Strange…

Is this type of language supposed to encourage African Americans to vote Republican/Tea Party? 

Since more than anything else…

…it’s extremely offensive

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-palinization-of-the-gop/2011/11/18/gIQAd6gwZN_story.html

It’s funny how racism exists on a large scale America and yet, many conservative Americans deny it

let’s look at some facts

1) Slavery existed and slavery is worse than freedom. What family life can really exist during slavery? Do people like watching their father’s getting whipped or mother’s getting raped?

2) Housing segregation still exists today, and the net worth of whites is 20 times more than blacks. Poverty is the main problem of blacks. A poor man can not pay tuition fees and is more likely to misinformed. A poor person is more likely to be on welfare. The problem is not blacks, the problem is poverty.

The solution is for the government to build schools and complexes in the ghettos and poorer communities. The process of building provides jobs and schools provide education. A ghetto university might not have great standards but at least, a thug with the knowledge of demand and supply can feed himself and not rely on welfare

I dont know, maybe they think that slavery was cool. Hey, who doesnt like to watch their parents getting whipped by slave masters? the perfect 2-parent household?

…What African American wouldn’t proudly vote for a Party espousing those warmly held views?

Only Herman Cain…

Herman Cain of course.

It’s too bad the Family Leader does not realize it has been republican policies over the last three decades which have caused most of the problems they claim Obama created in the last three years.  But given the utter lack of quality candidates in the republican race this year it’s understandable they would try to create a new reality.

It is just lovely how buyble thumpers embrace slavery!

Yet don’t have the stones to admit it.

Yawn.. This is a sign of GOP malaise. Old old story and statement. It’s rehashed with all the effort of a group of people without any progressive leadership. A group of people who are blinded by 70-80s sitcoms. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bs7fJ6jAOVU&feature=youtube_gdata_player

This one would in a heart beat http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bs7fJ6jAOVU&feature=youtube_gdata_player

Why I could never be president.
I would take care of an issue that was somehow ignored in the mid 1800s after the Civil War. Initially the winners (the north) “occupied” the south to ensure the losers would behave with regard to the new freed citizens. Then a deal was arranged between southern democrats (modern GOP) and northern republicans (gone) to remove the occupation.
The rest of history is the celebration of confederate stuff that is akin to Europe allowing the celebration of Nazis. Oh wait the bigger difference is of course that we are talking about black people not Jews. Anyway, every step forward post-civil war has as an underbelly the acceptance of a group of people who are directly linked WITH PRIDE to a group of people who fought against America, AND LOST. Zero race related ignorant and unsubstantiated rhetoric from the “south” shocks me. What shocks me is that the winning side has yet to ever stand on its win and keep this group of anti-Americans under control. I’m very serious about all of this, and yet.. CAIN DANCE LOL

Slave children did have this to look forward to after all, from their benevolent white master:

http://www.spartacus.schoolnet.co.uk/USASwhipping.jpg

Are left wingers seriously this stupid?

It is an undeniable truth that black children born into slavery were more likely to have both a father and mother than black children growing up today. Only a complete simpleton (i.e. a liberal) would consider acknowledging that truth to be an endorsement of slavery. The point of making that comparison is to point out how bad things have truly become TODAY when it comes to the breakdown of the black family. Even during a time of great inhumanity like slavery the black family was able to remain intact. Conservatives are simply asking what is happening now to break apart that bond?

I swear to God………….liberals lack even the most basic reading comprehension skills. They are definitely not thinkers.

No, you haven’t read the article, the assertions in the Marriage Vow are false.

You should read history books dealing with slavery, before you make idiotic comments. You have no idea how wrong you are about slavery.

These white people who don’t know minority struggle kill me with their loose comparison’s to slavery or the experience of blacks, youth or otherwise. We should all stop comparing our current circumstances to slavery and the holocaust because nothing is similar to these two historical atrocities, nothing!

Nice job Skippy! (and you’d be surprised the number of pubs I say that to).1. The stupid marriage vow must be taking into consideration the “households” where mama was in the kitchen cooking and “daddy” was in the dining room with his real family.And the “black family” only remained intact if “daddy” didn’t sell them or sold them all together.

2. Context people. I’m sure a similarly flawed study would find that a white person in the 1800s was more like to be born to parents married to each other than today.

Yeesh, does Skippy really think we’re stupid enough to take his statements seriously.

”
GOP Debate Sponsor Said Black Children Worse Off Under Obama Than During Slavery”
Uh, no, they didn’t.  They said “Slavery had a disastrous impact on African-American families, yet sadly a child born into slavery in 1860 was more likely to be raised by his mother and father in a two-parent household than was an African American baby born after the election of the USA’s first African-American President.

This group seeks to “strengthen marriages through marriage mentoring and education”.  The group focuses on marriage and family.  

Tommy, why are you and the rest of the Mediaite family unable to simply present your left-wing viewpoint without flat out lying?  No reasonable person (that, of course, excludes you, Tommy) believes that black children were better off during slavery.  This group didn’t say that and I’m unaware of anyone who said that.  This group promotes marriage and their point, to those with the comprehension level of a 2nd grader, is that the black family structure is crumbling.

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1860 Republicans would disagree. They knew children and their parents could be sold off to different plantation owners any day of the week. They knew that the average life expectancy was just 21 years. They knew that one of 3 people crowed on to slave ships did not survive the trip.

Here’s that quote and another:

“A black child born today is less likely to be raised by both parents than a black child born during slavery. The recent disintegration of the African American family is due in large part to the mass imprisonment of black fathers.Slavery had a disastrous impact on African-American families, yet sadly a child born into slavery in 1860 was more likely to be raised by his mother and father in a two-parent household than was an African-American baby born after the election of the USA’s first African-American President.One is by a black person, the Ms. Alexander who’s so obsessed about “The New Jim Crow” so it’s okay while the other one is “pinata crazy.”Try looking up the phrase “double standard” and see what you come up with. Hint: it’s not a type of cigarette.

Obama is guilty of Black on Black crime.  He is keeping his people down.  He does what his masters in the DNC tell him to do. He’s so gay.

He thinks like a troglite.  He can’t help it.  Someday he will have to pay for his idiocy.

Here we go again, crazy rant from the crazy folks. I’d have suggested they ask their black neighbors, but alas they might have not met one, well except Herman Cain.

Allen West, Tim Scott, J.C. Watts, Mikey Mike Steele, Angela McGowan.  This is full of lawn jockey’s, house n!ggers, and uncle toms that would vote reTHUGlican.

Hey, jack ass, this was a problem long before 44 was President.  Since when have reTHUGlicans and their regressive allies give a damn about “Black” kids anyway other than using them to gin up fear and hat to win elections.  During slavery, I bet the kids liked watching their mom getting sexually battered by the master, which more times then not, stuck them with a half white mongrel half brother or sister.  During slavery, it was common place for the slaves to be sold off, which broke up the family unit that that bullshiite ogranization is praising. Anyone who thinks that slavery was good should let me enslave them.  After a few go arounds with their mom, their wives and their, after which I would celebrate by whipping the hell out of their fathers, I bet they’ll change their tune

I understand the difference and accurate language is better, still, the implication is certainly there. Didn’t they change the language of their statement after it received a negative reaction?
The comparison is just ignorant and an incredibly poor choice.   The implication that our first African American president is somehow responsible is also there and false.

I have serious doubts about what you call an undeniable truth. I also doubt you or they have done any serious research to verify it.

It was an incredibly poor choice for a comparison. BTW; Addressing a large diverse group as if they are all the same and share any trait, is something a simpleton would do. Your attempt to slam liberals only revealed your own ignorance.

You’re full of shit! Black men and women were sold and families were broken and destroyed. It was by all accounts a holocaust. I’m a black man, 52 years of age and as a young child I slept in bed with my Great Grandmother, the daughter of slaves. You’re a racist piece of shit. And the South will never rise again, but end up on the ash heap of history. You racist piece of shit.

And again your “projection” of your side’s inherent weaknesses (idiocy) and a disdain for education as an elitist liberal plot speaks volumes. Again, your stupidity and projection is glaringly apparent. Get thee over to Fox Nation where that shit sells.

That’s pretty nasty. At least as nasty as any conservative comment I’ve ever read. You’re not helping.

Have you ever heard about the “crab in the bucket” analogy when talking about how black liberals treat other blacks when they start to lean conservative?

He already pays for some Karmic mistake through the constant fact deprived personal attacks from the right wing digital mob who crowd his posts. My guess… He once let his dog crap on the neighbors lawn. Hopefuly he will pay that off and be free from the mindless carping.

And in the 21st century black families are destroyed and broken because black women are having children out of wedlock and black men are sent to prison – both at alarming rates. 

The groups pledge was to show how there has been a gradual breakdown in the black family unit …. 50% of black children grow up with only 1 parent and that issue has to be addressed. There is a reason the black family unit has broken down and ITS NOT ALL BECAUSE OF RACISM. STOP MAKING EXCUSES! 

God, can any of you liberals comprehend what you read?

Everyone knows that blacks were sold and families were destroyed during the horrible slavery era …. but the fact is that EVEN WITH the selling and death of slaves back in the 19th century, a higher percentage of black families had a mom and a dad than they do now.
In 2011, Only 50% of black families have 2 parents.. most children are raised by only 1 parent which causes developmental and psychological problems. Is there a reason for this or did it just ‘happen’ ? Ask yourself that liberals. 

Maybe, and you make decent points. Points that Tommy and the headline writer could have made without resorting to flat out lying.

Yes, the language was changed, out of appeasement as is most often the case.

That’s a lie from hell.  I’m an African-American man.  My DNA is around 25% European because along the line, a White slave owner raped one or more of my ancestors during slavery.  For you to say that the children of slaves were more likely to be raised in two parent homes, when chances were they didn’t even get to live with their biological parents, much less the obvious prospect of all three being sold off separately is an indefensible JOKE.

 –Cobra

And what does that have to do with the statement that Skippy made you asshat! I was raised by a single mom, and not on welfare. Suggesting that my Race was better off during slavery is RACIST. F-U for being so damn stupid you racist Southern piece of excrement!

The modern day prison complex is another racist institution, IMHO.  Something most White Conservatives support wholeheartedly.

–Cobra

You offer no statistics from slavery era.  NONE. Where’s your evidence?

–Cobra

We have our cultural problems and they are OURS to address. No one has denied that asshat. Claiming racism and the legacy of 400 years of systemic racism has no consequences is the height of ignorance at best-and sheet unalduterated stupidity at worst.

Right, because if a slave was married,her creepy old white owner wouldn’t mess with her!How you Teatards even get out of bed in the morning amazes me.Reading comp.?You guys go through life willfully ignoring simple basic facts.We had a founding father who raped, and fathered children with his slave.Who could really blame him,she was the HALF-SISTER of his dead wife.

Thats the thing krome they didn’t say the blacks were better off during slavery. They said that in that dark time the blacks managed to keep family together better than today and that failure is alarming. Liberals can’t think in complex terms it seems. What is ruining this country is we have become a sound bite society where everyone takes a complex issue and reduces it to a sound bite that can be twisted to mean what it never meant. Both sides. What do you think it means to the black race that today fewer children have two parents than they did under the worst time in black history? Sounds like your mom did right by you but how much better would it have been if she had a husband and you a father who loved you both and helped to make a healthier family unit. While she was not on welfare too many are. Why is it that the blacks are the one race to suffer the most from single parent families? Lots of complex answers, some of which come from the black community and not racism.  

Stop projecting on what we college educated liberals who your side calls “the elite” would say, do or think. We’re not the Nascar, Tractor-pull, WWE, Monster Truck Rally Crowd. YOU ARE! The South is stupid politically and has been an embarassment to the nation since before the civil war.

The poorest states, ARE IN THE SOUTH –which is dominated by the GOP.
The worst educated states ARE IN THE SOUTH — which is dominated by the GOP
The worst healthcare is IN THE SOUTH — which is dominated by the GOP
The worst dental care — you get my drift

Learn what psychological projection is and you’ll get my point. You suck! And has I stated in my previous post, YES WE HAVE PROBLEMS. BUT SYSTEMIC RACISM THAT LASTED WELL INTO THE 20TH CENTURY HAS CONSEQUENCES ON THE STATUS OF THE POPULATIONS VICITIMIZED BY IT YOU DOLT!

In the dark days of slavery when a slave didn’t have the right to marry and producing children only gave the master another slave to sell children still had better odds of growing up with two parents than they do today. Puts into prospective how badly the black community has it now. We are not giving the community the tools they need to prosper. Welfare is distroying not helping. The answer is not obvious.

Better to read your own post to see the best example of projection Krome. Your post doesn’t even address mine but you rant from your own racism and victumhood. I am sorry I posted to you as I should have read your other comments and realized you have the victum mentality and aren’t interested in truth.

We’ve been looking for a ‘black neighbor’ to put on our street, but you seem violent and crack addicted.

I hate to break it to you, but one of the first things slave owners did was break up slave families. 

‘The modern day prison complex’ KEEPS WHITE PEOPLE SAFER. Black pathologies are genetic, they will not be solved by money or white people.

Hello CosmicDupe! Liberal’s whom suffer from white guilt are NOT a diverse group. YOU ARE ALL WHITE.

Dear Muther Fukker,

I am your ‘white master’ and I order you to shut the fu ck up.

Holy fuuu  uuuuuck. Have you also been assaulting Caucasians with a black flash mob?

And don’t forget: these fools are “christians”.

‘statistics from slavery era’ are simply anything black people want to invent. Your problems are genetic, white guilt liberals cannot solve them.

Try looking up a phrase called “value system” and then apply it to success and failure within a culture and stop blaming people who have nothing to do with a thing for being villains. Black Americans voted for Obama to the tune of 95%: that shows an enormously different cultural world view from the rest of the country. Do you attribute that vote, that view, to white racism as well?

Even if we accept the accuracy of your statistics, how exactly is this Obama’s fault? These trends have been established over decades — and worsened because of the tax policies of the last thirty years that have redistributed the wealth to the upper incomes.

To lay this at the feet of Obama in any way, shape or form is absurd in the extreme.

No, Dan, it was primarily the fault of LBJ and the AFL-CIO who convinced Johnson to provide welfare for blacks to keep them out of the union work force.  Prior to the 60s most black families were intact.  When the free money started rolling in it destroyed an evolving black culture.  Fathers were no longer necessary.

It never ceases to amaze me that liberals make fun of “Uncle Tom’s Cabin”, having never read it.  Uncle Tom is one of the greatest heroes in American literature.  The book is so rich with multiple black dialects, and diverse groups of both black and white people, masters and abolitionists, good and bad.  When Lincoln met Stowe for the first time he said, “So this is the little lady who started the Civil War.”

The amount of research that went into this book, published in 1850, must have been a mountain of work.

The thing that is haunting to me is how in some segments of today’s black culture, little has changed. 

I thought that Obama might be able to make a difference.  It is clear to me that Obama is like so many other Democrats.  He only cares about his personal success.  The ends justify the means.

Yes Black men and women were sold and families were broken and destroyed during slavery. At that time the failure of the black family was the fault of being slaves. The question being asked now is why is it even worse now? Not worse in terms of the life of a black person but in terms of the family unit. Whos fault is it now that the black family is broken? Shouldn’t it be better now that they aren’t slaves? What is causing the distruction of the black family unit? If you refuse to even admit the problem then we can’t do anything about it so stop sticking your head in the sand so you can keep calling everyone racist but yourself. Its such an insidious problem when one is abused and then becomes a victum and the racist himself. When he is no longer abused he is a victum of his own past or his great grandmothers past. You can’t see the forest for the trees. You see racism everywhere you look expecially where there isn’t any and it makes you still a slave. How do we free you? We can’t, only you can. Stop being a victum.

A racist… how disgusting.

Racist.

um this problem he blames on the current Pres. Was a problem for decades, as an African American, just retired Col. in the USMC that served in Iraq. I’m glad I’m home to vote, this is one of the reason my race will never vote in big numbers for the Right or GOP. From Beck’s “Obama hates white people” to Coulter’s “Our blacks” to this & many many more vile comments from that side. Why would our race vote in large numbers for them? It’s also elected people too from Sen Blackburn’s staff mocking the Pres. in a racist email, to Con. King claiming the Pres. was not smart attend Harvard. The GOP is a dying party with only white voters give about 10-15 yrs this country will look less white & what will the GOP do? Continue to attempt to block my & others groups from voting or reaching out to these groups? Sorry to say I doubt they would reach out to me or others like me.

Your history is bad.  The con argument goes back much further and is virtually unchanged.
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/3/33/Freedman's_bureau.jpg

As an African American I know this gets thrown out a lot by conservatives but with all due respect let me call bullshit on this. In all my years I’ve never been in a conversation with another African American who actually used racism as reason not to do something or try something. Never in my life have I ever heard a black person blame a white person living today for anything other than current direct or indirect discrimination. We don’t typically blame whites today for slavery (as Rush Limbaugh once said Obama did) and we don’t blame whites who had nothing to do with Civil rights for that. We just don’t appreciate people acting as if 300 years of legal discrimination had nothing to do with the poverty rates and “value system” over the last 40 years.  And Yes, I’m speaking for almost every other African American I know.  One thing I have found is that many conservatives that I’ve talked to don’t talk to African Americans much least of all about issues of race, prejudice and race perception, these opinions are often formulated through stereotypes and second accounts. Not bitter, not Angry, just truth.

And your proof is an ancient racist political cartoon?

Genius
What is the releavance of the question to  the 7 dwarf trying to get nominated.   Comparing any family values of 1860′s to 2011 is like comparing the musket to the stealth fighter.   Whether you where a plantation owner or a slave family the same applies. The likelyhood of you coming from a 2 parent home was much greater in the 1860′s.  This is just a feeble attempt to draw the black voter into the conservative fold

It’s called a “primary document” in history, and it demonstrates the establishment of a meme that you were repeating. To locate the heart of the argument with Johnson ignores vital history while it serves lazy argumentation.

BS

Rick Perry and all the TEA/GOP/Republican candidates have
signed yet another pledge to Bob Vander Plaats after signing a pledge to Grover
Norquist(No taxes on the richest of the rich) signing away self control. The pledge advocates several issues,
including the Defense of Marriage Act, personal fidelity to the signee’s
spouse(Oops for Gingrich), appointment of “faithful constitutionalists” as
judges, and reformation of anti-marriage elements in divorce, tax and welfare
laws. All the pledges, these extreme TEA/GOP/Republican candidates sign, show they
are in cahoots with strange bed fellows on taking total control of every aspect
of American life. The first question that comes to mind is: Why is there a
greater allegiance towards and for people like Bob Vander Plaats and lobbyist
like Grover Norquist, than the American public or economy? These people are the
puppet-masters of the TEA/.GOP/Republican fringe! I would prefer a candidate
will Kahunas to be the candidate, rather than anyone’s puppet!

Why do you think voting districts are gerrymandered to look like spiders?  It’s the only way Republicans can hold political power in diverse populations.

–Cobra

Why do you think voting districts are gerrymandered to look like spiders?  It’s the only way Republicans can hold political power in diverse populations.

–Cobra

Well, that was certainly a factual, coherent and incredibly eloquent way of dealing with a viewpoint different to your own.

What exactly is BS about that person’s statement, sir ? Anything ? Nothing ? Please expand upon that otherwise offensive and rude remark.

Clever Girl. You just zoomed right past the point of that comment didn’t you ?

I hope your trolling. Or that you have a medical condition to back up your stupidity.

What sort of inherent “pathology” do you attribute to african-americans ? It appears you may be hinting at criminality, but out of respect I shall let you clarify.

Do you propose that other races have similar pathologies ? It was but a few hundred years ago that the Irish were painted as lazy dumb drunkards. Not only was that statement false, but it damaged the reputation of those peoples to no end.

But please, explain your state
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I was raised by a single mom.  And lest you jump on her memory, I will tell you my father died mid depression when I was 4.  Only a sad and deranged person could think of the selling of PEOPLE as the good old days.  And while you are at it, i note you did not use any states about white marriage disintegration.  Strange how one can make what sounds like a rational statement and still be so terrible wrong!  Besides, Of course you did leave out the appalling stats in white marriages also.   Hmmm, one just has to wonder why.  As a marriage counselor, I saw the ravage of families, both black and white.  Frankly, one has to throw poverty into that mix to be fair.

I thought that slavery was ended about the time of the revolution.  That’s what Michelle Bachmann told me…

And that’s the biggest problem, I think.

No one ever stops to have a conversation. People who are prejudiced against blacks (or any other minority, really) often form those opinions based on observation and second-hand accounts, not on engagement or immersion (often because they don’t even want to associate with black people). 

It’s just sad, really.

One more thing you do not understand.

I’m going to break this to you because I really think it’s in your best interest to know.

You have no mind reading abilities. You don’t know the motives of others as individuals or as a group. So please take off the hat you made from tinfoil and rabbit ears and take down your poster of Kreskin. It’s not real. Just in case you don’t think you’re a mind reader, I refer you to my response to your fellow simpleton.

and probably didn’t notice committing the same offense pointed out in the post.
fortunately I am a kindly soul and gently offered an explanation.

Better question is what part of his claim wasn’t BS.

sounds like an ignorant racist also.  Black people had absolutely no power to make statistics anything they wanted them to be by inventing them.  But nice try when you just got cornered.  Try reading a book on slavery every once in a while.  All written by white people by the way.  But you may find them helpful to get yourself up to speed and educated on this subject.

You said it far more succinctly than I did!

As a marriage counselor, I can tell you that sadly, that is also true of all children with few exceptions.  some Asian groups of families seem to be doing better but obviously I did not have enough stats on Asian families to make that claim with any certainty.

Too rational for this guy to get!

Your point would have an ‘itsy bitsy’ amount of actually being factual if you only mentioned that the statement is absolutely true of white families also.  That you make it a “blacks only” sort of statement gives your whole point a huge leak!  It simply loses it’s fairness point

Obviously far to logical for this person.  Facts are simply discounted lest he or she would have to change their minds and for some, that is anathema to their life style of hate and prejudice.  You know those pesky facts sometimes, just make one feel so dumb!

Actually, I have not heard anyone talking about being a victim.  But once again, nice bait and switch.  Try just sticking to the discussion without hurling these insults a mile a minute.  Just try to be rational about the facts and you will be a lot better off.  But I must admit, no group clings to their phobias like racists do.  It tends to ruin their lives because it so isolates them these days.  I can say, I truly feel sorry for you.  I trust you that you will get some help along the way someplace but I readily admit, this is not the forum for that, so Aloha and I will actually pray for you so that this hate meme is not so dangerously destructive in your life.  And now I am out of here.

Tommy that is a confusing post.
I’m not sure what it has to do with the specific topic of my post and what liberal mocked Uncle Tom’s cabin? I sure didn’t.

I appreciate the input and the information is interesting but it will take more than your post to convince me it’s accurate. It you have any links or suggested reading I’d love to see them.
My questions would be , are federal aide programs designed differently for black Americans than white?
If they aren’t then it’s hard to blame any discrepancy on them. 

I’m not sure what difference you thought Obama would or should make on that issue. He obviously entered office with a lot of huge problems to deal with. My guess is that some white citizens and black citizens expected him to pay more attention to the black community but probably in the direction of more federal benefits. So, I’m having a little trouble rasping what point you’re trying to make, what you’re blaming liberals for and how.

Like a what?? I looked up troglite and couldn’t find it.  Is it really a word? Did you mean
troglodyte?   It kinda takes a lot of the sting out of calling someone an idiot when you do it like that.

Thanks for the laugh though.

It wasn’t because they made a bad choice to begin with? You’re sure?

FTR: I agree that the heading was inaccurate and unbecoming a journalist. I can’t stand the reactionary headlines that are shown to be wrong when you read the content. It happens too often. That said, the church group had a lot of better ways to make their point. Their words were also a distortion and IMO not based in facts. Seriously, are they suggesting it’s better to be with both parents as slaves,than to be free with one parent? How do they make that determination?

How sweet of you to think of me in your prayers but the fact is you need them more than I do. Pray for some clarity and comprehension skills first I think. Of course no one admitted to playing the victim sweetheart. The saddest thing is they don’t even realize they are being a victim and have that victim mentality. It is so sad that you have no compassion for our black communities. Men father babies and leave the mother and child to fend for themselves going on to get other young woman pregnant. Mothers struggling to keep their young from joining gangs and getting shot. Sorry but you are the one in need of prayers but not nearly as much as do our black communities struggling with this issue. Might you consider joining me in prayer for our black communities that they find a way to heal the families?

Why is it always about more benefits for blacks and more money for teachers?  What we need is some responsible mentoring for black kids and some competition in the public schools.  Teaching is simply about subject knowledge and presentation skills.  It doesn’t need to be expensive.  Why is it that we continue to spend more and more on the teachers unions and our children’s competence continue to decline.  If my kid had had to stay in public schools he would have failed.  We put in a Catholic high school. Now he’s being recruited by about a dozen engineering schools.  Catholic teachers are paid less.

Ah, but you say they don’t have to deal with the poor kids.  Wrong, there are lots of poor kids. They just don’t put up with any crap or the are out.  Discipline and peer pressure along with competent teaching makes a big difference. 

I think they are referring to the children’s morals. I black child back then did not go around in his carriage and shoot rival gangs. Black child back then showed respect for his parents. A black child then was part of his community. No doubt slavery and the oppression that came with it was unjust.  Today, Instead of being slaves they are in jail. Dr. King never envisioned this. To me they are still slaves to the welfare state.  They are worse off today.

Should of stated democratic political leaders. They have used the black people for over 50 years for power. Take Clinton, things about black people he has been quoted as saying is no doubt racist. Yet in the public eye he praises the black people.

Funny if any of you think Michele Bachmann is a racists. Then you have not been doing your research on the woman. No doubt she is the most compassionate candidate that has ever ran for president. This woman wants everybody to be successful in life. Her premise is for everybody to be free to the extent that freedom does not take freedom from another.
Arguments on Abortion and gays are as follows:
Life begins at conception.
Being gay is a social life style and not an illness. So I see nothing wrong in her trying to help change the lifestyle of Gays.

These arguments have not been debunked. So they fit right in with the freedom premise.

Problems we have today is a result of what slave holders did back then to break down the black people. No doubt that slave holders had very little or none to do with the positive morals of the black family.

Is that the best response you could come up with? Riiight. I guess you know everything about African Americans, Please enlighten us.

People tiredofsoundbitepolitics are a major part of the problem because they already have their minds made up and no ammount of reason or logic can tell them other wise. So they wan’t have a conversation because they already know everything there is to know.

Once again Tommy , I have no idea what this has to do with this thread or my original post. But no matter,  You say more benefits for blacks. Do you have any specific examples of welfare benefit programs aimed specifically at our black citizens.
I think you’re mistaken about teaching. Most teachers start work at low wages with a lot of student debt.
Part of it is the quality of the schools, the quality of the teachers, but also the parents themselves. Kids need direction and discipline as well as some love and encouragement. If they can’t get it at home we hope the school or the community can help provide it.
I’ve seen how families treat welfare. Some use it as a stepping stone to do better. Some game the system. I think we can improve how welfare operates so a larger % are encouraged to use it as a temporary  stepping stone. It’s a big problem that needs addressing. We won’t be able to do that adequately in this thread. Social programs to help the needy, to provide an opportunity for education are what a civilized society does, but we’re human and make mistakes. These programs have to be examined and evaluated to improve their efficiency and the results.

“Slave marriages had neither legal standing nor protection from the
abuses and restrictions imposed on them by slaveowners. Slave husbands
and wives, without legal recourse, could be separated or sold at their
master’s will. Couples who resided on different plantations were allowed
to visit only with the consent of their owners. Slaves often married
without the benefit of clergy, and as historian John Blassingame states,
“the marriage ceremony in most cases consisted of the slaves simply
getting the master’s permission and moving into a cabin together.””

http://www.archives.gov/publications/prologue/2005/spring/freedman-marriage-recs.html

 Keep it coming, Mo Fo.  Truth douses any crosses you try to light in here.

–Cobra

Ok.  You profess to understand all this. Explain Congressional District 12 in North Carolina.

http://blackpoliticalbuzz.blogspot.com/2010/12/north-carolinas-history-of-illegal.html

–Cobra

I never knew of the silver lining in slavery, which must have been the reason why the Christians of the South defended it so vehemently, for the kids.  It’s like the silver lining they see in the mushroom cloud over Israel, the second coming.  Thanks for enlightening us all Mr. History.

***Breaking News that none of the mainstream media is touching on right now: Today George W. Bush and Tony Blair were found guilty of war crimes for fabricated intell of WMDs and the death of over 1mill Iraqis since 2003. Just google it if you’re interested in hearing what the media doesn’t want you to know! Still want to go into Iran without any proof!!?