Rather confusing account. One person posing as three? And two of them pretending to be underage? Was it perhaps a sting operation? Or a hoax? Someone looking for their fifteen minutes of fame? Frankly, it was difficult to sort out in reading it. Will there be further digging by reporters into the identities?

Interesting. Good restraint on Breitbart and Christopher’s part.

Still doesn’t change the fact that Weiner would follow a 16 year old who wanted to go to prom with him.

It’s also interesting that the New York Times reported this as soon as Mediaite did, if not sooner. How long did it take them to report on Weinergate?

The only thing that stands out here is the repeated insistence that Tommy Christopher did nothing wrong. CYA much?

BTW, how on earth does anyone with common sense print that supposed letter from “Betty’s mom” where she actually brought up the porn star and claimed to read that very blog with her daughter? That didn’t set off your BS detector at all? Really? REALLY?

turk281 said:
Still doesn’t change the fact that Weiner would follow a 16 year old who wanted to go to prom with him.

The OP says “Betty” tweeted the “weineryes” hashtag, which was a request for a reciprocating follow.

turk281 said:
Interesting. Good restraint on Breitbart and Christopher’s part.

Still doesn’t change the fact that Weiner would follow a 16 year old who wanted to go to prom with him.

It’s also interesting that the New York Times reported this as soon as Mediaite did, if not sooner. How long did it take them to report on Weinergate?

Yes, that’s what came across.
On the other hand, Joan Walsh at Salon was absolutely ludicrous in her attacks on Breitbart and her defense of Weiner. She ended up tarnishing her reputation (what little there was of it.) Same goes for the DailyKos, which is nothing more than a propaganda outlet and a breeding ground for conspiracy theories anyway. No one takes that site seriously when it comes to reportage.

Colby. I could have missed. But seems you did not properly ID who “Preston” is in the Post before just mentioning her by last name. I know Who Jennifer Preston is. Maybe some readers don’t. Sure Preston would like proper h/t

Disclaimer I may have missed.

slickerwick said:
Yes, that’s what came across.
On the other hand, Joan Walsh at Salon was absolutely ludicrous in her attacks on Breitbart and her defense of Weiner. She ended up tarnishing her reputation (what little there was of it.) Same goes for the DailyKos, which is nothing more than a propaganda outlet and a breeding ground for conspiracy theories anyway. No one takes that site seriously when it comes to reportage.

Yeah, Tommy’s pretty trustworthy in the fact department, I just usually disagree with him in the opinion department.

But Walsh may be one of the worst around. She is as reckless with facts as a DailyKos diarist, except she’s given a platform on cable news and Salon.

I think you owe Markos Moulitsas an apology for accusing him of not protecting these girls’ identities, because you didn’t know who they were and got your facts wrong, and then wrote up an entire article calling him out He isn’t part of this story and you tried to make him part of it through your mistakes, frankly.

da-wdc said:
I think you owe Markos Moulitsas an apology for accusing him of not protecting these girls’ identities, because you didn’t know who they were and got your facts wrong, and then wrote up an entire article calling him out He isn’t part of this story and you tried to make him part of it through your mistakes, frankly.

That’s not the way it works. You don’t recklessly throw out info on underage girls, then wait to see if they’re imposters.

Although I’m sure that’s gonna be the new meme running at Kos.

Congratulations Colby and all of your fellow journalists, on a wonderfu,l insightful, hard hitting piece of journalism, Hard, in depth, work that uncovered, what I’m sure will be, the story of the century. Bravo!, Pulitzers for everyone. So where are you young Woodward and Bernsteins off to next? Possibly some Washington D.C. brothel. Who knows whose name will show up there? Don’t forget to scour Twitter, Myspace and Facebook. I realize this is tedious work, but it is important work, work that must not be neglected. It is the type of work that will lead to the highest journalistic honors, ever bestowed. Hey has anyone looked into Tiger Woods lately? Maybe the “rehab” didn’t take. And what about the brothels in Louisana? Sure you caught Vitter, in D.C,. but who knows maybe he just changed his base of operation, closer to home. You could always do follow up pieces on Ensign, Sanford and Lee. You know, sort of a, “Where are they now” piece. I’m sure there are a couple of Pulitzers buried in those stories. When it comes to reporting about raising the debt celing or pictures of Congressmen in compromising positions, it’s a no brainer. I am a little disappointed though. I still don’t know what Newt dropped half a mill on, at Tifany’s. Could someone get on that? I used to bartend and when the economy went south, our business went through the roof. I realize that in these difficult times, you are providing the public an important service. People who are suffering don’t want to hear about what Congress is or isn’t doing, they want the real important news, like… Where was Obama really born? How many wives does Newt actually have? And how they can get 8 by 10 glossys of Anthony’s twitters? No one wants to hear that depressing “ship”, they want comedy relief. And that is where you journalists come in. Taking our minds off the foreclosure proceedings. No, the Pulitzer falls woefully short in honoring our journalists, you should be in line for the Nobel Peace Prize.

Bruce Kennedy said:
Congratulations Colby and all of your fellow journalists, on a wonderfu,l insightful, hard hitting piece of journalism, Hard, in depth, work that uncovered, what I’m sure will be, the story of the century. Bravo!, Pulitzers for everyone. So where are you young Woodward and Bernsteins off to next? Possibly some Washington D.C. brothel. Who knows whose name will show up there? Don’t forget to scour Twitter, Myspace and Facebook. I realize this is tedious work, but it is important work, work that must not be neglected. It is the type of work that will lead to the highest journalistic honors, ever bestowed. Hey has anyone looked into Tiger Woods lately? Maybe the “rehab” didn’t take. And what about the brothels in Louisana? Sure you caught Vitter, in D.C,. but who knows maybe he just changed his base of operation, closer to home. You could always do follow up pieces on Ensign, Sanford and Lee. You know, sort of a, “Where are they now” piece. I’m sure there are a couple of Pulitzers buried in those stories. When it comes to reporting about raising the debt celing or pictures of Congressmen in compromising positions, it’s a no brainer. I am a little disappointed though. I still don’t know what Newt dropped half a mill on, at Tifany’s. Could someone get on that? I used to bartend and when the economy went south, our business went through the roof. I realize that in these difficult times, you are providing the public an important service. People who are suffering don’t want to hear about what Congress is or isn’t doing, they want the real important news, like… Where was Obama really born? How many wives does Newt actually have? And how they can get 8 by 10 glossys of Anthony’s twitters? No one wants to hear that depressing “ship”, they want comedy relief. And that is where you journalists come in. Taking our minds off the foreclosure proceedings. No, the Pulitzer falls woefully short in honoring our journalists, you should be in line for the Nobel Peace Prize.

Why don’t you try the Associated Press or Reuters if you want breaking news? You’re on Mediaite. It’s supposed to report on what’s in the news.

I assume you kicked around The New York Times for penning a 2400 front page article on a McCain affair that never happened? MSNBC for not reporting on awful job numbers and focused on the Sarah Palin Email dump?

turk281 said:
Why don’t you try the Associated Press or Reuters if you want breaking news? You’re on Mediaite. It’s supposed to report on what’s in the news.

I assume you kicked around The New York Times for penning a 2400 front page article on a McCain affair that never happened? MSNBC for not reporting on awful job numbers and focused on the Sarah Palin Email dump?

I realized I got a little carried away, and forgot where I was. Guilty as charged! My bad. You are absolutely correct.

turk281 said:
That’s not the way it works. You don’t recklessly throw out info on underage girls, then wait to see if they’re imposters.

He didn’t throw out info recklessly. What little info there was, was apparently posted in a diary on that site, where hundreds of diaries are posted daily and anyone can post them. He asked for proof before taking down any content and he was right to not take it down without proof, because Mediaite got the story wrong.

I don’t care if you don’t like him. For what it’s worth, I don’t really like his site and believe it encourages groupthink especially on big issues and during elections, and I think they embarrassed themselves in their meeting with the White House spokesman today. But Mediate tried to drag him into this personally by making accusations that weren’t true. And I just think it’s wrong for you to have put up headlines accusing him of not caring whether minors are harmed when you didn’t even have your facts straight. It read like some kind of ploy to find a liberal target to attack so you can gain some cred with the right.

Ethel turned out to be a real teenager who interacted with both Weiner and Betty on twitter.

“The information in the report was based on extensive email and telephone contact with these sources,”

Question: If Mr. Christopher had “extensive telephone contact with these sources” then wouldn’t he have known it was the same person? Did he really speak to more than one person on the phone?

Gawd, I knew those statements were BS. I didn’t believe the statements by Betty, Veronica or Betty’s parents. They did not ring true, at all. I didn’t think they were fake personas, but I was not buying what they were selling.

Since Betty, her parents and Veronica were fake people, created with the intent to trap Weiner, why were their statements extremely pro-Weiner?

Who wrote their statements? Why did the statements defend Weiner?

Yikes.

http://leestranahan.com/about-mediaites-explanation-of-their-fiasco

I read those tweets between Tommy and others; lots of foul language and defensiveness over his story. I’m surprised Colby didn’t link to them for the purposes of completeness in trying to defend mediaite’s reportage.

I appreciated Tommy’s story about Breitbart, but this sentence confuses me:

“motivated by telling the absolute truth, regardless if it exonerated Rep. Weiner’s role in the scandal, or Andrew Breitbart”

Are you saying that Weiner was exonerated? He lied, cheated, etc. and you claim he was exonerated? Breitbart was exonerated by Tommy, but not Weiner…..or am I just misreading it? (Could be, I have only had one cup of coffee so far).

PS: If Tommy’s tweets were printed here in the posters section, he would be banned for foul language, for sure.

sarainitaly said:
Yikes. http://leestranahan.com/about-mediaites-explanation-of-their-fiasco

Yikes is right.

sarainitaly said:
Since Betty, her parents and Veronica were fake people, created with the intent to trap Weiner, why were their statements extremely pro-Weiner? Who wrote their statements? Why did the statements defend Weiner?

It could be that the one behind the B&V characters was originally just jerking the strings of the two twitter guys.
When the Weiner photo that was posted to them went viral when Breitbart got involved the game got out of control so the B&V lie was created.

I can’t help but wonder, now, if the desire to hide Betty and Veronica’s identities was so much a desire to protect the girls, or to protect Weiner. Protecting them so fiercely made it very difficult for others to confirm their roles in the story, or validate their identities.

In the grand scheme of things, B&V were irrelevant to Weiner’s downfall, but TC went to great lengths to protect them….and they were fake.

Rio said:
It could be that the one behind the B&V characters was originally just jerking the strings of the two twitter guys.
When the Weiner photo that was posted to them went viral when Breitbart got involved the game got out of control so the B&V lie was created.

Were the created just to mess with Patriot and Stack, or to trap Weiner, or to frame Breitbart/Conservatives?

The most obvious scenario is that they were someone who knew something about Weiner’s online pervy behavior, and tried to trap him. But, that doesn’t explain the complete and total Weiner defense in their statements.

The more “inside” information I read about this the more confused I am. It will be interesting to find out the end of the story – who, why? Especially the why?

Christopher ran with lies, made excuses that tested the reason of anybody with an IQ of 80. Best one was that Yankee analogy until he found out Weiner was a Met fan.Instead of getting the facts straight Mediaite ran one article after another with possible scenerios giving Weiner the benefit of doubt. Trying to make me believe that the race baiting Christopher was trying to protect Breitbart is a joke.You state he ran this to prevent harm. I don’t remember him feeling that way when he ran that story of the ”n” word being thrown around after health care was passed. No proof, just his gut feeling. No harm done there meddiaite? Still haven’t answered who schooled the girls and their parents.

Discussion about this, on blogtalk radio with Stranahan, Ace and Breitbart.
http://leestranahan.com/blog-talk-radio-on-weinergate

sarainitaly said:
Were the created just to mess with Patriot and Stack, or to trap Weiner, or to frame Breitbart/Conservatives? The most obvious scenario is that they were someone who knew something about Weiner’s online pervy behavior, and tried to trap him. But, that doesn’t explain the complete and total Weiner defense in their statements.

Might not have been trying to trap him, just getting a kick out of what they were getting from Weiner and being in the middle of the Patriot and Stack vs Weiner thing. All fun and games until the scandal broke and the control of the ongoing manipulation of the two guys was lost. Thinking the lie could continue was a bit of chutzpah in the face of hungry reporters.

the more i think about this, the more i don’t believe the people who wrote the statements (claiming to be B&V, and parents), if they are the same people who were DM’ing with Patriot and Stack, had intentions to frame or set up Weiner.

Their statements just don’t support that theory.

Per that radio show with Stranahan, he said TC hinted that he wrote the statements based on numerous convos with Betty’s family.

Is that true? Did TC write them?

If he did, that might explain the inconsistencies in this scenario. IF they were intending to set up Weiner, they weren’t supporting Weiner with their statements because TC fabricated their statements….?

Either that, or they were not trying to frame Weiner, but set up someone else….?

Rio said:
Might not have been trying to trap him, just getting a kick out of what they were getting from Weiner and being in the middle of the Patriot and Stack vs Weiner thing. All fun and games until the scandal broke and the control of the ongoing manipulation of the two guys was lost. Thinking the lie could continue was a bit of chutzpah in the face of hungry reporters.

if so, that’s pretty good luck on their part – claiming to have private DMs between Weiner and young women, and they really did exists….

Until I had more information, I acted on the belief that these were minor children, at risk of harm.”

What harm is that, exactly?

Colby, I wonder if you would have handled Mediaite’s lies and misrepresentations the same way if it came from a competitor or a significant news source.Seems to me you’re defending Christopher for butchering a story. The trashtalking troll T.C. can’t defend himself on this one.

sarainitaly said:
the more i think about this, the more i don’t believe the people who wrote the statements (claiming to be B&V, and parents), if they are the same people who were DM’ing with Patriot and Stack, had intentions to frame or set up Weiner. Their statements just don’t support that theory. Per that radio show with Stranahan, he said TC hinted that he wrote the statements based on numerous convos with Betty’s family. Is that true? Did TC write them? If he did, that might explain the inconsistencies in this scenario. IF they were intending to set up Weiner, they weren’t supporting Weiner with their statements because TC fabricated their statements….? Either that, or they were not trying to frame Weiner, but set up someone else….?

This was Tommy’s wet dream come true until he woke up and found Helen Thomas next to him.

sarainitaly said:
if so, that’s pretty good luck on their part – claiming to have private DMs between Weiner and young women, and they really did exists….

Well, if my theory pans out the Kos Kids and Gateway will be loaded for bear because they were both slammed for posting the “ficticious” names. Might want to check GP. I don’t have time, my 3 year old great-grandson spent the night and he wants to go out in my gardens and hunt spiders and bugs. We’ve been working on his fear of insects for months so this is an opportunity we can’t miss out on. We’ll on the hunt, all have a nice day!

Rio said:
both slammed for posting the “ficticious” names.

definitely think they have room to be upset about how they were *attacked*.

have a fun day with the kidlets!

“Even in hindsight,” Christopher continues, “the decision to run the story did not create harm, and did, in fact, prevent harm. As a journalist and a parent, I’m not sure what I would have done differently.”

You ran around the internet accusing Hoft & Moulitsas of child endangerment. And it wasn’t true. That’s harmful.

Good grief. This is what the new internet “media” gets us. Confirming sources’ identities based on … what? Fake IDs, emailed to you? Apparently a real “journalist” had no problem uncovering the truth. Maybe you guys should just stick with what you’re good at: posting links to stories with a brief summary. Forget the “investigative journalism” stuff if you’re not going to do it right.

sarainitaly said:
Per that radio show with Stranahan, he said TC hinted that he wrote the statements based on numerous convos with Betty’s family.

Is that true? Did TC write them?

If true that TC wrote, then that should be a big problem for TC. In Tommy’s B+V post, TC was explicit:

“Betty’s mother sent me the following statement” —– The audio from that night where Stranahan thought he heard TC state he wrote was bad. Tommy and Colby should clear up. TC wrote on behalf of sources statements or statements were given.

It’s a BUG deal to know. Mediaite claiming to be open and transparent about this. This part should be cleared up.

I don’t fault Tommy for his initial post on B+V. Other than if Tommy AND Colby (Colby editing) knew about the B+V post discrepancies they were about to post. If they did not see those discrepancies in their haste or noticed them but did not acknowledge them or explain them in that post.

Almost immediately however, BOTH Tommy and Colby were asked to reinvestigate B+V post discrepancies and both Tommy and Colby both refused. Stating those discrepancies were self evident and good reasons to still believe their stories to be true.

In hindsight, those many people asking for reinvestigation were not only seeking truth but also trying to “help” Tommy.

They were too defensive for too long and ignored. IMO

Up to 3 nights ago on a radio show. Tommy was still defending the B+V post and their discrepancies. Colby could have done much more to defend Tommy’s position as well. IMO

I would not be surprised if B&V turn out to be just like the Syrian Lesbian story. Middle aged men masquerading as young girls. Hmmmm, interesting.

seek said:
The more “inside” information I read about this the more confused I am. It will be interesting to find out the end of the story – who, why? Especially the why?

Tommy can answer the question but he needs to protect his sources. The same source or sources who manufactured all these misstruths, using professional integrity as a lame excuse. Truth is Tommy needs to come clean like Weiner. Problem with Tommy is you’ll need a hammer and chisel to scrape the truth out of him.

Wow. This entire thing is to me a scam nonstory story. I mean, WHO CARES? If the FBI or *da peeps* ran a sting on Weiner (which is what the implication is in the NYT story, that a conservative group tried to run their own sting on Weiner), either way, nobody forced Weiner to take those photos and send them out.

Seems like the only question left here is: is Colby trying to cover Tommy’s butt OR stir up even more Left v. Right crap about this? Or, hey, I guess he could be doing both!

Yawn! Move on, people, please!

Serious question: Why wasn’t someone called to verify the drivers license before TMZ…I mean…Mediate ran with this BS?

When this whole stupid, sordid Weiner episode started in what seems like years ago, I initially supported Weiner because I, 1)realized that the rightwingers detested Weiner more than most any other Congressperson, and, 2)a guy like Weiner, with such a sterling voting record could not possibly do something as idiotic as sending out ludicrous photos and sexting with strangers. Well, I was right about the former and wrong about the latter.
The Right is at war with themselves and the world, that is the liberal, middle of the road people who really dominate in numbers in this country and most of the advanced industrial world, most of which are social democracies. It’s a losing cause because most of their attacks are futile, even when deserved in the case of Weiner, who is best off retiring from the current political scene and contemplating his moronic juvenile behavior.
My question, my eternal question to rightwingers is: amidst all your denunciations of Obama and Liberals, what do you have to offer to help raise our economy and culture. The ideas and statements put forth by your leaders, whether its Boehner, Palin, Gingrich, Murdoch, Limbaugh, Bachmann, etc aren’t even worth discussing and if you think the American people are going to elect even ‘moderates’ like Romney or Huntsman, you are sadly mistaken. When Bush II was elected he brought in a crowd of immature, unprofessional people who literally ran our country into the ground. Never again! It’s unfortunate you’re still angry and upset that the world isn’t to your liking. Again, what concrete steps do you have to make us better other than your obstructive nay saying and hyper attack mode as seen with Weiner.

Bruce Kennedy said:
Congratulations Colby and all of your fellow journalists, on a wonderfu,l insightful, hard hitting piece of journalism, Hard, in depth, work that uncovered, what I’m sure will be, the story of the century. Bravo!, Pulitzers for everyone. So where are you young Woodward and Bernsteins off to next? Possibly some Washington D.C. brothel. Who knows whose name will show up there? Don’t forget to scour Twitter, Myspace and Facebook. I realize this is tedious work, but it is important work, work that must not be neglected. It is the type of work that will lead to the highest journalistic honors, ever bestowed. Hey has anyone looked into Tiger Woods lately? Maybe the “rehab” didn’t take. And what about the brothels in Louisana? Sure you caught Vitter, in D.C,. but who knows maybe he just changed his base of operation, closer to home. You could always do follow up pieces on Ensign, Sanford and Lee. You know, sort of a, “Where are they now” piece. I’m sure there are a couple of Pulitzers buried in those stories. When it comes to reporting about raising the debt celing or pictures of Congressmen in compromising positions, it’s a no brainer. I am a little disappointed though. I still don’t know what Newt dropped half a mill on, at Tifany’s. Could someone get on that? I used to bartend and when the economy went south, our business went through the roof. I realize that in these difficult times, you are providing the public an important service. People who are suffering don’t want to hear about what Congress is or isn’t doing, they want the real important news, like… Where was Obama really born? How many wives does Newt actually have? And how they can get 8 by 10 glossys of Anthony’s twitters? No one wants to hear that depressing “ship”, they want comedy relief. And that is where you journalists come in. Taking our minds off the foreclosure proceedings. No, the Pulitzer falls woefully short in honoring our journalists, you should be in line for the Nobel Peace Prize.

Thanks for the rant, (not that I read it all) maybe you can explain Obama’s Nobel Peace prize with as much insight as you have displayed here.

ganymede said:
My question, my eternal question to rightwingers is: amidst all your denunciations of Obama and Liberals, what do you have to offer to help raise our economy and culture.

Merely by DEFEATING Obama and rendering most DEMs who are progressivies/socialists/communists IRRELEVANT will help raise our economy and culture!

SlipperyPete said:
The only thing that stands out here is the repeated insistence that Tommy Christopher did nothing wrong. CYA much?

BTW, how on earth does anyone with common sense print that supposed letter from “Betty’s mom” where she actually brought up the porn star and claimed to read that very blog with her daughter? That didn’t set off your BS detector at all? Really? REALLY?

Yep, I commented many times to Tommy that I didn’t believe his Betty and Veronica!

mlb said:
Thanks for the rant, (not that I read it all) maybe you can explain Obama’s Nobel Peace prize with as much insight as you have displayed here.

It’s ok. There’s nothing to be ashamed of, just because you can’t read. There are Adult classes all over the U.S. that will help you learn. And btw, don’t worry about Obama’s Nobel prize, I can guarantee you, you will never get one. So concentrate on things you actually have a chance of controlling, like your inability to read.

Question for Tommy/Colby:

Colby writes:
“In reporting this story, Christopher sought and gathered information in a professional and responsible manner. Most of the material facts that these sources provided to Christopher (direct messages, accounts of Twitter exchanges)”

Would this include the apparent “Auto” DM to Betty from Weiner? No “sources” to protect.

Multiple statements from people involved in this story have indicated they received and “Auto DM” from Weiner once they followed. Weiner himself stated probably as such.

Much has been written they have not seen to this point any evidence of any “Auto DM” generated from those who followed Weiner AND Weiner followed back.

If Mediaite can corroborate they saw evidence of Auto DM from Weiner in Tommy’s research, goes long ways to eliminate “theories” of why multiple people claimed Auto DM.

Mediate countered speculation by highlighting alternate fact patterns and all of our reporting we stand by.

Even the stuff that we told you that turns out to be 100% pure bullshit. Yep, we stand right by it. Or behind it, or something. Because that’s how we roll.

And Mediaite’s Tommy Christopher did the yeoman’s work of tireless reporting to get to the bottom of the story, motivated by telling the absolute truth, regardless if it exonerated Rep. Weiner’s role in the scandal, or Andrew Breitbart, who broke the story, only to be rewarded with countless attacks and unfair assertions that he was behind some sort of grand conspiracy. Turns out that there now appears to be some sort of conspiracy at play, but not the one we (and many others) had originally thought.

Heckuva job, Xtophy!

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When this whole stupid, sordid Weiner episode started in what seems like years ago, I initially supported Weiner because I, 1)realized that the rightwingers detested Weiner more than most any other Congressperson, and, 2)a guy like Weiner, with such a sterling voting record could not possibly do something as idiotic as sending out ludicrous photos and sexting with strangers. Well, I was right about the former and wrong about the latter.
The Right is at war with themselves and the world, that is the liberal, middle of the road people who really dominate in numbers in this country and most of the advanced industrial world, most of which are social democracies. It’s a losing cause because most of their attacks are futile, even when deserved in the case of Weiner, who is best off retiring from the current political scene and contemplating his moronic juvenile behavior.
My question, my eternal question to rightwingers is: amidst all your denunciations of Obama and Liberals, what do you have to offer to help raise our economy and culture. The ideas and statements put forth by your leaders, whether its Boehner, Palin, Gingrich, Murdoch, Limbaugh, Bachmann, etc aren’t even worth discussing and if you think the American people are going to elect even ‘moderates’ like Romney or Huntsman, you are sadly mistaken. When Bush II was elected he brought in a crowd of immature, unprofessional people who literally ran our country into the ground. Never again! It’s unfortunate you’re still angry and upset that the world isn’t to your liking. Again, what concrete steps do you have to make us better other than your obstructive nay saying and hyper attack mode as seen with Weiner.

First off gany, before any concrete steps can be taken, you have to start being honest. The left wing took Weiner down, not the right. We are not the mad, out of control people – the left is. This is proven daily. So, to your more profound deep question on “where do we go from here”.

The left had ample time to work on fixing the problems – for political reasons they refused to touch them. They didn’t need the right for anything – they had it all in their own hands. The right got in in January and immediately started addressing the issues The left laughed at Ryan’s plan and their basic posturing on the plan was it was so bad we are not even addressing it – so where is your plan? Does this all ring a bell with you ganny? Like Charles Krauthammer stated to Thomas – the right had a plan and even Thomas (who’s supposed to know better) did his silly posturing until Krauthammer smacked him down. Now, do you understand? Adults don’t say “don’t like you plan so I’ll pretend you never submitted it” – no, they take the plan and discuss what they don’t like, changes that might work, compromises etc. That’s what responsible people do. The left has not done this.

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