Making sacrifices is part of the job you fat POS!

He should have gone to Hawaii.

I mean, I hear the weather there is even better than in Florida, the beaches are great, and for some rather odd reason it seems that politicians who choose to go there for vacation while their constituants suffer near record unemployment, skyrocketing gas prices, and give them very low job approval ratings somehow avoid criticism.

Funny, ain’t it?

When asked to comment President Obama said, “fore”.

You morons can’t have it both ways.

Dear Frank Gaffney Superpatriot! Hey, thanks for starting out the New Year proving that intransigence, myopia, and nastiness are inbred and probably genetic.

By the way, note that the two comments above from the left use the terms “fat boy” and “fat POS”.

I love it when the left lives down to my opinion of them.

Harry says:

I love it when the left lives down to my opinion of them.

And that ain’t easy!

The truth is the left will spend the next 2 years trying to manufacture controversary regarding Christie because they are scared to death of him. They are worried he will be our nominee so they are trying to destroy him before that happens. It does make it more difficult for them when their hero is lounging around in Hawaii and playing golf.

Christie/Ryan 2012!!

Fox News: Serving the Freeper community since 1996 said:
Making sacrifices is part of the job you fat POS!

So why is Obama extending HIS vacation when the country is in the condition it is in??? Hypocrite.

Looks like Mayor Corey Booker will soon be Governor Booker!!! 2013 coming fast New Jersey!!!

Harry Flashman said:

I love it when the left lives down to my opinion of them.

I like that one. I’ll have to remember it for later.

Frank Gaffney Superpatriot! said:
Bye Bye fat boy!

When are you going to quit hiding behind that phony name? What hole did you crawl out of? Did you get early release?

Frank Gaffney Superpatriot! said:
It’s not the left asshole it is people like Ed Rollins and the NJ Star Ledger who have been largely supportive of Christie, their headline from yesterday is “Chris Christie Commits Political Suicide”. He isn’t ready for prime time as this move clearly illustrates.

REALLY!!! Shit for brains. Maybe he doesn’t have a media making excuses for him 24/7. Like Obama’s fiddling in Hawaii while Rome burns. Where’s HIS media criticism for being on a LONGER vaca than Christie??? For playing MORE golf in the first 2 years in office than your greatest villain of all time…BUSH. My Gawd asshole he’s playing MORE golf that BUSH you fucking idiot. Remeber your sides opinion about all the golf Bush played??? Or Olbermann’s “Special Comment” about it??? HYPOCRITE!!!

Frank Gaffney Superpatriot! said:
It’s not the left asshole it is people like Ed Rollins and the NJ Star Ledger who have been largely supportive of Christie, their headline from yesterday is “Chris Christie Commits Political Suicide”. He isn’t ready for prime time as this move clearly illustrates.

Too bad you don’t know what you are talking about.
Jersey did not have the problems that New York had. The system worked the way it always has and the governor would have made no difference.
Tell what planes were flying into Jersey or New York from Florida? NONE. Phony issue.

mcf1757 said:
Looks like Mayor Corey Booker will soon be Governor Booker!!! 2013 coming fast New Jersey!!!

So by your logic Obama will be out in 2012… RIGHT!!!

mcf1757 said:
Looks like Mayor Corey Booker will soon be Governor Booker!!! 2013 coming fast New Jersey!!!

I know New Jersey has a history of electing crooks but I don’t think it will be very soon again.

Let’s see- the main snow removal issue was in NYC, not New Jersey and the Mayor and Gov. were on site in NY.

CC obviously knows how to delegate authority to do a better job during a snow emergency than do the on site authorities in NY.

BTW, the outfit that monitors my house for security is over 1500 miles from my house. Buy guess what? It’s called technology! They don’t need to be just 5 miles away to do their job.

Good job, CC. You operate like a great CEO would.

Your attempts to bring President Obama into this conversation is pathetic!!

Hey, maybe one of you libs could explain something to me. When hurricane Katrina happened, the mismanagement was ALL Bush’s fault. Not the DEM Mayor or Gov. So shouldn’t all this mismanagement be Obama’s fault if the same rules apply?

The real question is: Was NJ impared by Christie’s absence durring the storm? Was there a problem in NJ that should have been delt with by the gov. that wasn’t?

My folks live in NJ, and know the answer is, “No.”

Of course, that doesn’t really matter to the hater crowd. They were mad before this event, they’ll be mad afterwards. It’s just the latest excuse for them to bitch at people who disagree with them.

Oh, and for all the “fat” comments… go tell Michael Moore.

ImNotBlue said:
Oh, and for all the “fat” comments… go tell Michael Moore.

Or Ed Schultz.

I guess that’s one way to spin it SuperZERO!

Frank Gaffney Superpatriot! said:
Chris Christie’s ass weighs more than Ed Schultz and Michael Moore combined.

So does your mother and your husband.

Frank Gaffney Superpatriot! said:
check out this gay guyhttp://www.gordonbloyershow.com

i dont know you were a bigot frank lol

Frank Gaffney Superpatriot! said:
2011 is the year that liberals play this bullshit game on your level, expect more ad hominem, partisan attacks that get really personal. And Fuck off.

You are off by a number of years, son.

You libs wrote the book on ad hominem and personal attacks.

Let’s go down memory lane, shall we?

http://www.ringospictures.com/index.php?page=20090816

http://www.zombietime.com/zomblog/?p=621

http://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2010/03/025964.php

Not that I really want to start the new year disagreeing with Frank Gaffney and Ed Rollins, but politics is about perception. Obama can avoid the Gulf Oil Spill for a month, but the perception is he couldn’t do anything about it anyway, which is put forth by the left leaning media. IF Obama were a Republican, the press would have done the same thing to him they’re trying to do to Christie, but they didn’t.

What this is all about is trying to take Chris Christie down a peg or 2, in the eyes of the public. The trouble is that it really looks petty and someone like Ed Rollins should recognize that and point out that it was a major snow storm, not a flood, not a bombing, not a wildfire, but a snow storm. It’s something that local governments deal with yearly. NOw, if you’re saying that the New Jersey Turnpike didn’t get cleared, or any other state highway for that matter, then you could blame Christie, but I didn’t hear anything about that.

So, it all boils down to the fact that Ed Rollins just wanted to be in the amen corner instead of thinking it through, which may be why he comments on CNN and not Fox News.

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
The truth is the left will spend the next 2 years trying to manufacture controversary regarding Christie because they are scared to death of him. They are worried he will be our nominee so they are trying to destroy him before that happens. It does make it more difficult for them when their hero is lounging around in Hawaii and playing golf.

And so it begins…. I agree, expect the attacks to come rapid fire, a shotgun approach for the next two years… Chris is a threat and no issue will be too petty to throw at the wall and see what sticks…

mcf said:

“Your attempts to bring President Obama into this conversation is pathetic!!”

Oh, I dunno….you jumped right into the pool. Looks pretty successful to me. And why is that a different subject?

Where was the left’s righteous rage when Obama vacationed during the Gulf oil spill? There was none. You waited in bitter silence, chewing your thumbnails and snarling off in some corner like mean ankle biting little dogs, waiting for a chance to take a nip at your betters without getting kicked.

Congrats. you got it. Although as usual, you’re toothless, all yap and no substance. This is a non-issue and you know it but it makes for talking points. And again, as usual, that’s all you have.

More dross. As usual. Ankle nippers.

That’s the double-edge sword of media buzz, fatboy! You want all the fawning and national press and speculation about a presidential run, then you gotta take the criticism and scrutiny that comes with it.

Can’t have it all, and when the shit comes to a head, you better choose your constituents over Mickey Mouse and yet another buffet.

Headed for Palin-land in the polls, tubby!

Hey. That is your job — taking care of business. If you don’t like your job, QUIT. Kids get over whatever.
Lose some weight. If you want more time with your family get another job!

MediaWhore said:
That’s the double-edge sword of media buzz, fatboy! You want all the fawning and national press and speculation about a presidential run, then you gotta take the criticism and scrutiny that comes with it. Can’t have it all, and when the shit comes to a head, you better choose your constituents over Mickey Mouse and yet another buffet. Headed for Palin-land in the polls, tubby!

another bigot who knew

Frank Gaffney Superpatriot! said:
No shit it’s called politics.

Hey Jonathon Scott , Happy New Year ! . Yea , you still suck at the whole name change thing . LOL
You gonna do the Skinhead thing again ?

Your right Harry, the people of New Jersey shouldnt expect their chief executive to be in-state while they’re suffering, a complete non-issue!!

And as for President and the oil spill, I think the crazies on the right took care of the sanctimonious bitching all on their own!!

tws258 said:
Hey Jonathon Scott , Happy New Year ! . Yea , you still suck at the whole name change thing . LOL
You gonna do the Skinhead thing again ?

HA !

Republicans aways have to blame someone else..it’s called pure hypocrisy. The Governor and Lt. Governor were MIA, but at least he didn’t say he was on the Appalachian trail. But, I’m sure the exercise would’ve done him some good instead of eating funnel cakes and corn dogs all day at Disney World.

Frank Gaffney Superpatriot! said:
No shit it’s called politics. Chris Christie should know damn well that he has a gigantic target on his back but obviously he is too much of an amateur to figure it out. He will crash and burn and this time next year will probably have as much Presidental clout as George Allen.

… you wanna get Cristie then fine, but Jesus Christ, couldn’t any of you guys waited until he actually fucked up… this is minor petty bullshit… where are the stories of how fucked up the response was in New Jersey. Booker is doing a great job, so his city is covered… Any other cities fucking up… if so then look to the mayor…

As a psychologist I have to say that this comment, “I was not going to look at my children and say we’re not going” is arguably, a mark of bad parenting.

1. It creates the possibility of inducing significant feelings of guilt in his children if they come to feel that they are responsible for their father not taking charge of the situation and the suffering of other New Jersey residents.

2. it teaches them that preoccupation with personal concerns is always more important than the public good, and it doesn’t matter if you’re in public service where you have a fiduciary responsibility to the public good.

But Christie strikes me as a somewhat narcissistic fellow whose preoccupation with self is part of his personality. Why else would be have him making sure that his staff spends the people’s dime on editing and posting 163 youtube videos of the gov in action.

Generally, he lacks vision beyond his self-preoccupation. Exhibit A was his squelching of a multi-billion dollar plan for a new tunnel across the Hudson, which was the result of decades of planning and cooperation between NY and NJ . It was fully paid for out of federal money.

So we have the Swiss finishing tunnels through the Alps, the Chinese building super trains, and Chris Christie blaming others for his own failures at snow removal.

Meanwhile, he’s supported by a population of which only 18 percent believe in evolution.

As Mencken said, “Democracy is the theory that the common man gets the government he deserves, and he deserves to get it good and hard.”

mrcalabash said:
As a psychologist I have to say that this comment, “I was not going to look at my children and say we’re not going” is arguably, a mark of bad parenting. 1. It creates the possibility of inducing significant feelings of guilt in his children if they come to feel that they are responsible for their father not taking charge of the situation and the suffering of other New Jersey residents. 2. it teaches them that preoccupation with personal concerns is always more important than the public good, and it doesn’t matter if you’re in public service where you have a fiduciary responsibility to the public good. But Christie strikes me as a somewhat narcissistic fellow whose preoccupation with self is part of his personality. Why else would be have him making sure that his staff spends the people’s dime on editing and posting 163 youtube videos of the gov in action. Generally, he lacks vision beyond his self-preoccupation. Exhibit A was his squelching of a multi-billion dollar plan for a new tunnel across the Hudson, which was the result of decades of planning and cooperation between NY and NJ . It was fully paid for out of federal money. So we have the Swiss finishing tunnels through the Alps, the Chinese building super trains, and Chris Christie blaming others for his own failures at snow removal. Meanwhile, he’s supported by a population of which only 18 percent believe in evolution. As Mencken said, “Democracy is the theory that the common man gets the government he deserves, and he deserves to get it good and hard.”

Pop psycho babble bullshit… this is fuckin’ pathetic people…

I don’t see any of you blaming the New York governor for New York City’s response, what pychosis does he suffer from. Bloomberg’s response might be closer to narcissim that one might think.

This is Christie’s katrina.

JamesA1102 said:
This is Christie’s katrina.

lol, its the new year, dont hit the bong so early

Ya gotta love that lamestream socialist fake-news media DOUBLE STANDARD:

NOT a peep about the massive NYC snow removal failure (with several deaths) of lunatic-left d-crat socialist and Ground Zero Mosque supporter bloomberg….but endless slime attacks against conservative Republican Christie.

mrcalabash says:
January 1, 2011 at 1:22 pm mrcalabash(Quote)

Shouldn’t that read mrbalderdash?

An analyst would have a field day with that pschobabble delivered in such a Ted Baxter wannabe way.

mrcalabash said:
mrcalabash says:
January 1, 2011 at 1:22 pm mrcalabash(Quote)

And just what problems did his absence create during the blizzard?

None.

So your psychobabble is totally gratuitous,irrelevant and partisan poppycock.

mrcalabash said:
As a psychologist I have to say that this comment, “I was not going to look at my children and say we’re not going” is arguably, a mark of bad parenting.
1. It creates the possibility of inducing significant feelings of guilt in his children if they come to feel that they are responsible for their father not taking charge of the situation and the suffering of other New Jersey residents.
2. it teaches them that preoccupation with personal concerns is always more important than the public good, and it doesn’t matter if you’re in public service where you have a fiduciary responsibility to the public good.

As a fellow psychologist , I have to say , you are an idiot .

mrcalabash:

Got all that out of a 14 word statement did you?

Damn, you’re good. Anyone who can diagnose bad parenting, narcicism, fudiciary irresponsibility, lack of vision, AND manages to get a swipe in at ignorant Christians while he’s at it using one short sentence is good. I’m impressed. Move over, Freud.

By the way, lean over here and let me whisper this in your ear…there is no Santa Claus, There is no Easter Bunny, and the tunnel was NOT fully funded by the feds. It would have cost New Jersey billions they don’t have. But we’ll just keep that between us, m’kay? After the brilliant diagnosis above I wouldn’t want people to suspect that, um, you don’t have the faintest clue what you’re talking about.

I’m there for ya, buddy.

mrcalabash said:
mrcalabash says:
January 1, 2011 at 1:22 pm mrcalabash(Quote)

BTW, you are such a great analyst, you should change your name to Sigmund Fraud!

So its ok for the cops and fire fighters (who’s pensions that you want to cut) to stay back and not you? Arent you the one who is always talking about sacrifices?

mcf1757 said:
Your attempts to bring President Obama into this conversation is pathetic!!

Yes…..everyone knows thats its only ok to bring BUSH into every subject!!!! Not Obama!

BR said:
So its ok for the cops and fire fighters (who’s pensions that you want to cut) to stay back and not you? Arent you the one who is always talking about sacrifices?

Yes, since there may be a crime or fire at anytime, all politicians should have no vacations.

Rolls eyes.

At the very worst the Christie Administration is guilty of letting the Gov. & the Lt. Gov. be out of state at the same time and leaving the state in charge of what could be his potential Democratic rival in the next election. On one radio station in New Jersey (jersey101.5) the vast majority of callers were not pissed at Christie at all and defended his vacation, but did wonder why was the Lt. Gov. out of state at the same time. No biggie but they should get their schedules straight so this doesn’t happen again. Don’t need to give the Star Ledger wingnuts any free ammunition.

cjd ohio 1 said:
lol, its the new year, dont hit the bong so early

I think he’s still the crack pipe hard from 2010!

yes every f–kup the republicans make POTUS Omama made them do it.

mrcalabash said:
Meanwhile, he’s supported by a population of which only 18 percent believe in evolution.

So we have the Swiss finishing tunnels through the Alps, the Chinese building super trains, and Chris Christie blaming others for his own failures at snow removal.

Actually, I think you will find that evolution number is closer to 40%. But considering the fact we have a creationist museum where dinosaurs are shown on Noah’s arc, your point is well taken.

And yes big projects like high-speed trains and nuclear energy plants will require government leadership. I doubt we will ever see those kind of projects in our country again.

If someone already mentioned this above I apologize!
But I am sure these asshole libs doing the name calling above
have never heard of “delegation.”
On another note at least 50% of the numb nutted lefty jerks doing the
FAT insults here are Lardasses themselves!
That is just stats. Lardasses and short people just have a tendency to
run off at the mouth.
They also tend to be Democrats!

on the crack pipe

Fact: Once again when you rely on SAIU union labor to clean streets you get subpar service! Chris Christie is a genius that will show how unions didn’t respond and fulfill their duties! Don’t blame the governor for pensions’ out of whack that is sinking the state of NJ blame the real cause shit labor unions! Hey sing it has that union label when you can’t get around! Coddle the wussies of NJ they need it!

JamesA1102 said:
This is Christie’s katrina.

Fact: Union labor is on top of it! Trust in them!

“I had a great five days.”

Rule #1 for dumbfuck politicians: When you’re caught abandoning your state during a crisis, ALWAYS be sure to highlight how much FUN you had while the people of your state were MISERABLE.

Christie is completely tone deaf to the political optics and may as well write off any national aspirations right now. What kind of dipshit talks about how great his vacation when he’s under attack for shirking his duties?

Who’d have ever thunk that getting pissed off and angry as your sole response to everythying would backfire?

Nighty night, tubbo.

As an Independent, I don’t like or trust Republicans or Democrats, or politicians in general for that matter. (Came back from Vietnam that way and haven’t seen any good reason to change). But I gotta say, the hypocritical, just plain moronic comments by some of the extreme libs here make the Republicans look pretty good.

So am I to understand that not one member of the angry left can actually point to a problem that Christie’s absence caused?

PA-THETIC!

Frank Gaffney Superpatriot! said:
2011 is the year that liberals play this bullshit game on your level, expect more ad hominem, partisan attacks that get really personal. And Fuck off.

Right back at ya dumbass, low IQ inbreed, mouthbreather.

trica said:
yes every f–kup the republicans make POTUS Omama made them do it.

Kind of like the rules your team played by from 2000-2008.

MediaWhore said:
Rule #1 for dumbfuck politicians: When you’re caught abandoning your state

Fact: Correct don’t ever use union labor they are a bunch of pussies that can’t make it in the real world!

MediaWhore said:
“I had a great five days.”

Yeah, you would think the FAT PIG would at least a little contrite, but instead the thin-skinned LARD ASS doubled down.

The FAT FUCK can kiss his presidential aspirations goodbye, not because of just this incident, but because when you peel back the bellicose, angry rhetoric, you still find a despicable human.

mcf1757 said:
Your attempts to bring President Obama into this conversation is pathetic!!

Your attempt to keep him out is pathetic…. and proves our point. Pwned.

Fox News: Serving the Freeper community since 1996 said:
Yeah, you would think the FAT PIG would at least a little contrite, but instead the thin-skinned LARD ASS doubled down.

The FAT FUCK can kiss his presidential aspirations goodbye, not because of just this incident, but because when you peel back the bellicose, angry rhetoric, you still find a despicable human.

You are one hate filled POS. Have fun beating your wife.

Harry Flashman said:
mrcalabash:

Got all that out of a 14 word statement did you?

Damn, you’re good. Anyone who can diagnose bad parenting, narcicism, fudiciary irresponsibility, lack of vision, AND manages to get a swipe in at ignorant Christians while he’s at it using one short sentence is good. I’m impressed. Move over, Freud.

By the way, lean over here and let me whisper this in your ear…there is no Santa Claus, There is no Easter Bunny, and the tunnel was NOT fully funded by the feds. It would have cost New Jersey billions they don’t have. But we’ll just keep that between us, m’kay? After the brilliant diagnosis above I wouldn’t want people to suspect that, um, you don’t have the faintest clue what you’re talking about.

I’m there for ya, buddy.

I like to see someone who takes as his screen name a personna of the greatest coward in literary history. Well, he was a good horseman and womanizer.

George C said:
As a fellow psychologist , I have to say , you are an idiot .

Nice. Doing what you are accusing me of doing. As a fellow psychologist, I’m sure you have heard of projection.

Fox News: Serving the Freeper community since 1996 said:
Actually, I think you will find that evolution number is closer to 40%. But considering the fact we have a creationist museum where dinosaurs are shown on Noah’s arc, your point is well taken.

And yes big projects like high-speed trains and nuclear energy plants will require government leadership. I doubt we will ever see those kind of projects in our country again.

Actually, according to the relevant Gallup poll, it’s only 16 percent who believe in a strictly naturalistic view of evolution without the intervention of a divine being, which is also the strictly scientific view. 38 percent believe that evolution happened, but with divine intervention. 40 percent believe in straight-up creationism–that God created us all 10,000 years ago.(These are sad and telling statistics.)

And I have no problem with branding Bloomberg–a Democratic turncoat, who became a Republican and then betrayed them too–as a narcissist too. He made sure that his street and his fellow Manhattanites were plowed out first. (As someone who grew up in Brooklyn, I’m old enough to remember people who called the union of Brooklyn with NYC as “the great mistake of 1898.” ) But there are narcissists across the political spectrum. If you think about it, narcissism is part of the job description. “Vote for me!”

A slight correction of the tunnel issue. NY’s projected cost was $2.7 billion spread out over at least a decade. Christie said he was afraid there would be cost over runs. His cancellation of the tunnel meant that $600 million of already spent NJ money goes down the drain. The tunnel would have created 6,000 jobs each year for a decade. Much of the expenditure would have been offset by the economic development from the tunnel. Christie, at the time, said he preferred to spend the money on “local infrastructure.” I guess he didn’t mean snow removal.

Where is Robert Moses when we really need him?

Fox News: Serving the Freeper community since 1996 said:
The FAT FUCK can kiss his presidential aspirations goodbye

Fact: Correct who gets elected without doing the job with union flunkies who figures! Christie’s problem is using subpar labor unions that can’t clean streets!

mrcalabash said:
Nice. Doing what you are accusing me of doing.

I was not . I made the simple and declarative statement , that you are an idiot .

Righties use personal insults against literally everyone they don’t like, and sometimes they use them against their own. Whenever you hear a sexist, racist, classist, homophobic, or all-around juvenile insult, there’s a 90% chance it’s coming from the righties. So a few bomb-hurlers drop “fat man” and the right wingers here FREAK OUT!!!! OMG!!!! FREAK OUT!!!!!!!

You are such predictable pansies and Christie is a total pussy on his best day. Now we know why he feels the need to bully people so much – it’s fairly typical of henpecked husbands to be self-important bluster bombs in the rest of their affairs. Poor Chris Christie, doesn’t have the stones to stand up to his own wife but he can sure push around the little old ladies that make up most of the teachers in NJ. Yep, he’s very brave when it comes to underlings and old ladies. But when he gets home….

“When we grew and went to school, there were certain teachers who would hurt the children in any way they could….
…by pouring their derision upon anything we did, exposing every weakness, however carefully hidden by the kids…
….but in the town it was well-know when they got home at night their fat, psychopathic wives would thrash them within inches of their lives.”

- http://www.youtube.com/v/Glrctc1mkms&autoplay=1

@ mrcalabash

And all that has what, exactly, to do with the blizzard?

I’ll answer for you: nothing.

As a psychologist, I’m sure you’ll admit that you anger (and the anger od many of those on the left) directed towards Christie in this situation is based purely in politics… and not present actions. Right?

Let me answer for you agains: Yes. Yes it is.

PS – Being fat is a choice. Thyroid issues affect less then 3% of the obese population. Being fat is a choice!

Christie was even more disappointed when he arrived at Disney and found the signs that read….”You must be under 350lbs to ride this ride.”

Fact: Takes ten union workers to do the job of one non union equivalent! Unions suck clean it yourselves!

Paul Westlake said:
Righties use personal insults against literally everyone they don’t like, and sometimes they use them against their own. Whenever you hear a sexist, racist, classist, homophobic, or all-around juvenile insult, there’s a 90% chance it’s coming from the righties. So a few bomb-hurlers drop “fat man” and the right wingers here FREAK OUT!!!! OMG!!!! FREAK OUT!!!!!!!

You are such predictable pansies and Christie is a total pussy on his best day. Now we know why he feels the need to bully people so much – it’s fairly typical of henpecked husbands to be self-important bluster bombs in the rest of their affairs. Poor Chris Christie, doesn’t have the stones to stand up to his own wife but he can sure push around the little old ladies that make up most of the teachers in NJ. Yep, he’s very brave when it comes to underlings and old ladies. But when he gets home….

“When we grew and went to school, there were certain teachers who would hurt the children in any way they could….
…by pouring their derision upon anything we did, exposing every weakness, however carefully hidden by the kids…
….but in the town it was well-know when they got home at night their fat, psychopathic wives would thrash them within inches of their lives.”

- http://www.youtube.com/v/Glrctc1mkms&autoplay=1

I will be more than happy to point out all the hate filled shit you assholes pump out every time it happens to disprove your stupid, dumbass, low IQ inbreed, mouth breather analysis of “90%”. This statement proves how dumb you are, and that you have no integrity.

@ Paul

Go tell Michael Moore.

But really, are you on the left really that superficial? Yikes!

Paul Westlake said:
PS – Being fat is a choice. Thyroid issues affect less then 3% of the obese population. Being fat is a choice!

Being dumb is also a choice.

Paul Westlake said:
Righties use personal insults against literally everyone they don’t like, and sometimes they use them against their own. Whenever you hear a sexist, racist, classist, homophobic, or all-around juvenile insult, there’s a 90% chance it’s coming from the righties. So a few bomb-hurlers drop “fat man” and the right wingers here FREAK OUT!!!! OMG!!!! FREAK OUT!!!!!!! You are such predictable pansies and Christie is a total pussy on his best day. Now we know why he feels the need to bully people so much – it’s fairly typical of henpecked husbands to be self-important bluster bombs in the rest of their affairs. Poor Chris Christie, doesn’t have the stones to stand up to his own wife but he can sure push around the little old ladies that make up most of the teachers in NJ. Yep, he’s very brave when it comes to underlings and old ladies. But when he gets home…. “When we grew and went to school, there were certain teachers who would hurt the children in any way they could….…by pouring their derision upon anything we did, exposing every weakness, however carefully hidden by the kids…….but in the town it was well-know when they got home at night their fat, psychopathic wives would thrash them within inches of their lives.” – http://www.youtube.com/v/Glrctc1mkms&autoplay=1

reminds me of a guy that had to leave a press conference to go to a christmas party so he would not piss off his wife, pussies

Frank Gaffney Superpatriot! said:
Aww poor baby you seem real mad, did we hurt your feelings?

Jonathan ,
Your music sucks .

All the best ,

George

Frank Gaffney Superpatriot! said:
Further proof at what complete cry babies the right are. Aww poor baby you seem real mad, did we hurt your feelings?

Nope, bigger man than you could ever be. Just pointing out your hypocrisy. Hope it doesn’t hurt YOUR feelings little boy.

“I don’t know about you assholes stuck here in shithole New Jersey during a blizzard, but I had a great five days in sunny Florida!”

Ladies and gentleman, your rising GOP star.

Sorry… meant little bitch.

mrcalabash said:
according to the relevant Gallup poll, it’s only 16 percent who believe in a strictly naturalistic view of evolution without the intervention of a divine being, which is also the strictly scientific view. 38 percent believe that evolution happened, but with divine intervention. 40 percent believe in straight-up creationism–that God created us all 10,000 years ago.(These are sad and telling statistics.)

Okay, but I don’t have too much of a problem with those who claim divine intervention with respect to evolution since they are basically saying they don’t know how the whole process got started which I can respect. At least they are NOT using HORSESHIT LIES from the Bible regarding how old the earth. It took these same RW ASSHOLES centuries to stop burning supposed witches.

MediaWhore said:
“I don’t know about you assholes stuck here in shithole New Jersey during a blizzard, but I had a great five days in sunny Florida!”

Ladies and gentleman, your rising GOP star.

“I don’t know about you assholes stuck here in shithole New Jersey during a blizzard, but I had a great five days in sunny Hawaii!”

Ladies and gentleman, your rising DNC star.

mrcalabash said:
Generally, he lacks vision beyond his self-preoccupation. Exhibit A was his squelching of a multi-billion dollar plan for a new tunnel across the Hudson, which was the result of decades of planning and cooperation between NY and NJ . It was fully paid for out of federal money.
So we have the Swiss finishing tunnels through the Alps, the Chinese building super trains, and Chris Christie blaming others for his own failures at snow removal.

Gotta love this one! First this so called headshriker says the tunnel was fully paid for with Gov. money. It was? then how come all the bitchin’ about what New York & New Jersey were kicking in if it was fully paid for with Govt. (taxpayer) money?

Oh by the way Choo-Choo Charlie, New Jersey just happens to be working on a high speed section of future rail. Yep, been doing it since 2001, it’s called rehabbing the old Lackawanna cut-off between Port Morris & Columbia NJ.

You see the Lackawanna Cut-Off was originally built in three years, considered a American Marvel at the time. And get this! It was paid for without one penny of Govt. money. Now flash forward to today, after who knows how much Govt. (taxpayer) money has been spent on this rehab project since 2001, how much of this project has been completed?

From Winki: “In 2010, brush removal and general preparation for the relaying of tracks between Port Morris and Andover, NJ was to have begun. However, two problems have surfaced which will result in further delays for this project. The first problem is that of the discovery of wetlands along the Cut-Off’s right-of-way near County Route 605 in Stanhope, NJ (about midway between Port Morris and Roseville Tunnel). These wetlands date back to the construction of the Cut-Off, although adequate drainage previously prevented the right-of-way from flooding. With abandonment of the line, however, regular maintenance on the adjacent drainage ditches ceased, resulting in an area that now technically meets the definition of wetlands, and which will require environmental remediation.”

“The second problem is that an environmental group, the Sierra Club, has raised an objection to brush clearing along the right-of-way during the mating season of the Indiana bat, which runs from April 1 to November 30 of each year. The bat is currently on the list of endangered species in the US.[51] This would mean that brush clearing along the Cut-Off could only occur between December 1 and March 30. It is estimated that the needed brush clearing between Port Morris and Andover, NJ would take about four weeks to complete.”

Well,well,well! Ten years, who knows how much Govt. (taxpayer) money has been spent and a little over 0% completed because a drain is clogged and some Bats have to do the boom, boom.

And Doctor Quackenbush has his panties in a wad because Christie took a trip to Disney World with the family.

Oh, so SuperZERO is actually Jonathan Scott?! That makes sense. After calling those who disagree with Obama traitors, I’d probably change my name too.

mrcalabash said:

“I like to see someone who takes as his screen name a personna of the greatest coward in literary history. Well, he was a good horseman and womanizer”.

I’m glad to see you’re familiar with the character who, in my opinion, is one of the best in modern literature. But in your haste to point out (correctly) that he is a coward and womanizer you forgot one salient point:

The Flashman novels are written in memoir form as told by the elderly General Flashman and, as he states many times, he finally tells the truth about what really happened. He spares no one, especially not himself.

My criticism of the left isn’t based on mere opinion, but on facts that they either deftly dodge or ignore altogether. The modern left is as loathesome as any political party in history, getting what they want by hook or crook. Lies and deceit aren’t just in their rule book. They ARE their rule book. Just win, baby.

So…while the fictional Flashman may have been a liar, he was at least honest in the end. That’s more than the left will ever be able to say.

tatboy said:
“I don’t know about you assholes stuck here in shithole New Jersey during a blizzard, but I had a great five days in sunny Hawaii!”Ladies and gentleman, your rising DNC star.

Too late, dipshit, he already rose to the top. Can’t rise any higher!

Obama’s the most powerful man in the world and Christie is cutting ribbons at a deli in Newark.

Case closed!

Paul Westlake said:
Whenever you hear a sexist, racist, classist, homophobic, or all-around juvenile insult, there’s a 90% chance it’s coming from the righties.

Nope!

We have heard all of that from libs and you.

tatboy said:
I will be more than happy to point out all the hate filled shit you assholes pump out every time it happens to disprove your stupid, dumbass, low IQ inbreed, mouth breather analysis of “90%”. This statement proves how dumb you are, and that you have no integrity.

Nice effort but your totally 100% full of shit. Righties are the worst, most insulting flamethrowers around. Look at how justfactchallenged keeps assaulting unions. You idiots never know when to quit. So cry my river. And you better believe I fight fire with fire. Bunch of fucking foul-mouthed, hate-filled crybabies!

notsofast said:
Nope!

We have heard all of that from libs and you.

Just stuff your head back up your ass where it belongs.

Frank Gaffney Superpatriot! said:
Chris Christie’s ass weighs more than Ed Schultz and Michael Moore combined.

When are you coming out of the closet?

mrcalabash said:
according to the relevant Gallup poll, it’s only 16 percent who believe in a strictly naturalistic view of evolution ….”

You and the poll are entirely irrelevant to the topic.

If you are a Psychologist, you need your head examined. You appear to have multiple personalities all of which are dull, ignorant supercilious and painfully pedantic.

cjd ohio 1 said:
reminds me of a guy that had to leave a press conference to go to a christmas party so he would not piss off his wife, pussies

Had more to do with the staff than his wife. If Obama did what his wife wanted, he wouldn’t have run for office. So who has the stones? Hmm? HAHAHA

Paul Westlake said:
Look at how justfactchallenged keeps assaulting unions.

Fact challenged?

Paul, tell us again how employees are taxed to pay for unemployment compensation.

Paul Westlake said:
Just stuff your head back up your ass where it belongs.

LOL

See how angry the poor ignorant libs have become after 11/02/2010!

It’s over libs! You had 2 years and blew it. America rejected your sorry asses. Again!

Chris "Jesus Christ"ie said:
message me baby and find out.

LOL ! Good One !

ImNotBlue said:
@ Paul

Go tell Michael Moore.

But really, are you on the left really that superficial? Yikes!

True, Michael Moore has chosen to be fat, too. As a thin person, I resent fat people who take up more space than they should and I’m tired of righties turning obesity into a civil rights crusade. Fat people (other than the rare thyroid issue) are selfish and greedy for more more more. For fuck’s sake, drink a glass of water once in a while!

notsofast said:
LOL

See how angry the poor ignorant libs have become after 11/02/2010!

It’s over libs! You had 2 years and blew it. America rejected your sorry asses. Again!

This is still the culmination of 30 years worth of supply-side stupidity foisted on America by the libertarian right wing. I know you’re too stupid to understand economics so that wasn’t really for you. ;-)

Paul Westlake said:
True, Michael Moore has chosen to be fat, too. As a thin person, I resent fat people who take up more space than they should and I’m tired of righties turning obesity into a civil rights crusade. Fat people (other than the rare thyroid issue) are selfish and greedy for more more more. For fuck’s sake, drink a glass of water once in a while!

they drive up health care cost too

@ Paul

Please tell me how you’re statement isn’t bigotry.

notsofast said:
Fact challenged?

Paul, tell us again how employees are taxed to pay for unemployment compensation.

Wow, you still have that hard-on? HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

Hey, dipshit, employers add FUTA to their calculations for the cost of labor, AND, FUTA only taxes the first $7000 of income at a ridiculously low rate. So even THAT tiny victory of yours is minor, ephemeral, and fleeting.

But it sure did give you a HIGH high!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!

ImNotBlue said:
@ Paul

Please tell me how you’re statement isn’t bigotry.

Being fat is a choice. Being a woman, black, or gay is not. Dig it!

MediaWhore said:
Too late, dipshit, he already rose to the top. Can’t rise any higher!

Obama’s the most powerful man in the world and Christie is cutting ribbons at a deli in Newark.

Case closed!

What the hell does Obama being POTUS have to do with your original point about Christie being in Florida (while Obama is in Hawaii)??? Nice to know your guy is getting his fun in the sun while Rome burns. And where was Obama during the gulf oil crisis??? Nice to know you’ll accept such low standards if the person is a Dem.

@ Paul

Please tell me how your statement isn’t bigotry.

Oh, and while we’re at it, tell me how you know Christie’s weight isn’t a medical issue.

And why it matters at all.

cjd ohio 1 said:
they drive up health care cost too

Agreed. But you’re still a sniper. ;-)

Paul Westlake said:
Had more to do with the staff than his wife. If Obama did what his wife wanted, he wouldn’t have run for office. So who has the stones? Hmm? HAHAHA

his wife and his staff, man he cant stand up to anyone

Paul Westlake said:
Agreed. But you’re still a sniper. ;-)

and you still are a pussy, your point

Paul Westlake said:
Agreed. But you’re still a sniper. ;-)

And your still a hate filled troll…. with a low IQ.

^ Oops, double post.

So if someone makes a “choice” you dislike, you believe you owe them no respect.

Interesting.

What would you say to young girls starving themselves to be thin? “Good, fat people are terrible, and you’d be terrible too!” Or is that “different”?

Paul Westlake said:
Hey, dipshit, employers add FUTA to their calculations for the cost of labor, AND, FUTA only taxes the first $7000 of income at a ridiculously low rate. So even THAT tiny victory of yours is minor, ephemeral, and fleeting.

Son, you didn’t know the difference between FUTA and FICA, which can only mean that you are a jobless libby!

Hahahahahah

Paul Westlake said:
Nice effort but your totally 100% full of shit. Righties are the worst, most insulting flamethrowers around. Look at how justfactchallenged keeps assaulting unions. You idiots never know when to quit. So cry my river. And you better believe I fight fire with fire. Bunch of fucking foul-mouthed, hate-filled crybabies!

Face it Paul. If any one of Union whistle blowers are able to testify to the actions in NYC during the storm they should ALL be charged with negligent homicide. Go ahead and keep defending them… looks good on you.

ImNotBlue said:
Oh, and while we’re at it, tell me how you know Christie’s weight isn’t a medical issue.

And why it matters at all.

Here’s how:

“Treating obesity effectively

Clearly, thyroid hormone has NO role to play in the treatment of obesity. It should be used only for the treatment of documented hypothyroidism, suppression of enlarged thyroid glands or nodules, and in thyroid cancer.

The treatment of obesity requires much more than a magic bullet approach, including a better understanding of: possible metabolic defects, psychological stress, resistance to exercise, and triggers to normal hunger and binge eating.

For now, at least, sustained weight loss can only be attained with comprehensive life style changes. It is also important to have realistic expectations of what can be achieved. Attempting to use thyroid hormone for weight loss is not a quick fix – if anything, it is potentially dangerous.”

- http://www.allthyroid.org/wellness/stayingwell/obesity.html

My original point was regarding the backlash to other people’s comments on Christie’s obesity. I didn’t raise it in the first place, but seeing how y’all reacted, I got my digs in. Then I added the rest to round out the point that being fat actually DOES tell us something about those people. Every one of you righties would TOTALLY buy into the idea that Moore is selfish and his fatness proves it, IF this wasn’t a discussion about Christie. And, btw, I’ve never seen a single Moore story on Mediaite that didn’t include several rightie comments calling him fat. So, again, cry me a river.

cjd ohio 1 said:
his wife and his staff, man he cant stand up to anyone

Except that he’s president in defiance of his wife’s wishes. So…

And the reason I said “sniper” again is because I’m not going to change my tune on your dearth of back-up for your contributions just because you said something I agree with. You have more to offer than you do… and you know it.

notsofast said:
Son, you didn’t know the difference between FUTA and FICA, which can only mean that you are a jobless libby!

Hahahahahah

Take you that long to jerk off, eh? Well, keep at it, dogleg, you’ll get their eventually.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!

tatboy said:
And your still a hate filled troll…. with a low IQ.

Really, you have access to my IQ tests (which I never took)? I have more than dispensed with that stupid insult. It would actually be refreshing if one of you idiots could make a salient argument that actually made me think and challenged my assumptions from time to time. But all you guys do is spout the daily Fox talking points. Whatever.

@ Paul

To sum up your reasoning, “Other people say nasty things, so I’m a-gonna do it too!” Weak.

Christie’s weight is relevant when talking about the man, but irrelevant when talking about his job performance, unless it has impacted it.

Furthermore, how does any of this relate to the blizzard? Was there something he should have done, that he didn’t… or do you recognize this to be just a political argument, with the blizzard being an excuse to attack some on disagree with politically?

tatboy said:
Face it Paul. If any one of Union whistle blowers are able to testify to the actions in NYC during the storm they should ALL be charged with negligent homicide. Go ahead and keep defending them… looks good on you.

IF it turns out that any person intentionally withheld vital services during an emergency, YES, I agree 100% with charging them. I think involuntary manslaughter is the most you could go for, but I don’t disagree with the principle. There’s a time and place for sending messages and the middle of a blizzard in a city of nearly 9 million isn’t one of them. But if you think that serves as an indictment on all unions everywhere, you’re just being hyper-partisan.

tatboy said:
What the hell does Obama being POTUS have to do with your original point about Christie being in Florida (while Obama is in Hawaii)???

You tell me, dipshit. You’re the one who insisted on bringing him up:

tatboy said:
“I don’t know about you assholes stuck here in shithole New Jersey during a blizzard, but I had a great five days in sunny Hawaii!”Ladies and gentleman, your rising DNC star.

Not much of a memory there douche:

tatboy said:
Your attempt to keep him out is pathetic…. and proves our point. Pwned.

Real clever with your pwned usage too. 2005 much?

ImNotBlue said:
To sum up your reasoning, “Other people say nasty things, so I’m a-gonna do it too!” Weak.

Fighting fire with fire isn’t weak, it’s just another approach. Armwood like to go professorial, I like to take out the shovel when I see notsoswift and just4thehacks soiling the thread. Want to police someone, start with your own.

ImNotBlue said:
Christie’s weight is relevant when talking about the man, but irrelevant when talking about his job performance, unless it has impacted it.

Actually, I consider people who choose to be fat selfish, and that WOULD affect my vote.

ImNotBlue said:
Furthermore, how does any of this relate to the blizzard? Was there something he should have done, that he didn’t… or do you recognize this to be just a political argument, with the blizzard being an excuse to attack some on disagree with politically?

Yeah, totally political. But as Rollins said, it’s about the optics, and Christie takes advantage of optics every chance he gets. Live by the optic, die by the optic. Comes with the territory. Don’t try to convince me that all the right-wing criticism of Obama is purely policy-based. That would be insane! No? ;-)

It’s fucking snow, people. Grow up.

cjd ohio 1 said:
reminds me of a guy that had to leave a press conference to go to a christmas party so he would not piss off his wife, pussies

True, but at least he left a President in charge.

Jonathan Scott said:
Jonathan Scott says:
January 1, 2011 at 2:50 pm  (Quote)
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Chris “Jesus Christ”ie said:
message me baby and find out.
LOL ! Good One !

Complimenting your own thoroughly inane post is the most pathetic thing I’ve seen here. And that’s saying something.

Pablo said:
It’s fucking snow, people. Grow up.

Well, it looks like a couple people died due to lack of snow removal in NYC, including a newborn baby that would have been just fine in a hospital. Yes, it’s just snow, but it was 22″ in about 12 hours and the city wound up 400 people short of its normal snow-removal force. The meme that unions intentionally slowed down to send a message is much LESS likely than the reality that budget cuts have hampered city services. Bloomberg doesn’t want to own up to his role in this. But if it turns out that workers really were slowing down to send a message, that’s also a pretty big deal. There’s still some fallout to come.

Paul Westlake said:
Well, it looks like a couple people died due to lack of snow removal in NYC, including a newborn baby that would have been just fine in a hospital. Yes, it’s just snow, but it was 22″ in about 12 hours and the city wound up 400 people short of its normal snow-removal force. The meme that unions intentionally slowed down to send a message is much LESS likely than the reality that budget cuts have hampered city services. Bloomberg doesn’t want to own up to his role in this. But if it turns out that workers really were slowing down to send a message, that’s also a pretty big deal. There’s still some fallout to come.

Yes, that’s true. You have utter incompetents and perhaps some criminals to thanks for that. NYC used to know how to deal with a foot and a half of snow. But when public safety and the proper performance of one’s public works job becomes a bargaining chip, bad things happen.

We got about 4″ less than NYC and all systems were go by daybreak. Whatever NYC’s snow removal dysfunction is, it seems confined to NYC.

puck30 said:
Gotta love this one! First this so called headshriker says the tunnel was fully paid for with Gov. money. It was? then how come all the bitchin’ about what New York & New Jersey were kicking in if it was fully paid for with Govt. (taxpayer) money?

Shame, isn’t it? We New Jerseyans are still on the hook for MILLIONS of dollars despite Christie’s cancelling of the ARC project. Haven’t you read the news, Puck?

“N.J. is formally told to pay federal government $271M for canceling ARC tunnel…
New Jersey owes the federal government more than $271 million after canceling a rail tunnel connecting the state with New York, according to a debt notice obtained today by The Associated Press.

The letter from the Federal Transit Administration’s chief financial officer to NJ Transit’s executive director demands payment of $271,101,291 by Dec. 24.

It’s money the government wants New Jersey to repay for work done on the Hudson River tunnel before Republican Gov. Chris Christie terminated the project. The notification follows a warning letter earlier this month estimating the charges.”
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2010/11/nj_formally_told_to_pay_federa.html

And for all these Christie apologists on here claiming that the State’s blizzard response here in New Jersey was “just fine”….

“STATE highways in Monmouth County remained snow-clogged three days after the blizzard, with only one open lane in each direction on routes, which one state legislator blames on a state of emergency banning nonessential traffic not being declared early Sunday.

Frustrated drivers interviewed along hard-hit Routes 36 and 71 gave the state Department of Transportation failing grades for its response to the storm….

…”If there is one mistake the administration and (acting Gov. Stephen) Sweeney made, they should have declared an emergency sooner on Sunday, and that would have kept the cars off the road,” Kean said. “Plows couldn’t do their jobs with the roads blocked.”

Sweeney’s state of emergency declaration, which he said did not include a ban on travel, has a 6:05 p.m. time stamp and was announced at 7:55 p.m., seven to eight hours after the snow started….

…Three other legislators representing part of Monmouth County said “there was clearly a disconnect in communication between the state, county and local governments.”

The DOT has 427 state trucks, down from the 642 it had last winter, and another 1,331 private vehicles under contract that can be deployed to clear 12,953 lane miles of interstate and state highways. The number of private-contractor vehicles is down from the 1,489 the state said it could deploy last winter, but remains the second-highest level on record. About 1,500 DOT employees and volunteers are assigned to 76 crews.

Paul Pologruto, treasurer for Communications Workers of America Local 1032, which represents half of the DOT workforce, said the state does not have enough snow-response employees or trucks.”

http://www.dailyrecord.com/article/20101230/UPDATES01/101230016/NJ-DOT-chief-defends-response-to-blizzard

Yeah, New Jersey was “just fine.” While Christie was lounging in Disneyworld, up here in New Jersey???:

“Meanwhile, cleanup efforts by the state Department of Transportation have been criticized by some local officials.
\
Wall police Capt. Tim Clayton on Monday said state roads either hadn’t been plowed or had been plowed poorly — citing Routes 18 and 138 as examples — and other officials in other towns said the conditions of Routes 33, 34, 35, 36 and 66 in the Shore area and highways in other parts of the state remained in poor shape for too long….
…State Transportation Commissioner James Simpson called Monmouth County, especially a 10-mile section of Route 18 between Routes 34 and 138, “ground zero” for abandoned trucks and cars, 6-foot-high snow drifts and stuck plows.

“Ground zero got hit hard in Monmouth County from Monmouth Beach to Howell,” Simpson said. “(A 10-mile section of) Route 18 is still closed, it will be open in the morning (Wednesday).”

http://www.dailyrecord.com/article/20101229/UPDATES01/101229023/Monmouth-and-Ocean-County-NJ-towns-state-face-storm-of-protests-over-unplowed-streets

“Deep budget cuts are partly to blame for the slow cleanup following the blizzard that blanketed the Garden State this week, some municipal leaders said Thursday….
…Gov. Chris Christie cut more than $450 million in aid to municipalities in his budget this year, but his spokesman said the state is not to blame for the problems with the storm.
“We can sympathize, but at the same time, Trenton cannot be the answer for all budget problems, including the impact of the first snowstorm of the season on particular towns or regions of the state,” spokesman Michael Drewniak said.

Drewniak noted that municipalities and counties can apply for federal disaster relief funds.”
http://www.dailyrecord.com/article/20101231/COMMUNITIES/312310004/Blizzard-highlights-effects-of-budget-cuts-in-NJ

And as if on CUE, what does Governor “Budget-slasher-shrink-the-size-of-federal-government-for-spending-money” Christie do as soon as he finally gets back to New Jersey?

“New Jersey Governor Chris Christie is seeking federal disaster aid to help pay for the costs of this week’s blizzard. Christie made the announcement in Monmouth County, one of the areas that got the most snow.”
http://www.newsworks.org/index.php/homepage-feature/item/10280-31pggov&Itemid=1

So Christie is going to increase the federal deficit by billing the country for a disaster he himself primarily created by irresponsible state budget cuts?

This is your Messiah, right wingers?

–Cobra

Paul Westlake said:
Yeah, totally political. But as Rollins said, it’s about the optics, and Christie takes advantage of optics every chance he gets. Live by the optic, die by the optic.

Actually, it’s about snow. Plow it or don’t.

Cobra said:
…”If there is one mistake the administration and (acting Gov. Stephen) Sweeney made, they should have declared an emergency sooner on Sunday, and that would have kept the cars off the road,” Kean said. “Plows couldn’t do their jobs with the roads blocked.”

People who don’t have the good sense to get off the damn road before they get stuck are too stupid to drive in the winter.

Did you get your car back yet, Darren?

Pablo said:
Yes, that’s true. You have utter incompetents and perhaps some criminals to thanks for that. NYC used to know how to deal with a foot and a half of snow. But when public safety and the proper performance of one’s public works job becomes a bargaining chip, bad things happen.

So you immediately and automatically assume it was liberals trying to kill people. Charming.

The asshole side of you keeps trumping the idiot side of you. Ergo, no soup for you!

Pablo said:
Actually, it’s about snow. Plow it or don’t.

Nice try but this is politics, kid. Nothing is ever about what it is. ;-)

Telling your children they couldn’t go to Disneyland…Well hell no Mr.Christie, your children’s emotional health was at stake, wasn’t it? And a few hundred thousand peoples emergency’s sure as hell didn’t rise to the level of disappointing your little bastard, did it?!!

Two stories on a republican governor’s family vacation and NOTHING about the cost of Obama’s trek to Hawaii?

Interesting (not really; expected). Hehimself gets a pass on mediaite, as do most/all libbies, but hey, a republican governor takes a vacay and all hell breaks lose here. Funny that.

Cobra said:
Shame, isn’t it? We New Jerseyans are still on the hook for MILLIONS of dollars despite Christie’s cancelling of the ARC project. Haven’t you read the news, Puck?

“N.J. is formally told to pay federal government $271M for canceling ARC tunnel…
New Jersey owes the federal government more than $271 million after canceling a rail tunnel connecting the state with New York, according to a debt notice obtained today by The Associated Press.

The letter from the Federal Transit Administration’s chief financial officer to NJ Transit’s executive director demands payment of $271,101,291 by Dec. 24.

It’s money the government wants New Jersey to repay for work done on the Hudson River tunnel before Republican Gov. Chris Christie terminated the project. The notification follows a warning letter earlier this month estimating the charges.”
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2010/11/nj_formally_told_to_pay_federa.html

And for all these Christie apologists on here claiming that the State’s blizzard response here in New Jersey was “just fine”….

“STATE highways in Monmouth County remained snow-clogged three days after the blizzard, with only one open lane in each direction on routes, which one state legislator blames on a state of emergency banning nonessential traffic not being declared early Sunday.

Frustrated drivers interviewed along hard-hit Routes 36 and 71 gave the state Department of Transportation failing grades for its response to the storm….

…”If there is one mistake the administration and (acting Gov. Stephen) Sweeney made, they should have declared an emergency sooner on Sunday, and that would have kept the cars off the road,” Kean said. “Plows couldn’t do their jobs with the roads blocked.”

Sweeney’s state of emergency declaration, which he said did not include a ban on travel, has a 6:05 p.m. time stamp and was announced at 7:55 p.m., seven to eight hours after the snow started….

…Three other legislators representing part of Monmouth County said “there was clearly a disconnect in communication between the state, county and local governments.”

The DOT has 427 state trucks, down from the 642 it had last winter, and another 1,331 private vehicles under contract that can be deployed to clear 12,953 lane miles of interstate and state highways. The number of private-contractor vehicles is down from the 1,489 the state said it could deploy last winter, but remains the second-highest level on record. About 1,500 DOT employees and volunteers are assigned to 76 crews.

Paul Pologruto, treasurer for Communications Workers of America Local 1032, which represents half of the DOT workforce, said the state does not have enough snow-response employees or trucks.”

http://www.dailyrecord.com/article/20101230/UPDATES01/101230016/NJ-DOT-chief-defends-response-to-blizzard

Yeah, New Jersey was “just fine.” While Christie was lounging in Disneyworld, up here in New Jersey???:

“Meanwhile, cleanup efforts by the state Department of Transportation have been criticized by some local officials.
\
Wall police Capt. Tim Clayton on Monday said state roads either hadn’t been plowed or had been plowed poorly — citing Routes 18 and 138 as examples — and other officials in other towns said the conditions of Routes 33, 34, 35, 36 and 66 in the Shore area and highways in other parts of the state remained in poor shape for too long….
…State Transportation Commissioner James Simpson called Monmouth County, especially a 10-mile section of Route 18 between Routes 34 and 138, “ground zero” for abandoned trucks and cars, 6-foot-high snow drifts and stuck plows.

“Ground zero got hit hard in Monmouth County from Monmouth Beach to Howell,” Simpson said. “(A 10-mile section of) Route 18 is still closed, it will be open in the morning (Wednesday).”

http://www.dailyrecord.com/article/20101229/UPDATES01/101229023/Monmouth-and-Ocean-County-NJ-towns-state-face-storm-of-protests-over-unplowed-streets

“Deep budget cuts are partly to blame for the slow cleanup following the blizzard that blanketed the Garden State this week, some municipal leaders said Thursday….
…Gov. Chris Christie cut more than $450 million in aid to municipalities in his budget this year, but his spokesman said the state is not to blame for the problems with the storm.
“We can sympathize, but at the same time, Trenton cannot be the answer for all budget problems, including the impact of the first snowstorm of the season on particular towns or regions of the state,” spokesman Michael Drewniak said.

Drewniak noted that municipalities and counties can apply for federal disaster relief funds.”
http://www.dailyrecord.com/article/20101231/COMMUNITIES/312310004/Blizzard-highlights-effects-of-budget-cuts-in-NJ

And as if on CUE, what does Governor “Budget-slasher-shrink-the-size-of-federal-government-for-spending-money” Christie do as soon as he finally gets back to New Jersey?

“New Jersey Governor Chris Christie is seeking federal disaster aid to help pay for the costs of this week’s blizzard. Christie made the announcement in Monmouth County, one of the areas that got the most snow.”
http://www.newsworks.org/index.php/homepage-feature/item/10280-31pggov&Itemid=1

So Christie is going to increase the federal deficit by billing the country for a disaster he himself primarily created by irresponsible state budget cuts?

This is your Messiah, right wingers?

–Cobra

Bingo! Very well constructed. This is the future the conservatives are ushering in. Houses burning to the ground and snow piling up everywhere will be the norms in the libertarian future. Get used to it, austerity is just getting started. With all the money we have to give the corporate elite every year rising to ever-higher levels, there just won’t be enough money left over for anything else. They’ll blame liberals, of course, when the country starts to fall apart completely… but by then it won’t matter. We’ll be China’s bitch soon enough anyway.

CAconservative said:
Telling your children they couldn’t go to Disneyland…Well hell no Mr.Christie, your children’s emotional health was at stake, wasn’t it? And a few hundred thousand peoples emergency’s sure as hell didn’t rise to the level of disappointing your little bastard, did it?!!

I know that wasn’t easy for you to post on this site. Bravo. ;-)

Paul Westlake said:
Bingo! Very well constructed. This is the future the conservatives are ushering in. Houses burning to the ground and snow piling up everywhere will be the norms in the libertarian future. Get used to it, austerity is just getting started. With all the money we have to give the corporate elite every year rising to ever-higher levels, there just won’t be enough money left over for anything else. They’ll blame liberals, of course, when the country starts to fall apart completely… but by then it won’t matter. We’ll be China’s bitch soon enough anyway.

No sweetie, that’s the hole you progressives have spent yourselves into. And that nasty, awful governor just refused to pour a few more untold billions into another hole in the ground! You poor things.

BTW, what money are you having to give to corporate elites?

Paul Westlake said:
Nice try but this is politics, kid. Nothing is ever about what it is. ;-)

That is the problem. Hence, YOU are the problem.

Jonathan Scott said:
Exactly which is why I call Chris Christie the fat POS he is. Teabagger Republicans have proven time and time again that they can dish it out but are superpussies when it is returned to them.

Jonathan Scott said:
Further proof at what complete cry babies the right are. Aww poor baby you seem real mad, did we hurt your feelings?

Missed these before… Yep, typical of the stunted emotional personalities on the extreme right, they sure can dish it out, all day every day, but when it comes to manning up, not a chance! LOL!

Pablo said:
That is the problem. Hence, YOU are the problem.

Right, because I set the political tone for the nation. Don’t forget to flush, Pabs. LOL

Paul Westlake said:
So you immediately and automatically assume it was liberals trying to kill people. Charming.

Why is it that when I said incompetents and criminals, you immediately thought of liberals? Did anyone else do that? :-)

Pablo said:
No sweetie, that’s the hole you progressives have spent yourselves into. And that nasty, awful governor just refused to pour a few more untold billions into another hole in the ground! You poor things.

BTW, what money are you having to give to corporate elites?

Are you high? Oil and gas, food production, energy distribution, rural electrification (including private profit), rural broadband (including private profit), discount rate funds for big banks, and on and on and on, not to mention making up for the shortfall created by allowing corporations to out-source their labor forces and off-shore their profits. But thanks for calling me “sweetie!” THAT was special! ;-)

Paul Westlake said:
Missed these before…

Thanks for the compliment . I ‘ M AWESOME !

Pablo said:
But when public safety and the proper performance of one’s public works job becomes a bargaining chip, bad things happen.

“one’s public works job”

You’re an idiot on your best day.

Paul Westlake said:
IF it turns out that any person intentionally withheld vital services during an emergency, YES, I agree 100% with charging them. I think involuntary manslaughter is the most you could go for, but I don’t disagree with the principle. There’s a time and place for sending messages and the middle of a blizzard in a city of nearly 9 million isn’t one of them. But if you think that serves as an indictment on all unions everywhere, you’re just being hyper-partisan.

You have shown in the past you are willing to indite a group of people based on the actions of a few. Why shouldn’t other people do it as well. Why the double standard?

Jonathan Scott said:
Thanks for the compliment . I ‘ M AWESOME !

lol

Paul Westlake said:
Really, you have access to my IQ tests (which I never took)? I have more than dispensed with that stupid insult. It would actually be refreshing if one of you idiots could make a salient argument that actually made me think and challenged my assumptions from time to time. But all you guys do is spout the daily Fox talking points. Whatever.

You have shown in the past you are willing to indite people intelligence bast on their posts. I do the same. Why the double standard???

tatboy said:
You have shown in the past you are willing to indite a group of people based on the actions of a few.

When? Seriously, when? My blanket distrust of corporate power is not based on some random isolated incidents, it’s based on the wholesale destruction of a rational economy brought about by excessive corporate greed across the board. As for conservatives, so many of you think and act as one machine, how can anyone NOT make the association? Seriously, you’ll have to do better than that!

Oops, I read that wrong… I thought you were saying “groups” in general, not specifically the people here…

As for that, please, this is the flamethrowers convention around here. Don’t get all crybaby on me now.

The Democrats have a long history of blaming the results of bad weather on Republicans. Too hot, too cold, too wet, too dry. Who looks bad here, Christie or the leftwing media who didn’t want him to take his kids to Disney World? A pretty easy call, no?

felixw said:
The Democrats have a long history of blaming the results of bad weather on Republicans. Too hot, too cold, too wet, too dry. Who looks bad here, Christie or the leftwing media who didn’t want him to take his kids to Disney World? A pretty easy call, no?

Yep, easy to call you a partisan hack who never backs anything up with credible facts. And you make it easier every time you post.

Paul Westlake said:
Are you high? Oil and gas, food production, energy distribution, rural electrification (including private profit), rural broadband (including private profit), discount rate funds for big banks, and on and on and on, not to mention making up for the shortfall created by allowing corporations to out-source their labor forces and off-shore their profits. But thanks for calling me “sweetie!” THAT was special! ;-)

Those are things. Tell me about the MONEY you have to GIVE to corporate elites. Oil and gas you buy, you do not have to and you do not “give” money for them. Same goes for food. (You can hunt and grow veggies, right?) I’ve worked on a number of rural broadband projects and the government didn’t GIVE Verizon any money to build them. Government programs that do such things do not GIVE money to those who build them, they are hired to provide services. The GIFT is to the people who get the services we pay for.

“discount rate funds for big banks”

Again, explain the money you GIVE in that.

not to mention making up for the shortfall created by allowing corporations to out-source their labor forces and off-shore their profits.

Allowing corporations? Do you own a corporation, Paul? Who the hell are you to allow them to do anything? THEIR MONEY IS NOT YOURS, LEECH.

Paul Westlake said:
Yep, easy to call you a partisan hack who never backs anything up with credible facts. And you make it easier every time you post.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA……… Fucking right wing douchebags !

Pablo said:
Those are things. Tell me about the MONEY you have to GIVE to corporate elites. Oil and gas you buy, you do not have to and you do not “give” money for them. Same goes for food. (You can hunt and grow veggies, right?) I’ve worked on a number of rural broadband projects and the government didn’t GIVE Verizon any money to build them. Government programs that do such things do not GIVE money to those who build them, they are hired to provide services. The GIFT is to the people who get the services we pay for.

Again, explain the money you GIVE in that.

Allowing corporations? Do you own a corporation, Paul? Who the hell are you to allow them to do anything? THEIR MONEY IS NOT YOURS, LEECH.

YES IT IS, YOU FUCKING MORON!!! ALL wealth is created by the commons! Without the social contract THERE IS NO WEALTH! Want proof? Go build a business in Somalia… and good luck with that! YES, that money belongs to US! And ALL those programs get TAX dollars, which WE pay. You get this concept perfectly well when it comes to medicare, but conveniently forget ALL about it when it comes time to talking about the conservative welfare state – corporate subsidies. Yes, rural projects benefit the republicans who live there, and ALSO the companies that provide the services or they wouldn’t do it. You kind of stupidity really pisses me off!

Paul Westlake said:
When? Seriously, when? My blanket distrust of corporate power is not based on some random isolated incidents, it’s based on the wholesale destruction of a rational economy brought about by excessive corporate greed across the board. As for conservatives, so many of you think and act as one machine, how can anyone NOT make the association? Seriously, you’ll have to do better than that!

And as for liberals, so many of you think and act as one… blah, blah, blah. Same goes for you guys… Seriously???

Paul Westlake said:
Oops, I read that wrong… I thought you were saying “groups” in general, not specifically the people here…

As for that, please, this is the flamethrowers convention around here. Don’t get all crybaby on me now.

No crying here. Just pointing out the BS.

tatboy said:
And as for liberals, so many of you think and act as one… blah, blah, blah. Same goes for you guys…

No it doesn’t. The left has been at its own throat practically since the beginning of the Obama administration. For crying out loud, the oldest Dem joke in the book is Will Rogers’ “I belong to no organized party, I’m a Democrat.” You can say all kinds of things about the Dems and liberals to be sure, but the notion that we all march in lock step is preposterous on its face. That’s the purview of the right, and you know it.

tatboy said:
No crying here. Just pointing out the BS.

And yes you are crying. Whining like a little baby. You want to be the politeness police, start with your own and then I’ll take you seriously.

tatboy said:
So why is Obama extending HIS vacation when the country is in the condition it is in??? Hypocrite.

Obama should move the White House to Hawaii for the next two years. Since Hawaii is 6 hours behind Washington by the time all the decisions are made Obama will just be getting off the golf course and go on to the 19th hole for a beer and a smoke.

Paul Westlake said:
You kind of stupidity really pisses me off!

Your repeatedly failed communist claptrap pisses me off. But maybe this time it will work without killing a hundred million people!

Oh, and given the chance, I would end all subsidies yesterday.

mcf1757 said:
Looks like Mayor Corey Booker will soon be Governor Booker!!! 2013 coming fast New Jersey!!!

i heard a story he was sending out tweets as to when people would be plowed out.

tatboy said:
My blanket distrust of corporate power is not based on some random isolated incidents, it’s based on the wholesale destruction of a rational economy brought about by excessive corporate greed across the board.

Paul, should the influence in corporations in your life end tomorrow, by Monday morning you’d be on your knees crying and begging for them to bring their stuff back.

Paul Westlake said:

And yes you are crying. Whining like a little baby. You want to be the politeness police, start with your own and then I’ll take you seriously.

I have no interest in being the “politeness police”, but I am interested in pointing out total bullshit when I see it. And you sir are full of it (in my best Olbermann voice). And you can call it crying all you want, but calling piss champagne don’t make it so.

Paul Westlake said:
“one’s public works job”

You’re an idiot on your best day.

You’re an idiot if you don’t think that’s grammatically correct. Is that what you’re trying to tell me, Paul?

Pablo said:
Paul, should the influence in corporations in your life end tomorrow, by Monday morning you’d be on your knees crying and begging for them to bring their stuff back.

Not in NYC I wouldn’t. We still have a thriving small business economy and plenty of upstate farms to feed us. Congrats on wanting to end subsidies but your constant paranoia about communism is misplaced. Nothing more perfectly reflect Stalinism than the corporate hierarchy. I wonder how many of you corporate apologists have actually worked within the corporate structure. Having worked full-time for companies like Unilever and Major League Baseball, and on media projects with countless others, I have some experience with these people. The way you guys talk about corporations makes it clear that you don’t. And since you’re anonymous, I have no way of knowing if anything you say is true, so don’t bother unless you want to reveal your identity. Youir propaganda is stale. Time to upgrade.

Pablo said:
Paul, should the influence in corporations in your life end tomorrow, by Monday morning you’d be on your knees crying and begging for them to bring their stuff back.

That’s why the latest census shows the US population getting the FUCK OUT of all the Dem states and moving to states that vote to the right. ALL the states that lost house seats… Dem states. BTW Paul… if you system is so great why the hell are people running from it like rats from a ship??? How’s that Kalifornia economy doing with all the sky high spending???

Pablo said:
You’re an idiot if you don’t think that’s grammatically correct. Is that what you’re trying to tell me, Paul?

No, it was the answer to one of your posts that brought the wrong highlighted text down. Here’s what it was supposed to be…

Pablo said:
Why is it that when I said incompetents and criminals, you immediately thought of liberals? Did anyone else do that? :-)

Pablo said:
But when public safety and the proper performance of one’s public works job becomes a bargaining chip, bad things happen.

“one’s public works job”

Not about grammar, about you not remembering your own point. ;-)

Grey Davis ran Kalifornia into the ground and it ain’t coming back. Way to go. Took the worlds 9th largest economy, and over 1 generation drove it into the ground.

tatboy said:
That’s why the latest census shows the US population getting the FUCK OUT of all the Dem states and moving to states that vote to the right. ALL the states that lost house seats… Dem states. BTW Paul… if you system is so great why the hell are people running from it like rats from a ship??? How’s that Kalifornia economy doing with all the sky high spending???

Spelling California with a “K” is so cool! What an idiot.

NYC is growing still. The State lost population over the past decade, but the city continued to grow. And the reason is because conservative supply-side economics has gutted upstate and the western tier. There are no jobs there anymore, so people are moving, yes. And NYC is way too expensive for many people to move into so they move to other states. A comprehensive understanding of migration patterns requires a bit more than a poll and census.

Paul Westlake said:
Spelling California with a “K” is so cool! What an idiot.

You’re right… you guys NEVER do shit like that.

tatboy said:
Grey Davis ran Kalifornia into the ground and it ain’t coming back. Way to go. Took the worlds 9th largest economy, and over 1 generation drove it into the ground.

California and New York are creditor states – we send way more money to Washington than we get in return. The vast majority of creditor states are blue. The vast majority of debtor states are red. That’s a fact, and I’ve posted the charts that prove that on these boards multiple times. NY and CA are going broke becasue we’re floating the red states. I can’t wait to see if the GOP succeeds in abolishing income tax and enacting a national sales tax – except for the fact that NY and CA will have to erect electrified fences to keep all the red state refugees out, it’ll be a blast! Can’t wait to see the Wyoming delegation begging the NYC mayor for a loan! Awesome!

tatboy said:
You’re right… you guys NEVER do shit like that.

Oh, right, because I’m just like everyone else. Weren’t you making a point about that recently?

tatboy said:
You have shown in the past you are willing to indite a group of people based on the actions of a few.

I really don’t care either way. I know what to expect here so instead of trying to police it, I just pull out the shovel and start swinging. If you want people to live up to your standards, you should try living up to them yourself.

Paul Westlake said:
Not in NYC I wouldn’t. We still have a thriving small business economy and plenty of upstate farms to feed us.

The vast majority of all of those are corporations, Paul.

Congrats on wanting to end subsidies but your constant paranoia about communism is misplaced. Nothing more perfectly reflect Stalinism than the corporate hierarchy.

Ummmm, yeah. All they’re missing is the jackboots and the ability to create law at whim. Brilliant.

I wonder how many of you corporate apologists have actually worked within the corporate structure.

Who hasn’t? I currently work (ultimately) for an Italian based multinational corporation. The last jobs I can remember having that didn’t involve a corporation were when I worked for my father as a kid and when I was in the Air Force.

Having worked full-time for companies like Unilever and Major League Baseball, and on media projects with countless others, I have some experience with these people. The way you guys talk about corporations makes it clear that you don’t.

Statements like that make it clear that you’re an idiot who enjoys jumping to unfounded conclusions.

And since you’re anonymous, I have no way of knowing if anything you say is true, so don’t bother unless you want to reveal your identity. Youir propaganda is stale. Time to upgrade.

OHNOES! A lunatic on the intertubes doesn’t believe me! Whatever shall I do?

Paul Westlake said:
Well, it looks like a couple people died due to lack of snow removal in NYC, including a newborn baby that would have been just fine in a hospital.

This ain’t about NYC- It’s about New Jersey. I guess you didn’t realize they are 2 different places either.

Paul Westlake said:
California and New York are creditor states – we send way more money to Washington than we get in return. The vast majority of creditor states are blue. The vast majority of debtor states are red.

Again, Paul doesn’t comprehend the difference between spending money on products and services and giving money away. If you want to know who’s a creditor and who’s a debtor, you look at the balance sheet. And if I’m not mistaken, we’re sent well over a trillion to Wall Street and Detroit over the last couple of years.

NY and CA are going broke becasue we’re floating the red states.

The states are paying Federal taxes? Uh, no.

Paul Westlake said:
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NYC is growing still. The State lost population over the past decade, but the city continued to grow. And the reason is because conservative supply-side economics has gutted upstate and the western tier. There are no jobs there anymore, so people are moving, yes. And NYC is way too expensive for many people to move into so they move to other states. A comprehensive understanding of migration patterns requires a bit more than a poll and census.

Every state is still growing dumbass. It’s the RATE at which a state grows that matters. Pointing out that NYC is still growing…. REALLY… so is North Dakota big whoop. Thanks for the info. And understanding migration patterns do involve many facts 2 of them being polls and the census. I thought you would understand that since you claim to be so highly intelligent… I was clearly wrong. Maybe high labor costs (unions) driving jobs overseas might have something to do with gutting areas of industry along with supply side Reagonomics (I am not a supply sidder BTW). Why do you think “South Detroit” (where Honda’s & Toyota’s are made) is doing so well.

Cobra said:
Paul Pologruto, treasurer for Communications Workers of America Local 1032, which represents half of the DOT workforce, said the state does not have enough snow-response employees or trucks.”

Hr is a union shill- what do you think he is going to say?

Paul Westlake said:
The State lost population over the past decade, but the city continued to grow. And the reason is because conservative supply-side economics has gutted upstate and the western tier.

So, why is Texas growing and not shrinking?

Pablo said:
The vast majority of all of those are corporations, Paul.

No they aren’t. Factory farming is midwestern and western phenomenon. NY State is still chock full of family farms and I have two thriving farmers markets twice a week within walking distance where I can support those upstate farmers. Sorry, kid. You’re all wet on that one.

Pablo said:
Ummmm, yeah. All they’re missing is the jackboots and the ability to create law at whim. Brilliant.

Except they do have the ability to make, practically, at will. Or maybe you haven’t heard of lobbyists and campaign donations. Those are concepts you should become familiar with.

Pablo said:
I currently work (ultimately) for an Italian based multinational corporation.

In other words, you work for a small business that is either owned or contracts with the multinational. So you don’t actually have any corporate experience yourself… because dad doesn’t count. You couldn’t get a corporate job in NYC if your life depended on it.

Pablo said:
Statements like that make it clear that you’re an idiot who enjoys jumping to unfounded conclusions.

Right, because personal experience is TOTALLY unfounded. I think my old admin resume is still floating around Monster.com if you want to verify my background. But you, you’re just an anonymous flamethrower with no way to prove anything about yourself as long as you remain anonymous. So everything you say is bullshit as far as I’m concerned. Everything.

Pablo said:
OHNOES! A lunatic on the intertubes doesn’t believe me! Whatever shall I do?

Be honest for a change. ;-)

Paul Westlake said:
Having worked full-time for companies like Unilever and Major League Baseball, and on media projects with countless others, I have some experience with these people. The way you guys talk about corporations makes it clear that you don’t.

The fact that you didn’t know the difference between FICA and FUTA shows you never worked for a paycheck- the only jobs you would have worked, had you had one, were ones that made cash payments at the end of the day only.

tatboy said:
Every state is still growing dumbass. It’s the RATE at which a state grows that matters. Pointing out that NYC is still growing…. REALLY… so is North Dakota big whoop. Thanks for the info. And understanding migration patterns do involve many facts 2 of them being polls and the census. I thought you would understand that since you claim to be so highly intelligent… I was clearly wrong. Maybe high labor costs (unions) driving jobs overseas might have something to do with gutting areas of industry along with supply side Reagonomics (I am not a supply sidder BTW). Why do you think “South Detroit” (where Honda’s & Toyota’s are made) is doing so well.

No, dipshit, upstate NY actually lost population. And South Detroit is NOT doing well. In fact, the entire Detroit metro region is one of the most depressed regions of the country.

Paul Westlake said:

I really don’t care either way. I know what to expect here so instead of trying to police it, I just pull out the shovel and start swinging. If you want people to live up to your standards, you should try living up to them yourself.

And I know what to expect from the likes of you and yours so I do the same.

Pablo said:
So, why is Texas growing and not shrinking?

Texas is also a creditor state and much of the growth in TX is immigration, legal and illegal. And also, Texas is turning purple fast. It’ll be blue in a generation.

tatboy said:
And I know what to expect from the likes of you and yours so I do the same.

Oh, preemptive defense. I get it! Asshole.

notsofast said:
The fact that you didn’t know the difference between FICA and FUTA shows you never worked for a paycheck- the only jobs you would have worked, had you had one, were ones that made cash payments at the end of the day only.

Where is FUTA on a paycheck?

Your head popped out, get it tucked!

Paul Westlake said:
No, dipshit, upstate NY actually lost population. And South Detroit is NOT doing well. In fact, the entire Detroit metro region is one of the most depressed regions of the country.

GAWD YOUR FUCKING STUPID!!! “South Detroit” is in the FUCKING SOUTH you asswipe!!! FUCK your stupid!!! JESUS TAP DANCING CHRIST!!! That’s why they call it “south” Detroit… it’s in the fucking southern states.

Cobra said:
Cobra says:
January 1, 2011 at 3:29 pm Cobra(Quote)

Poor Cobra- you left this out from the dailyrecord quote:

“Municipal administrators say they would have struggled with the cleanup regardless, but the scarce resources didn’t help. Other say it several factors created bad timing: The storm hit when many city workers were on vacation and as towns that operate on a calendar year were winding down their budgets, having already spent money on cleanup for heavy snowstorms at the beginning of the year.”

BTW, how did that Gitmo closing work out for ya?

notsofast said:
This ain’t about NYC- It’s about New Jersey. I guess you didn’t realize they are 2 different places either.

Isn’t it time for your annual bath?

Paul Westlake said:
Where is FUTA on a paycheck?

It ain’t libby! But FICA is!

LOL

You are such an angry and hateful little lib!

Paul Westlake said:
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Paul, NYC and NJ are not the same, son.

All the foreign car makers built there factories in the south where unions are not welcome. Hence the nick name “South Detroit”. It encompasses the area these car makes built their plants… and there doing quite well.

tatboy said:
GAWD YOUR FUCKING STUPID!!! “South Detroit” is in the FUCKING SOUTH you asswipe!!! FUCK your stupid!!! JESUS TAP DANCING CHRIST!!! That’s why they call it “south” Detroit… it’s in the fucking southern states.

Oh, my bad. The car companies should have been a giveaway. I read too fast. But that point is stupid, too, since the states that brought those factories in are doing it by using massive tax abatements and subsidies. That shell game works great for the corporations, and crushes tax receipts. Nice work, supply-siders.

And listen, I know how pumped you were to finally catch me making a mistake, but it was a mistake. It would put my intelligence against yours any day of the week and seriously mop the floor with your sorry ass every single time. You and notsoswift get REALLY pumped when you can earn a cheap win over something trivial, but you can’t actually win a real debate about anything, because even your ephemeral victories are shallow and self-defeating. And one last thing, as far as I can tell, not one of you shills is capable of admitting to being wrong or making a mistake of any kind. You can never, ever, admit to being misinformed, or jumping to conclusions, or simply misreading someone’s comment. You are physically incapable of doing it. And you know what that means? You’re not adults. You’re children with inflated egos. Yes, I misread, and sometimes make mistakes, and I own up to them. You guys will never man up. Never!

tatboy said:
All the foreign car makers built there factories in the south where unions are not welcome. Hence the nick name “South Detroit”. It encompasses the area these car makes built their plants… and there doing quite well.

Once I realized what you meant, I got it. Thanks. ;-)

notsofast said:
It ain’t libby! But FICA is!

LOL

You are such an angry and hateful little lib!

I’m aware of that, dipshit. I on’t hate anyone, but you hate everything, including yourself – self-hating closet homosexuals are so declasse.

notsofast said:
Paul, NYC and NJ are not the same, son.

Thanks for clearing that up.

Paul Westlake said:
Oh, my bad. The car companies should have been a giveaway. I read too fast. But that point is stupid, too, since the states that brought those factories in are doing it by using massive tax abatements and subsidies. That shell game works great for the corporations, and crushes tax receipts. Nice work, supply-siders.

And listen, I know how pumped you were to finally catch me making a mistake, but it was a mistake. It would put my intelligence against yours any day of the week and seriously mop the floor with your sorry ass every single time. You and notsoswift get REALLY pumped when you can earn a cheap win over something trivial, but you can’t actually win a real debate about anything, because even your ephemeral victories are shallow and self-defeating. And one last thing, as far as I can tell, not one of you shills is capable of admitting to being wrong or making a mistake of any kind. You can never, ever, admit to being misinformed, or jumping to conclusions, or simply misreading someone’s comment. You are physically incapable of doing it. And you know what that means? You’re not adults. You’re children with inflated egos. Yes, I misread, and sometimes make mistakes, and I own up to them. You guys will never man up. Never!

WOW… that’s a lot of overcompensation for coming off like an idiot. And I feel the same. Knowing what I do for a living and my level of education, I’m comfortable with my ability as well to… “put my intelligence against yours any day of the week and seriously mop the floor with your sorry ass every single time”.

tatboy said:
WOW… that’s a lot of overcompensation for coming off like an idiot. And I feel the same. Knowing what I do for a living and my level of education, I’m comfortable with my ability as well to… “put my intelligence against yours any day of the week and seriously mop the floor with your sorry ass every single time”.

Except that I HAVE mopped the floor with you, and tft, and nsf, and pabs, in this thread alone, and you’ve managed to call me an idiot for not getting your first reference to “South Detroit.” I’ll take my side of the ledger any day of the week.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

PS – Mississippi is one of the poorest states in the union and one the deepest debtor states in the union. Those factories aren’t doing state coffers much good are they? And the jobs are so low-paying, there’s not much coming into the state from sales or income taxes either. It’s a great plan as long as California and New York are around to provide enough federal tax receipts to afford the largess thrown at Mississippi every year. The thieves are the red states and their conservative leaders, not the blue states. I can’t wait to see the fallout from ending earmarks, where states like MS and AL get most of their investments. Gonna be a hot time in the GOP! Wooo!

Paul Westlake said:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Paul’s AWESOME ! HHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHaHAHA!~

Paul Westlake said:
Except that I HAVE mopped the floor with you, and tft, and nsf, and pabs, in this thread alone,

I’m sure in your mind you have. An independent arbiter might feel differently. Of course in your mind your smart.

Paul Westlake said:
No they aren’t. Factory farming is midwestern and western phenomenon. NY State is still chock full of family farms and I have two thriving farmers markets twice a week within walking distance where I can support those upstate farmers. Sorry, kid. You’re all wet on that one.

I’ll put money that each of those Farmer’s Markets are organized by a corporation. Most of the family farms are also corporations. The vast majority of businesses are corporations. And where do you suppose those farms get their supplies and equipment? Corporations. How does the food get to the city? Corporations. Where does the gas they put in the trucks and tractors come from? Corporations. You literally cannot wipe your ass without having several corporations to thank. You’re all myopic on that one.

Except they do have the ability to make, practically, at will. Or maybe you haven’t heard of lobbyists and campaign donations. Those are concepts you should become familiar with.

So, lobbying and contributing to campaign is just like being able to build gulags and fill them with your competition? Paul, you’re a lunatic.

In other words, you work for a small business that is either owned or contracts with the multinational.

No, I work for a very large American subsidiary of a multinational corporation.

So you don’t actually have any corporate experience yourself… because dad doesn’t count.

One of these days, you’re going to pull a conclusion out of your ass and get it right. Today does not seem to be that day.

You couldn’t get a corporate job in NYC if your life depended on it.

I could, but I’d rather shoot myself than live in NYC.

Right, because personal experience is TOTALLY unfounded. I think my old admin resume is still floating around Monster.com if you want to verify my background. But you, you’re just an anonymous flamethrower with no way to prove anything about yourself as long as you remain anonymous. So everything you say is bullshit as far as I’m concerned. Everything.

Here’s the thing: I don’t care who you are and even if you were sitting in front of me while I looked at your birth certificate, your resume, your medical records and your Mom, you’d still be full of shit and mostly nuts. Your faith in me or lack thereof could not be any more irrelevant. Sorry ’bout that.

Paul Westlake said:
PS – Mississippi is one of the poorest states in the union and one the deepest debtor states in the union. Those factories aren’t doing state coffers much good are they? And the jobs are so low-paying, there’s not much coming into the state from sales or income taxes either. It’s a great plan as long as California and New York are around to provide enough federal tax receipts to afford the largess thrown at Mississippi every year. The thieves are the red states and their conservative leaders, not the blue states. I can’t wait to see the fallout from ending earmarks, where states like MS and AL get most of their investments. Gonna be a hot time in the GOP! Wooo!

I forget did they need a bailout???

tatboy said:
I forget did they need a bailout???

An yes Paul… I mean the car companies not the states.

Paul Westlake said:
PS – Mississippi is one of the poorest states in the union and one the deepest debtor states in the union.

Wrong. Try some numbers, Paul.

tatboy said:
I’m sure in your mind you have. An independent arbiter might feel differently. Of course in your mind your smart.

Of course, in our own minds, we’re all smart. But I’ve had enough “independent” verification on these boards to put that concept to shame. And if smarts were judged on popularity, Lady Gaga and Justin Beiber would be considered geniuses.

tatboy said:
I forget did they need a bailout???

MS and AL get “bailed out” with every budget. Look it up.

Toyota got a nice chunk of change from the Japanese government. Not sure about Honda.

Paul Westlake said:
Texas is also a creditor state and much of the growth in TX is immigration, legal and illegal. And also, Texas is turning purple fast. It’ll be blue in a generation.

Immigration doesn’t create jobs, nitwit.

Paul Westlake said:
MS and AL get “bailed out” with every budget. Look it up.

Why don’t you give us the “bailout” numbers, Paul?

Pablo said:
Wrong. Try some numbers, Paul.

“Your share of State debt” is meaningless. Let’s try some REAL numbers:

Tax revenue returned to the States in the form of spending for fiscal year 2004, the heart of the GOP economic experiment, from the non-partisan, non-profit Tax Foundation – http://www.taxfoundation.org/blog/show/1397.html

Being very generous with the purple here… nitpick if you like, but it won’t change the numbers much.

Red States

Alaska $1.87
West Virginia $1.83
Mississippi $1.77
North Dakota $1.73
Alabama $1.71
Montana $1.58
South Dakota $1.49
Oklahoma $1.48
Kentucky $1.45
Louisiana $1.45
South Carolina $1.38
Arizona $1.30
Tennessee $1.30
Idaho $1.28
Utah $1.14
Kansas $1.12
Wyoming $1.11
North Carolina $1.10
Nebraska $1.07
Georgia $0.96
Texas $0.94
Colorado $0.79

Average = $1.36

Purple States

New Mexico $2.00
Virginia $1.66
Arkansas $1.47
Maryland $1.44
Maine $1.40
Missouri $1.29
Iowa $1.11
Pennsylvania $1.06
Florida $1.02
Ohio $1.01
Indiana $0.97
Wisconsin $0.82
Nevada $0.73
New Hampshire $0.67

Avergae = $1.19

Blue States

Hawaii $1.60
Vermont $1.12
Rhode Island $1.02
New Jersey $0.55
Connecticut $0.66
Minnesota $0.69
Illinois $0.73
Massachusetts $0.77
California $0.79
Delaware $0.79
New York $0.79
Oregon $0.97
Washington $0.88
Michigan $0.85

Average = $0.87

Red States get $1.36 back on average
Purple States get $1.19 back on average
Blue States get $0.87 back on average.
NY and CA get $0.79 back each.

Remember the phrase “What’s good for GM is good for America”. not so much anymore. Wonder what drove them into the ground??? Wonder why ALL the foreign manufactures are doing better than them??? Wonder why I stopped buying US car and now own 2 Honda’s (my PT Cruiser was a POS).

Pablo said:
Immigration doesn’t create jobs, nitwit.

Supply creates jobs. Demand creates supply. Immigrations creates demand. Immigration creates jobs. Dig it.

Paul Westlake said:
“Your share of State debt” is meaningless. Let’s try some REAL numbers:

That’s state debt per capita, you moron. So, debt is meaningless when figuring out who the debtors are? Paul, you’re an idiot.

Tax revenue returned to the States in the form of spending for fiscal year 2004, the heart of the GOP economic experiment, from the non-partisan, non-profit Tax Foundation – http://www.taxfoundation.org/blog/show/1397.html

Spending is not lending. Buying is not extending credit. Trade is not charity. You are not smart.

Paul Westlake said:
Supply creates jobs. Demand creates supply. Immigrations creates demand. Immigration creates jobs. Dig it.

You are dumb as a stump. Grind it.

tatboy said:
Remember the phrase “What’s good for GM is good for America”. not so much anymore. Wonder what drove them into the ground??? Wonder why ALL the foreign manufactures are doing better than them??? Wonder why I stopped buying US car and now own 2 Honda’s (my PT Cruiser was a POS).

Hey, unions don’t decide what kind of cars to build. Management drove those companies into the ground. And it was management that insisted on employer-based health care back when in the Eisenhower administration. So they have only themselves to blame for the liabilities, which, by the way, the UAW cleared off the corporate books two contracts ago. Is it better for Toyota to build cars here rather than importing them from Japan? You bet! Would it be better if America car company executives didn’t have their heads up their asses for decades? You bet! And I totally agree on big dumbass American cars. I mean, a brand new Impala drives like a ’76 Monte Carlo! WTF!? But don’t blame unions, they just build the shit. ;-)

Hey, let’s throw the borders open and then we’ll have a negative unemployment rate! Dig it!

You got any more acid, man?

Chris Christie’s fat rolls would like you to know they had a “great five days at Disneyland.”

Coincidentally, they were also the last five days he’ll ever be considered presidential material.

Nice knowing you, tubbo. Snooki is more electable.

Cobra said:
Shame, isn’t it? We New Jerseyans are still on the hook for MILLIONS of dollars despite Christie’s cancelling of the ARC project. Haven’t you read the news, Puck? “N.J. is formally told to pay federal government $271M for canceling ARC tunnel…New Jersey owes the federal government more than $271 million after canceling a rail tunnel connecting the state with New York, according to a debt notice obtained today by The Associated Press. The letter from the Federal Transit Administration’s chief financial officer to NJ Transit’s executive director demands payment of $271,101,291 by Dec. 24. It’s money the government wants New Jersey to repay for work done on the Hudson River tunnel before Republican Gov. Chris Christie terminated the project. The notification follows a warning letter earlier this month estimating the charges.”http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2010/11/nj_formally_told_to_pay_federa.html And for all these Christie apologists on here claiming that the State’s blizzard response here in New Jersey was “just fine”…. “STATE highways in Monmouth County remained snow-clogged three days after the blizzard, with only one open lane in each direction on routes, which one state legislator blames on a state of emergency banning nonessential traffic not being declared early Sunday. Frustrated drivers interviewed along hard-hit Routes 36 and 71 gave the state Department of Transportation failing grades for its response to the storm…. …”If there is one mistake the administration and (acting Gov. Stephen) Sweeney made, they should have declared an emergency sooner on Sunday, and that would have kept the cars off the road,” Kean said. “Plows couldn’t do their jobs with the roads blocked.” Sweeney’s state of emergency declaration, which he said did not include a ban on travel, has a 6:05 p.m. time stamp and was announced at 7:55 p.m., seven to eight hours after the snow started…. …Three other legislators representing part of Monmouth County said “there was clearly a disconnect in communication between the state, county and local governments.” The DOT has 427 state trucks, down from the 642 it had last winter, and another 1,331 private vehicles under contract that can be deployed to clear 12,953 lane miles of interstate and state highways. The number of private-contractor vehicles is down from the 1,489 the state said it could deploy last winter, but remains the second-highest level on record. About 1,500 DOT employees and volunteers are assigned to 76 crews. Paul Pologruto, treasurer for Communications Workers of America Local 1032, which represents half of the DOT workforce, said the state does not have enough snow-response employees or trucks.” http://www.dailyrecord.com/article/20101230/UPDATES01/101230016/NJ-DOT-chief-defends-response-to-blizzard Yeah, New Jersey was “just fine.” While Christie was lounging in Disneyworld, up here in New Jersey???: “Meanwhile, cleanup efforts by the state Department of Transportation have been criticized by some local officials.\Wall police Capt. Tim Clayton on Monday said state roads either hadn’t been plowed or had been plowed poorly — citing Routes 18 and 138 as examples — and other officials in other towns said the conditions of Routes 33, 34, 35, 36 and 66 in the Shore area and highways in other parts of the state remained in poor shape for too long….…State Transportation Commissioner James Simpson called Monmouth County, especially a 10-mile section of Route 18 between Routes 34 and 138, “ground zero” for abandoned trucks and cars, 6-foot-high snow drifts and stuck plows. “Ground zero got hit hard in Monmouth County from Monmouth Beach to Howell,” Simpson said. “(A 10-mile section of) Route 18 is still closed, it will be open in the morning (Wednesday).” http://www.dailyrecord.com/article/20101229/UPDATES01/101229023/Monmouth-and-Ocean-County-NJ-towns-state-face-storm-of-protests-over-unplowed-streets “Deep budget cuts are partly to blame for the slow cleanup following the blizzard that blanketed the Garden State this week, some municipal leaders said Thursday….…Gov. Chris Christie cut more than $450 million in aid to municipalities in his budget this year, but his spokesman said the state is not to blame for the problems with the storm.“We can sympathize, but at the same time, Trenton cannot be the answer for all budget problems, including the impact of the first snowstorm of the season on particular towns or regions of the state,” spokesman Michael Drewniak said. Drewniak noted that municipalities and counties can apply for federal disaster relief funds.”http://www.dailyrecord.com/article/20101231/COMMUNITIES/312310004/Blizzard-highlights-effects-of-budget-cuts-in-NJ And as if on CUE, what does Governor “Budget-slasher-shrink-the-size-of-federal-government-for-spending-money” Christie do as soon as he finally gets back to New Jersey? “New Jersey Governor Chris Christie is seeking federal disaster aid to help pay for the costs of this week’s blizzard. Christie made the announcement in Monmouth County, one of the areas that got the most snow.”http://www.newsworks.org/index.php/homepage-feature/item/10280-31pggov&Itemid=1 So Christie is going to increase the federal deficit by billing the country for a disaster he himself primarily created by irresponsible state budget cuts? This is your Messiah, right wingers? –Cobra

Paul Westlake said:
Bingo! Very well constructed. This is the future the conservatives are ushering in. Houses burning to the ground and snow piling up everywhere will be the norms in the libertarian future. Get used to it, austerity is just getting started. With all the money we have to give the corporate elite every year rising to ever-higher levels, there just won’t be enough money left over for anything else. They’ll blame liberals, of course, when the country starts to fall apart completely… but by then it won’t matter. We’ll be China’s bitch soon enough anyway.

So what you kids are telling is that ONE guy goes on Vacation and the whole state falls apart! Oh wait! Look who was in control. A Democrat!

BTW Paulie I drove into Kearny nj from PA on I-78 Monday Morning, had no problems until I hit Springfield and then there was a lot of snow compounded by all those HIGHLY EDUCATED people getting stuck. Funny, how come they didn’t listen to Sweeny when he asked everybody stay off the roads for a couple of hours so they could do a clean up?

Chrisite’s mistake here is when you leave for vacation you should leave the job in capable hands, Chris had to leave the job to Democrats so look what happend.

And Colbra, I wouldn’t use the Daily Bird Cage Liner as a source. This is a Newspaper that once went to bat for a Smelly guy who wanted to disturb people in the Morristown Public Library and for the freedom of a woman to run a Whorehouse in the rich section of Mendham. You see I’m sure they didn’t talk about how Western & Central NJ did a pretty good job on the clean up.

Why was Rt18 closed again? Oh that’s right! Because a bunch of folks didn’t heed the acting Gov. when he said stay off the roads. Or as they say in Jersey. “What part of STAY OFF THE ROADS don’t you understand?” Now if they wouldn’t listen to an acting DEMOCRAT Gov. Who says they would have listened to Christie?

Oh and Colby? No talk about that high speed rail line thats taken over ten years and who knows how much taxpayer money? You don’t want to touch that one do ya. And if the tunnel between NJ and NY was fully paid for. Why is NJ on the hook for money if the Federal Government paid for it like Doctor Wingnut told us?

And one last thing Colby and Paul, you two morons like to tell me how I’m a far Right Winger if I regularly call someone Pawn Vannity and have been a Ron Paul supporter since 04′? So you two far far left wingers have blown that call but should I expect anything less from a couple of highly educated kaputniks?

Here’s the difference between Jersey people that spring into action and leftys like Pauly & Colby who would probably blame Christie for not being there.

http://www.pressofatlanticcity.com/news/breaking/article_e00270e6-1501-11e0-b24a-001cc4c03286.html?mode=story

Paul Westlake said:
Hey, unions don’t decide what kind of cars to build. Management drove those companies into the ground. And it was management that insisted on employer-based health care back when in the Eisenhower administration. So they have only themselves to blame for the liabilities, which, by the way, the UAW cleared off the corporate books two contracts ago. Is it better for Toyota to build cars here rather than importing them from Japan? You bet! Would it be better if America car company executives didn’t have their heads up their asses for decades? You bet! And I totally agree on big dumbass American cars. I mean, a brand new Impala drives like a ‘76 Monte Carlo! WTF!? But don’t blame unions, they just build the shit. ;-)

“They just build the shit”… and get drunk and high on there lunch hour (I have the video). THAT’S why my PT Cruiser had the build quality of one of there rolled joints.

Paul Westlake said:
In fact, the entire Detroit metro region is one of the most depressed regions of the country.

And how long has Detroit been that shining Liberal/Union House on the Hill?

Pablo said:
That’s state debt per capita, you moron. So, debt is meaningless when figuring out who the debtors are? Paul, you’re an idiot.

It’s not about “debt,” dipshit, but revenue! “Debtor state” means they send less than they receive, not that they own a larger share of the national debt. Maybe I’m not smart… it’s entirely possible. But I’m doing better than you!

LOL

And by the way, working for someone else is a loan until you get paid. Once the liability is created, it’s treated as a liability. When you work for an hour, you have “loaned” an hour’s worth of labor to your employer, and he pays you back with wages. It’s a basic accounting principle.

Jonathan Scott said:
Hey idiot, Katrina was a federal disaster so the employs of the Fed. Gov. were activated, or were supposed to be. the NJ blizzard was a state emergency. God teabaggers are worthless.

What makes one storm a federal disaster and another storm a state emergency? Please tell me?

Actually, since I’m sure you won’t let me tell you what the law says. The Federal Government does not become involved until the state requests it. The Louisiana Governor waited a few days to request aid but as soon as aid was requested the Federal Government responded.

Go back to you party hack thinking and try not to make yourself look so much like a fool.

Pablo said:
Hey, let’s throw the borders open and then we’ll have a negative unemployment rate! Dig it!

All these things are more complicated then we generally afford in these threads. Yes, obviously jobs are an issue. But companies don’t create jobs when there’s no demand for the goods and services. That why it’s important for the lender of last resort to step in when all the indicators are heading in the wrong direction. Only government has the power to deficit spend in the quantities it takes to jump-start demand. Without jump-starting demand, you can forget recovery. But I’m sure you believe the national debt is more important than jobs, so whatever.

puck30 said:
And how long has Detroit been that shining Liberal/Union House on the Hill?

Nice try, but it was supply-side economics that killed Detroit.

Paul Westlake said:
Nice try, but it was supply-side economics that killed Detroit.

Ya… those liberal policies had NOTHING to do with it. Right.

tatboy said:
Wonder why I stopped buying US car and now own 2 Honda’s?

Because the GM dealership wouldn’t accept the blowjobs you were offering as a down payment?

Because you don’t know how to use punctuation? (Hondas, you’re, they’re)

Because you’d lose a spelling contest to Piper Palin? (indite, bast, manufactures, too)

Because you couldn’t read the loan documents GM gave you?

Come on…we’re all dying to know the right answer.

Paul Westlake said:
It’s not about “debt,” dipshit, but revenue! “Debtor state” means they send less than they receive, not that they own a larger share of the national debt. Maybe I’m not smart… it’s entirely possible. But I’m doing better than you!

Oh, so we’re using a measurement that you just made up and decided to call it “debtor” though it’s got nothing to do with debt. Imbecile.

Where does the value of the stuff the government is paying for, and which those states provide, come into your calculation, Mr. Expert Economist?

Tatboy, could you please read below link before you post again:

http://www.wikihow.com/Use-There,-Their-and-They're

Or perhaps repeat the third grade a la Billy Madison.

Want to touch the hiney!

puck30 said:
BTW Paulie I drove into Kearny nj from PA on I-78 Monday Morning, had no problems until I hit Springfield and then there was a lot of snow compounded by all those HIGHLY EDUCATED people getting stuck. Funny, how come they didn’t listen to Sweeny when he asked everybody stay off the roads for a couple of hours so they could do a clean up?

Funny how you didn’t listen either, apparently. And the facts are simple – not enough manpower or equipment due to budget cuts in both NYC and NJ led to the bad response. In NYC, we MAY have the added wrinkle of a work slowdown, but I think that’s probably just bullshit floated to deflect some flak from Bloomberg. Conservatives ave made no secret of trying to starve government, and this is the natural outcome. You made the bed, you can lie in it.

tatboy said:
Ya… those liberal policies had NOTHING to do with it. Right.

Yep, that long succession of Progressives running the place with their supply side economics did it.

Do you suppose Paul’s really dumb enough to believe the nonsense he spews? If not, he’s a hell of an actor.

tatboy said:
Ya… those liberal policies had NOTHING to do with it. Right.

Detroit doesn’t make macro-economic policy. So, yes. It had very little to do with Detroit’s liberal establishment. Cities respond to macro forces. Only NYC has the size to actually contribute to those forces in the U.S., and even then it’s generally minimal.

Paul Westlake said:
And the facts are simple – not enough manpower or equipment due to budget cuts in both NYC and NJ led to the bad response.

So the morons who got their cars stuck and left them in the way of the plows had nothing to do with it? Nope, BUSH DID IT!!!!

Paul Westlake said:
Hey, unions don’t decide what kind of cars to build. Management drove those companies into the ground. And it was management that insisted on employer-based health care back when in the Eisenhower administration. So they have only themselves to blame for the liabilities, which, by the way, the UAW cleared off the corporate books two contracts ago. Is it better for Toyota to build cars here rather than importing them from Japan? You bet! Would it be better if America car company executives didn’t have their heads up their asses for decades? You bet! And I totally agree on big dumbass American cars. I mean, a brand new Impala drives like a ‘76 Monte Carlo! WTF!? But don’t blame unions, they just build the shit. ;-)

I can remember when I was working in New Jersey and when the Union contract came up my Local 1262 came up with this brilliant idea that they would take over Health Care from management. I had just moved my family to PA and guess what?

With the old Management Contract if we had to go to the Hospital, no real problem. Everything would have been taken care of. But with the new Local 1262 contract if myself or any of my family had to go to the hospital we would have had to drive 48 miles to a hospital in New Jersey. Once couldn’t do it, guess who got stuck for the bill folks?

Dentist? oh! That was great to! Couldn’t use my Dentist that was down the street. Had to drive 68 miles to go to a Union Dentist but he was a great guy, use to stay late for me. Didn’t charge me for anything he wrote down, even the stuff he didn’t do to me.

What can I say? He did a good job and I built the indoor pool at his house (sort of). LONG LIVE THE UNION!

My 3-year old will be happy to help you with this quiz, tatboy:

http://www.better-english.com/easier/theyre.htm

I realize that South Detroit Clown College didn’t require any English classes, but perhaps it’s not too late for you to bring your English up to pre-school level.

Next stop, kindergarten!

Pablo said:
Oh, so we’re using a measurement that you just made up and decided to call it “debtor” though it’s got nothing to do with debt. Imbecile.

I didn’t invent “debtor state,” it’s common usage. Good grief!

Paul Westlake said:
Funny how you didn’t listen either, apparently. And the facts are simple – not enough manpower or equipment due to budget cuts in both NYC and NJ led to the bad response. In NYC, we MAY have the added wrinkle of a work slowdown, but I think that’s probably just bullshit floated to deflect some flak from Bloomberg. Conservatives ave made no secret of trying to starve government, and this is the natural outcome. You made the bed, you can lie in it.

Gee Paulie I guess you don’t listen, there were budget cuts all over the state, a few counties had some problems what happen to the rest of the state?

They seemed to get through it just fine. And there you go calling me a Conservative again when I’ve asked you to explain how I am one when I have stated calling someone Pawn Vannity & being a Ron Paul supporter since 04′.

Guess you don’t listen do ya?

puck30 said:
I can remember when I was working in New Jersey and when the Union contract came up my Local 1262 came up with this brilliant idea that they would take over Health Care from management. I had just moved my family to PA and guess what?

With the old Management Contract if we had to go to the Hospital, no real problem. Everything would have been taken care of. But with the new Local 1262 contract if myself or any of my family had to go to the hospital we would have had to drive 48 miles to a hospital in New Jersey. Once couldn’t do it, guess who got stuck for the bill folks?

Dentist? oh! That was great to! Couldn’t use my Dentist that was down the street. Had to drive 68 miles to go to a Union Dentist but he was a great guy, use to stay late for me. Didn’t charge me for anything he wrote down, even the stuff he didn’t do to me.

What can I say? He did a good job and I built the indoor pool at his house (sort of). LONG LIVE THE UNION!

If the union hadn’t given you that, you would have had nothing, because management was jettisoning everything back then. All it takes is filing for chapter 11 and all those contracts go out the window anyway. You can blame unions all you like (and there are plenty that I hate, too – Teamsters and TWU top the list), but management makes the rules that force unions to the table in the first place. It just mystifies me how you people are convinced that subordinates make the rules, whether in unions or on cable news channels. You are all convinced that rank and file workers have some power over their companies that is menacing and all-encompassing. It’s just pure fantasy.

Paul Westlake said:
I didn’t invent “debtor state,” it’s common usage. Good grief!

Well, then I invite you to offer us a link with an authoritative use/definition of the term that doesn’t have to do with states borrowing money. Better yet, how about a definition of the term that looks anything like this?

It’s not about “debt,” dipshit, but revenue! “Debtor state” means they send less than they receive, not that they own a larger share of the national debt.

this governor Christie’s so worried the Obama administration is going to make it illegal to be really fat.There’s a protuberance of Circumnavigational evidence against Christie to support a “really fat” conviction against him.

Are they trying to say that the snow doesn’t get plowed unless the governor is in the state? State workers get paid to see to it that this gets done; there are layers upon layers of supervisors before you get to the governor to see that this gets done.
Gov. Christy has done a good job for the people of New Jersey and he and his children deserve a vacation. He gives enough of his life to the state. Is he supposed to be in a photo-op with a snow shovel in his hand? This ridiculous.

puck30 said:
Gee Paulie I guess you don’t listen, there were budget cuts all over the state, a few counties had some problems what happen to the rest of the state?

They seemed to get through it just fine. And there you go calling me a Conservative again when I’ve asked you to explain how I am one when I have stated calling someone Pawn Vannity & being a Ron Paul supporter since 04′.

Guess you don’t listen do ya?

I don’t have a record of all your comments on Mediaite handy, so apologies if I confused your anti-union crusade with conservative ideology in any way. Oh wait, being anti-union IS conservative. And so is your assessment of Detroit’s problems. I don’t care what definitions you want to use, I use the ones that are universally recognized. And you ARE conservative by those measures.

And calling me “Paulie” is just so condescendingly clever, little child, why don’t you crack open NSF’s joke book and keep it going. And speaking of “not listening,” none of us are listening, we’re reading. If “paying attention” is what you want, why don’t you go back and actually read those news articles to see why the STATE’S response was inadequate. K?

Pablo said:
Well, then I invite you to offer us a link with an authoritative use/definition of the term that doesn’t have to do with states borrowing money. Better yet, how about a definition of the term that looks anything like this?

This was published in the New York Times on April 12, 1868!

- http://query.nytimes.com/mem/archive-free/pdf?res=FA0C1EFC3C541B7493C0A8178FD85F4C8684F9

MediaWhore said:
Tatboy, could you please read below link before you post again:

http://www.wikihow.com/Use-There,-Their-and-They‘re

Or perhaps repeat the third grade a la Billy Madison.

Want to touch the hiney!

Oooooooo. a spelling flame, gay joke, AND a retard joke all at once. Please go away little boy. As you can see the big kids are having a conversation. I have NO interest in a back and forth with someone not on my intellectual level.

You’re joking, right?

First, Gov Seymour, in using the term, is referring to debt, which is borrowed money. Next, this 142 year old editorial you’d like to pass off as support for your nonsense says this about Seymour:

…the politician shows himself to be in doleful straits, in such an every way wretched utterance of this.

Admit it, Paul. You’re pulling “facts” out of your ass and then making more shit up to try and support them. Do better or concede. Or be mocked, endlessly.

Paul Westlake said:
Nice try, but it was supply-side economics that killed Detroit.

Really? how come every time a UAW contract was ratified a UAW plant was closed? And if we want to use Supply side, okay Detroit got stack with a bunch of overpriced, crappy cars that were out built and undersold by Toyota. Yes, my 1994 Toyota pickup runs just fine today thank you. My 1997 GMC Yukon? Went to the junk yard last year.

Got a question for ya, if supply side economics killed Detroit and not the liberal Government in Detroit. Then the city be should doing just fine with everybody on Welfare, Foodstamps & Obama money?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfGLB8LO1aM&feature=related

Oh, and I forgot, there is one part of the auto industry that is just fine in Detroit, just ask Jessie Jackson & Dave Bing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ouAKdTq7_RU

Paul Westlake said:
Yep, easy to call you a partisan hack who never backs anything up with credible facts. And you make it easier every time you post.

You must be speaking to yourself. Look at the hundred or so totally vacuous posts you have put in just the last few hours. Do you even think two seconds before bloviating? Can’t be so, since you put up another post before the virtual ink is dry on the last. Try spending more time thinking and less time typing, and it will hold you in good stead.

Pablo said:
You’re joking, right?

First, Gov Seymour, in using the term, is referring to debt, which is borrowed money. Next, this 142 year old editorial you’d like to pass off as support for your nonsense says this about Seymour:

Admit it, Paul. You’re pulling “facts” out of your ass and then making more shit up to try and support them. Do better or concede. Or be mocked, endlessly.

The point was usage, not content. But I’ll give you credit that it’s less common than I thought and mea culpa on the confusion. The point is about revenue, not total debt.

felixw said:
You must be speaking to yourself. Look at the hundred or so totally vacuous posts you have put in just the last few hours. Do you even think two seconds before bloviating? Can’t be so, since you put up another post before the virtual ink is dry on the last. Try spending more time thinking and less time typing, and it will hold you in good stead.

Physician, heal thyself.

Paul Westlake said:
I don’t have a record of all your comments on Mediaite handy, so apologies if I confused your anti-union crusade with conservative ideology in any way. Oh wait, being anti-union IS conservative. And so is your assessment of Detroit’s problems. I don’t care what definitions you want to use, I use the ones that are universally recognized. And you ARE conservative by those measures. And calling me “Paulie” is just so condescendingly clever, little child, why don’t you crack open NSF’s joke book and keep it going. And speaking of “not listening,” none of us are listening, we’re reading. If “paying attention” is what you want, why don’t you go back and actually read those news articles to see why the STATE’S response was inadequate. K?

Paulie I was a member of Local 1262 for 18 years, I like the way you would like to spin me getting my child to the Hospital in an Ambulance because I thought a 48 mile trip to a Hospital in New Jersey might have been just a little too far since she had a ruptured spleen at the time was a Conservative move.

Union had me fill out a whole bunch of forms and I never got paid for that one, even tough my Union dues were paying for the Health care she never recieved.

So being pissed off because my Union ripped me off is being a Conservative, tell us all about it Paulie.

Thank God when Management got Health care back, I was able to go to a Hospital or Doctor near my house and I never saw a bill.

You want to talk about Unions? You came to the wrong place.

I now know that Christie must be a serious contender for President. And how do I know? When the leftwing smear machine starts putting out unbelievably lame attacks such as this one, it is always a sign that they are fearful of someone’s rising influence.

Paul Westlake said:
Physician, heal thyself.

You prove my point with every new comment. How many on this article alone? Fifty? Sixty? Seventy? Who dares count them? And who could possibly stand to read them? I hate to break the bad news, but quality — not quantity — is what counts in political dialogue.

(And just watch as Paul responds two seconds later….)

puck30 said:
Really? how come every time a UAW contract was ratified a UAW plant was closed? And if we want to use Supply side, okay Detroit got stack with a bunch of overpriced, crappy cars that were out built and undersold by Toyota. Yes, my 1994 Toyota pickup runs just fine today thank you. My 1997 GMC Yukon? Went to the junk yard last year.

Unions don’t design cars, don’t market cars, don’t sell cars. You gotta bone to pick with the executives who made those dumbass decisions, not the unions that have nothing to do with those decisions. And the liabilities are liabilities. If management couldn’t keep the promises, they shouldn’t have made them in the first place. And, yeah, street crime tells us a lot about the auto industry. Good grief!

felixw said:
You prove my point with every new comment. How many on this article alone? Fifty? Sixty? Seventy? Who dares count them? And who could possibly stand to read them? I hate to break the bad news, but quality — not quantity — is what counts in political dialogue.

(And just watch as Paul responds two seconds later….)

I’m bumming around watching football today, and enjoying making you idiots froth at the mouth. That’s your DAILY routine, whereas I actually have things to do in the real world now and then. I respond when I feel like it, and sometimes very quickly. But trust me, kiddo, when I’m no longer entertained by the sophistry, I move on without any remorse. You’re just upset that I consistently debunk your bullshit.

puck30 said:
Paulie I was a member of Local 1262 for 18 years, I like the way you would like to spin me getting my child to the Hospital in an Ambulance because I thought a 48 mile trip to a Hospital in New Jersey might have been just a little too far since she had a ruptured spleen at the time was a Conservative move.

Oh, yes, I remember you telling us all about the ruptured spleen in your initial comment…

puck30 said:
BTW Paulie I drove into Kearny nj from PA on I-78 Monday Morning, had no problems until I hit Springfield and then there was a lot of snow compounded by all those HIGHLY EDUCATED people getting stuck. Funny, how come they didn’t listen to Sweeny when he asked everybody stay off the roads for a couple of hours so they could do a clean up?

Maybe everyone had a passenger with a ruptured spleen that day? Did you consider that maybe you aren’t the only person with an emergency that day? Of course not, because everything you do is perfect and makes total sense, and anything all those “highly educated liberals” do is totally stupid and borderline criminal. You’re a joke, and very likely a liar. No sympathy points from me.

Paul Westlake said:
why don’t you go back and actually read those news articles to see why the STATE’S response was inadequate.

Oh yeah, The Star Ledger I forgot they are so fair and balanced that they almost folded in 2009 because of low circulation.

And they are the largest in New Jersey so what does that us about the rest? The Star Ledger isn’t to anti Christie are they?

They knew Corzine was going down in flames so how did they help him out? By endorsing Daggett?

http://blog.nj.com/njv_editorial_page/2009/10/star-ledger_endorses_independe.html

You knew this was a split the ticket ploy because they couldn’t help but kiss Corzines ass and bash Christie somewhere in the article.

“Christie’s principal claim on voter support is based on his record as U.S. Attorney for New Jersey — and it’s not without merit. The Star-Ledger opposed his appointment to that post originally, only to be pleasantly surprised as Christie surrounded himself with capable, qualified people and performed well.”

“But his sketchy budget plans and his relative lack of familiarity with the details of state government, as evidenced in debates and before The Star-Ledger editorial board, give us pause.”

“Corzine is an eminently decent and likable man, and not without achievement. We especially salute his unflagging commitment to state education and his success in changing the Abbott school aid formula to ensure that money intended to help poor children follows them whether or not they live in specific districts.”

People are waking up in Jersey, that’s why people that read these papers are becoming fewer and fewer.

puck30 said:
Union had me fill out a whole bunch of forms and I never got paid for that one, even tough my Union dues were paying for the Health care she never recieved.

So being pissed off because my Union ripped me off is being a Conservative, tell us all about it Paulie.

On this point I won’t argue much. There are some very shady union operations out there – Teamsters, TWU, IATSE, and more. But the UAW has been working with management to lower costs for decades, the communications workers constantly get the shaft, and teachers unions are always in conservative crosshairs. It’s not as simple as you people like to think. If conservatives would just be honest for a change, instead of trying to use every little thing they can find to equate unions and liberals with Stalin and Hitler, we could actually come to some common ground, I’m sure of it. I cannot stand corrupt unions. Hate them even more than corrupt companies – the companies make no secret about their goals, at least. So I’m with you in spirit, but not your remedy, which is obviously to eliminate all unions. And if that isn’t your remedy, than maybe you should tone down the rhetoric a bit.

Paul Westlake said:
Oh, yes, I remember you telling us all about the ruptured spleen in your initial comment… Maybe everyone had a passenger with a ruptured spleen that day? Did you consider that maybe you aren’t the only person with an emergency that day? Of course not, because everything you do is perfect and makes total sense, and anything all those “highly educated liberals” do is totally stupid and borderline criminal. You’re a joke, and very likely a liar. No sympathy points from me.

I didn’t feel like bringing it up Paulie at first so what’s next in your joke book? Too bad she didn’t die so there would be one less Corbert supporter?

I’m sorry I don’t put my whole family’s story out as a Movie of the Week for you Paulie please forgive me.

BTW: Ruptered spleens or not, how many people died on those Highways last Monday?

puck30 said:
I didn’t feel like bringing it up Paulie at first so what’s next in your joke book? Too bad she didn’t die so there would be one less Corbert supporter?

I’m sorry I don’t put my whole family’s story out as a Movie of the Week for you Paulie please forgive me.

BTW: Ruptered spleens or not, how many people died on those Highways last Monday?

The piont is, you’re anonymous and won’t stop being anonymous so everything you say about your personal experiences is unverifiable, and therefore, non-credible. You can bring up those personal stories all you like, but they’re meaningless when we don’t know who you are. And I don’t believe there was a ruptured anything… except maybe your ego.

puck30 said:
I didn’t feel like bringing it up Paulie at first so what’s next in your joke book? Too bad she didn’t die so there would be one less Corbert supporter? I’m sorry I don’t put my whole family’s story out as a Movie of the Week for you Paulie please forgive me. BTW: Ruptered spleens or not, how many people died on those Highways last Monday?

Oh I forgot, she didn’t have the spleen last Monday Paulie, that was about 16 years ago, oh wait! Maybe that was 17 years ago. Do you want me to go look it up? I don’t want you calling me a liar because I’m off a year.

Paul Westlake said:
On this point I won’t argue much. There are some very shady union operations out there – Teamsters, TWU, IATSE, and more. But the UAW has been working with management to lower costs for decades, the communications workers constantly get the shaft, and teachers unions are always in conservative crosshairs. It’s not as simple as you people like to think. If conservatives would just be honest for a change, instead of trying to use every little thing they can find to equate unions and liberals with Stalin and Hitler, we could actually come to some common ground, I’m sure of it. I cannot stand corrupt unions. Hate them even more than corrupt companies – the companies make no secret about their goals, at least. So I’m with you in spirit, but not your remedy, which is obviously to eliminate all unions. And if that isn’t your remedy, than maybe you should tone down the rhetoric a bit.

OK Paul I’ll give you this…. you are far more honest on some points and wiling to admit the short comings of people you support more than most lefties I debate on Kos, HuffPo and such. Not that I agree with you on much but you know your shit… mostly. At least you try and back your stuff up with research and don’t just throw monkey shit against the wall like some. Gotta go… but it was fun. Can’t wait to do it again soon. :).

tatboy said:
OK Paul I’ll give you this…. you are far more honest on some points and wiling to admit the short comings of people you support more than most lefties I debate on Kos, HuffPo and such. Not that I agree with you on much but you know your shit… mostly. At least you try and back your stuff up with research and don’t just throw monkey shit against the wall like some. Gotta go… but it was fun. Can’t wait to do it again soon. :).

I appreciate that and acknowledge the same with you. You seemed much more “flame-like” in the beginning of this thread but I see you have more to offer. I enjoy these sessions because even the silly debates sharpen my arguments and I’m sure you feel the same. Happy to engage again any time. Happy New Year!

Paul Westlake said:
The piont is, you’re anonymous and won’t stop being anonymous so everything you say about your personal experiences is unverifiable, and therefore, non-credible. You can bring up those personal stories all you like, but they’re meaningless when we don’t know who you are. And I don’t believe there was a ruptured anything… except maybe your ego.

Don’t really care if you believe me or not? Your just like little Johnny ‘T’. When you get backed into a corner with your arguments your response is……?

I don’t believe you.

It’s real simple Paulie, why don’t you reserch Local 1262′s contracts over the years and see when the Union took over the Health Care and how shitty it was. Or better yet since you live New York why don’t you drive over to 1262 in Clifton nj? It’s easy Paulie, take Rt.3 west to The Parkway South and then look on your right. You’ll see it. Then just get off at the next exit and make your way back.

It’s really nice how they greet you when you walk inside, it’s a room where the secretary is surrounded by bullet proof glass and she talks to you through a speaker. You don’t get to go into the office, they send some flunky out to talk to you.

Now Paulie, you make sure you make a trip over there and then come back and tell everybody how I’m a liar. Okay Paulie?

BTW: Isn’t it time for you to get to Papa John’s to deliver those pizzas?

Paul Westlake said:
The point is about revenue, not total debt.

The point is hiding under your hat. Comparing taxes paid by residents of a state and money spent in a state is meaningless.

Paul Westlake said:
But I’ll give you credit that it’s less common than I thought and mea culpa on the confusion.

It isn’t less common that you though, it’s non-existent, like I told you it was. You made it up, Paul, and you congratulated yourself at your cleverness. Sadly, you’re not that clever.

Paul Westlake said:
Unions don’t design cars, don’t market cars, don’t sell cars. You gotta bone to pick with the executives who made those dumbass decisions, not the unions that have nothing to do with those decisions. And the liabilities are liabilities. If management couldn’t keep the promises, they shouldn’t have made them in the first place. And, yeah, street crime tells us a lot about the auto industry. Good grief!

Let me clear this up and then I’ve got to go for now. You see if Management wanted to do something different they had to run it by the Union and see if the Union would change the workrules, if the workers didn’t want to go for it then what the Management wanted to do couldn’t be done.

Example: There’s a Pathmark right by my house, was an A&P (samething) There’s a cart pusher there. Gets paid 17 Dollars an hour to push carts during the day. Now it’s not a high volume store so he does have a lot of time during the day.

Management can’t get him to do anything else and you should know why Mr. Union Know-It-All….Come on Paulie let’s hear it………Job Description!!! And he will tell you every time!

So, he does nothing but push carts and bitch about his pay. And there’s others in the store that are the same way. That’s okay, I’m sure since you live in the New York area you know A&P (the parent company) just filed for Bankruptcy.

Sure that guy is going to bitch a lot when the store closes, and gets taken over by Giant.

So go ahead and tell me how I’m lying on this one Paulie.

Everybody else, I’ll see you down the road.

Pablo said:
The point is hiding under your hat. Comparing taxes paid by residents of a state and money spent in a state is meaningless.

Fine, then you won’t mind if we go dollar for dollar, right? I want federal spending in my state to equal our federal tax receipts from now on. That would mean massive increases in spending in NY and I’m totally fine with that. You ok with the lost investment in your state? Awesome!

Pablo said:
It isn’t less common that you though, it’s non-existent, like I told you it was. You made it up, Paul, and you congratulated yourself at your cleverness. Sadly, you’re not that clever.

Now you’re just an asshole. It has been used loosely to describe budget revenue in two contexts, both at the national level…

“For the first time in recent decades, Russia had the resources for development. In the summer of 2006, a signal event occurred. Russia turned from a debtor state into a creditor state.”

- http://www.america-russia.net/eng/geopolitics/140319671?user_session=8b6c94a7da22e79927cf5ab44a42214e

…and the provincial level…

“Please note that since the inception of the Republic, Michigan has always paid more into the Federal treasury than it has ever gotten out. We are and always have been a “Creditor” state, versus places like Alabama and South Carolina, which have been Debtor states.”

- http://www.thetruthaboutcars.com/2008/11/bailout-watch-168-obama-considers-a-not-the-car-czar/

That it is usually seen in comments by non-reporters, indicates to me that it isn’t AP style. So, while the confusion was my fault for using the terminology too loosely, the point remains the same, and it isn’t non-existent, it’s just unconventional and uncommon. But you really want to piledrive me into the ground so much that you can’t let even that much go. The only thing you ever care about is the win. You’re not really interested in solutions or common ground – just winning and feeling superior. Enjoy that, I have better things to do now.

Paul Westlake said:
I’m bumming around watching football today, and enjoying making you idiots froth at the mouth. That’s your DAILY routine, whereas I actually have things to do in the real world now and then. I respond when I feel like it, and sometimes very quickly. But trust me, kiddo, when I’m no longer entertained by the sophistry, I move on without any remorse. You’re just upset that I consistently debunk your bullshit.

Hmm, if you could actually debunk anyone, you wouldn’t need to put up 100 posts on a single article.

Paul Westlake said:
RichS

You mean the United States was never able to recover from a financial disaster before BIG government? I guess you don’t know that the answer to that question is we were able to recover. Another thing, if central planning worked then the USSR would be the strongest and wealthiest country in the history of mankind.

puck30 said:
Let me clear this up and then I’ve got to go for now. You see if Management wanted to do something different they had to run it by the Union and see if the Union would change the workrules, if the workers didn’t want to go for it then what the Management wanted to do couldn’t be done.

No, that’s not how it works. Management says “build this car,” and then they build the car. Collective bargaining is just that, bargaining.

puck30 said:
Example: There’s a Pathmark right by my house, was an A&P (samething) There’s a cart pusher there. Gets paid 17 Dollars an hour to push carts during the day. Now it’s not a high volume store so he does have a lot of time during the day.

Management can’t get him to do anything else and you should know why Mr. Union Know-It-All….Come on Paulie let’s hear it………Job Description!!! And he will tell you every time!

And this is just pathetic. There are no “cart pushing only” union jobs. The closest to that is the Teamsters with their “I only drive the truck” routine. And I suppose $17/hour is possible, but not likely. He’s probably making closer to $10 or $12. Oh, did you expect me to take your anonymous, unfounded claims on face value?

You provide no citations, no backup of any kind and expect me to salute? Got sanity? LOL

Happy New Year everyone.

RichS said:
You mean the United States was never able to recover from a financial disaster before BIG government? I guess you don’t know that the answer to that question is we were able to recover. Another thing, if central planning worked then the USSR would be the strongest and wealthiest country in the history of mankind.

I don’t know what this is in reference to but I never said central planning was a good thing.

felixw said:
Hmm, if you could actually debunk anyone, you wouldn’t need to put up 100 posts on a single article.

It’s called a conversation and I’m the only lefty still at it. Felix, I would love to debate you in person sometime and watch your reaction as you get ground into dust. THAT would be fun.

OK buhbye

No one seems to be remarking about all the vacations -0bama has been taking while there are so many crises here at home and abroad, and while there are so many unemployed in the US who can’t afford to go to McDonalds for a Happy Meal. Michelle is telling us we don’t need Happy Meals anyway, but isn’t that for us to decide?

You Liberals are joking, right?

You’re NOT seriously criticizing Governor Christie for taking ONE vacation with his family (and JUST his family), when you’ve been silent on (or accepting of) the Obama’s taking HOW MANY vacations this past year?

Of COURSE, the Obama’s trip to Spain with 40 “close friends” and their trip to India with (what was it?) 3,000 “close friends” – THAT’S just fine, right?

Barack (the Golfer-In-Chief) Obama has ALREADY played MORE rounds of Golf than President Bush (aka “W”) did during his ENTIRE 8 year term – and YOU GUYS want to complain about ONE LOUSY vacation to Dalt Disney World?

Damn, at least Christie is spending his vacation (and the associated dollars) IN THE UNITED STATES!

Get a grip on REALITY, would you?

Paul Westlake said:
You provide no citations, no backup of any kind and expect me to salute? Got sanity? LOL

Puck, all you need to do if find a similar story in a blog comment, and Paul will completely believe it.

Hey, wait a minute! I found it! It has to be the truth!

Hey Governor Crispy Cream, you may have made a promise to your kids that they were going to Disney but that didn’t mean you had to be there with them. You could have kept your promise to your kids by allowing them to go to Disney with their mom while you stayed at the capitol and dealt with the worst weather emergency in the state since the blizzard of ’96. I think the example set by Mayor Booker in Newark shows what it means to be a true leader.

The cool thing about being libertarian is you don’t particularly care if our elected officials are in office. Just imagine if Congress and the President had stayed home the last… 10 years? Wow, just imagine!

newsjunkie said:
Hey Governor Crispy Cream, you may have made a promise to your kids that they were going to Disney but that didn’t mean you had to be there with them. You could have kept your promise to your kids by allowing them to go to Disney with their mom while you stayed at the capitol and dealt with the worst weather emergency in the state since the blizzard of ‘96. I think the example set by Mayor Booker in Newark shows what it means to be a true leader.

See, this is the kind of crap that gets to me. A large portion of Americans seriously rely on leaders to take care of everything. As though they’re our FATHERS. It’s pathetic. Learn to take care of yourselves!

Jonathan Scott said:
If you dont get better I may have to make your life hard.

Jonathan Scott said:
Thanks for the compliment . I’ M AWESOME !

Paul Westlake said:

It’s called a conversation and I’m the only lefty still at it. Felix, I would love to debate you in person sometime and watch your reaction as you get ground into dust. THAT would be fun.

OK buhbye

Okay, I’ll give you credit for holding your ground while others abandon the field. Which is what I am planning to do this evening. I may not be vanquished, but clearly I have been outlasted.

btimsah said:
See, this is the kind of crap that gets to me. A large portion of Americans seriously rely on leaders to take care of everything. As though they’re our FATHERS. It’s pathetic. Learn to take care of yourselves!

Right! New Jersey residents should’ve gotten their shovels out, formed a conga line, and cleared all the state highways of snow by hand.

–Cobra

Fox News: Serving the Freeper community since 1996 said:
Making sacrifices is part of the job you fat POS!

FOX NEWS ALERT: Chris Christie can fit into Michelle Obama’s fat azz with room to SPARE!

So can Barack just eat his waffle now please?

I’m LOFL at the snow storm’s being Christie’s Katrina too, btw. Because Bloomberg’s been busy playing Himmler w/New Yorkers BMIs..

And he’s been busy telling them where they Can and Can’t play standee (etc) in NYC Too.
And he’s also been busy telling them why the Ground Zero mosque is Sweet Deal for NY and for America.
It’s a cultural diversity thing, ya’ see. Yeah, because 101 mosques in ‘any given place’ are better than 100.

So he was too busy doing all of That to have ordered the city’s snow plows out into the streets of NYC to do wtf it was that they were Supposed to do. Except to do it on His street, of course. As there was NP getting the job done There.

Right Mikey?

Christie made a political blunder here, because this sort of thing pisses people off. But come on, its not like he drives the plow trucks himself. On the other hand, if Christie and the Lt. Governor knew they were going to be out of town at the same time, what’s with that?

Paul Westlake said:
I don’t know what this is in reference to but I never said central planning was a good thing. It’s called a conversation and I’m the only lefty still at it. Felix, I would love to debate you in person sometime and watch your reaction as you get ground into dust. THAT would be fun. OK buhbye

You said something to the effect that only government can spend enough to stimulate growth and bring an economy out of hard times. That implies central planning and also ignores all of the financial reverses the US got out of without massive government interference.

Oh, one more thing, look at the response to the 1996 blizzard. It also started on a Sunday, January 6th. The Federal government did not reopen until Thursday, January 10th. The same type of complaints were heard in NJ as are heard now. I’m not sure where Christie was on January 6, 1996 but I’m sure some of you will hold him responsible for that.

Now, back tot he snow storm. I feel the same way about vacations for Governors, and Presidents. It doesn’t matter where they are, if they are good executives, their communications follows them so they can take the same action from Hawaii as they can from Washington, D. C.. I can’t say for sure, but I think the timing and intensity of the snow storm probably had a lot to do with the response. It was a holiday weekend and the snow fell very fast. I’m in Red Bank, NJ and I didn’t get my cars out of my driveway until Thursday. Do I blame the Governor, no. I don’t remember how long it took to dig out of the 1996 blizzard but since I was a supervisor at AT&T at the time and was able to work from home I didn’t feel the need to get on the road as quickly as possible.

Fact: Union are and is the problem with removal! Just like how the union treated this little girl! Unions suck!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X-hJU04Kf7Q

gordonbloyershow said:
Jersey did not have the problems that New York had. The system worked the way it always has and the governor would have made no difference.

Clearly, you don’t live in NY or NJ. NJ was a disaster. I spent 2 days at Newark Airport. No one could leave as the exit ramp was completely snowed in.
My road in Staten Island was completely plowed on Monday morning.
But go ahead and believe whatever you hear.

notsofast said:
Let’s see- the main snow removal issue was in NYC, not New Jersey and the Mayor and Gov. were on site in NY. CC obviously knows how to delegate authority to do a better job during a snow emergency than do the on site authorities in NY.blockquote>

Are you kidding me? NJ was a disaster. WAY worse than NY. Just because the whiny fools on the UWS couldn’t get out to walk their poodles doesn’t mean ALL of NY was snowed in.

Harry Flashman said:
By the way, note that the two comments above from the left use the terms “fat boy” and “fat POS”. I love it when the left lives down to my opinion of them.

Roger that! You know pounds come in pounds go but bending your mind to the left so far that you embrace socialist/Marxist philosophies is beyond ignorance and magical thinking and into the realm of stupidity and wickedness.

God forbid Christie actually puts his state’s fiscal house in order that generations of liberal lunacy has brought to the state, do they really think things could have continued as they were?

I can’t compare a bad snow storm with the disaster that occurred in Katrina, of course Bush got the blame; however, there was a Mayor on the job that should have “immediately” evacuated those innocent people, there were hundreds of school buses just parked there, you don’t need direction from anyone else when your own people are in jeopardy…anybody with an average amount of intelligence would have ordered the police to get those people out of there as that water was rising..and the disgusting manner in which all those people died in that nursing home..where was the Mayor..how long was he going to wait?..HE was in charge, that’s what he was getting paid for..I’ll bet he got out of there in time..of course Bush got all the blame, as usual. Chris Christie has excellent people on staff that were handling things..this is just an excuse to get something on Chris..I think this entire matter is blown out of proportion..Let’s stop this bickering..he’s a damn good Governor!