Just wondering, does the Geneva convention protect unlawful combatants?  No?  Well, far be it for a piece of paper to mean what it states, liberals will just misinterpret it as much as they can to attack and destroy America.

Wait till the lawyers get involved. 

Goldie Taylor has what everyone has , an opinion . Nothing more.

de·spoil  (d-spoil)tr.v. de·spoiled, de·spoil·ing, de·spoils 1. To sack; plunder.
2. To deprive of something valuable by force; rob:

Like I said, if you don’t want to be pissed on by America, don’t get yourselves killed by US Marines. Pretty simple. Oh, and Goldie, the Marines did not despoil your precious enemy.

Apparently Goldie does not know the difference between pillaged and despoiled.

Disgusting. Unnecessary. Unproductive. Discipline in order.

Liberal have backed sh*t as art before. Lets just call it art and ask for public funding. http://www.artnet.com/magazineus/features/kuspit/kuspit9-11-08.asp

 I would give them 30 days in the brig and bust them a rank. General discharge.

lol ….. Performance art .

Hey Goldie, what does the Geneva Conventions say about the killing done by non-military combatants? Goldie seems to be such a stickler for what is “right” and what is “wrong” and uses the language of the code to smear Marines. Interesting:

[T]he question of illegality arises foremost in the way certain
individuals are targeted by these drones – whether those individuals
are combatants and whether the individuals operating the drones are
combatants. On a purely theoretical legal plane, if the drones are
being operated by individuals who fall under the Geneva Convention’s
definition of combatants and the individuals being targeted are also
combatants, then, all other things equal, a drone strike would be
legal. Yet we now know that the drones are being operated by CIA
operatives who are open to legal challenge on grounds of their status,
and of the non-combatant collateral damage of individuals killed in
drone strikes against a specific Al Qaeda target.

Still waiting for Goldie and Touré’s weigh-in on the drone killing that Barry is so fond of. Hey, Goldie, the US Constitution has some words in it too. Some of those words speak to the power given to the executive branch. Hey, Goldie, what about those silly recess appointments? Passing a budget??? Appointing unelected Czars?

Oh, and Goldie, if pissing on the American flag is considered free speech by your ilk, how is this not the Marine version of free speech???

Oh, and Abu Grahib was Bush and Rumsfeld’s fault…Hmmmm, let’s see…that makes pissing on the enemy…Barry 0bama’s and Robert Gate’s fault!

I think I like some of Barry’s foreign policy all of the sudden.

I’d even be willing to skip the brig. A General Discharge really drives home the point for a Marine.

I am sure the United States Marines will honor the Geneva Convention as soon as their enemies, the terrorists who were justifiably and well-deservedly pi$$ed on, will wear the uniform of the country they represent.

I am sure the United States Marines will honor the Geneva Convention as soon as their enemies, the terrorists who were justifiably and well-deservedly pi$$ed on, will wear the uniform of the country they represent.

How about that they wouldnt have even had a chance to PISS on these DEAD REALLY BAD guys if Geneva Convention stuff werent trashed in order for us to go to war in the first place? HOW ABOUT the preemptive attack on a sovereign nation without any true cause? GOOD LORD!!!!!!!!! Punish these guys but not like they did anything NEARLY as bad as the people who placed them in harms way in the first place!

haha  very good

The fact of Taliban murdering women and children in addition to other civilians and using a knife to slowly slice off the heads of our soldiers doesn’t bother her a bit.  Its sad to see righteous indignation so poorly directed.

And the Military Code of War?

A Presidents got to do what a President has to do to run a country obstructed by those who want to make sure he fails and what does Toure’ have to do with it?

Interesting. She was taking a different tone twittering back and forth with Andrew Breitbart after her excoriating Dana Loesch last on CNN

She almost described the critics as having overreacted. Starting to doubt her sincerity. I guess she’s not that tough face-to-face, or tweet-to-tweet

Oh and lest I forget, I reiterate this is president Obama’s fault and the fruit of his escalation in a notorious grave of empires

Abu Ghraib was the Army’s fault and urinating on the enemy was the Marine’s fault and they will dispense justice according to military law.

We’re supposed to be the good guys.

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LOL ARE YOU F-ING SERIOUS? self centered elitist

how much is media matters paying you or is the open society network paying you?

Stop lying you don’t have anytime to do any of the activates you have listed because your online 24/4 blogging  progressive crap

While you drive illegal alien to your home?

Jail for U.S. Marines
and
social services, free education, free health care, and voting rights for illegal aliens?
.

Just wondering about what people think they would do if the Russians or Chinese invaded the US. Would they only allow the Armed Forces to fight or would they pick up their guns and go fight too?
We have been in their country for over 10 years. It time to leave.

corect,  they are not protected under the Geneva convention.

Also I’m cuious, I have not heard Goldie condemn the video taped beheading by Jihadists,  have you???

Wow:

frizzmstarbaby2: A Presidents got to do what a President has to do to run a country
obstructed by those who want to make sure he fails and what does

What does the US Constitution have to do with that? Unbelievable.

Now let’s see…we the US used Kerosene Napalm on 250,000 Iraqi women and children burning the skins off them while they were still alive, and they’ve what cut only 25 heads off Americans. Sorry guys the enemy has been much more civil than we have.

Isn’t about “free speech;” it’s about expecting more from a well-trained, disciplined United States Marine. Or soldier. Or seaman.

If you smear yourself, don’t blame somebody for calling you on it. Typical low-life rationalization. Crawl back under your rock.

I’m for everyone lining up  and pissing on Goldie.

I always wondered about that, but it’s easier just to figure liberals will accept our defeat at the hands of whoever America’s newest enemy is, as long as they die bringing America with them.  I’m just glad these ones weren’t around during WWII.  By towards standards, they were barbarians.  The modern day liberal would’ve crucified every service member they could and if helping Hitler or Tojo was a byproduct, that’d just be gravy.

If urinating on the flag is free speech, urinating on ANYTHING is free speech. Pretty simple. Unless you live under a rock.

Actually you just attempted to parse illegal behavior.  I am certainly no liberal and as a life long Republican (and I am very old) and a Christian, on all counts, I absolutely reject this totally un-Christian behavior out of these military folks.  I accept that they no doubt responded in the heat of a battle.  But this shows obvious lack of training on Geneva convention rules.  Further this notorious behavior that they even taped for all the world to see incites like and no doubt, worse behavior towards our military in that battle area.  If that happens then these law breakers are guilty of incitement.  For certain they totally disregarded the rules of engagement and the Geneva Convention legal absolutes.   I do not know what the punishment should be but it should be swift and advertised since these goofs posted that anti American, disgusting behavior picture for all the world to see.

In school we called him “Le Professeur de Beis Mois en Cul.”

AND incitement of disgusting behavior towards their fellow service people and they handed the despots criminal cover for like and worse sorts of behavior.  They brought shame on our country’s values.  We simply do not subscribe to this sort of degrading treatment and that is abundantly clear in rules of engagement, the Geneva Convention norms these guys were taught and just plain decency.  You know that ideal of doing unto others what you would no mind having it done to you.  Nuff said!

That seems fair to me also.  We have to do something likie that to try to protect others in our military in that war area!

I think these 4 marines should be suspended from duty for 4 weeks and sent away to Hawaii to repent.

I didn’t parse illegal behavior, she made a statement of fact and I pointed out her assertion was wrong.

I’m not saying the behavior was proper, not by a long shot, but I’m not about to question the motives of the men doing it.  We have no idea if their friends were killed by these individuals, nor do we know the circumstances leading up to the conflict that resulted in their deaths.  While it’d be nice to think we would hold ourselves to higher standards in such a situations, the plain and simple fact of the matter is: we don’t.  So, I’m not about to attack them for treating people who can only be rightly called savages.  Also, the filming it?  That was felony stupid.

Also, as for breaking the Geneva Convention rules, that may be a bit of a stretch.  The Taliban, Al Qaeda, and whatever other terrorist group there is, aren’t co-signers of the Geneva Convention.  So, the agreed upon treatment of co-signers is not extended to them.  And when they are civilians as such is the case, they fight without allegiance to a nation, just against someone, out of uniform, and they are left to be treated by the prosecuting country as they alone see fit.

I’m not sure the punishment should be swift or anything major at all, to be completely honest because of the enemy we are fighting.  In fact, I’d go as far as to say we should desecrate their remains afterwards.  These terrorists are not like the Japanese, nor the Nazis.  When their country fell, the cause went with them, but not these terrorists.  I’d prefer to start burying these savages with pigs, cover bullets in gun oil made of pig fat, scare the living day lights out of them.  If they are to fight us, and they believe the stuff they read in the koran, then accept the fact that they will be sent on a one way trip to hell.  Go ‘Black Jack Pershing’ on them all!

And as for this being used for more hatred against, honestly?  If it isn’t this, it’s going to be something else.  They hate for hate’s sake.

In the ongoing brutalization of the American public, one would have expected FOX pundits like O’Reilly, Hannity, Bolling, etc to say something as stupid and irresponsible as what Loesch said. Add to that list, of course, violence and disinformation peddlars like Limbaugh and Beck. CNN has a very spotty track record in who they allow to get in front of a camera, which explains why they are one of the weakest of the major media outlets. I imagine these young men will be reprimanded by the Marines, but it’s really the politicians who have needlessly put these kids in harm’s way, along with the aforementioned  media people who should be punished and ostracized. Add to that the rightwing fools and knaves on this blog who have no moral scrupples and have in their ignorance dragged our country down for many years now with their nihilism, denial and arrogance. All these people can do in a situation like this is say, well they do it too, and they behead people all the time… We’re suppose to be the ‘city on the hill’, better than these fanatics, etc, while, in reality, we are now the world’s worse warmongers, going from one needless war to the next (Iran?), without ever questioning what we’re doing and what our real values are. I especially liked Tommy Christopher’s line in an earlier piece that these soldiers “pissed on their own humanity”, which is precisely what the rightwing has been doing and encouraging for a long time now.

Inspite of what Rick Perry has to say, those soldiers who did the deed will be punished because the military has laws of it’s own…it’s called the UCMJ ( Uniform Code of Military Justice).    Anyone who brings disgrace on the military or jeopardizes everyone else in a war zone will and must be dealt with.     Regardless of what you think of liberals, the military (whose forces have been made up of the young (18 – 19) for a hundred years, will maintain their standards as the greatest force for civilization in the world.    And yes, the Geneva Convention protects ALL combatants or it means nothing.

Stop lying, you are a raging liberal. Since this act really offends no one, your faux outrage demonstrates you cannot be anything BUT a partisan liberal.

It’s not an opinion, it’s a lie. No one is truly offended by this act, she’s faking it to score partisan political points. Using American Marines to score domestic political points is beyond disgusting, at least to me.

Pfffffft .A quick read of your previous postings shows that you certainly are NO Republican.

Perry wants to be president? Can you imagine if a world leader said that in response? I hope Perry gets a taste of his own medicine when he gets back off the campaign trail.

This isn’t about liberals or conservatives, this is about the integrity of the greatest force on earth.   You might want to bring that force down to the level of the enemy, but most of us don’t.    As the leader of the free world, if we look at torture and desegration of bodies as war crimes committed against us…we must do equal if done to the enemy.    Would you be defending Rick Perry (loser candidate and will never be president) if Rick was from Afghanistan and the Taliban were urinating on dead Americans?    Ofcourse not….THE COUNTRY WOULD BE OUTRAGED!    To see our sons urinated on would be just as bad as a beheading.   Those Taliban have mothers, wives and children too.    Because they are current enemies now, doesn’t mean they always will be….the Germans and Japanese are perfect examples.

This site is overrun with teabaggers and their hateful voice of “true American patriotism”. We are fighting an armed force in Afghanistan. They are clearly dressed in their choice of war clothing. To call them “enemy combatants” is sophistry. We are at war and in war, you kill. When you kill, you allow the dead their dignity. That’s called being a moral person. All these teabaggers who say that liberals are bad people because we recognize the immorality of urinating on the dead are just failing at being human beings. I wonder how many of these teabaggers who are cheering these actions were screaming bloody murder when US troops were hung from bridges by “illegal combatants”.  Let me tell you. Anyone invades where I live, I will become an enemy combatant immediately. Teabaggers, YOU’RE WRONG AS USUAL.

UCMJ may have claims to this case, which would make more sense, but that’s not what’s being discussed here, the Geneva Convention is.

And, no, just because people say the Geneva Convention protects them, it doesn’t.  We should not give them the same rights they deny to our troops when they drag their bodies through the streets, behead them on video tape, and the like.  I will now be quoting the ICRC, which seems to have a predisposition towards helping terrorists on occasion:

 2. Who is a combatant?  
International humanitarian law permits members of the armed forces of a State party to an international armed conflict and associated militias who fulfil the requisite criteria to directly engage in hostilities. They are generally considered lawful, or privileged, combatants who may not be prosecuted for the taking part in hostilities as long as they respect international humanitarian law. Upon capture they are entitled to prisoner of war status.
If civilians directly engage in hostilities, they are considered ” unlawful ” or ” unprivileged ” combatants or belligerents (the treaties of humanitarian law do not expressly contain these terms). They may be prosecuted under the domestic law of the detaining state for such action.
Both lawful and unlawful combatants may be interned in wartime, may be interrogated and may be prosecuted for war crimes. Both are entitled to humane treatment in the hands of the enemy.

That middle paragraph there would seem to indicate they are indeed NOT protected by the Geneva Convention.

Andy 48; TheUS military no longer uses Napalm, nor CBU’s, nor flame throwers, and have not for many decades. Get your talking points straight before commenting and making up stories.  I wish the US Military still had these weapons.

Goldie Tyler was a Marine Public Affairs official in Indianna, never went overseas nor saw combat.

And you have just shown that you know nothing about our party. We have a broad range of opinions and we do not control what anyone is free to think or care to comment on. It is called free speech. But most comical is your comment about me not being a Republican. I am very old and when i was 21, I because a registered Republican and have been since then which happens to be over 60 years. Your attitude is what makes in near impossible for us to recruit moderates so have at it. But we are getting stronger and stronger as the moderate wing of the party so look out.When I was in Alaska, I was one of those endangered species because there wdere few of us, but we did finally elect a Republican governor.

The integrity of of the greatest force on earth?  What worth is integrity if you’re dead?  I hear this stuff, but it’s just nonsense.  A few acts of, maybe, indiscretion and the whole left side flies off the handle.  Where were liberals when Daniel Pearl was getting his head cut off and broadcast?  Covering their eyes.  Where were liberals when the Blackwater contractors were being dragged through the streets, burned, and hung from a bridge?  The lead cheerleader of the liberal/progressive/whatever cause they always try to associate with, Markos Moulitsas said “Screw them.”  Where were they when Michael Yon was reporting on children being baked alive and fed to their parents?  Silent.

But the very moment a troop does something they shouldn’t, bam!  They are the first and the loudest to denounce them.  So, don’t give me this integrity bs.  If they were around during WWII, they’d be prosecuting the troops for going through fields shooting every body they saw.  They’d raise hell over the fact troops killed the enemy rather than took them as prisoners of war.

As leaders of the free world, we are held to a much higher standard, but again, what’s the point if we’re dead?  Put the fear of God in them.  Do what the stories say General Pershing did.  Scare them and let them know: if you mess with us, we will send you to hell in accordance with your belief system.  We can’t expect them to be any better because they’re savages.  They bake children, they throw acid in the faces of girls trying to learn, and they refuse to even let their wives leave without a male escort from the family.

And, don’t think the country would be outraged.  Look at the previous examples I provided and liberal reaction.  And like I said, treat them however they want to treat us.  They don’t treat us good no matter what we do.

The taliban also have a backwards belief system.  And yes, they always will be.  Tell me, did the Germans have a deeply ingrained religion that ordered them to kill any and all infidels that they could?  Did the Japanese?   As far as I can tell: no.  No, they did not.  The problem with you liberals is that you try to equate the enemies of today with the enemies of yesterday.  They aren’t the same.  Why you people are beyond comprehending that?  I just have no idea at all.

sigh*….. pissing from your Ivory Tower is much more civilized isn’t it? These Marines made a mistake. Get over it.

Tell it walking troll . Buh bye.

Excuse me, but I said I’d skip the brig. That would mean no jail.

What is the connection between Toure and the Constitution? Evidently, I’ve missed something. Explain.

Can’t say I’m shocked. I’m sure all the Marines on the front lines are REAL fond of her now.

This contradicts your comment;
“Both lawful and unlawful combatants may be interned in wartime, may be interrogated and may be prosecuted for war crimes. Both are entitled to humane treatment in the hands of the enemy”

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For someone who thinks quite highly of himself and seems to be an expert on accusing others of hating, that is quite a narrow minded comment you made with stereotypical overtones of ignorance towards those who may not share your same world views.

“My suggestion to you, quit making excuses for hate.”

Agree. Let me know when they go and I’ll buy their first round.

Seems to me, when they leave this Earth, they sorta leave the combatants title also.

“The fact of Taliban murdering women and children in addition to other civilians and using a knife to slowly slice off the heads of our soldiers doesn’t bother her a bit.”

Nice of you to put words in her mouth that are grossly over-the-top and malicious.  Using the murdering of women, children and soldiers to drive a petty ideological agenda doesn’t bother you a bit. 

lol……..so, we just kill people and then it gives us the right to desecrate the bodies???

Well, judging from your profile picture, I am not surprised at this type of thinking from you!

To quote Golda Meir: 
“We will have peace with the Arabs when they love their children more than they hate us”

http://rt.com/usa/news/loesch-big-journalism-rt-919/

So Goldie Taylor is now the perveyor of our country morals? Please!!!!!!

So now you have decided all Arabs hate Americans more than they love their children?  Isn’t it interesting that those who allow themselves to let fear rule over them are the ones who justify their own ignorance of others whom they fear.  Who’s doing the hating here, snowsoul?

Along with the entire football team at Hoffman-Boston University..

@scuzball:disqus
That’s one hateful voice you have there.:WOW

 Article 15. At all times, and
particularly after an engagement, Parties to the conflict shall,
without delay, take all possible measures to search for and
collect the wounded and sick, to protect them against pillage and
ill-treatment, to ensure their adequate care, and to search for
the dead and prevent their being despoiled.

Does this sound like just an opinion to you? 

Let’s see..If I can read right…We are in violation of the Geneva Convention. You see if you read the War Authorization given to Bush, we invaded the wrong country. It was to be used against those that attacked us. Now if I remember we were attacked by 11 Saudis why didn’t we invade them?

Enemy combatants is a name that was coined by Bush. There were laws of War until that were used for years, even battles during the Civil War had crowds watching the battles. We invaded them…we paid people to turn people in. Many were turned in just for the $500 the US paid for them. Many in Gitmo and other prisons did nothing wrong.

Space the final frontier. And who would have thought that final frontier was between your ears.

I wasn’t aware that the Taliban ever signed on to the Geneva Convention?  Goldie Taylor is an idiot, but then I think most liberals are idiots.

Scrzbill, were you ever in the military?  I put 5 years in the military.  You don’t have a clue what the hell you’re talking about.

“PERVEYOR?”  What!  LOL,

Regarding the substance of your comment:

Curiously inconsistent, the Liberal is afraid of a commingling of church and state governance?  However, the Liberal is comfortable with, least partially, governance by “Platonic Guardians,” meaning themselves? 

I should note:  Frequently, both political philosophies are inconsiderate of each others concerns?  What is the difference between morals and ethics, and which makes for a superior pathway for fair and objective governance?

Purveyor

“Nature or nurture?”

How did those “Liberals” become “idiots?”  Can they be saved, is there a cure?  Perhaps a place they can all go to be happy and sing “Kum Bay Yah?”

In fact, if we could send them off somewhere for a few years, we could fix the economy and then we could afford to have them back for a while?  Ouch! 

Purveyor

That was a “work of art”  LOL.  

Seriously, that was poorly written.  ”Brutalization of the American public” WOW!

I thought it was the dead bodies, (and Islam) who were being “brutalized” by being urinated on?  You and your friends do have a penchant for exaggeration…  Ouch!  You all seem to stretch reality so well, with such alacrity, is there a special school for aspiring Leftist radicals, you can go?  What do they do there, hypnotize away your self respect and integrity?

The real question I have is, how do you all manage to interact with each other, without letting on the hypnosis has worn off, yet you are still espousing the same nonsense and propaganda you were inculcated with?I bet, if you applied the hypnotism just right, you could get really high and go to a Phish concert?  LOL

Purveyor

Despoil…Steal or violently remove valuable or attractive possessions from; plunder: “a church despoiled of its icons”.de·spoil (d -spoil ). tr.v. de·spoiled, de·spoil·ing, de·spoils. 1. To sack; plunder. 2. To deprive of something valuable by force; rob.

Also…
“Art. 15. At all times, and particularly after an engagement, Parties to the conflict shall, without delay, take all possible measures to search for and collect the wounded and sick, to protect them against pillage and ill-treatment, to ensure their adequate care, and to search for the dead and prevent their being despoiled.” Er, how the heck did peeing on a body get caught up with article 15 of the GC??