Dear Mr. Abrams, I believe you have all the best intentions in the world and you are exactly right: “one of the most important moments in American history as it aired, in real time, seems to be exactly what cable news can and should do best.” My only question to you is how could you have let MSNBC become the (since you used the word) most “internecine,” noxious, and destructive (all synonyms of internecine) cable news channel there is? Forget FOX or CNN or anything else, why has MSNBC devolved to what it has become?

Dan, I’ll get right to the point. In an age of a desensitized nation, from the all too well known infoblast people are deluged with, think, sipping water from a firehose..a reminder, like the Neda video in Iran, galvanized people to DO something..9/11 was also being used to Galvanize progressives as cut-n-runners or villians for somehow forgetting 9/11 and not focusing on Iraq and Alkayda(sic).

I appreciate you re-running it, and reminding people, we took the eye off the REAL reason we are spending american lives in and on foreign soil, for a reason. Albeit, in this persons opinion, the wrong reason for far too long… I’d like to see us get the job done, bring our heroes home as the soldiers they have been. Can you even imagine being signed up as a “weekend warrior” to serve as a National Guardsman once a month and ending up in a full blown shooting war and thanks to politics and “stop-loss” measures you are now Regular Army and on your 4th or 5th tour? It’s incomprehensible.

Let’s get defined objectives laid out, meet them, bring them home, end this. 9/11 is your galvinization agent in an apathetic, desensitized nation. Period.

@rickypedia

Thank you, Dan for choosing to replay the coverage four years ago. You made the right choice and I’m happy that MSNBC is continuing to show it yearly. It is so horrible to see, but necessary so we will never forget.

I think the airing of that footage should be daily viewing for almost all the “newspeople” and “opinion hosts” on MSNBC. They are the ones who forget all the time. Not the American people. When they are attacking Dick Cheney and President Bush on a daily basis (they need to re-watch those tapes). When they whine about Gitmo (they need to re-watch those tapes). When they demand CIA agents doing their job should be prosecuted (they should re-watch those tapes).

MSNBC still has a 9/10 mentality to this day! And their poor ratings reflect that.

Dan:
First off, I should make it clear that I disagree with so much MSNBC has become — but at the same time I am glad it exists to keep others on their toes.
As one who lost some friends that awful day, I can only imagine how hard this decision was for you to make. And thankfully, MSNBC has continued to make that same tough call since your exit.
And although it remains impossible for me to watch such vivid reminders of that awful day, MSNBC continues to provide a great public service by keeping the memory fresh for those who may have tended to forget.
I have recorded it for the day when I realize I, too, am beginning to forget.
Thanks again.

Dan, there will always be critics.

Porn usually has some kind of advertising. The MSNBC re-broadcast contained no advertising and therefore no specific profit motive. Thus, circuitously, the re-broadcast is not porn. At least not professional stuff anyway.

If I’m being completely honest, Mr. Abrams, I don’t know how I feel about it…but from what I understand about you and the way you do your job, you must have put a tremendous amount of thought and care into the decision–not an easy call, indeed–and I thank you for that.

ChickaBOOMer: As MSNBC GM Dan Abrams Chose Not To Muzzle Olbermann
http://chickaboomer.blogspot.com/2009/09/as-msnbc-gm-dan-abrams-chose-not-to.html

Mr Abrams,
The yearly re-broadcast of 9/11 as you originally decided to air, is an outstanding historical tribute to all who were involved on that horrible day. No commercials, no commentary. Just raw footage as it happened on 9/11.
9/11 was our modern day “Pearl Harbor”. Thanks for your wise decision, as all Americans benefit from that broadcast as a true history lesson and poweful reminder of how precious life is.

I watched it all unfold on Today show, and was glued to Today and MSNBC all day, heck, all week. I watch the re-broadcasts, and I feel like I am watching it live, all over again. I also get this weird sense of family or something, knowing that we all watched it unfold, live, together.

I think it’s important to remember, and relive that day.
Especially after the month we’ve just had.

I have watched the replay every year and am watching it right now. I am still horrified and find myself becoming very emotional while watching it, but I think it’s important. I also understand why people would not want to watch. I’m glad, though, that MSNBC has made it available each year.

I’ve watched it in the past. Im watching it now. I dont think we should let the visuals die. Not that we need it looped 24/7 but one day a year is appropriate IMO.

Our fellow citizens went to work that clear day , not imagining they were about to be vaporized by monsters . 800 children were made orphans that Tuesday morning . Most who saw the day unfold will remember it till the end of their lives . There’s nothing wrong with a reminder each year to honor the victims , their families , and our troops , who are keeping us safe .

I’m confused… didn’t Olbermann claim (at the Republican convention) that using 9/11 footage was vial and should never be used by a political organization (such as MSNBC)?

These are just giant crocodile tears from the media who is never anything but cheerleaders for war and death. The real sad part is how people are advising to watch this in order to somehow motivate us to support death and war elsewhere. Honor our troops who are keeping us safe? Bush’s intelligence reports predicted and confirmed that the wars have increased the rate of terrorism against Americans all around the world. “Honor” the 9/11 victims by opposing war, not by meaningless flag waving and slogan chanting, This is Sept 11, not the Reichstag fire.

With all the revisionist history, it is fitting that this be broadcast each year and people be reminded of the evil that still exists today.

tigerarmy said:
Bush’s intelligence reports predicted and confirmed that the wars have increased the rate of terrorism against Americans all around the world.

Yes, the wars started in 2001 and 2003 caused the attacks on America that occurred in 1993, 1998, etc.

Nice revisionist history from another “Blame America First” member.

God bless our country, and the families who still grieve. Also, may God bring his blessings to people who aren’t already as blessed as we are for living in a developed country. Our only hope for the future in our globalized world is to bring education to those who most need it and want it.

Dan,

I’m watching the replay right now and it still brings on chills. It’s really a good idea to show this every year, not only for us to remember, but also for us to understand.

Notsofast,

False. They were “caused” by what Eisenhower’s intelligence called a “campaign of terror and hatred against us,” born of the “perception that the US supports democracy only when it is in its own interest to do so,” otherwise, it supports tyrannical dictators. This is at least 60 years old, and documented, the US has been deeply involved in ver harmful ways in the Middle East since much earlier than 1993, look it up and educate yourself.

tigerarmy said:
Notsofast,

False. They were “caused” by what Eisenhower’s intelligence called a “campaign of terror and hatred against us,” born of the “perception that the US supports democracy only when it is in its own interest to do so,” otherwise, it supports tyrannical dictators. This is at least 60 years old, and documented, the US has been deeply involved in ver harmful ways in the Middle East since much earlier than 1993, look it up and educate yourself.

Sorry, libby! Stop blaming America for the attacks on it.

OBL siad he wanted to attack the USA because it was in Saudi Arabia for the Gulf war. Guess who asked the USA into Saudi Arabia?Saudi Arabia.

Try again with a true history and not your lib talking points.

From a journalistic perspective this shows why these elite MSM types got there jobs.No wild speculation or screaming or waving the bloody shirt.Just solid,sober and comprehensive as you can get in real time reporting.And Tom Brokaw saying how a small group of terrorists could shut down America’s air travel system and bring a powerful nation to a halt and that our security will change forever and getting real experts on who said Bin Laden was surely involved is why these guys are good.And on 9-12 the rightwing media quickly tried to pin the blame on Bill Clinton.Go figure.

Notsofast,

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1567510523/ref%3Dnosim/representativ-20

Are you denying the existence of the report? And the fact that countless goverment officials right through Bush have affirmed it? You can throw a tantrum, call it liberal or whatever you want, but it doesn’t change the facts.

An Arab Christian said recently, that there is no such thing as a ‘moderate’ muslim. According to this Christian, islam and sharia law must be accepted as a package deal; if not, no one can call himself/herself a true muslim. I believe this person speaks the truth. Also, a CNN poll, several years ago, revealed that although many muslim-americans said they would never commit acts of terrorism, personally, they fully understand the rationale behind acts of terrorism, committed by muslims. Imo, more Arab Christians need to speak out and educate non-muslims. Americans cannot afford to be blinded by all the political correctness, coming from an uninformed media and uninformed bleeding heart liberals. Pay attention to [actions], not words.

newzmaker you have just been voted in to the “Dumbshit Hall of Fame”.This Arab Christian knows the inner workings of 1.2 Billion Muslims?Yeah and I a liberal Christian knows the “rationale” is western nations getting too much influence in Arab nations and the Bin Laden types want it stopped and with no military they are gonna resort to terrorism.Smart people know that you don’t.

chucken said:
newzmaker you have just been voted in to the “Dumbshit Hall of Fame”.This Arab Christian knows the inner workings of 1.2 Billion Muslims?Yeah and I a liberal Christian knows the “rationale” is western nations getting too much influence in Arab nations and the Bin Laden types want it stopped and with no military they are gonna resort to terrorism.Smart people know that you don’t.

Dumbass liberal.

nice retort newzmaker,well thought out.Like most Christians most Muslims do not share exactly the same beliefs.Like the wingnuts claim that the builder of the ground zero Mosque wants to institute sharia law for all of America.Please follow these easy steps1.Pull Head. 2.Out of Ass.

I watched the re-aired coverage this morning and the emotions it brought back from that day were just as powerful this morning as they were nine years ago. Back then I was 2 months pregnant and today I have an amazing 8 year old son who is the love of my life. I thought this morning when do I explain 9/11 to him and how will I ever do it? I still don’t know if I will ever be able to convey to him the magnitude of what happened that day. As time passes, I think people forget what that day was like as it unfolded. Watching the re-aired coverage for me helps me remember that we should never forget the people who were murdered on that day and the circumstances of how brutally it was done. I long for a pre 9/11 existence and the innocence of life and sense of security and for my son he will never know what that was like.

chucken said:
And on 9-12 the rightwing media quickly tried to pin the blame on Bill Clinton.Go figure.

I was in complete agreement with you and then you HAD to add a dig in at the “right wing”.

Lisa said:
I long for a pre 9/11 existence and the innocence of life and sense of security and for my son he will never know what that was like.

Lisa, I do as well, but I fear that time is forever gone.

Newsjunky said:
I have watched the replay every year and am watching it right now. I am still horrified and find myself becoming very emotional while watching it, but I think it’s important. I also understand why people would not want to watch. I’m glad, though, that MSNBC has made it available each year.

News, good post, I agree with you.

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WE WILL NEVER FORGET 09/11/01

“It’s powerful and disturbing because it’s so real. Simply put, there is no way to sanitize that day, and to do so would be a disservice.”

Every time I see the footage of that day it feels like yesterday. No matter how many times you watch it, it is still difficult to believe it happened. However, I can’t even begin to imagine what the families go through every September 11.

In the past, you may have been accused of capitalizing on grief, but today you would be accused of stirring up hate against the Muslim community. Today the MSM will do their duty and honor America and the victims and families that suffered on September 11, 2001, but tomorrow it will go back to defending the religion that spawned this group of terrorists and who continue to refuse to outwardly condemn the vicious crimes that their brother terrorists continue to commit on a regular basis worldwide.

There is no way to “sanitize” this day, but many in the MSM and members of our own government have done their damnedest to try and do just that by placing the blame on America and attempting to excuse or justify the actions of the terrorists.

Sitting here listening to the names of the victims being read, I can’t help but wonder how long it will be before Muslim leaders attempt to hold America hostage again by threatening possible violence if we continue to do so. Whose side will the MSM take then?

It is not how you act on Sept.11, that counts, it is how you honor the victims the rest of the year. Those, whose actions were responsible for uniting us together as Americans on Sept.11, 2001, are now responsible for dividing us on Sept. 11, 2010. Unfortunately, this time it is with our consent.

Many thanks for airing the fateful events of 9/11. It’s always good to be reminded of one of the worst days of my life that I experienced first hand.I do find it puzzling that while we mourn the innocent victims of 9/11 we really don’t seem to be shedding too many tears for the hundreds of thousands of equally innocent victims of Bush’s subsequent and useless invasion of Iraq as well as the needless slaughter and maiming of some of America’s finest young people. 9/11 did give Bush the excuse to start a war that will go down as the biggest blunder we’ve ever committed. I know the super patriots on this blog will call me an America hater which is just rank bs. Many of you knownothings are phoney nationalist, bigoted fools who can’t accept any criticism or make the necessary connections of why America is in such a mess. You’re in a very advanced state of denial. It’s ridiclous to blame it all on Obama and the liberals. Most of the progress in our wonderful country has been made by progressive liberal types starting with most of the founding fathers with a direct line to Lincoln and FDR. It’s time to get real instead of so slavishly sucking up to Beck, Limbaugh and Palin who are nothing more than pathetic tools of a small number of craven billionaires like Murdoch and the Koch brothers.

ganymede says:

It’s ridiclous to blame it all on Obama and the liberals

Yet you think it makes perfect sense to ‘blame it all’ on Republicans and conservatives.

Oh- and Lincoln was Republican. The first, by the way.
Get a clue.

tigerarmy said:
Notsofast,

http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/1567510523/ref%3Dnosim/representativ-20

Are you denying the existence of the report? And the fact that countless goverment officials right through Bush have affirmed it? You can throw a tantrum, call it liberal or whatever you want, but it doesn’t change the facts.

That’s ONE person’s view. You are joking right?

Have ya read the conspiracy that killed RFK and how the US government was behind 9/11?

LOL

Oh, and this about your author William Blum:

In 1969, he wrote and published an exposé of the CIA in which was revealed the names and addresses of more than 200 employees of the Agency.

Great American ,Blum.

Oh, and this.

“In January 2006, Osama bin Laden released an audio tape threatening the U.S. and quoting William Blum while recommending that Americans read Blum’s Rogue State: A Guide to the World’s Only Superpower. ”

You like most libs keep great friends!

“Some have called it gruesome or ghoulish, even referring to it as “death porn“. Maybe so, but it also really happened.”

Pearl Harbor really happened as well. We don’t read off the names every year of almost 2500 that were killed that day. I would prefer just have a national “Twin Towers Day”, or a “911 Day”, like our “Pearl Harbor Day”. We’re past the point of mourning, and into the phase of worshiping this day.

Let me just lay the truth out there, regardless of you’re emotional inability too accept it. Please try to drop the instant emotions and consider what I’m writing. Otherwise, just hit the thumbs down button and continue living in ignorance. I was a Bush cheerleader and pro-war advocate but I’ve awoken to what it means to be GENUINELY CONSERVATIVE.

9-11 was the culmination of years of an overactive and interventionist foreign policy which motivates poor people to kill themselves in order to send a message. What’s the message? They want us to stop interfering in their affairs and most importantly – stop killing their people. Are you saying we should let the terrorists control our foreign policy? No.

I’m not saying we should change our foreign policy solely because they attacked us. I’m saying we should change it because it’s too expensive, unsustainable, not worth it and not what we’re supposed to be doing as a constitutional republic. It’s. That. Simple.

Terrorism is a symptom of our faulty foreign policy, so it seems stupid to declare a war on our own foreign policy, when it’d be easier to just change it.

notsofast said:
Oh, and this about your author William Blum:

In 1969, he wrote and published an exposé of the CIA in which was revealed the names and addresses of more than 200 employees of the Agency.

Great American ,Blum.

Oh, and this.

“In January 2006, Osama bin Laden released an audio tape threatening the U.S. and quoting William Blum while recommending that Americans read Blum’s Rogue State: A Guide to the World’s Only Superpower. ”

You like most libs keep great friends!

How can you, in a free country have a CIA? Secret government agencies goes against everything this country was founded upon.

I am truly thankful for this re-airing. The actual 9/11 was a host of emotions, distractions and worries, and I never really experienced the continuity of the events. I remember hearing the news, having difficulty getting on line, rushing out to buy a television for the office, then praying for the victims, their familes, the perpetrators, their families, the first responders, their familes and our nation; then remembering W and Dick were in office, being (mis-) advised by Donnie and Condi and worrying that we would do something incredibly stupid, as we did; having a deep sense of loss that America would never be the same again. Today, helped put everything in a much clearer perspective, and how thankful I am to MSNBC. While FOX, which certainly failed to ever adeuqately cover the event as it was unfolding, give us the ever self-serving and deplorable Rudy!, MSNBC gave us history as it unfolded. This was a great thing.

What’s the big deal? Accidents happen all the time and the news media doesn’t rerun those every year? Should we start showing car crashes over and over again, too?

The only reason the media outlets rerun the 9/11 stuff is to continue to push the right-wing propaganda and fear mongering so people get numb to more war and invasions. More war means more money for defence corporations means more money for the Republican party.

“digitalIn3rd The only reason the media outlets rerun the 9/11 stuff is to continue to push the right-wing propaganda”

If MSNBC does that then you must live in opposite world…

I think we should not only show the events of 911 every year but also the footage of the Palestinians dancing in the streets when they heard the news.

“I knew people would watch the replay, but when dealing with 9/11 we all knew the decision could not and would not be one based on ratings. The question had to be, is it the right thing to do?

Some have called it gruesome or ghoulish, even referring to it as “death porn“.”

I agree that it is the right thing to do, but who are you kidding??? You know your ratings double every time you air this, which means you have over 300 viewers on 9/11 (including staff who are required to watch, it’s in their contracts) watching for the entire day. Come on Dan, if you’d just be honest w/your viewers (former veiwers…see Dan it’s not YOU people hate it’s just the format you laid out for pmsnbc, but now look at all the material you have you evil bastard genius) maybe more would watch.

Again it is the right thing to do no matter the motivations. God bless all the victims, their families, the first responder HEROES and their families, and mostly may God continue to bless with divine providence our country that is AMERICA…

Jones said:
ganymede says: It’s ridiclous to blame it all on Obama and the liberals Yet you think it makes perfect sense to ‘blame it all’ on Republicans and conservatives. Oh- and Lincoln was Republican. The first, by the way.Get a clue.

Who’s view-point was totally opposite of FDR’s socialist utopia. I second you getting a clue…

“If MSNBC does that then you must live in opposite world…”

Right, because two hours of Olbermann and Maddow makes MSNBC left-wing. /rolleyes

When a network has Scarborough, Matthews, Ratigan, Chuck Todd, David Gregory and all the other far-right commentators, they’re anything but a liberal haven.

MSNBC is hardly any better than Faux.. but I see Mediaite is filled with right-wingers so I don’t expect any posters to realize that.

Nostfast,

http://www.chomsky.info/interviews/20020126.htm

Check the sources, the unclassified internal documents are readily available. You have not refuted the claim of the report, nor their conclusion, you’re just engaging in vulgar character acts and ad hominem insults. Read the public record, and form your own conclusions, maybe it’s wrong, but you can’t just scream “liberal, ” or “anti-american” and pretend that it didn’t happen.

“In January 2006, Osama bin Laden released an audio tape threatening the U.S. and quoting William Blum while recommending that Americans read Blum’s Rogue State: A Guide to the World’s Only Superpower. ”

Nice use of the guilt by association fallacy.

Hitler heavily promoted Germans owning good reliable cars? Volkswagen – the people’s car. So if I drive a Volkswagen, does that make me a Nazi?

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The so-called “Prophet of Peace” who the Qur’an (Koran) commanded to fight 26 battles, and who planned no less than 86 expeditions against innocent people (only the battle of the Ditch was defensive) was no more. He gave no prophecies and performed no miracles. Within a century after Muhammad’s death, Muslim armies had reached as far as India in the east and Spain in the west. They gave two choices to the people they encountered;
either convert to Islam or die.
What don’t you get?

digitaln3rd said:
What’s the big deal? Accidents happen all the time and the news media doesn’t rerun those every year? Should we start showing car crashes over and over again, too? The only reason the media outlets rerun the 9/11 stuff is to continue to push the right-wing propaganda and fear mongering so people get numb to more war and invasions. More war means more money for defence corporations means more money for the Republican party.

ugh !

I actually was glad they re aired it, because I got a sense of the timeline on what event took place when.  

Airing the 9/11 coverage is fine in my eyes.  Airing Rachel Maddow and a full expose on the alleged ’torture’ with Abu Gharib today is what was ghastly.

On 9/11? Really?

Pathetic.  Just confirmed why I don’t bother to watch MSNBC anymore.

What you’re talking about is Chrislam, an abomination of both religions. Our secular society has tried to eliminate religion all together and make people worship the state and sing their hymms about the state. Just remember that tomorrow when you turn on the radio and hear all the patriotic tunes.

We have a true alumni here at Mediaite!!

The “alleged torture” with Abu Ghraib? Oh my. You probably think George Bush was a war hero despite the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, the two longest, most poorly managed wars in American history. You definitely watch way too much Fox News. You would only get that perspective of “alleged torture” from Fox News which is nothing but lies and propaganda to promote the Republican Party and its leaders.

The history of the US in the Middle East is a long and complacated issue that really heated up after WWII , the Cold War, US support of Irsael., and many other issues.  It is so far from black and white.  Saying Saudia Arabia asked us to be there so that is that is a first graders response and so not a reflection of true history as you claim.  No one says America deserved to be attacked, but one must also understand that America is not perfect.  Remember before Iraq invaded Kuwait, the US wanted them to be a close ally in region.  I really wish people wouldnot say libby blame America.  That is like saying conservatives are all racist and want war.  You cannot keep your head in the sand and think our foreign policy is perfect and everyone around the world should love it and deal with it while doing everything we say. Your responce actually shows your complete lack of understanding of the issues….and btw your saying liberals blame America, dont know true history are actually the talking points of the far right like Beck and Hannity.   You will be less of a hypocrite and understand more of the world if you take time to understand the world, think for yourself and not just take the “everything I do is correct” approach.  It doesnot matter if your liberal or conservative just donot be screaming child

If any of these networks – msnbc or fox or cnbc or whatever – had any guts, they would rerun the footage of the reaction to the attacks in the Arab world – the cheering mobs. the ululating skanks…maybe remind Americans just what the peace-loving Islamic world felt on that day.

It’s kind of curious why this is totally left out of our national grief-fest.

Christians telling Muslims how to live thier lives is not really a way to end religious and political disagreements.  That will only cause more hatred.  Christians need to stop thinking they can or need to correct Islam. Muslim leaders really need to speak up more against Islamic radicals but saying there are no moderate Muslims is like saying there is no moderate Christians.  “Uninformed bleeding heart liberals” often are to PC but they understand that only a fool thinks a whole religion is wrong or evil due to its fringe radicals.  The KKK, Westbro Baptists do not reflect their religions as a whole, so why would one think terrorists reflect Islam as a whole? 

YES!  And I’m still waiting for a network – ANY network – to show the satellite images of the entire Arab world doing the wave in response to the attacks.

We know what the real deal is…

Best Dan Abrams line on the 911 terrorists: They were eating our COOKIES! 

Really?  That is a very bitter world view you have of life.  The GOP is not pushing war for profit.  I disagree with most of what the GOP does but at the same time if you honestly believe that you really need to rethink things.  There is noone spying on you and trying to read your thoughts so you can take off your tin foil hat. You sound like Hannity and Beck but only from a liberal point of view.  You make us all look bad

Guess you have not learned a thing since the 2001 attacks! I forgot! The job thinking our Gov lies to us is already taken by you teaparty patriots!

It’s hard to ignore 9/11 this year.  10th year anniversary.  Opening weekend of the NFL.  Clinton/Bush open up the United 93 Memorial.    Unveiling of the highly anticipated Ground Zero memorial with the president using 9/11 to bring jobs back into this country long enough to get re-elected.  I think a big complaint people have is that 9/11 is a lot about show now days. 

 Rosey everything Dan prints is based on what the media is doing.  I wouldn’t get so mad at him.  9/11 is really for ratings.  You could get everyone to watch if you hype up a tragic moment with countless deaths.  Sex and violence but if you don’t have sex, make up for it with a lot more violence. 

Why would you push war if not for profit?  If there is no profit, that makes war into a “Ponzi scheme”.

At least this weekend MSNBC isn’t running more kiddie porn murders or whatever crap they air usually.  Don’t know which is worse.

I think that it’s awesome that a decade later you are finally getting a handle on what happened and when on 9/11.  Good work !

I like the part where journalists who told me all day about how they felt tell me how they felt 10 years later.  Matt Laurer said after the 2nd terrorist attack, “I think we just had a terrorist attack.”  How astute of Laurer.  Until that point I was under the impression that there were 2 coincidental aviation incidents. 10 years later, he could retrospect on how he feels.  What about how I felt that day?  No one ever asks me how I felt that day.  Why should I care how Matt Laurer felt that day if he never asked me how I felt that day?

Staci, could I ask you a question?  How did you feel on 9/11?  I’ll open up to you and say I felt shocked, scared and scornful all at the same time.  It was really serial.  I think the best way to share a 9/11 is to talk about our feelings.

Staci, could I ask you a question?  How did you feel on 9/11?  I’ll open up to you and say I felt shocked, scared and scornful all at the same time.  It was really serial.  I think the best way to share a 9/11 is to talk about our feelings.

 There are people who set off fireworks, shoot guns, drink beer, watch football, so why not dance?  I think everyone has the right to commemorate 9/11 in their own special way.  It was a confusing time for everyone.

 True this was the official 9/11 song: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRCQypnVeXA

It depends when you’re driving that VW and why.  If you’re rolling in that thing during the Holocaust then chances are that you are a Nazi. 

You ARE BORINGGGGGGGGG !

I support the decision to reair this.  I wish MSNBC and the other networks wold air some of the other footage they refuse to air.  I also remember when MSNBC threw a hissy fit because some of this was aired during a republican convention when paying tribute to the military.  This must never be forgotten and despite what the liberal EJDion is claiming now (we should put 9/11 behind us), this attack on the US must remain front and center forever.

The idiot media however need to stop blaming Bush and put the blame where it belongs on the terrorists.  It makes me sick to my stomach to watch the lamestreamers opine about this event as if they are the bearers of truth on it; they lie day in and day out.

I Don’t want to worship any one moron. I want eveyone to worship in their OWN space, not in my space. Religions TAX their people billions to build huge edifices to worship in , USE THEM. Stay out of government or loose your tax exeption.

Huh? How about because it’s a good idea to eliminate people who want to kill your people?

They weren’t confused. They weren’t commemorating. They were celebrating.

Maybe 9/11 gets ratings because people WANT to remember what happened that day.

OMG!! Are you kidding. Our wars are all about profit. Who gets the most out of wars? not the young people fighting them or the tax payer paying for them. A great ameican once warned of the Military industrial comples. OH YA that great  liberal thinker Dwtght Eisenhower. Halliburton comes to mind first. No bid contracts second. Do some reading moron

Robert is consistent .

He was a fool 12 months ago and nothing has changed .

Blahblahblah.   Not going to dignify that diatribe with an answer because it entirely misses the point.

Airing controversial stories about the Iraq War on 9/11 is inappropriate.  It does a disservice to the people that died, their families and friends and to every citizen in this country that finds meaning in this day.

People can argue and blather all day long about what we did, what we didn’t do, and what should happen now.  Just not on the anniversary of the worst terror attack in our nation’s history.

You might want to ask how old she was on 9/11 before you treat her like a moron. 

  Judging by her Twitter feed , her sole interest in life seems to be “foreskin “  . I think it’s safe to assume that she is a moron .

There IS evil in the world.

http://krugman.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/09/11/the-years-of-shame/?smid=tw-NytimesKrugman&seid=auto#&wtoeid=growl1_r1_v2“The Years of Shame”"Is it just me, or are the 9/11 commemorations oddly subdued?”"Actually, I don’t think it’s me, and it’s not really that odd.”"What happened after 9/11 — and I think even people on the right know this, whether they admit it or not — was deeply shameful. Te atrocity should have been a unifying event, but instead it became a wedge issue. Fake heroes like Bernie Kerik, Rudy Giuliani, and, yes, George W. Bush raced to cash in on the horror. And then the attack was used to justify an unrelated war the neocons wanted to fight, for all the wrong reasons.”"A lot of other people behaved badly. How many of our professional pundits — people who should have understood very well what was happening — took the easy way out, turning a blind eye to the corruption and lending their support to the hijacking of the atrocity?”"The memory of 9/11 has been irrevocably poisoned; it has become an occasion for shame. And in its heart, the nation knows it.”"I’m not going to allow comments on this post, for obvious reasons.”

An antidote to Krugman:

http://www.mrctv.org/videos/september-11th-tribute-media-mrcThis is “A Tribute to the Media,” a ten-minute video, honoring television coverage of the aftermath of the September 11, 2001 terrorist attacks. It was shown at the Media Research Center’s “DisHonors Awards” held in Washington, DC on January 17, 2002 when we took a time-out for a few minutes to pay tribute to the patriotic work of journalists during the crisis. The video starts with clips of the breaking news reporting that Tuesday morning, moves to world reaction, memorial services and search efforts; then to the patriotism displayed by Americans, the U.S. military response, Dan Rather and Geraldo Rivera rallying behind President Bush. It includes powerful commentaries from two leading journalists who have since passed away: Tim Russert and Tony Snow.

Krugman is such an asshole.  He won’t allow comments on his post because what he says is so outrageous that he does not want to be taken to task and embarrassed by the simple reasoning of us common folk.  

I think it’s cool to re-air this but I suspect it had nothing to do with a programming ideology or emotion and much more to do with the fact that MSNBC does things the cheapest possible ways – and what’s cheaper than just reairing the actual broadcast than updating it or cutting it into a documentary?

So I give them kudos but suspect it’s totally by accident.

Yeah, and … you do realize we are in a SECULAR country right – as per the UNITED STATES CONSTITUTION! Nobody’s keeping you from praying – just not at government events.  if you want something else, maybe you should move to the Vatican.

Obama needs to release the 84 videos that Bush hid 10 years ago !

Why did Bush hide the 84 Pentagon videos that clearly show what hit the Pentagon ?

It is time that the public got to see just why Bush hd them 10 years ago !

touche’

Wasn’t paying attention, carry on.

You want lies?

Here are Barry’s you SOB:

Close Gitmo? End rendition? End warrantless wiretaps? End
the Patriot Act? Unemployment not to exceed 8%? Provide a missile shield to the
Czech Republic and Poland? Transparency? Health Care debate will be carried on
C-Span? His mother was denied Health Care coverage? Shovel ready jobs? No
lobbyists in his administration? Americans want higher taxes? Pledge to cut the
deficit in half during his 1st term? USA involvement in Libya will
be in days not weeks?  Pledge not to rest
until the BP leak stopped?  ObamaCare Fee
is not a new tax?  His pledge to
“immediately” implement “Pay-As-You-Go.” No Earmarks in the $787 Billion
Stimulus? 2010:Obama vows to cut huge deficit in half in first term? Obama
promises a comprehensive immigration bill in his 1st year?

Well, I’m not aware of any video’s that are supposedly hidden…anywhere!  What’s to hide? It was televised extensively the weekend of 9/11.  I do feel that we should not forget this terriorist attack and what it can do to America but I feel that they (media) will wear it out. I’m already hearing that people are tired of hearing about it and should move on. Yes, we will move on and remembering is to be… but we don’t need to be inundated with it on a continual basis everytime 9/11 comes around. The people in the towers are innocent victims of a disaster. However; they are Americans also. We don’t immortalize our soldiers like we are having to watch this 9/11 attack on TV….on most channels. The Memorials are now built, the families should be happy with that but let’s not forget that there are many other Americans who have been attacked in other ways. I’m afraid that all the publizing of the attack will only serve to end the sympathy that is called for. Let it be now for another 10 years and during that time do the memorial services only. People will tire of it. Americans need to move on. Placing the “never forget 9/11″ into History is enough, don’t force it on people who want to move on. I’m sure the terriorists love watching all their damage to this country. Let’s not satisfy their desires.

“Here are Barry’s you SOB:”

Resorting to name calling.  How very mature.  Let’s all listen to you.

People are looking for facts.  I have seqarched the internet but I cannot find any proof that the putative leader of Iran-Ahadminijad-believes in the return of the Imam from the time of the Prophet which will result in chaos and destruction throughout the world and the return of the Caliphate.  If this is true, it is indeed frightening that such a person would be at the head of a large and well armed nation as Iran which is seeking nuclear arms.

Doers anyone know?

I know why MSNBC airs 9/11 footage.

It is because the IGNORANT ASSHOLES currently working for them get no ratings, so they have to air 10 year old stuff to get someone to bother to watch.

The only thing missing from their coverage is seeing a huge chunk of metal hit Al Sharpton in the head, that fat fuck Jew-hating piece of shit.

“Obama needs to release the 84 videos that Bush hid 10 years ago !”

Maybe you can show us the video of your Mother being told that you died at birth. That should get some laughs. I know I will find it hilarious.

I think “Lockup: Rape in Prison” is coming soon to MSDNC, 24/7 on weekends around that little thug Chris Hayes.

What the fuck is wrong with you?

NBC overall and it’s ” news” division are so ratings deprived they will do anything to goose a 1/10 th point uptick. In addition they are the most flagrant of the MSM in pimping Obama. As he slips Into deep negative figures their world is imploding.if you want evidence they give a race baiter al sharptooooon his own show. I just wonder how long it’s going to take the Roberts family to pull the plug on this band of buffoons

Thank you Rosie O’donnell. Now go and see if maddcows glasses need cleaning

As soon as I see the “Barry” and the laundry list of broken campaign promises, I have to ask: Were you COUNTING on those promises coming true? I mean, you believed in Obama when he made those pledges, but now you’re reduced to the name calling?

Does not compute.

“MSM pimping Obama”. 2008 called, they want their tired cliche back.

In my office, I have a hand made sign that states, “Never Forget”! I watched in disbelief and horror at the atrocities of man on man in the attack on America by Al Qaeda and I wanted to put my uniform back on. We, as Americans, came together that day from all walks of life, from all across America and around the world. The First Res-ponders did their job and many lost their lives to save others. They trained for it and never expected the loss incurred we suffered. America watched in disbelief a historic attack on our own soil. Ten years have passed and now we turn on each other over petty issues and nonsense ideals. As Americans, we should come together, rather than tear each other down. This anniversary is not a political anniversary, it’s a historical anniversary of an occurrence that did happen. It happened to everyone on September 11, 2001 to our “Twin Towers” in New York! Do not politicize it in your rants! Do not second guess or give false testimony, but honor the memory of those who gave their lives to save others. We are all Americans first!

Roger Ailes remains best friends with George H W Bush from his time in the Bush White House. Was it “fair and balanced” for him to be running a news network during the presidency of his son? Do any executives at MSNBC have previous careers as senior operatives in a political party? Be careful comparing conflict of interest at Fox News and any other news media in the country.

The old, “oh you are right but you think you are so Peeeerrrrfeccct.” defense. Since no one is perfect and very few people believe they are or that the USA is, then why don’t you try a different approach. oh yeah…a teenager with a new word…hypocrite. You may think you know more of the world than others, but for sure you don’t have more wisdom than others. You don’t know what to do with your information. Your post is now nullified by your own approach. Let’s be clear. the other poster that you want to denounce as not perfect, may not be holy, but they just may be holier than you.

Yes. MSM types are great as stating the obvious. That’s elite?  If the ‘rightwing’ went beyond the obvious that anyone could see for themselves and went for analysis of the situation, then I can understand why it went over your head.

Good idea…stick to your principles and go build your own atheist space and leave the schools alone. I’ve never been taxed by religion (so you are a liar) but I am taxed by you idiot parents to pay for your schools for your kids for you to teach your atheist religion to everyone’s kids. Stay outta schools or lose your child tax deduction you flaming idiot.

So if you capitalize it, it makes it true? It is a country founded on spirituality without a government mandated religion. No one is keeping you from being an idiot or atheist, just don’t do it at government events. Keep it in your house or maybe you should move to a lil boat floating on the ocean watching for pirates to kill you.

Richie, are you retarded ?

waiting…waiting…waiting… nope… the most vocal…the most money spent to denounce your lil tiny band of Islamic radicals should be spent on TV, radio, newspapers, large arena events, should be the muslims.  Still waiting. nope… I saw absolutely no Muslim events, let alone HUGE Muslim events on 9/11 against the terrorists.  Did I miss it? I hope it was there?  was it there? where? Please help us find it.

Was this crass post of yours as an Arab?  as a Christian?  or the fantastic intelligent combination of both? Just curious. I don’t know nuttn bout ya’ll.

Was this crass post of yours as an Arab?  as a Christian?  or the fantastic intelligent combination of both? Just curious. I don’t know nuttn bout ya’ll.

It really showed the ignorance of the terrorists. They think that the east coast represents the USA. Wait until you can tell your son how much you support the defense spending that keeps us able to project power wherever we choose so we can keep him safe. That is the lesson of the murders on the east coast. That is the feeling that should remain just as powerful as 10 yrs ago. btw. please let your son go when he grows up. Me thinks you may hold on too tight. :))))  

Yes. The elite MSNBC gave you the educated words….avents of that day…and buildings were avacuated.  MSNBC did not give history as it unfolded. MSNBC gave us people who said the obvious after we had already seen it. Brilliant. No analysis.

Richie, richie, riche. Your boy Obama is still friends with .rev. Wright, Tony Rezco, bill ayers and his wife Dorn, saul alinsky, Roland Burris so following you stilted logic I’ll just let you fill in the blanks,

In case you haven’t noticed they are still pimping.

It appears to me that the workers in the defense industry are conservative and the top executives are democrats. Therefore, everyone wins, the democrats get all the money from big profits and the conservative workers get a living wage (after paying big taxes to the sloth democrats and insurance premiums for other peoples pet projects like domestic partnerships) by working for a living. The only ones wanting to kill the defense industry are the crazy, treasonist, liberal democrats.

People
wanting the memorials conducted on the anniversary of 9/11 need to
embrace this if they are serious….. show the jumpers. If the families
want us to remember the horror…. show the jumpers. Let us hear the
audio of the bodies hitting the ground. Play the sound. Show the
jumpers. 2 minutes of the sights and sounds of the jumpers will bring
all generations up to the horror of that day.

One reason to run it each year… cheap.  Real cheap to have the janitor run the tape. No need to spend money to create something new.

ACLU 9/11 Anniversary Report Warns of Threat to American Freedom and Security Posed by Counterterrorism Policies Since Attacks
Report, “A Call to Courage: Reclaiming Our
Liberties Ten Years After 9/11,” Details Dangers of Establishing
Permanent War Footing
WASHINGTON – September 7 – A decade after the September 11th
attacks, the United States is at risk of enshrining a permanent state of
emergency in which the nation’s core values are subordinated to
ever-expanding claims of national security, the American Civil Liberties
Union warns in a new report released today.

“A Call to Courage: Reclaiming Our Liberties Ten Years After 9/11,”
shows how sacrificing America’s values – including justice, individual
liberty and the rule of law – ultimately undermines the country’s
safety. “It is our fundamental values that are the very foundation of
our strength and security,” the report says.

“We have titled it ‘A Call to Courage,’ because we believe that a
defining element of our national identity – embodied in our national
anthem’s pairing of ‘the land of the free’ with ‘the home of the brave’ –
has been imperiled by our leaders’ promotion of (or capitulation to) a
politics of fear,” the report explains.

It challenges the contention that the U.S. is engaged in a “war on
terror” that takes place everywhere and will last forever, and that
therefore counterterrorism measures cannot be balanced against any other
considerations such as maintaining civil liberties. America has become
an international legal outlier in invoking the right to use lethal force
and indefinite military detention outside battle zones, the report
says, and these policies have hampered the international fight against
terrorism by straining relations with allies and handing a propaganda
tool to enemies.

Taking on the legacy of the Bush administration’s torture policy, the
report warns that the lack of accountability leaves the door open to
future abuses. “Our nation’s official record of this era will show
numerous honors to those who authorized torture – including a
Presidential Medal of Freedom – and no recognition for those, like the
Abu Ghraib whistleblower, who rejected and exposed it,” it notes.

The report details how profiling based on race and religion has
become commonplace nationwide, with the results of such approaches
showing just how wrong and ineffective those practices are. “Targeting
the American Muslim community for counterterrorism investigation is
counterproductive because it diverts attention and resources that ought
to be spent on individuals and violent groups that actually pose a
threat,” the report says. “By allowing – and in some cases actively
encouraging – the fear of terrorism to divide Americans by religion,
race, and belief, our political leaders are fracturing this nation’s
greatest strength: its ability to integrate diverse strands into a
unified whole on the basis of shared, pluralistic, democratic values.”

Concluding with the massive expansion of surveillance since 9/11, the
report delves into the many ways the government now spies on Americans
without any suspicion of wrongdoing, from warrantless wiretapping to
cell phone location tracking – but with little to show for it. “The
reality is that as governmental surveillance has become easier and less
constrained, security agencies are flooded with junk data, generating
thousands of false leads that distract from real threats,” the report
says.

The report points out that many controversial policies have been
shrouded in secrecy under the rubric of national security, preventing
oversight and examination by the public. “We look to our leaders and our
institutions, our courts and our Congress, to guide us towards a better
way, and it is now up to the American people to demand that our leaders
respond to national security challenges with our values, our unity –
and yes, our courage – intact.”

A Call to Courage is available online at:
http://www.aclu.org/calltocourage

Kinda like a holiday, huh? Hey, wait, how about a national 9/11 holiday for everyone BUT the federal government and unions? What a concept, huh?

So far it looks like we supply a week long TV celebration event for the terrorists to watch and relive the joy of the fruits of their attack. Great for their recruiting. We should be producing a week long USA military might and politician/citizen resolve marathon to show how we can and will cram our military might down their throats as long as it takes. Instead we let them hear and read what ‘expose your belly’ idiots say about ‘chatting with terrorists’ and gutting our defense by using congressional budgets.

So far it looks like we supply a week long TV celebration event for the terrorists to watch and relive the joy of the fruits of their attack. Great for their recruiting. We should be producing a week long USA military might and politician/citizen resolve marathon to show how we can and will cram our military might down their throats as long as it takes. Instead we let them hear and read what ‘expose your belly’ idiots say about ‘chatting with terrorists’ and gutting our defense by using congressional budgets.

Ummm, I’m not up on my Farsi, but these allegedly have Mr. Ahadminijad, saying death to America, death to Israel, does Mr. Ahadminijad saying death to America, death to Israel count as someone “frightening” who “would be at the head of a large and well armed nation as Iran which is seeking nuclear arms”?

Death to America: http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Ahadminijad+death+to+america+speech&qpvt=Ahadminijad+death+to+america+speech&FORM=VDRE

Death to Israel: http://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=Ahadminijad+death+to+israel+speech&go=&qs=n&sk=&form=QBVR

Schools don’t teach atheism.  If you’d completed school you might know that.

You’d also know that what you attempted is a pathetic strawman.  It’s an easily observable fact that it’s the “religious” people that consistently try to interfere in people’s lives, not the other way around.  You don’t see gay people trying to tell Mormons whom they can marry, or what they can do with their bodies, or anything else really.

Why continue to embarrass yourself with more infantile retorts?

“support the defense spending that keeps us able to project power wherever we choose so we can keep him safe”

Yes, invading a country that had nothing to do with 9/11 and no weapons of any significance was a brilliant “projection of power.”  Oh, and the fact that in almost a decade we still haven’t succeeded surely enhances our rep around the planet.  Not to mention that we sent Americans to die for the Bush administration’s LIES.  Lies that have been revealed on the world stage.  No “WMD”.  Fake “intelligence.”

Our moronic arrogance has also served us well.  Remember how we were going to cow the enemy with “shock and awe”?  What a disgraceful embarrassment to our nation.  As were the “adults” in Congress crowing about “freedom fries” because another country dared to take issue with our stupidity.  Let’s see, we make fun of the French for surrendering, and then berate them for standing up for themselves.  Those are the actions of a clueless bully.

The last decade has shown the world that the U.S. is NOT the military force they most likely believed it was before.  Flailing around half-assedly in the Middle East is not “projecting power.”  That’s revealing our vulnerability and ineptitude.  We can’t even get basic intelligence right most of the time.

Oh yeah, and that oh-so-valuable military spending?  It goes to things like tanker planes that nobody wants, and other obsolete programs that will be scrapped before ever being deployed.  Why?  Because come contractor is paying our “representatives” handsomely, and some senator is pandering to his home state where useless military hardware is made.  We’d be way better off simply paying those workers to fix our pathetic infrastructure, rather than building crap we don’t need.

What could we have accomplished with the vast amount of money WASTED in Iraq?  And where does much of that money go?  To Halliburton, a company that moved overseas to dodge taxes.  Where’s your outrage about that?

Hypocrite.

Grow up.  We invaded Iraq on the basis of lies.  Anyone who’s still denying this has no place voting or weighing in on issues of gravity in the U.S.  Your failure to inform yourself stands as an insult to your country and yourself.

“Again it is the right thing to do no matter the motivations”

What a stupid statement.

I would assume that he’s kidding.

What an infantile logical error.

1. Some Nazis drove Volkswagens.

2. Everyone driving Volkswagens was a Nazi.

If you can’t see the problem here, you need remedial schooling.

Out of all the networks’ coverage, I found MSNBC’s to be the most disgraceful and despicable.

I sure wish I completed school so I could see when they stopped teaching atheism and embraced other theories as well.  :)  Read the post that was responded to. The strawman was that society exists in tiny exclusive ‘spaces’ and that religions tax their people.  Going with their premise, it was called out as false. The word ‘flaming’ was not a reference to gay people.  Of course your point of non-religious people not consistently interfering other peoples’ lives is just a blind spot for many people. Even religious people interfere in other peoples’ lives in many many secular ways. It’s not a strictly religion thing.

No but gay people want to flaunt their actions in front of our kids and encourage it. And they do teach atheism in schools. They teach it as an alternative to other religions. I know this from attending college and because my daughter is in school and what she brings home as homework can also be called propaganda. Christians only want to be able to worship God; we do not tax people we only want to save people. What is the harm of a Christian believer wanting the saving Grace of God to benefit all? It always amazes me how people who do not believe fight so fiercely and object so strongly to Christians displaying their faith when atheist do not even believe God exists. If God does not exist why bother to say so?

The Constitution really states freedom of religion not freedom from religion. The government may not make a person worship one specific relgion but cannot prevent a citizen from practicing their religion. God gives people free will to choose their own path so you have every right not to choose any religion or to choose God. Christians just want to be free to choose their own path as the Constitution provides.

If you notice, they are purposeful retorts at the level or one level sillier than of the silly poster. There are more levels at play than the surface neener neener neener that you can recognize. Thank you for noticing. The reason for the satire is to point it out for the people on the edge who might believe the original silly post. It may not be your cup of tea to engage them on their level and that is ok. We’ll both continue with our day on the various levels called for. :) Have a great one. 

You make several points on each side of the military defense discussion. I haven’t seen anything pathetic about the infrastructure on a national level. Maybe some localities are behind and want the rest of the USA to bail them out. National Defense must be flawless in many people eyes but they dont want to spend to make it flawless. On the other hand, as you pointed out with your signature, hypocrites (maybe not you) have slogans to scream out at others who are getting the piece of the pie but won’t give up their own unearned entitlements that they have control over.

I am certain you know that USA projected power, rolled over the discernible ‘enemy’ and then keep a useful presence in helping the countries build to stabilize themselves. I’m sure Obama would have pulled out of those countries if it were at all feasible.

Politicians grab money for jobs for the people who vote them in. The component of ‘selection’ of the next candidates is the big money people. So money gets our candidates, money tries to shape our perceptions of the candidates, and giving jobs/money to voters seals the deal.  It so happens that the defense industry provides jobs at all levels of citizens, pushes technology for war and civil society, and does produce the military tools. Even a small business has incredible waste of money and time, why wouldn’t the defense industry?

I do wonder about the polarizing positions you stated in your post. Do you really mean to say that we should stay out of war but if we do go to war, level the country, kill everyone, and then leave? Just wasn’t sure if you had that balance or if you were totally one way or the other.

p.s. watch your language.

Yes, isn’t it it funny that liberals can always find defense and military spending cuts? Don’t defense contractors produce jobs, high tech jobs? Isn’t the military “shovel ready” jobs for many without skills? Haven’t they had decades upon decades of experience training and teaching life skills and all types of expertise to Americans in all types of professions with an infrastructure already in place? Of all the government spending programs, I think we get way more bang for the buck (no pun intended) with military training and skill building from our military. Hell, they might even learn such things as discipline and honor.

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Please surrender to the nearest Muslim.

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hey  you  are the dullard who believed him, not me!

I wish people would stop debating the issue of 9/11 in terms of liberals vs. conservatives. I don’t believe this is an issue based on a right or left wing idelology. Can we just say that we were attacked by Islamic extemists. It’s our democracy that the terrorists were and are afraid of and what it does to their violant agenda. It’s been that way for generations under left and right leaning administrations. Can’t we just agree that this was a horrific act brought unto our shores and that we all should condemn it, never forget it, and fight it on every corner. If we can’t agree on that as a nation, then what the **** is the point.

@ SlyFox, the issue with wanting to “save” people is that most us do not need to be saved. What you really want to do is convert people, so why don’t you just call it what it truly i?. I am not a Christian, I am not an athiest and I sure as hell don’t need to be saved by the likes of you, who are full of hate (re: your comment on gay people). 

I guess making up facts and figures would be better than having a little proof behind an opinion…Information is what one is supposed to base an opinion on and thats what you do with information.  Call me an elitist if you wish or whatever else comes to mind but saying I think I am holier than thou means what?   Do you disagree with what I said?  You may not like how I said it, thats fine but tell me what you disagree with?  Tell me where I went wrong in my facts or in my opinion.  I know personal insults, polite as they may be, are easier than debating on whether the world is black and white or a little more complacated esp when it comes to the middle east and forgein policy.  I would like your debate more if it wasnt based on a pointless ”you think your better than everyone else” retort.  If you are going to call me dumb and say I know nothing of the world outsided my front door, back it up.  Thats how one actually has a debate and conversation.  

Yes we invaded Iraq on lies and yes Mona I know Eisenhower’s farewell address too but thanks for calling me a moron  I know about Hallibuton and critize the Bush administration all the time about it.  Thanks for calling me uniformed.  Do people capitilize off of war, yes.  Do we have people who take advantage of war to make a more than a few million dollars…only have to look at blackwater for that one.  But both of jumped on me because I dont think all of the GOP wants war to make a buck.  To broadly say that is insane.  Most wars are fought over ideology with people taking advantage of the war to be war profiters.  Do you honestly think members of the GOP dont care about the American lives being lost as long as the make a few extra dollars?  The insult is not on me for not being informed but on those that feel the other side of the isle is pure evil and out to ruin the nation.  And yes that goes for Dems as well as the GOP