Andrew is of course referring to the world definition of conservatism, where it’s based on some sort of consistent political philosophy. He’s apparently unaware that in the US, conservatism means “agrees with Rush Limbaugh/Fox News”, irrespective of adherence to any consistent philosophy.

Such a twisted world this man lives in.  I don’t even know where to begin, but the fact that he given a voice in the mainstream media is crazy.  My favorite part of this particular bit of Sullivan’s insanity is his complaint that “Jon Huntsman has been ignored”!!!  LOL  You can’t make this stuff up.

“Kurtz began the interview by commenting that Sullivan had been “vitrolic” towards many conservatives lately, and asking how he reconciled that with his own politics. “Because I’m still a conservative and they are not”.

So his mindset is that if he perceives anyone not to be a conservative, his vitriolic behavior is warranted and acceptable.  Exactly the mindset of most conservatives.  Just read the comments from them on this website.  If somebody is not a conservative, they will be vitriolic toward that other person.  Like the Tea Party, Republicans have turned into a cult. Plain and simple.

Poor, poor Andy. It’s like he’s the only conservative left in America! Maybe he should go back to England where people might not laugh out loud at his claim to conservatism.

Logic is not your strong suit.

OCCUPY CONSERVATISM!!!!

This character is number 2 on the list of “Least Influential People Who Look Like Muskrats”, right after Joe Klein and ahead of Robert Reich.

The right and left change with the times. Andrew has no idea what side he is on. Andrew’s religion and politics do not match with the label or the life style he is so proud to wave around. 

Anyone who gives this Trig Truther any form of credit should be put to the clearance bin of political thought.

You’re right about that, Andy. The party left you. It should distance itself from people like you and get this country back on track. It just takes a spine, Andrew!

Andrew: If you are a conservative, you must really be in hell. Because being somewhere between the current bunch of liberal socialists and your version of “moderate conservatism” must make you love this country as much as Barry’s wife does. That truly must be hell. Just can’t figure out which side to pander to for your meal ticket is all, Andrew. Eat well while you can, little fool.

The GOPers would be wise to notice these sorts of criticisms coming from their guys (Powell, Sullivan, David Frum, etc, etc) but they have embraced blind ideology above reason for so long now that they won’t. Unfortunately for them, outside of their Fox News bubble, the rest of the country isn’t going to follow. The Republicans of the 80s, 70s, 60s, etc, etc, were all better politicians. It should be a wake-up call that Gingrich is their intellectual leader these days because he’s no intellectual and he leads wherever the money tells him to. 

I remember those republicans of old.  I can’t believe that the ones who post on here were alive in those days. 

Andrew Sullivan no afraid to discuss politics in a rational manner. 

…Sadly compromise has become a filthy/dirty word in Congress.

‘…This field is pathetic. Their own base cannot rally around their frontrunner.’ Andrew Sullivan

Sullivan’s words are blunt and unflattering, but have much merit.

Did you see the latest on Frum?

http://hotair.com/headlines/archives/2011/11/26/i-might-have-to-leave-the-party-if-it-nominates-someone-other-than-romney-or-huntsman/

Sulliver is a truther. The fact that you are defending him says more about you than it does him.

next week he’ll tell us he is heterosexual

I’m judging his words and ideas purely on the content of this discussion.

‘A Truther?’

It means nothing to me. 

It isn’t exactly up there with the both aggressively racial and gender hostile comments of some Radio/TV Shock Jocks. 

In the past 70 years name one compromise that went to the right. You leftist sissies are fully into racism and class warfare to get us even more to the left, and an idiot like yourself is so enamored with with compromise? Wow, how much farther left can we sink???

Finally a conservative speaks the unvarnished truth about today’s right.

Why does that suddenly matter or become relevant???

Another homophobe shows his colors and his big Republican Tent mentality.

…Congratulations.

Andrew Sullivan supporter Ron Paul in 2007.

Link: http://www.theatlantic.com/daily-dish/archive/2007/12/ron-paul-for-the-republican-nomination/222461/

It only means that you are willing to defend the crazies. And not just radio talk jock crazies, but full on crazy.

You can’t get below thinking that the mother of a child is indeed the actual mother of a child. Even Huff. Po. had to say that it banned trig truthers from their pages.

Hmmn…

Where exactly and specifically did I argue that?

You are deliberately trying to change the topic of Sullivan discussing his Republicanism and the current Republicans on CNN, which is a little pointless…

Because God forbid the Republicans nominate a competent man.

Congrats. You carefully posted a comment bashing this man and his opinions without actually answering him. In other words you have absolutely no arguments against him.

“Such a twisted world this man lives in”

“I don’t even know where to begin, but the fact that he given a voice in the media is crazy…”

“You can’t make this stuff up.”

You didn’t actually say anything! Impressive. You didn’t really answer, you only made it seem like you did.

Now, can you tell us in details why is it crazy to let him speak? What do you mean when you say he’s living in a twisted world? Yes you have to begin somewhere. Can you do that?

He really is a conservative. The American conservatism isn’t really conservatism.

Anything Sullivan says is null and void because he is a crazy person. Snooki offers better insights.

Like when a person disagrees with Obama the left labels them a racist. That kind of vitriol?

GOPers notice that Powell, Sullivan, and Frum are not “their” guys but the liberal media say they are so it makes them look less biased.

Independents, swing voters, and moderates, decide elections and always do. This Sullivan dude is stressing over nothing.

Actually a liberal issues his opinion about today’s right while calling himself a conservative. He was booted from The Atlantic Monthly for his Sarah Palin insanity, and now writes for the Daily Beast a left wing site.

Might as well. He says he is conservative and no one with any sense believes that.

Anything _________ says is null and void because he/she is a crazy person.

How easy it must be to live in your world.

Its what Sarah Palin would do. Don’t you know how trig sensitive she is?

Suddenly?  Sullivan makes a big issue of it and it’s off limits? Liberals just know how to name call. Homphobe and racist no longer have any meaning.

Actually, he’s not been “given” any such voice. He’s earned it, a paid a big price for doing it the way he does it. I don’t share his political philosophy, but he’s someone I can reasonably talk with about political subjects – I know because I’ve actually done it, and I’m pretty sure other readers who post comments here have as well; if you sent him something he thinks worthwhile responding to, he responds, and for the most part quite thoughtfully. I think he was oddly situated at The Atlantic Monthly, but where he is now seems perfect for what he does, or at least a lot better than anywhere else (Irony: he was a Slate, when it was a longer-piece site moving towards blogging, and now Matt Ygleisias is at Slate as Slate has moved back to being a longer-piece journalism site. What Sullivan does is not really journalism per se, but it’s about the purest form of zeitgeist political blogging there is, and that’s been so for a number of years.).

This is why Kurtz is a friggin’ cartoon.
Nobody significant on the right  would ever call that unhinged lunatic Andrew Sullivan a conservative.  The guy makes Janeane Garofalo look like Liz Cheney.
It is absurd to call him a conservative.

Sullivan is a Trig Truther publishing many speculative articles about who is the mother of Trig Palin. It borders on insane.

Sullivan is a Trig Truther publishing many speculative articles about who is the mother of Trig Palin. It borders on insane.

When someone is a trig truther, then yes.

What do you consider tommy, a blogger or a journalist?

You’re right but there’s something I don’t understand.  In the video Sullivan says essentially that Republicans should support some tax increases and that their inability to support tax increases is what makes them not conservative.  

Uh no.  Ron Paul supports NO TAXES, let alone would he support tax INCREASES!  A CONSERVative realizes that the income tax is theft and that’s how Ron Paul approaches it.  Government has a spending problem not a problem of low taxes.

Then, for Sullivan to vote for and slut around for Obama like he has for the last few years completely ruins him in my book.  What the hell is he talking about?  HE’S NOT CONSERVATIVE – he voted FOR OBAMA.

I am for Ron Paul but I did not and would never vote for Obama.  But I did not vote for McCain either.  In fact I was not able to vote.  Here in Oklahoma we only had two on the ballot.  I am glad to say I stayed home and saluted the economic downfall that awaits us.

I like this article:

http://www.thecablegame.com/?5e31bd40

We’ve had more compromise in Washington in the last 20 years than in our history.

That’s why the deficit is out of control and why the police state is growing.

And Sullivan thinks he’s so brilliant?

Go vote for Obama again Sulli and see where that gets you.

JohnJ. If you call yourself a conservaive today and tomorow you’ll vote for the senator with the most liberal voting record,  it may be posible to be gay today and bi tomorow? Food for…

actually wrong again skippy.

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2011/11/27/cnn-and-howard-kurtz-promote-andrew-sullivan-conservative

Your comment relates to what a truly bad hesaidshesaid hack Howard Kurtz is, maybe the hackiest of the hackiest (Can someone name a hackier? I wonder.) The word “vitriolic” was Kurtz’ word, but we’re all so used to, or rather the msm is so used to, Kurtz’ hackety-hack style, they don’t bother correcting it any more, because it’s more trouble than it’s worth. There’s lots of this going on in Beltway journamalism – Tweetybird Matthews is close to as bad, maybe worse because of the foaming a the mouth rants, BillOld and Hannitty, the 5, heck the majority of FNC pundits do this.

I don’t see Sullivan’s comments about ‘conservatives’ as vitriolic; I do see his comments about NEO-FASCISTS as LOOKING vitriolic, because the GOP isn’t suffering now from a surfeit of conservatism, it’s suffering from the return of the Birchers, gone since William F. Buckley tossed them out of the party after the Goldwater debacle and now returned with a vengeance as scalding as steaming tea.

This is not new to American history. You can look back to what happened in 1964; read Rick Perlstein’s books on where this all came from, not just Nixonland but Before The Storm, which I think presages what’s been going on with the GOP since the beginning of 2009 (all of which explains why McCain chose Palin, because that’s where the party was headed even then). Or you can go back 160-170 years and look at the rise and fall of the Know Nothings. Thomas Jefferson et al started the Democratic Republican party, but the Dem part died, and the Republican part re-formed under Lincoln, then re-formed again after  the Civil War into becoming the party of Wall Street and business. The Dems got revived and somewhat changed under Woodrow Wilson, but became dramatically different from Franklin Roosevelt on, and now themselves are going to have to re-form to deal with the emerging power in their ranks, the Hispanics. Meanwhile the GOP has become not just the party of Wall Street, but the party of the resentful white nativist working class (Perlstein shows in Nixonland how Nixon laid the base for that.). Both parties are in transition, the establishment in both parties is resisting but also failing. The white supremacist nativist model is dying out, and in a desperate effort to keep it empowered, Big Corp and Wall Street are bankrolling it into become the American Neo-Fascist Party. This is already quite ugly, but it’s about to get far far worse.

Hahaha. I gave up going to Huffington Post for laughs. My life has been so much better for it. :)

I wonder if Frum had his wife fact-check his article before it was written on Huff Po? As the article says:

Frum’s wife, Danielle Crittenden is currently a managing editor with HuffPost Canada.

I don’t know his rationale for voting for Obama; but Obama at one time did support pulling the troops out of Iraq, and Sullivan is an actual conservative, not a neoconservative warmonger like Bill Kristol.

Of course we now know Obama lied; over 500 servicemembers have died in Iraq since he took office.

And don’t forget to read FIRST what Frum WROTE to get attacked by Hot Air in the first place – a really, really good piece in New York magazine.

Ah yes, we hear now from the local leader of the neo-fascist party.

I don’t understand the “Truther” accusation against Sullivan at all; 9/11 turned Sullivan into a fan of GW Bush, and Truthers did not support GW Bush, they accused him of being at the top of the alleged plot.

“In the past 70 years name one compromise that went to the right.”  Huh? 

They all did.  They also went left.  That’s what made them compromises.

Conservatives conserve the environment.  Conservatives would never give the government the power to spy on the people.  Conservatives would never dream of abandoning habeas corpus. Conservatives don’t wage wars of imperialism.  Conservatives are not concerned about regulating people’s sex lives.  Conservatives don’t spend the country into crisis.

There is no such thing as a conservative Republican.  Republicans are fascists.

Robert, this is your most obnoxious character yet.

Windbag.

Care to supply evidence of this?

I will take a conservative fascist over a progresive commi any day and twice on sunday

I can’t get him to stop. Please, help me!!!!!!!

Frum’s Mother Barbara, was a well known liberal news media personality in Canada for many years.  David hasn’t been fooling anyone.  

The funny part is he thinks nobody can tell.

Sullivan pointing out the obvious – Conservatives are very confused.  The Republicant Party was hijacked by the teabaggers and it has been a mockery of a sham.  Just look at the top candidates.  Oy Vey.

Palin made a lot of questionable decisions for someone in the late stages of a high-risk pregnancy.  The fact that none of the emails she sent during the so-called “Wild Ride” make any mention of her being in labor is odd.  I’m not a Trig Truther, but I don’t think those who find all that rather curious “crazy.” 

Well….in all sincerity, many of Ron Paul’s supporters are truthers and it’s rumored that Ron Paul’s a truther and so if Sullivan liked Ron Paul, then……..

Either way, Sullivan is not a credible source for anything, except perhaps scones.

What a bozo.  He is as much a conservative as Fidel Castro.

Andrew should just give up and vote democrat  . . . and so should they all, the once were conservative crowd.  

So you’re a trig truther sympathizer, which is just plain odd.

So where are Obama’s emails as a Senator? I’d like to see those. All’s fair eh?

Hell, I’m more conservative than most of the clowns running for the Republican nomination. Snark all you want at me, but it’s true.

This guy is about as conservative as he is straight.

The right has become so right wing that moderate conservatives today are more akin to the Democrats.  They  should just man up and vote that way.  What’s a conservative to do?

Sort of like calling Colin Powell a “conservative”. 

BOTH of them, Sullivan & Powell, VOTED FOR OBAMA!

Vote for Obama like the “conservative” Sullivan and Colin Powell, then try to claim your are “conservative”.

Look, as long as they are willing to be taken by you any day and twice on sunday, who’s to object.

That man deserves all the respect in the world, not only for his battle with aids but for how he calls the extreme right-wing out for what they are and the fact he is a conservative.  Not a right-wing teabagger extreme nutjob. A conservative the Ron Reagan wouldn’t he be accected in today’s GOP.

x2 on that.

Tea Party/Republicans keep veering further to the right, but still can’t bear Mitt Romney their only electable option.

The unpalatable truth that Mr Sullivan speaks won’t go away anytime soon. No matter who screams or tries to change the laughable and inalienable clarity of the point.

Oh, Obama’s email’s and college transcripts and his real birth certificate? WCinWI2 should look where he normally hides that stuff. Over at the flat-earther society.  http://theflatearthsociety.net/wiki/index.php/Main_Page

John J., the trig truther sympathizer.

Because  McCain & Palin was the other choice.. DUH!

Andrew Sullivan has no idea what thefuck he’s talking about, and he never has. He’s never been a conservative, probably never will be. He’s never been an advocate of limited government, the cornerstone of any right-wing ideology, and he’s hostile towards natural rights. Andrew Sullivan is at most a neoconservative and is basically whining because the Republican party is becoming more right wing without his consent.

Tough shit, pal. That’s the marketplace of ideas for ya.

Tea Party/Republicans keep veering further to the right. There are still, after all so many more Presidential Debates to go, despite trying to ignore Mitt Romney. The only ‘real’ electable Republican option.
Although, there’s probably still time reclimb those arduous polls for Perry, Palin, Cain, Bachmann etc etc 

“Tea Party/Republicans keep veering further to the right, but still can’t bear Mitt Romney their only electable option.”

*LOL*

I love hearing from people who’s ideology LOST in the last election presume that they know who is and isn’t electable. Clearly you don’t know what constitutes an electable candidate or else you’d still have a majority in the House.

Ron Reagan is a whiny little sideshow act.

Ronald Reagan was an advocate of limited government who would be proud to see the country battling Progressive Big Government.

…Of course.

I knew it was only ever going to be Romney. Genius. Doesn’t change the fact that you’re a trig truther sympathizer.

‘…trig truther sympathizer?’

…Of course.

How very rational…

Spot on, Tony. Dustin said nothing. I was even confused when he denied Huntsman is being ignored. In what universe has Huntsman had his moment in the spotlight like the nuts over there have each had? At the moment, eleven others liked what Dustin said! This is the kind of thing one can’t make up. “You said nothing, and I heartily agree with you!”

All the good conservatives endorsed Obama, because John McCain wasn’t anything like those neato old Republicans of Reagan’s era. He was a crazy ideologue!

If you are an American who yearns to finally get beyond the symbolic battles of the Boomer generation and face today’s actual problems, Obama may be your man.

What does he offer? First and foremost: his face. Think of it as the most effective potential re-branding of the United States since Reagan. Such a re-branding is not trivial—it’s central to an effective war strategy.

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2007/12/goodbye-to-all-that-why-obama-matters/6445/2/?single_page=true

Say, how’s that working out for us?

face it buddy. Today’s GOP wouldnt even elect its FLAGSHIP president. Mr. Ronnie Reagan did stuff, and would do stuff AGAIN, that would make the current GOP idiots lose their minds. 
INSTEAD, this NEW GOP is chasing “reality TV” personalities and former sitcom stars.
CAIN DANCE BABY http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bs7fJ6jAOVU 

Well, from your post, my assumption is that you knew Obama would win. Perhaps you knew ANY democrat would win -the last election for president. OR.. perhaps you really felt that Mccain/Palin was a great ticket. IF that is the case.. LOL.. you deserve a CAIN DANCE http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bs7fJ6jAOVU because you arent really ready to pick a president either..OR were you one of the people out there screaming for BACHMAN.. if so, then its worse than I thought. You actually shouldnt be allowed to vote. LOL

Sullivan is a gay man obsessed with Sarah Palin’s uterus. Need proof of that?

and boy oh BOY they didnt waste their vote. Their guy won. How about your’s? How about your’s coming soon to not elected theaters near you.
GO and party with CAIN and the rest of the REALITY SHOW “GOP NOMINEE-SURVIVOR”. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bs7fJ6jAOVU 

He’s as conservative as Obama.

Why does he deserve respect for “his battle” with a disease brought on by his own unsafe behavior?

You can’t vote for Obama, get Obamacare and a guy who wants us all paying 50% in taxes and then claim SOMEONE ELSE IS NOT CONSERVATIVE ENOUGH.  It doesn’t make any sense.  I don’t know how the guy sleeps at night.  Not only did he vote for Obama, he became a full on cheerleader and political whore for him.  He turned out to be 5 times worse than Bush and he’s not done yet!

Obama is worse in degree, but not in kind.

No Fat Lib, you can’t be a conservative and NOT support the individual mandate. WE ALREADY MANDATE THAT DOCTORS MUST CARE FOR EVERYONE, REGARDLESS OF THEIR ABILITY TO PAY!

Without the individual mandate, you encourage a system rife with freeloaders, intentionally or not. Because it is MANDATED THAT DOCTORS TREAT PATIENTS, it should similarly be mandated that patients have insurance to cover the costs of their care, assuming said insurance is accessible.

“Say, how’s that working out for us?”

Compared the the collapsing shithole we were in three years ago, very well I’d say.

Why do you mention Republicans and the Tea Party as though they’re two separate entities as opposed to one just being the most loud/extreme/vocal part of the other?

You have no idea what you’re saying. But that hardly comes as a surprise to anyone who’s ever read your comments. 

You’ve “liked” posts by Stonepark3 and you’re complaining that Sullivan “defends the crazies”?

Grab the reins, lady!

Sullivan speaks for a great many disaffected Republicans who were unwilling to drink the Kool-Aid. The conservatism that most of the world recognizes — particularly in the UK and Canada, our closest allies — has little relationship with the knuckle-dragging know-nothingism of the current GOP.

“vitrolic” or vitriolic ?

just fire everyone and hire me… 

oh such ignorance on your part..  he absolutely is spot on and people like you just go bonkers if anyone dares to speak out against that cast of cartoon characters you’re all running for the 2012 nom

maybe you should go count how many times reagan raised taxes

more ignorance

so what?  you people are so uneducated on so many levels it’s pathetic

I hate to say this, but Andrew Sullivan claiming that he is anything but a Socialist asshole is a laugh.

My cousin, who is a Communist, is to the right of Andrew Sullivan.

Mr. Sullivan needs to go away and detox. Whatever drug he is taking is just not working.

Journalist more than a blogger. Once in a blue moon the Mediaite posters come down here and mix it up with the readers, but mostly not, so it’s not REALLY blogging in the full sense. What’s good about Tommy is that he brings a journalist’s approach to the blogging platform; the other posters here at Mediaite, not so much, some not at all, some have no clue how that works.

Okay, big shot: show us one single instance where Obama has ‘labelled’ anyone who ‘disagreed’ with him a racist. One example will suffice.

“Snark all you want at me, but it’s true.”

The only thing true about you is the dress your Mother made you wear to school.

And that was AFTER she discovered that you were a boy.

Who cares what YOU think: you’re role here is to snark and obstruct and to otherwise be a Republican tool, a memer. We already know you have deep-seated emotional problems with all the miscogynism and homophobia you display. Really, you’re not even any good at the job you SET for yourself, because it’s all too obvious, and you’re all too obviously a social leper.

“He who has never sinned may throw the first stone”.

“Compared the the [sic] collapsing shithole we were in three years ago, very well I’d say.”

And we are doing so well now, right?

Obama has added $5 trillion to the debt in three years.

When he took office, we had 6% unemployment. Since then, we have gone near 10%, and hover at 9%, and unofficially it is 16%.

America is a joke around the world. Nations laugh at the Marxist moron we have in the White House.

Obama has played more golf since January 2009 than Jack Nicklaus has since 1950.

And Mrs. Obama, “The Moocher,” is busy spending hundreds of thousands of dollars on opulent shopping excursions, while her husband’s economic policies have failed to do anything but blow trillions paying off Obama’s thuggish camoaign contributors and his union cronies.

Yep, Obama is doing so well. That’s why he has the lowest approval rating of any President since Jimmy Carter in November 1979.

See what’s going on here with these R memers’ folks? They keep finding ways to screw around, so that forced me to go back into the address registry system to re-register my avatar name and there I was told I could not because so OTHER posters had been using it without authorization. So then I had to re-register under an approximation to the previous name.

This is what fascism looks like folks: vandals, bullies, bullies swarming, and people not facing up to them. GD is well known to us and to Mediaite itself as a truly repulsive poster who should have been banned long ago, but I don’t give into bully tactics. G.D. is a disgusting edition of the odious beast, and it will be my distinct pleasure to deal with him here.

That’s some uuthentic frontier centrist gibberish there.

The poster above you is set up to block Reply, but he raises something that’s coming soon: the deliberate destruction by Willard Romney of all 4 years of is gubernatorial records. Imagine that. Those are officially the PROPERTY of the State of Mass., and Romney ordered them destroyed.

Obama’s “emails as a Senator” is an example of false equivalency. The email messages of an elected member of Congress are not “government records” subject to Congressional oversight, by definition. 

Come on Frances – this guy is a loon; he went after Palin’s vajaja….claiming Trig is not her son.  This guy doens’t deserve the light of day.

Stop reaching out to the fringe Frances, start reaching to the middle.

You can do it.

I think you are a pure Know Nothing. Sullivan has moved a number of times. He wasn’t “booted” from the Atlantic, he moved on because the Atlantic was going in a different direction from what he needed to support his type of blogging. He left other sites for the same sorts of reasons, expect for The New Republic, which was truly a disaster all around.

News busters is a winger meme site, a failed attempt to mimic Media Matters but aimed at the left. It’s truly winge-worthy, but apparently wingers are into self-abuse of this nature.

And like I said, he deserves more respect for speaking out about what the Conservative party has turned into  for their extreme views and hatred that President Obama.  And alse the fact that Ronald  Reagan whould be thrown out of the extreme current Republican Party today. He raised taxed and was for immigration ( which I am not. by the way)  As much as I disagreed with Reagans policies, I admired him as much for not the hatred,vitiol and the others things the GOP is out of the norm onl 

Uh … no on indys. GOTV is the single biggest factor historically, even RECENTLY historically. If you look at 2010, the split between the parties of the indy vote was 44-43 for the Rs. Moderates, if they vote, vote where they lean; the problem with moderates is they protest by not voting at all. “Swing voters”, you lose me there, I think your conflating the idea of a vote in a swing state and the person who votes … in a swing state. The concept of “swing voters” sounds like something you’ve heard before, and I wouldn’t be shocked to learn it came from some TV or radio talking head, but it still doesn’t exist: it’s registered members of some party who happen to be moderates, or its registered independents, they’re different things. Swing voters, sounds like this:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPZuHFrawz4

so, it is what it is.  It’s not aimed at the left.  It decimates the left’s stories.  

It also realizes that Sullivan is the freaking biggest loser ever.  You’re welcome to him.

Nnnnneo – it’s absurd to call the current TP-ridden Republican party conservative. Call them ideologues. Call them neo-fascists. Call them anything that’s accurate. But they’re not conservatives, that just a word they like to call themselves.

I am truly humbled. You cut to the root of me.

Also, I know you are but what am I?

And I am rubber and you are glue, so there.

“We’ve had more compromise in Washington in the last 20 years than in our history.”
Gosh, that really does have the tell-tale whiff of male bovine excrement. 

Where did you get that from? What, were you born 20 years ago or something? Show us where you get that from, or I call bull shit.

that’s laughable since the fact that Nancy Reagen herself said Ronnie would turn in his grave if he had seen what the Republican party has turned into. Second of all, Reagen raised taxes and  favored some sort of immigration . But most of all, as I have said, I disagree with 99 % of his policies but I admired the man for not having the hatred for the Democratic President.  Imagine Ronald Reagen using the hate language out of the right wing  GOP  on a continual basis.  Regean might not agree with Obama’s policies but he would respect the position again which would drive your party nuts.
  Just do me a favor, Research before you say the first things that come out of your mouth.

Well done there.

People should go back and consider why it took so long for the US to enter WWII in Europe, until the Japanese Imperial forces attacked Pearl Harbour: because Republicans in those days, and not just Republicans but also a lot of Democrats, called themselves Conservatives, and to be Conservative meant to be isolationist. Ron Paul, for example, is very much an old-timey Conservative, when to be allowed to call yourself Conservative you actually had to walk the walk and talk the talk, not just cite the brand name. 

Do you actually have the first clue of what is meant by “communist”? I very much doubt it. You should have paid more attention in school, or you should take a trip down to the library, or dive into Wikipedia for a while – not the wingosphere though, all they do is lie and conflate.

Well, I suppose we should take it from that, P, that you never fail to wrap that rascal. Isso, or isnotso?

Great rant. Wrong of course but not less thrilling to read despite the inaccuracy, bull shit and lies – and maybe even a little BECAUSE of those things. 

I call bullshit on that stuff about your cousin.

Tell us then.   Who is a conservative…?

prove it

twice as stupid? if so, I agree.

wonder hog considers obama a neocon if that tells you anything…

He “moved” in the same way your hero olbermann “moved” from msnbc, right, hog?

“The poster above you is set up to block Reply,”

Busted. How would you know?

You got nothing.  Just like the rest of the know nothings.

Liar.  Your boy Bush had a lower approval rating than Obama.  Or like every other conservative did you forget that you supported him.

 
Despite some electoral fiasco here and there (Christine O’Donnell,…), the radicalization of the GOP has been proven a hugely positive development, because it leads to a conservative superego (Über-Ich) on american politics.

The Democrats are in panic all the time.

They are so afraid to be called liberals or socialists or anti-Israel or anti-military (etc.) by their opponents that they do the same politics. They fold all the time. You may well be right : Obama will win in a landslide against Gingrich. And we could argue that Obama was and is still desperate to get bipartisan support for his policies (and that the GOP lost some opportunities to implement their ideas). But does it really matter to lose and be a minority if the center of gravity of politics is still moving to the right ? Just look at them. How pathetic they are. They are even quoting and praising Reagan now ! Ronald Reagan as a moderate !? For instance, their healthcare law was basically what Gingrich, Romney, Baker/Dole,… did (no singlepayer, no public option). Idem for the deficits and the freeze of spendings, Obama just proposed a 4 trillion plan which was at the right of Simpsons-Bowles and the gang of 6. Idem for taxes, where the Democrats have their own pledge (no new taxes for 98% of the population). And who said : ‘the era of big governement is over’ ? It was Bill Clinton. So it does not really matter to lose some folks like Frum, David Brooks, Arlen Specter,… if at the end we’re still able to win election, or if we lose, we do by creating a conservative superego on politics.
 

More nothings for the know nothings.  What does it matter that the Republican party used to represent rational conservatives that put country over party?  Seriously why does it matter that the right and left change with the times?  The only time that matters for this discussion, is the present. 

not very proud of your profile so you hide it?

Oh Sullivan, there’s no point in trying to tell conservatives they’ve gone off the deep end; they’re already so far gone that they think Limbaugh and Fox News are voices of reason.  Their insanity is going to destroy their party, and it’s a shame.

elitist?

different name
same lame responses

Sullivan belongs to the mythical, ” conservatives for koksukers” movement. He has AIDS and will die of his errors.

No – Sullivan IS the crazy.

And I like Stonepark’s comments if they’re funny. Not all are funny. Should we examine the tragic posts that you like? They would pale in comparison.

Bush’s approval was much higher than Obama’s at this point in his administration. http://www.hist.umn.edu/~ruggles/Approval.htm

It’s like Kristallnacht all over again.

That’s quite the wall you’ve built around such a puny intellect. I guess such a tiny thing is fragile and requires extreme protection from anything that might challenge it.

And you’re a disgusting, idiotic homophobe. So what’s your point? 

Sullivan is one of the smartest, most articulate and sanest writers on the political scene today. It’s not that he’s crazy; it’s that it drives the Palin apologists CRAZY that he’s accurately called her out on her vast accumulation of LIES over the last three years.

Given your sychophantic love of Palin it’s understandable why you need to deny the truth behind his comments, but that doesn’t make them any less true.

Publius219 below. says it best

Reagan raised taxes because it was his only option with a Congress dominated by tax-and-spend Democrats. Same story for Bush 41.

As Reagan explains in his autobiography, he did accept tax hikes “in return for (the Democrats’) agreement to cut spending by $280 billion,” but, Reagan continues, “the Democrats reneged on their pledge and we never got those cuts.”In 1982, Reagan struck a deal with the Democrats to raise some business and excise taxes — though not income taxes — in exchange for $280 billion in spending cuts over the next six years. As Reagan wrote in his diary at the time: “The tax increase is the price we have to pay to get the budget cuts.” But, of course, the Democrats were lying. Instead of cutting $280 billion, they spent an additional $450 billion — only $140 billion of which went to the Reagan defense buildup that ended the Evil Empire.George H.W. Bush made the exact same deal with Democrats just a few years later. Pretending to care about the deficit — created exclusively by their own profligate spending — Democrats demanded that Bush agree to a “balanced budget” package with both spending cuts and tax increases. In June 1990, Bush did so, agreeing to tax hikes in defiance of his “read-my-lips, no-new-taxes” campaign pledge. Again, Democrats, being Democrats, produced no spending cuts, and within two years the increased federal spending had led to a doubling of the deficit. The Democrats didn’t care : All that mattered was that they had tricked Bush into breaking his tax pledge, which they celebrated all the way to Bush’s defeat in the next election. (Source : http://newsbusters.org/blogs/ann-coulter/2011/11/24/medias-unhealthy-tax-hike-fixation-getting-old )CONCLUSION : BEFORE ACCUSING GROVER NORQUIST AND HIS PLEDGE, LET’S ALL REMEMBER WHY WE ARE WHERE WE ARE : BECAUSE OF 1/ DEMOCRATS DID NOT RESPECT THEIR PREVIOUS DEALS ABOUT DEFICITS, 2/ DEMOCRATS USED THE REPUBLICANS RAISING TAXES TO ACCUSE THEM OF BEING LIARS

What does sin have to do with it? I’m talking about his affliction brought upon by risky behavior and a lack of common sense.

You have an interesting view of what constitutes a “fact”.

I refrain from gay sex and from screwing people I don’t know.

The Democrats mostly don’t represent Democrat values but have been presented as the only sane alternative to the Republicans. The Republicans mostly don’t represent Republican values but have been presented as the only sane alternative to the Democrats so the overall effect is that the majority of voters are simply not being represented politically. There’s the corporate two-party system in full effect

Andrew Sullivan is the last true conservative in much the same way that Andrew Sullivan is the last true heterosexual.

sez dufus the king o the sock suppets

I feel there is very little danger of that happening.

How devilishly witty. I bet the next cocktail party can’t come soon enough

*LOL* Okay, point out my “lies”. Andrew Sullivan has been at best a British “conservative” which is hardly anything that would be considered right wing in American politics. Other than on government overspending (wow, what a rebel), Andrew Sullivan has completely endorsed everything that Barack Obama has done.

The Republican Party under George W. Bush *used* to resemble Sullivan’s British conservatism, but it’s quite obvious that right-wing conservatism and even further right-wing libertarianism now dominates the ideology of the party, and Sullivan doesn’t like that. Again, tough shit for him his ideas lost and conservative and libertarian ideas have won.

*LOL* Go ahead and find a single article where Andrew Sullivan has criticized Barack Obama on anything except for deficit spending.

*LOL* I love when leftist tell right-wing people what they think of Ronald Reagan. The Republican party is moving to the right or Reagan, which is good and Reagan would be proud since he was constrained by a far-leftist Congress.

Your ideology has LOST. Get over it, or rethink your stupid ideology — I don’t really care either way. Reality is still reality, and America is ending it’s brief tryst with Socialism. That won’t change no matter what the hell is going on in your head.

A president is incapable of raising taxes. Try reading the Constitution for once in your life.

Now what I think your ignorant mind was trying to say that Reagan signed legislation that raised taxes, which is true. He also didn’t sign legislation that raised taxes and his vetoes were overturned.

Sullivan is no conservative. His fawning over Obama should tell you that. You cannot be a fiscal conservative and like Obama. His homosexuality is another clue. Anyone who value’s his life so little, that he engages is such a dangerous lifestyle, is not a social conservative. That should be apparent. Even to a deluded homosexual, such as yourself

Nancy Reagan isn’t Ronald Reagan. If you’re going to pull in family members to gain fake brevity for your claims, Michael Reagan has said numerous times that his father would be proud of the direction of the party.

Reagan did not raise taxes. Read the Constitution for once in your life, presidents are incapable of raising taxes. A far-left Congress raised taxes and Reagan signed some of that legislation, some of it he didn’t and the vetoes were overturned.

The Republican party fully supports immigration. Liars like you claim otherwise because leftists have to create self-victimized groups in order to get any support for their ridiculous, proven-failure ideas. They do not support illegal immigration, and your Dear Leader doesn’t either since he likes to brag about deporting more illegal immigrants than any other president before him.

And spare me your “hate language” bullshit. “Hate language” is just any language you don’t like, and I could care less what you do or don’t like.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HNDf9xHm0Nw

maher nailed sully

No, fellow, MSNBC and its totally insane spokespeople (reporters??) have already destroyed the Democrats. The left is totally without reason, and that includes Sullivan, who is about as conservative as my bedroom slipper.

But Sullivan still bends over

Wow… The crack smoking here is second only to at a OWS gathering, Andrew Sullivan isn’t a conservative and never has been. It takes a shit load of crack smoking to think he is or ever was.

It was a sad day for the GOP when Tim Pawlenty dropped out. He was the voice of reason for the Republican Party. I see no way that I’ll vote for any of these losers next November.

Right, Andrew Sullivan is a Conservative… which is why he’s always taking the Liberal viewpoint on every topic.

Socially?  Liberal.  Fiscally?  Liberal.  Geopolitically?  Liberal.  Environmental issues?  Liberal.

Now, if Conservative is the opposite of Liberal… in what way in Andrew Sullivan a Conservative? What issues does he take a Conservative (or, of you prefer, anti-Liberal) position?

I can list issue after issue if you like where he’s on the Liberal side of the equation… because it’s pretty much every issue there is.

I understand as a Liberal wanting to think you’ve got even Conservatives on your side on every single issue becuase there really isn’t (and should never be) any opposition to your ideas; because you have the one true correct answer and everyone who disagrees is an idiot.

But working toward that echo-chamber attack-anyone-who-disagrees everyone-must-agree-with-me Mentality isn’t really beneficial.

That’s where the Rush crowd has issues.  When Fox News was less popular and there wasn’t a strong Conservative media presence; Conservatives avoided the echo-chamber; but since they’ve embraced it far more than could be considered helpful.

Do you really think that THIS is what you need to emulate?  To pretend someone who is a liberal on nearly every issue is a Conservative so you can claim even Conservatives agree with you?

Or is there some other reason you’d like to believe Andrew Sullivan is a Conservative?  Do you have a list of policies on which we takes the Conservative position (and where the Conservative position is drastically different from the Liberal Position)?

You’re obviously a Liberal; if Andrew Sullivan is a Conservative… on what topics do you disagree with him?  How many can you come up with off the top of your head without doing research?  Any?

If what Sullivan is happens to be a “conservative” then why do we also have the word “liberal” for the exact same policy positions on every single issue? 

Are the words “Conservative” and “Liberal” supposed to be synonyms and not antonyms? 
What issues does Sullivan stray from the Liberal Party Line? Name 3 off the top of your head.  Heck,name one without research… go for it.

Oh, not coming up with any?  Well he’s still a Conservative because Conservative = Liberal now.

What word exactly would you use for someone who opposes instead of supports liberal views?
Let me guess, “RADICAL REICH-WING ZEALOT”?

Is that your worldview? “There are people that agree with my liberla worldview; and they are Liberals and all ‘true conservatives’; and there are people who disagree, who are clearly insane for disagreeing”.

If not… what exactly do you call someone who isn’t on the liberal side of every issue?  You’ve decided “conservative” must mean “follows the liberal policy statements”… what is left exactly?

So we should support Obama and the Democrats?

GPS tracking and taking information from people’s cell phones without warrants is good now?  I thought spying on people was bad.

Wars of “imperailsm” are bad, but sending in troops in a … what idd you call it?  Oh yes “Kinetic Military Action” … which isn’t war and doesn’t ever need Congressional approval to overthrow a foreign nation’s government on the sole decision of the President is good?  that seems sort of like what you were calling bad, doesn’t it?

You don’t want to regulate sex lives… agreed; just School Lunch menus, when people have “made too much money”, and everything in between.  Light bulbs?  We’ve got to regualte and mandate those… because, the government needs to be involved in everyone’s day-to-day decisions… I guess.  Why is that?

Spending?  Democrats took over Congress in 2006 and the DEFICITS DOUBLED.  You spent TWICE AS MUCH money you didn’t have even before the recession in 2008.  Congress writes the budgets.

So if you want a fascist government treating all air travelers as criminals with no privacy rights, willing to track any citizen without a warrant, spend the country into oblivion, and enter wars without Congressional approval; you want Liberal Democrats.  That is where you’ll get the best movement toward Fascist government control.

But good luck projecting that.

Said in defense of… Andrew Sullivan.

Andrew Sullivan, and anyone else who follows the Liberal Party line 100%. 

Conservative = Liberal now.

I’m not sure what you call someone who isn’t a liberal… Oh wait, you make up slurs and personal attacks I guess; like Rex did.

See, there are Liberals, Conservatives who must be liberals; and evil nasty people who should be slandered and shunned for having a non-liberal opinion.

That’s how you have an open, honest, and rational political debate I guess… if you’re a liberal.

I hate to break it to you all here but Conservatism isn’t what you are seeing viewed through the Liberal prism. Andrew Sullivan imagines he’s a Conservative in the same way David Brooks does, to paraphrase “You can’t see Conservatism for the New York Times” Sadly, the lines has skewed so far Left over the decades that it’s truly “us or them” for the Country to survive. Until the Democratic party finds another vein to tap, other than the people who make money to give to those who do not, it will ride into oblivion. 

Ask The Atlantic.

“…destroying this Republican party is essential if this country and the world are going to recover from our current morass.” Andrew Sullivan 2008
“I’m Still A Conservative, And They Are Not” Andrew Sullivan 2011

I guess if you destroy the Republican party entirely, and let the Democrats win every election you’re a Conservative now?

Or is Andrew’s constant calling for the end of Republicans and the victory of Democrats just a Conservative viewpoint all good Conservatives should have?

How is that not a Liberal viewpoint?  Do liberals not want that exact same outcome?  Or have we redefined “Conservative” so it means “Liberal” in every single aspect?  If we’re changing the dictionary entry to “Conservative: See Liberal” then I’ll agree, he’s a Conservative, or a Liberal, or whatever you want to call it.

If you don’t think Conservative and Liberal are two words with the exact same meaning… where is Sullivan choosing Conservative over Liberal?  On which issues does this happen?  What Social/Fiscal/Geopolitical issues does Sullivan break with Liberal views and support Conservatism?

Go find 3 issues where Sullivan is a Conservative and not a Liberal and get beck to me.  Pardon me if I don’t wait anxiously for your answer though… I think I’ll find something to do while I wait.  Maybe a few thousand-piece single-color jigsaw puzzles; I suspect I’ll be waiting a while…

Hahaha I am glad that you admit that you like crazy people. It’s all beginning to make a lot of sense.

Andrew Sullivan is a conservative in the way that Joe Stalin was a conservative.

I don’t support those things, idiot, you do. You supported all of the evil wars, belligerent spending, violations of civil liberties. Don’t come here and pretend otherwise. I know what you are.

What’s your point?

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/2011/03/02/obama-says-race...

Actually, it’s not too difficult to find examples. 

You, unfortunately, have digressed.   Digressivism is my new word for people like you.  First, you saw the light, but then the light failed you.  Putz.

The people that don’t care what YOU think? 

Glad it makes sense to you. Your comment is sure gibberish to anyone else.

(BTW, you keep telling me that I “add nothing” to this board and yet you continue to respond to all of my comments. Clearly if my comments were nothing more than noise, you wouldn’t feel compelled to answer. Actions speak louder than words.)

What color is the sky on your planet?

He can’t…he gets his talking points from Huffington Post and the Democrat Underground (yes, I’m aware it’s spelled differently :)).

haha.  Clueless dick says “Liar!” in 5,4,3,2…

So says the local leader of the Massengill Brigade.  What a douche!

You’re so brave.

So you find it ‘odd’ that while in labor she didn’t sit down to type out some emails?  Let me pull a bowling ball out of your ass over a period of 20-30 hours.  Let’s see how many emails you get out.  If it’s more than half a dozen, I’d say you’d have put the theory to test, wouldn’t you?

So when the Republican party believes that corporations are people and speech is money, where do you draw the line between democracy and a fascist state? It looks like they don’t see it through all the PAC money they receive from the global corporate state. The Democratic party does not believe corporations are people, a big difference. WE are stuck in a two party system and the only way to change this is by speaking up and changing the party. It’s easy to join the Democratic party,,,,,,,,just show up and voice your opinion.  Rock on 99………….

…”suggesting that the idea that “the government should be exploded, destroyed” was not conservative, if the word was defined as “liking the status quo, as wanting it to be limited government but understanding that there are two parties in the system, a little give and take…”

This is the kind of irrationality into which liberals would like our thinking to descend. It is nonsense on stilts. First, conservatives do not want to explode or destroy government. It is unprofessional for Sullivan to go into such hyperbole just because he is upset that conservatives rightly consider agencies like the Department of Education unconstitutional and will not brook the unconstitutional.

Second, conservative is defined relative to the republic’s founding ideals, not whatever left-of-center muck we happen to find ourselves in courtesy of a century of left-wing agitation and Republican capitulation. Wanting limited government but giving a little time after time is a contradiction. Tell us, Sullivan, when and what can we take? You do not want limited government. Just come out and be honest instead of pretending to be something you aren’t.

No, I find it odd that she DID write emails while in labor and failed to mention the fact that she was in labor and en route to Alaska.  http://andrewsullivan.thedailybeast.com/2011/06/the-day-trig-was-born.html

“First, conservatives do not want to explode or destroy government.”

I wish you were right, but unfortunately, the rhetoric we hear from the leading GOP contenders says otherwise. They’ve shown a total contempt for government and a willingness to dismantle it without any real understanding of what it does. (Remember Rick Perry’s famous brain fart about all the agencies he plans to destroy as soon as he’s in Washington?)

Sullivan is dead right about this.

I see: the point is that you’re deluded.

Well, to your credit, you made that point very effectively. 

You are simply arbitrarily defining “destroying government” as the dismantling of anything YOU want to see preserved.

The government should not have a Department of Energy, Education, or Commerce. I know that you think that what they do is important and we really, really, really need them, please daddy I really NEEEED them, can I have them PLEEEASE daddy. I am sure you have a million “reasons” why you think they are needed. But they are not needed in an objective sense, and they are a violation of the rights of individuals in the private sector.

The government should not be interfering with the private sector, and money from taxpayers should not go to pay for the interference against them.

I touched a nerve?  

Actually read what Publius219 says below me.  enough said.

yawn

That’s funny… and newsbusters. Now your talking about an independent non-partison web site. excellent

Do you have any idea what a butcher – job you have performed on the English language with this post? It is so riddled with problems that whatever point you were trying to make is completely lost. Not one of your sentences makes a lick of sense. Try reading this out loud, and if you think I am wrong please explain this load of gibberish.

Not like Jerry Sandusky touched you.

Always the sheep I see, unable to defend your own wrong ideas.

Said in defense of better jokes actually. Yours was rubbish.

Just do us all a favor, learn how to spell R E A G A N.  Sentences begin with capital letters. Sentences do not begin with But, (hint, you should have used a comma and made it a single sentence).

Your fairy tale notions of what Ronald Reagan would have done in respect to Obama’s policies are quite fanciful.

 , I didn’t know this was an English class. most people you know, are typing on the run and just want to get the message across. that’s all that matters. and who cares how I spelled Reagan? Everyone knew who I meant.

lol   when people lose in an argument they usually try to find something else to criticize the person about just to change the subject…. don’t worry, Dems. do it to.

Name calling shows your maturity…you better get to bed, school tomorrow.

Who cares, when you’re just typing on the fly… you got the point. That’s why you are pissed .    lol

Sullivan is a stupid and inconsistent libertarian, and is not much of a conservative.  Conservative, by the way, is always what Marvin Minsky called a “suitcase word” that always needs to be unpacked, because it is a word that takes its meaning from the relative historical status quo.  ie: What is left to “conserve” is forever shifting.  Hayek explained this in his essay “Why I am Not A Conservative” where he talks about the historical meaning of conservative and liberal (Hayek, the hero of Reagan and Thatcher called himself a “classical liberal” or a “libertarian,” although he didn’t like the word libertarian for reasons of style.)  Sullivan makes a joke of himself when he calls Huntsman a quality candidate who is getting ignored.  LOL  …Too dumb to embrace Ron Paul as the only legitimate option.  …Very intellectually lazy!  And does he mention Johnson above Huntsman?  Johnson balanced the NM budget by standing strong, and without raising taxes.  Sullivan is a weak mind, if he believes government growth is a “given” that must be compromised with.  Apparently, he’s never read any Harry Browne or Nathaniel Branden.  Too busy with political masturbation to get to the meat of any deep philosophical comprehension.  …But he did nail Newt Gingrich accurately, and for that, I salute him.

I am not “pissed” – and no, I did not get the point. You mangled the language so badly that you made yourself look liken an imbecile. If you want to communicate with other humans in English you need to treat the language with a modicum of respect and learn how to use it properly. What you wrote, despite your point – whatever that was – was hopelessly indecipherable.

Lol all you want to, you still look like a fool with your pants on the ground.

No sensible person thinks that these agencies are a “violation of the rights of individuals.”

Hence you are not a sensible person.

Go back to sleep.

Another poster totally ignorant of history and willing to prove it to the rest of us. Thanks. I’ll add your name to the list.

Three terms: Liberal, conservative, and radical.

It’s simple-minded to think if one is not conservative, one is necessarily a liberal.

Those people who wear the cloak of conservatism and yet are intensely radical in their plans to remake America in some meaner and less effective image — those are the people Sullivan decries.

You’ve just proved Sullivan’s point.

When intellect fails, revert to homophobia. Typical.

I tell you this as a friend. You want to stay away from the “puny intellect” theme.

Just sayin’.

In other words, “the devil made me do it.”

Ya know, the poor little rightwing victim schtick grew tiresome years ago. Try something else.

As long as I look liken an it’s ok.

Just for you, “liken” it or not. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pP3VAtGLQms

@Stylin:disqus – I didn’t name call.

Aw, Mediaite’s adopted Sully as their own pet “conservative.” It’s nice to see someone wants him.

Wouldn’t ask about the pedigree, though. Just take his word for it.

Liar.  You said “Obama is doing so well.  That’s why he has the lowest approval rating of any President since Jimmy Carter”.  That is a lie. Liar.  Then your apologist friend changed the subject and tried to defend you.  You are a liar and everyone with an ounce of sense knows it.

Andrew was born and raised in the UK, so naturally he will be less conservative than american conservatives. However I don’t see how being for the environment is anti-conservative. Neither do I think being okay with gay marriage and access to birth control is either. Most conservatives around the world aren’t preoccupied with these issues. They focus more on cutting spending and maintain reasonable— not excessive regulation.