“I’m going to take you to task on that. I’m going to take
you to task on that,” Fox & Friends co-host Gretchen
Carlson replied. “Because on this panel right here, we
have a fair and balanced panel right here.”

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!

 “And I’m the
independent.”

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Deep thoughts…..

I love when Fox News gets called out for being “Unfair & Unbalanced” and enjoy watching the feeble attempts by their hosts to claim they’re not!!

Jerry Springer – 1  Fox News – 0

Jerry, Jerry, Jerry, Jerry!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The Jerry Springer Show, is on the same level as Fox and Friends. It’s a big bloody joke. 

And that is the reason for the success of Fox.  They can lean to the right all they want but they also ALMOST ALWAYS have the counter arguments also well represented, even if not repeated ad nauseum.   That is why CNN has failed, and MSNBC has such low viewership (since only 21% of country identify themselves as liberals).  Hopefully one day CNN will make a serious attempt to represent facts instead of talking points of just one party.  

I have tried — in the interest of fairness — to watch Fox periodically, and probably do catch about two hour’s worth a week, sometimes more. And Springer is dead right. EVERY SINGLE TIME I tune in they are either in the middle of an Obama bashing story or promoting one that’s about to come up.

Every single time. Without fail. No matter which part of the day I’ve watched. Without exception.

There are legitimate questions to ask about any sitting president. There will always be fair criticisms and concerns and mini-scandals and whatnot. But this is a channel with a single mission and it’s to defeat Obama. And they have been relentless in that task to the point of reshaping news stories to fit their agenda.

At no time during the Bush presidency did they exhibit this relentless, pathological obsession with how the president was ruining life in these United States (in spite of the two wars, the reckless tax cuts, the budget busting and the general disdain for the middle class). The agenda since Obama came to office has been to spin every single story — no matter how obscure or insignificant — to question the president’s motives, loyalty,  judgment, character.

Of course the icing on the cake is the calling itself “fair and balanced.” The mere fact that Fox has to tell you this shows how absurd the claim is. I once had a teacher say that someone who describes themselves as “sophisticated” clearly isn’t. The same applies here.

If the blond bombshell is an Independent, so is Hannity. 

I never realized what a funny show this Fox & Friends is. Sometimes the satire is almost on a par with Colbert.

Well if Jerry Springer says it………LOL   You poor libs!

I’m sure you can identify with Jerry and Anthony Weiner.

She struck a nerve.

Jerry go back to your prostitutes and pay them with a personal check.

Your idiocy does.

So funny – uber leftie Jerry is on the air and yet he can’t see that FNC is fair and balanced?

It doesn’t get much funnier than that.

I remember reading about how Jerry was on MSNBC and praising MSNBC for only praising theone….oh wait….no one calls out MSNBC for singing Obama’s music…oh well.  CNN too, all those other two cablers do is spread DNC talking points, one network breaks out of the mindmeld of the DNC liberal elitieness, and lefties have a hissy fit.  So funny.

You go Gretchen.

Now I have stuck a nerve!

Thanks!

My first thought when I saw the segment live, “i wonder how long it will take Mediaite to get this up?”

Springer just repeated the tired and lazy talking points against FOX. The only reason it seems, to some, that they *Bash Obama* is because they actually discuss his negatives, unlike all the other channels. They always have fair and balanced discussions with BOTH sides, again, unlike the other channels. 

Having discussions about the issues isn’t *bashing Obama*. Bringing up opposition to Obama isn’t *bashing Obama*. 

Hopefully Obama can’t stand the heat, and leaves the kitchen. Perhaps Jerry is remembering the fondness the MSM showed Bush. What a liberal wimp.

Perhaps if Obama wasn’t such a screwup, he would get the odd attaboy.

Truth hurts.  Lemmings don’t like hearing alternate views.

Did she really try to say that she is independent?   LOL!!!!!

She is a world class FUX News zombie driving the agenda of the far right on a daily basis!

Now you hate free market? make up your mind. 

Love your “sophisticated” post. Lol!

“But this is a channel with a single mission”  

…  to give viewers a choice – believe one-sided arguments coming from the Democrats or believe one-sided arguments coming from the Republicans, or interpret the facts on your own.  OMG, what a concept, encouraging people to think!  Oh the horror!

Fox gave him an attboy for Osama….

Wow- I struck another nerve. Sorry boy, prostitution is illegal in Ohio and your father Jerry got nailed. I guess you frequent prostitutes too!

That’s fine, Chuck, as far as it goes. But, let’s not forget that we are talking about American Cable “News”, a genre with a tiny, tiny sliver of viewership in America. “Success” and “failure” are relative to the point of uselessness in such discussions. And, frankly, I find the value of American cable “news” in delivery of news diminishing by the day. The fact is all of the American cable “news” outlets are bloody awful. I suppose we’re pandering to too narrow an audience. We know CNN can produce a very good product. CNN International is the standard in cable news, and its programming is straight down the middle, hard news. BBC World Report is also highly acclaimed and reliable, although it has a bit too high an emphasis in sports (or in “sport” as it says). CNBC and Bloomberg are both excellent business networks, indisputably the best in the world. We are really being short-changed in the US, and we ought to demand more, demand better. I suppose as long as a couple of blocks of viewers, albeit very small blocks are content with, indeed desirous of mere reaffirmation of their own views instead of actual news, nothing is going to improve.

BTW: Gretchen O’Van Karlsen is a liar. She is the biggest baseless basher of President Obama on the every puerile and silly F&F.

By Ms. O’Van Karlsen. I know “deep” always comes to my mind when I think of her.

Did any of its hosts say their job was to make sure the Bush admin. was a success like Chris Matthews did re Obama?

I thought free market paves the way to earn according to your ability. Isn’t that what you were cheering Newt for? help them keep a job, own a job etc.

LOL

Poor thing- show me where any state law permits you to make a living illegally. Is that how your mother earned her keep?

I’ll wait.

Your idiocy continues.

Stonepark, it’s apparent that you have no pride in yourself because you keep showing up to a website that doesn’t want you here based on the number of times you have been banned!!

Newt and the rest will remove the regulations that stops them. Isn’t that what you all want? deregulation, deregulation, deregulation. Ahhh

Just the fact that they allow people like Springer on to give their views proves your opinion to be wrong.  Sorry if you prefer news networks that only give you the news that you want to hear. If that’s what you want just stick to MSNBC

wow- Nerve # 3 struck!

Leave the children alone Leedog!

Hi, StoneparkIV. Where’s StoneparkV these days? 

By the way, you don’t have many “likes”. Better start liking your own comments.

HI Ted or are you Sam or are you Michelle from Leavenworth, Kansas again?

Good morning, Nutsofast.

Are you supposed to be someone child?

LOL

Hi ted- I  mean Sam, I mean Michelle from Leavenworth, Kansas.

The funny thing is that we’d be hard pressed to find a single statement from her on the president that isn’t clearly negative. I’ve always thought of the “objective” “news team” of F&F as being equally idiotic, petty and hateful. Compare them with even the fluff morning shows at other stations. Those anchors may not say much but they’re not constantly promoting or bashing based on party lines. 

Jerry Springer Rips Into MSNBC News, Accuses Network Of Bashing President Bush ‘Every Day’ (especially Willie Giest).

Oops… never happened.

Are you on drugs? FNC is fair and balanced? It doesn’t get much funnier than that.

This the same Gretchen Carlson who described Todd Palin as an “Independent” after his endorsement of the Newt man?  Makes sense.  As long as you refrain from discussion of Obama’s work on the surface of Mars you qualify as a neutral observer in right wing la-la land.

I value my time, so I never watch any political show in real time, but I watch them all on my PVR. My policy is that when any segment of any show on any channel does not have at least some representation of both sides of the political spectrum, I fast forward to the next segment.

Needless to say, with that self-imposed policy, I spend considerably more time watching FOX than I do watching MSNBC.

read sullivan”s article. the truth hurts! oh sorry i forget you dumbasses can’t read! my dog is smarter than gretchen! my dogs defecation is more fair and balanced!!!!!

My dear, Sarah N. Italy, you obviously do not watch MSNBC or CNN. While they are not dedicated to all day, every day bashing of our American president, as FOX “News” is, they have both roundly criticized our American president at times. Frequently. ANd, they both supported President Bush the Lesser, frequently. To say that FOX “News” ALWAYS has fair and balanced discussion is simply prevarication. I am certainly willing to acknowledge that MSNBC has a more liberal stance and that its news coverage too often suffers as a result. Demonstrably, FOX “News” had a (far) right-of-center stance and its news coverage often suffers as a result. Anyone, anyone who relies on MSNBC or FOX “News” for actual news is either a complete or utter fool or someone desperately seeking reaffirmation of his or her own views. Nothing more, nothing less. I have not the slightest problem with people turning to either or both networks for commentary. And I have no problem with both networks having a discernible bias. The European press, which flourishes, has long done just that. But to proclaim either MSNBC or FOX “News” as news deliverers is a denial of truth which imperils the health of our Republic.

More like, if he can’t stand the heat, STAY in the kitchen as a dishwasher, the only kitchen job, Hell, the ONLY job of any kind, he is qualified for.

One might say that is simultaneously simplistic and delusional.

JERRY, JERRY, JERRY, JERRY, JERRY!!!!

And you know that they aren’t because MSNBC told you that they aren’t!

Jerry! Jerry! Jerry!…how ludicrous, to have the Prince of Pathos, commenting on anything.  The Sludge Master, himself, who has exploited the moronic masses his entire life, and made a hefty dollar doing so.  Having Springer, Povich and gossip goons permeating your airwaves, shows what little substance you have.  The above (brainless chant) demonstrates the lack of tangible brain matter in your skull.  Try replacing it with, I can! I can! I can!

I love how the libs decry Fox, but defend DNCNBC.  I wonder if Jerry has noticed the GOP bashing on a daily basis form his friends at DNCNBC?
That being said, I can’t stand F&F hosts.

The Real Royal Commode…you might consider a name change.  You are so full of fecal fantasies, I sometimes wonder if you genuinely believe your content.  Is there a cure for intellectual idiots?

The blonde bitch is the independent of the panel. Bwahahahahahahaha!

“Independent”?  NOBODY buys that b.s.  Too bad this criticism couldn’t have come from someone a little more reputable than Jerry Springer.

Hahahaha…this is hypocritically rich. The people who bashed Bush ‘every day’ now somehow take great offense when the fire hose is pointed AT them rather than BY them. They don’t quite like ‘fairness’ when it comes to criticism of THEIR ‘Presi-det.’

The other slogan FOX uses is: “We report, you decide!”

Seems to me that the FOX bashers never bother to listen/see what FOX reports. They qalready decided.

What are you saying about the brown bithches on MSNBC??

As much fault as I find with FOX “News” in general, and “F&F”, in particular, I certainly share your thoughts about the unfortunate Mr. Springer.

Watch Faux for more than 10 minutes and you can see they aren’t fair and balanced. And yes, MSNBC isn’t fair and balanced but that isn’t their slogan.

What do you mean??

Jerry Springer is the moral compass for liberals/progressives/Democrats.

I have no respect nor any admiration for Ms. O’Van Karlsen, but your language is inappropriate.

No, you’ve got it exactly backwards. It’s to NOT encourage thinking. It’s to get viewers to swallow whole a pre-conceived narrative and to run every single story through this prism. That’s the opposite of offering “choice”; it’s like getting your news from the North Korean Information Agency.

Get bent.

So, they’re successful because, most of the time, they allow someone to speak viewpoints that aren’t avowedly right-wing, then proceed with repeating the right-wing viewpoint ad nauseum (usually after viciously attacking and/or mocking the former)?

Interesting formula for success.

You’re right: Real Royal Commode is terrible name and should be cha . . . wait a second . . . False alarm.

Thanks for sharing your feelings, Bobby. Do you have anything substantive you care to share?

How so? Be specific, if possible.

Hilarious!! Well done.

The above (brainless chant) demonstrates the lack of tangible brain matter in your skull.

It is reminiscent of the trained seals in Maher’s audience.

Very well said. Anyone who thinks FOX is not slanted to the right or MSNBC is not slanted to the right is deluding themselves.

MSNBC sometimes supported W, when? They always bashed bush, reported protest against the W white house,video’d vile protest signs and banners every day. There was never a fair/balance on any show, even Joe Scarbouro is biased as a Rockafella RINO. How many Media Matter trolls does this site attract, every day?

Some makeup critiques, perhaps?

“Gretchen Carlson replied. “Because on this panel right here, we have a fair and balanced panel right here. And I’m the independent.”

I literally laughed out loud when I read that. A fair and balanced panel?  They are opinion for hires all.

She totally missed the irony.

Yes, they were dedicated to bashing Bush.

Same here. I used to turn it on in the morning before going to work so F&F was on. I just conouldn’t take the blatant dishonesty, heavey handed bias, and horrible flawed logic they spouted day after day. Even Chris Wallace gave them crap one day for it.

Remember that old Sprite ad campaign? “Image is nothing.  Thirst is everything.”  They didn’t really want consumers to think “image was nothing,” they just wanted consumers to enjoy the self-satisfied feeling that drinking Sprite was a demonstration of rebellion.

Similarly, Fox has no interest in being fair and balanced or “letting you decide.” They just want you to think that, even as they push their agenda, you’re making a decision based on all the facts. 

Any network that airs a show like “The Five” (and, yes, I know it’s not a news show but it is commentary on the news) and thinks they’re “fair and balanced” is clearly not interested in encouraging critical thinking.  It’s 4 to 1!

FUX News? Are you older than 6?

ODS

If they presented intelligent fact filled conservative views I’d be all for it. I definately think we need both sides of a discussion and various view points. The problem is they don’t present the facts, they distort them and use ridculous logic to appeal emotionally to thier target audience. They are not promoting thinking. They simply repeat and confirm what their target audience wants to hear.

The illiteracy smack is pretty funny coming from someone who can’t type a sentence to save his life.

Gretchen is the independent on the show?  Her reasoning…because she sits in the middle.  Gotta love that reasoning.  Here I thought it was so we could look up her skirt.  So does that make Doocy or the brown haired guy the liberal.  What a total load of crap.  Appreciate Jerry calling out more of their lies, actually saw Gretchen pout.

Hey Springer. Did you know Obama is flying to the swing state of
Florida tomorrow to campaign in front of Cinderella’s Castle and talk
about tourism? And no paying Disney tourists are allowed.

Another taxpayer paid campaign event.

“President’s Remarks Not Open To Park Guests, Disney Says”

http://www.wesh.com/themeparks/30235520/detail.html#ixzz1jpA8tNAE

Awww… where your feelings hurt that someone dissed Fox News??

Why would you expect anything more from a liberal?

So Matthews admitted to an agenda.  Fine.  The problem here is Fox’s refusal to do so, their insistence on declaring themselves “fair and balanced,” even as they make it their job to advance the Republican party.  They don’t admit because then their viewers assume this agenda is merely the straight dope. 

Lol!! So you’re comparing the President of the United States to someone who washed dishes?? Why do you hate this country??

What has the Obama regime done that has a positive effect on the economy? Please don’t say “car in the ditch”, because if you do , Barney Frank grabbed the wheel and pulled it there. MSNBC is like N.Korean News, not Fox, Fox is the loyal opposition, NBC repeats DNC talking points, is like Pravda and Tass during the Soviet days.

Fox News has proven countless times that they are the Republican’s mouth-piece for propaganda!!

Larry Flynt was unavailable.

Lol!! Are those all you ignorant comments above that are being removed again Stonepark??

Thanks for the pity, but it’s really not necessary.  The way I see it, this just demonstrates that it doesn’t take someone with a whole lot of credibility to expose the farce that is Fox.

Lol!! You’re replying to comments that Mediaite felt the need to be removed, what does that say about you??

LMAO

Hahahahaha Accurate..

I have said many times on mediaite that FOX is right of center. They actually HAVE conservative and Republicans on payroll. That being a huge difference between them and all the others. Also, the consistently always have panels/discussions/debates for balance. Megyn is one who always hits guests from Left and Right, when she doesn’t have a panel. Most always have one guest from Left, and one from Right, and most shows have larger panels. They consistently have guests with opposing views.  

That is what separates FOX from the others, which are heavily weighted to the Left. 

Daytime FOX news shows are “straight news” more so than the prime time shows, however O’Reilly is a conservative guy, he is fair and balanced. Hannity is a Republican, but always has a panel. Greta is a Democrat. Baier is very fair, as are many others.

And again, the reason they are attacked by the Left is because they actually consistently offer the Conservative opinion (as well as the Left) which the other channels don’t do. That is why people scream and whine that they are “far right”. Because you can actually hear a Conservative opinion on their show.

Use more space next time big brother

LOLOLOLOL…………….!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

More proof how much of the news is made up. When will Trump chime in on Springer’s comments?

“Because on this panel right here, we have a fair and balanced panel right here. And I’m the independent.”

She then gave a wink, and peered into her palm to tease the next segment. 

Sounds like Disney is on board.  It IS their park, to do with as they wish.  Capitalism baby, capitalism!!!!!!!

I love how the right always points out that MSNBC leans left as if libs would disagree. Listen, Penguin, it’s Fox that presents itself as “Fair and Balanced.” 

This chart alone is enough to earn Obama reelection. (And, yes, he did pull the car out of the ditch, regardless of who got it there — and there’s plenty of blame to go around.)

http://thepoliticalcarnival.net/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/bikini-graph-Dec-20111.jpg

But Faux doesn’t ADMIT that it criticizes the President.  They insist they are fair and balanced, and let the viewers decide.  Ha!

Yeah, make the black man wash our dishes.

What also “never happened” was that MSNBC adopted the slogan “fair and balanced.”  Or made the claim “We report, you decide.” 

Well, the thats what we expect from the Romney News Network, bash the apostate Obama daily, and promote Mitt Romnippity daily, all the while down playing Newts qualifications to be our Presidential nominee.  Nothing new here.

You should have stopped at “the truth hurts.”  Rise above.

Just yesterday you were defending the guy who used commas in place of apostrophes.  “Weren,t you?” 

by the way, fox news alert!  Romnippity is leading in the polls, lol, (Jan1-16th),

Chris Christie was on Morning Joe this morning. So to follow your train of thought MSNBC is fair and balanced too. I’ll try to keep this as simple as I can, MSNBC is clearly left, Fox is clearly right and CNN is as close to the middle as we have on cable. This shouldn’t even be up for debate. The world is not flat and MSNBC is progressive and Fox is conservative and we are all the worse it.

As long as he doesn’t identify with Larry Craig and David Vitter, I’m fine with it.

Right again!

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tim-graham/2012/01/01/rachel-maddow-fox-all-about-electing-gop-msnbc-has-no-political-objectiv

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/01/30/msnbc-vp-msnbc-does-not-have-a-political-agenda/

Amen!

Just yesterday you were defending the guy who used commas in place of apostrophes.  “Weren,t you?”

Chris Christie was on MJ this morning.

How about Eric Bolling, Steve Goofy, Wretched Carlson,Brian Kilmeade, Britt Hume, Sean Hannity and Bill O’Reilly for starts.

As if that’s not enough, how about FNC VP of News Bill Shine, admitting that FOX was “the voice of the opposition” when Obama was elected–that’s the every definition of “partisan media and news”.

(i)Vice President Bill Shine says that ‘our reporters, people like Major Garrett, have been asking tougher questions’ than their rivals.” But Fox News has said that it is going further with the Obama administration than merely “asking tougher questions” than their rivals; Shine has recently characterized the network as “the voice of opposition on some issues.”(/i)

Get real. MSNBC was very supportive of W’s foreign policy until it was clear that the policy was a fatally flawed failure. It was virtually Neo-Con Central.

Washing dishes? Being a community organizer?

Both are just about equivalent qualifiers for the Presidency.

Hey, Democrat LAPDOG, learn the difference between “WHERE” and “WERE”.

If Jerry Springer wants to use that standard to delegitimize Fox News he should remember that on MSNBC Keith Olbermann and Rachel Maddow bashed President Bush on every show.

If you recognize that the network leans right, would you agree that “fair and balanced” is a misleading slogan? 

And it’s just ridiculous to claim that only on Fox do you have guests and hosts that are conservative. 

There is nothing middle about CNN.

Fox is conservative but it talks about the liberal positions with more intelligence than MSNBC’s prime-time does. Period.

Do some research dimwit. Just don’t pick the cherries that feed your ignorance. This from conservative Rasmussen January 12.

During December, 35.4% of Americans considered themselves Republicans. That’s up from 34.3% in November and just below the high for the year of 35.6% reached in May.
At the same time, just 32.7% of adults said they were Democrats, down from 34.9% in November. The previous low for Democrats was 33.0% in August of this year. .
The number of voters not affiliated with either of the major political parties rose to 32.0% in December from 30.8% the month before.

Political discourse would improve tremendously IF:

1. Conservatives would and could do basic research
2. Conservatives could and would understand rules of logic and argmentation
3. Conservatives would stop using “people” [i.e., Gays, Muslims, Blacks, Hispanics as wedge issues
4. Conservatives would get over losing the civil war (since the GOP is now the Southern States Rights party)

Leedog – You troll Palin supporter sites.

What does that say about you?

Welcome to media Dan! Sorry you have failed to see this on ALL of the other networks.

Gavins, you shouldn’t pick apart someone else’s spelling when it’s easy for all to read your past comments, which are riddled with spelling and grammatical mistakes. 

Why would you watch Fox if you didn’t like it? Logic fail.

And when you start calling networks Faux repetitively, you should probably start to re-examine your social calendar and add some non-internet activity to it.

Yet you still watch it.

You have proven that you are a mouth-piece for propaganda online. Yours is worse. Seriously – get outside and step away from the computer more often. I am getting worried with all of your internet time.

Clinton handed Bush a surplus, and Bush handed us a recession, Obama saved our butts…..Nuff said…..

Come on… is that the best you have grandpa??

Other recent guests on MJ include the detestable Ms. Coulter, Frum, King,  Noonan, Willard, Senor, Steele. Joe himself is a conservative Republican. The facts simply do not bear out what you are saying. I’m afraid you’ve fallen for Murdoch PR hook, line and sinker.

What’s your point? Paul Ryan goes on MJ too. Does that make MSNBC fair? No.

I’m a liberal with a master’s in Journalism and I DO WATCH FOX. Objectivity in reporting is what all journalist are trained to do if they are reporters–as opposed to commentators. Their party affiliation is pointless.

FOX is a talk radio format injected into a broadcast news format and every one in the industry –including FOX employees know that. The only ones who refuse to acknowledge it are their septuagenarian Fox Fans.

NO !!! The Republicans put the car in the ditch and if America doesn’t wake up, we’ll all be in there too…

Good point. MSNBC and CNN have conservatives on all the time. Claiming that they don’t is just self delusion by some as is the claim that FOX has on straight news during the day. MSNBC’s morning show is hosted by a conservative, a former GOP congressman. Would FOX give 3 hours a day to a liberal? I don’t think so.

You should show more respect for the Office of the Presidency, stop hating this country and be more patriotic!!

Four Conservatives to one Liberal

They didn’t have to…..

Lol!! You should worry about yourself while seeking help for your delusions of thinking Sarah Palin will run for President and believing she’s qualified for the job!!

Jerry is not afraid to tell it like it is

jerry needs to sue newscorp for stealing his show idea, and turning into the foxnuze.  same format, just more blond xtian spokeholes. but just as much mudslinging…. fox is a cartoon, and the foxbots are the most UN-educated and UN-informed in the USA.  goober pyle, lives on fox.

Deregulation is what started our downfall…..You can thank Reagan for that..

Grandpa Gavin is nothing more than a Fox News robot who will defend the network no matter what!!

I wonder why righties call Obama “The One” …..Do they see something very Spiritual about him?

You mean like how ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, PBS, MSNBC, NYT, WP, Newsweek, Time, USA Today, Chicago Tribune, Los Angeles Times bashed Bush everyday for 8 years?

Poor Obama.  I don’t know how he survives.

Come on Springer, someone has to present a counterpoint to the
glorifying and deifying of Obama by the MSN and Fox News is doing an awesome
job of it.

Someone has to point out that Obama is an empty suit, and that he takes
no responsibility for any of his decisions, but to be fair to Obama he is not
responsible because he actually never makes any decisions, he just regurgitates
what he is spoon feed by his handlers..

But then again as Obama continues to say after 3 1/2 years into the
presidency that “It is Bush’s fault” and Obama will also go down in
history, as a one term president because he blamed Bush for his many failures
and incompetence’s  one million times to
often.

It is so apparent…..

What is a PVR?

What negatives?…..

I’m sure you’re a big fan of Vitter, Ensign, Sanford, Allen and Craig?? Or how about this guy, was he your all-time favorite:
“ John David Roy Atchison, Republican prosecutor, was arrested for soliciting sex from a 5-year old girl, then killed himself three weeks later. At the time of his arrest, Atchison was an “assistant U.S. attorney” appointed by President Bush’s attorney general”

I hope you’re not presenting those articles as evidence of MSNBC attempting to present itself as “fair and balanced.”  There’s no evidence of that.  They are simply saying that the Democratic party isn’t in cohoots with MSNBC the way the GOP is with Fox.  You can disagree with them, but that doesn’t mean that they’re trying to present MSNBC as ideologically neutral.

The ONLY news network to constantly bash its colleagues on other networks is FOX. Your Media Guru, Rupert Murdoch brought that tabloid and partisan approach to American media as a business model to serve the stupidity of stupid people in the U.S. Give them what they want–half truths, lies and distortions–and they’ll watch regardless of what they say.

Are you actually telling us that there is vast global media conspiracy against conservatives? And that FOX is the only credible source of news. If you believe that you are a cult member –not deserving of debate.  YOU ARE PART OF THE NEW VICTIM SOCIETY!

O’Reilly is a pretender, Hannity is a Conservative who has thre conservatives to one liberal on his panel, Greta is clueless, but questioning, Baier seems fair and Meghan leans right, sometimes left.

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To WCinWI2:
No, he’s simply correcting the obvious falsehood that Fox is the only network to “actually consistently offer the Conservative opinion.” 

“MSNBC does not have a political agenda.”

How can any one with intelligence watch MSNBC and believe this is true?  What’s the difference from hiding your agenda or lying about it? To me it’s equally disingenuous. 

He’ll wash your dishes after he eats your lunch…..

It’s called working your way up…..You gotta start somewhere….

Who knew that Jerry Springer watches Fox & friends “every single day, I mean EVERY single day, every day!”  

No, it does represent a fair and balanced view.

No hosts on MSNBC are conservative. Would you like to disprove this?

Balderdash, rubbish and crap!

FOX hardly ever mention any of their competitors, good, bad or indifferent, while just about every opinion show on MSNBC spends most of their time criticizing FOX, using condescending and offensive adjectives to describe FOX hosts, and Republicans in general.

Just goes to show who is confident in their own ability to produce quality and who have to rely on name-calling.

The owner of Piggly Wiggly has a big Don’t Tread on Me sign on his lawn. Winning!

Put that quote in context.  It’s saying that MSNBC doesn’t take it’s marching orders from the DNC or committed to be a vehicle for ensuring the success of Democratic candidates.  They are not claiming ideological neutrality.  They are distinguishing what they do from what Fox does.

Balderdash, rubbish and crap!

FOX hardly ever mention any of their competitors, good, bad or indifferent, while just about every opinion show on MSNBC spends most of their time criticizing FOX, using condescending and offensive adjectives to describe FOX hosts, and Republicans in general.

Just goes to show who is confident in their own ability to produce quality and who have to rely on name-calling.

I have no problem admitting that the FOX opinion shows are about as right biased as MSNBC opinion shows are left-biased, but I would like to hear from those who habitually bash FOX what is wrong with how Bret Baer or Shepard Smith present the news.

Jerry Springer knows his show is not to be taken seriously and has said so publicly countless times.  Jerry doesn’t pretend his show is anything other than what it is.  Fox on the other hand exploits it’s moronic masses all day everyday and pretends to be fair and balanced news.

Fox News doesn’t constantly bash Obama, it just looks that way compared to all the other networks who have a slobbering love affair with him and protect him at all costs, afterall, they are largely responsible for electing this disaster!!

It’s hard to believe she was able to get that out and keep a straight face.  Plus don’t forget she’s the independent because she sits in the middle…..LOL

Joe Scarborough

Politics has more in common with pro wrestling than anything else. 

I wish they would actually wrestle each other some times. 

Seriously, who in america actually believes Fox is fair and balanced?  Yes, MSNBC leans left, but they say they do.  They dont claim to not be.  Fox is such a damn joke when they say, “fair and balanced”. 

Judging by the number of guests of liberal point of view on FOX compared to the number of guests with a conservative point of view on CNN or especially on MSNBC, it is safe to say that FOX if far more fair and balanced than the others.

I certainly can admit that Fox pushes right, not sure they get their talking points from RNC like this:

http://newsbusters.org/blogs/mark-finkelstein/2010/06/21/mika-admits-im-working-white-house-oil-spill-talking-points

Personal Video Recorder.

0bama sees himself as god. He promised to stop the tide and lower see levels.

Is not a Republican in a conservative world.

Walking thru the park a guy sees an old man, wearing an 0bama T-shirt playing chess with a dog. The old man makes a move, the dog makes a move. Then, again.

So, the guy says to the old man: “Your doggie must be very smart, playing chess!”   The old  man, wearing the 0bama T-shirt replies: “Hell, no! I beat him three times out of five!”

LMAO!

Did this Low-Rent Circus Clown ever complain about the bashing Bush got from the entire MSM?

Obama’s ACTIONS get what they deserve!

Yes, you are right.  We are all idiots.  We shouldn’t be allowed to vote.

Your math is excellent! President Obama has been President ALMOST 3 years, January 21st, 2009 as I recall. Where did you come up with that extra 1/2 year? Oh, you must’ve heard it on Faux News.

You are correct, I don’t think it matters much what Faux says about the President.  Most people are smart enough to figure out they are biased.  Those that don’t already don’t matter anyway.

Yes, MSNBC is also biased.  You win.

If Jerry Springer sees the constant drum-beat of the FOX-hole, surely everyone else sees the same. It’s no wonder anything gets done with this wasteland’s continued “Bigot-ritic tryst”! If you are tired of all the falsehoods and lying emanating from this fringe sector, turn them off.

OK – I thought there might be some area of debate still open, what with Fox still circulating what used to be called “The Moody Memo” (before Sr. VP John Moody left Fox in 2010) giving all writers, producers, editors and on-air the preferred management POV on the stories of the day, which is a practice you won’t find at any other broadcast or major print outlet. 

Also, I thought there might also be some discussion of the fact that Fox news president Roger Ailes, in admitting that he was tacking Fox back a bit toward center in an interview a few months ago — http://www.thedailybeast.com/newsweek/2011/09/25/roger-ailes-repositions-fox-news.html -  pretty much admitted that the Fox bias has damaged the republican primaries by driving the GOP base too far to the right.  

Both of these would lead me to believe that the discussion of both liberal and conservative positions on Fox might be pretty slanted in one direction. But then you wrote “Period.”  So you must be right. 

I especially liked the FOX Christmas Card, Santa’s Sleigh Pulling away from other MSM outlets. Lefty’s howled!

Remember when journalism was: Who, What, Where, How and When? That was journalism, the beat reporter with the beat cop, Story before the evening editions come out.  Now we are on a 24/7 News Cycle, not enough new news to report, so commentary fills the gap. That is what has happened to the Old Media.

She’s been so pressured to drive home the corporate spin, she incorporates both of FNC’s most famous promo lines (“fair and balanced” and “We report, you decide”) in her defense of her bosses.

“…we have a fair and balanced panel right here.”
”we present both sides of the story and we leave it up to our viewers to decide where they fall.”

Well done, Gretchen! You can keep your job..

What Fox lovers can’t quite understand is that being a 24/7 liberal-bashing network is fine. But you can’t be a 24/7 liberal-bashing network and then call yourselves “fair and balanced.” MSNBC can bash conservatives all they want, but they’re not selling some bullsh*t notion that they’re fair and balanced. I’d still hate them, but I’d at least respect FNC’s honestly if they just came out and said what they are.

If you believe that Barney Frank had a major hand in the economic crash, it also means you believe that GSEs (fannie, freddie..) had more than a fractional role.  If that’s the case you have a lot to learn about the impact of the Gramm-Leach-Bliley Act of 1999, which responded to 300 million dollars worth of Financial sector lobbying by repealing the entire 65 year old Glass Steagall Act which had maintained protection to keep investment banks from running amok (and doing so with capital annexed thru commercial banks and huge insurance companies like AIG…) 

This was a Republican drafted and sponsored piece of deregulation that was happily signed by an overly Wall Street appeasing Democratic president in Bill Clinton, with a Goldman Sachs Alum he installed as Secretary of the Treasury (Bob Rubin) cheering him on.  So there’s plenty of blame for both parties.   Good account of the impact of all this can be seen in books like “The Big Short” and “House of Cards” and in a faster, more succinct fashion in last years Oscar winning feature documentary “Inside Job.”

But the fact that the financial crash of 2008 can clearly be placed at the feet of the Corporate God of Deregulation and Corporate domination of Congress means that you will never get an honest discussion of any of this from any major network, and most especially never from Fox!

“i’m the independent” this is of course the same carlson who called ted kennedy a hostile enemy of the united states. 

yes gretchen is in the middle of dumb and dumber. I thought their heads would explode the week leading up to the election when they knew the sellout McCain and stupid Sarah were doomed to lose. Sure their fair and balanced like when they ask “is Obama a socailist hell bent on ruining the country?” The way they frame every question or bring up topic they always frame it to fit the right wing agenda. Any reasonable person can see that. They play to the 30% of the country who are ignorant backward morons.

Keeping in mind that Matthews real comment was saying he wants every president to succeed because it’s good for the country — This is the same Matthews who, on the day Dubya landed on the Carrier and was playing war hero in his flight suit, crowed on air that he had never been prouder of his commander in chief, and laughed that he didn’t think that John Kerry (then the presumed Democratic nominee for the upcoming 2004 elections &a man who actually had been in combat,)  could never have been as convincing as Bush.

Matthews also had a number of embarrassing comments both on air, and caught off air while the mic was still on talking about how much he revered Tom Delay, and essentially saying how much admired his tactical ability to sell cynical legislation with strong arm techniques.

Matthews is & always has been a sycophantic suck up to power no matter what side of the aisle it comes from.

Kudos on your moral stand!  I’m assuming that for consistency you also turn away from the TV every time documented hooker aficionado Dick Morris is ripping Obama on a Fox panel, or Call Girl & Diaper fan David Vitter is interviewed…

Yes they klet him on and then denigrate everything Springer says.  But then “Fair and Balanced” is simply a euphemism and has no grounding in fact.  But it is their program and their right.  It is my right as a thinking Republican to NEVER turn on their biased programming.  It is too, too embarrassing.

klet = let

 I agree with your comments….I stopped watching Fox 2 yrs ago and my blood pressure is fine now. BTW thanks for the link.

What a load of crap from her – FOX spends almost all of its time telling lies about out amazing President!  I applaud Andrew Sullivan for telling it like it is!!!

In spite of the stupid show he now hosts Springer was a mayor!

If you really want balanced reporting you need to watch PBS and listen to NPR – because most of their funding comes from people instead of Corporations (which own the other stations!) they don’t have to kneel on the throne and bs the people!

Fox News is no news only Murdoch propaganda and illegal wiretapping, etc.  If you think that Fox is not involved in the same shameless activities as other Murdoch owned media sources, you are a fool.  As to speaking out against Obama, they can’t shut up with their blatant lies and deceptive remarks.  They are as a group no more than the epitome of Josef Goebbels.  Murdoch is a Nazi just like the Pope.

Well that, and the leaked Moody memos enforcing the company POV for the days stories each morning on each news writer, editor, producer and on-air talent.

…and the admission by Roger Ailes that Fox’s hard right advocacy had likely unbalanced the GOP primaries by pushing the base too far right…and the very existance of Ailes himself as network president after a quarter century of running media for the GOP, including roles with Nixon, and a pivotal role with George HW Bush, not to mention his attempt in the mid-70s to create “GOP TV” to get the republican opinion entrenched at local news affiliates by giving them free video stories written and cut from the republican party perspective.

… And the promotion of Bill Sammon to Fox News Washington Bureau Chief after a decade spent writing political hit books on behalf of George W. Bush.

… And the accounts of scores of former Fox News employees of the pressure they felt to toe the conservative line in the stories they touched.

…And the repeated visits to Fox News (and only Fox News among broadcast outlets) of VP Dick Cheney during the Bush administration years.

… And the 1.25 million dollar contribution by Fox News to the Republican Governors association, dedicated to electing and re-electing GOP governors.

….and the off year housing on Fox News payroll of as much of the likely/presumed GOP presidential contender field as they can (see: Newt, Santorum, as well as  Huckabee and Palin who ultimately opted out for 2012..)   

….And the active promotion of, coordination with, and appearance of on-air talent on behalf of the Tea Party…

 My biggest problem with FOX is when they take a statement the President makes and then cut it to distort it entirely so that it comes out the opposite of what the President actually said and meant – that’s not “fair and balanced” – that’s what trash like The Enquirer does.
The President said during the 08 campaign, when speaking about McCain that McCain himself told an audience “if this campaign is about the economy we lose” – FOX and the GOP had the President saying that about himself in this cycle – that’s just a bald faced lie!!!

I am a life long Republican but anyone who thinks Fox is fair and balanced truly embarrasses me by their lack of critical thinking.  I always wonder why our party sucks up to these demon spouting journalists that crimp facts to make us look better.  Obviously they THINK that the real facts are not good enough and that makes me sick of their stupidity.  who needs their swill and embellishments.

Are you serious?  Fox parrots Republican talking points all the time.  Two differences: 1. They don’t admit it.  2. They do it on “straight news” shows.

http://mediamatters.org/research/200904230018
http://mediamatters.org/research/201109220001
http://mediamatters.org/research/201107080020
http://mediamatters.org/research/200910130047
http://mediamatters.org/research/200904060021

Every day? Is that all? If they were doing their jobs right they would be bashing him at least every hour.

LOL FOX.

You’re serious?    Holy smokes.  

Yes, and Bush Sr. literally wanted 1,000 people to shed light.

And what Gretchen teased as the next segment proved Jerry wrong how? At least someone can pop on the network and tell them what they do every day.

Springer is correct.  And also is one terrific human being in actuality.

They’ve even admitted it. O’Reilly and Wallace both have basically said, “we give the GOP spin on things.” Wallace admitted it to Jon Stewart and O’Reilly has said it multiple times. Not to mention the actual leaked memos from Fox chief Bill Sammon, who specifically outlines language that should be used in favor of the Right. 

The term “Orwellian” is overused but it really applies to certain aspects of Fox. Whatever they’re very strongly asserting (“fair & balanced,” etc), you can assume the opposite is true, much of the time. 

MSNBC isn’t reliable either but you’ll hear Dems say as much whereas most of the Right really believes Fox is giving them the full story. And of all the yellow journalism going on, Fox is the worst. 

That was a Romney ad, not Fox News.

Springer is right and that there’s even a debate about the Roger Ailes led bias at FOX…

Springer pawns the ditz host. She can’t even defend Springer’s truth.

He wasn’t calling people illiterate, was he?

Right. But the Righties who read this site will just look the other way and pretend it’s not happening. The background of Roger Ailes alone should be enough. He’s a guy who is on the record (I believe in White House transcripts) saying he wanted to start a television station that would be GOP propaganda. He actually launched it and its slogan was “Fair & Balanced” but the project floundered. Then he went to work for GH Bush. 

By the way, I’ve read about most of what you posted, but what’s your source on the former Fox employees and the Cheney visits? 

Commendable, Gavins. The problem I have with cable news, though, is that some shows rig the game. For example, Fox may have one Dem and two Repubs, but the host will be sure to cut of the Dem and there is a real effort to make sure the Repubs look better. MSNBC does it as well, I know. In the end, it’s a waste of time for the viewers. It would be much better instead if shows actually allowed people to articulate their argument fully, with evidence, and then debate the different points. Everyone shouts over one another now. 

I totally agree with your statement!!

Kudos to Carlson for being able to keep a straight face as it can’t be easy to tell a whopper like that.

“FOX is a talk radio format injected into a broadcast news format and every one in the industry –including FOX employees know that.”

Even if true, what does that have to do with ‘objective reporting’?

and your point is?  sheesh, you got a problem with a freakin slogan? Come on, man.

My point?  Are you even following the discussion here?  Yes, I have a problem with a slogan when it’s obviously not the case.  It’s like Bud adopting the slogan:  Drink Bud.  Improved Driving Skills Guaranteed.

I wished that Glass-Steagall was still in place, however it was drafted by Larry Summers (D) of the Clinton Administration, and yes it had bi-partisan support. Yes the same Larry Summers from Goldmann-Sachs, who advocates for a world currency, and [no wiki] forgot to pay taxes or had an illegal alien nanny, can’t remember which, so many scandals and sucides from Clinton Administration.

Forgetting Piers Morgan from CNN, Hacking phones is endemic on the Fleet St. Press.

for you. intelligence = talks trash about them ..  

You forgot to bash the Prince of darkness, Richard Perle.
You forgot to bash the Mushtashe,   John Bolton
You forgot to bash    Darth Cheney
Get you liberal walking papers out and read the fine print.

 Can we agree there is scum on both sides and get on with getting rid of them?   The subject here is whether Fox is fair and balanced and people bring up MSNBC or CNN or NPR as the comparison which is a total joke and you all know that.   Do you ever count the number of Liberals who have voice over at Fox?   You guys are not running for office, so its ok to tell it like it is.  Try that sometime  makes you feel better.

If that’s what Fox does, bash Obama every day…

Well, good for Fox News.  Makes a nice change from most news organizations licking Obama’s feet as our nation crumbles due to his policies.

I’ve seen his show.  You can’t tell me that is the work of a terrific human being.

You do know that Springer is a democrat, even once holding political office in the democrat party.

He’s only parroting the party line, that only terrible people criticize Obama.

Oh, that’s right. I forgot about the show that’s on in the middle of the night, with 300K avg. viewers, has the conservative guest. *eyeroll* Obviously they have an occasional conservative on, but MSNBC spends far more time bashing Conservatives, FOX and playing the race card than they do actually having a fair and balanced approach. 

Even if Fox News is relentless in criticizing Obama, is that a bad thing?  Especially when you consider how much of the rest of the media is in Obama’s pocket.

Don’t forget about the relentless attacks on Bush by everyone else.  As one Fox guy recently pointed out, when Katrina hit, all the rest of the media were nailing Bush for the poor response of the federal government, while only Fox also examined and found wanting the responses of the state and city governments (which were democrat).

I know. Comedy Gold!

Damn
politicallie, you mean there is still 9 more months before the next election
and not six months!

I guess
it was just my hopeful thinking, you know kind of looking forward to real
change … damn it’s going to be a long winter

But if
you wish to stay more informed, you truly should watch Fox News more often, you
know just to be more fair and balance to your own psyche.

Chris Matthews admits (on his show) that he is a liberal and doesn’t claim to be fair. That is the difference! Some of us don’t chide Faux for being conservative. We chide them for claiming independence, balanced or fair (like the broad in this piece) while trotting out partisan (conservative) talking points. What that effectively does is it MOVES the middle to the right. Even centrist news organizations become liberal using that scale. You have heard that same panel accuse Politico, a paper founded by a former assistant to Pres. Ronald Reagan as being a liberal outfit. it is INSANE!

Bill O’Reilly of all people never admits to being a conservative.

Somebody inform Springer that Obama gives FOX something to bash every day.
Today it’s the Keystone Pipeline….which would create hundreds of thousands of jobs
Instead…..we will be saving thousands of grasshopper deaths or something of the sort.
GEEZUS!!….The man needs a petroleum enema!!
BTW……..Jerry…..Let’s address who MSNBC “bashes” every day and twice as much on weekends.
Liberals are toads.

Somebody inform Springer that Obama gives FOX something to bash every day.
Today it’s the Keystone Pipeline….which would create hundreds of thousands of jobs
Instead…..we will be saving thousands of grasshopper deaths or something of the sort.
GEEZUS!!….The man needs a petroleum enema!!
BTW……..Jerry…..Let’s address who MSNBC “bashes” every day and twice as much on weekends.
Liberals are toads.

Well how quaint,
President Obama is going to Fairyland to promote tourism, instead of working at
his desk, promoting jobs initiatives with corporation and small businesses.

Isn’t there a Florida
tourism bureau specially designed to do promote Florida and its many
attractions? Is Obama somehow obliged to do that promo, in order to get Disney
Corporation to form a Super PAC for his re-election?

 I will bet 10,000 dollars Bush made him do it…Yea,
it’s all Bush’s fault!

By hypocritical Duke Chesnut
“What has the Obama regime done that has a positive effect on the economy? Please don’t say “car in the ditch”, because if you do , Barney Frank grabbed the wheel and pulled it there. MSNBC is like N.Korean News, not Fox, Fox is the loyal opposition, NBC repeats DNC talking points, is like Pravda and Tass during the Soviet days.”

So you admit that FNC is NOT objective by virtue of it being “the loyal opposition” right? It has an ideological and partisan agenda. You just stated that!  Guffaw. It is, after all the GOP media attack dog. Kinda funny how you accuse NBC/MSNBC for (dishonesty) for doing the very same thing you claim FNC engages in that is virtuous. Did you even read your post before submitting it?

Have you been watching Morning Joe sense Newt came out with the Bain Capital stuff?  Scarborough has been sounding like an inform-mercial for the GOP?

What about Scarborough and Ratigan?  They are to the right.

Well said. 

So true!  Commentary has filled the gap because no on has the money to do any investigation or research.  They just repeat what other people say or editorialize. The result is that the audience gets low quality political news on the cheap. 

There is nothing middle about FOX.

MSNBC is liberal but it talks about the conservative positions with more intelligence than FOX’s prime time does. Period. 

When everyone was attacking Bush, you sought out news that attacked Democrats. That’s not ferreting out the truth. You’re just trying to find news that fits your politics views.

Johnny 100 Pesos: how many hours of Rush do you listen to a day? Anyone who refers to the “Democrat party”, as opposed to the “Democratic party”, is a Rush zombie. In order to be “fair and balanced”, you may want to eliminate that “tell” from your anti-liberal repertoire.

Not sure if there’s any logic or meaning to the word salad you just tossed there. 

But when you sober up, I’d be willing to see any rational explanations you have for any of the factual statements I listed about Fox News and Roger Ailes, other than the fact that Fox and Ailes are overt political advocates for the Republican party. 

Just want to make sure I am keeping score on Fox here—

Andrew Sullivan: Not serious enough to have as a guest.
Jerry Springer: Serious enough to have as a guest.

Okay, got it.

How could he if he doesn’t know what it means? 

cough,cough, bullsh!t,cough,cough

Larry Summers, who was a toxic financial advisor to both Clinton and Obama, didn’t draft Gramm-Bliley, but he certainly was the #2 cheerleader behind Rubin in getting it passed.  I don’t for one second give him a pass any more than you should the masses of GOP who helped bring about the climate for the 2008 Financial apocalypse…

Its a shame we don’t have Anthony Weiner or Alan Grayson to kick around anymore.
They were so positive and bi-partisan, not like the gracious anchors on FOX.

Dragonfish sounds like you’re sick…..take some castor oil…..that will clean you out…..

Dragonfish are you sick ?…..take some castor oil…..that will clean you out…..

I don’t listen to the radio.

And I always try to use the term democrat rather than democratic because I don’t think that they are very democratic at all.

But by rejecting Fox’s criticism of Obama, couldn’t it be said that you are doing the same?

I just think it’s healthy to have an alternative opinion voiced.  And while Fox tends to confirm my views, the fact is they aren’t my only news source (the fact that I’m here should indicate that).

What do politicians have to do with TV anchors? Get a brain! LOL

The problem people have is the ‘fair and balanced’ lie. If they want to be the right-wing mouthpiece, fine, but admit it.

He is not saying ‘terrible’ people criticize Obama. He is just saying Fox bashes Obama 24/7 which makes a lie of their ‘fair and balanced’ motto. It is their right to do so but they should own it and drop the charade.

She said that with an almost straight face…

…the only thing fair and balanced was Carlson’s fluffy hairstyle.

Whom exactly is she kidding?!?

Apparently GavisPapa hasn’t been watching much CNN recently. They’ve been skewing to the right in a feeble attempt to take more of Fox’s numbers.

He’s probably related to Moses…..All of us go back to Adam & Eve, you know…..

You’re confusing a “slogan” with a “claim”. Big difference. FOX doesn’t guarantee anything, for example.

But, your bias is obvious, and duly noted.

Jerry Springer…. The best Liberals have to offer.

Fox is not an alternative voice (neither is MSNBC).
Their job is to push their chosen agenda. 
That means ignoring facts that don’t fit the agenda.
If, as an example, it was determined that Bush was 100% at fault for Katrina, do you really think Fox would report that?
If, as an example, it was determined that Democratic politicians were 100% at fault for Katrina, do you really think MSNBC would report that?

Of course not. The truth is not their job. The truth is messy. The truth requires people to question their believes. The truth requires people to sometimes say, “my opponent is right.” Is that what Fox and MSNBC do? Ever?

The problem with Fox News is not that they attack Obama every day, but that they attack him with falsehoods and mischaracterizations.  If they were to attack his policies and policy ideas with constructive criticisms rather than simply labelling him and his his ideas as marxist, fascist, un-American, and who knows what else, then they might have a credible leg to stand on.  But they don’t.  And so they continue to hobble along ridiuclously making noises, not unlike that knight John Cleese played in “The Search for the Holy Grail” after Michael Palin hacked off most of his limbs.

‘Fair and balanced’ doesn’t mean that FOX claims to be without a conservative perspective. It means that they present both sides of an issue and they do. The formula works be cause their viewership tops the other cable networks by two to one. BTW, why doesn’t someone defend MSNBC’s suspending Pat Buchanan because its management didn’t like what was in his book? How’s that for being ‘fair and balanced’?

Give us just ONE example of FOX’s ‘blatant dishonesty’?  What was it-some unpleasant truth you didn’t like hearing?

Apples to raisens. This mess started in 1977, community re-investment act; helped along by both parties. Bush43 tried to reign in Freddie and Fannie, but was blocked by Barney Frank.
When it comes to Wall Street, Obama had way more money come his way in ’08 than McCain did.  Why no Wall St. Reform,? Obama’s largest contributors from Wall Street.

That picture of Gretchen scares me.  She looks like she just consumed the souls of 50 men!

Weiner and Grayson regulars every night on MSNBC, even when they had guest hosts like Ezra Klein.

Oh no, I’ve been outed.  And this proves what?

Listen, a good slogan doesn’t make any legally binding guarantees.  Obviously.  But a good slogan should give an accurate impression of the company or organization.  A bad slogan attempts to deceive by giving a false impression.  “Fair and Balanced” and “We report; you decide” are bad slogans. 

Jerry springer who has been holding up white trash, black bangers, and other low life’s up for ridicule for years. I guarantee you if his ” guests” or his audience vote there are few if any republicans in the mix.

Gretchen Carlson, the “independent” one among the three F&F presenters. 

Yes, she said that.

I kid you not.

I didn’t read all the posts, but I’m guessing this brought all the FOX-Haters out!

Boy, these Media Matters-type clapping seals are more predictable than a Democrat Playing the Race Card!

Oh, you meant he WON the election 3 and 1/4 years ago.  But that’s not what you said.  Well, that makes all kinds of sense because I’m sure he was giving orders to the congress the day after the election. And you are wrong on another count, I do watch Faux News, to point and laugh, and laugh and laugh.  I know you must LOVE them.  They play fast and loose with the facts too.

Thanks for that lame deflection, but we KNOW Fair and Balanced. And it ain’t fox you dummy!

Sorry you assumed something that my posts show isn’t true.

I (Liberal) have a bet w/my bf (Conservative) every day about how often Fox says Obama’s name during F&Fs and O’Reilly.  I win every time!  They should rename the FNC “The Bash Obama” network…it’s pathetic.

You can not be fair and balanced if you have an ideological perspective. That is COMMON SENSE! You will naturally be biased.

“It means that they present both sides of an issue and they do.”

MSNBC has conservative and Republican contributors too. Using your metrics, they are just as “far and balanced” as Faux is. 

“The formula works be cause their viewership tops the other cable networks by two to one.”

You are committing two logical mistakes here.
1. Argumentum ad populum. Popularity of an issue does not burnish it’s credibility, validity or veracity. It just means it’s popular. Fox News having big ratings does not infer they are truth speakers. 

2. Fox caters to conservatives. Conservatives are the biggest ideological group in the USA, thus, by logic and simple reasoning, since they cater to that demographic, they will have higher ratings due to demographics. Again, it has little to do with how “well” they cover news. It actually could be used to prove their partisan tinge. After all, people watch news that reinforces their pre-existing beliefs and views.

They were guests on to express their opinions, a big difference from an anchors role. No one suggested they were ‘fair and balanced’. Wake up!

Fox doesn’t bash Obama.It just seems like it?Then you say the rest of the the media,blah,blah,blah…..loves Obama,blah,blah…..,everyone else is just too stupid to realize Fox is fair.Dude do you really believe people buy this stuff.

Fox News is a Republican propaganda channel registered as “Entertainment” which allows it to indulge in whatever spinnery they want.

Republican Strategy:
Demoralize the Democratic base with phony press releases and whisper campaigns.
Attack opponents strength with character assassination. Suppress the vote in every possible way. Buy some people off with tax cuts. Scare the rest into voting against their own interests.

They’ve done this for the last 100 years.    http://gopdirtytricks.blogspot.com/

http://www.alternet.org/story/149193

Off the top of my head there’s the time ORielly said to Reublican Senator Tom Coburn,
“We checked and nobody on Fox ever said that Obamacare will result in people going to jail”
blatent lie.
How about Fox repeating the lie that Obama’s India trip would cost $200 million a day.
Fox spreading the lie about death panels in Obama care
Paid contributer Newt Gingrich saying Scott Walker wasn’t doing anything he hadn’t campaigned on when he worked to end collective bargianing.  Lie.
Sean Hannity claiming Obama said insurance execs are bad people.
Shall I go on? I can.
How about this from Fox and Friends since they’re the subject of this thread.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YKV_JswtO58

ad to outright lies the consistant distortion and innuendo and propeganda by repeating bullshot rumors with the qualifier “some say” or “there are reports” This is not the occasional mistake. This is a consistant pattern the clearly indcates intent.

Honest, I value the truth very much. Politics and the liberal appraoch vs the conservative approach is a lot about opinons on how to deal with certain issues and problems. The best way to find real solutions is to start with the facts , the whole truth and nothing but the truth as the courts say, and then discuss our opinions about what those facts indicate and how to solve real world problems that affect real people. We can’t do that if our news media and our elected officials can’t bring themsleves to deal with real facts and continuosly lie and distort as part of thier game.

He doesn’t get as much air time as Donald Trump.

Regardless of Jerry’s shamlessness in how he’s made his millions , he’s a decent intelligent person who’s not quite the egomaniac, blowhard Trump is. Trump gets lots of airtime on Fox because he like to trash talk.

The fadct that you repeat that Fox news  mantra shows their barrage of bullshit is working. Obama certainly deserves criticism but can we at least do it based on real world facts?
It seems to me that Fox and consrvatives are blaming the current fire department for starting a fire they didn’t start, by claiming the fire should be out by now and the property should be rebuilt.
It just doesn’t make sense. And the idea that the current selection of GOP candidates will turn things around is borderline delusional IMO

Of course. Propeganda and lies are very helpful to maintain a healthy democratic republic. Doesn’t everybody know that?

OOO OOO There are several Fox news employees I want to see wrestle, jello , oil, stuff like that. Then we’d get some honesty from them.

“Come on Springer, someone has to present a counterpoint to the
glorifying and deifying of Obama by the MSN and Fox News is doing an awesome
job of it.”
Sure, dishonesty balances dishonesty, everyone knows that.

BTW; Fox was doing it waaayyyy before MSNBC devcided to cpoy their model with the liberal alternative.

Did you notice how Carlson pulls a “McCarthy” by referencing some mysterious document in her lap and reading off some facetious list describing “How smart are Obamas critics”   –  no reference to the source or author,,,simply unprofessional. She should join Sarah Palin her her helicopter shooting helpless moose.

Obama should have been removed from office years ago for all the shit he’s pulled
 

Jayne…you ignorant S_L_U_T………Amazing Pres my eye!!!

i havent seen anything amazing after three years.  besides the amazing way he gets to basically  push his bills through without allowing both sides to vote.. or the amazing way he is trying to force his unwanted obamacare down everyones throats or penalize them for not getting healthcare.
heck the government should want us all to die early on so they won’t have to part with as much social security that they keep trying to steal from us anyway.

hey Chris…you’re an idiot!!  your remark, isnt yours…use your own brain if you have one…It might have been sucked out by these crazies atf Fox

how intelligent of you,do you think only your perspective counts?

Fox News has always been one of the GOP instruments in proliferating their ignorant propaganda – doesn’t matter how many words or how they say them to try and convince me otherwise. Jerry has a point – Obama may not be the perfect President, but he’s done a HELL of alot better job that George W did and they NEVER give him credit for anything – everything is always about “how can we twist this to make Obama look bad”! Until the Republicans figure out that their precious conservative majority has dwindled and start taking the MAJORITY of the American people’s opinions into consideration – they will NOT get back into that office. We’re onto their manipulative, dishonest tricks. (Btw, I’m an Independent).
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“Democrat Playing the Race Card.”

Huh. You mean by nominating a black guy for president?  Yeah, guess they shouldn’t have done that. Then we wouldn’t have to hear any conversations about race relations in America, ’cause white candidates don’t have any, like, you know … racial problems.

But those darn black folks. Make one of ‘em president, and then every time somebody says Fox sucks, or one of their commentators is a jerk … well, you just KNOW that they’re really saying that it’s racial, because it COULDN’T be that people just think that Fox sucks, or that one of their commentators is a jerk.

Nope. It’s a Democrat playing the “race card.”

What do expect from the news of the antichrist fox=666.

SPRINGER, What a bottom feeder.

Lamont, you big dummy. Heh.

Lee Dog, you are an asswipe parasite Liberal. Get your food stamps yet?

From CMPA (Center for Media and Public Affairs) at George Mason University.

Springer is wrong. Go to their website and read the study. 

Study: TV News Bashes Romney, Boosts Horse RaceCBS Is More Positive Than FOX Toward GOP Field

Ever listen to MSNBC?  They even claimed that Scott Brown was using some sort of racist “dog whistle” by driving a pickup truck.  

How can you claim the Republicans are manipulative and dishonest? Yes most politicians are manipulative and dishonest, (Democrats included) but what the democrats have done and are doing are now destroying our country. Bush wasn’t the best, ( ( didn’t vote for him either) but I am five times more worse off than when Bush was in office. Everyone I know are experiencing the same problems. We are not the elite, we try and work for everything we own, but pushing us into socialism and seeing our President take sides with Mexico, and going against our alies in Israel is the last straw. Our children and grandchildren will be even worse off than us in the future if this administration keeps on going.

You said it all!

I’ll tell you how, he’s surviving,  he’s the real party guy, the everyday golfer, and the all time vacationer. He should join the circus,

You’re presumably referring to a discussion between Olbermann & Howard Fineman.  Not their finest moment.  But the idiots on Fox are so far ahead on stupid points, that it hardly matters.

The “pickup truck” observation would have been better had they given credit to Scott Brown for using it as a working-class metaphor. Truly a silly issue.

Doesn’t belie the accuracy of my observation … Democrats are no more predisposed than anybody else to “play the race card.”  If anything, sensitivity about race is exaggerated by the right as a red herring to deflect attention from other issues.

Case in point: You had to dig pretty hard for that one. Goes back a couple years.

Need to get your facts straight; otherwise, you’ll be declared officially STOOPID!
They’re quoting OBAMA in a 2009 interview on 60 Minutes.  We accept your apology for getting your facts wrong and trying to make it look like it was someone else at fault.

I’m wondering how much Bechel pays FOX to let him sit in. What a waste of air!!!!!

Gavins – When your response to an argument is to criticize and deflect while not addressing any salient points in the argument itself, you have failed. Debating 101.

Responding to factual commentary on actual Fox News practices by nattering about CNN, or MSNBC (where is CNN or MSNBC mentioned in any of the above article?) means you cannot refute the argument.

The other typical response from dips on the right when Fox is criticized is to mention how popular it is. Great, it’s the Maroon 5 of news. Take that leftwingers!

Whenever I wonder how an Australian and a Saudi can hold such sway over dumb, gullible Americans, I am reminded by reading comments by wingnuts.

I REPEAT! (I am c/p’ing from above)

When your response to an argument is to criticize and deflect while not addressing any salient points in the argument itself, you have failed. Debating 101.

Responding to factual commentary on actual Fox News practices by nattering about MSNBC (where is MSNBC mentioned in any of the above article?) means you cannot refute the argument.

The other typical response from dips on the right when Fox is criticized is to mention how popular it is. Great, it’s the Maroon 5 of news. Take that leftwingers!

Whenever I wonder how an Australian and a Saudi can hold such sway over dumb, gullible Americans, I am reminded by reading comments by wingnuts.

President Obama, “bashes” himself, everyday.  However, Obama does not seem to care that his policies and objectives bother a significant plurality of Americans.  We can wonder if the man is obtuse, or as resilient a leader as ever was?

A leader who has the kind of National political objectives as Obama does, must possess a disregard for his opponents, as well as have a single minded sense of purpose.  Obama has these characteristics, curiously, so too did/does some of the most perseverant strongmen in history.

My conclusion is that President Obama has not yet told the Nation what his plans truly are?  Many American’s hope, while others fear, what they believe to be Obama’s intentions.

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