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Paul Krugman And Tom Friedman Are Fed Up: ‘Obama Has Had No Vision’

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by Glynnis MacNicol | 3:21 pm, September 5th, 2010

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Is this going to result in further calls for drug tests from Robert Gibbs? I think it’s safe to say when one speaks of the “professional left” Paul Krugman and Tom Friedman are at the top of many people’s list. And if this morning’s This Week panel was anything to go by they are very, very angry.

As angry and prolific and hyperbolic as the Tea Party has been this past year, and as much as the White House has been running scared from Glenn Beck in recent months, I’m not sure there’s anything scarier than an hardcore Liberal turned angry. First up, Paul Krugman, who has been critical of President Obama before but perhaps not in such stark terms: This morning he accused Obama of having no vision.

But what is true on all of this is that Obama has had no vision. He has not articulated a philosophy. What is Obama’s philosophy of government? He wobbles between sounding kind of like a liberal. Then he says, well, the conservatives have some points, too. He concedes the message.

There’s never been anything like what Reagan did, which was to say, “We’ve been on the wrong track. We’re going to follow a very different track. That’s going to change things. You need to, you know, support us in this.”

Shortly thereafter Tom Friedman jumped on board declaring that Obama had “over-read his mandate”

Look, I’m for more health care. I’m glad we’ve extended it to more Americans. But the fact is, there is a real, I think, argument for the case that Obama completely over-read his mandate when he came in.

He was elected to get rid of one man’s job, George Bush, and get the rest of us jobs. I think that was the poor thing. And by starting with health care and not making his first year the year of innovation, expanding economy and expanding jobs, you know, I think, looking back, that was a political mistake.

And then stated that the Obama administration communicates worse than any administration Friedman has ever seen since he came to Washington.

I think it is fair. You know, one of the criticisms certainly I’ve had — and many others have had — this is not, I think, original — there’s been no narrative to this administration. To me, I think Barack Obama was elected for one thing, which I’m not sure he ever fully understood, to do nation-building at home, to do nation-building in America…There’s never been a unifying message. I’ve worked here since 1989. I personally — just as a reporter, a columnist in Washington — have never seen a worse communicating administration, just at the basic, technical level of, “Hey, we’ve got a good plan. You know, maybe someone out there would be interested in writing about it,” not since I’ve been to Washington.

Unlike much of the hollering on the right these past few months, this is not the sort of criticism that the Obama administration can easily brush away with accusations of election rhetoric. Whether or not he takes it seriously remains to be seen. But it is rather mind-boggling to hear two stalwarts of the left (per some commenters, agreed Friedman less so than Krugman, but still striking to hear him criticize Obama in such stark terms) accuse a president who swept into office on a wave of national euphoria of being both a bad communicator and someone who lacks vision. Apparently we were not the ones we’ve been waiting for? Watch below.

barack obama, Christiane Amanpour, Midterms 2010, Paul Krugman, This Week, Tom Friedman

Arkansas Steve

President Obama has vision. It just happens to be 20/400.
http://gordonbloyershow.com gordonbloyershow

Krugman and Friedman are so far left they aren’t on the field. Neither has a clue. Obama is a disaster because he fooled the people. When the people found out he was a socialist his days were numbered. If he listened to these two clowns the White House would be surrounded by an army of people with torches and pitchforks.
fill32162

Our illustrious leader has a vision colored by academia not reality.
Azarkhan

Tom Friedman and Paul Krugman–the Tweedledee and Tweedledumb of left-wing economics.
jk76

BOOM implosion

Paul “The Goblin” Krugman – wow, he must have taken his meds. he’s so calm

Obama isn’t anything to the right, he’s only a liberal. Bad communication? sure, but remember he’s a community organizer not a politician, which is why there’s constant townhalls (or alteast there was) and numerous speeches. Then he got played out just like every other celeb. I have no idea what he’s going to do, my hunch is to try to use the broadest US Constitution he can to do a few more things as well as take a victory lap when the economy gets better cause it’s cyclical. He also seems to be going back to his globalism like the campaign days.

Not a fan, but not a racist bigot homophobe xenophobe sexist ignorant etc.
ImJustThatDamnGood

If Obama listened to the liberals the economy would be in a better state. We need a true blood liberal in the White House… Hillary 2012
Skysaxon

Friedman part of ‘professional left’? You must be kidding. Here’s the guy for whom a phrase was invented for his lust to prolong the Iraq war in six month intervals, called the ‘Friedman Unit’. A huge early booster of George Bush and a cheerleader for the neocons, Friedman is so right wing he belongs on National Review not the Times. I suppose the author is making this mistake because Friedman is considered an ‘intellectual’ who uses big words and publishes wordy tomes. The right often attributes intelligent people – or those who appear to be intelligent – with the left. Yeah, thoughtful people usually are liberals but that does not include Friedman. Being an intellectual does not make one intelligent.
felixw

No one wants to be associated with Obama’s economic policy. Even guys like Krugman and Friedman — who many people would see as closely connected to the Presidents approach — want to distance themselves from the disaster in D.C. Remember the Berkeley professor who resigned from the President’s team of economic advisers a few week’s ago? (Then again, you wouldn’t have heard about that on MSNBC or CNN or CBS, so maybe you don’t know about it.) That was an early warning sign. But everyone now has caught the disease. If you are an economist, being linked to Obama’s policies could destroy your credibility forever, so no one wants to take ownership for this mess. You can always tell a true political disaster of titanic proportions when even the people who were steering the ship want to pretend they were never near the boat. And that’s exactly what’s going on now with Obamanomics.
MSU

Krugman, of course, lefty. But just cause he writes for The Times, to lump Friedman in there is in error. Foreign Policy wise (which he mostly writes about.) — especially matters concerning the middle east, he is quite conservative. He was one of the earliest and biggest proponents of the Iraq War — and evidently (and idiotically) still feels that way:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HOF6ZeUvgXs&feature=player_embedded
chucken

Unlike Bush who walked into office in 2001 with peace and prosperity from Bill Clinton,Obama got 2 wars and an economy on the verge of financial ruin.And he made pragmatic choices that did indeed bail out the rich Wall Street types,banks,auto industry and did things like health care that would never have passed without a large Democract majority that he will never see again.We are still a rich powerful nation and when we come back(we always do) it’s payback time for all the naysayers who whined and cried and did not do shit to help,Talking is easy governing is hard.
alamo2

Unfortunately, I believe that Friedman and Krugman are right in their assessment. I consider myself moderately to the left. But I think that going for healthcare right away was a huge mistake. He obviously learned nothing for the Clinton first term. He was elected (hired) to get rid of what the previous eight years had done — and to turn the economy around. Now this economy is a difficult one to read, but I think Obama definetely should have considered employment to be one of his first consirations. The moneys given to businesses should have been given with the caveat, that the companies must begin hiring quickly, and not give bonuses to the higher ups. If you disagree with me, please do so with reasons why, and what you think should be done differently. Thanks.
ConLoonPatrol

aww the typical right wing loon posts on this site..

as for krugman and his liberal (cough cough) ways, (calling him a lib is a joke in and of itself), but anyway…

if they voted for obama they have no one to blame but themselves for their idiocy.

Smart people voted for Hillary and she would have won if not for the corrupt election process.
BatBoy

Tom Friedman and Paul Krugman acted Stupidly for supporting a Community Organizer….

Community Organizers are in it for themselves…the little people are just a means to an end.
Pablo

Obviously, Krugman and Friedman are racists who can’t stand having a black man in the White House.
juan

JourNoList Members are in disarray! HooRay!
Patrick Henry

chucken said:
Unlike Bush who walked into office in 2001 with peace and prosperity from Bill Clinton

Ha Ha, no mention of the Republican Congress that pulled Clinton to the center. 9/11 made sure President Bush did not have a cake walk either.
juan

Skysaxon said:
attributes intelligent people – or those who appear to be intelligent – with the left.

No, because we know that’s an oxymoron!
Patrick Henry

alamo2 said:
But I think that going for healthcare right away was a huge mistake. He obviously learned nothing for the Clinton first term. He was elected (hired) to get rid of what the previous eight years had done — and to turn the economy around. Now this economy is a difficult one to read, but I think Obama definetely should have considered employment to be one of his first consirations. The moneys given to businesses should have been given with the caveat, that the companies must begin hiring quickly, and not give bonuses to the higher ups. If you disagree with me, please do so with reasons why, and what you think should be done differently. Thanks.

Alamo, I think you are right on with that assessment.
alamo2

Patrick Henry said:
Ha Ha, no mention of the Republican Congress that pulled Clinton to the center. 9/11 made sure President Bush did not have a cake walk either.

I think that 9/11 gave President Bush purpose. Before that, he was a meandering President, having a difficult time trying to find himself. After 9/11, with his popularity sky high, he had the confidence to go full force into foreign relations. Had he not gone into Iraq, he would have probably been a shoo-in for his second term, and would have left office with a nation looking favorable upon him.
alamo2

Patrick Henry said:
Alamo, I think you are right on with that assessment.

Thank you. I think it is sad that he threw away his “mandate.” He should have listened to the moderates in his party, not the left wing. I think that Pelosi has been a cancer to President Obama. And I’m a Democrat.
Patrick Henry

alamo2 said:
I think that 9/11 gave President Bush purpose. Before that, he was a meandering President, having a difficult time trying to find himself. After 9/11, with his popularity sky high, he had the confidence to go full force into foreign relations. Had he not gone into Iraq, he would have probably been a shoo-in for his second term, and would have left office with a nation looking favorable upon him.

Alamo, I agree with you again. I know most would disagree with me, but I still believe he was right in going into Iraq
Moderate

fill32162 says:
September 5, 2010 at 3:31 pm
“Our illustrious leader has a vision colored by academia not reality.”

If you can’t do then teach. He needs to go back to teaching at a college, his ideas are not accepted in the real world.
RichS

ImJustThatDamnGood said:
If Obama listened to the liberals the economy would be in a better state. We need a true blood liberal in the White House… Hillary 2012

What exactly would he have done to put the economy in a better state, according to the liberals?
felixw

ImJustThatDamnGood said:
If Obama listened to the liberals the economy would be in a better state.

Very funny one-liner. You should do stand-up comedy.
JimBob

There will be a tie for Worst Persons in the World AND One of those
Special Comments by Edward R Olberdork!

Mr ED the Talking Horses ASS’s head will explode on live TV!!
As if Ed didn.t have enough to deal with, with “the Beckster” camped in
his great big head!

Wear a Bio Hazard Suit if you are sitting in front of Tingles. Maybe with Face Shield!

RM will become more and more attractive right in front of our eyes, as her program
advances!! WAIT A MINUTE !!!!!!!!!!
Azarkhan

“America Rising”. Coming to a polling booth near you Nov 2.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uZs8k4pJcyk
Dave Richards

When you lose Krugman, you know you’re in trouble. Obama is why a sitting senator with a Harvard degree and total lack of experience in only government should never be allowed near the White House.
The Real Royal King

Moderate said:
fill32162 says:September 5, 2010 at 3:31 pm“Our illustrious leader has a vision colored by academia not reality.” If you can’t do then teach. He needs to go back to teaching at a college, his ideas are not accepted in the real world.

Hear! Hear! We don’t need no learning in America. What do rightists what? IGNORANCE. When do they want it? NOW.
The Real Royal King

fill32162 said:
Our illustrious leader has a vision colored by academia not reality.

Yes, I see from your avatar you despise academia. All the Marys in Heaven know there is no academic presence anywhere in Florida.
The Real Royal King

Friedman and Krugman made some very good points about President Obama, I have to admit.

I would have liked to see them go a step further. What if the Drop Out Governor, Good Hair Mitch or the Newt were to get the Republican nomination in 2012? Who would win then? Any Democrat, even President Obama.

See the problem is the opposition party is much like Labour was in the UK before Blair turned it into New Labour. There was no viable opposition. Thatcher and Major won by default. President Obama likely will as well.
timzank

Pablo said:
Obviously, Krugman and Friedman are racists who can’t stand having a black man in the White House.

ding ding ding!!!! threadwinner!!!
timzank

The Real Royal King said:
Friedman and Krugman made some very good points about President Obama, I have to admit. I would have liked to see them go a step further. What if the Drop Out Governor, Good Hair Mitch or the Newt were to get the Republican nomination in 2012? Who would win then? Any Democrat, even President Obama. See the problem is the opposition party is much like Labour was in the UK before Blair turned it into New Labour. There was no viable opposition. Thatcher and Major won by default. President Obama likely will as well.

The republicans could run bozo the clown and he’d beat any dem in 2012. you are about to experience another landslide…ignoring the majority of the voting population may make you feel safe King, but it’s not reality. this country is tacking right fast.
felixw

The Real Royal King said:
Hear! Hear! We don’t need no learning in America. What do rightists what? IGNORANCE. When do they want it? NOW.

I didn’t know you were a rightist.
felixw

The Real Royal King said:
Drop Out Governor, Good Hair Mitch or the Newt

Do you get these witticisms from a third-grader or a middle school drop out?
timzank

felixw said:
Do you get these witticisms from a third-grader or a middle school drop out?

Until proven otherwise, I still maintain he’s a community college kid in a basement at his folks house.
ganymede

Ah, all the Solons fatuous comments about Friedman & Krugman – Friedman is a liberal conservative and a real mugwump while Krugman is a progressive type who happens to be one of the most astute economists on the planet. You students of current events should occasionally read what he has to say. What makes the rightwing commentators on this blog so ludicrous is that the right has almost zero to offer in how we as a society can get out of the economic mess and militaristic chaos that they in large measure have caused and, yes, many Democrats have greased our slide into perdition as well. Your mantra is boring – lower taxes, smaller government, anti abortion, go to church a la Beck, kick ass with the Islamic terrorists,Obama is a Muslim and/or a bad Christian, etc. All you can say is no, no, no, like in the No/Know Nothings of yesteryear. You keep serving the same old same old with the usual fear mongering demagoguery. And it hasn’t worked in the past nor can it work now. Because of changing demographics you sense that time is running out for your ‘side’, and since you are the only true patriots you must battle and try to manipulate the rest of us, especially the ‘America haters’ like myself. It’s hard to say what the future holds in store, but it won’t be your vision of what the world should be.
JimBob

I disagree! I think he is just a boring old fart, likes to pretend he is intelligent,
has a whole lot of time on his hands, and would shit his knickers if someone
physically present got in his face! Queenie hides behind his keyboard!
JimBob

Disagreeing with TimZank Real RoyalPainin the ASS living
in parents basement, of course!!
Angstone

Hey Gordo,
I’ve been seeing your aggressively ignorant hateful bloviating here and in Youtube for years, and accordingly, I’m sorry if this is as grouchy as it is overdue: Maybe you aren’t the most qualified to be weighing in on Krugman or anyone else being left, right or center: Ronald Reagan, who you fetishize (and from whom you proudly got some L’il Republican Ranger badge,) raised taxes 12 times, negotiated with terrorists (and traded Arms with them,) proposed Amnesty for Illegals and today would be instantly excommunicated from the GOP for being a RHINO by your other idols Hannity, Rush and Beck.

You and everyone else know that your only consistent reference point on the political spectrum is whatever Roger Ailes has decided should be fed to the low-info knuckle draggers for the current election cycle. Bomb Canada? Demonize Quakers? Yell for the abolition of food inspection? You’d do any & all of those after about 5 minutes of instruction from Rush and Fox, because you fear everything, especially knowledge and information.

I’m not the first to point it out, but by your drop out caliber definition, fire and police departments, social security and medicare are rampant socialism. I’ve seen how you live in Portage and how old you are and we both know damn well you’d be ruined without social security you smoldering hypocrytical moron.
Also, how much cognitive dissonance does it cause to know that the Saudi billionaire who is demonized by Fox & Friends as a major funder of the Park51 Mosque also happens to be the largest shareholder in Fox News parent NewsCorp… Or that the News Channel you trumpet as “Fair and Balanced” just gave a million to the Republican Governors association?

Now little man, back to your little John Bircher know nothing bunker and put up some canned goods because the awful, black, communist, Nazi Muslim is in office and you can’t function without a diaper.
ChiliPeppersFan

alamo
you make a lot of sense in your post but i believe he had one chance, and one chance only to get health care passed and if they didn’t do it now, it would be at least another generation before they would be able to do it again
it’s not like it was a surprise or anything. remember how his mother had cancer and she had problems with insurance because of preexisting condition?
i agree, the stimulus should have been given with a caveat of stopping huge bonuses or a certain number of people hired. as far as that goes, maybe that is something he could bargain with when dealing with the bush tax cuts for the richest 2 percent. he could offer to extend them to people or companies that put so many people to work.
Azarkhan

Angstone said:
the awful, black, communist, Nazi Muslim is in office

I think you’re going overboard with “Nazi Muslim”, but everything else seems OK.
Crystal Balls

Glynnis MacNicol fully discredits herself in the second sentence, by claiming Tom Friedman is, politically speaking, on the left. Tom Friedman!

Ms. MacNicol: You’re fired.
alamo2

ChiliPeppersFan said:
alamoyou make a lot of sense in your post but i believe he had one chance, and one chance only to get health care passed and if they didn’t do it now, it would be at least another generation before they would be able to do it againit’s not like it was a surprise or anything. remember how his mother had cancer and she had problems with insurance because of preexisting condition?i agree, the stimulus should have been given with a caveat of stopping huge bonuses or a certain number of people hired. as far as that goes, maybe that is something he could bargain with when dealing with the bush tax cuts for the richest 2 percent. he could offer to extend them to people or companies that put so many people to work.

ChiliPeppersFan, thanks for the well-thought reply. It is much appreciated. I believe, and have since the healthcare debacle in Clinton’s first term, that Obama should have waited until he got a jobs program in place. Then, after that success, he could have gone for healthcare in the third or fourth year. And it would have been nice if two things had never happened: the Republicans went totally negative about it, and the liberals in Congress wanted everything, and refused to negotiate. I believe that President Obama has accomplished a lot, but has let the Republicans co-opt the message. And I also believe that the President’s worst enemy in getting things accomplished is Pelosi. Without her, he could have pushed a lot more, gone for compromise, and when the Republicans refused, could let the American public see the difference.
alamo2

Patrick Henry said:
Alamo, I agree with you again. I know most would disagree with me, but I still believe he was right in going into Iraq

Patrick Henry, He might have been right in going into Iraq, but I think he chose the wrong reason. WMD were wildly rebutted, and then the nation looked with bewilderment at Cheney and Rumsfelt. Personally, I think GWB is a good man, with the wrong advisors. Same withBHO.
libra blue

“a president who swept into office on a wave of national euphoria of being both a bad communicator and someone who lacks vision”

So now Krugman and Friedman are surprised that the emperor has no clothes. BO was never a magic man, he has always been nothing more than a typical Chicago politician. The problem really was that BO was “swept into office on a wave of national euphoria” by a bunch of clueless people and not because of his experience, expertise or competence, even Hillary Clinton could tell you that.
juan

Title: Paul Krugman And Tom Friedman Are Fed Up: ‘Obama Has Had No Vision’

DUH!
juan

ganymede said:
All you can say is no, no, no,

ganymede said:
especially the ‘America haters’ like myself.

The Party of NO will win to STOP you ‘America haters’ including Obama and his ILK!
halekai

chucken said: “Talking is easy governing is hard.”

Or, in Obamas case, impossible.
newzmaker

Democrats, including Al Sharpton, didn’t back Obama during the campaign, until he picked up a bit of momentum in a few states, then, they jumped on the BHO bandwagon. What I find most disturbing about Obama, is that he doesn’t appear to have any emotional bond with the USA and it shows in his policies. Regarding AZ and health care reform, among other actions, Obama definitely needs to be impeached. A white president would have been impeached already, if he had taken the actions Obama has. If the Repubs don’t eventually impeach Obama, for his reckless actions, the Repub party will need to be exterminated completely. Obama’s mission appears to be to remake America into what he wants it to be, not what the founding fathers intended. Living in Indonesia in his early years, is the likely reason he doesn’t have a bond with the US. Also, living in Hawaii, instead of Mainland US, the Mainland probably seemed like a foreign country to him, thus, no real bond. Imo, Obama has a huge chip on his shoulder and lashes out at anyone, whom he perceives as his ‘enemy.’ Last, but not least, I agree with the psychiatrist who said that Obama, on the surface, appears to have major mental issues. America needs this guy impeached and fast.
Sunnyr

Well, big effing DUH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You idiots in the Lame Stream Media thought he was your Messiah 2 years ago and now you are beginning to believe what many of us were saying all along. He’s a Community Organizer with no experience, no vision, no leadership skills and is narcissistic enough to think he can run this great country. The only thing he has done is run it into the ground! He is FINISHED, starting in November!
Jelperman

gordonbloyershow said:
Krugman and Friedman are so far left they aren’t on the field. Neither has a clue. Obama is a disaster because he fooled the people. When the people found out he was a socialist his days were numbered. If he listened to these two clowns the White House would be surrounded by an army of people with torches and pitchforks.

You really need to quit using words when you don’t know what they mean. Socialism is ownership of the means of production and transport by the workers. Feel free to show where Obama has called for the workers to take over the companies they work for.

Then go fuck yourself, you lying douchetard.
juan

newzmaker said:
America needs this guy impeached and fast.
Sunnyr says:

50 Impeachable Crimes and Counting

By Fred Dardick Tuesday, August 17, 2010

A few weeks ago I wrote an article From the White House to the Big House: 25 Impeachable Crimes and Counting that detailed 25 illegal acts committed by President Obama and his Democrat cohorts in Washington. It showed a President and political party willing to break the law at will in order to accomplish their political aims. Thanks to reader contributions and conservative writers around the country, here are 25 more for your consideration.

http://canadafreepress.com/index.php/article/26650
timzank

Jelperman said:
You really need to quit using words when you don’t know what they mean. Socialism is ownership of the means of production and transport by the workers. Feel free to show where Obama has called for the workers to take over the companies they work for. Then go fuck yourself, you lying douchetard.

You ain’t too awful bright are ya?

Definition of SOCIALISM

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism

1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done
Angstone

Hey Sunnyr,

I’d agree that Obama has been tepid at best, and essentially too timid to fix the mess that America is in. But in terms of “running America into the ground,” considering that by any measurable metric Bush’s trillion dollar war of choice in Iraq, insane tax cuts for the wealthy and the subprime mortage crisis* put this country in a deeper crisis than we’ve been in since the Great Depression, you really are counting on a massive ignorance or amnesia to make your point.

And as for “Lame Stream Media” I’m not sure that adopting awkward rhyming rhetoric from a woman whose own campaign staff reported that she didn’t know Africa was a continent rather than a country is gonna make you sound like anything but a flat earther.

( * To fair it was given pretty fair push by Bob Rubin under Clinton but became a runaway train under Bush)
timzank

Angstone said:
Hey Sunnyr, I’d agree that Obama has been tepid at best, and essentially too timid to fix the mess that America is in. But in terms of “running America into the ground,” considering that by any measurable metric Bush’s trillion dollar war of choice in Iraq, insane tax cuts for the wealthy and the subprime mortage crisis* put this country in a deeper crisis than we’ve been in since the Great Depression, you really are counting on a massive ignorance or amnesia to make your point. And as for “Lame Stream Media” I’m not sure that adopting awkward rhyming rhetoric from a woman whose own campaign staff reported that she didn’t know Africa was a continent rather than a country is gonna make you sound like anything but a flat earther. ( * To fair it was given pretty fair push by Bob Rubin under Clinton but became a runaway train under Bush)

Uh, adding 13 trillion isn’t tepid, it’s “running the country into the ground”. And you can lay the subprime & current mortgage mess at the feet of Chris Dodd and Barney Frank, all of it.
Greg

Difficult to overcome the effects of the Bush “poison pill”… Particullary when the opposition is unreasonable enough to ignore context and devolve into abject irrationality…

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3036
Angstone

Tim,

Be curious if you can back up any of your math from anywhere but something you heard on Fox News.

And if you think that Fannie and Freddie was anything but a sideshow in the overall subprime collapse, you haven’t got a clue. Try looking up how credit swap derivatives got to be held and traded by commercial banks and insurance companies (the repeal of Glass Steagall, which was signed by Clinton but engineered by Phil Gramm) and the climate of deregulation crony capitalism which was core to the Bush era. Greenspan for just one had a much bigger role than Dodd or Frank.

Honestly, if you think that Frank and Dodd, neither of whom I am a fan, are big players, I’d suggest you watch PBS Frontline’s “Inside The Meltdown” and the rest of their investigative pieces on the Subprime collapse. To see you say that you can lay “all of” the crisis at the feet of Dodd and Frank would indicate that you don’t get much information beyond Fox, Rush and the RNC….

Seriously, either you know that crap isn’t true and are fighting to hold out objective reality, or worse, you actually do think you are getting real facts from republican operatives who essentially run Fox.
Angstone

Tim,

Also, regarding your 13 billion trillion figure, here is a little more grim reality: http://www.businessinsider.com/chart-of-the-day-bush-policies-deficits-2010-6
Greg

Angstone said:
Tim,

Be curious if you can back up any of your math from anywhere but something you heard on Fox News.

And if you think that Fannie and Freddie was anything but a sideshow in the overall subprime collapse, you haven’t got a clue. Try looking up how credit swap derivatives got to be held and traded by commercial banks and insurance companies (the repeal of Glass Steagall, which was signed by Clinton but engineered by Phil Gramm) and the climate of deregulation crony capitalism which was core to the Bush era. Greenspan for just one had a much bigger role than Dodd or Frank.
http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2008/10/12/53802/private-sector-loans-not-fannie.html

Honestly, if you think that Frank and Dodd, neither of whom I am a fan, are big players, I’d suggest you watch PBS Frontline’s “Inside The Meltdown” and the rest of their investigative pieces on the Subprime collapse. To see you say that you can lay “all of” the crisis at the feet of Dodd and Frank would indicate that you don’t get much information beyond Fox, Rush and the RNC….

Seriously, either you know that crap isn’t true and are fighting to hold out objective reality, or worse, you actually do think you are getting real facts from republican operatives who essentially run Fox.
http://gordonbloyershow.com gordonbloyershow

Jelperman said:
You really need to quit using words when you don’t know what they mean. Socialism is ownership of the means of production and transport by the workers. Feel free to show where Obama has called for the workers to take over the companies they work for. Then go fuck yourself, you lying douchetard.

You ain’t too awful bright are ya?

Definition of SOCIALISM

http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/socialism

1: any of various economic and political theories advocating collective or governmental ownership and administration of the means of production and distribution of goods
2a : a system of society or group living in which there is no private property b : a system or condition of society in which the means of production are owned and controlled by the state
3: a stage of society in Marxist theory transitional between capitalism and communism and distinguished by unequal distribution of goods and pay according to work done

Well jelperman, I guess timzank put you in your place. Want to shoot your mouth off again?
http://gordonbloyershow.com gordonbloyershow

Hey everyone, we have a new lib nutball join us calling ITSELF Angstone. Typical lib hiding behind a phony name. It claims it has been watching my YouTube videos for years. That can’t be possible because no one could still be so dumb after watching my videos for years.

Ang, I suggest you go back under that rock you crawled out from because the sunlight is going to kill you.
Angstone

Sad if that’s your best, Bloyer.

OK, how about dealing with just one fact from my post: You’re 64 years old, and you live in a lower middle class Indiana suburb. Do you really claim that you don’t depend on social security? Otherwise, you are supported by a program that you would decry as socialist.

Congratulations Gordon, you just discovered that by your own labeling system you stare at a dirty socialist every morning in the mirror.

Now please, by all means confirm my suspicion that you can’t debate this by responding with some insult about liberals, progressives, or some other horsesh*t in a desperate maneuver to evade the issue here.
CrawlingHandFace

Hey Bloyer.

You keep saying that posters here hide behind phony names. You blamed me for that early on. There’s a reason for people to stay anonymous.

I use a nic that seems (to me) clever and unique so that I’m anonymous and you won’t figure out who I am and won’t hunt me down or stalk me or do anything weird out on road outside my house. Just trying to protect myself. People like you with huge rage issues…you might be scary or just a tiresome old fart. How can I know?
sarainitaly

Hmm, what’s the word I’m looking for…what was it…. oh yea, TOLDYASO!
beulainnes

I completely agree with most of his views, and I respect how he freely criticises both the Bush & Obama administrations, and is completely unashamed of openly calling himself a Liberal, which has unfortunately become a dirty word as of late.
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NORBIT

To Quote from “Jesus Christ, Superstar”:
“The end is so much harder when brought about by friends”.

What time is it when even the Professional-Left Media turns on you?
- time for the fat lady to sing!!!

Does this mean Shultzee will be Torching Olbermann’s Office Tonight!!!

LOL!!
http://gordonbloyershow.com gordonbloyershow

Ang, I don’t know what “lower middle class” means. I don’t put people in classes. I know the house across the street is for sale for $175,000. I lived in “upper class” San Francisco for 17 years and “upper class” Monterey, Ca. for 10 years. I owned a house on the beach in Monterey. Now what is your point?
When my parents died I inherited the house I am in. It is good for me, should I move to please YOU? I don’t live my life for people like you and I don’t need to live in a castle so you can approve.

Clowns like you complain about the evil corporations but you take their money.
Social Security is the system I am stuck with. I didn’t vote for and I wasn’t around when they passed it. I was forced to pay into it. So according to you I shouldn’t take it. How stupid are you?

I find it amusing that libs like you judge people by where they live. You even think calling people old or balding is some kind of an insult. It is comments like this that proves that liberals are elitist and look down on minorities and the poor while claiming to help them. You have exposed yourself as the fool that you are now go play with your polo pony.
http://gordonbloyershow.com gordonbloyershow

Crawler, you have just said you hide because you are afraid. Poor baby. I have always used my real name. Your is exuse is for children and women. I have threats from loony libs like you for years, even death threats. I am still here. My name is in the phone book and people can find my address. Violence comes from nuts on the left like you.
When people use a phony name like you it is always because they know what they say is ignorant and they don’t want anyone to know how stupid they are.
I have no problem with normal people using a phony name when they are here to just comment and not attack people. Most people here just comment.
I stand behind what I say and I am not afraid to say it. I say it to make liberals and socialists MAD. I do it to make them furious and I want them to know who said it.
Now go play with your toys.
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Is Royal King able to get through an entire post without mentioning Palin?
Azarkhan

Excellent analysis of mid-terms-

http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=6837704n&tag=related;photovideo
Pablo

Angstone said:
Tim,

Also, regarding your 13 billion trillion figure, here is a little more grim reality: http://www.businessinsider.com/chart-of-the-day-bush-policies-deficits-2010-6

That is an enormous pile of hooey. I really like the huge impact of the Bush tax cuts on the deficit in 2019, when they’re set to expire in January 2011. Damn you, BOOOOOSH!

But in reality, much of that spending emanates from policies of President Bush, according to the Center on Budget and Policy Priorities.

…

The CBPP focuses on lower to middle income issues and may be directly involved with the Democratic Party.

May? JOURNALISM!!!
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alamo2 said:
Unfortunately, I believe that Friedman and Krugman are right in their assessment. I consider myself moderately to the left. But I think that going for healthcare right away was a huge mistake. He obviously learned nothing for the Clinton first term. He was elected (hired) to get rid of what the previous eight years had done — and to turn the economy around. Now this economy is a difficult one to read, but I think Obama definetely should have considered employment to be one of his first consirations. The moneys given to businesses should have been given with the caveat, that the companies must begin hiring quickly, and not give bonuses to the higher ups. If you disagree with me, please do so with reasons why, and what you think should be done differently. Thanks.

I completely agree about demanding things from the companies that got bailed out. I also wonder what happened to the domestic infrastructure jobs. Use the money to simultaneously provide jobs and improve the nation.
I think there’s a good argument to be made that had he not passed health care now it may not have happened at all.
I think they are right about communication as well. Sadly too many people don’t want realistic language.
CosmosDan

Angstone said:
Hey Sunnyr,

I’d agree that Obama has been tepid at best, and essentially too timid to fix the mess that America is in. But in terms of “running America into the ground,” considering that by any measurable metric Bush’s trillion dollar war of choice in Iraq, insane tax cuts for the wealthy and the subprime mortage crisis* put this country in a deeper crisis than we’ve been in since the Great Depression, you really are counting on a massive ignorance or amnesia to make your point.

And as for “Lame Stream Media” I’m not sure that adopting awkward rhyming rhetoric from a woman whose own campaign staff reported that she didn’t know Africa was a continent rather than a country is gonna make you sound like anything but a flat earther.

( * To fair it was given pretty fair push by Bob Rubin under Clinton but became a runaway train under Bush)

Angstone said:
Hey Sunnyr,

I’d agree that Obama has been tepid at best, and essentially too timid to fix the mess that America is in. But in terms of “running America into the ground,” considering that by any measurable metric Bush’s trillion dollar war of choice in Iraq, insane tax cuts for the wealthy and the subprime mortage crisis* put this country in a deeper crisis than we’ve been in since the Great Depression, you really are counting on a massive ignorance or amnesia to make your point.

And as for “Lame Stream Media” I’m not sure that adopting awkward rhyming rhetoric from a woman whose own campaign staff reported that she didn’t know Africa was a continent rather than a country is gonna make you sound like anything but a flat earther.

( * To fair it was given pretty fair push by Bob Rubin under Clinton but became a runaway train under Bush)

Good post. I don’t have high praise for Obama but realistically, the nation decided to support Bush for eight years and he left us in a horrible mess. Any president coming in was facing a huge challenge. “Hurry Up and fix everything” isn’t realisitic
MiddleRoader

Gordon,

gordonbloyershow said:
Clowns like you complain about the evil corporations but you take their money.
Social Security is the system I am stuck with. I didn’t vote for and I wasn’t around when they passed it. I was forced to pay into it. So according to you I shouldn’t take it. How stupid are you?

Setting aside the evil corporations and their tax cuts and loopholes. Why not think about the underreporting of income from the self employed. Many of which lie about their business expenses in various ways. ie: Adding their spouses and children’s gasoline purchases as business expenses, for one of many examples. This adds up to billions according to the New York Times..

http://freakonomics.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/03/27/tax-quorum/

You also say that Social Security is the system your stuck with, had to pay into and why not collect?

Ok, so maybe they could implement a form that you could sign agreeing not to collect if you don’t pay into it? Then again, suppose your business fails, or you get let go from your high paying employment and you must go back to working some lower paying job (since many corporations are taking their business overseas in their ability to save money). Social Security may end up being your lifeline in the end. But if you haven’t paid in your not going to collect enough to by groceries on a weekly basis let alone pay any of your other bills.

During the Reagan days, I thought his trickle down economics was decent theory. An idea that never came to reality, because as I said, not enough new jobs were made compared to how many jobs were lost do to the corporations taking their companies out of the country. In the Bush era, the oil/gas prices rose as did the ceo’s salaries. Who had the hardest time affording gasoline? The middle to lower class trying to get to their lower paying jobs daily.

I work for the Postal Service, and the Bush admin pushed for reformation and privatization of said agency. First they were to cut office administration, then floor management and then floor worker positions. They in turn did the opposite and started with the floor workers. Trying to push for early retirements, resignations and firings. That caused many to jump to floor management in hopes of keeping their jobs. Now we have more management than is needed. Then they moved on to office workers. Their jobs were cut but lessor forced retirements etc. They pretty much have been given in name only positions, that do little to no monetary savings to the company. Now they are working on floor managers positions to eliminate. Pretty much the same way they treated the floor workers. Meanwhile if you look at the higher ups (board of directors-Postmaster’s) income, theirs has risen in a ridiculously high percentage of a previously held high rate salaries. Automation has taken over which in turn takes jobs away from the people who actually do put money back into the economy. Well it would if they had jobs. The Republicans say keep the tax cuts for the large corporations and the jobs will come. Trying convincing all the people that are out of work because the jobs are not being created only in reality taken away.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Sukie-Tawdry/100000706973113 Sukie Tawdry

This administration is a mess all right, but the last thing it needs to do is start listening to the likes of Krugman and Friedman. They would only have it dig the hole deeper.
magicbeans

My theory is that Obama doesn’t really care that much about jobs. If he did why did his Car Czar shut down all of those healthy car dealerships when he bailed out GM and the UAW? Each of those dealerships is a small business with salesmen and mechanics and technicians even secretaries all out of work. Why is his Interior Secretary Salazar trying so hard to impose a moritorium on gulf oil drilling? Which is going to mean more lost jobs for those who work on the rigs and those who supply the rigs. Why is Lubchenco who he appointed to NOAA pushing to convert fisheries into commodities markets which will result in fewer jobs? I would love to see a total number for the jobs that this administration is directly responsible for destroying on their Government website. I think Krugman is wrong. Barry has a vision but it has nothing to do with creating jobs or helping the economy and he doesn’t dare articulate it to the American people.

One more thing. Glynnis thinks there is nothing more scary than a really angry Liberal? That’s like a really ticked off toy poodle, right?
notsofast

Are you kidding , Paul?

VP Bite Me said they would create 250k-500k jobs per month during the summer. We lost 283,00 jobs during the summer.

He was only off by between 1,000,000 – 1,782,000 jobs. That’s close enough for government estimates!
Egypt Steve

Seriously, the only person who needs a drug test is anyone who thinks that Tom “Suck on this” Friedman, the warmonger with the blood of thousands on his hands, is a member of the professional, or even amateur, left. He’s a beltway hack.
Angstone

Actually Gordo, in your rush to claim victimhood and say I was insulting you about your wealth or your looks, I simply stated two facts: You are 64 (true- and no shame in that) and that you live in a lower middle class suburb. (On zillow it says your house is estimated to be worth 64K. Also no shame in that.) All this does is show that you are more likely to be dependent on SSI than someone with a large estate. In trying to frame that as an “Elitist” insult, you’re doing nothing more than again parrotting Fox’s attempt at misdirecting anger away from the real class warriors who have destroyed the middle class (republicans and blue dog dems….)

And by the way, the fat and bald comments were yours, not mine.
http://gordonbloyershow.com gordonbloyershow

Ang, you poor ignorant fool. You have just shown that you jump to conclusions that are based on YOUR prejucices. I never heard of zillow. My house was recently appraised at $98,000 by a mortage company. Why do you care what neighborhood I live in? My house has nothing to do with my income, as I told you I inherited it. My property taxes are low and the house fits what I need. My neighbors have been here since I was in school here. We like the hood we are in. You have no idea what you are talking about.
Where did you get the idea the republicans want to do away with Social Security? If you would quit repeating democrat talking points you would know what their plan is.
Everything you say indicates you look at people by where they live and what income they have. You are an ELITIST. You are correct I did mix up your comments with another fool like you that made the fat bald comments. He might have been talking about you? He like you is another lib that goes around judging people by looks and then will say he is against name calling and prejudice against fat people. LOL.
http://www.facebook.com/people/Aladine-Vargas/644022687 Aladine Vargas

You don’t run a campaign like he did and not have a vision. His vision is the destruction of the American “Empiricist / Colonial” System. His vision is pass the football field. Playing on the field is a means to the end which is to control the state, which the field is in and everything else that is in it.

Read the healthcare and finical bills pasted. These progressive will most like find their paper heaven and our real hell designed, structured and executed there.
felixw

News came out this morning of a new stimulus bill from the President. I guess his argument is that this will be a better bill, since it only flushes 50 billion down the toilet instead of one trillion.

How many times do these Keynesian programs have to fail before politicians realize they don’t work. They didn’t work for Jimmy Carter, they didn’t work for the British labor governments before Thatcher, they didn’t work in Africa, in South America, in Japan, etc. etc. And they haven’t worked for Obama. But still he keeps on spending money he doesn’t have, as if it will make us all better off. Heaven help us from such blindly ideological leaders who are incapable of learning from experience.
Angstone

Gordo,

Your issues with your follicles and waistline are your own. Don’t bring me into it.

As for the rest, you don’t seem to be much better at following logic than your were a few years back, but try to follow: There isn’t any correlation between virtue and your location on the economic pyramid, and you are desperate to try to have me say that there is. However, there IS a direct link to your financial well being and how much you are likely to depend on Social Security, and all the external indicators available point to the fact that you, who brands everything socialism and communism like Fox tells you to, are likely VERY dependent on a program that you and your political heroes want to cut, privatize or eliminate.

And as for the fact that the GOP wants to cut or eliminate SSI, hmmm, where do we start? Bush’s big first priority after the 2004 election? Privatizing SSI. Current fans of cutting SSI? Republican Stalwarts Paul Ryan, Alan Simpson, Jim DeMint, Jim Bunning,Dick Armey, every Tea Bagger,.. And that’s just the tip of the iceberg.

Now please, by all means, display the fact that you can’t stay on point by trying to reframe this into some kind of elitism…
http://gordonbloyershow.com gordonbloyershow

Ang, how dumb are you? You are the one that brought up where I live. You are the one that jumped to conclusions not me. If you had checked my address years ago when I lived in my $300,000 house on the beach in Monterey you would have concluded that I was some rich republican and that I didn’t need social security. You are just an idiot. I have had my views long before Fox News existed, remember I am OLD. I have been in politics long before you knew how to spell cat.
You apparently have no idea what the Bush plan was. Again you are just repeating dem talking points that are lies.
People would have the OPTION to get out of Social Security and that is GOOD. No one currently on it or near retirement would have anything change. You know like Obama promised on his health care bill. The only problem is that Obama lied and there will be no option to keep your doctor and the price will go up.
None of that matters because you have already proven you don’t know what you are talking about.
I don’t have the time or inclination to write 100 pages to educate you because you already know it all.

While you busy trying to type everyone based on where they live and their income I will be working to make sure your friends lose in November.
For someone that claims to know who I am, I guess you don’t know that I worked as the A.A. for the Republican minority leader of the California Assembly.
I get paid to know what I am talking about and I don’t get paid to be wrong.
YOU on the other hand are a nobody hiding behind a phony name that answers to no one. When your proved wrong you just run away and create a new phony name to hide behind.
juan

CosmosDan said:
Bush for eight years and he left us in a horrible mess.

The Democrats took control of Congress in Jan 2007!

Before that, jobs were good and plentiful and 401(k) balances were flourishing!

Try again!

beulainnes said:
and is completely unashamed of openly calling himself a Liberal, which has unfortunately become a dirty word as of late.

That’s always been a Dirty Word in America!

Nick Andrelli said:
Mr. Friedman, Mr. Krugman, meet Mr. 0bama, the biggest fraud ever perpetrated upon the American voting public, brought to you courtesy of the Democratic Party.

And they will PAY for it! November cometh -
Angstone

Gordo,

No one is judging you by your economic circumstances. You don’t need to chest pound to compensate – The fact is and remains that you probably rely on social security. That, by your definition, is socialism. And, being a fairly adversarial person, I’m guessing you’ve called the cops more than a few times. Their salary is paid through taxation, rather than on a private free market basis. By your standards, that is socialism too.

And yes, I did see slides from your right wing cable access show in northern california in the early 80s. Kudos to you. However, I’m not thinking that Frank Luntz or Michael Savage are hearing footsteps…
juan

magicbeans said:
Barry has a vision but it has nothing to do with creating jobs or helping the economy and he doesn’t dare articulate it to the American people.

You’re right!

His “Redistribute the Wealth” Plan has not worked and America has rejected him and DEM/LIBs!

CELEBRATE!
Angstone

And gordo – As for changing names, go back to 2007 and look on your you tube posts. I was using the same name then as now. You were on some other site, I think Gawker.com, as an example of an angry ultra right wing loon on you tube, but I decided to engage you and ask you to answer some questions about the war in Iraq and the pre-war intelligence, citing British intel. Instead to trying to answer, you ranted then blocked me. Good work.
Civil Cold Warrior

So would Krugman like to tell us how many trillions of dollars of debt would justify calling Obama a liberal? How much of the economy does the government have to run in addition to health care the mortgage industry, student loans and a couple of car companies before we can call Obama a socialist? How much is enough Krugman you idiot?

This why the NY Times is considered irrelevant and a national embarrassment. Krugman is their goto guy for economics in EXACTLY the same way that Walter Duranty was their goto guy for stories on the Soviet Union.
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hanoisteve

juan said:
The Democrats took control of Congress in Jan 2007!

Before that, jobs were good and plentiful and 401(k) balances were flourishing!

And Gas was 4.50$ a gallon, wages stagnate. but investments with Berni were doing great. in 2007 that house of cards was about the collapse.

What is the Rublican plan if they take the house and senate, How would it be different that Bush’s plan?

Cut taxes, lower regulations on business and banks, unlimited spending and no oversight for the military and to attack Iran. What is the definition of insanity? doing the same thing over and over and expecting a different result?

Try again no thanks!
NYLefty

Tom Friedman is a liberal? Who knew? I’d place him somewhere right of center, like the few moderates remaining in the Republican Party.
http://gordonbloyershow.com gordonbloyershow

hano, you live in that imaginary world of Obama. Gas never got to be $4.50 a gallon nationwide. I never paid more that $3.00 in the Midwest and that was only for a day or two.

I know what my plan is to get America working again. STOP THE SPENDING. Eliminate the income tax and all payroll taxes and leave the money in the hands of the people. Now I know you are not to smart so, NO that will not mean we won’t have money to run the government. The FAIR TAX will supply all the money we need and no one making less than $20,000 will pay any taxes.
Get rid of all business and corporate taxes and watche all the foreign companies, American companies come racing back to open their business here. Jobs, jobs, jobs. That three letter word Biden mentioned.

Make all government unions illegal as they were before FDR. Reduce all salaries for federal employees that earn more than $100,000 a year by 20%. Freeze all other pay for 5 years. Eliminate all federal pensions for elected officials. I could go on and on but that is a start.

If the republicans learn anything they must STOP THE SPENDING. They will get one more chance.
CLOSE the border before anything is done on immigration reform. CLOSE THE BORDER FIRST.
hanoisteve

felixw said:
News came out this morning of a new stimulus bill from the President. I guess his argument is that this will be a better bill, since it only flushes 50 billion down the toilet instead of one trillion.

Yes since the pentagon budget is nearly 2bil a day ( not counting the wars they are a emergency supplemental budget request) so that equals 25 days of military spending. do you feel safe yet?
http://Mediaite.com uggugg

Kugman and Friedman only need to read between the lines to get the facts:
What you are listening for is what you hear. Maybe we should listen between the lines. Many of you out there, generalize, like we are all equal and have the same amount of money or purchasing power, especially commentators and anchor people. Be more specific, just who is not purchasing any thing, the unemployed? Probably, because they barely earn barely enough to sustain a meager lifestyle when they are working. You know the old employer adage, “Keep them hungry and they will always be handy“. Yes, that’s the way we treat the past, present and future workers of America and what’s really funny is, they are the real purchasing power of these United States. Like shooting your self in the foot. The rich are not buying because they have fulfilled about every personal need known to man before the economy collapsed.
Ford Motor Company probably is doing OK today, because they have been following what Henry Ford said to a person many years ago when he opened his first assembly line for the Ford automobile. Someone said, “Henry, why do you pay your employers so much money”. Henry’s reply was, “I’m hoping they all buy one of my automobiles”. Follow Ford’s lead, put more money in the pockets of labor and you will be rewarded many timer over. The sooner you get started the better for business, labor and our economy.
Don’t listen to efficient experts telling you, it is smart to work your help half the time and make twice the money. He read that in a book, he hasn’t really been anywhere.
hanoisteve

gordonbloyershow said:
hano, you live in that imaginary world of Obama. Gas never got to be $4.50 a gallon nationwide. I never paid more that $3.00 in the Midwest and that was only for a day or two.

Just south of LAX on the 101 is where i had to buy my 10 gallons, a small war tax to the oil co. we all had to pay

gordonbloyershow said:
Get rid of all business and corporate taxes and watche all the foreign companies, American companies come racing back to open their business here. Jobs, jobs, jobs. That three letter word Biden mentioned.

What about the infrastructure and educated work force that all the foreign companies will need to do business here. will they voluntary invest in highways, bridges and sewage projects.

gordonbloyershow said: Make all government unions illegal as they were before FDR. Reduce all salaries for federal employees that earn more than $100,000 a year by 20%. Freeze all other pay for 5 years. Eliminate all federal pensions for elected officials. I could go on and on but that is a start.

Will that be for doctors and nurses at the VA, Scientist at the CDC, how about ICE, cut their pay too? FDA? Ecoli with your burger?

You are ready to sell out Americans to foreigners because you don’t thing the the richest 3% should pay 3.9 % more in taxes on income over 250.000$ Any one out there that still has a job get overtime pay if you work over 40 hr a week? how about health-care, sick-leave, safe working conditions? you can thank a labor union for that.

Gordon, you are advocating for a race to the bottom. “i’ve got mine screw you”?
http://none pyrope

“Paul Krugman And Tom Friedman Are Fed Up: ‘Obama Has Had No Vision’”

It’s hard to have “vision” when your head is implated in your alimentary canal.
http://gordonbloyershow.com gordonbloyershow

hano, LOL you have no idea what you are talking about. As I suspected you have no idea what the FAIR TAX is and how much money it will bring in to the federal govenment. That is why you asked all the stupid questions.

The government will be loaded with money to fix roads and all the other infrastucture. You have already sold out American workers with the income tax. The government should not tax people more because they work harder.
Did you miss the part where I said that no one that makes less than $20,000 a year would pay any taxes?
Do you know what that means ANY taxes. No Social Security taxes, no payroll taxes at all. If you get paid $1,500 a month you get $1,500 dollars in your pocket. Plus you get a rebate check from the government of about $400 dollars a month. Now tell me how that hurts working Americans.

I do understand that you are not too smart and it would take to much time to read about the FAIR TAX. If you google Fair Tax you could read about it. But they would be hard for a screwed up lib to do.
More Liberty

gordonbloyershow said:
I do understand that you are not too smart and it would take to much time to read about the FAIR TAX. If you google Fair Tax you could read about it. But they would be hard for a screwed up lib to do.

Yeah we need a Fair Tax.
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chucken said:
Unlike Bush who walked into office in 2001 with peace and prosperity from Bill Clinton,Obama got 2 wars and an economy on the verge of financial ruin……. for all the naysayers who whined and cried and did not do shit to help,Talking is easy governing is hard.

I find this argument laughable: Look What Obama Was Handed!
So if McCain won the election (or Hillary) the circumstances would have been different?? The wars & financial crisis was cooked up especially to undermine Obama’s presidency?
Yoda002

gordonbloyershow said:
Krugman and Friedman are so far left they aren’t on the field. Neither has a clue. Obama is a disaster because he fooled the people. When the people found out he was a socialist his days were numbered. If he listened to these two clowns the White House would be surrounded by an army of people with torches and pitchforks.

Bloyers, it was the Treasury Secretary under George W. Bush that ask for the 800+ billion dollar bailout in the middle of the night. The free market let those banksters do back-room derivative trading with our money. You don’t have a clue what your talking about.
hanoisteve

“Fair Tax” is that what they call lowering the tax rate for the wealthy now.

As if we only pay Social Security tax and payroll taxes. So I take home my $1500 and have to pay Sales tax, User fees, Gas tax, Excise tax on utility bills, car tax, and if you are lucky to own property that tax too. what does that leave me with. what % of my income is taxed vs. the person that bring home 150K a month That sound “fair”

Gordon you are old and probably on S.S. in some form. what do you tear those checks up?
hanoisteve

Valentinne said:
The wars & financial crisis was cooked up especially to undermine Obama’s presidency?

No, they were cooked up to undermine America, for the benefit of they few.
http://Mediaite.com uggugg

Industry needs to quit featherbedding with the excess profits and get back to work. Quit stalling by waiting for higher interest or government perks to get their butts in gear.
Extending the Bush tax cuts for the super wealthy, will be an extension of the recession, that extra money will only add to their present stock pile of happy money they use for trickle down economics to their children and other heirs. This takes money out of the circulation, hurting the economy, slowing it down further.
To put money back into the economy, we need to engage in trickle up economics. That is where we pay money to the producing middle class through production, sales, service and consumption. No one is talking about trickle up economics, maybe because it is too simple for people to think it works.
We know trickle down economics goes to children and heirs of the super rich and they probably blow it on, easy come, easy go living. The trickle up economics goes to hard working people, who in return spend it to sustain a life style common to the American way of living. Let us keep it that way.
Trickle up economics stay in and re-circulates over and over again like buying milk and bread almost daily.
hanoisteve

Well said Uggugg,

Why can’t wingnuts get their heads around the fact if people have money to spend they will spend it and create demand. The smart investors and business people will fill that demand and put people back to work.

Keeping the cash at the top in hopes that the super rich will invest, upgrade and hire more people is ridiculous.
But if there is no demand why would a smart business person increase production. No they would hide it in the Caymen islands or invest in Dubai and wait till things turn around.

Don’t be a pussy Obama let the Bush Tax cuts expire.
richardkirk85

well, if they voted for obama they have no one to blame but themselves for their idiocy.

Smart people voted for Hillary and she would have won if not for the corrupt election process.
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Sunnyr

Well, Krugman, what do you expect from a Community Organizer who has never had a REAL JOB? You didn’t really fall for that soaring rhetoric and Hope and Change BS, did you? rotflmao! Sucker!!
sideboom

krugman / freidman <<<< ya take any two or more jews ,put em together and ya got unamomis agreement on any and all decisions, but especially those concerning israel , and certainly at america's expense and destiny !
eingriff

Krugman and Friedman seem not to be in on the dirty little secret. To inhibit inflation from a massive increase in the money supply to pay off cronies and seize control of the economy, you suppress employment while giving lip service to job creation. Obama and his ilk have a vision, all right: lay a foundation for their totalitarian dictatorship.
dahni

I moved from a somewhat liberal position in my youth to the state of being a disillusioned idealist. I once supported Mario Savia at Berkeley; and Bill Ayers. They led people who were devoted to a particular IDEA. Much like Obama and his appointed Czars. Intellectual Elites all. It works like this: Lots of people have little or no health care insurance. Let’s pass a law that says everyone must get health care insurance. Putting this into effect might result in a few insurance companies being put out of businees, or businesses getting smaller profits, or transfering money from health care for some to provide health care for others, or most hospitals dont have enough health care providers to provide adequate health care to those now insured….

The IDEA is to provide health care for those that don’t currently have it. Focus on that. If there is some collateral damage, that is acceptable to us, and will be acceptable to those that get the health care.

It’s difficult for those that have the IDEA to even consider the feelings and beliefs of those affected negatively by the enactment of the IDEA.

I agree with the purity of the IDEA; I don’t agree with the Idealogues promoting it as I suspect the collateral damage will be much greater that any good resulting from it as now envisioned. This is just one of the IDEA’s held by the current political majority, and by the President and his Czars.

Like Savio and Ayers, they are willing for others to accept damages so that the IDEA is put into effect. I’m not willing to burn or bomb others to ‘get their attention..

While I believe that our Civilization developed under the guide of the Constitution provides the most good for the most people, I do not believe it to be a perfet Civilization. But, given what I consider to be basic human nture, it is a very fragile Civilization. If we don’t support it, then none of us will have the Rights presented in the Constitution.
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mario123101

Obama has no vision. He should be out of office upon having too much criticism. Obama has a face to have them all and not resigning.
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