I think his testimony was not appropriate.

Right.

I think it was an embarrassment for Mr. Colbert more than the House.

Wrong, aside from the lack of laughs. If I were Colbert, I’d have done it too. I would have brought funnier jokes, but I don’t blame him a bit for going. Zoe Lofgren is the idiot here.

Colbert made a mockery of the government. Not surprising that Nancy Pelosi praised it. It’s striking how quick the Democrats are to embrace any bit of clownishness that distracts voters from real issues. But, truly, they go too far nowadays…..

Steny Hoyer is welcome to his opinion. I don’t think his points were lost within the satire to anyone who gave a dam enough to get them.

Colbert’s jokes were funny but they cut a little too close to the bone of conservative hypocrisy.

In that sense it was inappropriate mocking of the Right and it wasn’t the place for it.

It would be like if Glenn Beck showed up as that pipe smoking douchebag he plays.

“I don’t whether [he should have been called] but what he said was not the way it should have been said.”

Old school Steny comes out. The problem with his analysis is that Colbert’s testimony was much more effective WITH the satire than without. It is precisely the absurdity of the current policy and many of the arguments for a new policy that his “routine” exposed. I see a lot of people decrying his presence, but so far, nobody has successfully debunked his message… or even tried.

Colbert’s appearance was better than Elmo’s back in 2002 — although I think Elmo would still be the best example of a “fake person” in front of Congress if Katy Perry had joined him in that dress. Mock that, Congressional hypocrites!

Paul Westlake said:
I see a lot of people decrying his presence, but so far, nobody has successfully debunked his message… or even tried.

What message? That picking produce is hard work? Damn, Colbert is right and you didn’t know it until he told you! You owe him a huge debt of gratitude for the education provided to you by his Congressional clown show.

Me, I’ve picked more produce than I care to remember so I kind of knew already. I found it silly.

“I think it was an embarrassment for Mr. Colbert more than the House.”

Republicans are America’s biggest embarrassment. I apologize for them every time we travel the world and I tell global citizens who ask why Republicans are so backwards i tell them “They are are America’s own Taliban.”

Pablo said:
Right. Wrong, aside from the lack of laughs. If I were Colbert, I’d have done it too. I would have brought funnier jokes, but I don’t blame him a bit for going. Zoe Lofgren is the idiot here.

George Bush made her do it!

felixw said:
Colbert made a mockery of the government. Not surprising that Nancy Pelosi praised it. It’s striking how quick the Democrats are to embrace any bit of clownishness that distracts voters from real issues. But, truly, they go too far nowadays…..

You are taking what she said out of context! What she really said was praise worthy but George Bush made it seem idiotic!

shootfromthehip said:
“I think it was an embarrassment for Mr. Colbert more than the House.” Republicans are America’s biggest embarrassment. I apologize for them every time we travel the world and I tell global citizens who ask why Republicans are so backwards i tell them “They are are America’s own Taliban.”

You can join Obama in traveling the world and apologizing.

Peter Engel said:
Colbert’s appearance was better than Elmo’s back in 2002 — although I think Elmo would still be the best example of a “fake person” in front of Congress if Katy Perry had joined him in that dress. Mock that, Congressional hypocrites!

That was an appearance to testify by Elmo? I thought he was a Congressman!

shootfromthehip said:
“I think it was an embarrassment for Mr. Colbert more than the House.”

Republicans are America’s biggest embarrassment. I apologize for them every time we travel the world and I tell global citizens who ask why Republicans are so backwards i tell them “They are are America’s own Taliban.”

Are any of those global citizens Afghans? Do they laugh in your face? Heckuva job, Mr. Ambassador. BTW, most people don’t consider a trip to 7-11 or Dunkin Donuts “traveling the world”, Joe Biden notwithstanding.

No, prefer Asia and Europe. Thanks. But I do love me some Dunkin Donuts as well.

But you DO realize that the ENTIRE industrialized world thinks Republicans are backwards-thinking thugs who want to start World War 3, right?

I tell them, “except for Ron Paul, that is a correct reading of today’s uneducated and hateful GOP.”

Obama’s old buddy and neighbor meets with Mahmoud . What up with that ?http://www.myfoxdfw.com/dpps/news/iranian-president-meets-farrakhan-in-nyc-dpgonc-km-20100926_9798692

shootfromthehip said:
“I think it was an embarrassment for Mr. Colbert more than the House.” Republicans are America’s biggest embarrassment. I apologize for them every time we travel the world and I tell global citizens who ask why Republicans are so backwards i tell them “They are are America’s own Taliban.”

And when you travel the world do those people tell you what a dofus you are you bad mouthing your country? Why is it that you take comments by a leading Democrat and act as if he is a Republican and then brag about how you bad mouth the US when you are abroad?

Pablo said:
What message? That picking produce is hard work? Damn, Colbert is right and you didn’t know it until he told you! You owe him a huge debt of gratitude for the education provided to you by his Congressional clown show.

Me, I’ve picked more produce than I care to remember so I kind of knew already. I found it silly.

Never miss a beat, do ya. No, his message was that only 16 people took the Farm Worker’s challenge, in a nation experiencing near 10% official unemployment. Ergo, Americans really WON’T do those jobs, not at those wages, at that level of exploitation, and for that amount of physical beating. It was a real message that went unnoticed by the people who were too busy snickering and feeling superior.

shootfromthehip said:
Republicans are America’s biggest embarrassment. I apologize for them every time we travel the world and I tell global citizens who ask why Republicans are so backwards i tell them “They are are America’s own Taliban.”

Yup, those global citizens really have it going on, especially in Europe. If Republicans make it so bad here, Shoot, why don’t you move over there where they are so enlightened?

shootfromthehip said:
But you DO realize that the ENTIRE industrialized world thinks Republicans are backwards-thinking thugs who want to start World War 3, right?

Who cares what they think?

shootfromthehip said:
“They are are America’s own Taliban.”

I think you’re a little off (in more ways then one). Just to jog your memory regarding the Taliban, here is a clip showing real Taliban stoning a woman to death. Enjoy-

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/rare-video-shows-taliban-allegedly-stoning-woman-death/story?id=11717682

BTW, the problem with Colbert’s testimony is that everyone is talking about HOW he said it, not WHAT he said. That is why it was ineffective.

Patrick Henry said:
Yup, those global citizens really have it going on, especially in Europe. If Republicans make it so bad here, Shoot, why don’t you move over there where they are so enlightened?

Just when I think dumb fucks like you can’t get an dumber; you manage to top yourself. Congrats Patty.

PS – Why haven’t you changed your user name; you obviously hate America.

shootfromthehip said:
No, prefer Asia and Europe. Thanks. But I do love me some Dunkin Donuts as well.

But you DO realize that the ENTIRE industrialized world thinks Republicans are backwards-thinking thugs who want to start World War 3, right?

I take it Eastern Europe is not on your itinerary.

You DO realize that the CHINESE are not impressed with the Democrats, right?

Paul Westlake said:
Ergo, Americans really WON’T do those jobs, not at those wages, at that level of exploitation, and for that amount of physical beating.

Not when they can make more collecting unemployment, they won’t. Everybody knows that, too.

Just what did they think they were going to get when they called him? You call in a comedian and thats what you get. And a bad one at that… next time call in Carrot Top. He’s still good for a few laughs. Well, his looks anyway…

Ted- said:
Just when I think dumb fucks like you can’t get an dumber; you manage to top yourself. Congrats Patty.

PS – Why haven’t you changed your user name; you obviously hate America.

Hi Ted, make no mistake, you are an idiot. Now crawl on back to your sewer.

shootfromthehip said:
But you DO realize that the ENTIRE industrialized world thinks Republicans are backwards-

I suppose we’ll just have to take your word for that. But I’m sure you’re correct. After all, Pres Obama has enjoyed one foreign policy success after another. I can’t really think of any right now, but I’m sure you could list five or six, right? So please do.

RichS said:
And when you travel the world do those people tell you what a dofus you are you bad mouthing your country? Why is it that you take comments by a leading Democrat and act as if he is a Republican and then brag about how you bad mouth the US when you are abroad?

He doesnt travel the world. He nothing but another full of shit liberal puke.

Pablo said:
Not when they can make more collecting unemployment, they won’t. Everybody knows that, too.

What’s sad is that unemployment is actually competitive with a lot of wages around the country. In New York City, it barely covers rent, let alone all the rest of life’s expenses, but in other parts, the severe depression in wages has actually made unemployment attractive. But, of course, not everyone qualifies,and those that do, can only collect for so long, even with extensions. So no, it’s not people collecting unemployment benefits that are the problem, it’s the jobs themselves.

Sorry Steny but, the testimony below is not only the true embarrassment but, unlike Colbert’s, this wingnut loons was a lie. Steny’s pretty hot though isn’t he ladies? A real silver fox!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dorCLFVpzyo

You have to wonder how dumb the people who voted for this dolt are? Oh, and while I’m not up on Foreign Policy, I do think this is a pretty big deal and so does Israel!
http://www.defencetalk.com/russia-bans-supply-of-missiles-other-arms-to-iran-28930/

roxsteady said:
You have to wonder how dumb the people who voted for this dolt are? Oh, and while I’m not up on Foreign Policy, I do think this is a pretty big deal and so does Israel!

I think his picture is in the Dictionary next to the word dolt.

roxsteady said:
Oh, and while I’m not up on Foreign Policy, I do think this is a pretty big deal and so does Israel!
http://www.defencetalk.com/russia-bans-supply-of-missiles-other-arms-to-iran-28930/

THATS AWESOME
thanks for the link

Patrick Henry said:
Hi Ted, make no mistake, you are an idiot. Now crawl on back to your sewer.

I can tell you really had to think about that one didn’t you Patty.

roxsteady said:
I do think this is a pretty big deal and so does Israel!

Roxy, you better be careful or your leftist membership card will be revoked. The Left doesn’t look favorably on Israel.

Ted- said:
I can tell you really had to think about that one didn’t you Patty.

Giddyup!

The US congress and all Americans should be outside the door of the moron who scheduled this and demanding a resignation. What kind of a joke is this? Such serious issues and such unbelievable idiots running the show. How does it happen? A complete disregard for everyone and a ego the size of , well insert large item here.

Since many of you have gone off topic, I’d like to join you for a minute. Can any of you explain to me why that GOP Pledge which is designed to cut spending and reduce the deficit actually does the opposite?

Ezra Klein pointed this out:

“Take the deficit. Perhaps the two most consequential policies in the proposal are the full extension of the Bush tax cuts and the full repeal of the health-care law. The first would increase the deficit by more than $4 trillion over the next 10 years, and many trillions of dollars more after that. The second would increase the deficit by more than $100 billion over the next 10 years, and many trillions of dollars more after that. Nothing in the document comes close to paying for these two proposals, and the authors know it: The document never says that the policy proposals it offers will ultimately reduce the deficit.”

I wonder why that is?

I’m guessing that most of you didn’t notice this which is what makes you the ideal Republican Teabagger constituent.

Patrick Henry said:
Giddyup!

Patty, if this little exchange is overloading your circuits (and I’m sure it is) then take break.

I really love the impotency of comments like Leftist. It’s a clear example of an inability to actually meet facts head on with anything except sarcasm. Well played sir! Like I said, the ideal constituent. Oh, as for morons who schedule congressional testimony, perhaps Republican Duke Cunningham, who scheduled Elmo’s testimony back in 2002 would agree with you. That is, if he wasn’t currently serving time after pleading guilty to taking 2.4 million dollars in bribes. I wonder if Elmo has been to visit?

Ted- said:
Patty, if this little exchange is overloading your circuits (and I’m sure it is) then take break.

Teddy, I am impressed, you actually made a post with no obscenities. Good for you!

Oh, and thanks for not answering my question about the GOP’s bullshit pledge. It just proves how painful it must befor some of you to support a party that would try to pass this pamphlet of junk off as serious policy. You have my sympathy.

Paul Westlake said:
But, of course, not everyone qualifies,and those that do, can only collect for so long, even with extensions.

What you have to do to qualify is lose your job without having done anything terribly wrong. Benefits are roughly two years right now.

So no, it’s not people collecting unemployment benefits that are the problem, it’s the jobs themselves.

People who have no other income or means of support will do whatever jobs are available. And again, it isn’t an easy or high paying job, but I used to do it for pocket money when I was a kid. If I had to do it again or starve, I’d do it again.

Patrick Henry said:
Teddy, I am impressed, you actually made a post with no obscenities. Good for you!

Patty, thanks a lot asshole.

roxsteady said:
Oh, and thanks for not answering my question about the GOP’s bullshit pledge.

Holy cow, rox! People went 11 whole minutes with out addressing your badly premised question? Spike that ball, rox!

Pablo said:
What you have to do to qualify is lose your job without having done anything terribly wrong. Benefits are roughly two years right now.

Lose your full time job. No unemployment for part time, contract and freelance workers who lose their jobs.

Pablo said:
People who have no other income or means of support will do whatever jobs are available. And again, it isn’t an easy or high paying job, but I used to do it for pocket money when I was a kid. If I had to do it again or starve, I’d do it again.

Depends on the job. Many of the employers who exploit immigrant labor simply won’t hire young Americans because they also swindle the migrants out of the pittance they promised in the first place. They won’t risk working that scheme on legal workers. Also, McDonalds has plenty of jobs that pay more for an easier day, and plenty of people won’t do that either, for a variety of reasons. Same at Walmart. The economy is dominated by corporations that have no patriotic interest in paying a living wage, so they don’t. And I bet you’d be hard-pressed to find that same job you had as a kid again. They don’t operate that way anymore.

roxsteady said:
Oh, and thanks for not answering my question about the GOP’s bullshit pledge. It just proves how painful it must befor some of you to support a party that would try to pass this pamphlet of junk off as serious policy. You have my sympathy.

How about the things they want to remove from healthcare and then put it back in and claim for themselves!!!

Paul Westlake said:
Depends on the job. Many of the employers who exploit immigrant labor simply won’t hire young Americans because they also swindle the migrants out of the pittance they promised in the first place. They won’t risk working that scheme on legal workers.

I think you’ve found the problem, Paul. Are illegal workers the appropriate solution? It’s a lot like slavery, if you ask me, and I think we shouldn’t allow it.

Also, McDonalds has plenty of jobs that pay more for an easier day, and plenty of people won’t do that either, for a variety of reasons. Same at Walmart. The economy is dominated by corporations that have no patriotic interest in paying a living wage, so they don’t.

First off, McDonald’s and Walmart pay lots and lots of people a living wage. Secondly, since when did every job need to provide a living wage? Teenagers don’t require a living wage, they require pocket money. People looking for a second job, or a stay at home mom looking for a little extra income don’t need those jobs to provide a living wage. Young adults living at home need an opportunity to gain experience more than they need a living wage, especially now that Mom and Dad can pay your health coverage until you’re 26.

And I bet you’d be hard-pressed to find that same job you had as a kid again. They don’t operate that way anymore.

They’re family farms/orchards, still run by the same families as 30 years ago. Local kid labor is a hell of a lot more convenient for them than having to put up migrant labor, and they still do the majority of the work themselves.

Truth – HURTS!

Paul Westlake said:

Hey Paul, I wasn’t comparing you to GBR in the ED comments section. I was comparing TRRK to GBR.

roxsteady said:
Oh, and thanks for not answering my question about the GOP’s bullshit pledge

Sorry Roxy. I’m flipping between the Skins game and a Buffy episode. I have no intention of reading the Pledge. I thought it was stupid to even do one. The Democrats are in meltdown mode. As I said on another thread: never interfere with your enemy while he is busy destroying himself.

The only things I’ve heard about are holding spending to 2008 levels and extending the tax cuts for a year or two. In the middle of deep recession it makes sense to me to extend the tax cuts. Anyway, all I really care about is conservatives (unfortunately not all Republicans are conservative) regaining Congress. (Of course, ultimately I’d like to see the Left destroyed, but hey, that’s just a private wish of mine–probably will never happen!)

Pablo said:

People who have no other income or means of support will do whatever jobs are available. And again, it isn’t an easy or high paying job, but I used to do it for pocket money when I was a kid. If I had to do it again or starve, I’d do it again.

The problem is we don’t necessarily want to go backwards where there are more jobs in which people can barely scrape offering no benefits. That’s where we came from.

I have great admiration for those who buckle down and pull themselves up from the bootstraps and I’d admit that too much safety net can be a motivation killer, but I don’t think the opposite extreme is the solution. There has to be some balance where companies make a profit and workers make a decent living.

Ted- said:
asshole.

There you go again, fixating. What is it about you and the anal region? You should see a therapist, my friend.

Patrick Henry said:
There you go again, fixating. What is it about you and the anal region? You should see a therapist, my friend.

All I’m saying Patty (and you may want to write this down) is that assholes like you lap up what Beck and Palin have to dish without question, like a mindless puppy dog. Patty, are you a mindless puppy dog, and asshole, or maybe both, hmmmmm?

Okay, okay, without question you’re at the very least a tea-bagging asshole, but what about mindless puppy dog?

CosmosDan said:
The problem is we don’t necessarily want to go backwards where there are more jobs in which people can barely scrape offering no benefits. That’s where we came from.

Let’s just make everything free! Yay!

Teen funemployment rulez!

The result: the teen unemployment rate neared 28% in October before falling slightly the next month. That’s the highest ever recorded since the Federal Government began tracking it, and it’s almost triple the 10% rate for all workers.

“And when you travel the world do those people tell you what a dofus you are you bad mouthing your country?”

No, RichS, I tell them America is still a great country. But we are fighting with one hand tied behind our back. We have the Republicans who seek to drag America back to the stone age and the Democrats who are trying to move America forward into the 21st century, via progressive policies and smart government.

I am not “bad mouthing” the country you simple minded fool, I am bad mouthing a narrow sliver of rich men (Rethuglicans) who seek to turn this great country into a fascist theocracy by mobilizing an army of Fox news watching retards who will do and repeat whatever the teeeee veeee tells them to, even if it goes against the population’s best interest.

shootfromthehip said:
“And when you travel the world do those people tell you what a dofus you are you bad mouthing your country?”

No, RichS, I tell them America is still a great country. But we are fighting with one hand tied behind our back. We have the Republicans who seek to drag America back to the stone age and the Democrats who are trying to move America forward into the 21st century, via progressive policies and smart government.

I am not “bad mouthing” the country you simple minded fool, I am bad mouthing a narrow sliver of rich men (Rethuglicans) who seek to turn this great country into a fascist theocracy by mobilizing an army of Fox news watching retards who will do and repeat whatever the teeeee veeee tells them to, even if it goes against the population’s best interest.

You’ve got reactionary freak down pat, shoot. Seek help.

Azarkhan said:
The only things I’ve heard about are holding spending to 2008 levels and extending the tax cuts for a year or two.

Repeal Obamacare is in there. That’s likable.

Pablo said:
Repeal Obamacare is in there.

Definitely for that. But they’ll have to settle for cutting funding for now. Even if the Republicans captured the Senate, there won’t be enough to override a veto.

shootfromthehip said:
I am bad mouthing a narrow sliver of rich men (Rethuglicans)

The 50 wealthiest lawmakers were worth an estimated $1.4 billion in 2009 – about $85.1 million more than in 2008. The growth is due, in part, to the fact that the stock market actually rebounded last year, helping lawmakers who had large investments.

Three Republicans and seven Democrats made up the top 10 slots, which are nearly the same as the previous year. Senator John Kerry, D-Mass., topped the list for the second year in a row with a whopping estimated worth of $188.6 million. Congressman Michael McCaul, R-Texas, however, joined the list for the first time, replacing representative Harry Teague, D-N.M.

Here are the top ten, along with their estimated worth.

1. Sen. John Kerry (D-Mass.): $188.6 million
2. Rep. Darrel Issa (R-Calif.): $160.1 million
3. Rep. Jane Harman (D-Calif.): $152.3 million
4. Sen. Jay Rockefeller ( D-W.Va.): $83.7 million
5. Rep. Michael McCaul (R-Texas): $73.8 million
6. Sen. Mark Warner (D-Va.); $70.2 million
7. Rep. Jared Polis (D-Colo.): $56.5 million
8. Rep. Vern Buchanan (R-Fla.): $53.5 million
9. Sen. Frank Lautenberg (D-N.J.): $49.7 million
10. Sen. Diane Feinstein (D-Calif.): $46.1 million

Read more: http://politics.blogs.foxnews.com/2010/08/31/top-ten-wealthiest-members-congress#ixzz10gKPlzbT

Pablo said:
Teenagers don’t require a living wage, they require pocket money. Local kid labor is a hell of a lot more convenient for them than having to put up migrant labor, and they still do the majority of the work themselves.

Well thats great.
Who knows any kids who don’t have a phone and $$$ handed to them?

shootfromthehip said:
I am bad mouthing a narrow sliver of rich men (Rethuglicans)

Here are the top 50 richest Congressmen. BTW, that proletarian Alan Grayson (D) comes in at number 11.

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/116491-the-hills-50-wealthiest-list-slideshow

Pablo said:
Repeal Obamacare is in there. That’s likable.

And put back the same ideas and take credit

Insurance Across State Lines

High-Risk Insurance Pools

Pre-Existing Conditions

Lifetime and Annual Caps

Recissions

State Innovation

Conscience Protections

You are thinking small, Azarkhan. The personal worth of Senators is really just not the issue here.

The issue is the BILLIONAIRES and titans of banking/areospace and oil/energy who seek out Republicans and affect policy via gently pushing reps towards wars that benefit their companies.

(I’m looking at you, Exxon, Lockheed Martin, Haliburton/KBR, Charles Koch and others)

All benefit from war, same with Murdoch.

Follow the money.

shootfromthehip said:
I am bad mouthing a narrow sliver of rich men (Rethuglicans)

Twenty-seven Democrats along with 23 Republicans make up the 50 richest in Congress; 30 House members and 20 senators are on the list.

How much is Alan Grayson worth you ask? $31.1 milliion.

Pablo said:
I think you’ve found the problem, Paul. Are illegal workers the appropriate solution? It’s a lot like slavery, if you ask me, and I think we shouldn’t allow it.

Totally agree, but the powerless and defenseless illegal immigrants are far from the root of the problem. The corporate takeover of the workforce in nearly every sector has devastated the middle class and only a return to a living wage economy, across the board, will set the conditions for a rebound. Otherwise, we’re toast.

Pablo said:
First off, McDonald’s and Walmart pay lots and lots of people a living wage.

Management only.

Pablo said:
Secondly, since when did every job need to provide a living wage? Teenagers don’t require a living wage, they require pocket money. People looking for a second job, or a stay at home mom looking for a little extra income don’t need those jobs to provide a living wage. Young adults living at home need an opportunity to gain experience more than they need a living wage, especially now that Mom and Dad can pay your health coverage until you’re 26.

That would be a viable argument in a healthy economy, but this isn’t a healthy economy. We’ve spent 30 years replacing living wage manufacturing jobs with low wage service jobs, while simultaneously breaking private sector unions and rolling back wage gains in raw materials production, from agriculture to mining. The American middle class is resilient, but it’s finally straining under the top-heavy weight of carrying all these welfare corporations on our backs. It’ll be just fine for food prices to go up if the average worker is earning a living wage, teenagers and stay-at-home moms aside.

Pablo said:
They’re family farms/orchards, still run by the same families as 30 years ago. Local kid labor is a hell of a lot more convenient for them than having to put up migrant labor, and they still do the majority of the work themselves.

That’s incredible and awesome. They are among a very small percentage of family farms to have survived the “Right to Farm” onslaught begun in the 80s. There are still a lot of those farms here in NY State, too. But most of the Midwest and plains States are practically wholly-owned subsidiaries of big agribusiness. I would be ecstatic if American agriculture returned to the type of farming you described. The “efficiencies” created by massive agribusiness are neither efficient, nor healthy, nor economically productive. Illegal immigrants are a very teeny, tiny part of that overall picture. They’re really the last issue that needs to be addressed.

shootfromthehip said:
The personal worth of Senators is really just not the issue here.

Oh. I think what you really mean is that-

Because so many Democrats are so rich, and that fact is embarrassing to you and other leftists, the personal wealth of Congress members is not an issue here.

Whatever.

Rogue-Comic said:
Hey Paul, I wasn’t comparing you to GBR in the ED comments section. I was comparing TRRK to GBR.

I saw your comment over there. Thanks for that.

Azarkhan said:
Because so many Democrats are so rich, and that fact is embarrassing to you and other leftists,

Not to me. I know it takes money and connections to reach Congress, in either party. What matters is what they do with the time they’re there. I’m not wading into the specifics of this fight, just pointing that out. ;-)

Wow!

There is a Dem adult in the House.

Big_F-ing_Deal said:
Colbert’s jokes were funny but they cut a little too close to the bone of conservative hypocrisy.

Yes, that’s why the Dem Hoyer is blasting Colbert.

Rolls eyes.

notsofast said:
Wow!

There is a Dem adult in the House.

Which one?

CosmosDan said:
The problem is we don’t necessarily want to go backwards where there are more jobs in which people can barely scrape offering no benefits. That’s where we came from.

And look at what we’ve come to. Every man, woman, and child in America shouldered with a forty four thousand dollar debt, and the middle class forced to support the stupid and lazy. (like Ted)

I used to pick berries and beans when I was a kid, I could make fifteen or twenty bucks a day, and back then, for a twelve or thirteen year old kid, it was great. These days, I look in the fields as I drive by, and there’s no way I would have let my own kids do that. You can’t convince me that real Americans won’t do those jobs. They used to.

Mr.Papshmer said:
and there’s no way I would have let my own kids do that. You can’t convince me that real Americans won’t do those jobs

Do you listen to yourself?
No way I’ll let my kids do it, but you can’t convince me that Real Americans won’t do it?

I’m not “embarrassed” that liberals such as Bill Gates are wealthy (tops in the nation, btw). They earned it with smarts and good business savvy.

But you should be embarrassed that GOP billionaires do not give as generously to charity as liberals do (see the Walton family).

Gates is literally saving the lives of millions in Africa and elsewhere via his Gates Foundation.

As Sam Walton explained in his 1992 autobiography, Made in America, he didn’t believe in giving “any undeserving stranger a free ride.” Nor did he believe in being generous with company profits. “We feel very strongly,” he wrote, “that Wal-Mart really is not, and should not be, in the charity business.” Money that Wal-Mart donated to charity, he reasoned, would only come out of the pockets of “either our shareholders or our customers.”

How many billions do you need?

Rob, Jim and Alice–as well as Walton’s late son John’s widow, Christy, should hang their greedy Republican heads in shame.

But they are good Christians, right?

Greedy GOP Christians.

right-is-wrong said:
Do you listen to yourself?
No way I’ll let my kids do it, but you can’t convince me that Real Americans won’t do it?

Looks like it went over your head, so I’ll ‘splain it to you. We’re currently inundated with an illegal workforce. If we weren’t, Americans would not have a problem doing those jobs. When I was a kid and picked berries, the fields were filled with kids picking berries. These days they’re filled with illegal adults.

Sorry this was tough for you, I guess I just presumed that most people are intelligent enough to break it down, but I forgot about the libs and progressives here.

Paul Westlake said:
The corporate takeover of the workforce in nearly every sector has devastated the middle class and only a return to a living wage economy, across the board, will set the conditions for a rebound.

Oh, if only we could go back to the days when people didn’t have corporations to work for! If only everyone could work for the government instead.

Management only.

Yeah, like assistant manager for the night shift. Not exactly a corporate titan, that. And, the vast majority of them work for small businesses, so many of which have a McDonald’s sign.

We’ve spent 30 years replacing living wage manufacturing jobs with low wage service jobs, while simultaneously breaking private sector unions and rolling back wage gains in raw materials production, from agriculture to mining.

You’ll have to show me some data on those wage rollbacks over the last 30 years. As for sending jobs overseas, how can that be when the evil corporations are just abusing workers willy nilly since their nefarious takeover?

But most of the Midwest and plains States are practically wholly-owned subsidiaries of big agribusiness. I would be ecstatic if American agriculture returned to the type of farming you described.

Then you’d be ecstatic if the government hadn’t manipulated and regulated the agricultural sector into what it is today. Imagine if they’d just left people alone to farm and to sell their products wherever they damned well please at the price they wanted to charge.

The “efficiencies” created by massive agribusiness are neither efficient, nor healthy, nor economically productive.

If that were the case, they wouldn’t be doing them. Big business watches the bottom line.

Illegal immigrants are a very teeny, tiny part of that overall picture. They’re really the last issue that needs to be addressed.

So, Colbert’s Congressional clown show was rather pointless after all.

shootfromthehip said:
As Sam Walton explained in his 1992 autobiography, Made in America, he didn’t believe in giving “any undeserving stranger a free ride.”

I see zero wrong with Walton’s comment. What part of it do you have a problem with?

shootfromthehip said:
How many billions do you need?

No one’s business but the billionaire. Certainly not yours. Sure, it sounds great to stick it to the man, but most people would not want to live in a world where an oligarchy decides for you what you can do with your own money.

shootfromthehip said:
How many billions do you need?

Rob, Jim and Alice–as well as Walton’s late son John’s widow, Christy, should hang their greedy Republican heads in shame.

But they are good Christians, right?

Those bastards!

You should come join us here on Planet Earth sometime, shoot.

Mr.Papshmer said:
Looks like it went over your head, so I’ll ’splain it to you. We’re currently inundated with an illegal workforce. If we weren’t, Americans would not have a problem doing those jobs. When I was a kid and picked berries, the fields were filled with kids picking berries. These days they’re filled with illegal adults.

Sorry this was tough for you, I guess I just presumed that most people are intelligent enough to break it down, but I forgot about the libs and progressives here.

Well maybe that’s what you thought was in that little pea brain, but you said

Mr.Papshmer said:
These days, I look in the fields as I drive by, and there’s no way I would have let my own kids do that. You can’t convince me that real Americans won’t do those jobs.

I can read – Me thinks you don’t think

That’s cool, you’d like to waste time with word games, which means there’s no substance there. Sorry to hear that, son. Later…

Pablo said:
Then you’d be ecstatic if the government hadn’t manipulated and regulated the agricultural sector into what it is today. Imagine if they’d just left people alone to farm and to sell their products wherever they damned well please at the price they wanted to charge.

Not sure if we agree here.
If Government had stayed out of it, big business would still be there, but the “Farmer” and his kids would long be finding new lines of work, instead of being paid EXTREMELY well NOT to farm.
I know several VERY WEALTHY kids who had to do nothing with empty fields.

Mr.Papshmer said:
Looks like it went over your head, so I’ll ’splain it to you. We’re currently inundated with an illegal workforce. If we weren’t, Americans would not have a problem doing those jobs. When I was a kid and picked berries, the fields were filled with kids picking berries. These days they’re filled with illegal adults.

Sorry this was tough for you, I guess I just presumed that most people are intelligent enough to break it down, but I forgot about the libs and progressives here.

OK – still do not agree

For most of the 2000′s we had record unemployment, and more illegals.

Mr.Papshmer said:
That’s cool, you’d like to waste time with word games, which means there’s no substance there. Sorry to hear that, son. Later…

I believe you stated (after ridiculing) that these are not personal, and we will go to bed and wake up tomorrow and do it again????

Sorry to have stuck a NERVE

Steny got something right for a change – shocker!!!

As for the person on this board who quoted Ezra Klein, I laugh out loud. The king of journolist, who pushed his own meme’s and colluded with one party? That Ezra? HAHA. he is never to be trusted, made up shit and spread the lies by pushing talking points out across the nets.\

I see there is still no Coates story on mediaite – once again, showing that the mission statement of mediaite is just black print on a white background.

shootfromthehip said:
Gates is literally saving the lives of millions in Africa and elsewhere via his Gates Foundation.

I know about what Gates is doing-I don’t know anything about the Walton family except that I don’t like WalMart. To me it is an outlet for cheap Chinese goods that hurt the American economy.

BTW, I hope Gates is around to provide clothing, housing, education, and jobs for all the children he is saving. In a world that is already severely overpopulated, they’re going to need more then just a vaccine.

right-is-wrong said:
For most of the 2000’s we had record unemployment, and more illegals.

Um, no we didn’t.

Pablo said:
Oh, if only we could go back to the days when people didn’t have corporations to work for! If only everyone could work for the government instead.

Oh, so you don’t want to have a serious discussion.

Pablo said:
Yeah, like assistant manager for the night shift. Not exactly a corporate titan, that. And, the vast majority of them work for small businesses, so many of which have a McDonald’s sign.

Franchises are technically small biz, but they operate within strict corporate limitations, and those asst managers may have dental, but they’re also getting like $24k, not exactly a living wage even at that level.

Pablo said:
You’ll have to show me some data on those wage rollbacks over the last 30 years. As for sending jobs overseas, how can that be when the evil corporations are just abusing workers willy nilly since their nefarious takeover?

Liz?

Elizabeth Warren, the Harvard University professor who was named by President Obama to set up the Treasury Department’s new Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, said that the problems facing the middle class do not invite quick fixes.

“We have to remember that we have a problem in the middle class that didn’t just start in the fall of 2008,” Warren said on CBS’ “The Early Show” this morning.

“We have a problem that’s been underway for 30 years, of squeezing, chipping, hitting on the middle class – flat wages, rising core expenses. Families reached a point where they really couldn’t save, they turned to credit, and the credit industry has drained billions of dollars out of their pockets. So, it’s going to take time to rebuild the middle class, and that really is part of the problem here.”

You know, I didn’t even know she was on The Early Show. It’s just one of those things that people who have been alive AND paying attention for more than ten years kinda know. ;-)

Pablo said:
Then you’d be ecstatic if the government hadn’t manipulated and regulated the agricultural sector into what it is today. Imagine if they’d just left people alone to farm and to sell their products wherever they damned well please at the price they wanted to charge.

Yes, I would. Starting in the early 80s, corporate neo-con ideology took over, and has dominated American agriculture ever since, and the destruction of the family farm is just one of the many terrible results. The infusion of high fructose corn syrup in the American food diet, from ice cream to ordinary loaves of bread, is a direct subsidy to companies like ADM, as well as major contributor to obesity in America, and the rising health care costs associated with that trend (mice given the same dose of HFCS gained three times the fat, or more, as mice given ordinary refined sugar). And that’s just one example of the ills associated with corporate agribusiness. Yes, I’d be overjoyed if “Right to Farm” had never come down the pike.

Pablo said:
If that were the case, they wouldn’t be doing them. Big business watches the bottom line.

Yes, it watches the bottom line, not health, safety, quality, or anything that would compete with their control of their market share, whether it’s good for society and the economy or not. They have a singular mission – profit. America and the whiny Americans inside can go fuck themselves for all they care. As long as the money flows.

Pablo said:
So, Colbert’s Congressional clown show was rather pointless after all.

Not to the exploited workers it wasn’t. And even though it’s the last problem to address as far as root causes of the imbalance in American agriculture, it’s still a very important indicator of how bad the problem is.

So listen, thanks for the condescending attitude and all but I’m pretty confident of where I stand on this issue, and you’re clearly entrenched in your “anything liberals say is bad” mentality, so I think we’re done here.

Thanks.

And here we have the perfect example of Republican greed.

“As Sam Walton explained in his 1992 autobiography, Made in America, he didn’t believe in giving “any undeserving stranger a free ride.”

Mr.Papshmer said:

“I see zero wrong with Walton’s comment. What part of it do you have a problem with?”

I don’t have any problem with that, except for you have to wonder what the fuck is wrong with someone who literally had an extra 30 BILLION dollar before he died that could have literally CHANGED THE WORLD. He could have donated it to a museum, science to cure a disease, the state of Israel to grow trees….hell, anything. But instead he stuck it in the bank and then gave it to his spoiled kids.

Fucking pathetic greedy Republican.

You can’t spend it all and you can’t take it with you when you die. Sure, keep $5 billion, but why not save lives and try and improve America or the world that allowed you to prosper while you lived on it?

“oligarchy decides for you what you can do with your own money.”

NO ONE is telling you what to do with your precious money, you shallow Rethugs, but you can’t stop me from shaming you and shining a spotlight on your greed while also shining a light on the generosity of wealthy Liberals who are LITERALLY SAVING LIVES AND MAKING THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE.

Meanwhile, the Waltons just sit on a fat pile of cash that they could never spend all of in a lifetime.

Mr.Papshmer said:
And look at what we’ve come to. Every man, woman, and child in America shouldered with a forty four thousand dollar debt, and the middle class forced to support the stupid and lazy. (like Ted)

I really understand the feeling that I find in a lot of conservatives that welfare enables laziness. It’s not without it’s element of truth. I think if you look at the numbers you’ll see that our biggest money issues is not welfare. We are a living changing society and we get to examine and improve programs that aren’t working. I favor workfare over welfare. to weed out people who abuse the system. I like to live in a society that helps those in need but I know enough about human nature to understand we need to require something of people. One thing we need more of are jobs that pay a decent wage and a refocus of priorities.

I used to pick berries and beans when I was a kid, I could make fifteen or twenty bucks a day, and back then, for a twelve or thirteen year old kid, it was great. These days, I look in the fields as I drive by, and there’s no way I would have let my own kids do that. You can’t convince me that real Americans won’t do those jobs. They used to.

I grew up a rural area and worked on the hay wagon, in the chicken house, in the orchard and the potato fields. I know what you mean. I do think that Americans in general are spoiled and need to rethink our priorities but I don’t think that translates into dumping all our safety nets for people in need.

shootfromthehip said:
And here we have the perfect example of Republican greed.

“As Sam Walton explained in his 1992 autobiography, Made in America, he didn’t believe in giving “any undeserving stranger a free ride.”

Mr.Papshmer said:

“I see zero wrong with Walton’s comment. What part of it do you have a problem with?”

I don’t have any problem with that, except for you have to wonder what the fuck is wrong with someone who literally had an extra 30 BILLION dollar before he died that could have literally CHANGED THE WORLD. He could have donated it to a museum, science to cure a disease, the state of Israel to grow trees….hell, anything. But instead he stuck it in the bank and then gave it to his spoiled kids.

Fucking pathetic greedy Republican.

You can’t spend it all and you can’t take it with you when you die. Sure, keep $5 billion, but why not save lives and try and improve America or the world that allowed you to prosper while you lived on it?

“oligarchy decides for you what you can do with your own money.”

NO ONE is telling you what to do with your precious money, you shallow Rethugs, but you can’t stop me from shaming you and shining a spotlight on your greed while also shining a light on the generosity of wealthy Liberals who are LITERALLY SAVING LIVES AND MAKING THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE.

Meanwhile, the Waltons just sit on a fat pile of cash that they could never spend all of in a lifetime.

I don’t have a problem with what Walton said. He’s not saying he wouldn’t help someone by giving them the opportunity to work. He’s saying he doesn’t support a free ride, such as not working when you’re able and letting taxpayers foot your bills. Believe me, it happens. He’s also saying the company , the business, is not in the charity business. He’s not saying individuals shouldn’t give to charity. I think WalMArt has strayed from the formula Sam had in buying so much from other countries rather than keeping Americans working by buying American product. I happen to think, in my ignorant manner, that the stock market is part of the problem by setting bad standards. Short term profit margin goals encourages a manipulation of the numbers rather than a slower sustainable growth and a little more of that money given to entry level jobs.

Pablo said:
Let’s just make everything free! Yay!

I don’t see how this kind of extremism relates to or helps the discussion at all.

I’ve been in the workforce for more than a couple decades now and I’ve seen the job market change. IMHO average folks who work a regular 40 to 50 hour a week job ought to be able to have a decent life with available health care and education for their kids. When the very basics start becoming out of reach for people working full time jobs we’ve allowed our economic structure to get out of balance.

Hey Dan, i think you are missing my point.

True, Walton was “not saying individuals shouldn’t give to charity.”

Problem is, he didn’t give a lot away.

Great men lead by example.

Bill Gates is a great man.

Sam Walton was not.

Paul Westlake said:
Franchises are technically small biz, but they operate within strict corporate limitations, and those asst managers may have dental, but they’re also getting like $24k, not exactly a living wage even at that level.

Go higher. You don’t think a young adult can live on that? Sure they can.

“We have to remember that we have a problem in the middle class that didn’t just start in the fall of 2008,” Warren said on CBS’ “The Early Show” this morning.

“We have a problem that’s been underway for 30 years, of squeezing, chipping, hitting on the middle class – flat wages, rising core expenses.

Flat spots in wage growth is not wage rollbacks, and Liz Warren yakking on the TeeVee is not data.

Yes, I would. Starting in the early 80s, corporate neo-con ideology took over, and has dominated American agriculture ever since, and the destruction of the family farm is just one of the many terrible results. The infusion of high fructose corn syrup in the American food diet, from ice cream to ordinary loaves of bread, is a direct subsidy to companies like ADM, as well as major contributor to obesity in America, and the rising health care costs associated with that trend (mice given the same dose of HFCS gained three times the fat, or more, as mice given ordinary refined sugar). And that’s just one example of the ills associated with corporate agribusiness.

And how did HFCS get off the ground? It’s a long story that starts well before the 1980′s. But the short version is that the government had a bad habit of screwing with sugar prices, and we’re paying for it in myriad ways.

Yes, I’d be overjoyed if “Right to Farm” had never come down the pike.

Quelle horror!

Yes, it watches the bottom line, not health, safety, quality, or anything that would compete with their control of their market share, whether it’s good for society and the economy or not.

So that’s why were all driving Trabants and eating moldy cheese! Do you have any idea how silly that statement is? Businesses that piss their customers off lose them. Business that make money employ people and pay taxes, all of which is a plus for society and the economy. If it really bothers you so, perhaps you should shut of your corporate internet connection and go be Amish or maybe Cuban.

Not to the exploited workers it wasn’t.

Perhaps you can explain how it wasn’t an embarrassment to Steny Hoyer and John Conyers.

CosmosDan said:
I don’t see how this kind of extremism relates to or helps the discussion at all.

That’s called sarcasm, Dan. And I don’t expect to get anywhere conversing with you.

shootfromthehip said:
NO ONE is telling you what to do with your precious money, you shallow Rethugs, but you can’t stop me from shaming you and shining a spotlight on your greed while also shining a light on the generosity of wealthy Liberals who are LITERALLY SAVING LIVES AND MAKING THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE.

Ahem. Try shining your spotlight over here.

Your logic is warped.

Walton=bad=all Republican’s=greed

Gates=good=Liberals=Patron Saints.

Hasn’t it been pointed out repeatedly what hypocrites rich Liberal Democrats are when it comes to charity? But, do keep painting with that vague Sam Walton brush….. It’s very convincing.

Hell, look at Obama and his extended family for a recent example. The guy has Millions and he can’t spare some change for his brother? His aunt is an illegal living on welfare and disability? Seriously?

And you are lecturing others on charity?

Fuck off.

Mr B said:
Hell, look at Obama and his extended family for a recent example. The guy has Millions and he can’t spare some change for his brother? His aunt is an illegal living on welfare and disability? Seriously?

And you are lecturing others on charity?

Charity begins at home in Washington.

More on those awful Waltons:

Wal-Mart heirs pour riches into education reform

Wal-Mart’s founders transformed U.S. business. Now they are taking on a very different subject: the nation’s public schools. The Waltons — the USA’s richest family — have quietly become top philanthropists in education reform, including controversial charter-school and school-voucher causes.

Wal-Mart widow leaves shares for charity

The family of Wal-Mart founder Sam Walton said Tuesday that a “significant portion” of his widow’s stake in the company will pass to charity over a period of years.

Pablo said:
Go higher. You don’t think a young adult can live on that? Sure they can.

Pablo said:
Flat spots in wage growth is not wage rollbacks, and Liz Warren yakking on the TeeVee is not data.

You won’t take one of the nation’s foremost economic authorities but you’ll go to Answers.com. OK, rabbit.

You know, income inequality is so not new that the Census Bureau has been tracking it in a separate set of measure for many decades now. From 2000 to 2009, all brackets have lost ground, but the bottom two have lost the most:
- http://www.census.gov/hhes/www/income/data/historical/inequality/taba2.pdf

And you can stop giving me links to wikipedia and right wing websites. I haven’t insulted you with any links to HuffPo or ThinkProgress, so just cut it out, please. ;-)

Pablo said:
Businesses that piss their customers off lose them.

Tell that to TimeWarner Cable. Do you have any idea how naive you sound? Please.

Pablo said:
Perhaps you can explain how it wasn’t an embarrassment to Steny Hoyer and John Conyers.

No, I can’t, and since I’m not the chairman of the DNC, I don’t have to. ;-)

Paul Westlake said:
You won’t take one of the nation’s foremost economic authorities…

Right. The new consumer czar Obama won’t put in front of the Senate. Let’s just stipulate that we have very different ideas about who the nation’s foremost economic authorities are. No, Warren is not data. Sorry. Try harder next time. The data is out there. Find it if you’re going to argue it.

but you’ll go to Answers.com. OK, rabbit.

If you’ve got better evidence of what McDonald’s assistant managers make than a post by one of them, feel free to spike that ball. OK, bunny?

Tell that to TimeWarner Cable. Do you have any idea how naive you sound? Please.

Better you should call Verizon, and tell them how much you’d like to be talking about it over a fiber optic line connected all the way from your house to their CO. Competition works.

Oh, and Warren is a lawyer, not an economist. A Harvard Law School professor, in fact. You have a very interesting view of economic authority, but since you share it with our President, you’re in good company.

She’s an economic authority because she’s been studying, publishing and reporting to the President on these issues, and her only detractors are supply-siders who have proven themselves to be utterly wrong about everything, period. And way to skip over the proof you demanded. It’s in the link, Pablo. It’s not biased mainstream media reporting, it’s the US Census Bureau. Go ahead. Click the link, it won’t bite.

Pablo said:
If you’ve got better evidence of what McDonald’s assistant managers make than a post by one of them, feel free to spike that ball. OK, bunny?

Dude, I’ve been dunking on your ass all night. ;-)

Pablo said:
Better you should call Verizon, and tell them how much you’d like to be talking about it over a fiber optic line connected all the way from your house to their CO. Competition works.

I would have switched to Verizon Fios ages ago IF it was available in my area. I can’t even get Optimum online. I can go back to the dish, but I switched back to cable to avoid weather-related service outages. And even with all those choices, we have just enough regulation to ensure continued monopolies by all the same old companies, but not enough to ensure that they’ll actually provide a decent service. I mean, Fios may be great now, but it IS Verizon, without real competition or strong regulation, Fios WILL turn to shit eventually. Congress has been great at following the conservative regulatory regime, especially when it comes to favoring existing behemoths, erecting roadblocks to new competitors, and limiting what should be an explosion in consumer choice. And all the people the Tea Partiers believe in will do exactly more of the same. Super.

Paul Westlake said:
we have just enough regulation to ensure continued monopolies by all the same old companies, but not enough to ensure that they’ll actually provide a decent service. I mean, Fios may be great now, but it IS Verizon, without real competition or strong regulation, Fios WILL turn to shit eventually.

I know how you feel. Where I live we’ve got one cable service Sudden Link. I think Rupert Mudock of Fox must have bought it because all of a sudden there’s all these commercials for Fox News on it.

With a combined fortune of more than $100 billion, the Waltons–the immediate heirs of Wal-Mart founder Sam Walton–are the richest family in the world.

They give a comparitively PALTRY sum of their billions away compared with Gates, Warrnen Buffet and other billionaires from the let, who recently pledged to give more than half of their fortunes away to help others.

One item in the Walton Family Foundation’s most recent IRS filing shows how uninterested this family is in true social responsibility: a measly $6,000 to something called the Wal-Mart Associates in Need Fund. Contrast that with the millions the family spends promoting right-wing causes, and it becomes painfully clear that the Waltons value conservative ideology far more than they value the human beings who have made them the richest family on earth. Told about these figures, Kathleen MacDonald, a Wal-Mart candy department clerk in Aiken, South Carolina, responded bluntly, “All I have to say about that is, it doesn’t surprise me. Like Bush, they don’t have a clue what working families go through.”

Pablo said:
More on those awful Waltons:

Wal-Mart heirs pour riches into education reform

Wal-Mart widow leaves shares for charity

I would say Waltons aren’t a very good example. They don’t have a very good track record of how they treat their employees. One of those things is not providing health insurance for a good portion of its workers and telling employees to go out get public assistance.

I think he will think again on his thoughts.
http://ultragrowthwarning.com/ultra-growth-review-does-ultragrowth-hair-restore-treatment-work.html

Paul Westlake said:
She’s an economic authority because she’s been studying, publishing and reporting to the President on these issues, and her only detractors are supply-siders who have proven themselves to be utterly wrong about everything, period.

According to that logic, Glenn Beck is one of the nations foremost authorities on history. She’s a lawyer, not an economist, period. You’re wrong about everything plus infinity! (Boy, assertion instead of argument is lots of fun.)

Paul Westlake said:
And way to skip over the proof you demanded. It’s in the link, Pablo. It’s not biased mainstream media reporting, it’s the US Census Bureau. Go ahead. Click the link, it won’t bite.

You were talking about wage rollbacks. That’s an income inequality table. That is not the wage data you need to support your argument. Try again.

Dude, I’ve been dunking on your ass all night. ;-)

A faceplant is not a dunk, Paul. I see you don’t have an actual argument on the point, but if it makes you feel better to declare victory anyway, well, feeling are very important. You do what ya gotta do, Bunny.

I would have switched to Verizon Fios ages ago IF it was available in my area. I can’t even get Optimum online. I can go back to the dish, but I switched back to cable to avoid weather-related service outages. And even with all those choices…

…you’re still a slave to teh eeeevil Time Warner! Just pull the plug, Paul. You can do it.

Yoda002 said:
I would say Waltons aren’t a very good example. They don’t have a very good track record of how they treat their employees.

And yet they have more employees than anyone in America but the Federal government.

shootfromthehip said:
They give a comparitively PALTRY sum of their billions away compared with Gates, Warrnen Buffet and other billionaires from the let, who recently pledged to give more than half of their fortunes away to help others.

What is that sum, shoot? Please tell us so we can compare.

Pablo said:
Um, no we didn’t.

got me

but i was not aware we had an illegal alien problem in the 1950′s

right-is-wrong said:
got me

but i was not aware we had an illegal alien problem in the 1950’s

And I’m pretty sure most people would agree that most of the unemployment during the 2000′s were in no hurry to find 1

shootfromthehip said:
“And when you travel the world do those people tell you what a dofus you are you bad mouthing your country?” No, RichS, I tell them America is still a great country. But we are fighting with one hand tied behind our back. We have the Republicans who seek to drag America back to the stone age and the Democrats who are trying to move America forward into the 21st century, via progressive policies and smart government. I am not “bad mouthing” the country you simple minded fool, I am bad mouthing a narrow sliver of rich men (Rethuglicans) who seek to turn this great country into a fascist theocracy by mobilizing an army of Fox news watching retards who will do and repeat whatever the teeeee veeee tells them to, even if it goes against the population’s best interest.

From the way you write, shotinthefoot is a better name for you. I’m sure whoever you are talking to abroad has had quite a few good laughs both to your face and behind your back.

shootfromthehip said:
And here we have the perfect example of Republican greed. “As Sam Walton explained in his 1992 autobiography, Made in America, he didn’t believe in giving “any undeserving stranger a free ride.” Mr.Papshmer said: “I see zero wrong with Walton’s comment. What part of it do you have a problem with?” I don’t have any problem with that, except for you have to wonder what the fuck is wrong with someone who literally had an extra 30 BILLION dollar before he died that could have literally CHANGED THE WORLD. He could have donated it to a museum, science to cure a disease, the state of Israel to grow trees….hell, anything. But instead he stuck it in the bank and then gave it to his spoiled kids. Fucking pathetic greedy Republican. You can’t spend it all and you can’t take it with you when you die. Sure, keep $5 billion, but why not save lives and try and improve America or the world that allowed you to prosper while you lived on it? “oligarchy decides for you what you can do with your own money.” NO ONE is telling you what to do with your precious money, you shallow Rethugs, but you can’t stop me from shaming you and shining a spotlight on your greed while also shining a light on the generosity of wealthy Liberals who are LITERALLY SAVING LIVES AND MAKING THE WORLD A BETTER PLACE. Meanwhile, the Waltons just sit on a fat pile of cash that they could never spend all of in a lifetime.

I bet you would have loved to put him in a gulag!

shoot is right. We should do like Castro did. If those rich fat cats won’t share their money, we’ll take it!

Pablo said:
According to that logic, Glenn Beck is one of the nations foremost authorities on history. She’s a lawyer, not an economist, period. You’re wrong about everything plus infinity! (Boy, assertion instead of argument is lots of fun.)

You were talking about wage rollbacks. That’s an income inequality table. That is not the wage data you need to support your argument. Try again.

A faceplant is not a dunk, Paul. I see you don’t have an actual argument on the point, but if it makes you feel better to declare victory anyway, well, feeling are very important. You do what ya gotta do, Bunny.

…you’re still a slave to teh eeeevil Time Warner! Just pull the plug, Paul. You can do it.

I’m not going to go find each anecdotal incidence of wages being lower, you can see it in black and white right there, and in countless other studies that are easily accessible across the internet. You want to stick your head in the sand and wave the neo-cons through. Have at it. But don’t pretend it’s based on anything but pure juvenile pique. Wah! We lost ! Wah! We wanna win! Wah!

Yes, it’s only about my narrow personal interest, THAT’S why I brought up TimeWarner. Meanwhile, you and your selfish buddies only give a rats ass about your own personal tax rate, let everything else go to shit. Real civic champion you are.

And you started with the victory laps, I just pointed out that it was declasse when you’re on the losing side.

I can torch your strawman arguments all day but I’m not doing your homework for you. Get an education, do some fucking reading for a change, and then come back to me. Glen Beck! What a pompous ass you are.

writer said:
shoot is right. We should do like Castro did. If those rich fat cats won’t share their money, we’ll take it!

Yep, that really worked out well for Cuba, didn’t it. Ask Fidel, er, no, I guess its time for the left to bad mouth him since he said communism didn’t work out for Cuba!

RichS said:
From the way you write, shotinthefoot is a better name for you. I’m sure whoever you are talking to abroad has had quite a few good laughs both to your face and behind your back.

Stop projecting – you’re getting your psyche all over the tiles.

RichS said:
I bet you would have loved to put him in a gulag!

Ooh, Stalin reference… spooky!

Douche

shootfromthehip said:
Hey Dan, i think you are missing my point.

True, Walton was “not saying individuals shouldn’t give to charity.”

Problem is, he didn’t give a lot away.

Great men lead by example.

Bill Gates is a great man.

Sam Walton was not.

You’re welcome to your opinion but it seems pretty superficial.

Actual dollars given to charity is only one small measure, especially when you have so much to give. Microsoft was constantly under attack from for unfair, bordering on illegal business practices.

People who build a business are making a huge contribution simply by building the business. I think Wal Mart’s vision changed when Sam’s original one of an American business buying American products.

It was ridiculous and silly and demeaning. But then so are the people whom he addressed. But it all hilites the level of the Murcuhn intellect.

Paul Westlake said:
I’m not going to go find each anecdotal incidence of wages being lower, you can see it in black and white right there, and in countless other studies that are easily accessible across the internet.

You mean you’re not going to find any data to support your claim.

Yes, it’s only about my narrow personal interest, THAT’S why I brought up TimeWarner. Meanwhile, you and your selfish buddies only give a rats ass about your own personal tax rate, let everything else go to shit. Real civic champion you are.

Oh, yeah? Well, you’re a big old poopyhead and you hate everybody! Grow the fuck up, Paul. Have an argument or don’t. But don’t pretend to have one. It looks really silly.

I can torch your strawman arguments all day but I’m not doing your homework for you. Get an education, do some fucking reading for a change, and then come back to me.

Here’s a little project you just might be able to handle: Review this thread and count the number of times I’ve linked to support for my argument. Than count the number of times you’ve done it correctly. Compare the two. Then think for a while on that.

Pablo said:
Review this thread and count the number of times I’ve linked to support for my argument. Than count the number of times you’ve done it correctly. Compare the two. Then think for a while on that.

Oh man.
I didn’t know there was gonna be a test.
I wish someone would have told me before that last beer.

Pablo said:
Review this thread and count the number of times I’ve linked to support for my argument. Than count the number of times you’ve done it correctly. Compare the two. Then think for a while on that.

OK, I win. Seriously. You linked to news articles that simply restate your point, and Answers.com. I linked to the US Census Bureau. I win. Thanks for playing. Bye now.

Steny Hoyer: Stephen Colbert’s Testimony “Was Not Appropriate”

I missed the so-called “testimony” but if Hoyer says it was inappropriate, it must have revealed some truthes inconvenient to the Deficraps.

Shorter Hoyer: I forgot how to take the fight to the other side… but damn you Colbert for stealing my thunder!