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Up With Chris Hayes Panelist: Obama ‘A Kind Of Monarchical Entity’ On National Security

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In the wake of the killing of Al Qaeda operative Anwar Al-Awlaki, many have raised questions as to the legality of executive military actions against US citizens such as Al-Awlaki, who lived for most of his terrorist tenure in the Middle East. In discussing the killing of the Al Qaeda leader this morning, Chris Hayes and his panel discussed the scope of the law President Obama used for his actions, with American Conservative contributor Michael Brendan Dougherty concluding that, in matters of national security, such actions were near-monarchical in nature.

RELATED: Post-Awlaki, Rachel Maddow Revisits The History Of Obama’s War On Terror

Dougherty and Hayes were accompanied by Vince Warren, and attorney who had actually represented Al-Awlaki’s father. The Authorization for Use of Military Force statue, he noted, was “so broad that it is virtually undefinable,” and as such gave the President the permission to place American citizens (and otherwise) on assassination lists if necessary, which is precisely how the President targeted and killed Al-Awlaki. Given the big-government nature of the attack, Hayes then turned to some conservative responses– namely, that of Newt Gingrich, who argued that Al-Awlaki had received due process through being put on an assassination list. “Is that a good conservative response?” Hayes asked.

That Dougherty did not agree with Gingrich is an understatement. Emphasizing how “unserious, ridiculous, and morally disgusting that response is,” Dougherty proposed a parallel in which American played the role of Yemen in this situation: “Imagine if King [Juan] Carlos of spain said ‘Well, there is a pro-Basque separatist blogger in New Hampshire. I’m sending in a drone to drop a missile on the United States right now, and I signed an order, so its fine’!” He went on to call such an incentive “ridiculous” and, to widen the cap in response to President Obama versus a foreign leader, name-dropped the Duke of Luxembourg, which got its own share of laughs. “So it’s really obscure monarchic entities that American object to,” Hayes joked.

RELATED: Ron Paul Doubles Down: ‘Very Dangerous’ To Celebrate Assassination Of Anwar al-Awlaki

Following that thread to its logical conclusion, however, Dougherty proposed that the President was, in fact, behaving as “a kind of monarchical entity when it comes to the War on Terror,” given the unilateral nature of the attacks and the fact that Congressional war authority was almost completely overlooked. Dougherty added that he found this “appalling” and that it was precisely why President Reagan signed a ban on assassinations, to keep the CIA in check. He did not entirely object to the conservative reaction to the killing, however, noting that libertarians– Rep. Ron Paul in particular– had stood up against this action.

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  • Anonymous

    Obama and Holder want to try terrorists as criminals , but you at least try to arrest criminals if you’re going to assume they have rights . Murky .

  • RACE BAITING@6 RESIST WE MUCH!

    I thought this guy had a show on @ 9 ?

  • Anonymous

    Hey, Mr. President, want to kill some terrorists.
    O:  Give me 24 hours to think about it.

    24 hours later.
    O:  Sure, why not.

    O, can’t even handle a no brainer, and yes, this happened.  It took O 24 hours to think about killing Obama.  Monarchical indeed.

  • Nancillarypeloslinton

    It would be great if Barack (I’m not qualified to be president but I play one on TV) Obama would get together a kind of sports league where American citizens could hunt down and score points for ‘de-ceasing all the Al-Qaeda scumbags now living in this country. Joe (How the Hell did I get here?) Biden could be the Commissioner. Can’t you just see this ‘Mope running around the country in a Referees costume with a whistle in his mouth? For each Al-Qaeda ‘de-ceasing, Americans could take cash or pick out gifts from an upscale catalog. I’d choose the Osama Bin Laden coffee mug and Tee-shirt combo gift set showing his face double-tapped by Seal Team Six. Heh!

  • Anonymous

    This “Doughtry” character offers an absolutely idiotic parallel.

     If Juan Carlos of Spain, or whoever the legal sovereign entity of Spain is, asked the US to extradite a suspect that Spanish authorities suspected may be responsible for the death of dozens, or hundreds or thousands of Spaniards, the US would likely comply with that extradition request.  What’s more, the are not large swaths of the US that the US federal government doesn’t control, very much unlike the government of Yemen – a country that is riddled with ungoverned tribal areas.

    Believe me Mr. Doghtry, if there was a government in Yemen that was either inclined or capable of delivering Anwar Al-Awlaki to American forces, we certainly would have preferred that route.  That, unfortunately, is not the reality in many parts of the Muslim world.

  • Anonymous

    The whole thing is luducrous; the left crucified Bush/Cheney for daring to undertake enhanced interogation techniques, but are not having the same collective hissy fit for the assassination of an american citizen.

    So funny, so typical of the bias of the extremists in the media today….killing an american is honkey dorey, water boarding an islamist extremist is a no-no making you a war criminal.

    The left is so screwed up.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_GVWU6V6ORHYQ57UOHAEI52XTVU Dennis

    What’s the big deal???? If a person makes public video statements declaring war on America (as Anwar did), then shoot to kill on sight is justified regardless of where that person was when he popped out of a vagina.

  • My butt hurts

    How long did Bush take to think about getting into a flight suit, land on a aircraft carrier 10 miles from San Diego with the “Mission Accomplish” banner blowing in the back ground?   

  • Anonymous

    I don’t know, and I doubt Bush even knew about the banner till he saw he.  He admitted it was a mistake.  I could care less about Bush.

  • Anonymous

    Chris Hayes is the newest addition to the long list of failures @ PMSBC

  • Surhan Surhan

    Do we really want the president to have the power to terminate the life of an american citizen, for behavior the government thinks is reprehensible? This is something we as Americans really need to think about. I say the answer is, no way!  

  • Anonymous

    Fact: Ron Paul is wrong in this issue and hey if you see anymore of these guys riding around in Yemen shoot some more heavy metal at them!

  • http://profiles.yahoo.com/u/D7SM25L672V2BCGDVP3KM4AI2Q paulo m

    That’s a blatant lie, because you said “Bush (He)”, “admitted” and “mistake” in the same sentence.

  • NeverWrong

    I didn’t think a show could get any worse on LSDnbc but, once again they surprised the hell out of me. First was Chrissy ‘Tingles, Thrills & Spittel’ Matthews, and of course Joe Blowhard In The Morning even though it used to be on at night so they added Mika Airhead as his sidekick. Then along comes Randy Madcow’s show to fill the Gay/:Lesbian niche and keep that group happy, then they hire the overfed redhead, Edith Schultz, then here comes the unhappiest person on the planet, the sissified, girly boy Lawrence O’Donnell, then PMSnbc feels it needs a black man as a host to appease the black community so they hire the biggest racist bigot in the USA, Al NOTsharptonAtAll and now Comcast feels the need for something on the weekend so they hire an ultral liberal wacko from the worst mag in the country, The Nation. So Comcast felt the need for another Chrissy? Man alive, I did not think LSDnbc could sink any lower but, they managed to do it.Somebody high up at Comcast better find an adult to take over LSDnbc because that place is a mess. Just how many talking idiots has LSDnbc gone through the past 3 years or so? LSD/PMSnbc has become the biggest joke in the country and is the laughing stock of anyone who watches TV.

  • Guest

    The point is…this administration condemned the prior administration for Guantanamo Bay…torture…etc…as did the liberal media.  Now that the BO administration are sending drones in and actually killing as opposed to capturing the liberal media is nowhere to be found.  Didn’t Eric Holder say they were all about the law?!  Where’s the liberal media??!!  

  • JimR

    I agree with that!
    Where in the hell does MSNBC find these people?
    More importantly!
    WHY??????

  • Anonymous

    And indeed Limbaugh used that very line: “if you look at Al-Awlaki, he looks nothing like an American”. So it’s fair game. Conservative racism and fascism all rolled into one + liberal hypocrisy = empty meaningless nationalism

  • Pablo

    I like how you call someone else a liar and then offer a completely fact-free, just made up factoid.

    http://tinyurl.com/764fdr

    You must be one of those lying liars who tells lies.

  • Pablo

    What’s left of the Yemeni government is not al-Qaeda friendly, why is why they let us blow stuff up there. But we don’t have an extradition treaty, so even if we grabbed him, we’d have to do that nasty rendition they all freaked out about when Bush was doing it. And then we’d have to let him go because his right to due process was violated. Which, blowing his ass up means never having anything left to say you’re sorry to.

  • Pablo

    Not in America. But when you’re at war with us and beyond the reach of the long arm of the law, you’ve left us little choice but to blow your ass up.

  • Pablo

    You miss Anwar already, don’t you?

  • Anonymous

    Seriously, the haters are the most blind about the facts.  They play pretend with themselves.  This goes for the Obama haters as well.  I just think Obama is not good in a leadership role.

  • Gordo_815

    I’ve lost me you defend a traitor over the people killed on 9/11. You should all be ashame of your actions. I was worth noting that all you so called liberals all had the same speaking point. Personal I was disappointed in your reaction and only shows why liberal will new govern again. They only have compassion for our enemy, not the victims. I say death to the DOGS! 

  • Gordo_815

    You lost me again. So the only talking points on my side is to have compassion for a traitor and and question our motives. Seem clear to me. Kill the DOG!  No, if, ands, or buts. Sometimes is best not to say anything then to make a complete ass of yourself by taken the side of our ENEMIES!  Good luck with that. You only serve to alienate people that listen to you and are greatly disappointed!

  • Anonymous

    Very much so, all lives are precious… I also miss due process in this country. Our intelligence got us in a war on inaccurate intelligence, why should their word be taken as gospel in this case

  • Pablo

    There’s no due process in war and I have no problem taking the guy at his word. So, sorry about your jihadi buddies.

    Oh, wait. No I’m not.

  • Pablo

    It’s no big deal if you care more about the lives of jihadis than you do those of your fellow Americans.

  • http://twitter.com/MarkH76248 Mark H

    This juvenile show is so poorly produced. The host (Chris Hayes) who is the gay brother of Rachel Maddow, needs to take some courses at reading a teleprompter. He may be as bad as his colleague Al Sharpton

  • Exgoper

    Ultimately, I think the administration made the right decision. But I have no problem with people raising questions about it. I think it’s important for us to define when assassinations of this type are appropriate and when they’re not, and I think there are some legitimate concerns about this that are worth at least exploring without being accused of “siding with the Jihadis,” which is just rank idiocy. And I’d say that whether the person giving the orders was a Republican or a Democrat.

  • Anonymous

    Correction, he’s your idol, the other terrorist, George W Bush’s buddy. Al-Awlaki was invited within months of 9/11 by the Bush administration to the pentagon in an effort by Bush to suck up to his masters in Saudi Arabia. Know your party’s history

  • Roger_Fails

    “He may be as bad as his colleague Al Sharpton”

    And yet still leaps and bounds better than Hannity, O’Reilly, Ingraham and Van Susteren.

  • IJustH8thefax

    Fact: I’m simply spewing the party line and never think about whether what I”m saying makes sense!

  • Sean68

    That’s right. Al Qaeda declared war on us. They’ve targeted our own innocent fellow citizens for slaughter. This guy joined up with them against his own coutnry knowing the consequences of that. And we have him on video admitting as much. Let Al Qaeda formally renounce that declaration as well as any further violence against American citizens in the US or abroad, and then we’ll talk about trials for war crimes, prisoner releases etc. and so on.

  • Sean68

    Good grief. “Thinks” is reprehensible?

  • http://www.davidjkramer.co.cc// DavidKramer

    These are the SAME IDIOTS that called for a civilian trial for KSM and are now cheering an assassination of a US Citizen.

    Oh well, can someone point these loons to the nearest mental clinic? They do suffer from that leftist disease known as liberalism that is punctuated with cognitive dissonance.

  • Pablo

    I don’t see where Bush ever met him. The Pentagon doesn’t have a political party, and Al-Awlaki’s invitation there was before his jihadist tendencies were apparent and while he appeared to be a simple Muslim cleric, part of the community the Pentagon was reaching out to…which goes against your party’s “They hate and want to kill all Muslims!” rhetoric.

    As long as we’re talking about which party is cozy with terrorists, I suppose we have to mention Obama’s personal friendship with Bill Ayers and Bernadine Dohrn. Everybody knew who and what they were at the time.

    Lastly, I’m not a Republican. I just realize that they’re the saner of the two major parties, by far.  Bush is not my idol, but he is not SCOAMF, Obama is.

  • Anonymous

    Don’t worry, you don’t need to justify yourself to me. If you’re a republican and George W. Bush made you ashamed of your party’s accomplishments in the last decade and ashamed to admit your true affiliation, don’t be taking your shame out on the country and root and actively work towards its failure for another decade.. just to get even. There is no getting even in rooting for the country’s failure

  • ROTFLMAO

    This guy Hayes has accomplished what I would have thought up to now
    as near impossible on MSNBC!!
    He has a show that is WORSE than Al Sharpton’s and Larry O’Donnell’s COMBINED!!
    Give this POS 3 months max.
    Unwatchable! Absolutely unwatchable!

  • Roger_Fails

    Given that you foxtards can only watch shows that pander to your insane world view, we’re quite comfortable with your hating anything that’s on MSNBC. In fact, we kind of consider it the kiss of value. The more you loathe it, the better and more insightful it must be.

  • http://christinebreese.info/SpiritualPages/ChristineBreeseVideoSatsangMeetings.html Christine Breese

    I do not think the prez should have the right to kill anyone just “because.” There should always be a due process of law, for what that’s worth. 

  • CarmanK

    Oh, crap, the President exercises his legal powers as COMMANDER in CHIEF of the US Military and these creeps size the powers given to him by CONGRESS as monarchial?? The US Congress giveth and the US Congress can taketh away. We the people, gave over to the congress and the president full authority to respond to terrorists threats. We responded to the needs for ability to act as laid out for us by the President and the US Congress. If abuses of those powers are surfacing than it is up to the Congress to do somethign about it, but they won’t. They don’t want to be soft on TERROR. Although, this President has demonstrated that he is willing to do what is necessary according to the WAR POWERS ACt to seek out and destroy the enemy which is okay with me.

  • http://twitter.com/Staciisa_bitch Staci Chase

    Good Show Chris!

  • Anonymous

    Where are all the idiots that used to call Bush a murderer and war criminal and why aren’t they going ape shit over Obama’s unilateral execution of foreigners and US citizens?

  • Anonymous

    Baloney.  The banner was ordered by the Bush white house.

  • Anonymous

    The Geneva Convention is an agreement on how POW’s are handled.  There should be no question that torture is not allowed once a person is captured.  However, in war when the enemy has failed to surrender, why is there a problem in killing them?  There shouldn’t be any question at all.  This guy knew that he was on the terrorist list, and he was a traitor to his own country.  Now, there should be a way that congress can revoke the citizenship of such persons if they become traitors to our country.  That I do agree  with.  But, the Yemen government is in upheaval right now and they were not cooperating in the capture, so sometimes we use other methods to get the guy.

  • Anonymous

    Good grief Pablo – I can’t believe I am agreeing with you on something!

  • Anonymous

    And then people wonder why the great divide among the American people.  All they have to do is read the obscene,, nasty name-calling post of yours and it shows what an uneducated bunch are hooked on Murdoch’s fake news station and talking points.

  • Anonymous

    Apparently you still don’t get it.  The Geneva Convention says that captured POW’s cannot be tortured.  And, the Bush administration – in particular Dick Cheney, loved to torture any of the POW’s he could.

  • Anonymous

    Pablo – Barack Obama has NEVER had a personal friendship with Bill Ayers.  They were both on the board at the Annberg Foundation, and both taught at the University of Chicago.  But, they were never friends – just acquaintenances

    Besides that, you are alluding to the fact that Obama’s friends are terrorists but keep in mind that Obama was 9 years old when Bill Ayers and his friends did their bombing. And, Bill Ayers has never been convicted of a crime nor has he done anything in the last 40 years that would indicate he is still a terrorist.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=41502648 Tristan Pinnock

    What’s amusing about liberal opposition to drone strikes was that it is their opposition to interrogations that make drone strikes a no-brainer.  If you can’t extract information from a terrorist leader, then you have no reason to take him prisoner.

  • Anonymous

    Does one ever become not a murderer after they have not murdered anyone for a while? Did Ayers ever take responsibility for his alleged terrorist acts?

  • Anonymous

    The DOG is dead – yes, the traitor is dead.  This is the same guy who married his cousin in Yemen, wouldn’t shake hands with a woman, but was arrested twice in San Diego for soliciting prostitutes.

  • Anonymous

    Chris Hayes is neither gay nor a brother of Rachel Maddow’s  He is married to Katy Shaw and they are expecting a new baby shortly – their first. 

  • Anonymous

    I don’t recall anyone questioning the nationality of any terrorists killed by the Bush administration.  If they are traitors to our country and fighting for the enemy, all is fair in war.

  • Anonymous

    Come off it.  You are in a war brought on by the bad guys and you really think you are going to “give them each due process of law”?????  Give me a break.  As long as they surrender, we treat them as POW’s in accordance with the Geneva Convention.  But, if they don’t, they are targets and I don’t care if they are or are not Americans.  If they are Americans, we need to remind people of what happens to traitors.  Look up Julius and Ethel Rosenberg.

  • Sandie

    Not only did he not , he professed that he would have done more if he had the chance!

  • caconservative

    Not murky at all. This government thinks it has the right to enter a foreign sovereignty and assassinate an American citizen, and they do it on the signature of a president? That signature somehow supplants due process?! In a dictatorship maybe but, not here.

  • caconservative

    As much as I’d like to agree with you, I can’t. We do not have the right to invade the sovereignty of any country that is not doing physical harm to us. Apart from assassinating an American citizen on nothing but the signature of a president, and the bag of worms that opens, assassinating anyone without the expressed consent of that foreign sovereignty, is an act of war! Any foreign country doing the same to us would be, and rightfully be subject to retaliation. There is nothing murky about any country overstepping it’s authority. Live within, and demand the strict enforcement of the law or be subject to maniacal government!

  • caconservative

    So it’s OK to step on any country that doesn’t consent to our assassination plots as long as it’s in our interest? Didn’t Obimbo make his bend-over, butt-kissing tour to apologize for just this kind of meddling? Oh ya, I forgot, he’s campaigning, isn’t he!  

  • caconservative

    It’s called the “rule of law”, without it we’re just as guilty as those who attack us. Not one segment of this government has the authority to deem it legal to assassinate people on foreign soil without the expressed permission of that country’s legal government.

  • caconservative

    I agree with killing the scumbag, I just don’t agree with doing it in a sovereign country without their permission, and I don’t think Obimbo has the authority to assassinate an American citizen on his signature alone. If this scumbag was killed in a fire-fight on a battle field, no problem but, he wasn’t. He was killed in a foreign, sovereign country without the permission of that country. Where the hell does this clown get that kind of authority?! Where the hell does Congress think they have the authority, to give fictitious authority to a president. If they can do that in a foreign country, what stops them from doing it here? Killing this scumbag is not the issue, the issue is fictitious authority! Anything that broadens a president expressed Constitutional authority should be suspect by everyone!!

  • caconservative

    It’s kinda like a teenager rebelling against authority, even when they know their wrong, isn’t it?

  • caconservative

    How about giving the sovereign country due-process! When did the signature of an American president override their rights?!!

  • Anonymous

    That is not a true statement according to the people who were actually with the president at the time. Plus the president had already given the permission to assemble the plan in advance. The plan the president chose was the most risky but the one that would be most likely to make certain they had succeeded in their mission to get Osama bin Laden. Had they failed the president knew he would hold the responsibility for the mission but he made the call nonetheless.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=599698989 Ruth Sadler

    I don’t feel badly about the death of Anwar Al-Awlaki, simply because he would have taken great joy in the deaths of people in this country and willingly been part of it.  He was willing to kill innocent US citizens and was working toward that goal, assassinating as many US citizens as possible.  So therefore, he set the standard.  In the words of that great sage, Shrek, “better out than in.”

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