The media could easily have ignored this guy . …But noooooooo. Guantanamo Bay prison was supposed to be a “recruitment tool ” , the ONLY reason liberals had to close it . But a new prison for terrorists in Illinois would quickly have been called Guantanamo North . The Thompson , Illinois prison would be reachable by outside forces where Guantanamo is not .

“this is a recruitment bonanza for Al Qaeda.” Pres Obama

Didn’t this fool say the same thing about Guantanamo detention center? Yet it remains open.

This little Pastor and his 20 people are getting what they want…publicity. Thanks to the media, and the politicians. I don’t think this guy should be burning any Qurans, but it is his right as long as it is on private property. If idiots can burn flags, why can’t this idiot burn a Quran?

The President should have simply said that he is not going to comment on what a private individual does on private land as long as it adheres to the US, state and local laws. He should have said the same thing about the Mosque. The people that own the property that the Mosque is going to be built on have the right to do what they want on that land, as long as it does not violate local, state and US laws.

This guy is an idiot, but as a free individual on private property, he should have the liberty to be an idiot. I for one don’t want to sacrifice liberty in the name of “security.”

“But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are 20 Gods or no God, it neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg…”
- Thomas Jefferson

This country was also built on Freedom of Speech!

Mr. President you are the commander in chief…protect us!

Go out to your Muslim friends and tell them about the concept of Freedom of Speech, how we can say what we want without fear of reprisal….

Don’t bow this time…stand up…act Presidential.

Tell them, that you as commander in chief will do what it takes to protect this man’s right as disgusting as it is.

The Cop’s you said “Acted Stupidly” do this all the time. As reprehensible as people are, once a person is under arrest, it is the job of the police officer to protect them.

This is a country that was built on many freedoms, to include freedom of religion, freedom of speech and etc. This man, although an idiot, has the right to burn a flag, a Quran, a bible or whatever. Just as a group of individuals have a right to purchase private property and build a mosque or church or temple. And other individuals have the right to protest such actions.

It is the duty of the government to protect these individuals liberty.

Is anyone keeping a list of the things we must or cannot do lest Americans die at the hands of Muslims?

So, if I have this straight, he doesn’t have an opinion on the wisdom of the Ground Zero Mosque, but he does have one on the wisdom of burning the Koran (which btw, I totally disagree with). Got it!

If fifty kooks in Florida burning korans is a recruitment bonanza for al qaeda, then I would suggest that islam is a violent way of life to be rejected. And anyway, the fact that the USA is not a muslim theocracy is just as much a recruitment bonanza. Muslims use occasions such as this to scare people into submission, that’s all, burning a koran is no more offensive to muslims than the thought of their daughters rejecting islam in favor of the American dream. Islam is not so much a religion, as it is about control over people’s lives, especially women.

Blowing up women and children, chopping off peoples heads and puting suicide bombs on children is never a recruitment tool for anti-muslim terrorists?

Gordon, of course the attacks on us served as a recruitment tool for the American military. You support an action that will make their efforts abroad more deadly?

Gordon, do you support Pastor Jones’ plans?

GlennBeckReview said:
Gordon, do you support Pastor Jones’ plans?

I’ll tell you what I support. I support individual freedom and liberty. I support freedom of religion and freedom of speech, among other freedoms. Do you not support freedom of speech? Do you not support the 1st Amendment to the US Constitution or are you simply just guided by fear?

Liberty, GBR is guided by one thing and one thing only, his blind hatred/envy of Glenn Beck!!

More Liberty said:
or are you simply just guided by fear?

The whole point of terrorism is to terrorize people into submission. Muslims have done this very successfully here in the USA. Oh, we can say patriotic things, and claim that we won’t give in to terrorists, but the fact that most people are afraid to speak out against islam, and in fact, defend islam out of one side of their mouth while bashing Christians out of the other side, tells it all. The sooner that people here in America man up, and recognize that it’s us against them, the better odds we’ll have. They know we’re at war, most people here do not.

Either way it amazes me how both sides are hypocritical of the Quran burning and the mosque issue. If you don’t like it, fine just protest. The answer to speech we disagree with is not less speech or religion, but more speech that counters it. Individual Liberty is the prime, and we can’t take it away.

@ Mr.Papshmer,

Good point. The Iman recently said that the US National Security is at risk, implying that by not building the mosque would create more terrorism. And now we have others saying that by burning the Quran will instigate terrorism. We can not make decisions based on fear of attack. I for one don’t want to give up my liberty to gain a little security.

With that said, an individual that purchased private property has the right to build whatever he wants on his property. If he wants to build a mosque, well so be it.

Don’t burn the quran or there will be violence.

Don’t move the mosque, or there will be violence.

Don’t draw Mohammad or there will be violence.

Don’t hold elections in Iraq or there will be violence.

Don’t allow the pope to speak out Muslims, or there will be violence. e

Don’t draw South Park cartoons about Mohammad or there will be violence.

Don’t ban the burqa in Europe, or there will be violence.

Don’t go to the World Cup, or there will be violence.

Get out of the Middle East, or there will be (more) violence.

I’m sensing a pattern….

oops: Don’t allow the pope to speak about Muslims, or there will be violence.

@ sarainitaly
You are right. The threat of violence is a common theme.

More Liberty said:
@ sarainitaly
You are right. The threat of violence is a common theme.

You might like my post on this: http://tinyurl.com/37rz8gv

Sounds like we agree.

It’s worth remembering that America is the leading cause of death among al-Qaeda. We do violence right.

sarainitaly said:
Sounds like we agree.

It would appear so. It just amazes me how quick people are to oppress other people by denying them their rights.

Coming from Britain, I think the problem you guys have over in the US is your lack of understanding of the degree of sacredness of a particular object to a particular religion. Now at a time when Islam, with it’s 1.5 billion followers, is being demonised with sly headlines, comment pieces etc, which is akin to how the Jews were treated in the media prior to the Second World War, it’s probably a good idea for those who are educated to stand up for the persecuted. It’s a bit like at school when some people were too chicken to side with the person bullied and so sided with the bully – I’m sure there are a lot of Americans out there who aren’t chicken.

Now Ground Zero Mosque (or whatever Hollywood tagline you’ve given the ‘Cultural Center’) versus Quran burning? The former is hoping to educate people about Islam….er…I rest my case.

And Petraeus and Obama stating the burning will cause violence – it might do…media companies will be desperate for their to be some retaliation. It makes for a good story. But remember more than a fifth of the planet’s population is Muslim, so when you see protesters burning the US flag in response, try to get a sense of proportion although I know it’s hard to believe anything else but what Fox tells you.

Oh and Pastor Terry Jones said “tragical” on a news report – it’s not just religious education on his ‘to do’ list, I see.

More Liberty says: “This is a country that was built on many freedoms, to include freedom of religion, freedom of speech and etc. This man, although an idiot, has the right to burn a flag, a Quran, a bible or whatever. Just as a group of individuals have a right to purchase private property and build a mosque or church or temple.”

Let’s see, you got got done yesterday claiming the Obama is Jesus, and now we’re supposed to take your opinion as something to seriously consider.

You have the depth of mind of a Beck, not of Thomas Jefferson.
http://www.sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/2010/09/beck-blogs-from-theblaze-and-compares.html

royston75 says: “Coming from Britain, I think the problem you guys have over in the US is your lack of understanding of the degree of sacredness of a particular object to a particular religion.”

Not every American is as ignorant as the “you guys” suggest.

Muslims have become the new “OTHER” for fear-mongers in the U.S. to exploit for political reasons. It’s the new “southern strategy” of the right.

royston75 said:
Coming from Britain, I think the problem you guys have over in the US is your lack of understanding of the degree of sacredness of a particular object to a particular religion.

Irrelevant. Our laws do not have “sacredness” exceptions.

The former is hoping to educate people about Islam….er…I rest my case.

Yes, and it’s doing just that. Like we’re all reminded of the violence that will ensue if submission does not. There are lessons all over the place.

But remember more than a fifth of the planet’s population is Muslim, so when you see protesters burning the US flag in response, try to get a sense of proportion although I know it’s hard to believe anything else but what Fox tells you.

Fox didn’t tell me that you’re a bigot, and a dim one to boot. And yet, I believe!

Hey, this is one of yours, right?

royston75 said:
Coming from Britain

Please don’t come…go back home!

“Accordingly, I shall not seek, and I will not accept,
the nomination of my party for another term
as your President.” Borrowed by Barack Obama, March 31, 2012,
from LBJ, 3/31/68!

The thing is sarainitaly, it’s a shame my Italian counterpart isn’t more educated than I hoped for. Manipulated by the press, although you do come from quite a racist society and the far right are quite dominant in Italy. Something my ancestors tried to fight. Remember Mussolini?

OK

Quran burning – if you understood Islam, you would know that the text is very sacred. So people will be angry.
Move the mosque? – I don’t recall any remarks regarding a violent retaliation. When Switzerland banned the building of beautiful minarets, I think the reaction was a shrug of the shoulders.

Mohammed drawings – Yeah, people were angry. Again it was ‘freedom’ of speech’ people not understanding sensitivities of others. Poor education and lack of empathy and respect from those who produced the drawing.

Pope – The Muslim world loved Pope John Paul II. The current Pope? Hmmm….well when he releases the sex abuse files then there will be more respect. Also you do remember Roman Catholics and their treatment in the US? Google it.

South Park – See above regarding drawings.

The Burqa – Also banned is Islamic countries such as Syria and Turkey. You know it’s not Islamic dress don’t you? It was initially created the keep sand out of the eyes pre-Islam. They don’t cover up in Mecca. Again, please use Google.

The World Cup – LOL! That’s the best one yet. Work out how many Muslims both supported and played in South Africa this year then come back to me with something sensible.

The Middle East – I’m not even going to bother with this one,,,,LOL

I like a good debate with someone educated…but that posting insulted my intelligence and others

Apologies GlennBeckReview – its just I find it strange that some of your countryfolk have just realised Muslims live in your country. Aren’t there something like two million there? It’s like after 9/11 people just woke up to the fact…the religion’s been around for 1400 years!!

GlennBeckReview said:
Let’s see, you got got done yesterday claiming the Obama is Jesus, and now we’re supposed to take your opinion as something to seriously consider.

You show me right now where I claimed Obama was Jesus. I never said such a thing, nor would I say such a thing. Please provide a link and quote to where I said “Obama is Jesus.”

You are a liar.

royston75 said:
Apologies GlennBeckReview – its just I find it strange that some of your countryfolk have just realised Muslims live in your country. Aren’t there something like two million there? It’s like after 9/11 people just woke up to the fact…the religion’s been around for 1400 years!!

You are a fool.

royston75 said:
Mohammed drawings – Yeah, people were angry. Again it was ‘freedom’ of speech’ people not understanding sensitivities of others. Poor education and lack of empathy and respect from those who produced the drawing.

Typical. Blame the people that drew the cartoon, not the people that rioted.

I guess you blame Theo Van GoGh for his own murder right. I mean, he wasn’t sensitive enough to understand that you can’t stand up for womens right when it comes to Islam. How dare Van Gogh to write and create a movie that depicts Islams oppression of women as a bad thing.

royston75 said:
Quran burning – if you understood Islam, you would know that the text is very sacred. So people will be angry.

So let them be angry. They should be tolerant of other people rights, but we know that’s not the case.

Pablo, Pablo, Pablo – you poor soul.
Again, watching too much right-wing TV. Now you do know we non-Americans DON’T all think you guys are addicted to mistreatment and violence despite raping and pillaging of native Americans, slavery, Vietnam, Korea, Hiroshima…you see where I’m going with this….?

Many around the world still remember that the US and Britain’s reaction to a few delusional people causing the 9/11 attrocity was to go to two countries and flatten then occupy the lands.

I’m sure a few countries have valid excuses to come to the US and do the same….hey, but then that would cause outrage wouldn’t it? I mean the value of US lives is far greater than a those with slightly darker skins…or am I being controversial? Hang on…er…there was Hurricane Katrina…

royston75 said:
The Burqa – Also banned is Islamic countries such as Syria and Turkey. You know it’s not Islamic dress don’t you? It was initially created the keep sand out of the eyes pre-Islam. They don’t cover up in Mecca

The abbya is worn by all women in Saudi Arabia when they are outside. It’s irrelevant what the history is behind it. Currently, it is part of Islam, and not even radical Islam. These poor women have to wear it under threat of violence from the police, as well as their own male relatives.

royston75 said:
Coming from Britain, I think the problem you guys have over in the US is your lack of understanding of the degree of sacredness of a particular object

Don’t care.

royston75 said:
Islam, with it’s 1.5 billion followers, is being demonised with sly headlines, comment pieces

Don’t care.

royston75 said:
But remember more than a fifth of the planet’s population is Muslim

Don’t care.

royston75 said:
But remember more than a fifth of the planet’s population is Muslim, so when you see protesters burning the US flag in response, try to get a sense of proportion

Don’t care.

royston75 said:
I know it’s hard to believe anything else but what Fox tells you.

Thanks for outing yourself.

In any case, nothing you’ve said has anything to do with anything. I don’t care if it’s 1.5 billion idiots, or 15. Islam is a violent way of life that uses the threat of violence to scare people into submission. If it wasn’t the book burning, there would be some other excuse to threaten violence. It’s what they do.

And I don’t believe that every one of them is a radical suicide idiot out for their forty virgins and a mule. But the fact that islam leaders have intimidated their own ranks to the point where they’ll go along with whatever their preacher or dad tells them for fear of being beheaded is pretty telling.

Move the mosque? – I don’t recall any remarks regarding a violent retaliation.

Next time, recall this.

Mohammed drawings – Yeah, people were angry. Again it was ‘freedom’ of speech’ people not understanding sensitivities of others. Poor education and lack of empathy and respect from those who produced the drawing.

I take it you also don’t recall that those cartoons were published in Sept 2005 with nary a peep, until the Danish Imams did their Middle East tour with a dossier of the cartoons and a few more incendiary images they added themselves, and then all hell broke loose.

Poor education, lack of empathy and respect? That sounds like the sort of person who would become violent over a perceived insult, doesn’t it?

They don’t cover up in Mecca. Again, please use Google.

Good advice. You should try it.

The World Cup – LOL! That’s the best one yet. Work out how many Muslims both supported and played in South Africa this year then come back to me with something sensible.

We’re not talking about sensible, we’re talking about fundamentalist Islam. With a body count.

royston75 said:
Aren’t there something like two million there?

Pop of US: 310,000,000. I hope you weren’t trying to make a profound statement, cuz if you were, you failed.

GlennBeckReview said:
Let’s see, you got got done yesterday claiming the Obama is Jesus, and now we’re supposed to take your opinion as something to seriously consider.

I’m waiting. You made this false claim so I am waiting for a link, and quote, or an apology. You are considered a liar until you prove I said this.

royston75 said:
Oh and Pastor Terry Jones said “tragical” on a news report – it’s not just religious education on his ‘to do’ list, I see.

Before you insult someone’s education, you should at least know you’re right. I won’t provide links to prove tragical is a word, look it up yourself. Just as comical is an adjective of comedy, tragical follows the same path. It is often misused, and probably was here, but it is a word. Insulting another’s education doesn’t make you smarter and is quite comical…and tragical.

That said-
Jones has the right- and that’s it. I would not support, attend, cheer, and OTOH attack, protest, or scream at what he is doing. However, I will do all of these to defend the right.

More Liberty said:
“But it does me no injury for my neighbor to say there are 20 Gods or no God, it neither picks my pocket nor breaks my leg…”
- Thomas Jefferson

I know the thumbs up & down mean very little here, but people thumbing down TJ quotes here and on other threads speaks volumes about what type of GovCo they want. Be afraid, very afraid.

Hey More Liberty – I don’t condone any violence, but I understand why people get angry. If you intentionally provoke someone or a bunch of people they will get angry. What gets you angry might not get me angry, but at least I would try to understand you.

That Dutch film director knew that he would provoke and at time when Islam is suddenly being punched from all angles, his timing was…well, a bit off. It is very sad what happened to him.

But as needs to be repeated, there are 1.5 billion Muslims. I dont think all white Americans are racist even though the Klu Klux Klan lynched black people and I don’t think all Catholics are into sexual abuse even though there are many cases.

There is a lot for the Muslim world to learn as well and I think some countries are taking steps – eg Pakistan and Bangladesh have had female leaders in the last 20 years.

But I think that it’s important to understand that your doctor, fast food salesman, accountant, car park attendant is probably a Muslim. An really, that’s more of a fair representation don’t you think?

royston75 said:
The thing is sarainitaly, it’s a shame my Italian counterpart isn’t more educated than I hoped for. Manipulated by the press, although you do come from quite a racist society and the far right are quite dominant in Italy. Something my ancestors tried to fight. Remember Mussolini?

UH, I’M FROM SEATTLE. HARDLY A RIGHT WING SOCIETY.

Quran burning – if you understood Islam, you would know that the text is very sacred. So people will be angry.

SO IS THE FLAG. DOESN’T STOP THEM FROM BURNING IT, OR EFFIGYS OF OUR PRESIDENTS, INCLUDING OBAMA. AND UNLESS THIS PASTOR RIPS THE QURAN OUT OF THEIR HANDS, HE HAS A RIGHT TO BURN IT. (ALTHOUGH I DON’T SUPPORT HIS DECISIONS TO DO SO)

Move the mosque? – I don’t recall any remarks regarding a violent retaliation. When Switzerland banned the building of beautiful minarets, I think the reaction was a shrug of the shoulders.

THEN APPARENTLY YOU HAVEN’T BEEN PAYING ATTENTION.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2010/09/09/imam-warns-moving-mosque-enrage-muslims/

Mohammed drawings – Yeah, people were angry. Again it was ‘freedom’ of speech’ people not understanding sensitivities of others. Poor education and lack of empathy and respect from those who produced the drawing.

THEY HAVE THE RIGHT TO BE UPSET IF SOMEONE DRAWS A CARTOON, THEY DON’T HAVE THE RIGHT TO RIOT AND MURDER.

Pope – The Muslim world loved Pope John Paul II. The current Pope? Hmmm….well when he releases the sex abuse files then there will be more respect. Also you do remember Roman Catholics and their treatment in the US? Google it.

AN IRAQI MILITANT GROUP led by al-Qaeda has threatened to massacre Christians in response to remarks about Islam by Pope Benedict XVI that have caused offence across the Muslim world.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article642645.ece

South Park – See above regarding drawings.

SEE ABOVE REPLY.
http://www.examiner.com/atheism-skepticism-in-new-york/muslim-radicals-threaten-the-lives-of-south-park-creators

The Burqa – Also banned is Islamic countries such as Syria and Turkey. You know it’s not Islamic dress don’t you? It was initially created the keep sand out of the eyes pre-Islam. They don’t cover up in Mecca. Again, please use Google.

I DO USE GOOGLE. DO YOU? DID YOU KNOW THAT IT IS AGAINST THE LAW IN ITALY, AND OTHER EUROPEAN COUNTRIES FOR ANYONE TO BE IN PUBLIC WITH THEIR FACES COVERED?
http://infidelsarecool.com/2010/05/07/belgium-islamists-threaten-violence-if-burqa-ban-enforced/
http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.3ec79e2e7a25748f4b9623ac728de663.611

The World Cup – LOL! That’s the best one yet. Work out how many Muslims both supported and played in South Africa this year then come back to me with something sensible.

LISTEN TO THE NEWS MUCH?
http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/news/2926941/Al-Qaeda-threaten-to-bomb-the-World-Cup.html
http://2010-southafrica.com/latest-news/al-qaeda-threatens-to-attack-denmark-and-netherlands-teams/

The Middle East – I’m not even going to bother with this one,,,,LOL

WHAT COULD YOU POSSIBLY DISAGREE WITH THIS ABOUT THIS? DO YOU REMEMBER 9/11?
http://www.haaretz.com/news/bin-laden-issues-new-tape-warning-u-s-against-ties-with-israel-1.7920

I like a good debate with someone educated…but that posting insulted my intelligence and others

Are you insane?
(The caps are so it easier to read my replies.)

royston75 said:
That Dutch film director knew that he would provoke and at time when Islam is suddenly being punched from all angles, his timing was…well, a bit off. It is very sad what happened to him.

Ahhhh, it so “very sad” that he was butchered in broad daylight and a knife was left in him. Very, very sad.
And it is all his fault because he “knew that he would provoke” his murderer.

And this asshole Royston75 has the nerve to criticize other peoples intelligence? LOL.

royston75 said:
Again, watching too much right-wing TV. Now you do know we non-Americans DON’T all think you guys are addicted to mistreatment and violence despite raping and pillaging of native Americans, slavery, Vietnam, Korea, Hiroshima…you see where I’m going with this….?

Yes, I do. And if you ever catch that tail of yours, take a moment to thank an American.

Many around the world still remember that the US and Britain’s reaction to a few delusional people causing the 9/11 attrocity was to go to two countries and flatten then occupy the lands.

Awww, do you miss Saddam, bunky? Iraq doesn’t.

I’m sure a few countries have valid excuses to come to the US and do the same….hey, but then that would cause outrage wouldn’t it?

After the giggling subsided, I’m sure there would be outrage. And then we’d probably go out for burgers and beers.

I mean the value of US lives is far greater than a those with slightly darker skins…or am I being controversial?

Do you think the Americans, Brits, Aussies and other who gave their lives liberating Iraq think so? Have you known any of them, or their colleagues?

royston75,

You did nothing but condone Mr. Van Gogh’s death, and excused those that killed him. You basically claimed that he shouldn’t have created a film that attempts to show the world how Islam treats women. His assistant at the time, Ayaan Hirsi Ali, was a former Muslim woman that escaped horrible conditions. She wonted to help tell the world what many muslim girls and women live like. So the writer got killed, and the intolerance by the killer and others like him are excused by people like you.

Azarkhan said:
And this asshole Royston75 has the nerve to criticize other peoples intelligence?

There’s a reason that the early Americans told Britain to shove it.

Azarkhan said:
Ahhhh, it so “very sad” that he was butchered in broad daylight and a knife was left in him. Very, very sad.
And it is all his fault because he “knew that he would provoke” his murderer.

And this asshole Royston75 has the nerve to criticize other peoples intelligence? LOL.

Why would you blame the guy who pulled the trigger, and the knife instead of the guy who was murdered while minding his own business? Oh, because you’re not a delusional Euroweenie. Right.

StandUp – to be fair I’d probably get lynched – pardon me – for using ‘tragical’ in any exams I did over in England.

Azarkhan – I was referring to the Muslim pop. of the US. What I overheard in the news the other day.

Pablo – ‘All hell broke loose’? Not sure about that. If rioting is hell and the smashing of some windows and buildings in hell for you, then I’d hate to know what you thought of Waco, Atlanta….again I don’t level fundamental/extreme beliefs with religion as a whole. Extreme Imams with wacky beliefs make news, much like sex abuse priests. Imagine if you read about level-headed imams..how dull would that be eh? lol – that wouldn’t make the news anyway.

royston75 said:
Azarkhan – I was referring to the Muslim pop. of the US. What I overheard in the news the other day

I know, which is why I told you the US pop. is 310,000,000. You do the math.

What a dunce BHO is.

Why did they attack us in 1993, Barry? Why did they attack us in 1998, Barry? Why did they attack us in 2001, Barry?

You think they need recruiters to get volunteers? What world do you live in?

OK sarainitaly…er..Seattle

Little worried about your use of sources. I mean Haaretz, The Sun, The Times?!!! WTF…you might as well used Mein Kampf by Hitler on his views of Jews…LOL All three are right-wing. The Sun and The Times are owned by Rupert Murdoch who owns Fox News. Haaretz views on Palestinians are extraordinary LOL

The US flag – I respect it like any other flag. And to some it is sacred, but to equate a flag with a 1400-year-old religious text is, well, not quite a level-playing field.

Didn’t understand your burqa answer, because I just told you it’s not Islamic dress. It’s worn in Islamic countries – but it pre-dates Islam. Worn to protect women from the sand in deserts.

Azarkhan – it’s ‘you do the maths’ . What I was saying is that please educate me..what is the Muslim population of the US?

Pablo – ‘All hell broke loose’? Not sure about that. If rioting is hell and the smashing of some windows and buildings in hell for you, then I’d hate to know what you thought of Waco, Atlanta…

If you think that some smashed windows was the extent of the Muslim response to the Muhammed cartoons then your ignorance is far more profound then I intend to ameliorate. I’d suggest you spend some time looking into the subject. If you can manage to pull your head out of your arse for long enough to do so, you could start here.

royston75 thinks he’s so damn smart
Sipping English tea and nibbling on a tart
His cultural superiority
Is really an inferiority
I’ve found more intelligence in a wet fart

I blame the media the media should have ignore the event but they wanted a story.

So Barack “I swear I am not a Muslim” Obama is opening his big mouth again in defense of his father’s people.

Anyone who thinks that someone burning a stupid book is more dangerous than the lunatics that would murder over a burning book, a cartoon, or a film are truly idiots, including Barack Hussein Obama.

If you want freedom of speech you have to suffer the consequences, like it or not..

Mr.Pashmer – Love your ‘I don’t care’ answers. A man of wisdom I see. Oh and what tickled me was ‘Islam is a violent way of life’. You’re right my Muslim colleagues go crazy when they see me…my accountant burned my tax returns on my head…and worst of all….the guy I got my kebab from..he gave me chilli sauce when I didn’t ask for it. Those wascally wabbits!!

Hey, Barry, why not just say, “They have a right to burn the Koran, but I will not comment on the wisdom of doing so?”

Pablo…all I’m doing is equating it to other events where people haven’t rounded on the religion as a whole…don’t you think it a bit weird when a religion is attacked as a result of a few followers causing trouble? Or should I lose faith in humanity. I’m a devout Christian and I find it extraordinary with the vitriol coming out. I’m just trying to explain some facts …with some additional tongue-in-cheek…but the responses are very angry….it’s saddening

royston75 said:
The US flag – I respect it like any other flag. And to some it is sacred, but to equate a flag with a 1400-year-old religious text is, well, not quite a level-playing field.

It doesn’t matter. Freedom of speech is Freedom of Speech. No where in our Bill of Rights, something Americans wrote after throwing the yoke of King George off, does it have a disclaimer about ancient religions trumping our Constitution. Individual liberty is individual liberty. No where in our Constitution does it say you have a right not to be offended. A few years back some artist thought it’d be a good think to place a cross in a bucket of urine. It was on display…no outrage.

royston75 said:
StandUp – to be fair I’d probably get lynched – pardon me – for using ‘tragical’ in any exams I did over in England.

royston75 , “You take too tragical a view of matters” (John Fowles). Phew, I’m glad that they didn’t lynch Mr. Fowles, apprarently one of your countries greatest writers.

royston75 said:
with some additional tongue-in-cheek…but the responses are very angry….it’s saddening

What’s sad is when you condone the murder of a man who wrote and created a film that showed how young girls and women live under Islam. You basically said it was understandable since it upset the muslims.

For once I agree with the Righty’s.
Let the Fundie Christian scumbag burn his Korans.
And let the Radical Islam scumbags react to it.
A battle of the scumbags.

May the best scumbag win.

royston75 said:
Little worried about your use of sources. I mean Haaretz, The Sun, The Times?!!

I pulled the first links I found, there are hundreds for each story. I didn’t realize anyone actually even needed links….I think most well informed people already know about each and every one of those stories. The fact that you don’t, and then question the links is quite telling.

It doesn’t matter whether the burqa is Islamic dress or not. The point is that muslim extremists threatened violence against European countries for banning them – regardless to the fact that it is illegal for ANYONE to cover their faces in public because of terrorism in the past.

Burning the Koran is insensitive, Barry, but after hearing what the Iman said about 9/11, it is obvious that the Iman is an “accessory” to the Koran burning and that he “created” the Pastor Terry Jones.

Also, why is it that libs ignored the 71% of the American population who were against the building of the mosque, but are so concerned about one nut and his 50 followers?

Typical lib hypocrisy!

The Royal Court Jester – that was sweet. But as I said above..just pointing out facts and common sense. I don’t think I’ve portrayed myself as being culturally superior…I’ve just read facts about religions, cultures etc…that’s all

royston75.The only people demonizing the Muslims are the Muslims let me see the killing of Theo van Gogh,In England you had Muslims calling for the death of Tonny Blair; verbally attacking British solders returning home, holding sings that say to hell withe your democracy,threatening TOP-GEARSJeremy Clarkson be cuss he claimed awoman in a burke”fell head over heels”in front of his taxi in London and revealed her”redG-string and stockings”thay dont even havea sense humor. http://www.co.uk/posts/view/147118/Anjem-Choudhary-dose-an-Enoch-Powell-riveres-...

@notsofast, “You think they need recruiters to get volunteers? What world do you live in?”

These idiotic terrorist sympathizers refuse to admit that these people are religious fanatics and lunatic terrorists that will find any reason to commit terrorist acts whether it be a burning book, a cartoon, or a film. Is the government going to pass a law banning any criticism of Islam in any form whatsoever just to try and keep the peace? Are they going to instruct the NEA not to allow any works of art that may insult Islam?

Let’s not forget, these people are terrorizing other countries as well, should we try and force those countries to follow some arbitrary rules to keep the peace with these lunatics? When will it end? When the world gives in to everything Islam is demanding?

When will the US grow some balls and say enough is enough we are not going to tolerate this any longer. Not during this administration, that’s for sure!

sarainitaly – I don’t agree with banning the burqa but they should be dissuaded. It’s impratical in society and if they are wearing it as part of religious identity then it’s wrong.

Now if a common sense rules applies then we all know that burqas have been around for centuries pre-9/11 (when some found out Islam existed). I remember some American and British comedies having fun with the burqa/veil in filsm during the 60s, 70s, 80s – they never alluded that it was linked to violence, it was just Arabic dress – you know, the whole belly dancing thing – which still exists in Islamic countries – worth a trip.

I think more to the point – have you ever spoken to a lady who wears a burqa…you know…it’s the best way to be educated. Ignorance is bliss sometimes, but not when it’s leads you to make certain judgements…

royston75 said:
…don’t you think it a bit weird when a religion is attacked as a result of a few followers causing trouble?

No, I see religions being attacked all the time when none of their followers are causing trouble. I’m not the least bit surprised that people would give a religion the stinkeye when its adherents are murdering people with their God’s name on their lips.

Defender – Like I mentioned above…imagine if the media interviewed a moderate Muslim (eg the Imam at the mosque four blocks from Ground Zero) about Tony Blair, the Dutch director, etc etc…and imagine the dull answers…now that wouldn’t make the news would it.

Now if you had someone making inflamatory remarks?…..All I’m saying to people is look at the bigger picture. Simple isn’t it. I like the US…people are fun and friendly. I like Syria too…people are fun and friendly. I try not to make any generalisations…esp. when there’s no logic attached to it.

BTW, you guys should have seen the bunch of terrorist sympathizers on AC360 last night. It was pathetic the way they were attacking the few members allowed on the panel who didn’t believe Rauf’s BS on Larry King Live ande who are against the building of his “shrine to terror.” Oh yeah and for the most part the AC360 live blog was blocked to negative comments about Rauf, the cultural center, Anderson, Fareed Zakaria or anyone else defending the Muslim point of view in order to make viewers believe that all Americans agree with AC and are in favor of Rauf and his mosque. The others got trashed on the blog for being against it.

royston75 said:
I think more to the point – have you ever spoken to a lady who wears a burqa…you know…it’s the best way to be educated.

If you happen not to have a woman in a burqa handy (They don’t get out much, after all) Saira Shah’s Beneath the Veil is quite good.

Pablo – But is democracy being attacked just because the US want to invade Iraq, Vietnam, Afghanistan etc? Democracy works well in countries who feel no need to occupy other lands. If it’s not Islam, then it’s Communism, if it’s not Communism it’s Roman Catholicism…history has created scapegoats..unfairly. Troublemakers need to be targeted but you can’t target an entire group because it’s nonsensical

Pablo – In England they have open mosques. I’ve spoken to Muslim women who wear them. Those I spoke to wanted to wear them…I asked them why? They just said it was a preference. With one woman I just ended up having a chat about how much sugar to use in a Victoria sponge. Communication is great.

If Obama and the liberals are willing to bow to islamic extremists, when it comes to even our most radical of freedoms, then, why the hell are our soldiers dying in those islamic hell holes? Why not just bring our soldiers home, and allow the terrorists to take away all of our freedoms, one by one? America has to stop bowing down to islam, the most violent religion in the modern world. Australia has already taken steps to remove radical muslims from their country, and some in Germany are considering doing the same. Nowhere does our Constitution say that we, as Americans, may have to give up a few freedoms, in order to not offend muslims. Muslims will abide by our laws, we do not abide by theirs, period. Let the idiot in Florida burn that islamic bible and let the idiot in NY build his provocative mosque. Ain’t that America? If muslims don’t like our freedoms in America, then, they need to hit the road. I’m quite sure most Americans wouldn’t miss muslims, if they left the US, since, for the most part, all they contribute to the US is chaos. Based on the required following of Sharia law, muslims should not even be allowed to come to America, or any civilized nation, in the first place. Personally, I’m fed-up with this constant talk of muslims, muslims, muslims, day in and day out. Pardon me, but Americans owe muslims nothing.

royston75 said:
Ignorance is bliss sometimes, but not when it’s leads you to make certain judgements…

I can see it’s been working for you.

Anyway, thanks for the chat. Have a chat with your Muslim 7-11 store owner, your cab driver, doctor, accountant etc etc…some may infuriate others will correct your misconceptions. But just have an open mind. Eases the stress/anger levels eh?

“What Obama might have said here, with good reason, is he wouldn’t have to deal with the “fallout” if the media didn’t insist on using some nutjob pastor in Florida as hyperbolic filler to gin up reader and viewer response.”

Well said Glynnis. I totally agree.

As a Florida pastor plans a Quran-burning bonfire on September 11, The Daily Beast’s Asra Q. Nomani, herself a Muslim, says there are a few brutal passages in the Quran that need to go up in smoke.

http://www.thedailybeast.com/blogs-and-stories/2010-09-08/get-over-the-quran-burning/

royston75 said:
Pablo – But is democracy being attacked just because the US want to invade Iraq, Vietnam, Afghanistan etc? Democracy works well in countries who feel no need to occupy other lands.

How are things at Lakenheath these days, royston?

royston75 said:
With one woman I just ended up having a chat about how much sugar to use in a Victoria sponge

I suspect that you would be deemed not sponge worthy.

Dan Abrams said:
Well said Glynnis. I totally agree.

But doesn’t this site do the same thing? Or do you get a pass because you are covering the coverage?

What Obama also could have said, is that the building of the mosque at GZ was distasteful, just as the burning of the koran was labeled, by many Dems.

More Liberty, you are right; I was in error. It was Liberty Hound who claimed that “Obama is Jesus.”

I apologize. Crazy-cons start to sound alike after a while.

Hey Obama, burning the quran is just as legal as burning a cross in private property.

“This could increase the recruitment of individuals who’d be willing to blow themselves up in American cities, or European cities”

—And what does that say about Muslims?

notsofast says: “Also, why is it that libs ignored the 71% of the American population who were against the building of the mosque, but are so concerned about one nut and his 50 followers?”

If you had any education in the Constitution, you might know that the Amendments were insisted upon to protect the rights of individuals in the minority from the will of the majority.

To your question, building the Park 51 cultural center, which will NOT be a mosque, would lessen the tension and conflict between America and certain elements of Islam. Burning the Koran, if captured by some unpatriotic “journalism” would serve the opposite purposes. Americans will die as a result; that’s Petraeus’ message to this nut job pastor. For more, see:
http://www.sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/2010/09/beck-blogs-from-theblaze-and-compares.html

In fremont CA we have a large Afghan population,and the afghan women that I worked with at New Unuited Motor Manufacturing told me thay did not like burka or the Taliban.

ImJustThatDamnGood said:
I blame the media the media should have ignore the event but they wanted a story.

Yeah and the Circus is going to be rolling in down there in Fla. to give it full exposure. It’s what the press has been doing since there was the press.

If you have never seen this movie, I suggest you rent it when you have the time. Billy Wilder nailed the press on this one. It’s so true even today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dY5_MJg7o5U

Hate Takes Center Stage (from the Progress Report)

Hate pastor Terry Jones and his small Dove World congregation are planning an event to burn the Quran in Gainesville, FL on the anniversary of the 9/11 terror attacks. His plan — dubbed “International Burn a Quran Day” — has now become a global story that, according to top American commander in Afghanistan Gen. David Petraeus, could endanger the lives of American forces and American foreign policy goals. While similar acts from Jones and others went widely ignored in the past — in 2008 the incendiary Kansas-based Westboro church burned a Quran on a Washington D.C. street — today they are front-page n ews. So what changed? Jones’ event comes at the end of a hate-filled summer in which the right wing fostered anti-Muslim vitriol has risen to unprecedented levels. This has led to a growing sense both in the U.S. and around the world that perhaps Jones’ hateful plan is not just an isolated incident, but is reflective of an increasingly intolerant America. If Jones follows through, it will inevitably further endanger our troops and increase animosity toward the United States. But this act of hate — just like the burning of a cross, or painting of a swastika — is also about the response it elicits. The response in the form of public statements and counterprotests will likely demonstrate the strengths, not the weaknesses, of American values: a country that not just protects the freedom to demonstrate, while showing that hate-filled individuals such as Jones in no way represent America.

ENDANGERING TROOPS: Jones’ Quran burning could lead to tremendous blowback against U.S. forces fighting in Afghanistan. President Obama, Secretaries Hillary Clinton and Robert Gates, and American military commanders all fear that images of Americans burning the Quran will put U.S. troops in heightened danger and will hand al-Qaeda a propaganda victory. The counter-insurgency mission in Afghanistan is based on convincing the local Muslim population to side with U.S. and Afghan government forces in their fight against the Taliban, and inflammatory images that make the U.S. look intolerant of Islam will undercut these efforts. In an interview with The Wall Street Journal, Petraeus said the Quran burning “is precisely the kind of action the Taliban uses and could cause significant problems. Not just here [in Afghanistan], but everywhere in the world we are engaged with the Islamic community.” Gen. William Caldwell, the head of the Afghan training mission noted, “What I will tell you is that their very actions will in fact jeopardize the safety of the young men and women who are serving in uniform over here and also undermine the very mission that we’re trying to accomplish.” Large anti-American rallies have already taken place in Afghanistan and Indonesia.” Several hundred Afghans rallied outside a Kabul mosque, burning American flags and an effigy of Dove World’s pastor and chanting ‘death to America.’ Members of the crowd briefly pelted a passing U.S. military convoy with stones, but were ordered to stop by rally organizers.” On Saturday, 3,000 Muslims marched through Indonesia’s capital and five other cities to protest in front of the U.S. embassy, carrying signs reading, ” Jihad to protect Koran” and “You burn Qu’ran you burn in hell.”

SUMMER OF HATE: Jones’ plan comes on the heels of a summer in which Islamophobia ginned-up by the right wing took center stage. The paranoid hysteria over the plan for a Muslim community center in lower Manhattan was followed by protests against mosques around the country and in some cases violence. In New York City this Saturday, the radical right-wing group Stop Islamization of America (SIOA) plans to channel the prevalent paranoid hysteria into a rally against the proposed Islamic community center. The Wonk Room’s Matt Duss notes that the anti-Muslim vitriol “doesn’t come out of nowhere– it’s exactly what conservative elites have been telling their base for years. Whether it’s Newt Gingrich cribbing Andrew McCarthy’s doctor ed anecdotes about ‘creeping sharia’… or Bill Kristol and Liz Cheney claiming, without any evidence, that Cordoba Initiative leader Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf has ‘terror-related connections,’ it’s clear that there’s a well-funded and organized network of conservatives who see political profit in stoking Americans’ fear of Islam. And Americans are responding to that, some of them in extreme fashion, such as the Quran burners.” While conservative leaders were quick to fan the flames of hysteria against the community center, these same leaders stayed largely silent in response to the proposed burning of the Quran. Fred Kaplan of Slate notes the muted response from many prominent conservatives: “Republicans are usually eager to trumpet thei r support for the troops and the war against terror. So why aren’t they condemning the Florida pastor who plans to lead his congregation in a Quran-burning bonfire on Sept. 11? … With the exception of Sen. Orrin Hatch of Utah… elected Republicans — and, to be fair, most elected Democrats as well — have ducked and run.” Now, just a few days before the planned burning, some prominent conservatives, such as Mitt Romney have spoken out against burning the Quran. But others like Sarah Palin and John Boehner, while now condemning the act, claim that it is the same as building a Muslim community center near Ground Zero in Manhattan.

I wonder if he feels worse about the Koran burning or seeing some Muslims this morning burning the American Flag.

GBR, are you familiar with copyright law and fair use? Drop an brief excerpt and a link, ferchrissakes.

GlennBeckReview said:
notsofast says: “Also, why is it that libs ignored the 71% of the American population who were against the building of the mosque, but are so concerned about one nut and his 50 followers?” If you had any education in the Constitution, you might know that the Amendments were insisted upon to protect the rights of individuals in the minority from the will of the majority. To your question, building the Park 51 cultural center, which will NOT be a mosque, would lessen the tension and conflict between America and certain elements of Islam. Burning the Koran, if captured by some unpatriotic “journalism” would serve the opposite purposes. Americans will die as a result; that’s Petraeus’ message to this nut job pastor. For more, see:http://www.sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/2010/09/beck-blogs-from-theblaze-and-compares.html

It’s not a Mosque? Hey unstable freak that wants to see me dead, are they praying at 51 Park Pl.? Then what do you call it?

GLENN BECK! GLENN BECK! please get out of my brain!

Folks in case you missed it yesterday this ‘unstable freak’ peacenick had no trouble wanting to kill me or turning fire hoses on people that didn’t agree with him.

This happens when your whole life is spent in your basement pouring over Glenn Beck transcripts for a website nobody wants to visit.

And just in case the unstable freak tries to wiggle out by saying he has ADD, let me refresh him and anybody that didn’t see it yesterday what this lower form of pond scum said. And I quote.

“I’m glad I didn’t have a teacher like you when I was in high school, I’d be in jail for killing the prick.”

Now what dopey glenn beck link are you going to post now pinhead?

GlennBeckReview said:
Hate Takes Center Stage (from the Progress Report) Hate pastor Terry Jones and his small Dove World congregation are planning an event to burn the Quran in Gainesville, FL on the anniversary of the 9/11 terror attacks. His plan — dubbed “International Burn a Quran Day” — has now become a global story that, according to top American commander in Afghanistan Gen. David Petraeus, could endanger the lives of American forces and American foreign policy goals. While similar acts from Jones and others went widely ignored in the past — in 2008 the incendiary Kansas-based Westboro church burned a Quran on a Washington D.C. street — today they are front-page n ews. So what changed? Jones’ event comes at the end of a hate-filled summer in which the right wing fostered anti-Muslim vitriol has risen to unprecedented levels. This has led to a growing sense both in the U.S. and around the world that perhaps Jones’ hateful plan is not just an isolated incident, but is reflective of an increasingly intolerant America. If Jones follows through, it will inevitably further endanger our troops and increase animosity toward the United States. But this act of hate — just like the burning of a cross, or painting of a swastika — is also about the response it elicits. The response in the form of public statements and counterprotests will likely demonstrate the strengths, not the weaknesses, of American values: a country that not just protects the freedom to demonstrate, while showing that hate-filled individuals such as Jones in no way represent America. ENDANGERING TROOPS: Jones’ Quran burning could lead to tremendous blowback against U.S. forces fighting in Afghanistan. President Obama, Secretaries Hillary Clinton and Robert Gates, and American military commanders all fear that images of Americans burning the Quran will put U.S. troops in heightened danger and will hand al-Qaeda a propaganda victory. The counter-insurgency mission in Afghanistan is based on convincing the local Muslim population to side with U.S. and Afghan government forces in their fight against the Taliban, and inflammatory images that make the U.S. look intolerant of Islam will undercut these efforts. In an interview with The Wall Street Journal, Petraeus said the Quran burning “is precisely the kind of action the Taliban uses and could cause significant problems. Not just here [in Afghanistan], but everywhere in the world we are engaged with the Islamic community.” Gen. William Caldwell, the head of the Afghan training mission noted, “What I will tell you is that their very actions will in fact jeopardize the safety of the young men and women who are serving in uniform over here and also undermine the very mission that we’re trying to accomplish.” Large anti-American rallies have already taken place in Afghanistan and Indonesia.” Several hundred Afghans rallied outside a Kabul mosque, burning American flags and an effigy of Dove World’s pastor and chanting ‘death to America.’ Members of the crowd briefly pelted a passing U.S. military convoy with stones, but were ordered to stop by rally organizers.” On Saturday, 3,000 Muslims marched through Indonesia’s capital and five other cities to protest in front of the U.S. embassy, carrying signs reading, ” Jihad to protect Koran” and “You burn Qu’ran you burn in hell.” SUMMER OF HATE: Jones’ plan comes on the heels of a summer in which Islamophobia ginned-up by the right wing took center stage. The paranoid hysteria over the plan for a Muslim community center in lower Manhattan was followed by protests against mosques around the country and in some cases violence. In New York City this Saturday, the radical right-wing group Stop Islamization of America (SIOA) plans to channel the prevalent paranoid hysteria into a rally against the proposed Islamic community center. The Wonk Room’s Matt Duss notes that the anti-Muslim vitriol “doesn’t come out of nowhere– it’s exactly what conservative elites have been telling their base for years. Whether it’s Newt Gingrich cribbing Andrew McCarthy’s doctor ed anecdotes about ‘creeping sharia’… or Bill Kristol and Liz Cheney claiming, without any evidence, that Cordoba Initiative leader Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf has ‘terror-related connections,’ it’s clear that there’s a well-funded and organized network of conservatives who see political profit in stoking Americans’ fear of Islam. And Americans are responding to that, some of them in extreme fashion, such as the Quran burners.” While conservative leaders were quick to fan the flames of hysteria against the community center, these same leaders stayed largely silent in response to the proposed burning of the Quran. Fred Kaplan of Slate notes the muted response from many prominent conservatives: “Republicans are usually eager to trumpet thei r support for the troops and the war against terror. So why aren’t they condemning the Florida pastor who plans to lead his congregation in a Quran-burning bonfire on Sept. 11? … With the exception of Sen. Orrin Hatch of Utah… elected Republicans — and, to be fair, most elected Democrats as well — have ducked and run.” Now, just a few days before the planned burning, some prominent conservatives, such as Mitt Romney have spoken out against burning the Quran. But others like Sarah Palin and John Boehner, while now condemning the act, claim that it is the same as building a Muslim community center near Ground Zero in Manhattan.

Yeah you all about HATE douchbag!

Pablo said:
GBR, are you familiar with copyright law and fair use? Drop an brief excerpt and a link, ferchrissakes.

Fair? This creep doesn’t know the meaning of FAIR.

Hey GBR aka Unstable Freak, you didn’t think anybody was going to buy that you wrote that?

The Islamic community center in NY is nothing more then a gratuitous victory dance in the end zone

More Liberty says: “I’ll tell you what I support. I support individual freedom and liberty. I support freedom of religion and freedom of speech, among other freedoms. Do you not support freedom of speech? Do you not support the 1st Amendment to the US Constitution or are you simply just guided by fear?”

My views on the 1st Amendment are well articulated here. I’m not afraid; I’m concerned about what this moronic hate-monger will do to Islamic-American relations are about the Americans who will die from this despicable act of hatred.

He has the right to burn books, but it’s wrong and likely a violation of the local burning ordinances. He should be surrounded by fire trucks and water-logged if he so much as lights a match.

Liberty, “freedoms” have been curtailed in a time of war since Lincoln. I think that this hateful, far-right nut job pastor is trying to ignite a huge backlash and make this struggle against terrorism a war between civilizations. Stopping this Koran burning (national security) takes precedence over his irresponsible abuse of the 1st Amendment.

I wished that we lived in a world where burning the Koran, the Bible or The Way produced nothing more emotional than condemnation; but that is not real. All book burning is fascistic. Pastor Jones would be more centrist and rational if he’d burn pictures of Bin Laden. I’d help him light the match.

So, More Liberty, Jones has the right; we can agree on that. Allowing him to exercise this right is a matter of national security. Lincoln would surround him with water cannons. Wilson and FDR would flat out throw him in jail. Nixon would have had the FBI infiltrate his “church.” Dubya would tap his phones.

We can all agree, I hope, that God (his imagined Supreme Being) comes to Jones in his prayer and slaps this hateful dip wad aside his head and reminds him of the name of his church. Short of that, I suspect that he’ll have a hard time lighting matches with fire trucks enforcing the restrictions on the burning of toxic substances like book ink and rightly so.

GlennBeckReview aka The Unstable Freak says:

‘My views on the 1st Amendment are well articulated here.”

Sure are! Kill anybody or turn Fire hoses on anybody that disagrees with you.

GlennBeckReview aka The Unstable Freak said yesterday to me.

“I’m glad I didn’t have a teacher like you when I was in high school, I’d be in jail for killing the prick.”

GlennBeckReview aka The Unstable Freak says:

“I wished that we lived in a world where burning the Koran, the Bible or The Way produced nothing more emotional than condemnation; but that is not real.”

Sure didn’t have any problem turning fire hoses on people yesterday didn’t you?

If anybody has the market cornered on HATE it’s you!

I heard Beck is off this week on Vacation, man you must be going nuts! Oh wait, your already there.

Glennbeckreview aka the unstable freak says:

I hope, that God (his imagined Supreme Being) comes to Jones in his prayer and slaps this hateful dip wad aside his head and reminds him of the name of his church.

Slaps…….ya know the question has to be asked about this unstable freak with a website nobody visits ( and this is serious) somebody should be watching this guy especially if there is family involved. Having Glenn Beck in his head 24/7 talking Murder, Fire Hoses, Slaps upside the head.

I definetely see a Psychopathology here.

puck30 says: “Hey GBR aka Unstable Freak, you didn’t think anybody was going to buy that you wrote that?”‘

What part of (from Progress Report) did you not read? It came in an e-mail, so I had no link to offer. I certainly didn’t suggest that it was mine. DOH!

Nice try puckhead, but you’re still a wing-nut and a pin head. Refer us, when you can, to some of your “exquisite” writing as I do here almost every post. then we’ll see who can swim intellectual circles around whom.

GlennBeckReview said:
Hate Takes Center Stage (from the Progress Report)

Having Glenn Beck in you’re head 24/7 talking Murder, Fire Hoses, Slaps upside the head.

NO! hate takes center stage when you show up.

GlennBeckReview says:

‘My views on the 1st Amendment are well articulated here.”

puckhead30 says: “Sure are! Kill anybody or turn Fire hoses on anybody that disagrees with you.”

Kill? Can you pretend to express my POV without completely making an A-Beck of yourself?

No? I didn’t think so. You learn well ass hopper.

This has nothing to do with someone disagreeing with me you feces for grey matter; this has to do with the national security matter that General Petreaus is talking about. You remember him? I remember when conservatives respected the views of the Generals on the front and abided by their wishes; but we’re in a time when adult conservatives are largely quiet now and the petulant, childish, crazy-cons (reactionaries) are the voice of the right.

Hopefully the independent voters will read just enough of the playground/bully style that is the reactionary right on display by the Beckerheads, puck30, pablo, et al. to realize that handing the reigns of power to anyone they (you) support would be insanely stupid.

GlennBeckReview aka the unstable freak said:

Refer us, when you can, to some of your “exquisite” writing as I do here almost every post

“I’m glad I didn’t have a teacher like you when I was in high school, I’d be in jail for killing the prick.”

“I hope, that God (his imagined Supreme Being) comes to Jones in his prayer and slaps this hateful dip wad aside his head.”

“Maybe that ding-bat church should be surrounded by fire trucks. As soon as one of those holes lights a match, a water cannon blows him/her straight to hell.”

“exquisite” writing? That’s what you call it? Like I said before.

Having Glenn Beck in you’re head 24/7 talking Murder, Fire Hoses, Slaps upside the head.

NO! hate takes center stage when you show up.

GlennBeckReview said:
GlennBeckReview aka the unstable freak says: ‘You learn well ass hopper.

WOW! So now not only can we say your an unstable mental freak that is prone to violence but we can also now add that your HOMOPHOBIC as well.

Keep it up jackass I’m enjoying this.

From Media Matters for America:

NPR: “Some experts worry the controversy plays into the hands of extremists.” On the August 24 broadcast of NPR’s Morning Edition, host Linda Wertheimer noted that “some experts worry the controversy plays into the hands of extremists.” NPR correspondent Dina Temple-Raston noted that “in password-protected forums run by extremists, there’s a different view. All this controversy is welcomed. Extremists and radical clerics, including one who has become a kind of bug light of sorts, attracting young American jihadis, have posted a stream of ‘I told you so’ messages. They’ve long claimed that Islam is under attack by the West. The violent reaction to the center, they say, now proves it.” NPR played clips of national security experts, including Evan F. Kohlmann of Flashpoint Global Partners who noted that “this unfortunately is playing right into their hands, and as such, they’re encouraging it. With glee.” And Brian Fishman, Counterterrorism Research Fellow at the New America Foundation noted that “some of the anti-Islamic tone that has been going on around the country in connection with the mosque debate feeds into this notion that people like Anwar al-Awlaki can take advantage of.”

Haass: World watching “to see whether Muslims in America have rights, have opportunities that Muslims in lots of other countries don’t.” During the August 16 edition of MSNBC’s Morning Joe, Richard Haass, the president of the Council on Foreign Relations and former adviser to Colin Powell, stated that “this has now become an international issue” and part of “the battle for hearts and minds in the Muslim world”:

HAASS: The anti-American aspect of this — this has now become an international issue. One of the great ironies is the people doing this mosque, this community center, want to develop an American version of Islam that competes around the world with the Wahhabi — with the Saudi intolerant version of Islam. So this issue now is being watched around the world to prove or to see whether Muslims in America have rights, have opportunities that Muslims in lots of other countries don’t.

So this has actually become an important aspect of our battle for the hearts and minds. It’s no longer just a New York issue, it’s no longer just a national issue. This has something really to do with the battle for hearts and minds in the Muslim world and whether there can be an American version of Islam that is more open and tolerant.

NSN policy analyst James Lamond: Attacking Islamic center is “counterproductive to our anti-terrorism efforts.” In a July 30 article, James Lamond, a policy expert for the progressive National Security Network, condemned Newt Gingrich’s statements about Islam and against the Islamic cultural center as “counterproductive to our anti-terrorism efforts. First at a strategic level, it plays into al Qaeda’s framework that the West is at war with Islam.” Lamond wrote:

But the frame that Gingrich is promoting is not only un-American and counter to our values, it is also counterproductive to our anti-terrorism efforts. First, at a strategic level, it plays into al Qaeda’s framework that the West is at war with Islam. As Malcolm Nance, a former military intelligence officer and author of An End to al-Qaeda, recently told the American Prospect’s Adam Serwer: “When you frame it as a fight against Islam and Islamic fundamentalism … you’re almost encouraging Osama bin Laden’s line of thinking. He loves this idea that this is seen as a clash between Islam and the West; he wants that, he thrives on that.”

At another level, this fear mongering and overreaction serves to diminish America’s resilience, an important component of America’s counterterrorism strategy. The National Security Strategy says that resilience is, “the ability to adapt to changing conditions and prepare for, withstand, and rapidly recover from disruption.” There are many facets of this approach, from a resilient infrastructure to a resilience economy. However an important part is also a resilient society that does not abandon its core values as soon as they’re challenged. Yet a decade after 9/11 Gingrich is ready to give up on America’s strength and resiliency. In addition, Stephen Flynn, president of the Center for National Policy, who has been the leader for years on promoting resilience, says that there is also a deterrent value to resilience saying that, “if an adversary believes that Americans are well-prepared to prevent, withstand, and rapidly recover from acts of terrorism, the appeal of engaging in such acts would be diminished.” Basically, by his hysteria, Gingrich is feeding into al Qaeda’s goal of promoting a hysterical reaction.

Amr and Singer: “The world constantly watches to see whether we actually live up to our ideals.” In a 2008 paper, Hady Amr, foreign policy fellow at the Saban Center for Middle East Policy at Brookings and director of the Brookings Doha Center in Qatar, and Peter Singer, senior fellow and director of Brookings’ 21st Century Defense Initiative, wrote that “a zero-tolerance stand against anti-Muslim statements and bias” is necessary “to be able to inspire the Muslim world to support our vision of ‘liberty and justice for all’ in the world”:

There are six broad principles that should guide our strategy to improve U.S. security through winning the war of ideas and broadening and deepening relationships between U.S. citizens and institutions and their counterparts abroad. These overarching principles include:

Confronting who we are. Harkening back to the civil rights era and the Cold War, unless we take a zero-tolerance stand against anti-Muslim statements and bias both in government and among our political elite, we risk being cast as undertaking a “war on Islam” instead of a “war on terror.” America must clearly confront its civil liberty concerns at home–and in our military campaigns–if we are to be able to inspire the Muslim world to support our vision of “liberty and justice for all” in the world.

[...]

In an age of globalized technology and communication, the world is watching to see if we live up to our ideals of civil liberties and constitutional values, and is waiting to see if we stamp out anti-Muslim bigotry at home. A series of anti-Muslim statements made by various policymakers and close Administration supporters have undercut President Bush’s post 9/11 message that Islam was not to blame for the attacks. Even though media in the Middle East give extensive coverage to these sorts of statements, the Administration has usually failed to condemn them or separate itself from the speakers. Bigotry in our midst is not just distasteful; in the age of globalization, it directly undermines our security. We live in an era where the world constantly watches to see whether we actually live up to our ideals. At a time when many in the world expect the worst of us, such positions only support the enemy’s propaganda and recruiting efforts. Efforts on this front alone will determine if we have the moral authority to build multi-government coalitions and can inspire other countries to follow suit.

Former Bush administration officials warned of the dangers of Park51′s opposition

Gerson: Solidarity with non-radical Muslims is “a matter of national interest.” In an August 16 Washington Post column, former Bush official Michael Gerson wrote that “[p]undits have every right to raise questions about the construction of an Islamic center near Ground Zero,” but added that “inclusive rhetoric toward Islam” is “a matter of national interest.” Gerson questioned how “our cause [is] served by treating the construction of a non-radical mosque in Lower Manhattan as the functional equivalent of defiling a grave”:

An inclusive rhetoric toward Islam is sometimes dismissed as mere political correctness. Having spent some time crafting such rhetoric for a president, I can attest that it is actually a matter of national interest. It is appropriate — in my view, required — for a president to draw a clear line between “us” and “them” in the global conflict with Muslim militants. I wish Obama would do it with more vigor. But it matters greatly where that line is drawn. The militants hope, above all else, to provoke conflict between the West and Islam — to graft their totalitarian political manias onto a broader movement of Muslim solidarity. America hopes to draw a line that isolates the politically violent and those who tolerate political violence — creating solidarity with Muslim opponents and victims of radicalism.

How precisely is our cause served by treating the construction of a non-radical mosque in Lower Manhattan as the functional equivalent of defiling a grave? It assumes a civilizational conflict instead of defusing it. Symbolism is indeed important in the war against terrorism. But a mosque that rejects radicalism is not a symbol of the enemy’s victory; it is a prerequisite for our own.

[...]

There are many reasons to criticize Obama’s late, vacillating response to the Manhattan mosque, and perhaps even to criticize this particular mosque. But those who want a president to assert that any mosque would defile the neighborhood near Ground Zero are asking him to undermine the war on terrorism. A war on Islam would make a war on terrorism impossible.

Former Bush official Armitage discussing mosque: Terrorists are winning “when we change our own ideals.” On the August 9 edition of The Charlie Rose Show (accessed via Nexis), former Bush deputy secretary of state Richard Armitage responded to the question, “We should put [the mosque] there and be confident about it?” by saying: “My own view is don’t let the terrorists win. When we change our own ideals and our own principles, they’re winning, we’re not.” From The Charlie Rose Show:

ROSE: There is this also. What are the biggest challenges to America today?

ARMITAGE: The first and biggest challenge is to regain our confidence as a nation.

ROSE: Our confidence?

ARMITAGE: Our confidence.

ROSE: In ourselves?

ARMITAGE: Yes. I’m tired of running around being scared of my shadow, having time spent talking about 14th Amendments by pandering politicians who on the one hand say they want to be strict constructionists of the Constitution and on the other hand want to throw out amendments which have been pored over by the courts and I think validated over the years.

So I think getting our confidence back as a nation. I might say this also extends to the controversy over the mosque in the 9/11 site.

CHARLIE ROSE: We should put it there and be confident about it?

ARMITAGE: My own view is don’t let the terrorists win. When we change our own ideals and our own principles, they’re winning, we’re not. So that’s the most difficult thing.

Former Bush adviser Mark McKinnon: Anti-Muslim rhetoric surrounding cultural center is “reinforcing Al Qaeda’s message we are at war with Muslims.” On the August 16 edition of Morning Joe, GOP strategist and former Bush adviser Mark McKinnon stated that the inflammatory rhetoric surrounding the the cultural center is “stunning, and it is so contrary to our country’s principles.” He later said that the anti-Muslim rhetoric is “reinforcing Al Qaeda’s message we are at war with Muslims.”

Top military, law enforcement and administration officials have made similar comments when discussing other anti-Muslim protests

Odierno: Planned Koran burning on 9-11 “feeds right into what” the extremists “want.” On the September 8 broadcast of NBC News’ Today, Gen. Raymond Odierno, former commander of US forces in Iraq, discussed plans by a Christian pastor to host “International Burn a Koran Day” on the anniversary of 9-11. Odierno said: “Most Muslims are very moderate, and what you have is you have extremists. And what this does is this feeds right into what they want. What — they feed off of hate and fear, and they will use this to generate more hate. And what that will turn into is potentially more violence against U.S. troops.” He added: “I think there’ll be some backlash, and I think you’ve started to see some already. And I worry that it’ll turn into violence against our troops in Iraq, Afghanistan, other places as well. … It’s extremists who try to gain from this, and they use it to recruit, they use it to create hatred, because everything — what they’ve built is built on hatred of what we do here in the U.S.”

Petraeus: Quran-burning would “inflame public opinion and incite violence.” In an email to The Associated Press, Gen. David Petraeus responded to plans to hold a Quran book-burning by noting “Images of the burning of a Quran would undoubtedly be used by extremists in Afghanistan — and around the world — to inflame public opinion and incite violence.”

Clinton: “The fact is, it will have potentially great harm for our troops.” In a September 8 interview with Council on Foreign Relations President Richard Hass, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton noted that “General Petraeus made the very powerful point that as seemingly, you know, small a group of people doing this, the fact is that it will have potentially great harm for our troops.”

puck30 says: “Keep it up jackass I’m enjoying this.”

Not as much as I am; I love mocking wing nuts. That’s why The Glenn Beck Review is so enjoyable although pointing out lies and hypocrisy gets old after a while.

Tell us Puck, what age did you stop growing up? Based upon your language, I’d have to guess that the Glenn Beck show has been your secondary education. Sadly, this quack with no post-secondary education (aside from a History of Religion course from Yale) is “teaching” ignorant people who don’t know the difference a history that never happened. It’s called historical revisionism, and Beck, Barton et. al. are good and it.

So puck30, what show did you learn to name-call? I’m guessing it was the episode when Beck said that “bloggers don’t address his claims, they just name-call.” This was the weak Beck called the President and his team “weasels.” Oh yes, it’s one of his many different hypocrisies.

Save your name calling for your family. At least they can wash your mouth out with soap.

“And as a very practical matter, I just want him to understand that this stunt that he is talking about pulling could greatly endanger our young men and women who are in uniform,” the president added.

Read more: http://www.miamiherald.com/2010/09/09/1816104/obama-calls-planned-quran-burning.html#ixzz0z3uQWVDz

It’s a good thing the American, Obama-authorized missile that killed five Islamic militants in Pakistan today didn’t scortch any Korans. That might anger them.

I do not agree with this Pastor but neither do I agree with those who burn the Flag, the Bible…etc. It seems like it is OK to place a cross in a bottle of urine and other such deplorable acts against Jews or Catholics but whoa if it is Muslim / Islam. There seems to be many instances where there are double standards.

Also, in Muslim countries in the Middle East; such as, S.A. only a Mosque is allowed….PERIOD!

GlennBeckReview said:
GlennBeckReview aka ‘Violent, Hateful, Unstable, Gay Bashing, Homophobic, Freak says: ‘My views on the 1st Amendment are well articulated here.” puckhead30 says: “Sure are! Kill anybody or turn Fire hoses on anybody that disagrees with you.” Kill? Can you pretend to express my POV without completely making an A-Beck of yourself? No? I didn’t think so. You learn well ass hopper. This has nothing to do with someone disagreeing with me you feces for grey matter; this has to do with the national security matter that General Petreaus is talking about. You remember him? I remember when conservatives respected the views of the Generals on the front and abided by their wishes; but we’re in a time when adult conservatives are largely quiet now and the petulant, childish, crazy-cons (reactionaries) are the voice of the right. Hopefully the independent voters will read just enough of the playground/bully style that is the reactionary right on display by the Beckerheads, puck30, pablo, et al. to realize that handing the reigns of power to anyone they (you) support would be insanely stupid.

Yeah people are going to read you saying beckerheads and say oh WOW! this guy is exquisite in his writing.

Well maybe the ten IMAGINARY friends that you talk to in your basement.

Hey Jackass I have to go to work, but to let you know that in honor of the Ya-Hoos in Fla. & the Ya-Hoos in the Middle East since their burning Korans, Bibles, Flags as we speak, To honor this VERY SMALL amount of ‘Violent, Hateful, Unstable, Gay Bashing, Homophobic, Mental Midgit Freaks to which YOU ARE ONE! I’m going to print out the front page of that doepy little website of yours take it outside and burn it.

But take heart a-hole, the jerk down in Florida and you and your Islamic buddies can all come together to fantasize about throwing this (ass hopper did you say?) off of a cliff or how about a good old fashion stoning? Cause I know HOMOPHOBIA runs ramped in the Extreme Small Christian & Islamic Circles & in your basement (though it wouldn’t surprise me that I would find a copy of ‘Blue Boy’ in some dank corner).

Thanks and praise to Jesus there WAY more sane people out here.

I think I’ll go shake my little ass with the girls after work. Have fun in your basement with your Glenn Beck transcripts and try not to make too much of a mess.

The US shouldn’t worry as the Muslim world is predominantly peaceful and they will understand and be tolerant.

GlennBeckReview said:
puck30 says: “Keep it up jackass I’m enjoying this.” Not as much as I am; I love mocking wing nuts. That’s why The Glenn Beck Review is so enjoyable although pointing out lies and hypocrisy gets old after a while. Tell us Puck, what age did you stop growing up? Based upon your language, I’d have to guess that the Glenn Beck show has been your secondary education. Sadly, this quack with no post-secondary education (aside from a History of Religion course from Yale) is “teaching” ignorant people who don’t know the difference a history that never happened. It’s called historical revisionism, and Beck, Barton et. al. are good and it. So puck30, what show did you learn to name-call? I’m guessing it was the episode when Beck said that “bloggers don’t address his claims, they just name-call.” This was the weak Beck called the President and his team “weasels.” Oh yes, it’s one of his many different hypocrisies. Save your name calling for your family. At least they can wash your mouth out with soap.

Gee, yesterday you called me a prick and wanted to kill me. Today you call me an ass hopper (that’s not name calling?).

And then look at you, you go off on a Glenn Beck rant! The man is in your head 24/7, that is just too funny you can’t help yourself, you can’t control yourself.

Like I said, Have fun in your basement with your Glenn Beck transcripts and try not to make too much of a mess. I hope your family doesn’t have to clean up after you.

Time to go shake my little ass.

Bill Mahwer said:
Thanks and praise to Jesus there WAY more sane people out here.

Word!

Let me rephrase please, if I may from an earlier post.

Thanks and praise to Jesus & Allah there WAY more sane people out here and over there.

@puck30

I don’t think GBR will be able to get up after that smackdown. Stay down! Stay down!

royston75 said:
OK sarainitaly…er..Seattle

Little worried about your use of sources. I mean Haaretz, The Sun, The Times?!!! WTF…you might as well used Mein Kampf by Hitler on his views of Jews…LOL All three are right-wing. The Sun and The Times are owned by Rupert Murdoch who owns Fox News. Haaretz views on Palestinians are extraordinary LOL

The US flag – I respect it like any other flag. And to some it is sacred, but to equate a flag with a 1400-year-old religious text is, well, not quite a level-playing field.

Didn’t understand your burqa answer, because I just told you it’s not Islamic dress. It’s worn in Islamic countries – but it pre-dates Islam. Worn to protect women from the sand in deserts.

Women are not allowed to leave the airport security area in Riyadh unless they are wearing a burqa. The Religious Police enforce this.

Pablo said:
If you happen not to have a woman in a burqa handy (They don’t get out much, after all) Saira Shah’s Beneath the Veil is quite good.

If you approach a woman in a burqa in Saudi Arabia you’d better be careful. The religious police can arrest you if you don’t happen to be related to her.

GlennBeckReview said:
More Liberty, you are right; I was in error. It was Liberty Hound who claimed that “Obama is Jesus.”

I apologize. Crazy-cons start to sound alike after a while.

Thanks for demonstrating how a very little man apologizes.

Those filthy animals don’t need an excuse for beheading people and burning their bodies to hang from the nearest tree or bridge. They think they can burn our flag and our Bible any time they want to. Unintelligent Cretins. This “president” can go to hell.

Wasn’t there someone in Germany a while back, and everyone kept saying let’s give him what he wants or we might make him mad?

WRITER– ‘Wasn’t there someone in Germany a while back,and everyone kept saying let’s give him what he wants’ YES DAVID HASSELHOFF————–Sorry I colod not help my self.

For once I would have to agree with him. Have people already forgotten the stir caused by a simple cartoon just a couple of years ago?

Yes, it is their right to do it. But we have to know the difference between rights and the right thing to do.

sarainitaly said:
Don’t burn the quran or there will be violence.

Don’t move the mosque, or there will be violence.

Don’t draw Mohammad or there will be violence.

Don’t hold elections in Iraq or there will be violence.

Don’t allow the pope to speak out Muslims, or there will be violence. e

Don’t draw South Park cartoons about Mohammad or there will be violence.

Don’t ban the burqa in Europe, or there will be violence.

Don’t go to the World Cup, or there will be violence.

Get out of the Middle East, or there will be (more) violence.

I’m sensing a pattern….

Excellent point…something that Liberals have their heads in the sand about…or up their butts

DEFENDER-90 said:
The Islamic community center in NY is nothing more then a gratuitous victory dance in the end zone

How come you and I are the only ones who seem to know this?

. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QfxQpWxq5ZQ&feature=related

OK, there are some others who notice it.

The above link is a video sent our way by Big Eddie.

Asra Nomani is nothing but a right wingnut tied to elite interests
such as the international criminal Rupert Murdoch and Georgetown
University that represents the worst of Islamic and Judaic ‘culture’
and right wing Christian scum who are no better.
Georgetown’s James Angel has been linked to the liars such as NTU and
Agora Inc founder James Dale Davidson and their NAANSS or National
Association against Naked Short Selling that was replaced in 2005 by
Geico billionaire’s son Patrick Byrne’s NCANS or National Coalition
Against Naked Shorting and his Overstock.con who are nothing but
thieves using stocks for money laundering.
(One example of money laundering fraud against American investors that
Asra’s Georgetown University openly aided and abetted and profited
from is Samaritan Pharmaceuticals.)
Asra Nomani should as an ex WSJ ‘reporter’ be exposing the fraud that
is at Georgetown University,(a one time Catholic university
parasitised by disreputable characters such as herself,James Angel and
even SEC attorneys such as John Reed Stark who has allowed so much
cyberfraud such as Samaritan Pharmaceuticals to operate in the firt
place !).
I have no idea if Daniel Pearl was a lying Zionist like his father
Judea,(a grown university ‘educated’ white guy who lies about being a
‘semite’) or not.But Asra, like Judea, avoids discussing the fact that
Daniel Pearl’s supposed reason for being in Pakistan in the first
place was to investigate Richard Reid ‘the shoe bomber’. And if that
was what got him killed in Pakistan in the first place, was his
intention to then go next to Israeli where Richard Reid,(just before
he got on that plane from DeGualle Paris airport with his ‘shoe bomb
to the U.S.) was coincidentally,( just like Asra Nomani),treated like
a Moslem guest of honor, or not ?
So Asra Nomani, was Daniel Pearl about to expose Israeli and ICTS
International complicity in allowing Richard Reid ‘the shoe bomber’ to
board that plane before he was beheaded by Mansoor Ijaz’s contacts
(and if so he was a real American heroe unlike his father who is a
hateful Zionist),or was he(like you) in a cover up mode for ICTS
International and thus the Israel security,(stocks) and
securities,(safety),criminals of convisted(in Israel) money launderer
Menachem Atzmon’s ICTS International who allowed 9/11 to happen by
allowing those flights that hit the WTC to take off from Logan BOSTON
IN THE FIRST PLACE ?! To me Asra Nomani,you represent the very kind of
danger to America our U.S.Constitution was destroyed for and replaced
by Israel’s and Michael Chertoff’s Patriot Act to combat.But of course
you are in league with ICTS and Chrtoff or you would speak up.And
Daniel Pearl was either a Zionist,(like his daddy Judea),working
against the American public to cover up Richard Reid’s trip to Israel
for the Israelis of ICTS that allowed him to board the plane in Paris
for the U.S. in the first place or he was a real American heroe who
rebeled against his father and Zionists and lost his head for it.Which
is it Asra? Recently ICTS (Christmas 2009) who allowed 9/11 to happen
and allowed Reid to board in Paris wih his ‘sho bomb’ allowed the
Nigerian ‘crotch bomber’ to board flight 253 from Schiphol Airport in
Amsterdam to Detroit.Which is it Asra ?
Also Asra, after being treated so harshly by Israel’s allies in Saudi
Arabia (at’ the mound of the rock’ or whatever you call it), were you
treated better at Al Aqsa Mosque by your Israeli guests and friends
when you worshipped there ? Are did they allow you to worship there or
are you in fact a hypocrite who uses your Islamic religion just for
stirring up anti Islamic sentiment and disinformation for your Zionist
masters ?

non answer from Asra Nomani:

Dear TonyRyals,

Honestly, I don’t really get where you’re coming from. But, sadly, I
never visited Israel with Danny. I went after Danny’s murder with my
family, after we had completed the hajj in Saudi Arabia. I had a gun
pointed to my head as I walked through the checkpoint to get into the
Dome of the Rock, where I wish all people could pray.

It’s easy to level conspiracy theories upon others. But I would gently
suggest that the truth is far often much more boring. Right now, my
highest priority is figuring out how to get my son weighed in for the
“ankle biter” divison of tackle football and still get to Kings
Dominion with a friend on Sunday. Boring.

I’m not part of some grand conspiracy. I agree Mansur Ijaz is an
interesting character. One day, I will pick up the phone to do a
reported profile on him.

Until then, thanks for writing, Asra

…………..

Christmas Camel by Procol Harum

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQwR1Ph35Jo

While madmen in top hats and tails
impale themselves on six-inch nails
and some Arabian also-ran
impersonates a watering can

Some Santa Claus-like face of note
entreats my ears to set afloat
my feeble sick and weary brain
and I am overcome with shame
and hide inside my overcoat
and hurriedly begin to quote
while some Arabian sheikh most grand
impersonates a hot-dog stand

The Red Cross ambulance outside
can only mean that I must hide
’til dusk and finally the night
when I will make a hasty flight
across the sea and far away
to where the weary exiles stay
and some Arabian oil-well
impersonates a padded cell