“Since critics haven’t had much luck in attacking Mr. Cain’s ideas, they are trying to attack him personally.” But the reality is that his ideas HAVE been thoroughly attacked.

This will be a far bigger story than it should be, given that his chances of becoming President are the same that they’ve always been, which is 0. Or 0-0-0, if you will.

the right wing and sexual harassment…from bill o the clown to herman cain the…clown also
hmmm

Nothing to look at folks…move along…..just Tommy grasping for last minute straws is all….

OMGZ Herman Cain is just like the rapists in cccupy wall street…. I guess this helps romney..

If they was paid off to zip it , and they don’t keep it zipped , they need to return the loot , see ?

Gloves has also been framed by experts , so who knows what is the facts ?

Here comes the high tech lynching, Herman Cain must be clairvoyant. Libs are so unpredictable…….not.

TC

The gNOpigs slimming around are going to x-fice you, again.

I can’t wait to see how them teabaggeds will insult Mediaite.

We can now watch all the apologists for Slick Willie rise up in righteous indignation….

Is that how you refer to President Bill Clinton?  Not very respectful.

Wow the libs are restless!! Cain must really be a threat to these idiots because Soros is going to be paying major bucks for these kinds of stories! Let’s all send Cain some money. Two can play this game.

This is just a big misunderstanding.  He likes to brag about his pepperoni. 

WELL, I CAN NO LONGER HOLD OFF ON SOMETHING THAT I HAVE BEEN HIDING SO LONG.

SIXTEEN WOMEN CONFIDED IN ME THAT THE CEO OF POLITICO RAPED THEM 4 TIMES EACH IN ONE NIGHT ABOUT 4 MONTHS AGO.

UNFORTUNATELY ALL OF THEM PREFER ANONYMITY.

IT’S JUST MY DUTY TO SPEAK OUT AT THIS TIME– AND IF THIS RUINS HIS REPUTATION–SO BE IT. 

AND MY STORY IS JUST AS FACTUAL AS THEIRS ON HERMAN CAIN. 

Back then he had his 69-69 plan.

Can we really believe these stories, based on anonymous sources about Tommy C doing those horrible things with all those small young farm animals.

From the Anita Hill fiasco to this.. liberals are so transparent and predictable. This is just a warm up for the left wing media. It’s so freaking obvious, even to the casual observer, that the liberal media is going to go into full tilt overdrive for their man Barry. TC is grinning ear to ear, because he knows of what I speak… watch and learn.

Where was he trying to stick his toucan stub?

BILL CLINTON ISNT PRESIDENT ANYMORE!!!!!!!!!!!111111111111111

Were they paid 5 figure settlements, as well? And did the CEO of Politico issue a bunch of qualified non-denials, too?

Wow. The media coming out with “anonymous” sources on a Cain story. That was predictable. Of course, I’m certain Politico did their due diligence in vetting their sources. Yeah, right. Let us know when the “anonymous” sources choose not to be so cowardly and there might be something here. Until then, this is a hit job by the left. 

I read the full Politico report and one thing that jumped out at me was Politico’s use of the term “separation package” as though it was interchangeable with “settlement”.

Separation packages and settlements (as in compensation for damages) are two entirely different things. 

Why would the “liberal media” want to tear down Herman Cain? He’s a clown who has 0 chance of ever beating Obama. If anything they’d want to build him up.

Not that I expect conservatrolls to understand things like logic, but nonetheless.

Oh, you mean from the producer who worked for him for years while he was “harassing” her and taped all of his phone calls? Her suit was as valid as this hit piece.

They go all out on Herman , but have yet to expose the shady past of The Maharajah Barry .

The extremely ruthless way he became a Senator , the book he had ghostwritten , the lack of records released , the many , many lies about his past are still waiting for some real reporter to kick over that rock .

There are journalistic prizes to be won , just no one with  guts to do it .

Well, at the least the media didn’t wait until the point of maximum damage to run the story, as they did with that nothing McCain “sex scandal.”

Slick willie made stuff like this irrelevant.  He took advantage of women his whole career and the left said it had nothing to do with his job.

Tommy should understand this.

we have to respect they at least didn’t name the women, but this is why we don’t run non vetted candidates like Cain.

Take your racist rear back to your bund meeting Pubboy.

Maybe it wae Betty and Veronica.

Let me guess, pubic hair on a Coke can? No? A Pepsi can? A pizza? “I did not have sexual relations with that woman, Miss Lewinsky”, I only let her bob on my knob.”

Don’t these women know that when you are on the Cain train, you are not to speak unless spoken to!

Maybe Cain and Gingrich can compare techniques in their forthcoming Lincoln-Douglas “debate.”

“I don’t want him to be president and I don’t think he should be.” – Newt’s first wife Marianne.

“We had oral sex. He [Newt Gingrich] prefers that modus operandi because then he can say, ‘I never slept with her.’” – Anne Manning, former campaign worker for married Gingrich.  Manning was also married at the time. (Vanity Fair –Sep. 1995)

Gingrich also lived and slept with his present wife Callista while he was still married to Marianne. (NY Daily News – Aug 12, 1999)

NEITHER IS GEORGE W. BUSH!!!!!!!!!!! CLINTON COULDN’T GET ENOUGH BUSH!!!!!!!!!!

Need a hug?

You’ve stil got Bachmann, though!

Chin up, pardner!

How is calling Cain a clown racist? He’s just telling the truth.

“Both women received separation packages that were in the five-figure range.

Consider it a closed matter.  If Bill O’Reilly was allowed to sexually harass women and still be the culture warrior, then Herman Cain can still be the leader of the Republican party. Besides, he is a person of deep faith.

How will all the religious, righteous, bigots on the right explain this one away?  Doesn’t this type of behavior go against their creed?  Oopsie!  More hypocritical behavior from the right.  I’m just surprised the accusers weren’t men.  That would make more sense since so many male Republican politicians get caught with their pants down around other men despite publicly denouncing homosexuality.

You sound like just the man for the job. Show some guts!

Let’s not bother going into the flat out fictions in your post. Instead, let’s deal with the historical outcomes.

Clinton was largely immune to this sort of rumor . . . until he was caught lying about a relationship.

In politics, it’s always the cover-up and not the crime that gets you hoist by the short and curlies. Let’s see how this plays out for Mr. Cain.

The ones who are a threat to the establishment politicians, the corporate culture, are the ones who get trashed. Palin, now Cain, and anyone else who threatens the entrenched ruling class, will be taken out.

The ironic thing is, the people making the most noise about this are the same people that supported Clinton and John Edwards till the end. 

Respectable not to name them? Sure. But this allegedly happened in 1999 and they are just now coming forward with their stories and they also allegedly took huge payments to keep quiet. I want to know how much and find out their political leanings. I’m sure Politico knows both and I don’t think that is too much to ask for. 

Don’t take the talking points so seriously. It will eat you up inside.

Ugh, disturbing images :/

Cain does clown, i.e., “Imagine Eating Pizza”

Yeah, and Barack and Michele and I had a three-some.
Two DNC paid sluts…

an “accusation” older then 12 months, which was never progressed to a charge or law suit or even a serious investigation by the proper authorities, is a no story, however, PROGRESSIVES do have the talent and ability to turn Bull into a story.  out of this world………….

You do know what sexual harrasment is don’t you?

Alternatively, perhaps all the things you cite are either bullshit or of no interest to sane people, and so haven’t been taken up by sane people.

Just a thought.

I guess you’ll just have to “take your country back.”

Poor widdle wingnut, things are vewwwwwy hard for you in the US, I know.

Racism doesn’t exist anymore, remember?

If this brings the Cain campaign to a halt, who will the (Republicans Love) Koch Brothers and Americans For Prosperity run in his place?

So you’d trust Anita Hill, then…given that she chose not to be so cowardly, right?

I think the story made clear that the two women did NOT come forward and signed non-disclosure agreements as a condition for their settlements.

BILL CLINTON ISNT PRESIDENT ANYMORE!!!!!!!!!11111 JOHN ENSIGN ISNT A SENATOR ANYMORE!!!!!!!!!!!11111 LARRY CRAIG ISNT A SENATOR ANYMORE!!!!!!!!11111

I think the flip-flopper is a shoe-in. Romney can be an effective whore for the KOCK brothers, and their “freedom” agenda.

Seeing as how it’s a ‘his word vs. her word’ situation with no evidence one way or the other, I can’t imagine this changing a lot of attitudes. The folks that like him will believe him and vice versa.
BillO survived his scandal, despite the tapes. Bill Clinton faced allegations and they never hurt him (though Paula “Celebrity Boxing” Jones didn’t exactly work to help her credibility). This will likely pass as well.

Teapartiers lack the smarts and sanity to realize how a story like this could impact their candidate. They think that them just dismissing this as the librul LSM at work is all it takes to make the story go away. They think that because they don’t believe something, no one else will. That’s stupid, but that’s what teaparty is.

Meanwhile, I’ve got about eight posts focusing on three (out of four) of the reporters on the Politico story and showing how they’re wrong about other stories. I got absolutely no help with that from the teapartiers.

If the teapartiers were smart they would have helped me with that before, and Politico might not have written such a story or might have done it in a different way.

That’s what the teapartiers would have done if they were smart. They didn’t, because they simply lack the smarts and sanity to help themselves.

–
24ahead.com/

Yawn.

It appears that Mr. Cain fails epically on both the idea front and the virtue front.

So it seems like MLK’s vision is coming at least partially true — the color of Cain’s skin is irrelevant to judging him. The content of his character, however . . .

The same way self-righteous, bigots on the left explain it. A hit piece by Politico at the behest of their progressive masters. As for the rest of your post, they are doing wonderful things with psychotherapy these days. You are mentally ill.

LOL

This is serious and I think we should hold off until there’s more concrete evidence. Cain doesn’t seem like a serious lech, certainly not in the nutty Clarence Thomas league or Newt Gingrich callousness class. I’m not up on political sex stories but the Democrats have their share, John Edwards and, certainly Bill Clinton abused his wife, but look at how she handled it! The TP Republicans are running out of people and it’s not as if they can go down and scrape the barrell any deeper. There’s Jeb, but I don’t think the American public is ready for another Bush. Big trouble in River City, also known as chickens coming home to roost.

I never believed her either. Timing is a lot in these stories. If you remember correctly, Hill came forward at the end of the confirmation hearings when Thomas was an overwhelming lock for SCOTUS.

But at least she had the courage to not be “anonymous”. 

There IS evidence.  There are the settlement agreements that show five figure hush money payouts.

The liberal media is doing their best to destroy our democracy.  It’s shameful yet predictable how they relentlessly go after one side.  It’s why nobody trusts or believes what they “report”.  Anonymous sources?  You have got to be kidding me. 

Any what about the settlement agreements that show five figure hush money payouts?
Cain is done.  Time for him to drop out of the race then go have a pizza and a cigarette.

you ever heard of the phrase “mutual consent”?

(see:  clinton, spitzer, et al)

Simple. If he wins the primary, he steals away some of of the African-American and independent votes. 

I wouldn’t expect a liberal to understand simplicity though. 

so politico is liberal??

hahahahaha

you realize there’s a gaping chasm between these two, right?

a) unwanted sexual advances

b) mutual consent

so, politico is liberal now?

I don’t get Politico’s decision to not publish the names of the two former employees “for privacy reasons.”  I agree this should not be done with minors who are victims or perpetrators of offenses, or adult victims of alleged sexual assault.  The privacy thing should not however be used to cover for the fact that the former employees will not go on record. 

Politico has done some questionable things recently.  Just a few weeks ago, they fired an employee after an extensive investigation that lasted hours.  In their announcement, they never said the reporter intentionally plagiarized anyone.  Then they removed from their site the stories where plagiarism was alleged.

Looks like correctness has gone so far overboard that no one can say what a firing offense is or who were the former employees from 20 years ago. 

Cue the mindless outrage.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!  I knew the implosion would come but i never thought it would be so much fun!!!

So long,Herbie…it was nice knowing you!!

Well if it’s true and if it hurts Mr. Cain’s chances then so be
it.  But everybody knows that if he was a
democrat his numbers would go up not down because most of the time Republicans
hold their party members to a higher standard of conduct than democrats hold
theirs. 

Case in point Diaper Dave Vitter.

While Cain fails to consider the Lord in all things benefit falls to the American Trucking Association…men with names like Issa, Hatch and Blunt.  Right wing moderates gain doubly… a Tea Party favorite damaged enough to push Romney forward and a Tea Party constituency that blames every revelation on the left.  Cain is damaged and the Tea’s are angry… exactly the position the moderates have designed.  

“ It’s shameful yet predictable how they relentlessly go after one side. ”

Were you this squeamish when the so-called “liberal media” went after Bill Clinton for his sexual adventures for many years?

soooooo deep

big up to mark prior, what a great guy

uh, anthony weiner was held to a pretty high standard

which is now a totally new standard

If only someone could pay Herman Cain to keep quiet.

Maybe she was a Chilean Model.  Bwaaaaaa!

Hahaha….well said. I personally think those women just had an axe to grind with the man tho. Not a big Cain fan, but, I will give him the benefit of doubt knowing how a lot of women act in the corporate world. So here is a non-conservative being sympathetic to Cain. 

This sounds like a Karl Rove hit job, but the Left gets the blame. LOL

Typical. 

When it’s dirt on a conservative, it’s a “hit piece,” but when it strikes at a liberal, it’s “the truth.”

You’re a walking parody of conservative victimization syndrome.

So a hit piece by a white house lackey at Politico and the other lackey here at mediate picks it up.. Unnamed sources, physical gestures that were not overtly sexual (whatever the heck the means), conversations allegedly filled with innuendos. …Cmon, what a joke. And 20 years ago.  Tommy, how can anyone take you seriously anymore. You are one sick individual. 

Clinton wasn’t a bible-quoting moralizer like most of the Republican candidates today. This kind of thing is relevant when it runs counter to the image the candidate has worked carefully to craft. 

Herman Cain is the dream candidate for the Democrats to run against. His a walking, talking gaffe machine with an economic plan that stinks to high heaven. If that so-called liberal media you’re so frightened of was looking to protect Obama, they’d have buried this deep and waited to spring it NEXT October. 

Sorry, but your theory isn’t worth a bucket of hot spit.

Geraldo asks Juan for backup on how he knows this is coming from the conservatives rather than liberals.

Somehow, when Coulter states that this is a “high-tech lynching” by liberals, no proof is required!?!

Thank you Thank you Thank you

BEST LAUGH I’VE HAD ALL DAY

Their first 2 attempts, Bachmann and Perry.

Craig, Ensign, Foley, Sanford, Gingrich (while going after Clinton), Allen, Ryan, Packwood, Lee…..

Are you saying that O’Reilly was innocent? Because that’s what he tried to say…until he was told there were tapes. Settlement quickly followed.

Typical conservative reaction to bad news about their candidate. 

I am disappointed.
I was looking forward to him being nominated.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Soros…..*drink*

…and sausage!

You do realize that Slick Willie was accused of sexual assault by more than one person. Before you say it was just “he said/she said” inuendo and never formally charged, you might want to remember that standard when talking about other people.  

“so politico is liberal?”

You don’t follow politics very much do you?

Yes…if those animals were paid to shut up!

If the media intends to do investigative reporting of this sort, it needs to investigate politicians on both the Left and the Right.  But you aren’t a responsible journalist if you run with these vague allegations against Cain after refusing to look into much more damaging allegations against up Clinton, Edwards, Weiner, etc.  Remember how Rachel Maddow covered up for Anthony Weiner, and when the allegations could no longer be denied, she brought in Larry Flynt as her expert on ethics?   How can you take people like that seriously when they act like the morality police when Herman Cain is under attack?  Answer:  you can’t. 

No need to psychologically project you Nancy!

Well…Cain is being given the chance to respond. Politico has the names of the women. 

Americans who dismiss Paula Jones as a tawdry sideshow may be in for a
surprise. Her case is not weak enough to be simply or quickly thrown
out of the courts. There is believable evidence that Jones was summoned
to the then Governor Clinton’s hotel room, that she met alone
with him and that when she emerged she quickly told several people that
she had been humiliated by Clinton’s sexual overtures-and recounted virtually all the details she would later spell out in her legal complaint.

I heard the same thing. Must be true.

Link.

Bill Clinton really did have sexual relations with a real person and was caught lying about it.

Herman Cain is being slandered by a “news organization” that employs several journolists who were caught conspiring on how the shape the news against conservatives.

I seriously doubt Cain is done. Remember that the same thing happened to Arnold
Schwarzenegger during his first run as governor and there were a lot of
woman who spoke openly spoke about him harassing them. Same happened to
Bill Clinton too. If Cain survives this and there is a good chance he
will then this won’t be a 2012 election issue.

i don’t follow politics??!?!?!?!?!

(quote of the day)

For some reason, I don’t recall you being this indignant when this story came out.
http://www.mediaite.com/online/obama-sex-scandal-national-enquirer/

A dose of reality would significantly improve your posts.

All of the allegations you allude to with regard to Clinton, Edwards, and Weiner were “looked into” by the media with an intensity that would light up the back side of the moon. To pretend that such things were covered up is, in fact, to lie. Which is what you’re doing here.

While you might make a case that Maddow “supported” Weiner too long — up to the point that he admitted his behavior — she never tried to cover up anything.

There is a difference between pointing out allegations have not been proven yet and trying to block someone from revealing the truth. But that’s a distinction I don’t expect you to be able to make, so just do the rest of us a favor and stop making shit up.

i wasn’t the one who made this claim, sir:

“We can now watch all the apologists for Slick Willie rise up in righteous indignation….”

i don’t dismiss her……i was merely reacting to got_a_grip’s statement

kind of an important point

Naah. I love it when he keeps talking. Anything that throws the unfitness of the Republican slate of candidates into such high relief needs to be celebrated, not suppressed.

Herb has offended 99% of the black voters and most of the racist GOP’ers wouldn’t vote for him so unless the Kock brothers can rig the election…

Americans who dismiss Paula Jones as a tawdry sideshow may be in for a
surprise. Her case is not weak enough to be simply or quickly thrown
out of the courts. There is believable evidence that Jones was summoned
to the then Governor Clinton’s hotel room, that she met alone
with him and that when she emerged she quickly told several people that
she had been humiliated by Clinton’s sexual overtures-and recounted virtually all the details she would later spell out in her legal complaint.

I can’t wait for Jeffrey Toobin to deride whatever CNN anchor that reports this unsourced news.

I suppose, but Cain was going to self-destruct anyway, and I tend to think that the nuclear option is most potent when it’s not exercised.

So I’m not sure why the GGOP (Grownup Grand Old Party) would risk overt manipulation just to make Cain fall flat on his face.

I was blowing your “mutual consent” argument to smithereens, loon. None too bright?

sez the hard core edwards supporter…LOL!

Yes. Politico is liberal.

Next question.

D’oh: Payoffs.

Always has been.

More rhetorical than honest opinion… you are right… Cain seems dedicated to his own disqualification.  

Would it be ok to draw a clown face on Cain?

nice cut ‘n paste there, texan

no, politico is not liberal.  next question.

does ms. jones have a witness, video/audio?  

no. she doesn’t.  

now, next woman:  ms. lewinsky.  the ONLY woman with evidence.

and it was……..mutual consent, thank you.  

politico might be liberal if you’re a member of today’s republican party

ANYTHING to the left of herman cain is liberal.  

That’s a big if and if you didn’t notice, Rove went against Cain last week on Faux News and listed all of his faults.

This story has Rove’s filthy fingerprints all over it. The GOP Establishment wants Romeny or Perry as their nominee so this hit piece is just what they needed to take down Cain.

true

nice rebuttal…you lose. ;)

Yeah, and loses everyone else. Yep that’s simple all right, if what you mean is simple-minded.

Yes it is. Next question.

News, did you actually read the article or do you like  most conservatives have problems with reading comprehension?

The sources for this story were board members who saw the terms of the sexual harrassment settlements, not the women who accused Cain.

No. Anything that is liberal is liberal.

Keep up.

I’m not going to play any more of these drinking games until I’m sure I can get a new liver from the national health service.

priceless

…though i do wish politico gad outed this AFTER Cain was the nominee!

No he wasn’t. He stuck around for days.

No, you were the one that brought up the difference between “unwanted sexual advances” and “mutual consent”,  and implied Clinton was somehow less guilty.  The truth is that at this point Cain is guilty of neither, while Clinton admitted his guilt (when forced to).  These facts will not stop many who rationalized Clinton’s behavior from going after Cain with rabid zeal.  

Hahaha Oh Toobin is such a joke as a legal commentary person. He cracks me up with how slanted he is.

The two women who suggested that Clinton had assaulted them weren’t merely laughed out of court, they were laughed out of prosecutors’ offices before they got to the courthouse door.

No “he said/she said” — in these cases “the prosecutor said.”

In short, before you start trotting out 30-year-old lies, get a grip.

Sit down and stfu, socky.

Amid the Monica Lewinsky scandal in 1998, President Bill Clinton is photographed carrying a Bible on his way to church.

In all fairness, only those two women and Mr Cain know for sure.  If there were witnesses, Politico has’nt produced them and as I understand it, they’ve sat on the story for 10 days.

The truth is liberal…and so are scientific facts. Guffaw.

“The Bible is the authoritative Word of God and contains all truth”

Guess who, socky?

Liberalism: a worldview not characterized by meanspiritedness, lies, racism, bullying, incoherence, nativism, anitintellectualism, or excessive religious display — THAT liberalism.

Don’t these people revere Kennedy who killed someone? I’m too young to know everything historically.

Quote from transcript  – Speech given by President Bill
Clinton at a church on Martha’s Vineyard, Aug 28, 1998 – Anniversary of
March on Washington

“And so, it is important that we are able to forgive those we believe
have wronged us even as we ask for forgiveness from people we have
wronged.
And I heard that first — first in the civil rights
movement. Love thy neighbor as thyself.”

Sure he was. I was there and I made him sign a separation agreement. We are never to talk about it.

Keep up.

SAY HELLO TO OUR NEXT 2ND TERM PRESIDENT OBAMMMOO LOOKS LIKE ALL REPUBLICAN
CONTENDERS FOR THE WHITE HOUSE CAN GO HOME.

well, i suppose a bush endorsement of Politico does make it quite liberal, 
as bush is *far* to the left of today’s republican party

The case was dismissed because she was seen to have suffered no harm.

And I’ll leave it to the majority of the the American people — and not some anonymous person with the monicker of “Texan” — to decide whether she should be dismissed (that word again) as a tawdry sideshow.

you first brought up slick willie to somehow diminish or distract from cain’s alleged behavior

without really having any evidence that clinton did anything beyond mutual consent

all we have on clinton is mutual consent

we’ll have to wait and see what the deal with cain is…..

i have personally made no comment on mr. cain, as you can see

you know, george bush was a big fan of politico

It’s all the media’s fault… yawn.

I’m shocked!  An ordained Baptist Minister like Herman Cain?  Why…I would never in a thousand years even believe such a thing was possible.

ROTFLMBAO!!!

–Cobra

Paula Jones agreed to drop her sexual harassment lawsuit against
President Clinton on Nov. 13 in return for $850,000 – but no apology or
admission of guilt from the president.

As a conservative, my candidate of choice isn’t Cain. However, I think of this as a hit piece. I’m also a female and I know that some females can overreact when it comes to sex topics in the workplace. That doesn’t make their “grievances” any less but perhaps Cain was just more relaxed and thought he had that leeway and the females didn’t know his personality type. Who knows. It’s a legal situation. As said below, only Cain, the lawyers involved and the women know. Anything else is speculation.

STUPID

So because a conservative says something is liberal, I’m supposed to take their word to heart? Sorry, but while I thought Bush was a solid character of a President, I don’t agree with Bush on stuff.

Now go and occupy something.

I agree, it would do maximum damage next October, not now.

i agree

No – Except for incoherence.

Politico has a lot of incoherent writing. And false writing. Plain and simple, it’s liberal gossip. I used to visit it often. It went off the psycho deep-end though.

WCinWI,

you really need to go back and read Politico’s reporting during the bush years

hence, bush was a big, big fan

(see:  every single f*cked up thing bush did, politico was right there to “report” it)

Whatever you used to blow up “mutual consent” turns out to have been a damp squib. Clinton (maybe) came on to Jones and she (purportedly) declined (although one witness said she thought the idea of being his girlfriend was great). Nevertheless, Clinton and Jones “mutually consented” to not have a sexual relationship.

As a side note, celebrating failures as successes only works with the deranged; projecting your own intellectual challenges on opponents much smarter than yourself only highlights how short of the mark you fall.

obviously no admission of apology or guilt

do you really expect him to give someone 850,000 AND admit guilt??!

I read Politico frequently. While it’s not in the tank for the wingnutariat to the extent that Fox is, calling it “liberal” is preposterous.

Unless of course your definition of “liberal” is “educated enough to spell reasonably well.”

How is Palins lawsuit coming?

Has anyone run that past Vera Baker? Or is she still hanging out with Natalee Holloway?

Are you saying that if the womens political ideology jibes with your own they have more credibility? 

“celebrating failures as successes only works with the deranged;”

Have you read 90% of the posts on this thread? Wow…Just…wow.

Glad to see I wasn’t the only one who noticed that. Of course the right will have nothing to say about Ann’s ‘they’re trying to hold the black conservative down’ rant. Wasn’t it a Cain ad that asked why it’s always about color? I think they’re position is more along the lines of “don’t talk about color unless it benefits us.”

“WCinWI replied to you
I can’t wait for a Cain vs. Obama debate.”

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

According to the story, these women took payment based on a non-disclosure agreement, which, if true, they’ve now violated. So, no reason for them not to be front and center and tell us all about what Clarence Thomas Herman Cain did to them.

LOL!

And Jeb only looks good by comparison (like Christie and Huckabee) with people who are actually running. Put him out there and all the old baggage will begin to drop at his feet.

Yeah, rape doesn’t count. Nor does knocking up a staffer while your cancer stricken wife is telling the world what an awesomely righteous guy you are.

darla doesn’t like facts unless she makes them up herself.

I know you like Cain. :) However, I believe someone else told the Politico folks and it wasn’t the females.

I swear, there are ruminations of this being a Romney-link piece. And that sickens me.

Man, if only the entire world would pay attention to you, everything would be perfect! And still, Alexa can barely find you.

Life is not fair.

How many JournoListers does it take?

I’m sorry, but Politico is the one organization where I would stand up for liberal women if I saw them use bad pictures to depict a story. They constantly used bad photos and horrible writers across the board.

I don’t care about what was reported against Bush on Politico or if Bush liked them or not. I think Politico is horrible. And they annoy me with their smugness on Morning Joe.

Just fine from my understanding.

Cain’s not my dude. :)

HAHAHAHAHAHA

It is a sad fact that no American can be elected to high office today without professing some reasonably sane (as these things go), non-Catholic Christian faith. No Muslims, no Scientologists, no animists (and most of all — no atheists!).

As a matter of political survival, ambitious pols have to do a certain amount of the sackcloth-and-ashes routine (or the “happy-dappy-jesus” variant).

But that is a long country mile from being a bible-quoting moralizer, as the entire Republican field has characterized itself. Which gives lefties greater immunity from these periodic ”did-he-bonk-that-babe?” eruptions.

You mean any rag that does not kiss Palins a$$ is Librul

Like REDSTATE

OK . . . you lost me on that one. You’re clearly dazed by something, I just haven’t put my finger on what.

If there is no cause, that actually explains a lot.

Good point. As for the source, I’m hearing Perry. Nothing concrete, though.

Clinton admitted he perjured himself and surrendered his law license in a deal that kept him from being indicted.

The lawsuit had already been dismissed. Jones’ new lawyers (her original counsel having resigned after she refused to accept a previous settlement) were appealing the dismissal.

It was obvious to everyone that there was an endless supply of funding to continue appeals for years and the Clinton team decided it was better policy to shut the suit down — notably with no apology. Should they have fought on? Maybe, maybe not.

However the acceptance of the settlement offer without apology did prove one thing: it had stopped being a case of what Paula Jones was and become a case of dickering over the price.

You realize Politico didn’t cite the women at all in the story, right? They didn’t violate their NDA by anything in that story, per my legal education and undoubtedly your lack thereof.

Yes, how dare he betray THE TEAM!!!!!!!!!

are you talking about newt?

In your completely opaque post, you failed to mention either Maria Halpin or Carrie Phillips.

But you got in Natalee Holloway (?), so I guess all is forgiven.

Quote from transcript  – Speech given by President Bill
Clinton at a church on Martha’s Vineyard, Aug 28, 1998 – Anniversary of
March on Washington

“And so, it is important that we are able to forgive those we believe
have wronged us even as we ask for forgiveness from people we have
wronged.
And I heard that first — first in the civil rights
movement. Love thy neighbor as thyself.”

Publius –

If you’re going to make an accusation, man up and make an accusation face to face. It’s not my fault you like weak-kneed politicians like O.

If you had a legal education, you wouldn’t spend your time on this site.

Epic fail.

Journolist.

Epic fail on your part.

Widdle -

I don’t like Red State. Another meme broken. Loves it.

Good piece Tommy. I especially like how  you pointed out how anonymous the sources were. POLITICO is borderline reaching here. 20 year old allegations that were amicably settled no less should have some facts to show what the issue was specifically, and what bearing they have on Cain. If POLITICO doesn’t want to share the details then they should have rethought the story.

He’s fucked.

Now we know that the Democrats are taking Cain seriously: they’re using poorly sourced smears from unnamed sources.

Next Tina Fey will make up something he’s supposed to have said and we’ll hear he likes black chicks.

My question to Cain: ‘If you did nothing or said nothing; why wore these woman paid?”

Liberal hate and racism this will not have staying power. We know a racist attack when we see one.

All you guys that send me such nice love letters ask me to show you a proven case of Liberal racism and look it right in front of you. Unknown white women alleged an unproven sexual harassment charge. Blatant Racism.

From unnamed sources-

Two white women that did not like a black man being so powerful in the company, filed harassment charges against the black man. Because there was no evidence and the women’s animosity would be a detriment to work in the company, they were given small severance packages and shown the door.

So, what we have here is another instance of the white man keeping the black man down and of course who is leading the charge?

Typical.

I am going to give you a preview of a shocking comparison that I was asked to make by a liberal friend of mine. He stated that Beck made comparison of Obama to Hitler. He wanted me to look at it and see if it has validity.

Both were born to parents of questionable character, Hitler,  “He was the illegitimate son of Maria Anna
Schicklgruber and her unknown mate, which may have been someone from the
neighborhood or a poor mill worker named Johann Georg Hiedler. {“David Meir
Adolf Hitler rise to power. } Obama was born to “Stanley Ann Dunham. An
extraordinary, somewhat headstrong, woman who lived most of her adult life in
Indonesia” {Tom Groenfeldt,
Forbes Magazine.}” Sally Jacobs  reported
the following regarding Obama parents, the report was based on  memo from a United States Government
immigration Official “Subject (Obama Snr) got his USC (US citizen) wife
‘Hapai’ (Hawaiian for pregnant) and although they were married, they do not
live together and Miss Dunham is making arrangements with the Salvation Army to
give the baby away.” The Hawaii student adviser had also said, according
to the memo, that the elder Obama “has been running around with several
girls.” The Kenyan student “had been cautioned about his playboy
ways,” the memo added. } “in a section of the 1961 memo that the Nation
has previously reported, the US immigration agency expressed concern about the
Hawaii student adviser’s suspicion that Obama Snr had more than one wife.”{Kevin
J Kelley 8 July 2011, Daily Nation on the web. Taken from All Africa dot com.

“Bad parents think it’s
everyone else’s fault and responsibility when little Joey or Jane turns out to
be a societal nightmare.”{unknown quotes} The parents of both Adolf Hitler and
Obama were both irresponsible and brought unwanted children into the world. The
hurt and pain of rejection scarred the soul of both men and was the driving
force in their character. Instead of having the tender loving care of parents
they were treated with the cold hand of rejection.

In describing his boyhood, Hitler later said of himself that he was an
argumentative little ring leader who liked to stay outside and hang around with
‘husky’ boys. His half brother Alois later described him as quick to anger and
spoiled by his indulgent mother. City kids also looked down on country
kids who went to the school. He was very lonely and extremely unhappy. He did
quite poorly his first year, getting kept back.  .”{Kevin J Kelley 8 July
2011, Daily Nation on the web. Taken from All Africa dot com}

“A biography of his mother, this book offers just a few
direct insights into Obama: as a youngster in Indonesia he learned to remain
calm when other kids tried to provoke him over his dark skin…a calmness which
has remained with him. In Hawaii as a young man, he chose to grow into his
identity as a black man. The President also told Scott that he decided to raise
his family in more stable environment that he had experienced as a child,
shipped between his mother in Indonesia and her parents in Hawaii. He also has
the dry wit that friends noted in his mother.”{Tom Groenfeldt,
Forbes Magazine.}

The formative years of these two men lives was one of loneliness
, Hitler was forced to attend school where he was picked on because he was from
the city. Obama was school in a madras school in Indonesia where he also was
abused and picked on. The similarities of their birth and childhood is striking.

The comparison of high school and university years
is very difficult. Obama data during this period  has been cloaked in a shroud of Secrecy that
makes the Iran’s nuclear  program open and transparent as compared to Obama
records. Reasonable men can not help but ponder does the President have a deep
dark secrecy that he is hiding.? To spend close to two million dollars to seal
the records. This smells of rotting fish on a Keyan dock.  “The cruelest lies are often told in silence.” {ROBERT
LOUIS STEVENSON, Virginibus  The second part is their rise to power is also frighteningly similar.

Darladoon,
you must do a little reading. Try goggling or yahooing Paula Jones and Arkansas
Governor William Jefferson Clinton. Here, I’ll make it simple for you; just
copy and paste the following: “Clinton + sexual harassment” You’ll find a great
deal about Clinton’s ham-handed attempts at sexual harassment. So no there is
no “all we have on Clinton is mutual consent.” Doesn’t necessarily
get Cain off the hook, but Clinton was a serial cheater and harasser. A huge
difference between Cain and Clinton. If it wasn’t enough to derail Clinton’s
presidential aspirations and campaign, then it shouldn’t be enough to derail
Cain (although I am sure the leftist media, aka: the main stream media, will make
sure it will do just that).

HATE,

You offer quantities of supporting (circumstantial) evidence, but, no thesis, no assertion to tell the reader  how or what to evaluate in your research?  Ergo, what is your point?  Steer me in a direction, at least nominally. Are you moving toward a predetermined conclusion, or, waiting to be surprised?

 What will this dichotomy tell me, what is/are your assumption(s)?  I can guess, but, I’d rather you proffer an inkling of direction?

Purveyor

Hey Dave,

Glad to see you back in action!  The new guy, “WITHOUT HATE,” impressed me last night.  In fact, I think he really confused some Liberals by being so reasonable…  LOL

Purveyor

I have no predetermined conclusion and no thesis. I am looking at a statement that Beck made for a friend and seeing if there is data to back up the statement. I trust my friend. He  said Beck made the statement. I do not know, I do not listen to Beck. Birth and childhood have similarities. I am not a al gore global warming scam artist draw a conclusion and then make date fit an agenda. Very little information on Obama so it is not easy. I like your replies they are thought provoking.

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Neither can I
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!

and mark foley?

This strikes me as a somewhat pointless exercise, in that a comparison of any two men’s childhoods would result in an equal number of similarities and differences. The fact that Obama is demonstrably NOT Hilter’s evil twin further increases the twaddle factor of this posting.

By any chance, is the author an aspiring academic who’s been unable to resist the Siren song of Wikipedia?

And I’d trust your unnamed sources as much as I’d trust Politico’s. Which is to say, not very much without further verification.

Are you saying you have that verification now?

Tina is a great comic, but playing Herman Caine is going to be a really big stretch for her.

I think Herman Cain is an idiot, but these allegations don’t sound so bad to me.  First, they happened more than a decade ago.  Second, a 5 figure deal that includes leaving your job doesn’t really sound like much in terms of a settlement.  Third, while the details of the complaints in the story are vague, what they do say doesn’t rise to the level of sexual harassment – their headline is “inappropriate behavior.”

If I was Cain, I’d probably drag this out so everyone focuses on whether or not I gave someone the finger in the presence of a lady instead of, you know, all the stupid shit that I can’t keep from coming out of my mouth.

No one believes Cain will be an issue next October.

i am sure the women had it coming…
you know for conservatives no means yes and if a woman gets raped–she most likely deserved it -by wearing clothes—THAT REVEALED MORE THAN THE ANKLES…

roosters are roorstin..
at least you have mitt–the father of obamacare and defender of a womans choice to kill her baby..

2012-2012——-we will be rejoicing in 2012

You’re right Herman Cain did say that

Have to reply to myself….but you realize the guy who started this AWFUL worthless site which you inhabit so regularly has a legal education, right?

“I think it is these women’s fault, if they get sexually harassed, they only have themselves to blame”. signed Herman Cain

Waldorf Salad.

Epic fail.

(apologies to Eugene Ionesco)

On a very special O’Reilly Factor, Bill and Herman compare the sizes of their sexual harrassment settlement­s.

wow–i must be con-soive-addive –god knows my spelling and sux….

oh well–it is not what you say–it is how you spin it~
who cares about reality any more anyway..

everyone is liberal and christians and white people are besieged….
yet the country is conservative and jesus the carpenter built the moon and stars with the dinosaurs..

i guess reality means–you believe what you wand and all you need are blinders, a keyboard and a little faith..

so that makes it alright…

again–conservative bad behavior–that they once abhored—considered oKyDoky–becuase Bill Clinton did it..

the GOP playground debate stratedgy—MOMMY–HE DID IT FIRST…
what ever–
it would be nice for the ‘good’ folks on the right to actually act like Christians–instead of making money off of faith and acting like the devil…
and but that is why Jesus has a special place foro hypocrites

That is just the teaser, the comparison for my liberals friends that hate me to examine Obama’s life. You have to start somewhere when you make a comparison. Their political statements  are closer than one would think. It an interesting exercise that will lead to hours of stimulating discussion. I will be traveling to Kenya in the new future to try to fill in the gaping holes in Obama early life. This is for my own pleasure-in fairness a group will be sponsoring the trip.

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Who said white women?
Have not seen mention of race of women involved.

Frequently done when a payoff is easier than proving something didn’t happen. Hard to prove it did or didn’t’ happen, and court cases can drag on forever, ruining everybody’s reputation even if charges are dropped.

Arnold said he was not always a gentleman and got elected anyway. People knew who he was and who he “hung out” with. An honest rogue is preferred to a dishonest moralist.

Just like the did for Arnold in CA.

Come on you guys. SOMEBODY had to interject a little sex scandal into the race. We should think Herb for being the one to do it.

Wait. There was something about Perry, wasn’t there? Too quiet. Seems to have petered out. (Is that bad language?)

Knock yourself out.

Good luck on that “interesting exercise” and “stimulating discussion” stuff.

“IT’S ALIVE, IT’S ALIVE…”

Gene Wilder, Young Frankenstein

I have made the assertion, as much as 10 years ago, that Black America, is the bastion of group racism in America. (Per capita, of course)  Moreover, that is the result of charlatans such as Al Sharpton, Rev. Wright, Louis Farrakhan and Jesse Jackson…

MLK, lead African American’s to the edge of “the promised land,” the above mentioned men, have led them back into the “wilderness.”

HOWEVER, that being said, there is still, white on black, vestigial racism.  Some White Fathers, will still wince at the thought of their daughter dating a Black man. (and vice versa)  So too for the purposes of this comment, some White voters would be bothered by a Black Man chasing White women around the office?  Hence, is the assertion real, or, a crude tactic?

Nevertheless, America has come a long, long way toward negating racism, Al Sharpton and Jesse Jackson not withstanding.

Purveyor

Yeah, serial rapists/murders tend to remain within their own racial group.  Hence, I guess serial mashers, like, oh, Clarence Thomas, stick to their own racial group too?  Ouch!

Purveyor

Well, there is some reasonable conservatives, I am just not one of them. Now I can be reasonable, just do not swing that way typically. I guess being the youngest of five boys tends to make you sink or swim.

Will look for his/her comments.

You hit it on the nose. My unnamed sources are as good or better than Politicos.

Quite true.

“All truth passes through three stages.  First, it is ridiculed.  Second, it is violently opposed.  Third, it is accepted as being self evident.”  Arthur Schopenhauer

As EXPATPATRIOT said to you, “knock yourself out.”

Good luck, Purveyor

He writes voluminously, but, tends to get ahead of himself.  (I never do that LOL)  On this thread, he wrote about (serious) research he is doing comparing the upbringing of Obama and Hitler!  The old Godwin affect comes to mind, but, he seems earnest.  

His comment is long and  above this one the thread, toward the top.  Let me know what you think?

What would you call sexual harassment vs. inappropriate behavior?
It was serious enough for them to leave their jobs and get paid off.

I put my mom and Dad through a lot of challenging time for them due to my taste for variety in my gratification partners as a foolish young man. My family is the Jessie Jackson rainbow. I hate racism and hidden racism is the worse kind.

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Speculative nonsense.

The intricacies of the human mind and personality are far to complex for this type of comparison to be worth anything. 

It was in the account that I had sent to me. There are many news sources. I probably should not have mention that they were liberal white women. Would not have been an interesting post, If I said a two women whose skin pigmentation was not reported leveled a vicious racist attack on the front runner of the Republican Party anonymous sources have verified that the women have leveled comments of this nature against other politicians. Our field  investigators  has discovered the ladies involved have ties to the ACRON. We will continue to follow this and reported the latest developments. Stay tuned to HU PO, we make the stories up so they be more interesting.

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It has value in identifying how the two approach governing and controlling of the people For example both can mesmerize an put a mass audience in a hypnotic  trance by the mere sound of their voice. Is this a talent from a satanic master or men with just the ability to seduce with vocal cords. I am uncovering some very interesting information regarding this question.

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Maybe. A lot of speculation at this point. It could be serious, or not so serious.

He did say Clarence Thomas was an inspiration didn’t he?

When I read Coulter was in the clip I didn’t bother watching. She’s chosen to get rich by saying outrageous crap on TV.

I discovered that there is a Psychologist from Germany that is making a study on the ability of these two men to persuade the masses even when they know the words are untrue. I am trying to get permission to use his finding in the comparison.

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Fact: Men flirt with women in nature and that’s the
fact! Now if Cain wanted to another man that would be a scandal!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!   Stop! Stop! my sides hurt.

Conservative black leaders sure do get treated differently than democrat black leaders.

Imagine if Tommy had written an article about Obama’s SSN being from Connecticut….a question the campaign has never been asked; or about his college records…again, something that has never been asked.

But according to Tommy, this is “rock solid” journalism despite the anonymous sources.  I call BS on all of it – we have a sitting President who used to do coke, and you don’t have a problem with that, a sitting President who hangs out with domestic terrorists, and you don’t have a problem with that.  but a consevative black man “who knows his place” — let the lefty racists begin their high tech lynching.

I always thought godwin’s law was created to obfuscate the reality that all socialist leaning anything (country/people/etc) are statist in nature and that calling it a specific name was like the creation of hate monikers like islamaphobic or say homophobic. Just one of those fallacies of deflection.

I read through his comments and I would have to see more correlation and causal effects put to a theorem. Like you stated, just putting down facts or components does not bring anything up besides writing down data. What you do with the data is more important, IMHO.

Hitler, Obama-Statist
Hitler, Obama-Narcissistic and Pathological Liars
Hitler, Obama-Marxist in their Statist beliefs
Hitler, Obama-Troubled childhood
Hitler, Obama-Both believe that an outside entity has to be conquered or controlled to implement the marxist agenda, Hitler vilified the Jews, Obama vilifies anyone with wealth that are not in his inner circle

You know, that would be a good article to write. Now, to make it fair, I would also include others in context like say Bush and maybe some socialist leaders like Chavez.

But heck, 90% of leftists fit the profile of the sociopath. I think it is an ingrained gene or something. Those that believe they are held down by some outside source are fundamentally psychologically unsound in their mind. I got the same indoctrination crud from my schooling, I found it to be repugnant and intellectually incorrect in most of their assumptions and conclusions. It just did not add up, it never has and never will. The largest problem is their inability to see the causal effects and correlations to what is the actual fundamental problem.

First off, who has the power? Is it the companies or da Jews in Hitlers psychosis, or the government? That is the whole enchilada so to speak.

Always ask, who has the power? Now, speaking of economics, of course a sound monetary system is the fundamental problem with that right now. The manipulation of currency that does not hold it’s value.

One thing that brings back to mind is the outside demonization attribute I have mentioned earlier this month in a comment. Why is it that EVERY leftist/statist always has an outside boogeyman? It is NEVER a problem of their own devising. It is never internal to a country, an economy, an individual, etc. This is used against people like Ron Paul all the time. He states his position that we should be a more sovereign country and neo cons attack his position on that by stating the world is now a global economy or some such crud.

Look forward to anymore observations of without_hate.

Anyone with even a rudimentary understanding of the study of psychology can see your speculation and arbitrary comparisons are without merit. You might as well draw conclusions from the fact that one had a mustache and one didn’t.  

DAVE,

Nicely written.  In fact, I read it twice and probably will again.  Paragraph #5, that starts: “90% of Leftists fit the profile of the sociopath.”  The paragraph was/is close to an assertion that I made awhile back.  I wasn’t kidding either.  I just can’t account for a person or group to disregard reason.

“Hell is the absence of reason”   NietzscheThanks,

Purveyor

Going out to the pistol range today. (Colt 1911, .45)  Lately, I’ve managed a few perfect scores on the combat range.

Of course not. Where did you get that idea?

These Two men?  Just take a course in political communication.,

The psychologist is a leading psychologist in a premier in Germany. I will post his name when I get and email back. He research is base on the ability of the two men to hypnotize a mass audience with the power of the voice. He thinks that a detail study of  the two men will allow psychologist to counter act the hypnotic effect of men bent on evil. He seems to think it worth while.

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the women in question have said nothing….just prepare yourself for your frontrunner to bite the dust….the establishment republicans WILL NEVER allow any teabagging asswipe like Cain to lead their party…same goes for parry, bachmann,santorum or newtie…..you fruitloop hobbits got lots of folks elected to the House but thats as far as it goes…now return to your crossburnin and your mobile homes, sit down and STFU…..dipshits

Imagine what reporters would do to those women and their lives

They sat on it for a few reasons:
1)Timing – Sunday evening means it hits Monday papers and is timed for the weekly news cycle.
2)Veracity – They had to check that the sources were accurate and verify the story.
3)Rebuttal – Someone at Politico may have been sympathetic and contacted the campaign for a response.

Disclosure: I am a staffer for another campaign. If accurate the story is damning and it looks like the did due diligence on the story.

Maybe, The doctor is not only looking at Obama and Hitler. His study includes Billy Graham, Castro and Churchill. I find it is interesting. One has to admit that Obama has almost an evil hypnotic effect on an audience. After hearing him speak you can imagine the crowd rushing into the street to break glass in the homes of the super rich. Or throw a brick through a church. Pack up and harass wall street.

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its funny you consider POLITICO liberal…..dumbass, POLITICO is but one article from becoming The Blaze….this is the establishment republicans bringing teabagging cain down….not liberals

Racism is so evil whether it is from the right or the left. This was a racist attack. Geraldo the super liberal showed his racism. I could feel the glee coming from ever pore of his body. This is a non story.

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“Not much luck in attacking his ideas”! Near all persons with math skills laugh at 999 and many “teas” do the same!

I will be traveling to LaLa Land so as to determine the similarities between Hitler and Alexander Hamilton.  Hamilton as born to parents of questionable character.  My friend challenged me to discover the deeper connections and so of course I soon had the backing of a mysterious organization.  I believe both had Satan’s Power to wield a pen and build nations so as to kill men.  It’s not surprising that both met a violent end while trying to impart violent death on others!  I think you will be very interested in what I find and from it we will then have many more talks and things….

Where does come from? We don’t know it’s true yet,… so we don’t know if these women have an axe to grind! “Knowing how a lot of women act in the corporate world”!?

…Poor old Herman Cain.

Perhaps he should’ve paid off a few more people…

Right, a leading psychologist has determined that Obama is bent on evil. I remain very skeptical.

You only have to watch the media to see Drs and lawyers and all sorts of “experts” with real degrees who will say anything for money.

Talk to “Fox” about “not” producing witnesses.

Bill Clinton, Bill Clinton, Bill Clinton, Bill Clinton. That’s the only answer to sexual harassment charges that any man has to utter from now on.

Bill Clinton. Those are the only two words that any man has to utter to the charge of sexual harassment from now on.

Ann Coulter hit it SPOT on.. with the possible exception of romney.  I hope cain is the nominee. hte liberals are TERRIFIED of cain,  in their minds what man better to take away the white guilt vote than another black man… but this man has a lot of business experience and he’s not that same old career politician…They are TERRIFIED!  They’re about to report a man looking like hermain cain attacked their mother, lying through their teeth again, but they are so terrified they don’t care about the truth even less now, they barely did before.

you white people love to use the race card when its convince for you. Herman lame said racism isn’t holding anyone back … so he say… therefore you can’t use the race card here…. by the way, discussing someone character is not racist…However, just a note…

I thought you couldn’t say “racist” on this site,… even after “teas” make such comments! Don’t you pay some guy to to say “drink” every time you’re caught?

No, I don’t admit that at all. Obama is a good speaker, period. People often are drawn to people with great oratory skills. It goes with certain professions including politician.
A study of how oratory skills work might be interesting , but that is a far cry from “Obama and Hitler are more similar than you think”

I miss worded that. He did not say that Obama was evil. He knows that Hitler was evil. He is studying the hypnotic abilities of he voice to control the masses.

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Any pursuit of knowledge is not a wasted endeavor. You might find a common thread. I do not laugh at a man quest to enlightened him self and his friends. I do not know if you will be able to make a reasonable comparison but as Obama shares some of the traits that you are researching feel free to use my work as a point. You work could complement mine.

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You need to remind “Blaze”!

I do not know. I do not want to be biased. I can feel the hypnotic effect of Obama on his followers. I will see where the facts end up.

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Liberal racist is quite ok.

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True. I’m just being realistic.

This was not a comment on his character. This was an attack on Cain because he is a successful black man and the liberals can not handle a successful Afro -American unless he in a bar singing jingle Bo.jangles  for the masters of the plantation. Yas Sir, Mr liberal, I shine those shoes. HERMAN CAN DOES NOT SHINE ANY ONE SHOES AND I RESENT THE LIBERAL RACIST ATTACK ON A GOOD MAN. If he would  tap dance for the big money liberals this attack would not happen. President Herman Cain 2012, Believe It, Accept It, Deal with it. Please spread the word racist attack will not work against this fine man.. How are we going to stop racism if people will not be truthful about the problem.

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You are right about knowledge… everything is everything and nothing is something to someone.  I propose you look for threads from my research… I would invite you along but only one ticket to LaLa land left.  When you arrive at (NBO), make sure to enjoy a few Tusker’s at the pub in unit 2.

Greg it’s been fun, only a few get it and do not tell them because then it would not be any fun.

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That is exactly how I would imagine a Motor Cycle to think.

Next week I have to stay off the political sites. My daughter coming home and if she sees me posted love notes on Obama and fraud in government she get on line and tells ever one about my research grant. That makes me look hypocritical. She thinks the last two grants I received were scams.

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I have never been fond of Bill Clinton.  But it is also true that having consentual sex with a woman who was the “stalker” is not “sexual harassment”.  And if you are talking about Paula Jones, then don’t.  Clinton won that case.  He paid annoyance money only to make the ridiculous appeals (after he won) go away. 

Politico has no credibility.  The problem with voters having no respect for the media is everything becomes ‘who cares, it’s probably a lie anyway’.

If women come forward (like Bill Clinton), then time to take it seriously. 

If Herb really wanted to keep these two women quiet, you would think that one of Herb’s handlers would have advised him NOT to pay off the women accusing him of sexual harassment with free pizza coupons!! 

you mean this one?

Texas Governor’s Gay Sex
Scandal Covered in Austin paper, the  First Non-Internet Media Outlet
to Report On It.

ha

Can we just agree that temptation and thinking with your dick is bad judgement and is in no way a partisan activity?

Yup, Without more details it’s just buzz words and speculation. I have a problem with the media trying to highlight human flaws. Cain is running for president so this kind of thing comes out, but unless there’s more to it it’s not much. Hell, a former president cheated on his wife in the WH and we still like him. I don’t know what the legal parameters are of harassment but there is a spectrum from not all that serious to pretty dam serious. In this case we just don’t know, and it was what, 20 years ago?
This seems pretty minor compared to the problems of Cain’s actual ideas. 

Did Rush, Perry, and all the other dog whistle minions set the standard for that?

Oh I thought that Obama was a closet gay. I guess you guys aren’t running with Larry Sinclair slander any more.

You guys really need to pick a gender Obama is supposedly having an affair with.

If any woman goes willingly to a hotel room it’s a booty call not sexual harrassment.

this looks very clarence thomassssssssssssssssssssssss

Oh, my! That is salacious. Gay, you say? Shocking! Simply shocking.

Try reading about the techniques of propaganda. All political speech is propaganda. I have gone over that before with others, so before you start arguing with me, make sure you understand black, white, and gray propaganda.
Here are two excellent books about persuasion that don’t even mention propaganda:
Zarrella’s Hierarchy of Contagiousness: (the rest of the title is very long, but I have given you enough to find it. First word is the author’s name, of course.

It talks about how to get an idea to spread. I know all conservatives remember the phrase Teleprompter president. Frank Luntz came up with that one, and knew how to spread it. (You do know that EVERY president uses a Teleprompter, but Hitler did not.) Ergo, anybody who uses a Teleprompter is not a Hitler. Stalin didn’t use one, either. I guess those who reject Teleprompters are just like Stalin and Hitler.

Oh. Another book for you: The Language of Trust: Selling Ideas in a World of Skeptics by Scott West and Micheal Maslansky. (2010). By the way, finding some obscure German psychologist who wants to compare Obama to Hitler is probably easy to do. You can always make one up and put it in Wikipedia, but a real scholar does not take the word of one obscure scholar. You should stick with the popular books on psychology and probably Child Development, since you are so concerned about childhoods.

I suppose yours was perfectly normal, after you were dropped on your head.

Hmmmm, where’s the birth certificate?

Too early. It’s all republican opposition right now. Is this your first campaign cycle?

The best aspect of Cain’s campaign is that it will drive the lunatic-left d-cRAT socialists even more insane (if that is even possible) because the d-cRAT socialists believe that blacks are 100% owned as their property. So, when one of them strays from the lunatic-left plantation and speaks out of turn – or otherwise disobeys their d-cRAT MASTERS – the lunatic-left and their stooges in the lamestream socialist media go into hyper-hate mode and throw everything they can at the offender. Already, race-baiter “lynch the INNOCENT Duke lacrosse team” sharpton and sewer-rat maher have called Cain a “racist”, a “bigot” and an “uncle tom” (the lunatic-left ALWAYS throws out such epithets because they are simply mentally incapable of rationally discussing any matter.)  There will be more – much more – vile hatred from the d-cRAT socialists directed at Cain as he campaigns and shows many that there is a BETTER alternative to the despicable d-cRAT socialist OWNERS and RULERS of blacks.

Until anything is actually uncovered it is very difficult to have a cover-up, however we do appreciate the free publicity and increase in name recognition to move us up in the polls even more. In a world where people are falsely accused, it speaks volumes for ones character how they handle allegations. We stand behind our candidate even more united and strengthened by these trials and challenges. They are going to have to try a lot harder to tear Herman down because all they have done so far is make him bigger and stronger in the eyes of his growing supporters.

You stole my schtick you teabaggin’ ‘tard. You teabaggers are all soooo damn uncreative. PHILISTINES!

I AM WHITE ‘ SOUTHERN’ REPUBLICAN AND I LIKE HERMAN CAIN

i havent liked geraldo since the gulf war

Let’s not be naive. While I am not saying their claims are absolutely false, I personally wouldn’t be shocked if they were. Sexual harassment claims are frequently used by women to get back at male bosses due to the simple fact that the guy will always be guilty until proven innocent. Just my opinion. It’s a frequently used shakedown tactic in corporate America. I will agree I’m biased.

 It’s all made up. McCain, sorry I mean Cain is the next version of Sarah Palin.

Every human being is imperfect.  They can slime him all they want.  He’s about concrete solutions, the rest just want to talk political same-old concepts with nothing accomplished.

Trying to derail the Cain Train isn’t going to happen.  This is Ross Perot with real CEO experience, amazing charisma and bold ideas.  Plus, with the Internet, Facebook and Twitter, you don’t go through the mainstream media now.  

what, exactly is the alleged misconduct.  That very basic ‘what’ is not in the politico story.  I could say many things that might offend someone easily offended.  Without naming names, you can identify the behavior involved.  I see none of it, very suspicious. 

Journalism 101 – who, what, when, where, how.

So the , oratory skills equals evil crowd control was your own thing then? That’s exactly why I said a comparison of Obama and Hitler is speculative nonsense.
MLK was a great orator as well.

In other words, you got nuthin’.

Color me unsurprised.

That is one aspect of it. The other is does Beck{ and if Beck said it} is there any legitimacy in the statement. It seems absurd on the surface so I have two questions, First did Beck say it or is this another slander tactics by the left wing radicals? Second why did he say it? You may not like what Beck has to say but when you look at what he says without bias he usually has the data to back him. They do not attack Beck’s data they attack the man himself. He exposed the extreme czars that no one in the center or center right or center left wants in our government.

American that dismiss any thing out of hand without verifying them selves are foolish and put their faith in politicians. Politicians on the left or the right can not be trusted.If Obama tells me its raining out side, I am going to look. If Boehmer tells me it is raining outside I am going to look. I am not going to ask Dan Rather if it is raining. I do not need anyone to interpret for me the conditions of the sky.

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He has an agenda. He could be a great journalist if he would be objective and report the story. Leave his agenda off camera.

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“Journalistically speaking, it’s rock-solid reporting,” writes Tommy Christopher.

Except for (1) its total reliance on anonymous sources, (2) complete lack of details on what Cain is alleged to have done, (3) absence of substantiating documents, (4) a reporter who refuses to give specifics (we’re “going to get into the details” are his exact words), (5) twenty years having elapsed since the “alleged” event, (6) no police report at the time — or any time, and (7) the complete and total denial of the one person named in the account.

But otherwise it is rock-solid reporting…..

You were doing fine and gave useful information, then you had to interject your hate towards anyone that does not conform to your viewpoint, I was going to spend the day researching your  two sources and incorporating them into the paper that I am writing but teh hate displayed in the last sentence made your points seem less valid. Why does it upset you that I am making a comparison of Obama to Hitler to disprove there is a similarity or not a similarity. Are you afraid that research will exposed some evil and you will have to exam your core beliefs.
If a legitimate comparison can not be made you do not have to fear the truth.  The problem dealing with the left is the hate and the fear of the truth. I assure you I was not dropped on my head what was that statement. Hate from the left. I am still going to study the two sources and not discount them. I have found that people that make personal attacks and spew hate toward others  can still offer me information that will add to the discussion. All knowledge gain is important regardless of the source.

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You listen but you can not hear. You look but you can not see. The data in does not compute properly due to bias blocking the reasoning ability.
I hear a racist remark on the right or left, I will not stand for it or accept it. The racist attack on Cain was evil by an evil person. You defended Bill Clinton because he was white. you meaning liberals attack Cain and spread lies because he is black. This is racism and not acceptable.

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I do not like Obama. I am also a man of integrity there is no way  that I would let my dislike effect the comparison.  That why there is not thesis and no conclusion just comparing the lives and philosophy of the two men. Both had troubled childhood, check. Did both march millions off to the ovens-no. they are not similar in that regard.etc. Why is that comparison so upsetting.

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So now an accusation is guilt?  Any criminal charges?  Any required corporate retraining?  This kind of accusation is standard operating procedure for any female employee who has been reprimanded. 

HR decides immediately, with no evidence other than the accusation itself, that the male is guilty and settles to make the corporation’s possible liability go away. 

Often, the accuser gets a check, and nothing else.  Which is what the accuser wanted in the first place.  No proof, just the “sex” card being played.  The employee is trashed, whether guilty or not.   No interest in finding the truth.  Just save the company’s money.

I thought Cain did ‘tap dance’ for the elite white ‘masters’. Isn’t it common knowledge that he is heavily financed by the Kochs.

Hey! Who knew that the person at Mediaite who is most intent on further racializing Herman Cain as a sex crazed Black Man would be Tommy “Southern Strategy” Christopher!
Shocker!

Let’s not be naive! “It’s a frequently used shake down tactic”! “Wrong”! Nothing, nothing supports this,… standard “tea” spin. Has it happened, yes, “frequently” no! You have nothing to support such claims. How deep does this go,… who knows. We’ve seen it before, but he’s already lied abou this,… not good! I think he’ll live past it, because “teas” forgive, mistakes,… unless it’s a liberal!

In reply to “Why is comparison so upsetting?”
It is slightly upsetting when it has no purpose other than to imply that there might be some psychotic causation.
If you are looking for real childhood indicators, look for abuse (torture, mutilation, burning) of pets and wild animals during childhood. Those things indicate both that the child has been abused and that the child is likely to be a danger to society when grown up.
By the  way, you might as well shorten your screen name to simply Hate. Starting it with denial does not convince.

I just had to respond to your idiotic diatribe. It is ill-infomed, inaccurate and, let’s face it. you’re just projecting. I guess you are drawn towards Hitler. I would suggest you talk to someone who can help you. Also, I would recommend a novel by Norman Mailer. I think it was his last major book and is a study about Hitler’s youth and the evolution of evil in one person. It’s called “The Castle in the Forest” and I’m sure you’ll find it a great read. Yes, Hitler was seriously abused by his father and others, but that hardly explains his craziness.

Ha! It’s just like republicans these days to back this fool. He is totally devoid of substance, yet everyone on the hard right loved him. It shows how gullible people get on the extremes. Tea Baggers are like the right wing equivalent of those tired, over the hill hippies who dig crystals and eat only granola. You folks are screwed, all of you, but you’re also taking the lot of us down with you. Stop. Now. Go back to your boob tube and turn off. 

This is no liberal racist attack. The establishment republican party is not going to allow Herman Cain to win the nomination. If I were you, I’d check with Karl Rove. This is more like “swift-boat” tactics in my opinion. The fix has been in for Romney for a long time. 

You say you don’t want to be biased and then use words like hypnotic effect on his “followers” that you can “feel”   That is bias. Most people are bias to some degree , some more than others. Some have a hard to understand partisan blindness, in which everything the opposition says or does is wrong or stupid or has some evil intent. I’d like to think people who are that extreme are the minority.
However, your posts and the way you compare Obama to Hitler smacks of quite a bit of partisan bias. As I said in the beginning. Anyone who has even cursory knowledge of how Psychological studies are done will recognize what you’re saying are just arbitrary connections and having no real merit. Human psychology is far more complex than that.  But suit yourself.

I do not like Obama. I am also a man of integrity there is no way  that I
would let my dislike effect the comparison.  That why there is not
thesis and no conclusion just comparing the lives and philosophy of the
two men. Both had troubled childhood, check. Did both march millions off
to the ovens-no. they are not similar in that regard.etc. Why is that
comparison so upsetting.

Your denial of being affected by your own bias is far from convincing. IMHO a person of integrity admits their bias and factors it into their work.
The comparison isn’t any more upsetting than any other partisan nonsense I’ve seen. MAybe you could check into how Bush , who was anything but a great orator , convinced a nation to start a tragic war against thier better judgement.

Some of that comparison has dreadful been made.

“Naturally the common people don’t
want war; neither in Russia, nor in England, nor in America, nor in
Germany. That is understood. But after all, it is the leaders of the
country who determine policy, and it is always a simple matter to drag
the people along, whether it is a democracy, or a fascist dictatorship,
or a parliament, or a communist dictatorship. Voice or no voice, the
people can always be brought to the bidding of the leaders. That is
easy. All you have to do is to tell them they are being attacked, and
denounce the pacifists for lack of patriotism and exposing the country
to danger. It works the same in any country.”

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it,
people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained
only for such time as the State can shield the people from the
political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus
becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to
repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus
by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

“The most brilliant propagandist technique will yield
no success unless one fundamental principle is borne in mind constantly -
it must confine itself to a few points and repeat them over and over”

Thanks Dan for you input. The partisanblindness  is alive and well on both sides of the aisles more so on the Liberal side at this point in time. I think that can be explained by the fact that this President has disappointed everyone and they are in denial. I have to admit that to suggest such a comparison might be a little provocative to men and women that follow a cause or person blindly. The words of General MacArthur inspires me to never follow a cause blindly. “Always there has been some terrible evil at home or some monstrous foreign power that was going to gobble us up if we did not blindly rally behind it.”
Douglas MacArthur

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Liberal backed racist attack. They are the only one that play in the gutter. I see it daily on the tube. The establishment are just as guilty.

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You direct hate remarks toward me because I am making a simple comparison. You call me an idiotic because of a simple comparison. You are truly a hate filled person. You embarrass you self  to go on a hate rant over a national blog. . I just stated the facts of two men early lives, I did not make a conclusion. “Always there has been some terrible evil at home or some monstrous foreign power that was going to gobble us up if we did not blindly rally behind it” General Douglas MacArthur. You must have been raised in a very intolerant  home. In my home we did not label some one and idiotic because they presented an idea for exploration. Second were you taught that if you are insulting then you could stamp out the truth? We were taught to communicate not insult. I have not read the Castle in the Forest but I will do so and think you for your input.

If abuse is not a reason for acting insanely you have just wiped out a major recognized defense strategy for those who commit horrible crimes.
Multiple Personality Disorder, this condition
is often seen as resulting from childhood abuse, and when successful, it is an insanity defense. This defense is no longer valid thanks to your brilliant insight.”Mitigation, also referred to as “mitigating factors” or “mitigating evidence,” is evidence the defense can present in the sentencing phase of a capital trial to provide reasons why the defendant should not receive a death sentence. This evidence, which can include mental problems, remorse, youth, childhood abuse or neglect, a minor role in the homicide, or the absence of a prior criminal record, may reduce the culpability of the defendant in the killing or may provide other reasons for preferring a life sentence to death. The Supreme Court has ruled that in deciding between the death penalty and life in prison, the jury may consider any mitigating evidence a juror finds relevant. The jury is instructed to weigh the mitigating factors presented by the defense against the aggravating factors presented by the prosecution.” Mitigation in Capital Cases web site. There are some specific cases that I will post later on.
Following  your reasoning a person’s childhood has no bearing on the crimes he commits. This is a very unusual position to take for a liberal. We can go back and review all the legal case where the mitigating circumstance were considered and carry out the death penalty-Child abuse is no excuse for murder.
I assure you that I function at a much higher level than and idiot and am courteous to opposing view points. Being rude and crude in your replies do not make you right just indicates that you are intolerant, hate filled person.”I never will, by any word or act, bow to the shrine of intolerance or admit a right of inquiry into the religious opinions
of others. Thomas Jefferson. Your knees are bowed and your hate is obvious as you worship on the shrine of intoerance.  Youwill  be a happier person if you will open you soul and becom tolerance. 
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Slander and racist remark. He will not tap dance for the liberal plantation owners that is why the racist attacks. HERMAN CAIN DANCES FOR NO MAN. He blows the trumpet of freedoms for our brothers that have been enslaved by the liberals, those doomed to a life of misery and poverty with their false hopes and lies. .  When that trumpet sound is heard in the ghetto the sweet notes of  freedom floods in the homes and heart of my people. We are on the underground railroad and Herman Cain is driving the train. FREE-FREE FREE AT LAST. As Dr. King once said. Cain 2012, Believe It, Accept It, Deal with it.

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politico just like mediate are out to accomplish one thing and one thing only

Get Obama Re elected

I may be different but I can compartmentalize and make judgements on the facts that are before me. I may intensely dislike someone but I can put those feeling in a lock box and make the correct decision devoid of emotional inputs. People know me will say that I appear cold but I am a fair man. For example, I do not like Obama personally nor do I like or accept  his drive to bring socialism to the shores of America.

I can state that he is doing a good job  going after American enemies. He may not be the one pulling the trigger but he orders the trigger pulled and this is harder than pulling the trigger. When a sniper has a prey in site, he does not have to think, he just has to pull the trigger and walks away. The man that order the trigger to be pulled has to live with the consequences and deal with the after math,he can not walk away. “The political tradition of ancient thought, filtered in Italy by Machiavelli, says one thing clearly: every prince needs allies, and the bigger the responsibility, the more allies he needs.” Silvio Berlusconi, there are few allies around when a leader orders the trigger pulled and it would be a disservice to my self and the President to condemn him for what as to be done because I do not like him.

Compartmentalizing has it place in a compassionate world.”Beggars should be entirely abolished! Truly, it is annoying to give to them and annoying not to give to them”Friedrich Nietzsche When I pass a beggar on the street my emotional side tells me, look, at the poor man, he is hungry, cold. Give him some cash. Then the logical side says do not give this man a dime. If you do you will not help him. You  encourage him to stay on the street and he  will remain a beggar.

I put my emotions in the box. and ask the guy his name. Tell him I do not want to hear his sob stories, it is obvious he is not doing well, and I ask him what is he going to do about improving his satus? . I tell him, I do not give money to losers that wont work. I then offer him a job. I tell him if  he pick up all the trash on both sides of the street for twelve meters, I will give him ten percent more than the going rate for laborers in the area. I be back in an hour.If he cleans up, I will continue this daily and begin to find a way to get him off the street so his dignity can be restored. This  is true compassion-not the phony kind that sentences a man to poverty. A few make it but most run off and do not clean the street. Compartmentalizing produces logic and fair decisions.

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I love the assurance with which nitwits on the right tell other people what they’re afraid of.

But hey, whatever.

Please feel free to continue pushing Cain’s hopeless candidacy precisely because you’re convinced that we’re afraid of him. Ultimately that will make things much easier for everyone.

Schopenhauer was wrong. A cute turn of phrase — not to disappoint all the magical thinkers on the right — doesn’t actually have any effect on reality.

Regardless of what they’ve been telling you, paranoia is not an especially effective route to achieving policy objectives.

Just thought you should know.

Wow. The outpatients are out in force tonight.

Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn’t go away.  ~Philip K. Dick. I am not paranoia prone. I to old and seen to many things to be paranoiac. Illusions commend themselves to us because they save us pain and allow us to enjoy pleasure instead.  We must therefore accept it without complaint when they sometimes collide with a bit of reality against which they are dashed to pieces.  ~Sigmund Freud This is what the liberal is suffering they are laboring under the illusion that this President and his polices are good for the nation but the illusion is colliding with reality and there is total confusion in their psychic without_hate.

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You say you are able to compartmentalize but your posts say you’re not as good at it as you seem to think.. IMO the fact that you insist you can do it so completely indicates you may not be filly honest with yourself.

I consider myself a fairly rational and reasonable person. I recognize the need to value the facts, truth, over partisan personal preference and ego. I try to judge people by one standard in an attempt to be fair. That means if I forgive my friend a personal failing or overlook a less than admirable personality trait, I should also forgive those I don’t like, or who may be working against me. A corrupt liberal is not more desirable than a corrupt conservative simply because I am more liberal. In fact I think we need honest conservative and liberal voices to find our solutions so I value the input of intelligent people who look for facts and value public service over party loyalty and ideology. I also try to judge the issues and details separately.

Still, I am aware of my own bias and how I have to consider it’s weight in my judgements. I’d be less than honest if I claimed I was able to turn it off completely. The nature of your earlier posts indicates to me your own admitted dislike for Obama influences your conclusions. Just believing any significant conclusions can be drawn in such a manner seems like bias to me, or the fact that you see much more partisan blindness in the liberals. Do you really think that’s an objective position? It isn’t.

You say that like it’s a  bad thing.
But consider the alternatives. I mean clowns.

Very well said  Dan. There is a difference when one is making a political commentary and when one is objectively comparing two individuals. Their birth, their childhood, their rise to power, reporting their philosophy on governing, their stated intention. their successful policies, their failed policies these are thing that are not subjective they are written stated facts. The conclusions that one draws and how he presents his conclusion is where the bias would enter the equation. That is why I stated that I will not summarize and end with a conclusion. I will be reporting with the purity of virgin snow. “Purity of heart is blooming the same colors in the middle of the wilderness when no one sees you.” This quote is taken from a sermon by a tutu minister, it is a Vana Bonta quote.
My original intention was to make a political statement then I realized this was not fair to Obama because I am very biased against the President and his policies.  I have already edited out parts that were made to inflame a liberal heart that was a draft of the teaser.
Thank you for you insight.

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PERFECTLY POWERFUL, PRECISELY  PRECOCIOUS,  POSITIVELY  PRECIOUS POINT, PABLO.

so when they bash perry, paul, or any other person it’s political. since cain’s obviously a God, it has to be racist.

Sadly, age doesn’t insulate one from paranoia. Quite the contrary. However, I should never attempt to diagnose strangers’ mental states from their postings because I really don’t have the professional expertise.

As an example, I’ve used the layman’s understanding of  the term “paranoid” to describe your low-credibility maunderings in this thread, when I should instead have been focusing on their hallucinatory aspects.

Which I’m not willing to put a name to (see above).

Thank you for your comment the following quotes apply to most liberals. I can not judge you, but for the one I know it fits like a glove. We trained hard . . . but it seemed that every time we were beginning to form up into teams we would be reorganized. I was to learn later in life that we tend to meet any new situation by reorganizing; and a wonderful method it can be for creating the illusion of progress while producing confusion, inefficiency, and demoralization. Charlton Ogburn (1911–1998) from “Merrill’s Marauders: The truth about an incredible adventure” in the January 1957 issue of Harper’s Magazine
Obama and the socialist democratic party,

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Some of the attacks on Perry and Bush are hate attacks. This attack was racial and written with hate.

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Mr. Hate,

Wow!  You opened the proverbial “can of worms?”  I have spent hours exchanging comments with both “DEVILS SPAWN,” AND “COSMO.”  I have very different outlook on the world than they.  Simply put, I strive to live within the framework of “neutral principles,” they do not.  My thesis takes NP out of the strictures of law, politics, while expanding such into personal philosophy.  In other words, I take philosophy out of the halls of academe, and into daily life.  A philosophy of reason,  I believe Thomas Jefferson would approve?

COSMO and DEVIL tend to fit their argument/philosophy to a desired result.  Whereas I  follow NP to where it leads me.  Then comes the personal challenge of whether or not “my Ox is gored” and will I live up to my philosophy?  I am conservative, however, if I can’t support my position with reason/ethics, I must concede defeat, or improve my argument.

COSMO and DEVIL are orthodox LIberal /Socialists who will abandon reason quickly if such threatens their desired result.  Somewhat like Christianity and/or Islam teaches their adherents to do? Ouch!

I support my assertion regarding COSMO and DEVIL by their reaction to your “new idea.”  Need I say more?

Purveyor

Even die hard liberal, unless they are in total denial, can find fault with the following post. If so, this will apply:” A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.” Saul Bellow.     Socrates look arcoss the chasms of time and left these words for America’s modern day liberals. It is astouding how this applies  centuries later.,   “A system of morality which is based on relative emotional values is a mere illusion, a thoroughly vulgar conception which has nothing sound in it and nothing true.” Try to tame your emotions, an read to gain wisdom, your hooked your dreams to what your thought was a star but it  was only a glimmer of light from a dust particle from a dying planet. Retool your mind, lets elect a leader that is a bright moon that is steady and dependable shining a bright light for all to see.

We do not covet anything from any nation except their respect.Winston Churchill. Respect is not given it is earned. The weak leadership style of Obama has lead to an erosion of respect for the United States. George Bush was not loved but he was respected. Obama is neither love nor respected. Of the two between love and respect, the most important is respect. Iran began taking bold step to embarrass the United States the day Obama was sworn in.-under Bush, the Palestine people would not have pushed for the vote in the United Nations. The weak and mixed signals that are transmitted from the White House is confusing and no one is certain where the United States stands on any issue. This has lead to violence in the mid-east.

“Even if they give
sweet and beautiful talks to the Muslim nation … that will not create a change,” said Khamenei, Iran’s most powerful figure with the final say on all matters of state. “Nothing will change with speeches and slogans.” { Reuters By Zahra Hosseinian and Fredrik Dahl TEHRAN, Thu Jun 4, 2009 11:32am BST| US President Barack Obama’s offer to talk to Iran shows that America’s policy of “domination” has failed, the government spokesman said on Saturday.
“This request means
Western ideology has become passive, that capitalist thought and the
system of domination have failed,” Gholam Hossein Elham was quoted as saying by the Mehr news agency. After nearly three decades of severed ties, Obama said shortly after taking office this month that he is willing to extend a diplomatic hand to Tehran if the Islamic republic is ready to “unclench its fist”.In response, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad launched a fresh tirade against the United States, demanding an apology for its “crimes” against Iran and saying he expected “deep and fundamental” change from Obama.” {Jan 31 08:16 AM US/Eastern,Breitbart tv|
 
“Curtis said “Show no love, love will get you killed”. {From the movie Get Rich or Die Trying, taken
from and article Awakening of Man May 8 2010} Mr President your child
like vision of the world is a danger to our people and the people of
the mid-east. The world needs a leader. Love is for the pursuit of a
nightly gratification partner not to court the leaders of nations. There are men in position of power that will do us great harm. Please grow
up or step aside.
 
Obama started off as an apologist and
quickly became a laughing stock with his bowing and scraping before
emperors and Saudi Princes. Mr. Obama took over office of the only
super power in the world and a leading economic power. A mere three
years later our economy is in the tank, one in five American are
unemployed, Our nation credit and good name has been down graded.
Obama’s violent army of criminals are occupying our streets. Fear and
uncertainty has flooded across the land. Our justice department is
corrupted. Mr President please let the words of John Kennedy take root
in your heart,”Leadership and learning are indispensable to each
other.John F. Kennedy? Your on the job training is over, learn from
your past mistake, Restore our nation to greatness, Become a leader for all Americans, If you or not of to the task, Please for the sake of
our nation both you and Biden resign and let adults take over.
 
“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of
envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.”Winston
Churchill You and the socialist democrats can not be successful because your philosophy is the philosophy of failure. Reasonable men can not
refute that to repeat the same failed polices and not to learn from
past mistake is a Brilliant display of ignorance, The American people
are not losers and will not let you impose your equal misery scheme
for all. We have and will continue reject these policies of failure.
 
In every conflict there are there are those destined to pray and those
destined to fight. Both are angels of God. Prayers need wings and feet
to mobilize and fight. The minuteman are standing by waiting on the
trumpet- pray that we never shall have to blow the horns of war, If it
is the will of God and the horns sound, then we will march out in Glory and we shall live or we shall die but either way we will not be a
bonded servant to a government or man. without_hate

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I enjoy their input. I live to learn and learn to live. I just sent Dan another subject for discussion. How can I learn if I do not listen with an open mind.I be sending you a copy of the post I just sent dan

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Even die hard liberal, unless they are in total denial, can find fault with the following post. If so, this will apply:” A great deal of intelligence can be invested in ignorance when the need for illusion is deep.” Saul Bellow.     Socrates look arcoss the chasms of time and left these words for America’s modern day liberals. It is astouding how this applies  centuries later.,   “A system of morality which is based on relative emotional values is a mere illusion, a thoroughly vulgar conception which has nothing sound in it and nothing true.” Try to tame your emotions, an read to gain wisdom, your hooked your dreams to what your thought was a star but it  was only a glimmer of light from a dust particle from a dying planet. Retool your mind, lets elect a leader that is a bright moon steady and dependable
shining a bright light for all to see.

We do not covet anything from any nation except their respect.Winston Churchill. Respect is not given it is earned. The weak leadership style of Obama has lead to an erosion of respect for the United States. George Bush was not loved but he was respected. Obama is neither love nor respected. Of the two between love and respect, the most important is respect. Iran began taking bold step to embarrass the United States the day Obama was sworn in.-under Bush, the Palestine people would not have pushed for the vote in the United Nations. The weak and mixed signals that are transmitted from the White House is confusing and no one is certain where the United States stands on any issue. This has lead to violence in the mid-east.

“Even if they give
sweet and beautiful talks to the Muslim nation … that will not create a change,” said Khamenei, Iran’s most powerful figure with the final say on all matters of state. “Nothing will change with speeches and slogans.” { Reuters By Zahra Hosseinian and Fredrik Dahl TEHRAN, Thu Jun 4, 2009 11:32am BST| US President Barack Obama’s offer to talk to
Iran shows that America’s policy of “domination” has failed, the government spokesman said on Saturday.
“This request means Western ideology has become passive, that capitalist thought and the system of domination have failed,” Gholam Hossein Elham was quoted as saying by the Mehr news agency. After nearly three decades of severed ties, Obama said shortly after taking office this month that he is willing to extend a diplomatic hand to Tehran if the Islamic republic is ready to “unclench its fist”.In response, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad launched a fresh tirade against the United States,
demanding an apology for its “crimes” against Iran and saying he
expected “deep and fundamental” change from Obama.” {Jan 31 08:16 AM US/Eastern,Breitbart tv|
 
“Curtis said “Show no love, love will get you killed”. {From the movie Get Rich or Die Trying, taken
from and article Awakening of Man May 8 2010} Mr President your child
like vision of the world is a danger to our people and the people of
the mid-east. The world needs a leader. Love is for the pursuit of a
nightly gratification partner not to court the leaders of nations. There are men in position of power that will do us great harm. Please grow
up or step aside.
 
Obama started off as an apologist and
quickly became a laughing stock with his bowing and scraping before
emperors and Saudi Princes. Mr. Obama took over office of the only
super power in the world and a leading economic power. A mere three
years later our economy is in the tank, one in five American are
unemployed, Our nation credit and good name has been down graded.
Obama’s violent army of criminals are occupying our streets. Fear and
uncertainty has flooded across the land. Our justice department is
corrupted. Mr President please let the words of John Kennedy take root
in your heart,”Leadership and learning are indispensable to each
other.John F. Kennedy? Your on the job training is over, learn from
your past mistake, Restore our nation to greatness, Become a leader for all Americans, If you or not of to the task, Please for the sake of
our nation both you and Biden resign and let adults take over.
 
“Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of
envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.”Winston
Churchill You and the socialist democrats can not be successful because your philosophy is the philosophy of failure. Reasonable men can not
refute that to repeat the same failed polices and not to learn from
past mistake is a Brilliant display of ignorance, The American people
are not losers and will not let you impose your equal misery scheme
for all. We have and will continue reject these policies of failure.
 
In every conflict there are there are those destined to pray and those
destined to fight. Both are angels of God. Prayers need wings and feet
to mobilize and fight. The minuteman are standing by waiting on the
trumpet- pray that we never shall have to blow the horns of war, If it
is the will of God and the horns sound, then we will march out in Glory and we shall live or we shall die but either way we will not be a
bonded servant to a government or man. without_hate

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I will be reporting with the purity of virgin snow

This is the kind of certitude I find unconvincing. However, it’s your time to spend as you wish, so have at it.

Tonight I am making political commentary and having fun with absurdity on mediate. In reality I am a tree hugging lover of nature and I have real solutions that will lessen my foot prints on mother earth. It is a way that practice diversity and gives mankind a noble purpose of putting actions with their beliefs.

The people that are so concerned with over population are hypocrites. There is a  simple solutions. One that is passed down from the Japanese culture its a tradition of honor Seppuku. If one does the honorable thing to protect mother nature assuming he or she will have two children and his children will have two children, we can calculate how to slow down the population growth just by being a diverse culture and having honorable people practice the art of Seppuku, We can encourage the art to be practiced by the tree lovers so we can  flatten the curve start a downward trend that will decrease the population in a rapid or controlled manner. This is a sure fire plan to lessen man footprint on mother earth. A  simple mathematical projection can determine how many of our left wing brothers need to practice the art to make a real difference. If those that are so deeply concerned will not take actions and do their share to stop the destruction of the earth by men then they need to shut up and let the rest of us live without their selfish babble. Now who said without hate is not an environmentalist and a sound plan to save our resources. If you are left wing tree lover and concerned-post a note on my face book and I will send you information on how to save our earth. If you are not a truly concerned environmentalist please do not waste my time. We need heroes not talkers.
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I see. You’d think I’d know better by now but reading just doesn’t present inflection and tone that well.

HATE,

You may have an open mind, however, you will soon find that COSMO does not. Apparently you have yet to consider, or look into “neutral principles.” That philosophy is a method, a consistent and repeatable process, whereby one can reason through a socio/legal conundrum. I offered you case law believing you had the insight, hence you would have been able to “connect the dots,” so to speak.

I suggested, you consider a very basic case comparison of an abortion clinic and a “scab” crossing a picket line. Furthermore, you had mentioned Justice Holmes and I suggested a case he participated in–Olmstead v. US, a landmark case, even though Olmstead lost. The case was about warrants and PRIVACY. (Surely you are aware of the controversy over “privacy”) A nominal introduction to neutral principle, and you would see the connection between Roe v. Wade (Abortion) and Olmstead, (A 1920s phone, wire tap case.)

COSMO and others like him are to concerned with outcome as opposed to process. It is the search for a method that breeds the honesty and integrity of a man and a culture. That is part of what made our Founding Fathers different from King George and parliament. Do you agree.

Do you think Thomas Jefferson would have been a proponent of neutral principle? The 5th amendment’s due process clause is very similar to neutral principle? The preamble to the Declaration alludes to NP, I suggest.

These same thoughts and questions I have asked COSMO and his chums, but, dealing with the philosophical core, leads them places they would rather not go. Hence, they dismiss the relevance. Hence, they are convinced of their righteousness.

Certainly you would agree that Socrates is/was irrelevant? I remember in the Republic, the “allegory of the sculpture.” A Sculptor makes a statue of a man that is perfect in every way. Yet a perfect human man, cannot be found to match the statue’s beauty. Does that make the statue any less compelling?

Could the same question be asked of America’s Governmental treatises?

Purveyor

I apologize. I have been thinking about it and I realize that you have been trying to understand a phenomenon that you perceive. I believe your perception is mistaken and the phenomenon does not exist, but that is no excuse for insulting you in your attempt to investigate it.

HATE,

I contemplated whether, or not, to write this. Quotes and allegory should be used in appropriate context and quantity as an analogy, to support an assertion(s). I suggest you make a point, then substantiate that point with quotes or examples? Trying to connect Socrates, Churchill, Kennedy, Obama, all without a conjoining narrative, make it difficult for the reader to obtain coherence/comprehension? Ouch!

You seem to have plenty of background knowledge, but, not enough originality in your writing. Or, I haven’t seen enough prose to truly judge? However…

Anyway, asking COSMOS and his buddies to ponder the past while applying such to the present, will only irritate them! For instance, I like to use military history and chess analogies which really bothers DEVIL and Cosmo, et.al. To quote COSMO the other day–”screw you and your chess analogies.” Be assured, HATE, my chess analogy was apropos to the dialogue. Furthermore, Devil attempted to take credit for my knowledge and quote of a military philosopher? (What?)

The Left has a weakness, they are obtuse and unimaginative. Whereas the Right seeks the light and wisdom. Madison, Jefferson, Hamilton and Washington, etc. did not make the present mess. Their progeny (we) did! Ergo, I don’t want to replace Jefferson, for Marx and Lenin.

Purveyor

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Sure they did…

Hello Purveyor I am feeling lonesome, Haven’t heard from Dan today. I thought the attached post would would earn me free couch time. I guess it is to busy tying to straighten out  the confusion that I cause to the liberals with my words of wisdom. I am very concerned about mother earth in my usual compassionate realistic manner, I have a solution. Please encourage all your friends to get involved and save our earth.

I am very concerned about the environment and the real problem is the people and population growth. I have offered a real American solution and the die hard environmentalist do not care about mother earth is is only talk. There is a simple solutions. One that is passed down from the Japanese culture its a tradition of honor Seppuku. If one does the honorable thing to protect mother nature assuming he or she will have two children and his children will have two children, we can calculate how to slow down the population growth just by being a diverse culture and having honorable people practice the art of Seppuku, We can encourage the art to be practiced by the tree lovers so we can flatten the curve start a downward trend that will decrease the population in a rapid or controlled manner. This is a sure fire plan to lessen man footprint on mother earth. A simple mathematical projection can determine how many of our left wing brothers need to practice the art to make a real difference. If those that are so deeply concerned will not take actions and do their share to stop the destruction of the earth by men then they need to shut up and let the rest of us live without their selfish babble. Now who said without hate is not an environmentalist and a sound plan to save our resources. If you are left wing tree lover and concerned-post a note on my face book and I will send you informaiton on how to save our earth. If you are not a truly concerned environemetalist please do not waste my time. We need heroes not talker

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In Genesis, when God gave man “dominion over the earth,” what did She mean?  Judge Robert Bork, who believes neutral principle to be un-workable, argues that law cannot be strictly based on reason, for example:  What about animal cruelty laws?  Bork argued that law protecting animals can only be based on our Human emotions!  Remember, NP is all about REASON!  Do we have a conundrum here? 

I argue that Humankind has an obligation, a stewardship over and with the animal kingdom.  Reason and logic tells us that if the animals and the environment fail or perish, so too, do we?  That line of reasoning satisfies NP.  Moreover, such satisfies in an ancillary manner, God’s granting of “dominion over the earth,” as well as moral, religious inclinations. 

I have been writing and lecturing on neutral principle for years.  The philosophy is not new, but, my take, or, expansion of such into daily life is.  A religious man is urged to be pious, day in, day out.  Ergo, I try to live by my philosophy, day in, day out.  I see NP as a process that once entered into, becomes inescapable.  Everyone involved will know good and bad, and right from wrong.  Perhaps, a form of philosophical arbitration, so to speak?

Imagine if Galileo practiced the philosophy of neutral principle, then was brought before the Pope, who is very entrenched in his religio/political philosophy, say, Catholic/Marxism! (LOL)  The solution and science is in everyone’s grasp, yet?  The Pope will not venture down a path that threatens his power.

Anyway Amigo, I am very patriotic and nationalistic.  So too am I an animal lover and conservationist
We both seem to be cursed with an active mind that is easily saddened by the obtuse and threatening.  Still I enjoy your wanderings and concerns and can usually expound on them.

Vaya con Dios

HATE,

I have sent you some very substantive and interesting comments recently. Meaning I’ve given you a lot to chew on. I am sure such will add to your knowledge base, which is already broad and deep. However, I thought I could help help you connect some dots, so to speak.

I mean, anyone who quotes Plato, is a kindred spirit! LOL

Purveyor

I have a question? Man has a super ego to think that God is Man or Woman. We know that Christianity teaches that Jesus was god ‘s and his avatar was human. We assume that God the father is a man because the scripture says that God made man in his own image. Does that mean physical image or in the philosophical sense giving man the ability to reason, to know right from wrong, etc. We may be a little to egoistical in assigning God to a human form. What if we get to heaven and God is a super chicken. I know I am going to be in trouble because the only meat I feel safe to eat here in Asia is chicken. What if he is a cow like the Hindu believe? Does man ego have any bounds. This is a discussion I have on long boring nights and all that are around are evangelicals. This is hard to argue with a straight face.  This is just for your comment, my faith is rooted in Christianity, the trinity, etc.Jesus died on the cross for man’s sins,

I want to read on the NP. Does that stewardship extend to the right to eat animals? I am a member of PETA. People Eating Taste Animals. If I am responsible for their welfare does that not mean I have the right to eat them. That argument does not hold up because one is responsible for his kids and he does not have the right to eat them, unless you in Wari Nigeria, where it is acceptable to eat handicap people.

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Of course the stewardship allows for an ethical and compassionate use of animals.  Also, to kill and eat them.  Tragically, even recent history, as close as 100 years ago, man eradicated numerous species from this planet.  Still isn’t there an almost obvious concept that tells humans that animals have rights?  Not the same rights that humans do, but rights!  For instance, all animals should have a right against being tortured to death, agreed?

Anyway,  I have a thesis partially finished on this subject.  Also, about how God creates, and is evolution consistent with religion, the Bible, etc.  An omniscient, omnipresent entity creates an infinite universe.  Time, would not necessarily tick by on 24 hour increments?  Ergo, we can explain the dinosaurs and the Bible and man?  Cool huh?

Like I mentioned in an earlier post, ye tend to get ahead of yourself.  So do I.  Slow down a bit, think about the other things and I’ll find my Darwinian thesis.  

Looks like one of my cowardly little stalkers said something.

Why don’t you act like a man and let us know who you are, little stalker boy.

What a mess the American workplace and culture have become.

Female at work accuses male of sexual harassment. No proof needed. Guilty by accusation. Payment is made. Male publicly exposed, fired, humiliated, career possibly ruined. Female retains anonymity, privacy, money, career.

Twenty years go by.

Male still successful. Female violates terms of settlement, but re-accuses male publicly while retaining anonymity, privacy, money. Another anonymous female makes public accusation. Male tried publicly. No proof needed. Guilty by accusation. Second female retains anonymity, privacy, career.

To say nothing of family courts routinely stacked against men. Guilty for being male.

Why do American men bother working in corporations anymore? Why do American men bother getting married anymore?

Talented female singer records plaintive, hit song: “Where Have All the Cowboys Gone?” Females bemoan the lack of good men while watching movies like Failure To Launch, Our Idiot Brother, Man Up, et al.

Males watch ESPN, enjoying cigars. Males laughing with their other buddies who have all been, in one way or another, extorted by America’s deeply flawed and sexist legal system.