The po-lice enforcing the LAW ! What next ?

Obama will accuse them of “acting stupidly”.

Well, it’s nice to see we’re addressing serious crime. The blemish was something akin to a parking ticket? 10 Minutes over the allotted time on the meter? Maybe, 20 Minutes! This is worthy of the FBI.

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“The officers appear professional albeit stern”

Too stern. The next time they should serve her coffee and donuts and say “pretty please”.

Cue the “this is racism……” in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1…

Azarkhan said:
“The officers appear professional albeit stern” Too stern. The next time they should serve her coffee and donuts and say “pretty please”.

I’ve never known a police officer to give away a donut.

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More Liberty said:
Cue the “this is racism……” in 5, 4, 3, 2, 1…

Maybe, xenophobia, but not outright racism I should think.

In any event. this doesn’t strike me as the unConstitutional as applied incident. That will likely come over the weekend.

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It’s too bad they go to great pains to identify the policemen involved and not the woman. If she provided her driver’s license, I’m unsure what the basis is for reasonable doubt of her citizenship. It would really be nice if there were some facts here. Either way, it’s clear that the AZ police force better be prepared for a lot of people trying to trick them into thinking they’re riding dirty.

Here we go!

Good news. As these videos grow in number and become viral, we will hopefully see more people realizing how ridiculous and un-American this law is. He didn’t want to wait for the lawyer. Wow. If that person wasn’t a Latina or Latino none of this would have happened, and if it did at least initiate, they would have extended common courtesy and waited for the lawyer to arrive.

Similar circumstances will inevitably befall legal citizens as well (this poor woman may well be one, I don’t know).

Welcome to the New Right. Jesus Christ, what is happening to my country?

Note: It is very difficult to convict someone in court based solely on an eye-witness. They are just not reliable and generally can be proved wrong by the facts.

So to you “Racist” lefties…don’t get your panties in a wad over this! (Just look at what that “Racist” Some-Dude wrote above. I have proven my point!)

The Real Royal King said:
I’ve never known a police officer to give away a donut.

Fox – Number 1 in Cable News

I bet you know how officers can put on cuff’s!

Some_Dude said:
Here we go!

Good news. As these videos grow in number and become viral, we will hopefully see more people realizing how ridiculous and un-American this law is. He didn’t want to wait for the lawyer. Wow. If that person wasn’t a Latina or Latino none of this would have happened, and if it did at least initiate, they would have extended common courtesy and waited for the lawyer to arrive.

Similar circumstances will inevitably befall legal citizens as well (this poor woman may well be one, I don’t know).

Welcome to the New Right. Jesus Christ, what is happening to my country?

I wasn’t aware that police ever wait for someone’s lawyer at the scene…

The Real Royal King said:
Well, it’s nice to see we’re addressing serious crime. The blemish was something akin to a parking ticket? 10 Minutes over the allotted time on the meter? Maybe, 20 Minutes! This is worthy of the FBI.

It sucks to be an illegal alien, doesn’t it?

BatBoy said:
I bet you know how officers can put on cuff’s!

The only time I was ever hauled in, after the service at a Peace Rally in Louisville, I wasn’t cuffed and was never even booked. This was apparently meant to demonstrate to us the state of Kentuck’ys opposition to peace, but I already knew that. I don’t actually think I have ever seen anyone being cuffed. I have seen people being uncuffed in conference rooms and in courtrooms when I was JAG. That’s interesting. I never realized I had never seen anyone being cuffed. Thanks for provoking that.

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VegasRudy said:
It sucks to be an illegal alien, doesn’t it?

Yes, it does. we effectively invite these people over, exploit them and then discard them when it is convenient to pander to xenophones. But, we haven’t identified her as an illegal alien yet, have we? She may be, but I am fairly certain, in fact, I know beyond a shadow of doubt, that unConsitutional as applied situations are being sowed. In the nature of a speed trap or a prostitute and John sting, but reversed.

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atreyue said:
I wasn’t aware that police ever wait for someone’s lawyer at the scene…

I’ve been detained a few times, it happens. They waited for my lawyer (virginia, perhaps our law enforcement officials are just more professional?)

It starts somewhere.

I was a legal alien that had to constantly show my Green Card for almost 3 decades. From 1976 to 2001.

This never was an issue with me…I was from another country with my own earned identification.

The Real Royal King said: But, we haven’t identified her as an illegal alien yet, have we?

How do you think I passed through multiple international borders over my life?

I proved my citizenship.

LOL, I actually have 2 citizenships.

Some_Dude said:
I’ve been detained a few times, it happens. They waited for my lawyer (virginia, perhaps our law enforcement officials are just more professional?)

Good to know. Not that I plan on being detained at any point.

atreyue said:
Good to know. Not that I plan on being detained at any point.

You don’t have a really deep tan, do you? That could be dangerous in the present environment.

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THE HORROR!!!!!!

I have arrested many people….NEVER…did we ever wait for some lawyer to show up.

We would process them and take them to jail…the lawyers know where that is and there are rooms that can be used by them.

To be honest with you Dude…I don’t believe you, unless Virginia has an “Unarrest” law, meaning that after you have been arrested, an officer can “unarrest” you….I doubt that!

As a matter of fact, I don’t believe anyone would want that, because that makes your police officer have the power to arrest someone then judge their case and render a decision on the spot.

Dude…maybe your were in the little Hamlet of Virginia, Russia! … Just saying!

Some_Dude said:
I’ve been detained a few times, it happens. They waited for my lawyer (virginia, perhaps our law enforcement officials are just more professional?)

Apostrophe jones said:
The po-lice enforcing the LAW ! What next ?

Essentially, you have a person who is stopped for a traffic violation, who has a valid drivers license, but no “proof” of U.S. citizenship, who is hauled away. Now imagine this is an elderly white woman driving through Arizona, who is not carrying her birth certificate (as 99% of the people in the country do not), and she is stopped for a traffic violation. Do you think she is going to be hauled to jail because she can not proove she is a U.S. citizen? Most likely, not. But even if she was, is this what we want? If you do not carry your birth certificate or passport while driving through Arizona, and since a valid driver’s license or social security care does not proove citizenship, then you are arrested and brought to jail?

atreyue said:
Good to know. Not that I plan on being detained at any point.

Well, I certainly never planned on it.

- I was once blindsided by a drunk driver at 3AM and had to face the decision of joining him in jail (well, a waiting cell/drunk tank) despite my not having had a single drink that night, or waiting on my lawyer so that she could join me and insure that I went home, since I wasn’t at fault. The police officers at the scene did not have the necessary equipment, and therefore had to “take me down town” where I could be tested – after waiting for at least four hours as they admitted, for the equipment to arrive. My attorney was on retainer, she was there within an hour, no big deal.

- I was also once detained because the vehicle I was driving through Northern Virginia at the time (in transit) matched the description of some wanted felon that was seen in the area that night. I was facing spending a weekend in a holding cell, or calling a lawyer that had an agreement with mine in the area. The police officers agreed to take me with them on their lunch break and dine with them while my lawyer arrived.

But I guess you were expecting the worst? You shouldn’t, be reasonable.

Some good video on human rights abuse-

http://www.borderlandbeat.com/

the fact that she was already in the system may indicate that they already knew something about her residency status, and she knew that they knew it…

Well we sure as hell can’t have the police enforcing the law….that’s down right racist.

The Real Royal King said:
You don’t have a really deep tan, do you? That could be dangerous in the present environment.

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I’m a dark-skinned black man. Does that count?

I’ve noticed several here making claims of FACT such as the prior ticket being just for a very minor parking violation and that the woman had a valid driver’s license.

This info comes from where?

It is very difficult to make an informed comment based on the video. But, the bottom line is every time I am stopped for a traffic infraction I have to prove who I am- and I am white and a US citizen. Those who have come to the USA and not gone through the proper channels should have NO rights here and be returned to their home country immediately. If we went to Mexico from Texas we have NO rights in their country. If the federal government won’t enforce the laws then states need to take the initiative.

I think everybody agrees here that something must be done about this problem. Yes we need a solution that is more than a fence, troops, and areial drones at the border. If the crime is so bad in AZ why are thye focusing on traffic stops and run of the mill non-violent criminal illegals? You would think that any law enforcement agency, or detective worth his salt would have identitifed the first tier threats like drug dealers and white slavers and would concenrtrate their efforts on eliminating those kinds of crimes-A woman with a dodgy driving record getting carted off will not make one dent in the alleged rise in violent crime-any profesiinal criminal knows how to avoid a road check.

So how long do we have to wait for the AZ PD to actually make a substantial arrest?

You have a half dozen sherriff ‘s departments’s along the border, a dozen municipal PD, the Az Highway patrol, the Border Patrol and the best they can do is set up traffic stops alreayd inside the country?

Basically after 30 years of ignoring the problem they have no clue and now need BIG GOVERNMENT to bail them out of jam that neither CA, NV, or TEXAS are complaining about.

So they have no idea where the drug lords are who are cutting off people’s head, allegedly, but they nailed this woman.

Can anybody tell me how the AZ Police forces became such idiots?

EPIC FAIL

“I’m a dark-skinned black man. Does that count?”

only if you speak with a pronouced spanish accent or if people suspect you may have been born in Kenya.

atreyue said:
Good to know. Not that I plan on being detained at any point.

Bored Border Patrols are strange….I was accused of smuggling 1 time

valkyrie101 said:
Essentially, you have a person who is stopped for a traffic violation, who has a valid drivers license, but no “proof” of U.S. citizenship, who is hauled away. Now imagine this is an elderly white woman driving through Arizona, who is not carrying her birth certificate (as 99% of the people in the country do not), and she is stopped for a traffic violation. Do you think she is going to be hauled to jail because she can not proove she is a U.S. citizen? Most likely, not. But even if she was, is this what we want? If you do not carry your birth certificate or passport while driving through Arizona, and since a valid driver’s license or social security care does not proove citizenship, then you are arrested and brought to jail?

And that is the crux of the matter….where does the burden of proof exist?

Does the state or the individual provide their proof of identity?

If you are legal…it should never be an issue…but it does bring up some due process issues.

I have my passport and Drivers License and Tax forms.

Oh my God! Police, doing police work! WTF is our country coming to?? Oh, the horrors!

Some_Dude said:
Well, I certainly never planned on it.

But I guess you were expecting the worst? You shouldn’t, be reasonable.

Nope. I’m a Black man living in Iowa. I’ve been a victim of profiling here and in NYC, where I grew up. I can’t stop the police from pulling me over, but I certainly can do my best to be cooperative once they have. So far, it’s worked for me. I find that if I treat them with respect, they do the same to me. After all, I don’t have anything to hide. It does upset and annoy me that they might have initially pulled me over because of my race, but I accept the fact that people tend to generalize and try to remember that I could be wrong and doing some generalizing myself. I’m also sure that someone who does profile me and is wrong is less likely to do it again in the future if I comport myself well, because of the shame they will feel from their actions.

That’s all to say that I don’t jump to conclusions as to why you’ve been detained. I actually made the assumption that you must not have done anything much if they were willing to grant your request when they have no duty to oblige it. Whereas this woman seems to have tried to antagonize the police instead. Strangely, it made them less willing to work with her.

starmold said:
It is very difficult to make an informed comment based on the video. But, the bottom line is every time I am stopped for a traffic infraction I have to prove who I am- and I am white and a US citizen. Those who have come to the USA and not gone through the proper channels should have NO rights here and be returned to their home country immediately. If we went to Mexico from Texas we have NO rights in their country. If the federal government won’t enforce the laws then states need to take the initiative.

I have contrary disconfirming evidence. I’m half white, but very brown. Even so, I got pulled over because I forgot to put my updated registration stickers on my read license plates the other night.I provided an ID and apologized, the police let me go within thirty seconds.

My ex’s father is a veteran of two wars and a high wage earner in this country (he made about $400k last year). But he speaks with a Spanish accent. He was taken to jail because his passenger side rear taillight was out and he forgot his drivers licenses. Despite him actually wearing his NAVY UNIFORM AS HE HAD WAS RETURNING HOME FROM A BANQUET. He also had every other form of ID you would want, as did his natural born children.

A bad law that violates civil rights is a bad law, and it’s bleeding into other states. We, as freedom loving Americans, need to stop this.

valkyrie101 said:
Essentially, you have a person who is stopped for a traffic violation, who has a valid drivers license, but no “proof” of U.S. citizenship, who is hauled away. Now imagine this is an elderly white woman driving through Arizona, who is not carrying her birth certificate (as 99% of the people in the country do not), and she is stopped for a traffic violation. Do you think she is going to be hauled to jail because she can not proove she is a U.S. citizen? Most likely, not. But even if she was, is this what we want? If you do not carry your birth certificate or passport while driving through Arizona, and since a valid driver’s license or social security care does not proove citizenship, then you are arrested and brought to jail?

Go to Holloywood Val…you have the potential to be a great fiction writer!

Forgive my horrible grammar, iPad and all.

Some_Dude said:
I have contrary disconfirming evidence. I’m half white, but very brown. Even so, I got pulled over because I forgot to put my updated registration stickers on my read license plates the other night.I provided an ID and apologized, the police let me go within thirty seconds. My ex’s father is a veteran of two wars and a high wage earner in this country (he made about $400k last year). But he speaks with a Spanish accent. He was taken to jail because his passenger side rear taillight was out and he forgot his drivers licenses. Despite him actually wearing his NAVY UNIFORM AS HE HAD WAS RETURNING HOME FROM A BANQUET. He also had every other form of ID you would want, as did his natural born children. A bad law that violates civil rights is a bad law, and it’s bleeding into other states. We, as freedom loving Americans, need to stop this.

You need to join Val in Hollywood…not Holloywood as previously written…. (I wouldn’t want you to get lost)
Between the both of you…you can make up some stories…

Now, I am not saying that they are believable…it is just that you two can sure make they up!

“They waited for my lawyer” Some_Dude

Of course they did. Did they also give you a pillow so you could take a nap while everyone waited?

Bootleghaircut said:
I think everybody agrees here that something must be done about this problem. Yes we need a solution that is more than a fence, troops, and areial drones at the border. If the crime is so bad in AZ why are thye focusing on traffic stops and run of the mill non-violent criminal illegals? You would think that any law enforcement agency, or detective worth his salt would have identitifed the first tier threats like drug dealers and white slavers and would concenrtrate their efforts on eliminating those kinds of crimes-A woman with a dodgy driving record getting carted off will not make one dent in the alleged rise in violent crime-any profesiinal criminal knows how to avoid a road check.

So how long do we have to wait for the AZ PD to actually make a substantial arrest?

You have a half dozen sherriff ’s departments’s along the border, a dozen municipal PD, the Az Highway patrol, the Border Patrol and the best they can do is set up traffic stops alreayd inside the country?

Basically after 30 years of ignoring the problem they have no clue and now need BIG GOVERNMENT to bail them out of jam that neither CA, NV, or TEXAS are complaining about.

So they have no idea where the drug lords are who are cutting off people’s head, allegedly, but they nailed this woman.

Can anybody tell me how the AZ Police forces became such idiots?

EPIC FAIL

Maybe you think running a stop sign is no big deal, but I’ve seen people die from that kind of action. Either the police were there because that sign has been run recently and accidents resulted, or they just observed it in the regular course of their day. Either way, the police should have dealt with it. It’s not quite a Jean Valjean victimless crime when it can easily result in death. And plenty of ‘professional’ criminals get picked up in routine traffic stops. Funny how someone who flaunts major laws all the time doesn’t care much about a taillight being out.

Is this the America we want to be living in?

ESCAPE FROM ARIZONA trailer

http://www.youtube.com/user/theduderaul#p/a/u/0/PXMIX1gfNwA

“Maybe you think running a stop sign is no big deal, but I’ve seen people die from that kind of action. Either the police were there because that sign has been run recently and accidents resulted, or they just observed it in the regular course of their day. Either way, the police should have dealt with it. It’s not quite a Jean Valjean victimless crime when it can easily result in death. And plenty of ‘professional’ criminals get picked up in routine traffic stops. Funny how someone who flaunts major laws all the time doesn’t care much about a taillight being out.”

buddy, having spent a career in law enforcement let me tell you that in no uncertain terms you have no clue what you are talking about but I am going to try to help you-let’s try once again…

1. AZ has been saying they are being plauged with SERIOUS VIOLENT CRIME-if your strategy to deal with that is to set up roadblocks and hassel everyday civilians then you have already missed the point and are wasting Tax Dollars and everybody’s time while the real criminals are laughing at you.

2. COMPSTAT is the key-yes police set up roadblocks at stop signs that people run all the time; how about we apply that strategy to the border patrol function-look where the serious crimes are and set up shop.

3. Far more people are killed by violent criminals than people who run stop signs-you want to solve the big case of the astop sign runner? OK. I’ll focus on catch the real menances to public safety.

Is any of this getting through your tin foil cap?

Bootleghaircut said:
“Maybe you think running a stop sign is no big deal, but I’ve seen people die from that kind of action. Either the police were there because that sign has been run recently and accidents resulted, or they just observed it in the regular course of their day. Either way, the police should have dealt with it. It’s not quite a Jean Valjean victimless crime when it can easily result in death. And plenty of ‘professional’ criminals get picked up in routine traffic stops. Funny how someone who flaunts major laws all the time doesn’t care much about a taillight being out.”

buddy, having spent a career in law enforcement let me tell you that in no uncertain terms you have no clue what you are talking about but I am going to try to help you-let’s try once again…

1. AZ has been saying they are being plauged with SERIOUS VIOLENT CRIME-if your strategy to deal with that is to set up roadblocks and hassel everyday civilians then you have already missed the point and are wasting Tax Dollars and everybody’s time while the real criminals are laughing at you.

2. COMPSTAT is the key-yes police set up roadblocks at stop signs that people run all the time; how about we apply that strategy to the border patrol function-look where the serious crimes are and set up shop.

3. Far more people are killed by violent criminals than people who run stop signs-you want to solve the big case of the astop sign runner? OK. I’ll focus on catch the real menances to public safety.

Is any of this getting through your tin foil cap?

1. Where does it say this woman was caught in a roadblock? Unless I missed something in that video, you seem to have created a very nice little narrative from nothing. If a police officer observes someone breaking the law, I expect them to do their jobs.

2. So all the police should be sent down to the border instead of doing their jobs in their cities?

3.Running a stop sign or red light isn’t a minor violation in my book, as it could easily result in death. I could be wrong here, but it’s not supposed to be local police’s job to maintain the border. My wife’s uncle is in the Border Patrol and lives in San Diego. I wasn’t aware he just works for a division of the city’s police dept.

It appears that I’m not the one who’s wearing a tin foil cap and looking for conspiracies. I’m pretty sure that the person who thinks the police should ignore their jobs and is maybe just a little more irrational than I am.

Bootleghaircut said:
buddy, having spent a career in law enforcement

If these are your thoughts as a supposed law enforcement professional, I can certainly understand why you mistrust the AZ police force. I wouldn’t feel comfortable with someone who thinks what you espouse ‘protecting & serving’ either.

More Liberty said:
Well we sure as hell can’t have the police enforcing the law….that’s down right racist.

So you are good with the notion that anyone driving through Arizona who is stopped for a traffic violation must prove their citizenship or be carted away?

atreyue said:
Bootleghaircut said:
buddy, having spent a career in law enforcement

If these are your thoughts as a supposed law enforcement professional,

I think that Bootie Boy, a la TRRK, has vast stores of an imaginary life’s experiences to draw on for the net.

Val, I asked you earlier where all the “facts” that you claimed came from.

Share>

“I wouldn’t feel comfortable with someone who thinks what you espouse ‘protecting & serving’ either”

Most pussies would think that so no surpise and typical of most people who have never served a day in their life but expect roses and flower when dealing with law enforcement.

” If a police officer observes someone breaking the law, I expect them to do their jobs.”

Uh, sure you do.

“3.Running a stop sign or red light isn’t a minor violation in my book, as it could easily result in death.”

Nice to see you have your priorites straight.

” I could be wrong here, but it’s not supposed to be local police’s job to maintain the border. My wife’s uncle is in the Border Patrol and lives in San Diego. I wasn’t aware he just works for a division of the city’s police dept”

If your town is on the border then you have to deal with the crime-what was that about doing the job?

’2. So all the police should be sent down to the border instead of doing their jobs in their cities?”

Try to stop being an idiot. I never said that but thanks for assuming AND putting words in my mouth. They teach you to argue like that at the gas station you work at?

” I’m pretty sure that the person who thinks the police should ignore their jobs and is maybe just a little more irrational than I am.”

You know a little reading comprehension might help you go a long way in life considering Is adi nothing of the kind but you seem to be not so bright so we’ll call it day cause not only do you not have any clue what you are talking about you seem to be missing some critical braincells.

You are dismissed; that is all.

“I think that Bootie Boy, a la TRRK, has vast stores of an imaginary life’s experiences to draw on for the net”

I am not RRK but thanks for being a stupid bitch and playing the guilt by association game.

Let’s try-I bet you’re just another asshole like Osama Bin Laden.

“Is this the America we want to be living in?” TheDudeinLA

It’s the America I want to live in. If you don’t want to live here, you can move to Mexico. Oh wait, you’re in LA–you’re already in Mexico.

Grammie said:
Val, I asked you earlier where all the “facts” that you claimed came from. Share>

Which facts are you referring to?

Bootleghaircut said:
I am not RRK but thanks for being a stupid bitch and playing the guilt by association game.

No need to defend yourself so vigorously and with such style and panache against an accusation that was never made.

For the future you might want to note that “a la” as in “a la TRRK” simply means in the manner or style of.

valkyrie101 said:
Essentially, you have a person who is stopped for a traffic violation, who has a valid drivers license, but no “proof” of U.S. citizenship, who is hauled away.

These facts, Val.

“No need to defend yourself so vigorously and with such style and panache against an accusation that was never made.

For the future you might want to note that “a la” as in “a la TRRK” simply means in the manner or style of”

For the future you might want to just fuck off. Ca Va?

Good Day Madame.

I expect law enforcement to do their jobs. Period. That job is to enforce the law. Period. How that equals roses and flowers, I’m not sure. I expect beat cops to do their jobs; and as I understand it, that is not usually breaking up crime syndicates. Maybe you think that police work is busting in to the well-known bad guy hangout and bustin’ some heads like some buddy cop flick, where the smart ‘professional criminals’ you referenced earlier know enough to avoid routine traffic stops and roadblocks, but not to make sure that violent crimes they perpetrate are done far away from where they live. I guess I’m just too much of a pussy to follow in your footsteps and abandon logic and common sense in an effort to make an ill-conceived point, tough guy.

Bootleghaircut said:
You are dismissed; that is all.

Lmao I have yet to notice these grade school ‘tactics’ proving effective, but I appreciate the effort. You really did give me a good laugh.

Ouch! Grammie strikes a nerve.

Bootleghaircut said:
For the future you might want to just fuck off. Ca Va?

And it’s so nice of you to ask how Grammie’s doing. Who said manners on the internet don’t exist?

Let’s assume for a moment: (1) the accused is a citizen (2) of Hispanic heritage and appearance (3) facing only a minor traffic incident. And, let’s assume that the trier-of-fact (not Janet Hawkins imperiously demanding facts from her perch in Florida) finds that “but-for” the woman appearing Hispanic, she would have never been stopped, would have never been asked to prove her citizenship and would have never been detained, then we would have an example of the law unConstiutional on its face also being unConstitutional in application, not presumptively, but factually, wouldn’t we? And, isn’t that the odiousness of this law? Now, none of these assumptions are necessarily true in this instance, but they could be, and as the Xenophobic Lambada reaches its orgasmic climax, it is a mathematical certainty this will happen. Does that bother anyone? Shouldn’t it bother every American?

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Grammie said:
No need to defend yourself so vigorously and with such style and panache against an accusation that was never made. For the future you might want to note that “a la” as in “a la TRRK” simply means in the manner or style of.

If that were your intent, one might think you would have written “à la” instead of “a la”. That accent grave is there for a reason, you know? I think we all ought to be as clear as possible in our posts to avoid the sort of confusion we have here.

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Grammie said:
I’ve noticed several here making claims of FACT such as the prior ticket being just for a very minor parking violation and that the woman had a valid driver’s license.

This info comes from where?

The Real Royal King says:
August 5, 2010 at 1:19 pm

So much verbiage and not one word addressed to the nature of her prior traffic citation that I asked for the source documenting your assertion.

The Real Royal King said:
she would have never been stopped

You should probably remove this, as it severely stretches credibility and makes your question more rhetorical than hypothetical. So my answer completely ignores that portion. It certainly would be odious if there wasn’t a serious and well-documented border problem. Then there would be absolutely no necessity for this law, which is not unconstitutional as written.

atreyue said:
And it’s so nice of you to ask how Grammie’s doing. Who said manners on the internet don’t exist?

Wouldn’t that be “ça va”?

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The Real Royal King said:
If that were your intent, one might think you would have written “à la” instead of “a la”. That accent grave is there for a reason, you know? I think we all ought to be as clear as possible in our posts to avoid the sort of confusion we have here.

If that is what you want to hang your hat on I certainly won’t object.

Since Arizona is 30% Hispanic, it’s a mathematical certainty that if the police were to stop everyone ‘looking’ Hispanic, they’d have time for nothing else. Good thing the law never said that in the first place.

atreyue said:
You should probably remove this, as it severely stretches credibility and makes your question more rhetorical than hypothetical. So my answer completely ignores that portion. It certainly would be odious if there wasn’t a serious and well-documented border problem. Then there would be absolutely no necessity for this law, which is not unconstitutional as written.

The only judge to rule on this so far seems to disagree with you. And, let’s remember that the xenophobes’ xenophobe, Senator Kyl, has the highest regard for this judge.

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oh good its that insufferable idiot “writer.”

Hey jacksas why don’t you share with Atreyue(he’s says he’s black) your wonderful high school experience with African Americans. I would just love to see you two bond!

Ask him if a black racism exists in penal system!

I have popcorn ready.

writer said:
Since Arizona is 30% Hispanic, it’s a mathematical certainty that if the police were to stop everyone ‘looking’ Hispanic, they’d have time for nothing else. Good thing the law never said that in the first place.

Another good reason why this is such a bad law.

Thanks.

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Bootleghaircut said:
oh good its that insufferable idiot “writer.” Hey jacksas why don’t you share with Atreyue(he’s says he’s black) your wonderful high school experience with African Americans. I would just love to see you two bond! Ask him if a black racism exists in penal system! I have popcorn ready.

That would be a fun conversation.

And, I love the word “insufferable”. There is such wide application of it in this exchange.

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Grammie said:
The Real Royal King says:August 5, 2010 at 1:19 pm So much verbiage and not one word addressed to the nature of her prior traffic citation that I asked for the source documenting your assertion.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loH5kALsj34

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writer said:
Since Arizona is 30% Hispanic, it’s a mathematical certainty that if the police were to stop everyone ‘looking’ Hispanic, they’d have time for nothing else. Good thing the law never said that in the first place.

No one ever said it did. Although it is easy for the police to stop virtually anyone on the pretense of a minor traffic violation, or loitering, or, as they do in Florida, spitting on a pubic sidewalk. The objection is that if you are white, and do not have anything more than your drivers license, and can therefore not prove that you are a US citizen, it is unlikely that they are going to haul you downtown. Will they do that with an hispanic person who likewise only has a drivers license?

The Real Royal King said:
If that were your intent, one might think you would have written “à la” instead of “a la”. That accent grave is there for a reason, you know? I think we all ought to be as clear as possible in our posts to avoid the sort of confusion we have here.

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The Real Royal King said:
Wouldn’t that be “ça va”?

Clearly, you’re just quibbling (now I can cross that word off of my list of things to do!). It’s completely acceptable on the internet to forgo accents. Even without them, the intent is in no way in doubt, as there is no alternate meaning without the grave or circonflex. I shouldn’t have to be bothered to take the extra time to add them when the meaning is plain, and plainly mistranslated by some.

King, you are aware that the law is on the net for everyone to read, aren’t you? And that people can see you’re lying when you claim it allows police to stop people for no reason other than ‘looking Mexican’ ? Or is it like most of your other claims? You simply pull it out of your ass and figure no one will check further?

The Real Royal King said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=loH5kALsj34

It is as I first thought.

It came from the files of your fevered imagination.

How typical.

“And, I love the word “insufferable”. There is such wide application of it in this exchange.”

Gracias. Like Sara Palin says; refudiate your dictionary’s liberal bias and free yourself from the tyranny of spelling, grammar, common sense, etc..

I’m with ya Palin!

Why not use that reasoning for all laws, valk? We shouldn’t have laws against robbery, because the police might abuse their authority. We shouldn’t have laws against arson, because the police might abuse their authority. Since the Arizona law never said that cops could stop people for no reason, then why the knee jerk reaction to this, as opposed to any other law?

writer said:
King, you are aware that the law is on the net for everyone to read, aren’t you? And that people can see you’re lying when you claim it allows police to stop people for no reason other than ‘looking Mexican’ ? Or is it like most of your other claims? You simply pull it out of your ass and figure no one will check further?

Which law? The unConstituional Arizona statute or the US Constitution? Since they would have to be read together and analytically, I doubt you’re reading would shed much light on the issue and would be of little value to anyone else.

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Val, don’t you owe us a citation for your earlier claims?

come on writer!!!

You don’t want to talk about high school anymore? How about the best way to identify a gang member? Surely you must be good for a few posts on that subject? Afterall you ahd just so much to say before?

Or maybe you’re being quiet because you now realize what a race baiting jerk you were being?

Let us pray that is the cae.

let us pray that is the “case”

Bootie, I realize that in your twisted world, anyone who claims that black racism exists qualifies as a ‘race baiter’. But you’re a bit off topic. King, the Arizona law you keep harping about as being unconstitutional is on the net for everyone to read. I know you always mock anyone who cuts and pastes, but we’ll forgive you if you want to cut and paste the portion of the law where it says police can stop anyone for no reason. We’ll wait.

writer said:
I know you always mock anyone who cuts and pastes, but we’ll forgive you if you want to cut and paste the portion of the law where it says police can stop anyone for no reason. We’ll wait.

No doubt it comes from the same source that documents the nature of the arrested woman’s prior offense!

awesome! keep it up…

The King must be reading through the law again. Surely he wasn’t just making things up, based on his far left wing bias.

writer said:
Why not use that reasoning for all laws, valk? We shouldn’t have laws against robbery, because the police might abuse their authority. We shouldn’t have laws against arson, because the police might abuse their authority. Since the Arizona law never said that cops could stop people for no reason, then why the knee jerk reaction to this, as opposed to any other law?

The stated reason for the law is to catch illegal Mexicans. So who are the police looking for, again, old white ladies and white men. Are they subjecting these U.S. citizens to inquiry on citizenship, including a requirement of proof? The legal Hispanic people, and the Hispanic citizens, who live at the bottom of the economic scale and earn below poverty level wages, but are citizens of our great country. Now they are forced to what, carry their passports while walking in the streets of America for fear of deportation? So again, the reason the Arizona law is unconstitutional is not because it may catch lots of illegal Mexicans, it is that it subjects citizens of the United States of Hispanic origin, or of all origins, to an oath of citizenship rendered by police in the citizens’ own country. And what are the odds that a policeman, who knows that the purpose of the law is to arrest illegal Mexicans, is going to subject white people who have no proof of citizenship on them, to an oath of citizenship. Without proof of citizenship, do you think the white people who speak perfect English are going to be taken down to the station house awaiting proof of their citizenship after a minor traffic accident? But Hispanic citizens can expect just that.

“Bootie, I realize that in your twisted world, anyone who claims that black racism exists qualifies as a ‘race baiter’”

Dear Jackass.

Of course some of that good old fashioned confusion you’re well known for it seems that it is you who still thinks I said black racism doesn’t exist. Of course you can’t point to where I said that because I never have.
Seems you’re obsession with TRRK has made you terminally stupid.

And as far a being off topic. If I had a dollar everytime a jackass like you went off a tangent I’d be rich.

“I know you always mock anyone who cuts and pastes, but we’ll forgive you if you want to cut and paste the portion of the law where it says police can stop anyone for no reason”

Technically Jackass a police-man or woman can stop your for ANY REASON so long as it comport to a little something called “probable cause” i.e. “furtive movements in vehicle.”

The issue is what i considered probable cause to ask to see somebody’s ID papers-technically ANY SUSPICIOUS BEHAVIOR.

We don’t need new laws -the AZ authorities have gotten lazy and don’t want to put in the work to solve the problem-they want your tax dollars ton serve as a stopgap for their incompetence.

Then Bootie, if you admit black racism exists, why get so bent out of shape when I say I encountered black racists where I went to school? Why is my merely saying that so upsetting to you? And since you’re relatively new here, you’d have to see some of the King’s earlier posts to realize just how stupid you are in siding with him so often.

BTW, dumb ass, Arizona enacted a new law because the feds weren’t enforcing their part of it.

“Then Bootie, if you admit black racism exists, why get so bent out of shape when I say I encountered black racists where I went to school? Why is my merely saying that so upsetting to you”

Dear Jackass-

I already explained it to you but clearly you were too busy race baiting to get it.

“And since you’re relatively new here, you’d have to see some of the King’s earlier posts to realize just how stupid you are in siding with him so often.”

I guess it must really hurt you when I agree with the king because you sure hold a grudge about it now dontcha?

“BTW, dumb ass, Arizona enacted a new law because the feds weren’t enforcing their part of it.”

I love how you just slandered the entire Border Patrol in AZ. But guess what? There wasn’t a single law enforcement agency that gave a shit about this until the GOP tried to politicize the issue. I guess you don’t recall the GOp stabbing Bush in the back like a bunch of low life coward when he tried to solve the issue.

Good job.

writer said:
BTW, dumb ass, Arizona enacted a new law because the feds weren’t enforcing their part of it.

You just stated a clear basis for the law, therefore, being unconstitutional. The enforcement of immigration law is under the jurisdiction of the Executive branch. There is no 10th Amendment state right to police a federal jurisdiction. Holder should file an action to stop that law. Wait. He did. And the essential offending parts of the law were held to be unconstitutional. And come on writer, by this time everybody knows that the Obama enforcement numbers are above the levels of the last four Presidents. Arizona has overstepped its Constitutional authority. And we know that all of this nonsense could be easily dealt with by a convened and motivated Congress, which is what Obama would love to see, though for Republicans, not before the midterms, since keeping their views a secret is the new “angle”.

Take at look at these democratic-advocacy ‘reporters’ of the so-called “mainstream media” trying to Play the Race Card with a group of Black Tea-Party reps.

http://www.breitbart.tv/reporters-take-on-black-conservatives-at-press-conference/

The Tea people put them to shame as they were flustered their Race-Card LIES were debunked, one after the other!

These are supposed ‘reporters’, yet listen to them Foam-at-the-Mouth when they can’t get their LYING RACIST SMEAR to stick!

Everyone – EXPOSE these examples of Left-Wing Bias in the “mainstream media” to all your family & friends, e-mail everyone you know NOT to BELIEVE the “mainstream media”!!!!!!
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NORBIT said:
http://www.breitbart.tv/reporters-take-on-black-conservatives-at-press-conference/

That last guy spoke a truth that far too many in this country are eager to avoid.

atreyue said:
NORBIT said:
http://www.breitbart.tv/reporters-take-on-black-conservatives-at-press-conference/

Norbit, that is a great link.

Have you submitted it to Steve Krakauer?

It seems to me that this could be just what he had in mind.

http://www.mediaite.com/online/glenn-beck-reviews-our-review-and-what-you-can-do/

Bootie, you didn’t really explain anything. If I’d said I’ve encountered mean or racist white people, you’d have no problem with it. But when I say I’ve encountered black people who are mean and racist, you hit the keyboard and start yelling ‘jackass’. Why is that? I didn’t say I hated all blacks. Just said there are some out there who are racist. And if, as you say, you yourself will admit that some blacks are racist, then again, why all the upset when I say it?

valk, Arizona accomplished one thing if nothing else. In effect they were telling the feds, if you won’t enforce the law, we will. So if, as you say, Obama is deporting more illegals than any other president, it must have worked. Of course, if Bush was still in and that was happening, the left would be calling him a xenophobic racist. But since Obama’s a liberal, we’ll just give him a thumbs up.

Valkyrie, you DUMB SHIT, that’s the problem !! Too many State and Govn’t Agencys ALLOW illegals to obtain D.L’s and S.S. cards. Hell, they just wait in line like everyone else, flash some phony birth certificate, and the ASSHOLES in charge, don’t pay any attention. And those illegals that are questioned refuse to answer without their lawyer! Yes, a lot businesses exploit illegals, but the majority do not. I fully support the AZ approach, prove you belong here or GET THE FUCK OUT !!