Absolutely!

gay.

you mean happy pat

WAR RULES!!!!!111

bomb the shit out of them

War from the Jordan Junction to the Khyber Pass… Is he speaking as a policy maker or trying to play Connect Four?

Only if we lower taxes first. Bombs are free.

Is it 2014 yet?

puck30 said:
Is it 2014 yet?

It won’t ever be 2014 if Republican start WW3.

This man is certifiably insane if he thinks we are capable of toppling any regime by bombing the hell out of them. I think we should use military force to neuter Mr. Graham. Oh, wait…

I should say Republicans except or Ron Paul, who has said this type of warmongering and talks of nuking Iran is the stupidest thing America can do.

“I’m tired of all this military-industrial fearmongering.”

Ron Paul is correct.

http://hotair.com/archives/2009/09/26/ron-paul-on-iranian-nuke-site-im-tired-of-all-this-military-industrial-fearmongering/

yeah because all we have to do is talk with the iranians, they wont hurt us with a nuclear warhead

cjd ohio 1 said:
yeah because all we have to do is talk with the iranians, they wont hurt us with a nuclear warhead

Because the Iranians, perhaps the earliest chess players in human history, are dumb enough to stumble into the ultimate check mate.

Greg said:
Because the Iranians, perhaps the earliest chess players in human history, are dumb enough to stumble into the ultimate check mate.

You are correct. Greg.

These Republicans never think it through. Why would Iran EVER nuke America first?

They know if they do, it would be the end of them.

They love their families in Iran too.

Tehran knows it will never be able to match the US in a nuke war.

It’s downright insulting for people like Graham to think that Iran would ever consider a strike first against us.

The only country recently who has attacked another country unprovoked is, you guessed it, America.

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a nuclear warhead (sorry got ahead of myself the last post)

and boom

greg and shoot i understand your reasoning, but some people dont play by the rules

Pakistan is threatening my borders.!!!!

That;s it buddy, no more military aid….

Nukem!!!!

Get them before they get you. New from Barker Brothers…..

Meanwhile in downtown Delta City last night.

Does anyone here really think this should happen? Who decided that the US can suddenly just go bomb the hell out of any country we want. It’s bizarre, it’s like.. why does the US get to break all the rules? The wars we started turned into a huge clusterf*ck… and now our economy is faltering.. why at this time are we going to put more resources into fighting?

If we are being imperialist, and trying to take over the Middle East, country by country, can’t we just be honest about it? We have Afghanistan, essentially, we have Iraq now, Israel is our ally, now we are also in Pakistan and planning to invade Iran. I’m sure we are in other surrounding countries as well.

Maybe we’re just taking over the middle east secretly?

Neuter Senator Lindsey Graham

shootfromthehip said:
You are correct. Greg.

These Republicans never think it through. Why would Iran EVER nuke America first?

They know if they do, it would be the end of them.

They love their families in Iran too.

Tehran knows it will never be able to match the US in a nuke war.

It’s downright insulting for people like Graham to think that Iran would ever consider a strike first against us.

The only country recently who has attacked another country unprovoked is, you guessed it, America.

Shoot,

Five days before the right couples their aggressive push for extending re-distribushionist taxation with further war… clear that the financial health of the country means nothing to them…

“So here’s one way to think about all this: like people bingeing on anything, the present Pentagon and military cast of characters can’t stop themselves. They really can’t. The thought that in Afghanistan or anywhere else they might have to go on a diet, as sooner or later they will, is deeply unnerving. Forever war is in their blood, so much so that they’re ready to face down the commander-in-chief, if necessary, to make it continue. This is really the definition of an addiction — not to victory, but to the state of war itself. Don’t expect them to discipline themselves. They won’t.” – Tom Engelhardt

My patience for these fools is failing…

cjd ohio 1 said:
greg and shoot i understand your reasoning, but some people dont play by the rules

Perhaps you don’t understand the game…

Big Ed can’t hide from me…

and perhaps there are no rules………. good try, personally i think if they could sneak a nuke in , and detonate it they would

cjd ohio 1 said:
and perhaps there are no rules………. good try, personally i think if they could sneak a nuke in , and detonate it they would

cjd,

Based on what? What is your argument for Iranian self destruction?

Pat Quinn said:
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if they thought they could get away with, terrorist, i dont know maybe put on a ship from yemen boom , blow it up with a suicide bomber when it hits port here in the US

Fear-mongering….hate-mongering….race-mongering….now war-mongering.

Is there any monger you Righty’s wont mong?

GBR, you are great alan grayson couldn’t do it better

2007 NIE Report says, “Tehran’s decision to halt its nuclear weapons program suggests it is less determined to develop nuclear weapons than we have been judging since 2005. Our assessment that the program probably was halted primarily in response to international pressure suggests Iran may be more vulnerable to influence on the issue than we judged previously.”

Yukiya Amano, head of the IAEA says “I don’t see any evidence in IAEA official documents about this,”

cjd ohio thinks says, “if they thought they could get away with, terrorist, i dont know maybe put on a ship from yemen boom , blow it up with a suicide bomber when it hits port here in the US”

Lets go to war!

shootfromthehip said:
It’s downright insulting for people like Graham to think that Iran would ever consider a strike first against us.

The only country recently who has attacked another country unprovoked is, you guessed it, America.

I just had a a discussion with a guy who says he and others believe the plan is for a military confrontation with Iran , possibly next summer, and maybe initiated by Israel, which will drag us in, and drive gas prices up again. Is Graham just talking , or is a foundation being laid? Wait and see folks.

All the Marys in Heaven, the Graham Cracker wants another war! We haven’t even started paying for the two wars the Republicans started during W’s reign.

CosmosDan said:
Is Graham just talking , or is a foundation being laid?

I’m guessing the more draconian option. He’ll gather the other two stooges, and they’ll go on the road again trying to foment war wherever they are.

Jon Martin said:
Does anyone here really think this should happen? Who decided that the US can suddenly just go bomb the hell out of any country we want. It’s bizarre, it’s like.. why does the US get to break all the rules? The wars we started turned into a huge clusterf*ck… and now our economy is faltering.. why at this time are we going to put more resources into fighting?

If we are being imperialist, and trying to take over the Middle East, country by country, can’t we just be honest about it? We have Afghanistan, essentially, we have Iraq now, Israel is our ally, now we are also in Pakistan and planning to invade Iran. I’m sure we are in other surrounding countries as well.

Maybe we’re just taking over the middle east secretly?

Which won’t happen. This is fucking insanity. Do you think these two long wars we’ve been fighting have promoted security or more hatred and suspicion? But what does it matter how much middle America is gutted as long as the big multinationals get to grow even richer and keep the peasants in line.

“The Administration’s Iran point man, Dennis Ross, has made clear in his writings on the matter that he believes Iran will back down only if it believes it faces a credible threat of military action. But there’s no legal basis for military action — all relevant U.N. resolutions have been carefully crafted to avoid giving the U.S. the loopholes used by the Bush Administration to claim legal authority for attacking Iraq — because most of those nations supporting sanctions remain resolutely opposed to military action. So threatening force could potentially break up whatever diplomatic consensus currently exists, and that would suit Iran.”

Read more: http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,2029201,00.html#ixzz14eTiAoZB

CosmosDan said:
Which won’t happen. This is fucking insanity. Do you think these two long wars we’ve been fighting have promoted security or more hatred and suspicion? But what does it matter how much middle America is gutted as long as the big multinationals get to grow even richer and keep the peasants in line.

We don’t have the money nor sufficient troop strength to fight against Iran. No scenes of tanks rushing across the desert, passing God in Heaven alone knows what, this time, folks.

No need for war. Let’s just send in some helicopters . . . oh, wait, forget about it.

American foreign policy right there.. any country who doesn’t wave the America is great cheerleading flags, any country doesn’t bend over for us, who doesn’t act like America’s personal bitch needs war brought against them.. This is just getting stupid, they don;t poise a direct threat to the US so why even talk about them

The right understands that their relative victory on Nov. 2 represents a weakening of Obama not only on the domestic stage but possibly on the international stage. By posturing recklessly they can interfere with his policy priorities and weaken him for 2012…

im not fear monging but ten years ago i never thought someone would fly planes into the world trade center, but dont think some nuts wont try something with a nuke

I am sadly bemused by right wingers who want to use all-out force on another country, with someone else’s kid. Where were you people when the military could use a “few good men”????

To those who never served, my question is why not? And what gives you the gall to want to endanger someone else so that you can live without fear?

We need the draft now more than ever. You can never count on one-half of the American citizenry who are so good at yelling attack, from their own armchair.

cjd ohio 1 said:
im not fear monging but ten years ago i never thought someone would fly planes into the world trade center, but dont think some nuts wont try something with a nuke

You’re not catching on cjd, they’ve already labeled you a racist, now you’ll be a “fear monger” and a “paranoiac” for remembering 911.

There’s no common sense or common ground with the Obama disciples here, you don’t toe their line, you are the devil incarnate.

alamo2 said:
Where were you people when the military could use a “few good men”????

Iraq . You ?

tws258 said:
Iraq . You ?

Vietnam, 1966 – 1967. I respect your serving your country, sir.

cjd ohio 1 said:
im not fear monging but ten years ago i never thought someone would fly planes into the world trade center, but dont think some nuts wont try something with a nuke

The same conjecture led to war quite recently, war that helped to lead this nation into dire financial straights.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/09/03/AR2010090302200.html

With the international community firmly engaged in restraining Iran from all sides…
http://www.un.org/News/Press/docs/2010/sc9948.doc.htm

Iran’s clearly strategic mindset (as opposed to suicidal) http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Central_Asia/LA08Ag01.html

The US can hardly afford to make the same mistake again…

i hate to say this, but i dont want to attack them now, but if something happens( smuggled nuke) we should bomb the shit out of them, no troops on the ground just carpet bomb the cities, i know that is harsh but collatal damage oh well, war sucks, but if we waged war in WW2 like we do now we would have lost. more civilians died in that war than soldiers.

tws258 said:
Iraq . You ?

Or… he should make an actual argument that waging war from Western Irag to Eastern Afghanistan is wise beyond vague hypotheticals… hypotheticals that have failed in the very recent past.

alamo2 said:
Vietnam, 1966 – 1967. I respect your serving your country, sir

I honor your service.

Sorry tws… that was for tim…

by the way im army 83-93 but if any of you are jarheads, happy birthday wednesday

Greg said:
Sorry tws… that was for tim…

n/p

tws258 said:
I honor your service.

Thank you. I may not always agree with another veteran’s viewpoint, but I always respect them, since they have served their country. Those in favor of war who deign to sacrifice for their country….. well, you know.

cjd ohio 1 said:
by the way im army 83-93 but if any of you are jarheads, happy birthday wednesday

Ooh-RAH ! Iraq 2005-2007

cjd ohio 1 said:
by the way im army 83-93 but if any of you are jarheads, happy birthday wednesday

Hey CDJ.

Thanks for your service.

My biggest problem with our media is that they portray Iran as some backwards-ass things a la Al Queda.

The truth is Tehran is a pretty secular place and they value human life.

They are not idiots and are not about to lobby one bomb even if they get one at the US.

They are not retards.

That’s like a 12-year-old boy throwing a rock at a 4000 armed soldiers. He would be killed in 2.1 seconds.

Even a child understands you don’t fuck with the strongest nuke arsenal in the world.

So my question is: why does Lindsey Graham want to shoot first at the 12-year-old and wound the boy (Iran) when that child has not done anything to America?

jarhead! damn lol

shootfromthehip said:
So my question is: why does Lindsey Graham want to shoot first at the 12-year-old and wound the boy (Iran) when that child has not done anything to America?

I think he is afraid of losing his senate seat for looking like a Republican moderate. Now he is backtracking, and trying to look hard-ass. At the expense of young men and women who serve their country, unlike the esteemed senator.

no need to thank me for my service, i love this country, you can pray to God , Allah, Aqua budda, no god, You can go to the tallest building and FU at the world. thats what makes use great we are a family and yes we fight among ourselves but thats great too.

and shoot, most iranians are most likely great people, its nut job governments that i dont trust

cjd ohio 1 said:
no need to thank me for my service, i love this country, you can pray to God , Allah, Aqua budda, no god, You can go to the tallest building and FU at the world. thats what makes use great we are a family and yes we fight among ourselves but thats great too.

Fantastic comment, my friend. I would have been glad to have served next to you, in Iraq or Vietnam or anywhere else.

Greg said:
2007 NIE Report says, “Tehran’s decision to halt its nuclear weapons program suggests it is less determined to develop nuclear weapons than we have been judging since 2005. Our assessment that the program probably was halted primarily in response to international pressure suggests Iran may be more vulnerable to influence on the issue than we judged previously.”

Yukiya Amano, head of the IAEA says “I don’t see any evidence in IAEA official documents about this,”

cjd ohio thinks says, “if they thought they could get away with, terrorist, i dont know maybe put on a ship from yemen boom , blow it up with a suicide bomber when it hits port here in the US”

Lets go to war!

You should get a load of this guy.

Earlier this week, the Iranian government presented a letter to the IAEA that made reference to a new enrichment facility, years after they had started its construction. The existence of this facility underscores Iran’s continuing unwillingness to meet its obligations under U.N. Security Council resolutions and IAEA requirements. We expect the IAEA to immediately investigate this disturbing information, and to report to the IAEA Board of Governors.

Now, Iran’s decision to build yet another nuclear facility without notifying the IAEA represents a direct challenge to the basic compact at the center of the non-proliferation regime. These rules are clear: All nations have the right to peaceful nuclear energy; those nations with nuclear weapons must move towards disarmament; those nations without nuclear weapons must forsake them. That compact has largely held for decades, keeping the world far safer and more secure. And that compact depends on all nations living up to their responsibilities.

This site deepens a growing concern that Iran is refusing to live up to those international responsibilities, including specifically revealing all nuclear-related activities. As the international community knows, this is not the first time that Iran has concealed information about its nuclear program. Iran has a right to peaceful nuclear power that meets the energy needs of its people. But the size and configuration of this facility is inconsistent with a peaceful program. Iran is breaking rules that all nations must follow — endangering the global non-proliferation regime, denying its own people access to the opportunity they deserve, and threatening the stability and security of the region and the world.

It is time for Iran to act immediately to restore the confidence of the international community by fulfilling its international obligations. We remain committed to serious, meaningful engagement with Iran to address the nuclear issue through the P5-plus-1 negotiations. Through this dialogue, we are committed to demonstrating that international law is not an empty promise; that obligations must be kept; and that treaties will be enforced.

That’s Barack Obama, September 2009. It turns out that 2007 NIE was, you know, wrong.

cjd ohio 1 said:
and shoot, most iranians are most likely great people, its nut job governments that i dont trust

HUA , and thanks !

cjd ohio 1 said:
and shoot, most iranians are most likely great people, its nut job governments that i dont trust

Good comment.

I think it’s about 70/30 in Iran between secular moderate forces that want to move the country forward and then there are the nutjob religious freaks that want to keep the country back in the stone age.

The best way America can solve this is though CIA type inside jobs behind the scenes pushing the old mullahs out and NOT via war, where Iranian civilians might have to die and us forces may have to die, too.

No one wants that.

shootfromthehip said:
The best way America can solve this is though CIA type inside jobs behind the scenes pushing the old mullahs out and NOT via war, where Iranian civilians might have to die and us forces may have to die, too.

No one wants that.

How do you think the Iranian regime feels about that? How about their proxy Hezbollah?

TRR is afraid of another war when it is Iran that is fomenting the continuance of two wars on each of its east & west borders already. Maybe taking out the warmaker is the best way to stop Hizbollah from taking over Lebanon, an under-the-radar operation unnoticed by myopic Obama & his foreign policy challenged Veep, who was Senate Foreign Relations Cte Chair for years, but said “Lebanon has been cleansed of Hizbollah and Syria.”

Biden is a dunce. Obama isn’t much smarter. And for once, Graham is right. Hope he changes on Grahamnesty too!

Pablo said:
How do you think the Iranian regime feels about that? How about their proxy Hezbollah?

well, genius, the general idea of a covert op run by the CIA is that they don’t KNOW about it because it’s done under the radar and in secret.

“2007 NIE Report says, “Tehran’s decision to halt its nuclear weapons program suggests it is less determined to develop nuclear weapons than we have been judging since 2005. Our assessment that the program probably was halted primarily in response to international pressure suggests Iran may be more vulnerable to influence on the issue than we judged previously.”

Six months after this NIE report, it was shown to be the product of three US intelligence senior officials who have a distinct bias toward the Demonrat pacifist policy—-the report was shown to be totally offbase and Iran is proceding in directions to develop a nuclear weapon, as now even the IAEA admits. El Baradei got the Nobel Peace Prize for assisting Iran in its quest for a nuclear weapon—-the most ironic “Peace” Prize ever, with the possible exception of the one given to As Sayid Intifada, Yassir Arafat.

I suppose having the opposition party, one that could take control of the WH in 2012, talking about bombing Iran will have a good effect on Obama’s plans for a negotiated middle east peace plan. Its the good guy/bad guy routine.

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I wish I did not know what I know about war, but if anything redeemable has come from my experience, it is this:

War is hateful and to be avoided for so long as it is possible to arrive at peace through peaceful means. However, sometimes war is unavoidable, and when war must be waged, it must always be prosecuted in a manner most expeditious–to achieve total and unconditional victory while inflicting the least number of casualties, and within the least possible time. Humans quickly grow weary of war–it is a natural inclination of the human psyche, and this is why Sun Tzu was correct in his treatise on the subject.

With the rise to power of Ahmadinejad, the peace loving peoples of the world have realized we are dealing with a viper, and vipers are not to be trifled with; either they must have their fangs removed or they must be readily dispatched. It is foolish to think one can reason with a viper, and it is more foolish to think the viper can engage in anything resembling reason or just consideration.

For the longest time, I have realized there would come a day when Ahmadinejad could no longer be contained and now the rest of the world seems to have learned that the viper would surely grow to be able to strike out beyond his borders. It is, therefore, time to dispatch the viper, but unless he is vanquished in no uncertain terms, be prepared to feel the sting of his fangs. There are no other alternatives.

pyrope said:
I wish I did not know what I know about war, but if anything redeemable has come from my experience, it is this:

I think you know more than you’re telling.

“My view of military force would be not to just neutralize their nuclear program…but to sink their Navy, destroy their Air Force, and deliver a decisive blow to their Revolutionary Guard.

In other words, kill as many of their males as possible as these groups are mostly made up of males. Even though I am a male, I have no problem with that because it is males who do most of the violence. Get rid of a lot of the males in these nations that are so agressive, we can stop the agrression but we do not want to lose too many of our males doing it. I do think that in event of wars, we should keep women and children safe and perhaps have a U N treaty that would keep them safe and allow only for males to do anything in which it could be deadly. I do think only males should be killed in combat if anyone is.