Al Qaeda not a big deal…unless you working in the World Trade Center on 9-11. Or flying on American Airlines. Or United Airlines. Or working at the Pentagon. Etc.

felixw said:
Al Qaeda not a big deal…unless you working in the World Trade Center on 9-11. Or flying on American Airlines. Or United Airlines. Or working at the Pentagon. Etc.

oops, I meant to give it a thumb up, not down.

I agree. Zakaria has always been someone of a fifth column in America.

This is so ludicrous it’s difficult to even reply. Fareed Zakaria and Newsweek, very credible sources of information. It is very fitting that this guy is moving to Time, he’ll fit right in. Is Jonathan Alter going with him?

Who wants to hear this Zombie’s point of view ? Big Eddie don’t .

By espousing these kinds of sentiments, the Democrats are toast. Check out the poll numbers:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/mood_of_america/generic_congressional_ballot

These kinds of numbers suggest that the change from Democrat to Republican in the House will be a landslide of historic proportions. And the Dems have fully earned the whupping they are about to receive.

I am afraid that when Fareed Zakaria opens his mouth, people overreact and act as if it should not be buried before sundown.

Typical lib, blame America First. If this doesn’t prove all libs are nuts, I don’t know what will?

Fortunately, America has not overreacted to Fareed “Who?” Zakaria.

To even say that America overreacted after 9/11 makes me not want to listen to the rest of what this man has to say.

Notice on the other threads that the libs all say, Saddam was no threat. Iran is no threat. The Taliban is not threat, no need to be in Afghanistan. N. Korea is no threat. Hamas is no threat. Israel is the problem, they are a threat to peace.
When Hussein shot at our planes, that was no problem he didn’t hit them.

Libs are just dumb or they are our enemies best friends.

gordonbloyershow said:
Notice on the other threads that the libs all say, Saddam was no threat. Iran is no threat. The Taliban is not threat, no need to be in Afghanistan. N. Korea is no threat. Hamas is no threat. Israel is the problem, they are a threat to peace.
When Hussein shot at our planes, that was no problem he didn’t hit them.

Libs are just dumb or they are our enemies best friends.

Liberals are the bad guys’ useful idiots.

Overrated they should still be glowing!

Newsweek is the print version of MSNBC.

This is typical of Fareed, before too long, Christianne will be joining him in this assessment….they are birds of a feather.

Blame America; Americans are stupid.

This kind of statement should really help Fareed up his ratings on his CNN show (NOT).

Poor Newsweak, Poor Time Mag, Poor CNN — all birds of a feather – leftward thinkers who just don’t get it.

Constantly said:
that fucker should be running a curry cart

More Tea Party/conservative racism, I see.

Al-Qaeda is less competent than it could be due solely to our security and intelligence efforts, certainly not due to lack of determination on their part (and that’s all it takes, really, to succeed with at least smaller-scale terrorism; that they haven’t done so is a testament to our efforts to thwart rather than their wholesale stupidity).

What an idiotic view point.

Zakaria’s argument cannot be reduced to the simplistic terms required of the previous posters. It is the complex argument that America’s initial response was fear-induced (W scattering across the country and running into holes in the grounds). That led to a great amount of fear induced surrendering of our principles. You see, it is those principles which get us through the tough times. Any Tea Partier can stand on pirnciples in a pristine, sanitized environment of a town hall meeting. Tougher is standing on these principles at the 9/11 and Pentagon rubble, in Afghanistan, in living our daily lives filled with resolve, purpose, principle and not acting like 21st Century Surrender Monkeys. Our first response ought to have been to cling to those principles, exercise them with might and force. And many Americans, most Americans did. That the previous posters sided with W and Dick, Donnie and Condi in throwing up hands in abject surrender, lowering them only to tear page upon page out of our Constitution is their shame, and your shame. Not the shame of most of your countrymen. President Roosevelt’s “The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.,” was not simply a truism, but an admonition. Too many Americans, and my presdecessor poster especially, elected to be fearful. It was not required. Thta is what Zakaria is telling us, and he’s correct.

Moderate said:
Newsweek is the print version of MSNBC.

A pointless comment.

The truth always hurts. The entire world knows the US overreacted to 911 – so I guess you’re the last to know.

Contessa said:
The truth always hurts. The entire world knows the US overreacted to 911 – so I guess you’re the last to know.

Yeah. The US overreacted to pearl harbor too. It was just one military base and it was the Japanese that bombed it, not the germans.

LOL, notice RRK comes to the defense of the indefensable. The poor guy is such a clown.

CatM said:
More Tea Party/conservative racism, I see.

thanks for taking the bait, hook, line and sinker. you stupid twatwaffle.

Just when you think the idot known as Real Royal Pain in th ASS is
one of the Dumbest Assholes around here comes a Numnutz like
Fareedy!

Bees aren’t a big deal, unless you get stung. Cyber terrorism is a far greater threat than Al Qaeda. Look at all that this country has done in the name of fighting guys without running water who live in caves. We treat them as though they’re the 21st century incarnation of the USSR.

I think anyone could have predicted that making any statement that portrays what happened on 9/11 as anything other than the worst event in the history of mankind would not go over well. The media nose is fine-tuned for any whiff of controversy, and Fareed Zakaria has stepped in it.

Unfortunately, this will result in most people overlooking what he is actually saying. He is not saying Americans overreacted emotionally to the tragic loss of life from this unprovoked attack. Nor is he saying 9/11 was not an important, emotionally devestating, cowardly act of terrorism that the world will never forget.

He is saying, quite logically, that the response to the event by our government in terms of ratcheting up its “anti-terror” campaign gives the perpetrators far too much credit and assumes they have far more power than they actually possess.

This sentiment is reflected in the way so many conservatives go nuts any time someone talks about moving the Guantanamo inmates to the U.S. for trials, as though these suspects possess magical powers we Americans will not be able to handle. If you truly believe this country is great, must we really telegraph to the terrorists that we are so afraid of them we can’t even bring their suspected accomplices into our courts because it’s too “dangerous”?

That’s what Zakaria isgetting at: we are stronger than they are, we don’t have to squander so much of our resources to deal with a problem not even close to being able to compete with us. Al Qaeda’s plan wasn’t ingenious; rather, it was a combination of their “luck” and our guard being down.

If a burglarly ring stages a break-in of your home, you would not plate your home in bullet-proof armor and surround it with a 20-foot steel fence topped with barbed wire and patrolled by snipers. But you might get an alarm, install lights, use your deadbolts, and even get a gun.

Zakaria is right that our government overreacted to 9/11 from a strategic perspective, and the invasion of Iraq–which was not involved–proves that. In no way is he saying 9/11 was not a big deal or that we should not have responded at all.

In 2005, there were nearly 17,000 murders reported in the United States (excluding deaths caused by drunk drivers). Yet because those deaths were not simultaneous and at the hands of terrorists, we don’t call the victims heroes or talk about the sites of their death as “hallowed ground.” Are there lives any less valuable? Does our federal government produce 136 reports every day on stopping homicide in the United States?

Terrorism is designed to cause fear. What happened was fearful. We have responded like a fearful people. Of course, much of it is politically driven rather than driven by practicality. We have to appear to be doing something even if it is not likely to be all that effective in addressing the root of the problem, and cutting defense spending or Homeland Security budgets is turned into campaign fodder. Whoever spends the most is apparently doing the most.

And does anyone really believe that the “orange alerts” we implemented were not over the top? If they were not over the top, we would still be living according to that scale.

I would think conservatives would like the fact that Zakaria is saying Al Qaeda is a pathetic, disorganized nest of crazies rather than a powerful group led by a brilliant mastermind. He’s saying we don’t have to go to extremes; we can deal with this without 50,000 reports a year.

Fareed Zakaria: Go FK yourself, you pathetic lib.

More people were killed on 9/11 than were killed on Dec. 7, 1941. Did we overreact to Japan?

More people died on 9/11 than died in Katrina. Did we overreact to that?

You dam lib apologists can just shut your revisionist history mouths and cry me a river now that your Al Qaeda friends are getting their asses blasted.

CatM said:
More Tea Party/conservative racism, I see.

No, according to Biden, he should be running a 7-11.

29 DECEMBER 1992 Al-Qaeda’s first bomb attack Gold Mihor hotel in Aden Yemen
26 FEBRUARY 1993 World Trade Center attack
4 OCTOBER 1993 Black Hawk Down incident in Somalia. Zawahiri involvment
1996, bin Laden engineered a plot to assassinate Clinton in Manila
17 NOVEMBER 1997 massacre at Luxor in Egypt

22 FEBRUARY 1998 Bin Laden issues a fatwa declaring all American citizens legitimate targets of al-Qaeda and calling to perform their ‘duty’ by killing them

7 AUGUST 1998 US embassies attack in Kenya and Tanzania
12 OCTOBER 2000 The USS Cole
11 SEPTEMBER 2001 9/11

I missed some, but listed the more prominent
11 APRIL 2002 attack on a synagogue in Tunisia
12 MAY 2003 27 bombings in Riyadh. Bin Laden claims responsibility
16 MAY 2003 Suicide bombings in Casablanca
20 DECEMBER 2003 British interests are attacked in Turkey, killing 27 people.
11 MARCH 2004 Madrid Transit attack
7 JULY 2005 52 UK Transit attack
2007 April Algiers bombings
2 JUNE 2008 Al-Qaeda claims responsibility for a car bomb against the Danish embassy in Pakistan
2009, three Londoners, were convicted of conspiring to detonate bombs seven airplanes bound for Canada and the United States
2009 JUNE Little Rock recruiting office shooting
2009 DECEMBER Northwest Airlines Flight 253 underwear

The Real Royal King said:
Zakaria’s argument cannot be reduced to the simplistic terms required of the previous posters. It is the complex argument that America’s initial response was fear-induced (W scattering across the country and running into holes in the grounds). That led to a great amount of fear induced surrendering of our principles. You see, it is those principles which get us through the tough times. Any Tea Partier can stand on pirnciples in a pristine, sanitized environment of a town hall meeting. Tougher is standing on these principles at the 9/11 and Pentagon rubble, in Afghanistan, in living our daily lives filled with resolve, purpose, principle and not acting like 21st Century Surrender Monkeys. Our first response ought to have been to cling to those principles, exercise them with might and force. And many Americans, most Americans did. That the previous posters sided with W and Dick, Donnie and Condi in throwing up hands in abject surrender, lowering them only to tear page upon page out of our Constitution is their shame, and your shame. Not the shame of most of your countrymen. President Roosevelt’s “The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.,” was not simply a truism, but an admonition. Too many Americans, and my presdecessor poster especially, elected to be fearful. It was not required. Thta is what Zakaria is telling us, and he’s correct.

Isn’t it amazing how the Real Racist King can take so many words to spout meaningless drivel. He even misunderstood the Presidential quote that he used. Try reading the President Roosevelt’s quote after the attack on Peal Harbor, Racist.

“NO
MATTER HOW LONG IT MAY TAKE US TO OVERCOME THIS
PREMEDITATED INVASION, THE AMERICAN PEOPLE, IN THEIR
RIGHTEOUS MIGHT, WILL WIN THROUGH TO ABSOLUTE VICTORY.”

Rogue-Comic said:
Yeah. The US overreacted to pearl harbor too. It was just one military base and it was the Japanese that bombed it, not the germans.

Wow, the lack of logic in that attempt to make a historical comparison is astounding. It’s nothing more than a soundbite but has absolutely no relevance as a comparison for what is being discussed.

CatM said:
More Tea Party/conservative racism, I see.

More race-card playing from Cat.

notsofast said:
Fareed Zakaria: Go FK yourself, you pathetic lib. More people were killed on 9/11 than were killed on Dec. 7, 1941. Did we overreact to Japan? More people died on 9/11 than died in Katrina. Did we overreact to that? You dam lib apologists can just shut your revisionist history mouths and cry me a river now that your Al Qaeda friends are getting their asses blasted.

Another example of the hateful conservative rhetoric that permeates this site.

It’s not about the number of people killed. That completely misses the point. Where does Zakaria say that we should not have gone after Al Qaeda? I have never heard him say that. What he says is that we don’t need 50,000 reports a year that nobody reads to show that we are “doing something.”

If anyone deals in revisionist history, it is the conservatives. Or did you forget that Ronald Reagan completely ignored the rise of islamist militancy in Afghanistan? Reagan’s covert $2 billion funding of the mujahadeen set in place the rise of the Taliban and Al Qaeda (along with Osama bin Laden) in Afghanistan.

Interestingly, it was also Reagan who supported Saddam Hussein’s regime and collaborated with him in deploying chemical weapons against Iran.

Why? Because of America’s overreaction to communism.

And so the cycle goes. Maybe you could make an attempt to argue with facts instead of cursing out people who disagree with you or childish name calling.

CatM said:
Wow, the lack of logic in that attempt to make a historical comparison is astounding. It’s nothing more than a soundbite but has absolutely no relevance as a comparison for what is being discussed.

Lack of logic? Good Christ, for most of these tea-bagging morons getting up in the morning is the hardest decision they’ll make all day. Just review some of these comments; these people aren’t interested in anything as nuanced as logic; they’re idiots.

felixw said:
More race-card playing from Cat.

Actually, I was not the one who dealt the hand. You might want to criticize your friend who dismissed everything Zakaria said with the statement that he should be selling curry (apparently because he’s brown and Indian).

If conservatives don’t want to be called out for their racism, perhaps they should avoid demonstrating it so blatantly.

JimBob said:
Just when you think the idot known as Real Royal Pain in th ASS isone of the Dumbest Assholes around here comes a Numnutz likeFareedy!

Wow, that statement is just so representative of the conservative mentality that it affirms everything liberals say about them.

Facebook User said:
thanks for taking the bait, hook, line and sinker. you stupid twatwaffle.

Thanks for continuing to be a true representative of all that is wrong with the conservative movement in this country.

Zakaria is just another left wing self admitted Obama lap dog that CNN keeps trying to pass offf as an objective journalist. Only fools believe that.

“he brings up examples from the ’80s and ’90s that ‘the United States has been right about the evil intentions of its adversaries but massively exaggerated their strength,’ ”

How many of those examples in the ’80s and ’90s murdered 2,977 American men, women, and children?

Don’t let him fool you, Zakaria is a left wing Muslim sympathizer masquerading as a journalist.

TfT said:
This is typical of Fareed, before too long, Christianne will be joining him in this assessment….they are birds of a feather. Blame America; Americans are stupid. This kind of statement should really help Fareed up his ratings on his CNN show (NOT). Poor Newsweak, Poor Time Mag, Poor CNN — all birds of a feather – leftward thinkers who just don’t get it.

Actually, you do not get it if you think that he is saying “blame America” or that “Americans are stupid.” None of his sentiments imply that, and your inferences are wholly incorrect. You are reacting to the media’s attempt to manipulate you into thinking the headline sums up what Zakaria is talking about, but it actually doesn’t.

Try reading the whole thing. And if you still aren’t clear, then watch his program for a few weeks or read one of his books. You may not agree with his perspective when you are done–and it’s perfectly legitimate not to agree–but at least you will have an understanding of what it is you are disagreeing with; it certainly isn’t that Zakaria is “blaming” Americans for anything.

libra blue said:
Zakaria is just another left wing self admitted Obama lap dog that CNN keeps trying to pass offf as an objective journalist. Only fools believe that. “he brings up examples from the ’80s and ’90s that ‘the United States has been right about the evil intentions of its adversaries but massively exaggerated their strength,’ ” How many of those examples in the ’80s and ’90s murdered 2,977 American men, women, and children? Don’t let him fool you, Zakaria is a left wing Muslim sympathizer masquerading as a journalist.

Are American men, women, and children the only people who matter in the world? Certainly, the rest of the world does not share that view.

Zakaria is knows more about Middle East policy and history and the United States’ involvement in its evolution than all of the people on Fox combined.

It is unfortunate for conservatives that reality has a liberal bias.

His piece is actually an excellent over-view that will be dismissed by Fox News through either lies, over-exaggerations, or just flat out insults to cover up the fact that Fox News can’t argue the piece on a factual basis

Big Eddie said:
Who wants to hear this Zombie’s point of view ? Big Eddie don’t .

My guess is that the only points of view you are interested in hearing are ones that reinforce the views you already have.

CatM said:
Actually, I was not the one who dealt the hand. You might want to criticize your friend who dismissed everything Zakaria said with the statement that he should be selling curry (apparently because he’s brown and Indian).

If conservatives don’t want to be called out for their racism, perhaps they should avoid demonstrating it so blatantly.

Perhaps if you want to be taken seriously for your opinions, you should stop playing the race card.

felixw said:
Perhaps if you want to be taken seriously for your opinions, you should stop playing the race card.

Perhaps if you and other conservatives want to stop being called out for racism, you should stop saying racist things.

CatM said:
Perhaps if you and other conservatives want to stop being called out for racism, you should stop saying racist things.

Cat, how can you not see this? A lot of us want to raise the level of discussion here, and talk about issues, rather than exchange insults. So show us how by presenting reasoned ideas and positions. Playing the race card — which you have done dozens of times in the last 24 hours — is just engaging in the same name-calling that you (supposedly) find so objectionable. If you have views, express them. Otherwise you are not improving the level of discussion here with your rants.

Felixw, the continuing charges of racism from the left side of the spectrum is only deserving of ridicule.

At some point I have to wonder – are you proud of yourself for taking the work of serious writers like Zakaria, reducing it to inflammatory headlines and speculating on whether it’s “disposable” or not? I mean, have some respect for the guy and for your readers. And for yourself, because you can build a career on trying to make points that are well thought out and serious and reflect a depth of knowledge on the subject, or you can build it on writing inflammatory HuffPo style headlines and trivializing the work of others and training your commenters to keep on being outraged and not thinking or reading the source.

I hate to sound like such a curmudgeon here but I’m getting sick of this stuff.

And man, Rick Folbaum is a good dude, why is he putting Mike Gallagher on the air to react to this on a NEWS program? Why should anyone care what Mike Gallagher thinks? Mike Gallagher doesn’t know anything about counterterrorism! His job is to repeat conservative spin to get ratings! But I guess one of Fox’s “news” programs consider it news that a right-wing radio host says disparaging things about a host on another network. Fair and balanced.

felixw said:
Cat, how can you not see this? A lot of us want to raise the level of discussion here, and talk about issues, rather than exchange insults. So show us how by presenting reasoned ideas and positions. Playing the race card — which you have done dozens of times in the last 24 hours — is just engaging in the same name-calling that you (supposedly) find so objectionable. If you have views, express them. Otherwise you are not improving the level of discussion here with your rants.

(1) My reasoned ideas are fully presented in a post that gets “thumbs down” simply because it is opposing the conservative view du jour.

(2) I will not hesitate to call out racism when it is blatant, as it was in the post above, and when it is recommended by visitors to this site. People who turn a blind eye to racism or cond it are just as guilty of the sin as the person making the racist comments.

I am sure you do not like it pointed out when conservatives engage in blatantly racist behavior because it adds up to a narrative that as a whole serves to discredit the movement to which you belong. Like all conservatives, you think you can shame and intimidate me into being silent in the face of objectionable behavior and turn this around to make it about me.

But it’s not about me. It’s about you. If you truly had any integrity, and you truly wanted reasonable discussion, the person you would be criticizing is the person who said we shouldn’t care what Zakaria says because he should be running a curry cart.

The fact that you have made THREE posts to me to castigate me for calling the other person out for what he/she said is a true illustration of where your sentiments lie. I have yet to see one post from you criticizing the other person for his/her OBVIOUS lack of any attempt tto “raise the level of discussion here and talk about issues, rather than exchange insults.”

Why not? Are those insults okay? Or is that what passes for an elevated level of discussion in your world, these days?

CatM said:
Wow, the lack of logic in that attempt to make a historical comparison is astounding. It’s nothing more than a soundbite but has absolutely no relevance as a comparison for what is being discussed.

Sorry to break your narrative.

Mr.Papshmer said:
Felixw, the continuing charges of racism from the left side of the spectrum is only deserving of ridicule.

The amazing thing is that the Left can’t tell the difference between defending their opinions and launching a personal attack on people who disagree with them.

CatM said:
If you truly had any integrity, and you truly wanted reasonable discussion…

Sure, attack me now. And then — here’s the laugh — you are upset that people are voting down your comments. Maybe if you tried posting something substantive, you would get a better response. But go ahead, play the race card one hundred times per day, and see how much impact it has.

da-wdc said:
At some point I have to wonder – are you proud of yourself for taking the work of serious writers like Zakaria, reducing it to inflammatory headlines and speculating on whether it’s “disposable” or not? I mean, have some respect for the guy and for your readers. And for yourself, because you can build a career on trying to make points that are well thought out and serious and reflect a depth of knowledge on the subject, or you can build it on writing inflammatory HuffPo style headlines and trivializing the work of others and training your commenters to keep on being outraged and not thinking or reading the source. I hate to sound like such a curmudgeon here but I’m getting sick of this stuff. And man, Rick Folbaum is a good dude, why is he putting Mike Gallagher on the air to react to this on a NEWS program? Why should anyone care what Mike Gallagher thinks? Mike Gallagher doesn’t know anything about counterterrorism! His job is to repeat conservative spin to get ratings! But I guess one of Fox’s “news” programs consider it news that a right-wing radio host says disparaging things about a host on another network. Fair and balanced.

What I find almost ironic, and what I think the author of this “article” on Mediaite failed to recognize, is that by suggesting this simply isn’t the appropriate time for Fareed Zakaria to be discussing this issue, he serves to make Zakaria’s point that we have overreacted to 9/11 in the sense that we have allowed it to color how we exercise our Constitutional freedoms.

In other words, in the Mediaite author’s view, we should censor our speech in an effort to help support the notion that 9/11 and what followed cannot be discussed as anything other than a sacred event in which every decision made was the right one to “defend” America. Criticizing the response is translated to support for the terrorists.

Sounds like an overreaction to me.

felixw said:
Sure, attack me now. And then — here’s the laugh — you are upset that people are voting down your comments. Maybe if you tried posting something substantive, you would get a better response. But go ahead, play the race card one hundred times per day, and see how much impact it has.

Attack? No, an attack would be to say you don’t have integrity. There’s still time for you to demonstrate it by taking on the comment that was truly racist.

Believe me, if I come across 100 racist statements a day (and it seems increasingly likely on this site, so populated by conservatives), then I will call them out 100 times.

Again, if you don’t want people to point out the racism inherent in your movement, then perhaps you should purge the movement of racism.

CatM – I hear you. When did losing perspective/rationality whenever anyone brings up 9/11 come back into style? I thought it was so over by 2005. I don’t want to go back to the days when any critique whatsoever of US foreign policy was met with YOUR ARGUMENT IS INVALID because 9/11. I never thought that was very logical.

CatM said:
Sounds like an overreaction to me.

Reading through the rest of your comments here, I find the above quote quite ironic.

@CatM, “Are American men, women, and children the only people who matter in the world? Certainly, the rest of the world does not share that view.”

That isn’t what I said, but since you put it that way, yes I do think the American people should be the United States government’s top priority. Name any other country that would not agree that its government is required to act in the best interest of its citizens above and beyond all others. Do you think any Muslim country cares about American citizens, or the citizens of any non-Muslim country for that matter, and would put their welfare above that of their own citizens? I think not.

I don’t know and I don’t care about Zakaria’s “knowledge” of Middle East policy, but based on what he has said now and in the past, he is a typical Muslim sympathizer and cannot be trusted to tell the truth anyway.

da-wdc said:
CatM – I hear you. When did losing perspective/rationality whenever anyone brings up 9/11 come back into style? I thought it was so over by 2005.

During the ground zero mosque debate.

libra blue said:
@CatM, “Are American men, women, and children the only people who matter in the world? Certainly, the rest of the world does not share that view.” That isn’t what I said, but since you put it that way, yes I do think the American people should be the United States government’s top priority. Name any other country that would not agree that its government is required to act in the best interest of its citizens above and beyond all others. Do you think any Muslim country cares about American citizens, or the citizens of any non-Muslim country for that matter, and would put their welfare above that of their own citizens? I think not. I don’t know and I don’t care about Zakaria’s “knowledge” of Middle East policy, but based on what he has said now and in the past, he is a typical Muslim sympathizer and cannot be trusted to tell the truth anyway.

That is not what I said. You suggested that the other people Zakaria mentioned are not as relevant because they did not kill as many Americans.

That being said, while I agree that a country needs to act in the best interest of its citizens, I do not agree that a country should act in the interests of its citizens at the expense of another country’s innocent citizens. In other words, I do not agree that an individual has more right to life and liberty because that individual is an American. I believe this is an inherent right that everyone is born with, which is also what the Declaration of Independence opines.

And if we were truly thinking about the interests of our own citizens, why does our government support Israel’s interests even though it contraindicates the best interests of our nation? Because our government believes that the cause–supporting Israel against those that would destroy it–is a worthwhile cause, even if it places our own country (and citizens) in danger.

So, there are times when a country may put principle ahead of practicality.

As for Zakaria being a “typical Muslim sympathizer,” what do you mean? Do you mean that if people don’t hate Muslims or express the position that Muslim countries are not all evil they are a “muslim” sympathizer? We were not attacked by Islam. We were attacked by fundamentalist extremists who happened to believe in an extreme view of Islam. If they were Christians, they likely would have been Christian extremists who attacked people (a la Timothy McVeigh).

The fact that they were Muslims has little bearing on the fact that they attacked us. The majority of Muslims do not attack non-Muslims or even condone attacks against non-Muslims.

Zakaria does generally tell the truth. The truth is not guaranteed to be something with which you agree, but that does not make it untrue. How often have you watched his show? Have you read his book? Do you really know what his viewpoints are?

Please tell me some of those things he’s said that show he sympathizes with Islamic fundamentalists.

If your whole beef is with Muslim in general, then that suggests another reason why you might not like someone whose father was an Islamic scholar.

felixw said:
The amazing thing is that the Left can’t tell the difference between defending their opinions and launching a personal attack on people who disagree with them.

The thing is, they don’t intend to defend their opinion. If you’ve ever read “Rules for Radicals”, you’ll remember that ridicule is one of the weapons that the left cherishes. It’s written (in RfR’s) that “It is almost impossible to counterattack ridicule”, which is accurate, and why there’s no point in countering the left’s ridicule, you simply ridicule them for being ridiculous in their ridicule.

CatM said:
if I come across 100 racist statements a day (and it seems increasingly likely on this site, so populated by conservatives), then I will call them out 100 times.

I am just as happy calling you out for playing the race card as a substitute for engaging in a real dialogue. But don’t make us laugh by complaining about the low level of comments, when you are slinging mud in every post.

Rogue-Comic said:
During the ground zero mosque debate.

You mean the Islamic Community Center two blocks away from ground zero debate?

How close is too close? I mean, there was an arson against a planned mosque in Tennessee just last week, and people are protesting the planned mosque. Is that too close to ground zero?

How about 4 blocks? There’s a mosque already 4 blocks away from ground zero. Does that have to be torn down?

The whole debate is another example of the media taking a potentially controversial issue and fanning the flames with incessant coverage and by pitting the most extreme talking heads from either side against one another rather than having a sensible discussion about what is and should be a non-issue.

felixw said:
I am just as happy calling you out for playing the race card as a substitute for engaging in a real dialogue. But don’t make us laugh by complaining about the low level of comments, when you are slinging mud in every post.

I see yet another post from you not calling out your compatriots for their racist remarks.

CatM said:
I see yet another post from you not calling out your compatriots for their racist remarks.

In your warped mind you are blaming me for comments I have never made. Why don’t you call out all the hate speech from the left that shows up on Mediaite. Funny how you don’t seem to mention that.

CatM said:
You mean the Islamic Community Center two blocks away from ground zero debate?

How close is too close? I mean, there was an arson against a planned mosque in Tennessee just last week, and people are protesting the planned mosque. Is that too close to ground zero?

How about 4 blocks? There’s a mosque already 4 blocks away from ground zero. Does that have to be torn down?

The whole debate is another example of the media taking a potentially controversial issue and fanning the flames with incessant coverage and by pitting the most extreme talking heads from either side against one another rather than having a sensible discussion about what is and should be a non-issue.

Guy asked why everyone was “so sensitive” over 9/11 again cuz he thought “that was so 2005;” I just answered his question. I have no practical interest in NYC real estate; I don’t live there.

felixw said:
In your warped mind you are blaming me for comments I have never made. Why don’t you call out all the hate speech from the left that shows up on Mediaite. Funny how you don’t seem to mention that.

Look, I am going to call out racist comments. That is what I am going to do, regardless of how much you try to browbeat me or intimidate me into not doing so. Now, you can keep going on about it and refusing to call out the racist comments yourself, refusing to recognize the deleterious effect they have on the image of your movement as a whole, but I am no longer going to respond to your posts haranguing me for doing what is morally the right thing.

So, have fun, but unless you are responding to me about something substantive regarding the discussion at hand, then I am not responding to you.

Rogue-Comic said:
Guy asked why everyone was “so sensitive” over 9/11 again cuz he thought “that was so 2005;” I just answered his question. I have no practical interest in NYC real estate; I don’t live there.

I wasn’t talking about you specifically and deliberately avoiding using the word “you.” I just meant about the topic in general. The fact that you called it the “ground zero mosque” reflects the terminology that the right is using to demonize this project when (1) it isn’t at ground zero; (2) is a community center; (3) they are demonizing people building mosques hundreds of miles away from ground zero.

This adds up to the fact that the whole effort is to boost media ratings and gain political capital.

I think your view that you don’t have practical interest in NYC real estate makes sense.

CatM said:
Look, I am going to call out racist comments. That is what I am going to do, regardless of how much you try to browbeat me or intimidate me into not doing so. Now, you can keep going on about it and refusing to call out the racist comments yourself, refusing to recognize the deleterious effect they have on the image of your movement as a whole, but I am no longer going to respond to your posts haranguing me for doing what is morally the right thing.

So, have fun, but unless you are responding to me about something substantive regarding the discussion at hand, then I am not responding to you.

It’s pointless having a dialogue with Cat. So long. Enjoy hurling your insults and playing the race card and calling for censorship. Just don’t expect the rest of us to take you seriously.

What’s Felix’s “movement?”

CatM said:
The fact that you called it the “ground zero mosque” reflects the terminology that the right is using to demonize this project

Come on man, all the major media outlets were calling the story “the ground zero mosque debate.” Its media sensationalism.

Rogue-Comic said:
Come on man, all the major media outlets were calling the story “the ground zero mosque debate.” Its media sensationalism.

Not all of them. In fact, Fox and other conservatives took issue with the AP’s instructions to its reporters NOT to call it the “ground zero mosque.”

But I agree, the whole issue was media sensationalism.

CatM said:
Not all of them. In fact, Fox and other conservatives took issue with the AP’s instructions to its reporters NOT to call it the “ground zero mosque.”

But I agree, the whole issue was media sensationalism.

By “Fox and other conservatives” do you mean people like Carlson or Hannity or people like Shep Smith and George Will?

Either way, the conservatives who took issue with the AP probably smelled liberal bias where as the AP was most likely just trying to make their language less inflammatory for local newspapers. Just a guess though.

Poor CatM, I know this going to come as a shock to you, but you don’t get to decide what comments are racist and which ones aren’t.

My guess is when Robert Bird talked about the white ni##er you didn’t complain. When Joe Biden talked about how all the convience stores were owned by people from India. I bet you didn’t think it was a racist comment when Obama called the police in Cambridge stupid and racist.

So I don’t think you have any idea what a racist comment is. You are just “sensitive” if someone you don’t like makes a remark that hits its target like a laser. You are one of those “always” offended people. Always offended by republicans. If a republican says today is Labor Day you would be offended because only democrats can use the word LABOR. CatM, you are a joke.

@CatM, “You suggested that the other people Zakaria mentioned are not as relevant because they did not kill as many Americans”

You are wrong again, I suggested no such thing, no matter how much you want to believe that I did. Don’t lecture me on the Declaration of Independence. I know exactly what it says and our forefathers fought in the best interest of the American people and no one else.

Zakaria has said many things on his show and in his writings to suggest that he is a Muslim sympathizer, but this one tops them all.

People like you always bring up McVeigh. While I admit he was a terrorist, he did not commit his crime in the name of any religion. How many murders and terrorist attacks have been committed or attempted by Muslims in the name of Islam since the Murrah attack in 1995? Hundreds? Thousands? How many terrorist attacks have been committed or attempted by non-Muslim extremists since 1995?

In case you have forgotten here are SOME of the murders and terrorist attacks committed by or attempted by Muslims since February 2009:

On Nov. 5, 2009, “Good moderate Muslim” Nidal Malik Hasan murdered 13 people and injured 30 at Ft. Hood, on June 1, 2009, Muslim Abdulhakim Muhammad murdered Private Andrew Long and injured Pvt. Quinton I. Ezeagwula at the Little Rock, AK recruiting station, on Dec. 4, 2009 Muslim grad student Abdulsalam Al-Zahrani stabbed to death Binghamton Univ. professor Richard T. Antoun, and then there were attempted attacks like the Christmas Day bomber in 2009.

And let’s not forget the Muslim TV station owner Muzzammil Hassan who beheaded his wife, Aasiya Hassan, in Buffalo, NY on Feb.12, 2009 for seeking a divorce and on Oct. 22, 2009, Noor Faleh Almaleki, living in Glendale, AZ was run over and killed by her Muslim father, Faleh Hassan Almaleki, because she was becoming too “Westernized”. Her friend Amal Edan Khalaf was also injured in the attack.

Oh yes, and in Nigeria 7 Christians were murdered by Muslims on July 3, 2010. I could go on, but I think you get the picture.

I am sure you and your “friend” Fareed could find justification for all of these crimes as well.

@felixw, “I am just as happy calling you out for playing the race card as a substitute for engaging in a real dialogue.”

The left extremists always play the race card when they cannot adequately defend their position. A “real dialogue” would only reveal their weakness.

Try reading the President Roosevelt’s quote after the attack on Peal Harbor, Racist.

And, I would do that why, Moron? President Roosevelt was speaking of the Hooverian Depression. The attack was almost a decade away.

Geez!

notsofast said:
You dam lib apologists can just shut your revisionist history mouths and cry me a river now that your Al Qaeda friends are getting their asses blasted.

You mean since Janaury 2009, I assume?

gordonbloyershow said:
LOL, notice RRK comes to the defense of the indefensable. The poor guy is such a clown.

I have to admit, I don’t understand cowards and cowardice. Never been one, never acted cowardly. You, however, are an expert as are most of your rightist toadies here. I’ll bow before the Yellow American, Basil Marceaux, I mean Gordon Blowr on that.

By the way, you were never in America’s services, were you?

The Real Royal King said:
You mean since Janaury 2009, I assume?

The increased predator drone attacks?

The Real Royal King says:
September 6, 2010 at 3:02 pm

President Roosevelt’s “The only thing we have to fear is fear itself.,” was not simply a truism, but an admonition.

That and the 127,000 plus Japanese American plus a few Italians & German Americans that had to be placed in those special camps. Fear? What Fear? So much for your cautionary advice.

The Real Royal King said:
I have to admit, I don’t understand cowards and cowardice. Never been one, never acted cowardly. You, however, are an expert as are most of your rightist toadies here. I’ll bow before the Yellow American, Basil Marceaux, I mean Gordon Blowr on that. By the way, you were never in America’s services, were you?

Really there Spanky? Mind then telling about how you came about your screen name and what it has to do with a guy named Jeff and a Horse Farm in California?

Rogue-Comic said:
The increased predator drone attacks?

It’s funny you bring that up, remember when the left was going crazy about Innocent people back in the day, but not a peep out of them last Jan. & Feb.

LAHORE: Afghanistan-based US predators carried out a record number of 12 deadly missile strikes in the tribal areas of Pakistan in January 2010, of which 10 went wrong and failed to hit their targets, killing 123 innocent Pakistanis. The remaining two successful drone strikes killed three al-Qaeda leaders, wanted by the Americans.

“The rapid increase in the US drone attacks in the Pakistani tribal areas bordering Afghanistan can be gauged from the fact that only two such strikes were carried out in January 2009, which killed 36 people. The highest number of drone attacks carried out in a single month in 2009 was six, which were conducted in December last year. But the dawn of the New Year has already seen a dozen such attacks.”

http://www.globalresearch.ca/index.php?context=va&aid=17343

What’s a few Pakistanis when your man is in the White House.

puck30 said:
Really there Spanky? Mind then telling about how you came about your screen name and what it has to do with a guy named Jeff and a Horse Farm in California?

All the Marys in Heaven, almost two years since W left us, three years after he plunged us into an economic freefall, five years after he botched the Occupation of Iraq, and you’re still looking for a diversion? Anything to avoid talking about painful matters, I see? Well, speaking of cowardice …. But, I’ll cut you some slack. Too much time in the Koldys’ Phox Phan Klub begets a certain emotional pathology. As for he whose name shall not be spoken since he threatened the life of our President at this very site and then disappeared when confronted (more cowardice, but kudos to virtually every poster here, present company included, I hope), we shall not speak his name and shall not pander to your diversion fetish.

libra blue said:
I know exactly what it says and our forefathers fought in the best interest of the American people and no one else.

Ridiculous. This is absolutely not true. Our forefathers fought in the best interest of creating a country that not only would be for the people currently living in it but would also serve as a “sanctuary” for people of any faith to escape religious prosecution.

“Shall we refuse the unhappy fugitives from distress that hospitality which the savages of the wilderness extended to our fathers arriving in this land? Shall oppressed humanity find no asylum on this globe? The Constitution, indeed, has wisely provided that for admission to certain offices of important trust a residence shall be required sufficient to develop character and design. But might not the general character and capabilities of a citizen be safely communicated to every one manifesting a bona fide purpose of embarking his life and fortunes permanently with us?” –Thomas Jefferson: 1st Annual Message, 1801. ME 3:338

I will bet money you have never read Zakaria. You are confusing “Muslim sympathizer” (and again failing to explain what that means or what the problem is with being someone who understands Islam) with “Islamic extremist sympathizer.” They are not actually the same thing, and Zakaria has never shown sympathy for extremists. Understanding of their motivations, yes, but not sympathy for them. We can understand why someone commits a crime without considering it a justified reason for the crime.

As for the rest of your bigoted screed against Muslims, demonstrating your complete inability to apply rational thought to differentiate between the Muslim faith and Islamic extremism, I can only shake my head in sorrow that there are others in this country with the same narrow perspective.

gordonbloyershow said:
Poor CatM, I know this going to come as a shock to you, but you don’t get to decide what comments are racist and which ones aren’t. My guess is when Robert Bird talked about the white ni##er you didn’t complain. When Joe Biden talked about how all the convience stores were owned by people from India. I bet you didn’t think it was a racist comment when Obama called the police in Cambridge stupid and racist. So I don’t think you have any idea what a racist comment is. You are just “sensitive” if someone you don’t like makes a remark that hits its target like a laser. You are one of those “always” offended people. Always offended by republicans. If a republican says today is Labor Day you would be offended because only democrats can use the word LABOR. CatM, you are a joke.

Poor “gordonbloyershow” doesn’t know the first thing about racism or race relations. You seem to view yourself as a member of some poor, persecuted, slightly past middle-aged, white male minority.

I have yet to see any conservative on here make a mark that hits its target with the effectivenes sof a hand grenade, let alone a laser.

The reason conservatives have to denigrate universities and “elitism” (their codeword for education) is because the only reason they can hide the obvious ignorance of most of their leaders and members is by pretending that education and knowledge are to be despised, rather than valued.

What we have been seeing by Republicans and conservatives is an orchestrated campaign to foster the “dumbing down” of the American populace. Sadly, it is working. Some of them are doing it quite cynically; they recognize the value of education and are educated themselves. Others (Beck, Hannity, Limbaugh, Rove, Palin) are not well educated and recognize how it has hindered them.

But stupid Americans like nothing better than other stupid Americans to lead them because it makes them feel good about themselves. “She/he is just like me!” They can’t compete with intellectuals so they pretend to dismiss them, but there’s always this bitter well of resentment because they know these people are smarter than they are.

Intelligent Americans want someone more intelligent to lead them. Not someone like Glenn Beck, who thinks Europeans were preparing in 1917 for a war that started in 1914 or Sarah Palin, who thinks “refudiate” is a word.

Ah yes, when you have nothing, ridicule. From the mouths of babes….

CatM, your attitude towards conservatives and republicans is equivocal to the attitude you accuse Libre Blue of harboring towards muslims. That education rant came out of nowhere too.

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Fareed who?

um, cat? “The fact that you called it the “ground zero mosque” reflects the terminology that the right is using” is just not even close to true. the first person who referred to it that way was Imam Rauf himself. in fact, he was the one who made the linkage between the proposed mosque and 9/11. not Beck, not O’Reilly or Palin or any of these poor commenters on mediaite that you have such contempt for.

if Zakaria’s point is we’ve built up too big a bureaucracy in the service of the war on terror, then I’m with him. and so are most of the Tea Party people. small government is what they’re all about (note to you, Cat, NOT racism). but I don’t think that’s his point.

is it possible that Al Qaeda isn’t as big of a threat today BECAUSE of the steps the US took in the GWOT? Z doesn’t explore that possibility. it’s more fun to rag on America some more.

Poor CatM, the liberal profs have really dumbed you down. You think you are an intellectual and you think you are intelligent. LOL. The reason people are getting their kids out of school is that they don’t want them brainwashed by the tree huggers that pushing the global warming hoax. Or the paper or plastic hoax. Or the wind power hoax. What ever happened to that hole in the ozone hole over the South Pole hoax? Or the Polar Bears are going to die hoax. Or the oil drilling will kill the Caribou hoax. Or the Acid Rain hoax. Or the nuclear power hoax.
How about that ObamaCare hoax, is that working for ya?
CatM, when you get a brain would please put out a press release. Until then you should keep the fact that you are nuts, a secret. We won’t tell anyone if you just slip away quietly now. Rock a bye baby on the tree tops. Shhhhh go to sleep now.

@CatM, “Our forefathers fought in the best interest of creating a country that not only would be for the people currently living in it but would also serve as a “sanctuary” for people of any faith to escape religious prosecution.”

Yes, it was intended for people who were seeking “sanctuary” in this country, not necessarily for people whose allegiances lied with other countries against us. These Muslim terrorists are not seeking sanctuary for themselves or anyone else, they are out to destroy everything the U.S. stands for.

Although I have not “religiously” (pardon the pun) watched Zakaria, I have seen his show and read him on occasion and each and everytime I do he always tries to justify or diminish the crimes of Islam while trying to place the blame on the “infidels” aka anyone who disagrees with the Muslim faith. That is when I turn him off.

The lack of criticism and condemnation by members of the so-called moderates of the Muslim faith against not only terrorist attacks like 9/11, by also against honor killings and stonings of their own people and the condemnation and murder of homosexuals makes it difficult to believe that there is much of a difference between them and Islamic extremists.

The Real Royal King said:
Try reading the President Roosevelt’s quote after the attack on Peal Harbor, Racist. And, I would do that why, Moron? President Roosevelt was speaking of the Hooverian Depression. The attack was almost a decade away. Geez!

The Real Racist King has to strip all context to try and make a point, and he still misses the mark. Moron? You are the one who used that Presidential quote with respect to an attack on the US, I simply corrected you. I’m sure that happens to you many times during the day.

@Cat M, Oh yeah, and where is that list of non-Muslim terrorist and attempted terrorist attacks since McVeigh in 1995? What about just since February 2009?

The Real Royal King said:
Moron

hahahahhahahaha, you demonstrate cowardice constantly on this blog! What a hoot! Thanks for the laugh.

I agree with Ruth. If FZ’s point is that the bureaucracy is too big and ineffective then I agree.

But I can remember the reaction by this country after 9/11. We didn’t know any of this was possible. All the networks were asking how did this happen? These terrorists living under rocks in the desert with their goats did more than “get lucky.” They coordinated a huge event that involved four buildings and four of our own jets. They hit three out of the four targets.

Americans didn’t realise that they could get through our airport security and they could get through the cockpit door. It was early in the morning on the east coast. First we heard of one plane hitting the tower and then we watched the second second hit and the towers fall. Then the news about another plane hitting the pentagon and a fourth crashed, most likely heading for the capital. We didn’t even know if that was it. We didn’t know if any other planes were hijacked. The people and agencies that were supposed to know this stuff didn’t. They grounded all planes. They had to stop the madness.

In this respect I don’t think we overreacted. We found out all sorts of things about what could get through airline security and agencies that should have communicated didn’t have protocols set up. We needed to establish a better way of dealing with these occurances. We needed better communication. We needed red flags to go up when the first plane deviated from its course. Even at the most basic level passengers had been coached that if hijacked to sit still and do what the hijackers asked you to do. It had been the best way to survive.

Now the game had changed. People who could have overpowered the hijackers like flight 93 did just sat still. The folks on flight 93 didn’t sit still because their loved ones told them of what had been happening that morning. They knew their best chance was to fight back.

Yes the Dept of Homeland Security is a joke. Janet Napolitano makes my blood boil. But it was supposed to help agencies connect and share information, establish protocols and that sort of thing. It was supposed to close the gaps. Obviously it hasn’t. The Christmas day crotch bomber would have blown that plane out of the sky. Had it not been for his own incompetence and the passengers who jumped him. The system did not work. But the fact that attempts keep happening shows we still need a system. We just need one that works. Oh and another example of how overreacting has helped. The car in times square. A vendor notified the police. Everybody before 9/11 just minded their own business now they see something odd and they do something.

9/11 was bigger than Pearl Harbor and it was an act of war. I don’t think you can just ignore an act of war. We took the fight to them and now the civilians being killed are another nationality. Its all ugly and sordid but that’s war I guess. I think we need to root out the terrorists. I think we have disrupted them. We have killed a few high profile guys. And our dealings with Gitmo detainees has garnered intelligence that has prevented other attacks. We need to be on the offensive. Ignoring the problem is what we did after the first WTC bombing in the 90′s and that didn’t make it go away. It gave us 9/11/01.

The Real Royal King says:
September 6, 2010 at 7:11 pm

But, I’ll cut you some slack. Too much time in the Koldys’ Phox Phan Klub begets a certain emotional pathology.

Really Jackass? Mind telling the group the last time I posted at Mr Dollar’s website? Now let’s talk A CERTAIN EMOTIONAL DISEASE shall we?

So who has the obsessed phobia? Who is the one that can’t pronounce Fox, correctly? Who can’t pronounce O’Reilly? Hannity? Van Shusteren? Palin correctly? What is it Seymour, turrets?

Didn’t you not only post pictures and addresses which lead to you being banned for a time from this site. But were you not banned from a anti-FNC website because you & Little Johnny ‘T’ were trying to get some people together to visit someone with (as you said) “A package & a lighter?”

Emotional pathology? Tell everybody about the origin of your screen name, I’m sure they would all just love to hear that one.

Didn’t your posts at the anti-FNC website have to be scrubbed because the language was way over the top?

And while we are at it, how come you and Little Johnny ‘T’ are the only ones on this site that have an obsession with what goes on over at Mr. Koldy’s site?

Who wrote dopey poetry in BIG CAPS about FNC for a whole month? Who’s got the emotional disease here? Best look in the mirror and hope it don’t crack.

Emotional pathology? You got the market cornered on that one. Might as well throw in Social Pathology while we are at it.

NOW, let’s get onto this…..

“five years after he botched the Occupation of Iraq,”

Botch this, your man in the White House is doing such a good job. Yeah right.

http://apnews.myway.com/article/20100905/D9I204T00.html

Wasn’t I told all the Combat troops were pulled out?

If I had a newspaper called the ‘Daily Botch’ I wouldn’t have to worry about material as long as Obama was in the White House.

Rogue-Comic said:
CatM, your attitude towards conservatives and republicans is equivocal to the attitude you accuse Libre Blue of harboring towards muslims. That education rant came out of nowhere too.

Actually, there’s quite a difference. The de facto leaders of the conservative movement have made a concerted effort to discredit education and the educated. They are also, largely, uneducated people. The ignorance expressed by conservatives on this site (ignorance, not stupidity) is palpable and overwhelming in its breadth.

If Libre Blue wants to dislike Muslims who preach anti-American rhetoric or exhibit anti-American sentiment, then I have no issues with that. I can fully understand that.

When I see intelligent conservatives touting the benefits of a first-class education and saying things that do not demonstrate a complete lack of history, logic, and language, I promise I will give credit to that particular conservative.

libra blue said:
@Cat M, Oh yeah, and where is that list of non-Muslim terrorist and attempted terrorist attacks since McVeigh in 1995? What about just since February 2009?

I could certainly give you a list, but I don’t have the time nor the inclination. I suggest you look it up. There was a shooting at a white church, the terrorist assault against abortion doctors, culminating in murder, the Olympic Park bombing, the politically motivated assassination of policemen in Pennyslvania last year, the attack at the Holocaust Museum by someone with conservative ideology, the plane flown into an IRS building in Texas, and a woman who attempted to invade a military base with several weapons to go after the “FEMA” camps. Then there was the latest situation at the Discovery Channel where the guy wanted to stop immigrants from coming to the country and having children.

First a question CatM, do you spend you entire life posting to site like this or did you simply spend you entire Labor Day doing it?

Now, by “defacto leaders of the conservative movement” I assume you mean people you pick because they fit your thesis.

As to “I could certainly give you a list, but I don’t have the time nor the inclination.” that sounds like you don’t have such a list and you are trying to cover your tracks with bravado. Does that really work with the people you talk to during the course of your life? As to the attacks you alluded to, is that what you think of as intellectual honesty? Climb down out of your ivory tower, it’s merely a construct of your fevered imagination.

The Real Royal King said:
Try reading the President Roosevelt’s quote after the attack on Peal Harbor, Racist. And, I would do that why, Moron? President Roosevelt was speaking of the Hooverian Depression. The attack was almost a decade away. Geez!

Roosevelt was related to you? Great googly moogly! So when Roosevelt told everybody about the fear thing, he didn’t really mean it when the war came around.

And Roosevelt was in NO WAY a racist for putting those Japanese, Italians & Germans in those camps. He wasn’t doing that out of fear, he just thought they needed a vacation.

Ah yes, The fine woodcut barracks, The wooden bunks that were made by the prisoners……er vacationers themselves. the barbed-wire fence and a watch tower overlooking the camp under a dramatically clouded sky. Why we don’t have old postcards of these places is beyond me.

I can hear the commercial now over the radio, “Imagine that one day you receive notice that you and your whole family must be ready to move within 48 hours. You could take only the possessions you could carry and no one would tell you when you would be permitted to return home.”

I bet those folks were so happy when Roosevelt gave them the news on that one. I’m sure they were so pissed when they had to leave Paradise in 1946.

Tell me some more Roosevelt Fantasy stories, Nah! there was no fear being peddled around.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JkaQqzumMGE

libra blue said:
@CatM, “Our forefathers fought in the best interest of creating a country that not only would be for the people currently living in it but would also serve as a “sanctuary” for people of any faith to escape religious prosecution.” Yes, it was intended for people who were seeking “sanctuary” in this country, not necessarily for people whose allegiances lied with other countries against us. These Muslim terrorists are not seeking sanctuary for themselves or anyone else, they are out to destroy everything the U.S. stands for. Although I have not “religiously” (pardon the pun) watched Zakaria, I have seen his show and read him on occasion and each and everytime I do he always tries to justify or diminish the crimes of Islam while trying to place the blame on the “infidels” aka anyone who disagrees with the Muslim faith. That is when I turn him off. The lack of criticism and condemnation by members of the so-called moderates of the Muslim faith against not only terrorist attacks like 9/11, by also against honor killings and stonings of their own people and the condemnation and murder of homosexuals makes it difficult to believe that there is much of a difference between them and Islamic extremists.

First, there was a huge outcry by non-extremist Muslims and leaders of Muslim countries over what happened on 9/11. It was widely condemned by most moderate imams and media outlets in Muslim countries.

Second, many moderate muslims have repeatedly spoken out against honor killings and stonings, which is not practiced in most Muslim communities. Egypt has passed laws to end female genital mutilation and has started arresting people for it. Syria is cracking down on extremist Muslims and Imams within its borders.

Most moderate Muslim scholars say there is nothing in the Quran that supports honor killing.

That being said, at the beginning of this century, there were plenty of Americans in the south especially who killed black people in lynchings and treated it as a celebratory process. They took souveniers, celebrated, and brought their children. Seems just as barbaric to me. And their church leaders didn’t say anything.

We have moved past that, thanks to laws and good people who put a stop to it, and I believe these remaining Muslim areas that still practice these brutal things are also changing and will continue to change until it is no longer tolerated there, either.

I also seem to remember some republicans in Congress essentially blaming Matthew Shepherd for his own death and church leaders (including Dobson, who was featured at Glenn Beck’s rally) protesting his funeral and saying he was going to hell. Then there were all the people cheering at the murder of Tiller and Bill O’Reilly, who essentially called for it. This is the same Bill O’Reilly who blamed a rape victim for her rape because of how she was dressed.

So, you could rightly point out that there are fundamentalists in this country who condone killing people who are gay or are different than they are or who support brutalizing women. Why does O’Reilly still have a job after saying those things? Why does Beck give Dobson a prominent role in his rally?

When you want to cast stones at Islamic leaders, I think you should first look in your own backyard.

RichS said:
First a question CatM, do you spend you entire life posting to site like this or did you simply spend you entire Labor Day doing it? Now, by “defacto leaders of the conservative movement” I assume you mean people you pick because they fit your thesis. As to “I could certainly give you a list, but I don’t have the time nor the inclination.” that sounds like you don’t have such a list and you are trying to cover your tracks with bravado. Does that really work with the people you talk to during the course of your life? As to the attacks you alluded to, is that what you think of as intellectual honesty? Climb down out of your ivory tower, it’s merely a construct of your fevered imagination.

I’m not here to talk to you about my personal life, thanks. But I can honestly tell you I post far less at this site than several others who are here regularly.

Second, by de facto leaders, I mean the people other conservatives have pointed out or recognized as de facto leaders of their party. And that does not include Michael Steele.

I love how you used so many words to say absolutely nothing meaningful.

gordonbloyershow said:
Poor CatM, the liberal profs have really dumbed you down. You think you are an intellectual and you think you are intelligent. LOL. The reason people are getting their kids out of school is that they don’t want them brainwashed by the tree huggers that pushing the global warming hoax. Or the paper or plastic hoax. Or the wind power hoax. What ever happened to that hole in the ozone hole over the South Pole hoax? Or the Polar Bears are going to die hoax. Or the oil drilling will kill the Caribou hoax. Or the Acid Rain hoax. Or the nuclear power hoax.How about that ObamaCare hoax, is that working for ya?CatM, when you get a brain would please put out a press release. Until then you should keep the fact that you are nuts, a secret. We won’t tell anyone if you just slip away quietly now. Rock a bye baby on the tree tops. Shhhhh go to sleep now.

So, how much did that tinfoil hat cost, anyway?

Ruth Gretzinger said:
um, cat? “The fact that you called it the “ground zero mosque” reflects the terminology that the right is using” is just not even close to true. the first person who referred to it that way was Imam Rauf himself. in fact, he was the one who made the linkage between the proposed mosque and 9/11. not Beck, not O’Reilly or Palin or any of these poor commenters on mediaite that you have such contempt for. if Zakaria’s point is we’ve built up too big a bureaucracy in the service of the war on terror, then I’m with him. and so are most of the Tea Party people. small government is what they’re all about (note to you, Cat, NOT racism). but I don’t think that’s his point. is it possible that Al Qaeda isn’t as big of a threat today BECAUSE of the steps the US took in the GWOT? Z doesn’t explore that possibility. it’s more fun to rag on America some more.

First, you’ll have to show me a source for your claim that Rauf was the first to use the term.

Second, context is everything. For example, I have a feeling if I used “Obama care” it would not mean the same thing it means if you use “Obama Care.”

Third, surveys show that self-identified Tea Party members are largely racist. http://depts.washington.edu/uwiser/racepolitics.html

You may not like it, but it is true. And Tea Party members overwhelmingly identify themselves as former Republican voters.

CatM said:
The de facto leaders of the conservative movement have made a concerted effort to discredit education and the educated. They are also, largely, uneducated people.

Lets cut the bullshit. You’re talking about Rush and Beck.

Rogue-Comic said:
Lets cut the bullshit. You’re talking about Rush and Beck.

You’re wasting your time with that guy, he types what he thinks he’s supposed to.

Also, do you see the irony in the Democrats move to embracing elitism as a positive? Years ago, they billed themselves as the champions of the common guy, the blue collar working class. These days, they’ve been reduced to mocking and insulting the common guy, even going so far as to mock college grads who lack Ivy League credentials. Kooky.

Mr.Papshmer said:
You’re wasting your time with that guy, he types what he thinks he’s supposed to.

Also, do you see the irony in the Democrats move to embracing elitism as a positive? Years ago, they billed themselves as the champions of the common guy, the blue collar working class. These days, they’ve been reduced to mocking and insulting the common guy, even going so far as to mock college grads who lack Ivy League credentials. Kooky.

It is bit of a paradox.

CatM said:
First, you’ll have to show me a source for your claim that Rauf was the first to use the term. Second, context is everything. For example, I have a feeling if I used “Obama care” it would not mean the same thing it means if you use “Obama Care.” Third, surveys show that self-identified Tea Party members are largely racist. http://depts.washington.edu/uwiser/racepolitics.html You may not like it, but it is true. And Tea Party members overwhelmingly identify themselves as former Republican voters.

Who is Christopher Parker you ask?

Christopher Parker (Ph.D., University of Chicago, 2001) is an associate professor, and
Stuart A. Scheingold Professor of Social Justice and Political Science in the Department
of Political Science at the University of Washington.

And I am so sure this survey was done in a fair and balanced way, let’s look at Mr. Parker’s first book shall we?

http://www.amazon.com/Fighting-Democracy-International-Comparative-Perspectives/dp/0691140049/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1254165002&sr=1-1

I’m sure there wasn’t any bias in any way when this survey was done, no, no, no.

And the man wants $60 bucks for that drivel? $21.33 for the paperback? Sounds like I should be calling him ‘Fast Buck Chris’.

@CatM, “It was widely condemned by most moderate imams and media outlets in Muslim countries.”

Are you kidding? It was never widely condemned and I have heard nothing from the so-called “peaceful” members of the Muslim community regarding Nidal Malik Hasan’s murderous rampage at Ft. Hood, or any of the other terrorist murders I cited in my comment. They are especially careful not to condemn honor killings or the stoning of women.

I haven’t heard them say anything in regards to terrorist leader Anwar Nasser Abdulla Aulaqi either.

The Muslim community worldwide continues to deny women their basic human rights and continues to condemn and murder homosexuals. What is your excuse for that? These things do not even begin to compare with the stupid comments made by O’Reilly or anyone else.

And let’s not forget the death threats against South Park creators Matt Stone and Trey Parker over a cartoon!

Lynchings in the 21st century? Show me the evidence.

“Egypt has passed laws to end female genital mutilation and has started arresting people for it”

How charitable of Egypt to finally end this barbaric practice in the 21st century! A little behind the times wouldn’t you say?

As for the dumbing down of “education”, it started to go downhill with affirmative action which has dumbed down the entire school system including the quality of our teachers and finally manifesting itself in the White House in the person of Barack “57 States” Obama.

“When you want to cast stones at Islamic leaders, I think you should first look in your own backyard.”

Wrong again. I am an Independent voter and did not vote for Bush so the conservative agenda is not in “my back yard”. Maybe YOU should find out the facts before you start casting stones.

Another foreignor from Newsweek and CNN telling Americans that were born and raised here that we’re all f’ed up. And CNN wonders why they suck so hard that no one watches them. Maybe if they hired real Americans who hold a pro-America bias, they might actually attract some viewers. The only people who watch CNN are either foreingors or anti-White bigots who enjoy the crap that comes out of Zakaria, Velshi and the rest of the anti-American people who work there.

libra blue said:
@CatM, “It was widely condemned by most moderate imams and media outlets in Muslim countries.” Are you kidding? It was never widely condemned and I have heard nothing from the so-called “peaceful” members of the Muslim community regarding Nidal Malik Hasan’s murderous rampage at Ft. Hood, or any of the other terrorist murders I cited in my comment. They are especially careful not to condemn honor killings or the stoning of women. I haven’t heard them say anything in regards to terrorist leader Anwar Nasser Abdulla Aulaqi either. The Muslim community worldwide continues to deny women their basic human rights and continues to condemn and murder homosexuals. What is your excuse for that? These things do not even begin to compare with the stupid comments made by O’Reilly or anyone else. And let’s not forget the death threats against South Park creators Matt Stone and Trey Parker over a cartoon! Lynchings in the 21st century? Show me the evidence. “Egypt has passed laws to end female genital mutilation and has started arresting people for it” How charitable of Egypt to finally end this barbaric practice in the 21st century! A little behind the times wouldn’t you say? As for the dumbing down of “education”, it started to go downhill with affirmative action which has dumbed down the entire school system including the quality of our teachers and finally manifesting itself in the White House in the person of Barack “57 States” Obama. “When you want to cast stones at Islamic leaders, I think you should first look in your own backyard.” Wrong again. I am an Independent voter and did not vote for Bush so the conservative agenda is not in “my back yard”. Maybe YOU should find out the facts before you start casting stones.

20th century, not 21st. Excuse the mind slip. There’s been one lynching in the 21st century of which I’m aware, but it wasn’t ignored by authorities.

And yes, most moderate Muslims did condemn the 9/11 attacks.

Affirmative action has “dumbed down” things? The more you guys claim you are not racist the more you say things that are just plainly racist.

CatM, affirimative is racist. You and your elite pals think minorities are so dumb that they need special help. We have our first affirmative action president and look how that has worked out. The next affirmative action president you will want will be some dumb lib female that isn’t up to the job. AsGHWB would say, “ain’t gonna happen”.
You really need to get around real people and quit hanging with people that think like you. As one famous Washington liberal lady said, “I don’t know how Reagan got elected I don’t know anyone that voted for him.”
You are the problem not the people here that are smater than you.

Correction for the Cat.

Affirmative action is racist.

Boy do I not agree with Zakaria. They pulled off a meticulous and fantastic attack the likes which have never been seen. It involved years of planning and training, and a network of planners and financiers. What is Fareed thinking?

Mr. Zakaria doesn’t mention the other groups that are among the “Political Asylum” refugees from the Middle East’s civil wars that the U.S. State Department is “resettling” here. If even a few of them have the desire to inflict mass casualities on New Yorkers in a crowded Time Square on a Saturday night they are a disaster-waiting-to-happen, Click Link:

http://patriotsforamerica.ning.com/profiles/blogs/palestinians-have-missle

Andy Lamb said:
This is so ludicrous it’s difficult to even reply. Fareed Zakaria and Newsweek, very credible sources of information. It is very fitting that this guy is moving to Time, he’ll fit right in. Is Jonathan Alter going with him?

Mr. Zakaria wrote an interesting book: “The Rise of the Rest” where he predicts that China, Brazil and India will take-on more responsibilty for the geopolitical relationships in their areas of the Globe. He is also an “Immigration Reformista” who favors increased immigration to the U.S:

http://www.tcunation.com/profiles/blogs/changing-the-image-of

Fareek , time for you to go home. Your getting desperate for ratings and for someone to read Time. Not going to happenZeke!

@gordonbloyershow,”Affirmative action is racist.”

You are absolutely right! However, racism that favors minorities of any kind, whether it be black, hispanic, women, or anyone else, is always condoned by the kool-aid drinkers.

libra blue said:
@gordonbloyershow,”Affirmative action is racist.”

You are absolutely right! However, racism that favors minorities of any kind, whether it be black, hispanic, women, or anyone else, is always condoned by the kool-aid drinkers.

Affirmative Action is not in itself racist; its a program that assumes some employers might be to some degree. Before the assassination of Hilliary Clinton’s presidential bid, it was an institution that the US had no need for anymore. Now, its just a card in the race baiting trading card game.

What did Zakaria say that was so abhorrent?

How high-tech was 9/11? Where was it planned? How much money did it cost? How many holes were there in how the US protected itself? Do we still have an intra-agency intelligence problem?

(Not much, Hamburg, 500M, tons, yes)

I think it is fair to say we elevated Al-Qeada post-9/11. Have they done damage around the world? Yes. Was it worth Iraq/Afghanistan wars? I think, many years later, no.

So Frances et al., I don’t think it was callous. Not liking an assessment of “y’all overacted” is much different than how this article and Zakaria are portrayed.

But, I know how some of you *love* being afraid of the next Moslem, Ay-rabb, etc.

And, if you don’t think our recent practices/actions have not been used as a recruiting tool by Al-Qeada et al., you really need to change your meds.

The plan for W and Cheney always involved a crusade for Christianity. 9/11 was only an excuse for these actions. Many other military options were available if W was only going after terrorists. To install a corrupt government and bring democracy to Muslims whose faith is against democracy became the goal. What a load. For sport and to revenge his father’s reputation and murder Saddam, W started a war and told everyone God spoke to him, just like Nixon spoke to pictures on the walls and would abruptly kneel in prayer during meetings during his last days. We started with a crazy in W and ended in one with Nixon. Americans must be happy with their hatred and xenophobia. A vote for a Republican is a vote for the grave.

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This nutball must be a stone idiot! Muslim, no doubt!

Here we go again,, all muslims pick up for their own. What makes me mad is they spend some time in England, pick up a very classy english accent, so that they will be more believable & then begin making documentaries, usually one sided expressing his muslim views in an attempt to change the young minds in various countries…why can’t people see this is all their PLAN, they are highly organized and when they can get someone like Zakaria, who plays both sides (just to get on TV of course) and then gets the weak minded americans to AGREE with him, I mean, if an american agrees, he must be right? WRONG!! The first time I viewed him on television, I knew he was trouble, there is another one on “Nightline” that is not as obvious..but..it’s there believe me, when you see news commentators playing the “poor muslim nation” game, you can be sure they got that job just to get on the air to convince americans and/or other christian countries, that we are nice people, we don’t hurt anyone, it is those mean americans, who enslaved the blacks, occupied countries, made too much money, blah, blah, blah. Why are they hired…let me guess…they are a minority, and they get in under that huge UMBRELLA that is ruining our nation. Please, if you don’t like our lifestyle, if we don’t honor your Kuran, if we don’t like being …killed, knifed or poisoned to death, we can’t get along, can’t you see that…& what a clever act, slipping in a muslim President. Wow, were we blindsided!! If you people like living in this country so much, because of all the goodies, do the same thing in your own countries…we never wanted to invade Iraq…we were bombed for God’s sake. Ahh, for the old fashioned days, when men fought in tanks, slept in foxholes, you know the old movies with John Wayne that he played well, but ONLY played. We thought by protecting other countries, everybody would be free…then years later, along comes these tent dwelling, camel riding, boy worshippers, who, realizing that civil rights worked pretty good for the blacks…jumped on the bandwagon…only with more sinister reasons. We are really loused up…we let our guard down, we have an open door policy and..soon..very ..soon you can be afraid, very afraid..when that mosque becomes “The Salvation Army” for the ill intent…God Bless America!