LOL @ Wallace thinking Gingrich would take advice from ANYONE

Hilarious interview segment

He is a teabagger/GOP pig. He cannot control his impulses. Just like Bill O’reilly, who sexually harassed his worker, Gingrich is a fraud and a hypocrite. The 2012 election is going to be so fun for liberals. Smearing these teabagger/GOP pigs is like shooting fish in a barrel. All we have to do is let them talk. They bury themselves and don’t even realize it.

Fox News lies!

James,
There are alot of subhuman liberals that post here, but I think you might take the cake.

ps, I have zero respect for anyone who cheats on their spouse, be they Dem or Repub. Anyone who does it, doesn’t have the moral character for me to vote for them for POTUS.

James Randal said:
He is a teabagger/GOP pig. He cannot control his impulses. Just like Bill O’reilly, who sexually harassed his worker, Gingrich is a fraud and a hypocrite. The 2012 election is going to be so fun for liberals. Smearing these teabagger/GOP pigs is like shooting fish in a barrel. All we have to do is let them talk. They bury themselves and don’t even realize it.

So sexual harassment of underlings is something you object to??? Like Bill Clinton… David Lettermann… etc. I’m sure you spoke out then.

Tatboy, Bill Clinton was more of an abuser than a harrasser in my opinion. He belongs in jail with the other rapists.

Liberal Tormentor said:
Tatboy, Bill Clinton was more of an abuser than a harrasser in my opinion. He belongs in jail with the other rapists.

Geez…. he was only accused of rape by one woman. But was it rape-rape or rape???

You’ll have to ask Whoopi, Tat. I’m unclear what the libs consider rape.

Without prejudice, I would say this man has no moral standing to even be considered a candidate for POTUS in 2012.

To me, more than any other conservative, Newt Gingrich represents the ideology of the Republican party. And not just for the adultery but because of the flip flopping with respect to Libya purely political advantage. These people are evil and they mask with it and justify it with their phony religious beliefs.

Liberal Tormentor said:
James,There are alot of subhuman liberals that post here, but I think you might take the cake.

I take offense to that you Knuckle-draggin’ , Tea-baggin’, Racist!

Newt just enjoyed his second worst week in his political career. So I guess this means that Fox doesn’t want Newt to be President? Way go go Fox knock em down.

Liberal Tormentor said:
There are alot of subhuman liberals that post here, but I think you might take the cake.

Back from church and back to hating I see.

I don’t hate you libs, same2U, I’m disgusted by you. There is a difference.

same2u said:
To me, more than any other conservative, Newt Gingrich represents the ideology of the Republican party. And not just for the adultery but because of the flip flopping with respect to Libya purely political advantage. These people are evil and they mask with it and justify it with their phony religious beliefs.

So you hate all the libs flip flopping on war all of a sudden??? All the double standards for a Dem going to war with no info to the American people. I have a feeling you’ve done a little flip-flopping on war since 2008.

same2u said:
Back from church and back to hating I see.

You should talk.

same2u said:
To me, more than any other conservative, Newt Gingrich represents the ideology of the Republican party. And not just for the adultery but because of the flip flopping with respect to Libya purely political advantage. These people are evil and they mask with it and justify it with their phony religious beliefs.

Why must you bash Bill Clinton so. Stop it.

LOGICandREASON said:
Without prejudice, I would say this man has no moral standing to even be considered a candidate for POTUS in 2012.

I would agree. Which is why me and you disapprove of Clinton so much as well. :)

Liberal Tormentor said:
I don’t hate you libs, same2U, I’m disgusted by you. There is a difference.

Admitting hatred for so many your fellow Americans? How unpatriotic!

Ahhh, someone needs to tell these phonies what they really are. Newt has flip flopped like no one in a space of a week. He was for bombing and getting rid of Ghaddafi in the morning and was opposed to it if he was to be president few hours later.

Jjay says:

Admitting hatred for so many your fellow Americans? How unpatriotic!

And I did this when? I specifically said I do NOT hate you. Do you have problems with reading comprehension?

tatboy said:
So you hate all the libs flip flopping on war all of a sudden??? All the double standards for a Dem going to war with no info to the American people. I have a feeling you’ve done a little flip-flopping on war since 2008.

BS, the people who have been most outspoken on the Libya mess have been the Dems and Ron Paul. The GOP have been standing on the sideline, except John McCain who as always, in favor of bombing.

Liberal Tormentor said:
You’ll have to ask Whoopi, Tat. I’m unclear what the libs consider rape.

The Kind the Mormons do by marrying young girls very early (when forced into it).

Liberal Tormentor said:
And I did this when? I specifically said I do NOT hate you. Do you have problems with reading comprehension?

Hate and disgust are synonyms. It’s like saying “I don’t HATE your dirty conservative mother, I just think she’s a nasty whore”.

Ahhh, someone needs to tell these phonies what they really are. Obama has flip flopped like no one in a space of 2 years. He was for closing Gitmo, ending Iraq, openness in Govt., etc…etc… in the morning and now flip-flopped as president few months later. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH… too easy… :). Tool…

Sky, your hatred of mormons doesn’t bother me, if that’s what you are thinking. I couldn’t possibly care any less what you think. In fact, I think I will pray for you. I know how you Godless liberals HATE that!

I think that Newt Gingrich should be left alone for stepping out and then making a pretty awful excuse. Many of these politicians do this kind of thing and we saw a big impeachment surrounding one of these. Politicians are out every night at functions and dinners and every where they go are the political groupies who mostly have intellect and want jobs and are all over them ready to ply their trade of seduction. No man can resist a beautiful, shapely woman when caught alone in a compromising position. Newt made the mistake of going there, he should have stayed away. That’s because once a married man does that there will be trouble at some time. You do not get your kicks for free since the sixties left us. I say let’s drop it, what Newt did is between he and his wife, I don’t see where it has anything to do with his presidential hope or potential ability. Maybe it energized him.

I’m sorry Jay, but there are men that can resist the temptation. Let’s not make excuses for immoral behavior. If you love your spouse, you do not cheat on them, period.

Newt may not be perfect, who among us can say that he is? But he would be a thousand times better than the incompetent who now occupies that office.

skyfet said:
BS, the people who have been most outspoken on the Libya mess have been the Dems and Ron Paul. The GOP have been standing on the sideline, except John McCain who as always, in favor of bombing.

The Dems and libs being against Libya is such a lie I don’t know when to start. Let me know when MSNBC does it anti-Libya action story. They won’t even call it a war for Gawds sake. Look at the stark contrast to the libs reaction to this war with HALF the international involvement as Iraq. Chew on this…

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/03/27/gates-no-vital-national-interest-or-imminent-threat-in-libya-before-odyssey-dawn/

I don’t think what Clinton did was right, any more than I think what Gingrich did was right. However, I do think Gingrich is an A1 hypocrite in the first degree. At least Bill wasn’t condemning others for what he was doing himself.

I’ll be happy to take someone with some failed marriages in his background over the Chief Destructionist we have now. Only Gingrich needs to answer the higher power on that one but I don’t think there is a more dedicated person then Newt to the Constitution and just love of this country and willing to take whatever hits he has to in making a run for the whitehouse.

Bill Clinton taught the children of America it’s acceptable to have oral sex because it’s not sex? Clinton also taught American children that soliciting a young girl old enough to be your daughter is great behavior. So just what did Gingrich do that is so egregious? Oh yeah, he humped a chick age appropriate. So who’s the biggest scumbag, Clinton or Gingrich?

King David , Washington , Jefferson , Kennedy , Clinton . Lot of leaders are weak to a woman . So what ? Franklin treated his wife bad and didn’t even attend her funeral .
But here and now is where we are . We will never have another GREAT leader in this country . Because a good man is too good to put up with the crap the MSM plays . Like usual . The media will elect the POTUS . Not the people . Cause the People only get very little info on folks running . The list is endless why Obama is not fit to be a POTUS . The MSM let him slide on all of them .
The MSM keeps the left against the right . Who gets the middle wins . The MSM is the player in that . So the fight is huge . the money is a lot . And the MSM ends up with the money .
Sometimes good people do bad things . Its nothing new ! Obama is so in love with himself . You won’t have to worry none on him running around .

Cisco said:
Bill Clinton taught the children of America it’s acceptable to have oral sex because it’s not sex? Clinton also taught American children that soliciting a young girl old enough to be your daughter is great behavior. So just what did Gingrich do that is so egregious? Oh yeah, he humped a chick age appropriate. So who’s the biggest scumbag, Clinton or Gingrich?

Maybe you ought to take a closer look at what Newt did. It wasn’t as simple as adultery.

CosmosDan said:
Maybe you ought to take a closer look at what Newt did. It wasn’t as simple as adultery.

Yep. He abused his position of authority with an impressionable and easily influenced youngster. He degraded the highest office in the land showing un-repentant contempt for the sanctity of the Oval Office. Then, he broke the law and the trust of Americans he was entrusted with leading……………..he LIED to a grand jury while under oath, a crime so egregious as to get anyone else thrown in prison for 15 years. But instead, he was surrounded by his “party” and held in their highest esteem……………..just as he is still today.

Amorality has its Dim admirers.

When is Chris Wallace going to grow the stones to ask Glenn Beck that same question?

Glenn Beck: America’s hypocrite-in-chief.

Cue the reactionary backlash from Beck’s morally retarded sycophants in 5, 4, 3, 2, and …..

Throw stones? Typical media idjit…..there is no comparison, Newt did NOT LIE in a court, Billy boy did.

Liberal Tormentor said:
Sky, your hatred of mormons doesn’t bother me, if that’s what you are thinking. I couldn’t possibly care any less what you think. In fact, I think I will pray for you. I know how you Godless liberals HATE that!

Nah we love it, keep praying for us instead of your right-wing friends, it helped in 2010 XD

GlennBeckReview said:
When is Chris Wallace going to grow the stones to ask Glenn Beck that same question?

Glenn Beck: America’s hypocrite-in-chief.

Cue the reactionary backlash from Beck’s morally retarded sycophants in 5, 4, 3, 2, and …..

Hmmmm..I consider myself pretty knowledgable and try to stay on top of the political going ons…I musta missed wherewhen Beck announced he was running for President. DAMMIT! ..it must of been while i was taking a pee break back in February…… GlennBeckReview, you sir…..ARE AN IDIOT!

Ouch!! Good luck convincing Christian conservatives you are one of them Newt!!

TfT said:
Throw stones? Typical media idjit…..there is no comparison, Newt did NOT LIE in a court, Billy boy did.

Point well taken. Newt did not commit a federal offense. However, he is fully guilty of outrageous sanctimony to be indicting Clinton for perjury over lying about an extra-marital relationship while he was committing his own infidelity. Bottom line, Don’t cheat. Be faithful to your spouse. And if you are seriously thinking about cheating it just may be time to end your marriage.

After Mr. ETHANOL gingrich counted the MILLIONS and MILLIONS of dollars he got from the ETHANOL LOBBY for supporting this waste of taxpayer money, he decided he has a shot at buying the election to become the “president of corn”.

Americans, conservatives and Republicans: DO NOT ALLOW THE NO-CHARACTER, AMNESTY-JOHN mccain disaster to be repeated. You, and America, can do better — a LOT better — than Mr. ETHANOL (aka, “Monica-Stain-Bill Lite”).

Replacing a president who’s a PUPPET of the union bo$$e$ with one that’s a PUPPET of the ETHANIOL LOBBY really isn’t much of an improvement.

NO doubt Newt did a flip flop on the Libya issue but its still amazing the Main stream press pushes this story and most forget about the biggest flop of all, President Obama on what he said in 2007 regarding executive war powers.

“The president does not have power under the Constitution to unilaterally authorize a military attack in a situation that does not involve stopping an actual or imminent threat to the nation.”

That is the story that should be in the headlines and not Newt who atm has no power in Government at all.

Liberal Tormentor said:
I don’t hate you libs, same2U, I’m disgusted by you. There is a difference.

Anyone who names themself “Liberal Tormentor” obviously hates liberals, i.e. those who disagree with them.

tatboy said:
Ahhh, someone needs to tell these phonies what they really are. Obama has flip flopped like no one in a space of 2 years. He was for closing Gitmo, ending Iraq, openness in Govt., etc…etc… in the morning and now flip-flopped as president few months later. HAHAHAHAHAHAHAH… too easy… :). Tool…

The President didn’t flp-flop on Gitmo. He tried to close it but conservatives in congress blocked it.

“Yet Wallace persists, wondering how it could not have been hypocrisy for Gingrich to lead the charge for President Bill Clinton’s impeachment, when he himself was having an affair at the same time? With the interview growing more tense by the moment, Gingrich insists his actions were not hypocritical since Clinton perjured himself in federal court, and that no leader should be above the law.”

The GOP has NEVER properly articulated WHY Clinton was impeached. It had nothing whatsoever to do with his sexual appetites, which are legendary, it was about his PERJURY, which is a felony and about which, as a member of the legal community, Clinton and his wife, also an attorney, knew EXACTLY the definition of PERJURY, its classification as a FELONY, and the penalty for same. The Republicans allowed the Democrat media to frame the story as a tale of Clinton and his libido being trapped into sexual encounters with a young intern- which was poppycock! IT WAS A SIMPLE CASE OF PERJURY BY A SITTING U.S. PRESIDENT.

The hypocrisy of the media knows no bounds, as exemplified by the media’s excoriation of Scooter Libby for the “same” crime- PERJURY. Libby went to jail. Wallace knows that the impeachment was NOT due to Clinton’s sexual pecidillos, but rather for lying UNDER OATH to federal officials. Equating Gingrich’s affairs to Clinton’s impeachment is simply not valid.

“Gingrich argues that he is not perfect, but that one doesn’t need to be perfect to be a good leader and that he is willing to take a “tough beating” from Wallace and others in order for the potential opportunity to be a leader again.”

LMAO!!! Good luck with that… the only people you’ll fool with your garbage are the hillbillies watching Fox News. The rest of us think you’re a nutcase.

Liberal Tormentor said:
I’m sorry Jay, but there are men that can resist the temptation. Let’s not make excuses for immoral behavior. If you love your spouse, you do not cheat on them, period.

Weird I agree with you.

Davo said:
Yep. He abused his position of authority with an impressionable and easily influenced youngster. He degraded the highest office in the land showing un-repentant contempt for the sanctity of the Oval Office. Then, he broke the law and the trust of Americans he was entrusted with leading……………..he LIED to a grand jury while under oath, a crime so egregious as to get anyone else thrown in prison for 15 years. But instead, he was surrounded by his “party” and held in their highest esteem……………..just as he is still today.

Amorality has its Dim admirers.

And a new standard was set for political attacks based on someone’s personal life rather than policy. When I ask myself who did the greatest disservice to the citizen’s of this country, the president who made a bad call and then lied about a BJ, or the conservatives who spent sooo much time and money on a personal attack rather than dealing with the many very serious issues we have as a country, it comes up the conservatives for me. They couldn’t defeat Clinton just based on policy so they spent a lot of tax payers money and time attacking him over a private personal issue that they should have left alone. Clinton was wrong, but human. He had a fling with a political groupy like many politicians have done. Those that attacked him and decided to try and derail his presidency based on that fling , rather than focusing on actually governing the country , did an even greater disservice to those they represented. That’s essentially what the nation decided as well.
Newt looked bad because he tried very hard to make as much political hay as possible over Clinton’s moral failings, publicly condemning them, while covering up his own.
Describing Ms Monica as “an impressionable and easily influenced youngster.” is a pretty funny joke.

CosmosDan said:
And a new standard was set for political attacks based on someone’s personal life rather than policy.

Might wanna check the history books………..the one’s NOT re-written by the DNC………..about the case in which Clinton was called to testify to the grand jury. Then, ya might wanna actually READ my post before jumping in to repeat the Democrat lie that Clinton’s impeachment was about “a fling with a political groupy like many politicians have done.” Clinton was impeached for the crime of perjury to the grand jury…………a crime no other “politicians have done.” In fact, wasn’t Scooter Libby thrown into the dungeon for the same crime?

TheEagle said:
The President didn’t flp-flop on Gitmo. He tried to close it but conservatives in congress blocked it.

Everyone, everyone knows he walked into the Oval Office with his promise to close Gitmo, immediately made great fanfare about signing the EO….. and he had a SUPER MAJORITY in both Houses. Attempting to assign blame onto conservatives makes you look either …..terribly uninformed, plagued by short term memory problems, or a partisan hack that can’t bear to be honest about it.

Perjury? About lying about having sex? Sir, when I grew up gentlemen were not supposed to run and tell about who they’d had sex with. Clinton is the same age as me. He was trying to be a gentleman. Gentlemen don’t kiss and tell, only scoundrels.
What he did should have been between him, Monica Lewinsky and his wife. There was never any reason to bring any third party into it. What the republicans did was disgusting. They knew that he would try to lie and they knew that they would then have something they could stupidly try to impeach him for. Their only reason for doing this was to try to destroy his presidency. They are disgusting and stupid!

Leah Ma said:
What he did should have been between him, Monica Lewinsky and his wife. There was never any reason to bring any third party into it.

Hogwash! He had a history of abusing women, his wife didn’t care. He just finally got caught and it wasn’t just his little fella that was exposed it was his discusting pattern of abuse, years worth of it.

Part of David Schippers opening statement:

“It is my sorrowful duty now to accuse President

William Jefferson Clinton. . . . This is not about sex or private

conduct. It is about multiple obstructions of justice, perjury,

false and misleading statements, witness tampering, abuses of

power — all committed or orchestrated by the president of

the United States.”

The impeachment wasn’t the end of it, the Arkansas court wasn’t to pleased with the lying, obstruction and witness tampering either and that had nothing to do with the Republicans, Paula Jones finally received justice. You know, the young lady that was repulsed by Clinton’s crude and illegal behavior.

Liberal Tormentor said:
Sky, your hatred of mormons doesn’t bother me, if that’s what you are thinking. I couldn’t possibly care any less what you think. In fact, I think I will pray for you. I know how you Godless liberals HATE that!

I don’t hate Mormons, I love the idea of legally marrying more than one wife. I think the topic f this thread also relates to you, why throw stone when you live in a glass house. You should never start a fight you can’t finish.

tatboy said:
The Dems and libs being against Libya is such a lie I don’t know when to start. Let me know when MSNBC does it anti-Libya action story. They won’t even call it a war for Gawds sake. Look at the stark contrast to the libs reaction to this war with HALF the international involvement as Iraq. Chew on this…

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/03/27/gates-no-vital-national-interest-or-imminent-threat-in-libya-before-odyssey-dawn/

Deluding yourself as usual. I didn’t know Kucinich and the other Dems who are saying BO’s action is an impeachable act or on your side. You are trying to make up facts that isn’t there.

Davo said:
Might wanna check the history books………..the one’s NOT re-written by the DNC………..about the case in which Clinton was called to testify to the grand jury. Then, ya might wanna actually READ my post before jumping in to repeat the Democrat lie that Clinton’s impeachment was about “a fling with a political groupy like many politicians have done.” Clinton was impeached for the crime of perjury to the grand jury…………a crime no other “politicians have done.” In fact, wasn’t Scooter Libby thrown into the dungeon for the same crime?

I didn’t say word one about Clinton’s impeachment so I don’t need to check anything. The details of why impeachment proceedings were pursued have nothing to do with the content of my post or the fact that conservatives wasted huge amounts of taxpayer money and time pursuing a personal issue because they couldn’t beat Clinton on policy.

TillieGlockenspiel said:

The hypocrisy of the media knows no bounds, as exemplified by the media’s excoriation of Scooter Libby for the “same” crime- PERJURY. Libby went to jail. Wallace knows that the impeachment was NOT due to Clinton’s sexual pecidillos, but rather for lying UNDER OATH to federal officials. Equating Gingrich’s affairs to Clinton’s impeachment is simply not valid.

As a legal matter, you are correct. “Equating Gingrich’s affairs to Clinton’s impeachment is simply not valid.” However, the hypocrisy is unsettling casting a dark shadow over Gingrich’s integrity and character. When people vote for a politician they are seeking to believe that the person does not just have good governing credentials, but that the individual is not morally compromised. Gingrich’s past personal history towards women provides ample room for doubt to question whether he possesses common morals and virtues.

Davo said:
Might wanna check the history books………..the one’s NOT re-written by the DNC………..about the case in which Clinton was called to testify to the grand jury. Then, ya might wanna actually READ my post before jumping in to repeat the Democrat lie that Clinton’s impeachment was about “a fling with a political groupy like many politicians have done.” Clinton was impeached for the crime of perjury to the grand jury…………a crime no other “politicians have done.” In fact, wasn’t Scooter Libby thrown into the dungeon for the same crime?

You mean those written by the Rodeo Clown? I’m just saying.

Newt Gingrich…now there’s the quintessential Republican. Self righteousness, arrogance hypocrisy, twisted political views mixed with twisted religious views and a complete lack of personal integrity all rolled up into one. Yup…this is your typical Registered Republican. People like this will say and do anything to get elected and there is an entire country full of God fearing idiots who are ready to forgive his lack of personal judgment and lack of integrity at every turn.

On the whole, Gingrich answered the question in a reasonable fashion. One might argue that he should have answered Wallace’s “wasn’t that hypocrisy?” question more directly, but we do have a tradition of suspects not having to convict themselves out of their own mouths, and that courtesy is occasionally extended to politicians as well.

However, Newt does seem to have picked up a bad habit from all those alternate history novels he churns out. Clinton was never convicted of perjury. The Senate acquitted Clinton of perjury and the House dropped another such charge against him. You may or may not believe that Clinton was in fact guilty, but the “court” (in this case the House and Senate) did not find that to be so.

Jay Adler said:
I think that Newt Gingrich should be left alone for stepping out and then making a pretty awful excuse. Many of these politicians do this kind of thing and we saw a big impeachment surrounding one of these. Politicians are out every night at functions and dinners and every where they go are the political groupies who mostly have intellect and want jobs and are all over them ready to ply their trade of seduction. No man can resist a beautiful, shapely woman when caught alone in a compromising position. Newt made the mistake of going there, he should have stayed away. That’s because once a married man does that there will be trouble at some time. You do not get your kicks for free since the sixties left us. I say let’s drop it, what Newt did is between he and his wife, I don’t see where it has anything to do with his presidential hope or potential ability. Maybe it energized him.

I’m guessing this is a satirical response. It’s so hard to tell these days.

TeaPartyPatriot said:
After Mr. ETHANOL gingrich counted the MILLIONS and MILLIONS of dollars he got from the ETHANOL LOBBY for supporting this waste of taxpayer money, he decided he has a shot at buying the election to become the “president of corn”.

Americans, conservatives and Republicans: DO NOT ALLOW THE NO-CHARACTER, AMNESTY-JOHN mccain disaster to be repeated. You, and America, can do better — a LOT better — than Mr. ETHANOL (aka, “Monica-Stain-Bill Lite”).

Replacing a president who’s a PUPPET of the union bo$$e$ with one that’s a PUPPET of the ETHANIOL LOBBY really isn’t much of an improvement.

Wow! I kinda agree with you (although I think Obama is Wall Street’s puppet rather than unions — but that’s just splitting hairs). Who would you see as a winning candidate against Obama?

Leah Ma said:
Perjury? About lying about having sex? Sir, when I grew up gentlemen were not supposed to run and tell about who they’d had sex with. Clinton is the same age as me. He was trying to be a gentleman. Gentlemen don’t kiss and tell, only scoundrels.
What he did should have been between him, Monica Lewinsky and his wife. There was never any reason to bring any third party into it. What the republicans did was disgusting. They knew that he would try to lie and they knew that they would then have something they could stupidly try to impeach him for. Their only reason for doing this was to try to destroy his presidency. They are disgusting and stupid!

…EXCEPT that Clinton RUINED Lewinsky’s life. But I guess you think that’s okay or probably, it never registered.

Alz said:
…EXCEPT that Clinton RUINED Lewinsky’s life. But I guess you think that’s okay or probably, it never registered.

Clinton ruined Lewinsky’s life? I’d say that Newt Gingrich and his coterie of peckersniffs (Ken Starr, please stand up) ruined her life — if in fact her life had been ruined, which it hasn’t.

She’s subsequently earned a degree from the very prestigious London School of Economics and has developed a career around academic pursuits.

Clinton’s behavior was appalling, but didn’t rise (at least on its own merit) to the level of national concern until he began lying about it in public. There was a point where he could have said, “This is personal matter for me to deal with in the confines of my own family and I’ll be making no more statements on the topic.”

But he didn’t, and an otherwise promising presidency was blighted.

The house found him guilty, the senate had no balls to convict, after all, if memory serves, Scottish law was brought into the picture to make sure that Slick got a pass. Arlen was pathetic then, he is still so. Just like Charlie Rangle, he still sits in the house, despite his guilt…..these congresscritters look out for each other, they all believe they are above the law. pathetic bunch of rubes.

mediadoubt said:
Clinton ruined Lewinsky’s life? I’d say that Newt Gingrich and his coterie of peckersniffs (Ken Starr, please stand up) ruined her life — if in fact her life had been ruined, which it hasn’t.

She’s subsequently earned a degree from the very prestigious London School of Economics and has developed a career around academic pursuits.

Clinton’s behavior was appalling, but didn’t rise (at least on its own merit) to the level of national concern until he began lying about it in public. There was a point where he could have said, “This is personal matter for me to deal with in the confines of my own family and I’ll be making no more statements on the topic.”

But he didn’t, and an otherwise promising presidency was blighted.

Yes, he ruined her life. She was basically thrown by the wayside by Clinton. She was caught in a no-win situation.

And yes, Clinton *could* have said that, but that’s not in his DNA.

Clinton *could* have stepped down too so Gore would have been President for eight years. As inept as Gore is, Bush would not have won.

Alz said:
Yes, he ruined her life. She was basically thrown by the wayside by Clinton. She was caught in a no-win situation.

She’s the one that blabbed about it to Linda Tripp. The Republican party is the one that brought it up. So how in the hell did Clinton RUIN her life?

Newt Gingrich is a brilliant strategist but he has too much baggage to be considered for the Republican nomination. The Republicans MUST nominate an individual in 2012 who is pristine across the board, if they do not, the nomination will not represent what so many conservatives are hoping to support.

the real john t said:
She’s the one that blabbed about it to Linda Tripp. The Republican party is the one that brought it up. So how in the hell did Clinton RUIN her life?

Clinon, by virture of his job, should not have gotten involved. She was very young. We know what happened when Mary Jo got involved with Ted kennedy – she’s dead.

Common decency points to that it was Clinton who was wrong.

You liberals sound like the Muslims when they blame the girl who had been raped!

Alz said:
You liberals sound like the Muslims when they blame the girl who had been raped!

When was she raped? Did you ever read the transcripts of the hearings. She came on to Clinton. Get the hell over it and face the facts.

Presidents who had extramarital affairs

Thomas Jefferson
James Garfield
Warren Harding
Franklin Roosevelt
John Kennedy
Lyndon Johnson
Bill Clinton

OxyCon said:
Presidents who had extramarital affairs

You forgot to mention Eisenhower in that group.

the real john t said:
You forgot to mention Eisenhower in that group.

I’m sure there were plenty more, along with unfaithful First Ladies too.

OxyCon said:
I’m sure there were plenty more, along with unfaithful First Ladies too.

So what are you going to do now, attack the first ladies that are not elected officials.

the real john t said:
sound like

I said “sound like”. It’s an analog, not literal – and it’s accurate..

OxyCon said:
Presidents who had extramarital affairs

Thomas Jefferson
James Garfield
Warren Harding
Franklin Roosevelt
John Kennedy
Lyndon Johnson
Bill Clinton

Think that’s a complete list, or just an acknowledged one. Bush Sr. might be worth a look.

Wil the following Republicans please go away and not come back…..Newt Gingrich,John McCain and Lindsey Graham.

Rusty Shackelford said:
Wil the following Republicans please go away and not come back…..Newt Gingrich,John McCain and Lindsey Graham.

You forgot Michele Bachmann and Sarah Palin.

Alz said:
Clinon, by virture of his job, should not have gotten involved. She was very young. We know what happened when Mary Jo got involved with Ted kennedy – she’s dead.

Common decency points to that it was Clinton who was wrong.

You liberals sound like the Muslims when they blame the girl who had been raped!

Don’t waste your common sense on a Liberal, Alz. They don’t know the language.

the real john t said:
She’s the one that blabbed about it to Linda Tripp. The Republican party is the one that brought it up. So how in the hell did Clinton RUIN her life?

That’s typical of the anti-American Left. You don’t consider the one committing the bad act the one being wrong…………it’s the one who catches them that’s the “bad guy.” RIGHT?

The Newt’s flip-flopping on Libya is more revealing that his tawdry sexcapades and his enshrinement in the Deadbeat Dad Hall of Fame. “Moral Certainty” has morphed into “American Exceptionalism” as the rally cry of a segment of Republicans, but the essential character has not changed. At the very heart of the matter is the sheer ugliness of the great rightist entitlement, an entitlement based upon the convenient, self-serving conviction that the “espouser” is absolved from any and all personal responsibility and accountability because the espouse is, despte all evidence to the contrary, good and pure because he is inherently so. The problem, of course, is that there is a corollary. You, because you espouse a different point of view, are not inherently good and pure. We saw this with Nixon and Watergate. We say it with Raygun and Iran Contra. We saw it with W and his lies about WMD’s and his belief his daughters ought not be held to the same standard as other teenagers with regard to serial violations of alcohol laws. We saw it with Cheney, and his manifold war lies and in his belief that his daughter ought to be able to live a privileged life while others engaged in similar conduct moral lepers. We see it in vengeance with Newt. And because of their constant protestations of moral superiority, their hideous breaches are all the more hypocritical. At times it seems the rightists are arguing that they have reached a point of perfection in their lives and in their relationship with the Creator that the Ten Commandments, the Summary of the Law, the Golden Rule no longer apply to them, while leftists seem to argue they are indeed the worst sort of people, having sinned mightily, but they are wholly absolved and redeemed. Both seem to get us to a point of moral vacuity, but on different paths.

Davo said:
Don’t waste your common sense on a Liberal, Alz. They don’t know the language.

That’s typical of the anti-American Left. You don’t consider the one committing the bad act the one being wrong…………it’s the one who catches them that’s the “bad guy.” RIGHT?

It’s amusing the way you construct straw men and refer to these distortions of others posts as common sense. Who is claiming Clinton didn’t do anything wrong? Nobody I can see. what is being said is “it tales two to Tango” Claiming Monica was some poor innocent girl , whose life was ruined , and then using rape as a comparison, is ludicrous. Ms Lewinsky capitalized on her celebrity and got rich from giving the president a BJ. Does that sound like her life was ruined? Try to base arguments in reality.

Officials have a responsibility of how to use their time and resources to best serve the public. That’s real world. So again, while Clinton was clearly in the wrong, those that squandered taxpayer time and money to pursue this, did an even greater disservice, not for the sake of justice or protecting the American public, but for a political agenda. And , since this thread is about Newt, the hypocrisy on his part was his support of going after Clinton while he was having an affair, with a staffer, 23 years his junior. He resigned as speaker and then the man who replaced him resigned when his extra marital affairs came to light. In fact several more republicans had their own infidelity exposed.

While Scooter Libby was convicted of the same charges, the details were vastly difference.IMO Libby took one for the team and covered for Cheney on a far more serious matter than a white house BJ. He was convicted in early June and less than a month later President Bush commuted his prison time, so no, it doesn’t look like he was thrown in the dungeon.

CosmosDan said:
It’s amusing the way you construct straw men and refer to these distortions of others posts as common sense. Who is claiming Clinton didn’t do anything wrong? Nobody I can see. what is being said is “it tales two to Tango” Claiming Monica was some poor innocent girl , whose life was ruined , and then using rape as a comparison, is ludicrous. Ms Lewinsky capitalized on her celebrity and got rich from giving the president a BJ. Does that sound like her life was ruined? Try to base arguments in reality.

Officials have a responsibility of how to use their time and resources to best serve the public. That’s real world. So again, while Clinton was clearly in the wrong, those that squandered taxpayer time and money to pursue this, did an even greater disservice, not for the sake of justice or protecting the American public, but for a political agenda. And , since this thread is about Newt, the hypocrisy on his part was his support of going after Clinton while he was having an affair, with a staffer, 23 years his junior. He resigned as speaker and then the man who replaced him resigned when his extra marital affairs came to light. In fact several more republicans had their own infidelity exposed.

While Scooter Libby was convicted of the same charges, the details were vastly difference.IMO Libby took one for the team and covered for Cheney on a far more serious matter than a white house BJ. He was convicted in early June and less than a month later President Bush commuted his prison time, so no, it doesn’t look like he was thrown in the dungeon.

Too bad this thread is probably dead. You accuse me of making a straw man argument without mentioning the instance. Yet, you speak as if you are clairvoyant in knowing the thoughts and motivations of others.

None of the Republicans you mention committed perjury by lying to a grand jury. You’re still confused over a President of the US seducing a 21-year-old girl, and the federal crime he committed in lying under oath.

The proof, Coz, of Liberals being illogical and mentally defective is that you still don’t understand that it’s the one committing the crime………………NOT the gun manufacturer, NOT the bar owner or whiskey distiller, and NOT the one witnessing the crime.

Davo said:
Too bad this thread is probably dead. You accuse me of making a straw man argument without mentioning the instance.

The straw men were presented by you and Alz, but since you referred to his as common sense I guess you own it as well. The classic straw man is misrepresenting someone else’s post and then arguing as if they made a claim they did not make. Nobody is defending or excusing Clinton’s adultery by saying Lewinsky was a willing participant. The whole concept that because Ms Lewinsky was much younger she must be an innocent victim is just unrealistic nonsense and a denial of the facts. She described the relationship as mutual and went on to financially capitalize on the attention she gained. Claiming her life was ruined and making a rape comparison is just a ridiculous denial of reality,

Likewise you implication that I am somehow excusing or justifying his lies by pointing out the hypocrisy of his accusers , and the waste of resources of those that pursued it.

Davo said:
Yet, you speak as if you are clairvoyant in knowing the thoughts and motivations of others.

I certainly can’t know with certainty, so there is an implied IMO, but I am able to make a reasoned deduction.

Davo said:
None of the Republicans you mention committed perjury by lying to a grand jury.

That makes them no less the hypocrites they were exposed to be. There was an unspoken tradition in DC that elected officials personal lives were not used against them in the political arena. It’s one thing if the National Enquirer to dig up some dirt. Quite another for political opponents to resort to that. The president just prior to Clinton , Bush Sr, was acknowledged on capital hill to have a mistress, but nobody ever attacked him politically for it. It never should have gotten close to a grand jury for Clinton to have to answer questions about his personal life. That doesn’t excuse Clinton in any way, My point about use of resources and what actually serves the public interest vs a political agenda is an observation of reality that any one responsible for use of resources will acknowledge. Any police department that spent far too much of its time and financial resources to pursue some minor investigation would not be considered heroes of justice. They’d be acknowledged as failing in their official responsibilities. To use a term you like, it’s common sense, regardless of your denial.

Davo said:
You’re still confused

Not one bit. My judgement isn’t a colored by partisan bias.

Davo said:
The proof, Coz, of Liberals being illogical and mentally defective is that you still don’t understand that it’s the one committing the crime………………NOT the gun manufacturer, NOT the bar owner or whiskey distiller, and NOT the one witnessing the crime.

Ho hum, false comparisons, combined with an insult. Your partisan self righteousness is pretty tedious.

GlennBeckReview said:
“When is Chris Wallace going to grow the stones to ask Glenn Beck that same question?
Glenn Beck: America’s hypocrite-in-chief.
Cue the reactionary backlash from Beck’s morally retarded sycophants in 5, 4, 3, 2, and …..”

On cue, Paul G says:
“Hmmmm..I consider myself pretty knowledgable and try to stay on top of the political going ons…I musta missed wherewhen Beck announced he was running for President. DAMMIT! ..it must of been while i was taking a pee break back in February…… GlennBeckReview, you sir…..ARE AN IDIOT!”

It’s so cool to see a fool fall into a trap. Oh, Beck let loose with his 20th documented hypocrisy in 10 months:
http://www.sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/2011/03/glenn-beck-suggests-that-it-is.html
Cue the reactionary backlash again from Beck’s morally retarded sycophants in 5, 4, 3, 2, and …..”