Yes, it is always wise for an adult to counsel young boys and girls to ignore rules and violate laws. After all, her own brood offers us a prime example of well-raised, well-behaved and responsible children.

“I’m not sure whose values and what values and what beliefs they’re talking about, we were just going to Arizona to play basketball and our daughters were very disappointed to find out the trip had been canceled,” Michael Evans, a father of one of the players told Fox News…

Evans said he also failed to understand why the school allowed so many other trips, but not this one.

“The school has sent children to China, they’ve sent children to South America, they’ve sent children to the Czech Republic, but somehow Arizona is more unsafe for them than those places,” he said.

Which rules and laws have been violated, phony? Whoever is behind keeping these kids from going had better be fired, pronto. Playing politics with high school kids that have worked hard to accomplish something is way out of bounds. I heard Hannity will be having some of the family members on tonight, it will be interesting. Hannity also offered to pay for the trip, good for him.

It wouldn’t surprise me if obama the dicktator was behind this.

I am not sure how the Czech Republic got into that discussion. It seems far more enlightened than either China or Arizona. I can draw a distinction between the Chinese situation and the one in Arizona. Chinese human rights abuses are clearly much worse than such abuses in Arizona, even given Sheriff Joe. In fact, they are worse than human rights abuses even in Alabama. But, there are some cultural and legal norms which are very different. The trip to China could clearly inform and enlighten the young women. I’m not so sure an Arizona trip could do so. If I were a parent of one of these young women, I’m not sure what I would do.

If I were a school administrator, coach or parent of or for one of these young women who were Hispanic or Hispanic in appearance, I would be gravely, gravely concerned about her being stopped, questioned, harassed, detained or even scheduled for deportation. There could be serious safety concerns and serious liability concerns for the school. I think I would be a very poor parent if I were to let such a daughter go to Arizona.

Hannity also offered to pay for the trip, good for him.

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Yes, an adult aiding and abetting misbehavior, violation of established rules with the force of law by a child is always a good and positive thing.

Um, what human rights violations are you referring to in AZ, King?

If I were a school administrator, coach or parent of or for one of these young women who were Hispanic or Hispanic in appearance, I would be gravely, gravely concerned about her being stopped, questioned, harassed, detained or even scheduled for deportation. There could be serious safety concerns and serious liability concerns for the school. I think I would be a very poor parent if I were to let such a daughter go to Arizona.

Well, they would only have worry about that say if they stole a car while there. You know very well, that the question of citizenship can ONLY come up if they are arrested for something else. Stop trying to destort the law.

The China comparisons are idiotic. No one expects China to adhere to our values and beliefs, but we do expect that of each other. So we protest it to try and change it.

As for the girls, they should have been allowed to play if they wanted. This wont hurt Arizona, it will only harm the girls.

Also, how can anyone take this idiot seriously:
“Highland Park says ok 4 student trip 2 CHINA,but not r sister state-Arizona-bc they fear AZ’s”not aligned w/r beliefs&values” And CHINA is?”

Big_F-ing_Deal says:
May 13, 2010 at 4:09 pm
The China comparisons are idiotic. No one expects China to adhere to our values and beliefs, but we do expect that of each other. So we protest it to try and change it.

AZ is just following federal law BFD. Do you need another refresher course? BTW, a MAJORITY of americans agree with AZ, according to a poll released yesterday by PEW Get used to it!

@Big_F-ing_Deal are you saying she is an idiot for abbreviating the statement for it to fit into on Twitter post? Oh thats right, Obama says no technology for his followers! They are a distraction to his agenda. I am surprised your still allowed to use the internet, don’t let Daddy Obama find out!

AZ is just following federal law BFD. Do you need another refresher course? BTW, a MAJORITY of americans agree with AZ, according to a poll released yesterday by PEW Get used to it!

Progressive Thinking: But Republicansshudder started the AZ law. Therefore we have to hate the law, even if it mirrors Federal law.

Arizona has a long tradition of not enforcing labor laws, of police abuse and of racial profiling. Mind you, it’s no Alabama, but it can be very hostile. The self-promoting, loud mouth, cocky Sheriff Joe is constantly running afoul of civil rights guarantees, as you know.

Further, Michelle, I think we always have to recognize the liklihood that a law will be abused by those charged with enforcing it. Police misconduct is not usual, but neither is it atypical. I know that some of the police departments are even considering not allowing their officers to enforce the law, despite the mandates and penalties, for liability concerns. Far too much uncertainty.

That being said, I do have to admit that as a parent (with children now grown), I was more cautious than ordinary prudence might dictate. My children would not be going to Arizona on school or club trips.

“AZ is just following federal law BFD.”

Bullshit. The requirements are the same, the enforcements are different.

WHOA WHOA WHOA!!!

I thought Megyn Kelly was an “anchor” and not an “opinion journalist”. Isn’t FAUX “Fair and Balanced”?

Further, Michelle, I think we always have to recognize the liklihood that a law will be abused by those charged with enforcing it. Police misconduct is not usual, but neither is it atypical. I know that some of the police departments are even considering not allowing their officers to enforce the law, despite the mandates and penalties, for liability concerns. Far too much uncertainty.

So you want to punish people pre-emptively? Sounds like a great idea to me!

That being said, I do have to admit that as a parent (with children now grown), I was more cautious than ordinary prudence might dictate. My children would not be going to Arizona on school or club trips.

Then I feel bad for your kids, missing out on the experience. My son was selected to go to Wa DC last year and even though I disagree with Obama, I would never consider keeping him home because of that.

Don’t you libs get sick of being on the opposite side of the majority of Americans?

TRRK: ” I would be gravely, gravely concerned about her being stopped, questioned, harassed, detained or even scheduled for deportation”

That’s over the top even for you. Making that kind of statement proves one of two things, you are truly an imbecile or you are a liar making hysterical remarks.

Honestly, you’re kinda fun to argue with sometimes but this kind of thing just makes you sound like a flippin’ idiot.

“@Big_F-ing_Deal are you saying she is an idiot for abbreviating the statement for it to fit into on Twitter post?”

Exactly.

Twitter is for small talk, not Immigrant controversies or Oil Spill sympathies from someone who wants to be major voice in this country..
She is a moron.

Big_F-ing_Deal says:
May 13, 2010 at 4:24 pm
“AZ is just following federal law BFD.”

Bullshit. The requirements are the same, the enforcements are different.

How so?

Well, let’s begin with the TWO DIFFERENT VERSIONS.

First it was lawful contact and then they changed it to lawful contact or detention.

Which one exactly was the same as federal law?

First it was lawful contact and then they changed it to lawful stop or detention.

Fixed

@trrk
what you should of said is, i think i would be a very poor parent if i were to let such a daughter go to arizona, without proper identification.

BFD…lawful contact meant “being stopped for something’ or suspicion of a crime being committed. They had to clarify the language because race baiters and lefty’s can’t fricking read and comprehend, they generally need a written roadmap to find their own ass.

Haha, so true Tim!

itzmec says:
May 13, 2010 at 4:42 pm
@trrk
what you should of said is, i think i would be a very poor parent if i were to let such a daughter go to arizona, without proper identification.

What he’s really saying is “I’m saying really outrageous things that I probably would never really do, in an effort to demonize people with whom I disagree politically.

“BFD…lawful contact meant “being stopped for something’ or suspicion of a crime being committed. They had to clarify the language because race baiters and lefty’s can’t fricking read and comprehend, they generally need a written roadmap to find their own ass.”

Umm…we are not talking about what lawful contact means, we are talking about where in the “same” federal bill it says that.

Little help?

BFD, some citations please of the abuse of a law that does not become effective for another three months!!

Michelle, my children traveled as widely as any children, all through the US and Latin America, much of Europe, Russia, the Middle East, Africa, India, China, Japan, and they went on frequent school and personal trips. There were trips I would not permit for either safety or philosophical reasons. For example, a trip to Apartheid era South African and Allende era Chile was not allowed. My objections to Arizona are both safety-related and philosophical. I feel that they are prudent and socially responsible. I would want my children to be outraged by a law such as that which was passed, and I would vest them in the boycott experience. That, too is a learning experience. I remember my son wanted to see a film when he was 12. As we got to the theatre, a picket line had been set up by the projectionists’ union. I don’t cross picket lines. My son was, of course, disappointed, but to this day he talks about that.

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By the way, a bit unrleated: the City of Phoenix believes it may lose up to US $90 Million per year on convention business. I tend to think it will be less than half of that, but still, a serious, serious, self-inflicted wound. I am betting that the gutless legislators are all hoping this law is declared unConstitutional quickly. If not, I wouldn’t be surprised to see it quietly repealed.

timzank says:
May 13, 2010 at 4:43 pm

BFD…lawful contact meant “being stopped for something’ or suspicion of a crime being committed. They had to clarify the language because race baiters and lefty’s can’t fricking read and comprehend, they generally need a written roadmap to find their own ass.

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Actually in their punitive, ethnically-induced euphoria and pandering, the legislators drafted the law poorly. The change was what I think is a feeble and foolish attempt to stop it from being declared unConstitutional right out of the gate.

King,
I should have my son talk to you. He is on an all spanish (except for him and another boy) soccer team. One of the boys started saying the AZ law was bad. My son ask him point blank if he knew what it said and the boy responded that the police could pick you up for no reason. My son proceeded to tell him that isn’t true and that you have to be arrested for something else before finding out if you are here legally. He’s only 11 and understands what the law says. Why is it that you full grown libs can’t grasp it?

“BFD, some citations please of the abuse of a law that does not become effective for another three months!!”

So you too cant answer my question where in the “same” federal law it says lawful contact or stop?

Instead you want citations from me for something I didn’t even allege?

Go back in your hole, granny.

“and that you have to be arrested for something else before finding out if you are here legally.”

Ummm… you don’t have to be “arrested”.

It looks like your son is just as misinformed as you.

Like mother, like son. lol

Big_F-ing_Deal says:
May 13, 2010 at 5:13 pm
“and that you have to be arrested for something else before finding out if you are here legally.”

Ummm… you don’t have to be “arrested”.

It looks like your son is just as misinformed as you.

Like mother, like son. lol

It’s you who are mis-informed. If you can’t read the bill for yourself, let me know and I’ll have my 3 year old niece read it to you.

Big_F-ing_Deal says:
May 13, 2010 at 4:24 pm

“AZ is just following federal law BFD.”

Bullshit. The requirements are the same, the enforcements are different.

Citations please.

At first you just had to be stopped, but the libs cried racism so much that the Gov. changed it, so you morons could better understand it.

The bill also clarifies that law-enforcement officers shall inquire about the immigration status only of those they “stop, detain or arrest.” The earlier bill simply said “contact.” The change is designed to allay fears that officers would have to examine the papers of anyone they spoke to, including crime victims and witnesses.

“It’s you who are mis-informed. If you can’t read the bill for yourself, let me know and I’ll have my 3 year old niece read it to you.”

“So now, in response to those critics, lawmakers have removed “lawful contact” from the bill and replaced it with “lawful stop, detention or arrest.”

Now go teach your boy the truth.

My “boy” knows the truth. He’s better informed that you are. According to Obama, the police could just round you up when you were taking your kids out for ice cream. Those of us with a brain, knew that “contact” meant you were being stopped for something, but the Gov. had to change the language so you race-baiting, ignorant libs could understant it. Unfortunately, you seemed to be lacking more brain power than even the average lib, so you probably still don’t get it.

You said “arrested” Obviously people who are stopped for a tail light are not arrested so you are wrong.

Here is the chance now to show you are human michelle and admit you were wrong.
It wont be hard.

Don’t change the subject to Obama being wrong. Nice dodge. lol
Just say you misspoke and you meant “stopped OR arrested”. Because there is a BIG difference between the two.

The China comparison is legitimate. It doesn’t matter whether or not we “expect” someone to adhere to a set of so-called “values”. You either condone someone’s actions or you don’t. You can’t just look the other way because of what you expect or don’t expect. That is a ludicrous excuse.

When is this tournament? From what I understand the law doesn’t take effect until July. Since no one can be questioned about their citizenship unless he/she commits a crime, is the school suggesting that these students are going to commit crimes in AZ?

BTW, Superintendent George Fornero, one of those responsible for this stupid decision, is not a stranger to controversy. He was one of the school officials who tried to make “”Angels in America: A Gay Fantasia on National Themes” required reading at his school even though it violated state profanity laws.

Michelle, I’m not surprised in the least that your 11 yr old son is more intelligent than the phony queen and bigf’ndummie, combined. Kudos to you!

The Queen is still around?

I wish the phony queen would tell us which “established rules” would be in violation if these kids played in the tourney. Bf’ndummie?

Big_F-ing_Deal says:
May 13, 2010 at 4:24 pm

“AZ is just following federal law BFD.”

Bullshit. The requirements are the same, the enforcements are different.

Citations please.

Spanish kids? Is your 11 yr old on some kind of traveling European soccer team?

I was glad to hear Los Angeles is boycotting the racist sh*t state of Arizona.

P.S.
And speaking of sh*t states, I was not the least bit surprised that Alabama has a litmus test for elected officials that requires them to believe in creationism.

Thanks patsy!

Teabagger says:
May 13, 2010 at 5:59 pm
Spanish kids? Is your 11 yr old on some kind of traveling European soccer team?

You’re a moron. I meant hispanic and you know it.

Attorney General Eric H. Holder Jr., who has been critical of Arizona’s new immigration law, said Thursday he hasn’t yet read the law and is going by what he’s read in newspapers or seen on television.

Great, you get on that. I’m sure Obama hasn’t read it either, even though he’s trashed AZ for it.

You just called a group of Hispanic American kids “spanish”

I’m the moron or you just made an ignorant, dare I say rac… slip.

I hope you don’t talk that way in front of your child about his play friends.

Just image in Michelle Obama said that very same thing…

Would you have used her own words against her, or would have just blown it off because you knew what she really meant?

The King is worried about his kids going to Arizona? I didn’t know he was Hispanic. Again, the left has plenty of criticisms. Let’s hear them out. What are their solutions for stopping people from entering the country illegally?

BTW, King, this will be a shock to you, but the sixties are over. Your constant references to Alabama and spelling America with a ‘k’ are a bit dated.

Teabagger says:
May 13, 2010 at 6:54 pm
I hope you don’t talk that way in front of your child about his play friends.

I happen to get along great with his friends parents. I just happen to talk to one on the phone. He actually has 3 best friends; one is mexican, one is korean, and one of Indian decent and I get along great with them all. It’s actually a joke among the group of friends how diverse they are. Just because the libs on this board say I’m a racist, doesn’t actually make it so.

You called these brown skinned children “spanish.”

That woman is an idiot! And she’s the last person who should be giving advice to high school girls. Worry about your own children Granny!

The libs on this board consider you racist if you’ve ever used white out on a typo. Besides never offering any answers on what to do about people entering the country illegally, the left always forgets one thing. If someone from Mexico played by the rules, waded through all the red tape, and came here legally, isn’t it a slap in the face to them when others simply skip all that and sneak across the border? The whole concept of having immigration laws becomes a mockery.

Do you joke around with them that yours and another child are on an all Spanish team?

“Just because the libs on this board say I’m a racist, doesn’t actually make it so.”

I don’t think you’re racist, michelle.

libra blue and markfromhell are racist.

You are crazy.

Do you joke about how your white child set a spanish kid straight about the AZ immigration law?

“He actually has 3 best friends; one is mexican, one is korean, and one of Indian decent and I get along great with them all.”

I smell a sitcom!!

I fail to see your point teabagger. Are you now saying it’s racist to call someone spanish? If it is, I wasn’t aware.

BTW, his coach and family (5 play on the team) are from Spain. Doesn’t that make them SPANISH!!

Big_F-ing_Deal says:
May 13, 2010 at 8:01 pm
“He actually has 3 best friends; one is mexican, one is korean, and one of Indian decent and I get along great with them all.”

I smell a sitcom!!

It’s actually refreshing to be around them because they don’t think of themselves as all different. They don’t see things in terms of race, that is what you do. Oh the innocence of a child. Again smarter than you.

It’s true.

Minorities so so refreshing.

Like Diet Dr. Pepper!

“Minorities are so refreshing.”

fixed

They don’t see themselves as different but these 11 yr olds sure have a hoot joking around about how diverse they are.

MichelleF says:
May 13, 2010 at 8:01 pm

I fail to see your point teabagger. Are you now saying it’s racist to call someone spanish? If it is, I wasn’t aware.

So we have clarified the ignorant part.

MichelleF says:
May 13, 2010 at 8:02 pm

BTW, his coach and family (5 play on the team) are from Spain. Doesn’t that make them SPANISH!!”

So what is it? Did you mean to say Hispanic and I’m a moron for not knowing that or did you really intend to say spanish and you made that other part up to try to cover your ass?

According to the teabagger calling a Spanish kid Spanish is racist. Far left loon logic. Gotta love it!

If I call a Hispanic a Mexican does that make me a “racist?”

So there is 7 kids on the soccer team?

Or do the other brown skins get lumped in with the Spaniards because they can speak the same language?

Still waiting for the left’s solutions to keep people from entering the country illegally. They’ve covered that anyone concerned about it is racist, but I guess they’re still working on the rest. Or maybe just calling people racist is sufficient.

Olby Sucks says:
May 13, 2010 at 8:29 pm

If I call a Hispanic a Mexican does that make me a “racist?”

That makes you ignorant.

If the Hispanic is not of Mexican decent.

For the record, I have never called anyone on any thread of Mediaite “racist”

Teabagger says:
May 13, 2010 at 8:32 pm
So there is 7 kids on the soccer team?

Or do the other brown skins get lumped in with the Spaniards because they can speak the same language?

Gotta say, you are a complete moron. You and BFD and duke it out for the title of biggest moron. It’s a close one.

Name calling seems to be the number one out for the right wingers.

HAHA, ok BFD does have you beat in that category. He did call me a psycho b**ch.

So, Holder confirms that they state run media is doing his job? Unbelievable. I’m sure those folks in the media who have been trashing the AZ law haven’t read it either. What a sick and sorry state of affairs; trashing the law without ever having read it. Typical of today’s media. Facts are meaningless.

This is nothing more than crazy liberals imposing their political ideology on their students.
TERMINATE these kooks immediately!!!!!!!
They will let their students travel to China, but not to Arizona. How do you get out of the country without a passport? A passport will keep you from getting deported.
This is another liberal scam job.
WAKE UP YOU LIBERIAL FOOLS!!!!! I
Arizona has put this law in place because the Fed won’t secure our border and Americans have died because of it.
This is proof liberals are evil scum bags. Deport liberals with the scum that sneak across our boards and this would once again be a great country. Don’t tread on me!!!!
TREMINATE THOSE SCHOOL OFFICIALS NOW!!!!!
Seriously – A campaign most be started to terminate these kooks. If they are terminated it will prevent these freaks from imposing their crazy political ideology in the future

I say again:

Big_F-ing_Deal says:
May 13, 2010 at 4:24 pm

“AZ is just following federal law BFD.”

Bullshit. The requirements are the same, the enforcements are different.

Citations please.

These Politians are directly disregarding Federal law. We do not allow free access to our soil and services.

These immigrants must go through the proper channels.

Immigrants entering legally should be embraced.

All others should be deported. BOTTOM LINE!!!!

Grammie your just another idiot. I cant wait till Obama cuts your Medicare and see how you like it.

Top 10 biggest political Idiots:

1. Barry Obama – For Tripling the National Debt and his Marxist Agenda
2. Nancy Pelosi – For her part in destroying America’s healthcare
3. Harry Reid – For his part in destroying America’s healthcare
4. Eric Holder – For NY City Terror Trial and giving Miranda Rights to Muslim Extremists
5. Barney Franks – For his part in the banking collapse
6. Al Gore – For his Global Warming scam job on the stupid folks who believe this crap
7. Joe Biden – Because his morning bowel movement is smarter than he is
8. Jimmy Carter – For being the 2nd worst president of all time
9. Hilary Clinton – For losing to Commie Obammie
10. Barry Obama – Because he is so bad he makes the list twice

Teabagger, can you explain to me how I’m physically supposed to tell the difference between a Mexican and a Hispanic?

Libs Suck says:
May 13, 2010 at 9:33 pm
“Can you explain to me how I’m physically supposed to tell the difference between a Mexican and a Hispanic?”
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You don’t stupid. You pull some one over for running a red light and they give you a Mexican National Drivers Licence… then they need to take it further.

That is all the law allows you lying scumbag propaganda spreader.

Now, two of Mexico’s top soccer teams — Club America and Pachuca — have pulled out of an exhibition match scheduled for July 7 at the University of Phoenix Stadium:

Keep up the good work against the red states.

Cowboy, go fuck your farm animals.

AmericanCowboy says:
May 13, 2010 at 9:29 pm

…..Grammie your just another idiot. I cant wait till Obama cuts your Medicare and see how you like it.

What are you talking about and why?

Maybe Michelle’s son’s Spanish soccer team can play instead, FOX News.

What are you talking about and why?

Janet, you do realize you call yourself Grammie, don’t you?

Grammie says:
May 13, 2010 at 10:30 pm

What are you talking about and why?

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Did I missunderstand you?

It looks like you want to issue citations to illegals?

I say deport!!!!!

If you don’t enter legally you should never be allowed back in. You are a law breaker!!!!

Fox News haters: We proudly blow Teabaggers says:
May 13, 2010 at 10:00 pm

“Cowboy, go fuck your farm animals.”

LOL weak minded fool. Unable to logically discuss? Typical D-Bag LMAO

Why did I go wrong you moron?

I love the commie hatered. They are such fools…SUCK IT COMMIE LOVER!!!!!

“Why did I go wrong you moron?” should read Where did I go wrong?

Make your point bowling ball lol

Olby Sucks says:
May 13, 2010 at 9:33 pm

Teabagger, can you explain to me how I’m physically supposed to tell the difference between a Mexican and a Hispanic?”

I have no idea. I guess you’re going to have to ask an Arizona legislator or an AZ police officer that question. Apparently they are going to be specially trained to figure that out.

AmericanCowboy says:
May 13, 2010 at 10:42 pm

AC, you definitely need to brush up on your reading comprehension skills and tone yourself down a bit.

I challenged the Big F**ker (3 times) to provide citations for his claim that the enforcement of the AZ law 3 months before it becomes effective was abusive.

Yes, I am on SS and Medicare. Yes, I am stuck in the system and can’t go back to change my status. Yes, I think both need major overhauls b/c they are both ponzi schemes that are racing ever closer to collapse. I supported GWB’s attempt to fundamentally change the system to a market based individually owned system.

BTW, the possibility that BHO would pull the SS rug out from under me is the least of the worries I have about him.

I don’t like your attitude b/c it seems we agree politically one whit more than I do the same attitude from the lefty creeps here.

@Grammie, “AC, you definitely need to brush up on your reading comprehension skills and tone yourself down a bit.”

Anderson was totally clueless tonight during his panel discussion with Reyes and Arpaio. He really should read the AZ law and not just rely on what CNN puts up on the teleprompter. According to Cindy Adams, AC is using this new pit bull persona to try and raise his ratings, so he isn’t going to “tone down”, in fact, he will probably only get worse.

libra blue says:
May 13, 2010 at 11:40 pm

Libra, by AC I meant American Cowboy here and was responding to his specific comment to me.

However, AC on CNN could not have possibly been more clueless than Eric Holder today. Nobody could!

The Attorney General of the United States admits that a law that he has commented on publicly has not read the actual law, I wonder if POTUS has read it or did he just depend on his ignorant Ag for all his comments.

Where is the outpouring of rage? One would think that Mediaite would be all over this instead of their usual obsession with all things Palin and Beck.

I think she was talking to The Broke back Mountain Cowboy. (not that there’s anything wrong with that)

Teabagger says:
May 13, 2010 at 10:50 pm

I would say ask Eric Holder but that fool hasn’t even read the actual law. Why am I not surprised?

I don’t think Eric Holder is going to have the job for much longer. That guy needs to sit down, shut up, and do his job. Instead, it appears he is enjoying his time in the spot light in front of the TV cameras and reading his words in the newspapers.

So long Holder, you numbskull.

Sorry Grammie I skipped over some stuff.
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Teabagger says:
May 13, 2010 at 10:50 pm
Olby Sucks says:
May 13, 2010 at 9:33 pm

“Teabagger, can you explain to me how I’m physically supposed to tell the difference between a Mexican and a Hispanic?”

“I have no idea. I guess you’re going to have to ask an Arizona legislator or an AZ police officer that question. Apparently they are going to be specially trained to figure that out.”
________________________________________________________________________

Are you two both stupid or are you intentionally spreading around lies?

You can only ask someone for I.D. if they break the law. Then if the have I.D. they go on their way. They are not allowed to stop someone for looking mexican. That is written into the law.

If you pull out a Mexican National Drivers Licence… then you got some splaining to do.

I am for target practice on the border. If you see someone sneaking across the border (any of our borders) shoot them (regardless of race). Unfortunitly that did not get written into the law.

Those that come into the country legally should be welcome with open arms.

Liberials are morons!!!

The guy has to sit down, shut up and do its work. Instead, it seems he knows his time to light up before the television cameras and read his words in newspapers.
sumvision cyclone

BFD

Maybe this will help. Go look up “Alien Registration Act in 1940″ It’s standing Federal law that states a federal crime for illegals to fail to keep certain registration documents on their person. Also look up 4th Amendment to the constitution. AZ HB2162 kicks in AFTER a person’s 4th amendment rights, not before.

AZ HB2162 added the extra language for detention/arrest to make it another layer behind the 4th amendment, again not before. So federal rights (law) preceeds AZ HB2162. Since Alien registration Act (yes, a federal law) makes it illegal, HB2162 allows AZ law enforcement to turn over illiegal immigrants to ICE.

Or let’s try this. Would you agree that for decades AZ sheriff’s dept, police depts, and DPS have been turning over illegals to ICE? Same for many other states. Or would you think that for decades that not one illegal was turned over to ICE and then deported? Think it out. You’re not believing that no sheriff deputy or DPS officer for example has never ever turned over an single illegal to ICE do you? The Point?

AZ law enforcement has been turning over illegals to ICE using existing law for decades. You know that. So have many other states. How can they do this legal? Because it’s already existing Fereral law. It’s on the books. For decades. Think it out. That’s why for example a sheriff deputy or say DPS 2 weeks ago stopped a UHaul for traffic violation, found 67 illegals in the back and turned over to ICE. How did they do that before HB2162 becomes law? Because it’s already Federal law. ICE asks AZ residents daily for their documents to show citizenship. Has for decades.

AZ2162 just makes Alien Registration act and being in the country illegally binding as not only a federal crime, but now a state crime. Why? To trump sanctuary cities who mayors have ordered their police not to turn over illegals to ICE as well as elected sheriffs in AZ who refuse to call ICE. But I have a suspicion, you’re already aware of all of this. I’ll break t to you, Illegals have been turned over to ICE for decades by state law enforcement. Bithat congress if you don’t like existing immigration law.

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“Again, the left has plenty of criticisms. Let’s hear them out. What are their solutions for stopping people from entering the country illegally?”

Its not original, but I think it can work:
1.GO AFTER BUSINESS EMPLOYERS
2.strengthen our border
3.give selective amnesty to some illegals.

It pains me to do this, but here it goes:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,122297,00.html
“Many members of Congress, chiefly Democratic members, regarded the amnesty of these illegal aliens a sine qua non of any attempt to reform our immigration laws. Reagan recognized this, and, being the optimist that he was, saw something humane and profitable in affording this relatively small group of illegal aliens legal status.”

“In exchange for legal status for the group, Reagan insisted that the magnet attracting illegal aliens to the United States be removed by extinguishing any incentive for U.S. employers to hire illegal aliens. In tandem with the amnesty, Reagan campaigned for employer sanctions for hiring illegal aliens, sanctions so stringent that many at the time regarded them as draconian.”

OK, Im all on board with the ol’ Gipper on that.

Unfortunately,

http://www.nmass.org/nmass/breakthechains/breakthechains.html
“Signed into law by President Reagan, employer sanctions was supposedly enacted to protect jobs for U.S. citizens by punishing employers with a fine for “knowingly” hiring undocumented workers. Contrary to its name, however, few employers are actually “sanctioned” under the law. In 2004, for example, the government issued to employers a total of only three “notices of intent to fine.” The limited number of enforcement actions against employers since 1986 is no accident; there are strong political and economic interests that favor expanding the supply of cheap labor.”

“there are strong political and economic interests that favor expanding the supply of cheap labor.”

That would be Business, to whom the republicans are a wholly owned subsidiary of. Yes and democrats too.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,122297,00.html
“While Reagan’s 1986 immigration reforms (search) can at least be called rational, they were a failure. Today, there are between 8 million and 11 million illegal aliens in the United States. The majority of them crossed our southern border and has found employment — illegal employment, but employment nonetheless. This is attributed to Sen. Ted Kennedy’s eventual gutting of the enforcement mechanism for Reagan’s employer sanctions, and successive administrations refusing to give our Border Patrol the resources it needs to achieve its mission.”

I believe Reagan was being disingenuous with his proposal by trying to pander votes from his white republican base, while trying to convert hispanic voters,: ultimately trying to have his cake and eat it. After all, he was the one who said “hispanics are conservative, they just don’t know it yet.” lol,.

Considering how much Reagan sucked up to corporate interests, its not hard for me to believe that his employer sanctions were designed to fail,( apparently with the help of liberals) while giving us a distorted picture of the facts.

Its like Obama getting “tough” with healthcare insurance companies by throwing us all into the private sector, with very little actual reform.

Koolaid comes in 2 colors.

Funny how establishment rethuglicans talk a big game about immigration reform, but all we get is this:

http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=55640

and this

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/04/25/immigration.reform/index.html

” can you explain to me how I’m physically supposed to tell the difference between a Mexican and a Hispanic?”

ha ha,.physically, its a little challenging.

conceptually it goes like this

all mexicans are hispanic
but not all hispanics are mexican.

Hispanic refers to any culture that has been transformed by Spanish illegal immigrants/imperialists. Puerto Ricans,Cubans, Dominicans,etc.,..are all hispanic,.,.but call a Cuban a Puerto Rican or Mexican….your gonna have problems.

btw…Some in Mexico, like full blooded Mayans, would not be considered hispanic, because they never mixed with the conquistadors

Boycotting Arizonia is about standing up for what you believe! If palin wants to organize and go play in the place of the team from Illinois. Who is she to advise anybody the trashy, ignorant, bobble- head.

Who uses a word like “hoopsters” anymore? It’s not the 50′s anymore rather they like it or not. These “responsible” adults, Palin and Hannity are encouraging aiding in the delinquency of minors, telling them to break the rules. That’s not “traditionalist”, they’re telling them to defy adults, to defy their teachers. That would be refreshing in a weird sense if it weren’t so very, very hypocritical.

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