It shouldn’t be. If someone is willing to believe the truly incredible things that Mormonism espouses, I want to know that and include that in my calculations as to their fitness for office. It will tell me a lot about how gullible they are and whether they really use their noggin. But, of course, the same holds true for Christianity, Judaism, Islam, Scientology and any other theories that require blind faith, free of testable evidence.

To be fair to Romney, he does not talk about religion as much as Santorum.

Religion should be off the table and nobody’s business. A candidate who brings it up is stupid.

You yak about it, you sound like a TV preacher, and that means nuts.

Because Santorum is the only one not ashamed of his religion.

Obama is ashamed of his, and i quote ” My Muslim faith” he he he he

But seriously: Its no secret the Main Stream Media hates Christians, just look how angry they got at Franklin Graham. For pointing out what the Arab spring means for Christians, the same Arab spring obama and the Lame Stream media all supported. Why don’t we hear about Egypt anymore? Because it is a nightmare now.

STOP THE DEMOCRATS WAR ON GAS. ( Mediaite refuses to release any negative press about Obama’s energy policies failures) We the people of Mediaite demand coverage of Obama’s fuel crisis!!!!!!!!!

 So you would not have a problem with a loon from the Westboro church being elected?

Of course you would, all I’m saying is it does matter.

The Religion Wars have begun!!

GOP = God’s Own Party

Saint Santorum is our only hope!

GOP = God’s Own Party

Saint Santorum is our only hope!

Mormonism shouldn’t be off the table.
Neither should misogony or homophobia, Rikki… that’s why we’re hoping you can kick Romney’s buttocks…  still, by the looks of that nose smeared all over your face, you can’t kick anyone’s hiney.

Who said it was off limits? Mitt Romney doesn’t wear it on his sleeve like Santorum and so many other Republicans do, as if it were some badge of honor to believe in the unknown and the unknowable.

Out of curiosity, have you ever looked into the Trinity United Church of Christ? A certain Reverend said some very interesting things over a period of time (some might consider extremely offensive) and a certain current President was a member of that Church for 20 years. I might be wrong…but didn’t the current President call that Reverend his “spiritual leader”?

Do you really think Democrats want to get into the whole religion thing? 

Speaking of Mormonism….ever see the South Park Mormon episode? Good times… 

Why shouldn’t people make fun of religion in the same way they make fun of politicians?

 So you would not vote for a loon from the Westboro church if they were the nominee against Obama?

Of course you would.

Santorum’s Christianity is only talked about because he constantly brings it up.  If Romney brought up Mormonism at every stump speech people would be talking about that as well.

A SANTORUM aide is bringing this up, not Obama.

But since you brought up Rev Wright; doesnt he sound a lot like Ron Paul?

STOP THE DEMOCRATS WAR ON GAS

Yes they do.

No they don’t.

I don’t know.

A loon from Westboro would no doubt be the leading GOP candidate right now.

War on gas? You might want to consider an antacid for that.

As a rationalist, I’ve had to accept that any candidate for president is going to belong to some faith. It’s unfortunately inescapable. So for me, it’s a question of how strange are the tenets of the faith, how often does the candidate invoke their religion, how much do they say they rely on it for “guidance,” and, most importantly, do they substitute spiritual thought for rational thought.

We had a president recently who, at critical times, overlooked real world evidence and chose instead to believe what his “higher father” told him. That resulted in some pretty horrendous decisions that cost thousands of lives and billions in treasure.

So while Republicans may want to continue to stoke the boogie man of Reverend Wright, I can say with certainty that Wright’s words never damaged the country. But a president who listened to an invisible man in the sky did.

If conservative racists get to throw around baseless accusations that the president is non-Christian, then everyone should be able to ask MItt about the wacky beliefs of his faith, as well as the backwards, racist views the church held as late as the 1970s.

Been there, done that. Media covered it 24/7 in March 2008.
No one cared, other than rightwing nuts who weren’t going to vote for him anyway.

I’m betting he didn’t utter a peep when $4-a-gallon gas was the norm in the George W. Boosh years.

When Mitt decided to join this ‘war on religion” talk yesterday, his nutty church became fair game for criticism.

Sorry….I didn’t think this was too hard to follow. 

ExGOPman basically said he cares about what a candidate’s religion is and what the religion is about. He said he would use it to formulate his opinion on the fitness of the candidate to be POTUS. All I did is to ask him if HE applied the same scrutiny to the current POTUS. I pointed out some people could find some of the things said at that particular Church to be very offensive. 

I then asked him his opinion if he really thought the Democrats would really want to “go there.” Now do you understand?

Have you seen this pic of Santorum floating around the web. It’s composed completely of tiny pics of gay p*rn. People have way too much time on their hands.

WARNING: Do not click on it to enlarge unless you want to see the full monty.

http://i.imgur.com/6A1XX.jpg

 That crazy loon actually did run for office.
Ran for Governor of Kansas 1990.. Some 11,572 (6.72%) idiots voted for the crackpot

Ran for the Democratic nomination for Senate 1992..Some 49,416 (30.8%) actually voted for the loon.

Ran for the Democratic nominee for Governor 1994. 5,349 (3.36%) voted for the loon then.

Ran for the Democratic nominee for Governor. 1994 15,233 (14.72%) voted for him then,

I think you can tell that even the a^^holes of Kansas wouldn’t even elect him.

If Romney was imposing his beliefs on other people then it would not be off limits.  And it is not Christianity that is being attacked, it is Santorum’s zealousness about Christianity that is being attacked.  Stop calling foul when you commit one.

The Garden of Eden was in Missouri

The original Native Americans were a member of the 10 lost tribes that crossed the Atlantic Ocean thousands of years ago, and they were white.

Most tribes in America became violent so God punished them with dark skin.

Blacks were discriminated against by the church from 1849-1978, claiming that black people were the “Curse of Cain”.

Yes, Mormonism should come into question. I would like to know why a presidential candidate could devoutly follow a religion with so much historical & scientific inaccuracy and to top it off, a religion that outwardly practiced racial discrimination 14 years after the Civil Rights Act.

I do think the Mormon position on Blacks is fair game.  Someone really should ask ROmney’s opinion of church teachings on that.

It’s something that most Mormons are uncomfortable talking about, though, so  I imagine it would make for an awkward (but headline grabbing) interview for the first journalist brave enough to risk it.

And Santorum continually talks about religion because he wants to appeal to the Fundamental Christians and Protestants et.al

Santtorum has placed this huge weight around his own neck and Satan is going to pull him down.

While not very popular, IMO, (any) religion is like a useful idiot. If it gives people a reason for being, …basically helps them in life to be a good person which they otherwise would struggle to do on their own – then go for it. Go to Church, believe all you want and just be a good person.

Some of the things that are done in the name of God (again any religion),  now and throughout history, have been terrible. How many national/world issues exist today because of religion?

Yes, there have been many instances of people of faith doing wonder things for their fellow man, but wouldn’t it be nice they did it out of the goodness of their heart and not because God told them to? 

To your point about Reverend Wright’s words never damaged the country…someone (not necessarily me) might debate you on that topic. They may argue the sermons Rev. Wright gave over those years greatly impacted the thinking of the POTUS and that he is acting or implementing policies which could damage (or are damaging) the country. 

All of this cr*p you just typed will never be as bad and corrupt as a Muslim in the White House. 

You know ” My Muslim faith”! 

Out of curiosity have you ever heard of the Catholic Church? A certain Pope who is part of the systematic cover-up of the rape and torture of children called it an “American media problem.” Even though there is documented proof of his involvement in moving rapist around and protecting them from the authorities.

So we have a Preacher who spoke his mind as opposed to the rape and torture of children, which is worse?

I’m waiting for one reporter with the balls to call Bishop Rick out the next time he brings up Rev.Wright.

*grabs popcorn*

I really hope the religious talk continues.  I don’t believe in the supernatural, but I’m enjoying the show.  Quite frankly the more religion is brought into the politics the sooner people will get sick of hearing about it and the back lash will shut these pious assh&^*^ up.   It has gotten to the point where you have a Catholic claiming that Protestants left god, or whatever, Christians claiming Mormons are not part of the team, and  Christian preachers telling us who the ”real Christian” is (and it isn’t Obama according to them).  And they all agree Muslims (Obama according them them) are the worst.

Bring up Rev. Wright all day long I say.

Clovis -

Please see my response to Moosenuts. I was not debating religion or anything like that. I asked exGOPman if applied the same scrutiny with the current President.

To kind of answer your questions, yes…I have heard of the Catholic Church. Hell, I went to Catholic school for 12 years. I decided I didn’t believe in the teachings around 6th grade and was able to convince my parents to stop attending Mass. 

To your point, one of the biggest things that troubles me is that many of the people who become priests do so because they say God told them to (or spoke to them). So one could argue God picked them to do his work and become a priest….but yet how many of these same people then molested children and destroyed their lives? To which one could then ask….pretty nice/loving God huh?

I saw your reply afterwards. 

What part of what Rev. Wright said offends you the most? I have read most of the quotes, and in context, and have heard worse. 

How come none of the Republican stooges questioning the president’s faith are scared to play the Muslim card?

And why can’t you ask a religious person for proof? In every other area of our debate you need some facts to back up what you assert. But you can claim to have an insight into creator of the universe and we have to take it on “faith.”

Sam Harris has a great take on this.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DGwQ4lPj0uM&feature=related

You really are an asshole. 

Mormonism is a cult and just ask moroni if you do not believe me.  

Yes, I would like to know why a prospective presidential candidate spent half his life as a devout member of a racist organization. I believe it shows very poor judgement on Romney’s part. He even attended BYU while it was being boycotted for the church’s discriminatory policies towards blacks. I don’t think Romney is a racist but I don’t expect him to be the type of person that opposes racism either.

I agree with a number of things you’ve said. But the claims that Wright’s sermons have “impacted” the president’s policies negatively are generally by the same people who whisper that he’s a secret Muslim. Listen to Obama’s speech on Wright from 2008. I think he explains the relationship all very beautifully and clearly and reasonably to any rational thinker.

So is your god better than the Muslim god?  What is your beef with Muslims?

OMG… I hope Santorum’s not watching PBS right now – they just showed a 9-foot wang (disqus censors the p-word) as a couple whales were mating.

http://lnk.co/IHTX5

And you wonder why so many people are turned off by religion. Just listening to nuts like you makes us want to run as far away from religion as possible.

Well here is the ugly truth, hawk

And David said unto him, Thy blood be upon thy head; for thy mouth hath testified against thee, saying, I have slain the LORD’S anointed. 2 Samuel 1:16

It won’t hurt me, if you don’t accept Christ. The hypocrites sitting in church (myself included) can not save you. Only Christ can, and he is no hypocrite. Look past “religion” and find salvation.

 It’s nice too meet you too, clovis.

Maybe what you stated is true. However, I hope you will concede a couple of things. First and foremost, neither of us, nor anyone else knows exactly what the man believes or doesn’t believe, desired outcomes, etc. Only he knows that. When he made that speech, he was a candidate running for the highest office in the nation. He had to say what he did no matter what because if he didn’t he would of been roasted by the Republicans. So maybe what he said is the truth, maybe what he said is partially true, or maybe what he said is a bunch of bull….I don’t know, you don’t know, no one really knows but him. 

All I am saying is that he is first and foremost a politician. At the time, a politician running for office. A politician running for office will say just about anything to get elected or re-elected. There was no way, no how he was going to ignore the controversy and there was no way no how he was going to agree with what Rev. Wright was saying.

I don’t know where these two ideas of his are based from (in his mind), but Obama drives me nuts is when he says that the rich need to pay their fair share and everyone needs a fair shake. I agree with those premises, but I think he is full of it.

Real quick, rich and fair share. What is a fair share? Let’s look at Romney. He had an effective tax rate of 14%. Obama would say that isn’t a fair share. Romney paid $3M in taxes. So you have $3M and 14%. Did Romney use more of what the government provides than me or you? Maybe, I don’t know. But did you pay close to $3M in taxes last year? I didn’t….not even close. Better way to think of it. Would you rather own 1 share of Apple for a day and have a return of 1% or have 1 share of stock that is $1.00 for a day and increased 100%. I would take the 1% and the $5.00 and not the 100% or $1.00…right? So maybe people should talk about the dollars that people pay in and not necessarily the tax rate. BTW, I think Romney and others like him should pay the full ordinary income tax rate on the carried interest money he received…that is BS….and not 15%. That is something I agree with Obama about.

Second point, and hopefully quicker…everyone gets a fair shake. In 2012, how are people not getting a fair shake? We live in a land where you can do just about anything you want to do if you work hard enough. No forces you to do anything. Yes, luck can be involved, but there are tons of people (all races) who had zippo and now are successful. If someone is not getting a fair shake there is some type of discrimination going on and there are laws in place to punish those who are doing it. Yes, I am sure there are some people who are getting hosed by someone discriminating against them, but there isn’t a universal problem like he makes it out to be. Bottom line, there should be equal opportunity but not equal outcomes….the outcome depends on the individual effort.

For the most part, America and Americans are in the situation we are in because people and government (Federal, state, and local) lacks discipline and fiscal responsibility and more importantly, personal responsibility.

Sorry for the rant.

It’s not all gay porn.  There’s the odd guy on girl, and even a pic of Hannity if I’m not mistaken.

Blah blah blah..God, the Lord, Christ…..if it helps you make it through the day good for you, but enough with you nuts inserting religion into politics…lets concentrate on the things that matter like jobs and the debt. I wish we could all live by George Carlin’s 11th commandment..”Keep thy religion to thyself”.

“Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
20and teaching them to obey everything I have commanded you. And surely I am with you always, to the very end of the age.” Matthew 28:19

Someone ought to remind Santorum and his aides that Santorum himself, along with his anti everything comments is what opens him to being questioned on his beliefs. If he doesn’t want to be questioned about it he should shut up about it.

Or at least some Beano

Wow, interesting comments about my church – The Church Of Jesus Christ Of Latter-day Saints, often called the Mormon church because of the Book of Mormon.

Someone mentioned that more people need to know the, “Mormon position on Blacks”…what position??
We have over 14 million members, worldwide, and one of the fastest growing areas for our church, which includes the help of a 50,000+ volunteer Missionary force, (who pay their own expenses) is among the Black population.  We have chapels and congregations all over Central and Southern Africa.  Senior Missionaries, (older, retired couples) have service projects all over the continent. One of the most successful projects is bringing fresh, clean water to hundreds of villages. Some people had to walk five miles or more to obtain water to carry back to their villages.

Go to Mormon.org and read some of the stories of people who are Mormons, including people of all races.

Why are all the Mainline Protestant Churches in America experiencing declining numbers?? Yet, our church remains one of the fastest growing churches in the world.  Just another, “nutty” religion….I think not! 

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 I am a catholic and frankly, some of my church’s beliefs are pretty hard to swallow to a non believer. Maybe you should get your head out of your ass and understand that religion is based on faith and each religion has areas that belie common sense. Being a bigot must be exhausting for you. So much hate, so little time.

If you look at it, all religions have what some would call whacky beliefs. God is 3 entities, Jesus died and came back to life, Moses parted the red sea etc etc etc. Why pick on Mormons? We believe what we believe. To assume that being a mormon is somewhat different than being a catholic or a jew when it comes to whacky beliefs just shows you to be undereducated and a bigot.

Santorum appeals to the lowest denominator of americans, intolerant, right wing, evangelical bigots. For a christian to hate mormons is despicable. I am a catholic and am ashamed of Santorum. He does not adhere to my catholic teachings of tolerance, acceptance and love. He breeds on hatred of gays, other religions, women etc. His surge has ended because the conservatives that went along for the ride are dropping off now that they heard his words. His only support will continue to be the haters out there that are more aligned with fundamentalist islam than they are to christianity.

I agree your wacky beliefs are no different than other faiths wacky beliefs. I think the difference is that mormonism is a very new spin off of the christian faith. And many christians who don’t have a hard time believing that a man rose from the dead 2000 years ago, have a hard time believing that a man found some gold tablets with some new shit on them 200 years ago. Its all a matter of time and distance. To me its all bullshit. One thing I do appreciate about Romney is that he rarely talks about faith, even if its just that he doesn’t want to bring up his religion thats fine by me. If you look at Catholics or Mormons or Evangelicals, in the big picture none of them know what the hell they are talking about.

As a fellow rationalist I agree. Until recently (Australian election of atheist Gillard) I had to accept that a lot of politicians had irrational beliefs. The best I could ask for with many was that it was kept private and not used for policy. Luckily Australia has had several non believers as PM, at least one (Hawke) before Gillard. I have such sympathy for people such as yourself in the US where atheists struggle to get elected and have their voices heard. Indeed I think Obama’s attitude to faith is the very best one can ask for at the present. He keeps it quite private and does not irrationally use it to make or strike down laws. I shudder to think what irrational idiots like Santorum would do in the name of a silly hateful badly written book of mediocre fairy tales. What damage would he do to the environment, the community, education and world affairs!

“Derpty derp muslim derty derp birf certificate!!!!!!!1!!! Trump says so!!!!!”

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Sorry, but the president needs to make decisions based on facts, evidence and testable data. Putting one’s blind faith in the unprovable ahead of these things — as Bush did — has lead to disaster in the past.

Exactly right, thanks.

The Santorum advisor’s comment is a lie. The two situations are not remotely comparable. Santorum has made religion a key part of his campaign, much like Huckabee, in 2008, so it is perfectly correct for him to be asked about his remarks about religion (whether in 2008 or now)and what they imply. Santorum has not been asked about “the tenets of Catholicism”, which is a church to which over one-quarter of Americans belong. In contrast, Romney’s approach to religion has been minimalist. Furthermore, by complaining about a “free pass” on Mormonism, the Santorum advisor is arguing that Romney should be asked, NOT about his minimalist statements about religion, which do not mention Mormonism, but about Mormonism in general. Of course, that is simply an attempt to stir up prejudice. By the way Mr. Santorum, please tell me about exorcisms.

Just as wacky as “Mainstream” Christian beliefs…dude walking on water…turning people to salt…magic bushes…you have to question anybody that believes in silly stuff like this.

How does killing Jesus forgive us for Adam & Eve eating from the Tree of Knowledge again? Why was eating from the Tree of Knowledge such a big deal again? I have nothing against people believing in these things but I think every rational person would question whether these things ever happened or if they could ever happen. Furthermore, imposing such beliefs into public policy is even more concerning. People like Rick Santorum personify why we have a separation of church and state clause.

For all the talks about a candidate’s religious beliefs I wonder if the avg voter is aware of Article 6 of the constitution 

“no religious Test shall ever be required as a Qualification to any Office or public Trust under the United States.”

just saying it seems like people have forgotten that 

Sneaky, sneaky Santorum…you are so obvious… hopefully even the sheep can see through you and your desperation.

Brigham Young and the entire Mormon hierarchy would have been hanged in 1857, had the Mountain Meadows Massacre been prosecuted to its fullest potential .. Whence some one hundred and forty, California bound Arkansas men and women..

Were slaughtered under a flag of truce, after Mormons decked out as Indians attacked their wagons .. Forty two white men were hanged at Gainesville Texas in 1862, for failing to support the Confederacy, the same year thirty eight Santee Sioux were hanged in Minnesota,

After five American settlers were killed by Indians, whose case rested on their assertion that the settlers had fired first, while eighty five Irish traitors, were justly hanged in New Mexico in 1846, they had deserted General Taylor’s command, and joined Santa Anna’s forces in Mexico.

Then crossing back into Texas, slew eleven of their former comrades from ambush, on the northern banks of the Rio Grande .. Fifty four Mormons took part in the Mountain Meadows Massacre, of whom thirty two were from England .. Brigham Y was up to his neck in it all.

As well he received livestock and property looted from the wagons! John D Lee Mormon Bishop and adopted son of BY, was the single Mormon executed by firing squad in 1877, twenty yrs after the event!

Provo Utah is the site of at least one FEMA camp – picture inbred descendants of the massacre perpetrators, having their way with the thousands of internees, using the same rationale that fueled the MMM, that the victims are “Gentiles!”