1) The book is paper and cardboard and unfortunately, its not the last copy of the Koran.

2) The people they killed were not the ones that burned the book.

3) The book burning took place on the other side of the globe from Afghanistan.

Yeah, I would say these people are radicals.

so…i guess the next person to perform a random act of violence toward someone muslim in america can just blame their actions on the muslims who killed the 11 UN members?

it’s surprising they’re more angry at some dude they’ve never heard of for burning a koran 10K miles away than they are about the US and NATO airstrikes in their country causing civilian casualties.

Terry Jones is a non-entity. He doesn’t deserve coverage in the news. His church has 50 members. I repeat: just 50 members. In contrast, Jeremiah Wright has 6,000 people in his congregation and Louis Farrakhan has 50,000 followers. And when those folks make embarrassing statements, the liberal media doesn’t think they are worth covering.

Let’s get real. We all know that Jones would not be covered in the news at all if it wasn’t for a deliberate campaign in the mainstream media to (1) ignore the serious objections conservatives have to the disastrous Obama agenda, and (2) instead to try to equate conservative views with whack jobs and loons. So the compliant liberal media take this obscure, pathetic and misguided man, whose following is minuscule, and try to present him as some leader of the conservative movement. Meanwhile the real pressing objections to Obama — who is bankrupting the nation and destroying the economy — go unreported day after day after day after day….

This journalistic charade is intellectually dishonest. But, even worse, it is dangerous and harmful. By playing this duplicitous game, the media has inflamed Muslims around the world and put lives at risk. Hence, the real headline here should “Has the Media’s Manipulation of an Obscure Pastor Led to U.N. Afghanistan Murders.” But I hardly expect Mediaite, which is a repeat offender is hyping these examples of bogus journalism, to handle this issue with that kind of honesty.

felixw said:
So the compliant liberal media take this obscure, pathetic and misguided man, whose following is minuscule, and try to present him as some leader of the conservative movement.

This journalistic charade is intellectually dishonest. But, even worse, it is dangerous and harmful.

Agreed. And did you see this? Good read:
http://hotair.com/archives/2011/04/02/why-veena-maliks-smackdown-of-an-egyptian-mullah-was-a-seminal-moment-for-feminism/

Things happen for a reason. This inbred jackass is just a means to an end. Whether what’s happening in the muslim world is a direct result of this guys actions. These muslim murderers ( infidels to the human race ) have no place in our ( the real ) world.

I say we stop the P/C bulll ____ and start having early morning raids ( like they do with American organized crime families ) throughout the muslim enclaves around this country.

We need to find out who, what, where and when the al qaeda sleeper cells in America are planning, currently up to, or have on their wish list.

This Islam is NOT a religion, it is a barbaric, evil, ever growing cancer now coming to our shores.

Like any cancer, this one must be surgically removed, or eradicated with the latest experimental tools at our disposal before it gets a chance to metaastasize, and kill us all.

Enough is enough already. Anyone who doesn’t care for what I have to say can take your liberal, self ritgeous ____ right over there to them and in the immortal words of Rodney King ask them: ” Can’t We All Just Get Along “, and see how far that gets you.

Terry Jones is a douchebag.
But he is not responsible for what happened in Afghanistan.
Countless millions have been killed by the cult of Islam over the past thousand years or so.
The U.N. staffers where dead no matter what the douche pastor did.

Of course he’s not responsible. If he had successfully made a bonfire of Korans and put it out by pissing on it , he wouldn’t be responsible. What lunacy.

sarainitaly said:
Agreed. And did you see this? Good read:
http://hotair.com/archives/2011/04/02/why-veena-maliks-smackdown-of-an-egyptian-mullah-was-a-seminal-moment-for-feminism/

Excellent article, and an example of what probing, honest coverage of the media looks like. Mediaite would be well advised to run articles of that sort, rather than spew out 15 Trump birther stories that all say the same thing.

Anyone who is defending this POS is as unamerican as he is. General Petraus (a guy Republicans used to listen to) urged this guy not to burn Korans last September

http://www.mediaite.com/online/burn-a-koran-day-sparks-protest-from-afghan-muslims-and-general-david-petraeus/

“I am very concerned by the potential repercussions of the possible Koran burning,” Petraeus said. “Even the rumor that it might take place has sparked demonstrations such as the one that took place in Kabul yesterday. Were the actual burning to take place, the safety of our soldiers and civilians would be put in jeopardy and accomplishment of the mission would be made more difficult.”

Did you teabags and defenders of this trash get that? Gen. Petraeus said what would happen if he did it, and he did it anyway and here you pathetic trolls are on Saturday evening defending the actions which got UN workers killed and it looks like more people today.

When you go to church tomorrow and “worship: (yeah right), why don’t you think about the families of the deceased UN workers who will never get to see their loved ones again, and think about how you defended him in a public forum.

felixw said:
Excellent article, and an example of what probing, honest coverage of the media looks like. Mediaite would be well advised to run articles of that sort, rather than spew out 15 Trump birther stories that all say the same thing.

Fitting name for that blog.

Hot Air indeed.

Color Me Badd said:
Anyone who is defending this POS is as unamerican as he is.

Your writing can place you square in the “Unamerican” circle too.

Color Me Badd said:
Anyone who is defending this POS is as unamerican as he is.

I wouldn’t defend the “man”, but I would fiercely defend his right to do it – just like the rights of Klansman or neo-Nazis have been defended the last several decades. And, as an Americans, we cannot allow our rights to be infringed by a bunch of unhinged goat-herders 10K miles away.

Hopefully, this will – for once and for all – dispel any notion that “Islam is a religion of peace”. Surely, it isn’t.

Several years ago, US taxpayer dollars went to partially fund an artist who created something he called “Piss Christ”, which was a crucifix submerged in cow’s urine. Sure, Christians were upset. But, no preacher called for this guy’s murder, Christians didn’t riot haplessly in the street, and no one from the UN was murded in mob violence. How about that?

Color Me Badd said:

Two questions… (1) who do you think is defending this man? And (2) do you believe that rap music (or violent movies, etc) cause people to do violent things?

Since he’d know

Christian genocides: WW2, Rwanda. Feel free to add more. More Muslims have been killed by Islamic terrorism than all other religions combined.

How stupid to be even asked the question or to have to deal with the suggestion that he is responsible.

Good gawd, the media is inept, incapable, stupid, alarming.

For once, just once, I would like to see the media actually hold the terrorists accountable. They spike the latest stories about soldiers posing with dead afghans because this happend under hehimself, yet they splattered the picture of abu ghraib everywhere because that happened under W.

They spike the fact that Obama has given no bid contract to haliburton yet blasted it front page when W was in office.

Every day we got the count of dead troops in Iraq and Afghan when W was in office, and now, zip, nada, zilch, zero because hehimself is in charge.

Never never never trust a media individual who works for abccbsnbccnnmsnbcnytimesnpretc.

what a bunch of scurilous folks.

1. Were the cartoonists in Netherlands responsible for all those who died after the cartoons were published?

2. Was Molly the cartoonist who was behind the Draw Muhammad Day in response for the death threats against the South Park creators and standing up for free speech behind the murderous rampages by Muslims?

3. How about the false reports by the Liberal MSM about soldiers flushing Qu’rans that untrue that led to murders and riots the fault of the Liberal media?

The fault lies directly on those Muslims who are intolerant. This proves that Islam is not ready for the modern world.

In recent months Muslims have burned hundreds of Bibles, attacked and killed Christians in their countries and burnt down dozens of churches….yet WE are supposed to kow tow to Muslim extremists?

felixw said:
Terry Jones is a non-entity. He doesn’t deserve coverage in the news. His church has 50 members. I repeat: just 50 members. In contrast, Jeremiah Wright has 6,000 people in his congregation and Louis Farrakhan has 50,000 followers. And when those folks make embarrassing statements, the liberal media doesn’t think they are worth covering.

Let’s get real. We all know that Jones would not be covered in the news at all if it wasn’t for a deliberate campaign in the mainstream media to (1) ignore the serious objections conservatives have to the disastrous Obama agenda, and (2) instead to try to equate conservative views with whack jobs and loons. So the compliant liberal media take this obscure, pathetic and misguided man, whose following is minuscule, and try to present him as some leader of the conservative movement. Meanwhile the real pressing objections to Obama — who is bankrupting the nation and destroying the economy — go unreported day after day after day after day….

This journalistic charade is intellectually dishonest. But, even worse, it is dangerous and harmful. By playing this duplicitous game, the media has inflamed Muslims around the world and put lives at risk. Hence, the real headline here should “Has the Media’s Manipulation of an Obscure Pastor Led to U.N. Afghanistan Murders.” But I hardly expect Mediaite, which is a repeat offender is hyping these examples of bogus journalism, to handle this issue with that kind of honesty.

Did you know that Jones burned the Koran 12 days ago? Was it all over the MSM?

I didn’t hear about it until people in Afghanistan protested about it and killed people during the specific protest.

Color Me Badd said:
Anyone who is defending this POS is as unamerican as he is. General Petraus (a guy Republicans used to listen to) urged this guy not to burn Korans last September http://www.mediaite.com/online/burn-a-koran-day-sparks-protest-from-afghan-muslims-and-general-david-petraeus/ “I am very concerned by the potential repercussions of the possible Koran burning,” Petraeus said. “Even the rumor that it might take place has sparked demonstrations such as the one that took place in Kabul yesterday. Were the actual burning to take place, the safety of our soldiers and civilians would be put in jeopardy and accomplishment of the mission would be made more difficult.” Did you teabags and defenders of this trash get that? Gen. Petraeus said what would happen if he did it, and he did it anyway and here you pathetic trolls are on Saturday evening defending the actions which got UN workers killed and it looks like more people today. When you go to church tomorrow and “worship: (yeah right), why don’t you think about the families of the deceased UN workers who will never get to see their loved ones again, and think about how you defended him in a public forum.

You are a true 21st century progressive. The person actually slitting the throat or pulling the trigger or setting off the bomb is simply not to blame.

If we just make certain we don’t do things that offend muslims, they won’t get mad and kill people.

That’s a hell of a belief system you folks have.

Latin2 said:
In recent months Muslims have burned hundreds of Bibles, attacked and killed Christians in their countries and burnt down dozens of churches….yet WE are supposed to kow tow to Muslim extremists?

I would find it very surprising if you could prove that.

I think you are completely full of shit.

Nacho said:
I would find it very surprising if you could prove that. I think you are completely full of shit.

http://www.google.com/#hl=en&sugexp=llsfp&xhr=t&q=christians+attacked&cp=14&qe=Y2hyaXN0aWFucyBhdHRh&qesig=wqbO6TN2nhbh5d3BRqSzAQ&pkc=AFgZ2tnroXVLuDOPxqukrbLwb9FX1w8XwsCzVPBsL28-i0b3BmQaIKgsPiifa8yrXm1iIkFnenSpbM7IK4TAv0glEo8GrOFV1g&pf=p&sclient=psy&aq=0&aqi=&aql=&oq=christians+atta&pbx=1&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.&fp=c47acf2aab6fa7e

take your pick outta these…

The first link I clicked on was from the blaze:

“At least two Christians have been killed and multiple churches have been attacked in Pakistan, reportedly in response to a Koran-burning ceremony in Florida last week, says Asia News.”

Well there’s 2 more lives this guy is responsible for.

Nacho said:
The first link I clicked on was from the blaze: “At least two Christians have been killed and multiple churches have been attacked in Pakistan, reportedly in response to a Koran-burning ceremony in Florida last week, says Asia News.” Well there’s 2 more lives this guy is responsible for.

So I have to hand pick the actual stories for you? googling “christian attacks” netted over 9 million results, I’m sure there may be a couple that don’t you?

Obtuse aren’t we?

This was the second:

“Two more Christians were just killed outside a church in Pakistan last week, and now two more have been killed because a Qur’an was burned in Florida.”

There were a few that were reported only from Christian church web pages and I don’t believe any of those as fact.

Show me links from “news” web sites. You can use the term “news” as loosley as you like, just no religious sites.

timzank said:
So I have to hand pick the actual stories for you? googling “christian attacks” netted over 9 million results, I’m sure there may be a couple that don’t you?

Obtuse aren’t we?

Just ones in “recent months” and by news cites please.

Keep looking, you’ve still got over 9 million to look through.

Seek and ye shall find!

Barack Must Go said:
Things happen for a reason. This inbred jackass is just a means to an end. Whether what’s happening in the muslim world is a direct result of this guys actions. These muslim murderers ( infidels to the human race ) have no place in our ( the real ) world.

I say we stop the P/C bulll ____ and start having early morning raids ( like they do with American organized crime families ) throughout the muslim enclaves around this country.

We need to find out who, what, where and when the al qaeda sleeper cells in America are planning, currently up to, or have on their wish list.

This Islam is NOT a religion, it is a barbaric, evil, ever growing cancer now coming to our shores.

Like any cancer, this one must be surgically removed, or eradicated with the latest experimental tools at our disposal before it gets a chance to metaastasize, and kill us all.

Enough is enough already. Anyone who doesn’t care for what I have to say can take your liberal, self ritgeous ____ right over there to them and in the immortal words of Rodney King ask them: ” Can’t We All Just Get Along “, and see how far that gets you.

Welcome to The Department of Homeland Security Watch List……………..bigmouth

timzank said:
Keep looking, you’ve still got over 9 million to look through.

Seek and ye shall find!

So you can’t prove it, huh. It was a pretty wild statement that she made.

Latin2 said:
In recent months Muslims have burned hundreds of Bibles, attacked and killed Christians in their countries and burnt down dozens of churches….yet WE are supposed to kow tow to Muslim extremists?

hey dumbass…you got proof of any of your allegations???….just what churches did muslims burn down???or when did they burn hundreds of bibles??? you’re telling a bald face lie….gives you a good excuse to condone koran burning….its asswipes like you that get people killed…seems like lots of you moron repukes are making excuses here today….then you wonder why Muslims turn your heads into bowling balls…..the answer is easy… U

how many Bibles and American flags have Muslims burned? but we don’t go crazy and start burning buildings and killing people.

these are the same loons who rioted after the Danish cartoons were published. who jailed a teacher for naming a teddy bear (at the request of her class) “Mohamed.” who are perennially offended at anything and everything and are just waiting to riot at the drop of a hat.

why do we excuse these nuts? every once in awhile it’d be nice it they would just STFU and deal with it, like the rest of the world does.

Seems to me who inspired a massacre were the rabble rouses inciting an angry mob to violence, goosing it with lies, exaggerations and shouted exhortation.

Would you have said the Danish artist inspired a massacre with his freedom of expression?

Would you have said a missionary inspired a massacre with his ideals of freedom of religion?

Responsibility for actions rests with the doer of those actions. The pastor acts weren’t noble. Those of the murderers were far less so.

ProObamaAgenda said:
hey dumbass…you got proof of any of your allegations???….just what churches did muslims burn down???or when did they burn hundreds of bibles??? you’re telling a bald face lie….gives you a good excuse to condone koran burning….its asswipes like you that get people killed…seems like lots of you moron repukes are making excuses here today….then you wonder why Muslims turn your heads into bowling balls…..the answer is easy… U

No. Them. The murderers. Those people who pulled the trigger. Those were the ones responsible for the act.

one person who thinks muslims were justified in what they did, please stand up

Paleoconservatarian said:
Seems to me who inspired a massacre were the rabble rouses inciting an angry mob to violence, goosing it with lies, exaggerations and shouted exhortation. Would you have said the Danish artist inspired a massacre with his freedom of expression? Would you have said a missionary inspired a massacre with his ideals of freedom of religion? Responsibility for actions rests with the doer of those actions. The pastor acts weren’t noble. Those of the murderers were far less so.

You have a choice, as do all the rest of right wingers in here.

It is within your rights to desecrate somebody’s religious symbols and post the desecration on the internet for all the world to see.

As Color me bad clearly stated, General Petraeus, and SecDEF Robert Gates and other government officials have openly and personally warned Terry Jones of the possible consequences of these actions to soldiers and civilians in our overseas efforts.

His answer?

“Jones, 59, had considered the possibility that burning the text might elicit a violent response and that innocent people might be killed. In his characteristic drawl — a slow-motion delivery that seems incongruous with the church’s fiery rhetoric — the pastor said the church also debated whether to shred the book, shoot it or dunk it in water instead of burning it.

He has been accused by those who intervened in September of breaking his promise not to burn the Koran — a point he concedes. “If you want to be technical,” he said, “I guess we broke our word.”

He added, “We thought twice about it.”

But in the end, his desire to shed light on what he calls a “dangerous book” won out. The Koran was burned in a spectacle streamed live on the Internet. To reach out to Muslims overseas, Jones included Arabic subtitles.

“For some of them,” he said, “it could be an awakening.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/florida_pastor_terry_joness_koran_burning_has_far_reaching_effect/2011/04/02/AFpiFoQC_story.html?wprss=rss_homepage

READ IT AGAIN, righties…and ask yourself, if you have a friend or relative in the military or working overseas how streaming the burning of a Koran with Arabic Subtitles is going over for them?

Osama Bin Laden now has the best recruitment tape since Abu Ghraib, or do you deny that as well?

–Cobra

cjd ohio 1 said:
one person who thinks muslims were justified in what they did, please stand up

You are grossly missing the point.

Freedom of speech comes with responsibilities.

Cobra said:
You have a choice, as do all the rest of right wingers in here.

It is within your rights to desecrate somebody’s religious symbols and post the desecration on the internet for all the world to see.

As Color me bad clearly stated, General Petraeus, and SecDEF Robert Gates and other government officials have openly and personally warned Terry Jones of the possible consequences of these actions to soldiers and civilians in our overseas efforts.

His answer?

“Jones, 59, had considered the possibility that burning the text might elicit a violent response and that innocent people might be killed. In his characteristic drawl — a slow-motion delivery that seems incongruous with the church’s fiery rhetoric — the pastor said the church also debated whether to shred the book, shoot it or dunk it in water instead of burning it.

He has been accused by those who intervened in September of breaking his promise not to burn the Koran — a point he concedes. “If you want to be technical,” he said, “I guess we broke our word.”

He added, “We thought twice about it.”

But in the end, his desire to shed light on what he calls a “dangerous book” won out. The Koran was burned in a spectacle streamed live on the Internet. To reach out to Muslims overseas, Jones included Arabic subtitles.

“For some of them,” he said, “it could be an awakening.”

http://www.washingtonpost.com/local/education/florida_pastor_terry_joness_koran_burning_has_far_reaching_effect/2011/04/02/AFpiFoQC_story.html?wprss=rss_homepage

READ IT AGAIN, righties…and ask yourself, if you have a friend or relative in the military or working overseas how streaming the burning of a Koran with Arabic Subtitles is going over for them?

Osama Bin Laden now has the best recruitment tape since Abu Ghraib, or do you deny that as well?

–Cobra

Would I have burned the Koran? No

Would I have gone wide eyed and killed seven people? No

Yet one of the above is a perfectly legal thing to do. For a reason.

I have absolutely no temptation to read anything twice that disagrees with the concept that individuals are responsible for their own actions. What if one day an angry mod decides to judge people’s actions on whether or not they’ll abide by their demands to respect their interpretation of justice for thieves? You cannot cede to terrorists your most fundamental rights. You cannot cede to those willing to violently impose their beliefs on you one single thing or it’ll never stop until it becomes a matter of your most fundamental rights.

This concept is as easy as it gets. How is it so many of you are failing?

cjd ohio 1 said:
one person who thinks muslims were justified in what they did, please stand up

Read the posts. It’s plain as day the left think what the terrorists did is totally justified. Hence, the finger pointing.

Jaurez said:
Read the posts. It’s plain as day the left think what the terrorists did is totally justified. Hence, the finger pointing.

People died. Do you understand that? I don’t think anybody here thinks its justified.

You are a fvcking brainless tool.

Nacho said:
People died. Do you understand that? I don’t think anybody here thinks its justified.

You are a fvcking brainless tool.

NATO killed a bunch of people, today. Where’s the outrage, “nacho?”

Nacho said:
People died. Do you understand that? I don’t think anybody here thinks its justified.

You are a fvcking brainless tool.

Some dumb ass burned a stupid hate filled book and terrorists murdered and beheaded people in “retaliation.” I’m very aware of the facts.

“Osama Bin Laden now has the best recruitment tape since Abu Ghraib,”

Are you talking about Obamas Ghraib?

http://bigjournalism.com/amarlow/2011/03/23/smoking-gun-after-abu-ghraib-obsession-msm-awol-on-obama-ghraib/

The world, life and death is just a blame game, huh?

Isn’t it fun play?

Those Afghan “protesters” weren’t terrorists, those were pist off people that wanted blood in a fit of outrage. They were an angry mob that murdered innocent people.

ProObamaAgenda said:
hey dumbass…you got proof of any of your allegations???….just what churches did muslims burn down???or when did they burn hundreds of bibles??? you’re telling a bald face lie….gives you a good excuse to condone koran burning….its asswipes like you that get people killed…seems like lots of you moron repukes are making excuses here today….then you wonder why Muslims turn your heads into bowling balls…..the answer is easy… U

It’s obvious YOU are al qaeda or at the very least a wannabe, Jersey City I’m guessing?

It’s sick & so telling of YOU that when someone makes an allegation concerning barbaric muslims, bibles, churches and the murder of innocent Christians. You obviously totally agree that cowardly muslims are murdering innocent people but refuse to admit same. Then you have the nerve to start a ji had, even calling for and justifying the beheading of Americans over the bibles and churches.

You are exactly the cancer whom I was calling for those early morning raids to eradicate. You and your ilk must be tracked down and stopped before you can carry out your ji had. al roseann bar

Another mistake of republicans + Christianatity …. quran book burning that is. especially with the right wing nutters proclaiming the end of days. You need a break from news, me thinks.

Bill O’Reilly was right..

The world does have a Muslim problem.

Nacho said:
I would find it very surprising if you could prove that.

I think you are completely full of shit.

http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Bible+Burning+&aq=f
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=muslims+burn+christians&aq=f
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=muslims+burn+christian+churches&aq=f

Latin2 said:
In recent months Muslims have burned hundreds of Bibles, attacked and killed Christians in their countries and burnt down dozens of churches….yet WE are supposed to kow tow to Muslim extremists?

Nacho said:
So you can’t prove it, huh. It was a pretty wild statement that she made.

Easy as pie to prove.

http://www.bing.com/search?q=muslims+attack+christians&go=&form=QBRE&qs=n&sk=&sc=5-25

Iran recently suspended Hohabet News after it reported that the Iranian government itself had seized and burned 600 New Testaments in Salmas.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/263028/iran-burns-bibles-condemns-quran-burning-paul-marshall

In Ethiopia, Muslims burn 69 churches

http://www.bpnews.net/BPnews.asp?ID=34859

Cobra said:
It is within your rights to desecrate somebody’s religious symbols and post the desecration on the internet for all the world to see.

the are TONS of videos of muslims and non-muslims burning bibles (and flags) on youtube.
i don’t recall anyone being murdered because of it.

BFD said:
Bill O’Reilly was right.. The world does have a Muslim problem.

See, that’s what’s wrong with you lefties. Everything you think or say comes down to a ” quote ” from a ” FOX NEWS ” on air personality.

Keep telling yourselves your not the dumb ones. It’s working wonders for your cause.

How many SLAUGHTERED today because someone half-a-world away burned a book?

This is “THE PEACEFUL RELIGION” – and the Christian-Hating, Democratic-Left that blindly supports them!

Republitarian said:
I wouldn’t defend the “man”, but I would fiercely defend his right to do it – just like the rights of Klansman or neo-Nazis have been defended the last several decades. And, as an Americans, we cannot allow our rights to be infringed by a bunch of unhinged goat-herders 10K miles away.

Hopefully, this will – for once and for all – dispel any notion that “Islam is a religion of peace”. Surely, it isn’t.

Several years ago, US taxpayer dollars went to partially fund an artist who created something he called “Piss Christ”, which was a crucifix submerged in cow’s urine. Sure, Christians were upset. But, no preacher called for this guy’s murder, Christians didn’t riot haplessly in the street, and no one from the UN was murded in mob violence. How about that?

Most educated people already know that Christians have killed millions more people in the name of God than any other religion in the history of the world.

Pakistan: Third church attacked as Pakistani extremists declare war over Florida Koran burning

Riots Erupt in Cairo After Church is Burned

sarainitaly said:
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=Bible+Burning+&aq=f
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=muslims+burn+christians&aq=f
http://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=muslims+burn+christian+churches&aq=f

Latin2 said:
In recent months Muslims have burned hundreds of Bibles, attacked and killed Christians in their countries and burnt down dozens of churches….

What part of “IN RECENT MONTHS” do you not understand?

Barack Must Go said:
It’s obvious YOU are al qaeda or at the very least a wannabe, Jersey City I’m guessing?

It’s sick & so telling of YOU that when someone makes an allegation concerning barbaric muslims, bibles, churches and the murder of innocent Christians. You obviously totally agree that cowardly muslims are murdering innocent people but refuse to admit same. Then you have the nerve to start a ji had, even calling for and justifying the beheading of Americans over the bibles and churches.

You are exactly the cancer whom I was calling for those early morning raids to eradicate. You and your ilk must be tracked down and stopped before you can carry out your ji had. al roseann bar

whoaaa wingnut….are you issuing personal threats now on here????….may be time for you to rid yourself of your computer b4 you land in gitmo…..you’re going a little to far…….uncivil conversations is one thing….calling for the deaths of other users of this website is another…i enjoy having debates with conservatives on here and tend to say some pretty nasty things, BUT, i would NEVER EVER wish for or call for any harm on anybody here based on political or religious differences…THIS IS THE INTERNET SON…..DONT TAKE IT SO SERIOUSLY

sarainitaly said:
Latin2 said:
In recent months Muslims have burned hundreds of Bibles, attacked and killed Christians in their countries and burnt down dozens of churches….yet WE are supposed to kow tow to Muslim extremists?

Easy as pie to prove.

http://www.bing.com/search?q=muslims+attack+christians&go=&form=QBRE&qs=n&sk=&sc=5-25

Iran recently suspended Hohabet News after it reported that the Iranian government itself had seized and burned 600 New Testaments in Salmas.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/263028/iran-burns-bibles-condemns-quran-burning-paul-marshall

In Ethiopia, Muslims burn 69 churches

http://www.bpnews.net/BPnews.asp?ID=34859

Any story that you find in there is either for a response to the Quran burning or from a religious web site that I do not trust as fact. Even the National Review story got their story directly from a Christian web page.

Show me something from “RECENT MONTHS” from a legit news source that proves “In recent months Muslims have burned hundreds of Bibles, attacked and killed Christians in their countries and burnt down dozens of churches”

If its as easy as pie, show me something legit. I don’t doubt that some has happen, people are killed everyday. Show me the recent rash of activity.

NORBIT Jr. said:
How many SLAUGHTERED today because someone half-a-world away burned a book?

This is “THE PEACEFUL RELIGION” – and the Christian-Hating, Democratic-Left that blindly supports them!

Don’t forget that it was christians who started it with the book burning.

Sometimes people forget that it’s not only islams fault, it’s also christianity’s. Intolerance towards the western world has increased due to many muslims seeing the wars today in the middle east as more christian crusades.

ProObamaAgenda said:
whoaaa wingnut….are you issuing personal threats now on here????….may be time for you to rid yourself of your computer b4 you land in gitmo…..you’re going a little to far…….uncivil conversations is one thing….calling for the deaths of other users of this website is another…i enjoy having debates with conservatives on here and tend to say some pretty nasty things, BUT, i would NEVER EVER wish for or call for any harm on anybody here based on political or religious differences…THIS IS THE INTERNET SON…..DONT TAKE IT SO SERIOUSLY

Maybe you should go bowling to collect your thoughts before posting next time. You wouldn’t find yourself backpeddling like you’re having to do now.

Barack Must Go said:
Maybe you should go bowling to collect your thoughts before posting next time. You wouldn’t find yourself backpeddling like you’re having to do now.

i aint backpeddling on anything…..i merely stated that your calls for the deaths of other users of this site are uncalled for….YOU SHOULD BE BANNED FROM HERE…Im here to debate, not to get into a shootout like you are..and most people here from different points of view agree to disagree without threatening to kill each other, most of us republicans and democrats enjoy arguing points of view, if we didn’t we could just go to web sites that offer no opposing points of view, and there’s plenty of those on both sides of the isle, you’ve raised the stakes to a whole nother level….AN UNACCEPTABLE LEVEL…..MAYBE YOU SHOULD JUST TAKE YOUR GAME OVER TO DA BLAZE OR WORLD NUTT DAILY WHERE FOLKS LIKE YOU BELONG

Nacho said:
Show me something from “RECENT MONTHS” from a legit news source that proves “In recent months Muslims have burned hundreds of Bibles, attacked and killed Christians in their countries and burnt down dozens of churches”

If its as easy as pie, show me something legit. I don’t doubt that some has happen, people are killed everyday. Show me the recent rash of activity.

i showed you enough evidence to support exactly what she said. It’s not my fault if every thing I provide you, you deem not worthy. If you actually LOOK at the links to youtube, you will find things in RECENT months. And, sorry, but I provided you with legit sources. The 600 bible burning was BEFORE the koran buring, YET they are HYPOCRITICALLY condemning the koran burning.

http://af.reuters.com/article/topNews/idAFJOE72N0AH20110324?sp=true

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2011/03/24/thousands-christians-displaced-ethiopia-muslim-extremists-torch-churches-homes-2057387870/

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2010/dec/31/iraq-baghdad-christian-bomb-attacks

It seems Muslims could murder Christians or burn down the churches and bibles right in front of you and you would still deny it happening….

After savage attack on Iraqi Christians that killed 58, militants warn “All Christians are targets”
http://barenakedislam.wordpress.com/2010/11/03/after-savage-attack-on-iraqi-christians-that-killed-58-militants-warn-all-christians-are-targets/

All Christians ‘targets,’ Iraqi militant group says
http://edition.cnn.com/2010/WORLD/meast/11/03/iraq.christians.threat/?hpt=T2

Fascinating back & forth of ridiculous comments. Now, would one of you, please tell us all, in plain terms, how it’s morally, legally or socially acceptable to kill a bunch of INNOCENT people because of the actions of someone 10,000 miles away those people know nothing of, have never met, have no common ideology or even shared political beliefs?

Please, tell us all.

Son of Sam said a dog made him do his killings. Guess if you’re determined to kill people, one excuse is as good as another. Makes as much sense as saying some old man burning a book made you do it.

Barely two months after a brutal attack on a Baghdad church during which 44 worshippers, two priests and seven security force personnel were slaughtered, Iraqi Christians cautiously prepare to celebrate Christmas. from Aljazeera

http://barenakedislam.wordpress.com/2010/12/25/not-so-merry-christmas-for-iraqi-christians/

“I am Michelle, one of the hostages held by Muslim terrorists in the Baghdad church massacre’
http://barenakedislam.wordpress.com/2010/12/06/i-am-michelle-one-of-the-hostages-held-by-muslim-terrorists-in-the-baghdad-church-massacre/

Indonesia: Angry Muslim crowd attacks Java churches
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12393075

Compilation of limbs cut Christian bodies after Muslims bombing in Church-Alexandria 1-1-2010
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nFK2wa6AffY

23 BEHEADINGS FOR THE PRICE OF ONE! (WARNING: Graphic Images)
http://barenakedislam.wordpress.com/2011/04/01/23-beheadings-for-the-price-of-one-warning-graphic-images/
(I could only listen, not watch, about 30 seconds of this one, so not sure about the time frame)

ProObamaAgenda said:
i aint backpeddling on anything…..i merely stated that your calls for the deaths of other users of this site are uncalled for….YOU SHOULD BE BANNED FROM HERE…Im here to debate, not to get into a shootout like you are..and most people here from different points of view agree to disagree without threatening to kill each other, most of us republicans and democrats enjoy arguing points of view, if we didn’t we could just go to web sites that offer no opposing points of view, and there’s plenty of those on both sides of the isle, you’ve raised the stakes to a whole nother level….AN UNACCEPTABLE LEVEL…..MAYBE YOU SHOULD JUST TAKE YOUR GAME OVER TO DA BLAZE OR WORLD NUTT DAILY WHERE FOLKS LIKE YOU BELONG

I assure you, this is no game. You, in a typical liberal cowardly way called for, or at least justified the behading of, then using those severed heads as bowling balls, of innocent Americans. I simply responded to your blatently terrorist statement with my a responding statement of my own. I called on the federal government of the United States of America, to take your words of anti – American sentiment and hatred as seriously as I, as a ” real ” American take them.

I feel YOU should be investigated for even entertaining the thought of severing American’s heads, for any reason, as a viable, reasonable option. If you are found to be a terrorist, you must be removed from our country and way of life, by the FBI or other qualifying agency, not that I called for you to be killed by ?

Again, in your latest post you hide behind Republicans & democrats, neither of which, as a group, condone your calling for beheadings as an option, not matter the the real or imagined crime.

I do not defend Terry Jones or his action, but I defend his right to do what he did.

You defend the Muslim murderers and blame his actions on someone half a world away.

Typical false liberal equivalency .

Muslims have been attacking and taking over countries since the Rashidan Caliphate in 632 A.D. (four hundred years before the Crusades) The idea that some crazy old man burning a Koran is suddenly making them act up is kinda late.

Nacho said:
What part of “IN RECENT MONTHS” do you not understand?

For me it’s the part where you can’t seem to find anything recent in those links. Are you looking with your eyes closed, Nacho?

Color Me Badd said:
Most educated people already know that Christians have killed millions more people in the name of God than any other religion in the history of the world.

The issue is what is happening in the world today, not what people who called themselves Christians (but behaved in an indisputably un-Christian way) did hundreds of years ago.

Nacho said:
The world, life and death is just a blame game, huh?

Isn’t it fun play?

Those Afghan “protesters” weren’t terrorists, those were pist off people that wanted blood in a fit of outrage. They were an angry mob that murdered innocent people.

Your kind of reasoning would fully justify an angry union mob murder management and workers who have the nerve to think that they a right to work.

ProObamaAgenda said:
…Im here to debate, not to get into a shootout like you are..

Tee hee. You’re funny, looter. Now back in your cage.

Some news outlets have claimed that opposition to the Ground Zero mosque may “fuel Islamic extremism” in the Muslim world.

“Opposition to the center by prominent politicians and other public figures in the United States has been covered extensively by the news media in Muslim countries,” reported a New York Times article on Aug. 20. “At a time of concern about radicalization of young Muslims in the West, it risks adding new fuel to Al Qaeda’s claim that Islam is under attack by the West and must be defended with violence, some specialists on Islamic militancy say.”

And the NPR reported on Aug. 24 that “Experts worry the controversy surrounding an Islamic center near ground zero in Lower Manhattan is playing right into the hands of radical extremists.”

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/alana-goodman/2010/09/01/arab-tv-director-muslim-anger-over-ground-zero-mosque-protests-fabric#ixzz1IT8D3Scz

“By preventing this mosque from being built, America is doing us a big favor,” Taliban operative Zabihullah tells NEWSWEEK. (Like many Afghans, he uses a single name.) “It’s providing us with more recruits, donations, and popular support.”
http://www.newsweek.com/2010/08/30/taliban-using-mosque-controversy-to-recruit.html
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/08/21/world/21muslim.html?_r=1

seems to me they will use anything and everything as an excuse to attack America and/or Christians.
lifestyle, Israel, protests, cartoons, mere mentions of potential koran burnings, mosque protests…

Maliheh said:
Another mistake of republicans + Christianatity …. quran book burning that is. especially with the right wing nutters proclaiming the end of days. You need a break from news, me thinks.

Regarding the End of Days:

Christians await the return of Jesus peacefully and with prayers.

Muslims, lead by Ahmed Iamanutjob want to torch the world to hasten the return of Satan, aka Mahdi aka The 12th Imam.

I want to know why there are so many comments and nobody has mentioned the outstanding facial hair on this man. I think he needs to immediately be outfitted with a bandana. Preferably one with images of Confederate flags or Jesus riding a Harley Davidson.

You’re talking about his show, American Chopper.

This situation reminds me of the time when I was in elementary school. Seems like a habitual bully was finally dragged into the awesome presence of the principal for fighting. His defense? “That bastard hit back!”

writer said:
You’re talking about his show, American Chopper.

Now we’re talking. He should build a custom bike with a big picture of JC on the gas tank. It could burn liquified Koran pages for fuel. Then he could ride it through a big burning picture of Muhammad. I mean, if you’re going to make a name for yourself by being an asshole, you’ve got to pull out all the stops.

No wonder Paul Jr. left him.

Just like the ignorance of W. regarding not understanding the Middle East Culture. Just because you can doesn’t mean it is a good idea to do.

Barack Must Go said:
I assure you, this is no game. You, in a typical liberal cowardly way called for, or at least justified the behading of, then using those severed heads as bowling balls, of innocent Americans. I simply responded to your blatently terrorist statement with my a responding statement of my own. I called on the federal government of the United States of America, to take your words of anti – American sentiment and hatred as seriously as I, as a ” real ” American take them.

I feel YOU should be investigated for even entertaining the thought of severing American’s heads, for any reason, as a viable, reasonable option. If you are found to be a terrorist, you must be removed from our country and way of life, by the FBI or other qualifying agency, not that I called for you to be killed by ?

Again, in your latest post you hide behind Republicans & democrats, neither of which, as a group, condone your calling for beheadings as an option, not matter the the real or imagined crime.

you’re clearly an idiot…i like you just pointed out that these things have happened…its you that wants to deny why it happened…even when the Muslims that do these terrible things tell you why they did it you STILL refuse to acknowledge that fact….its not i that justified these things….the be-headers did , and when your head is on the chopping block with a Muslim wielding an axe over you, you may want to be more concerned about what his mindset is than mine. conservatives like you don’t mind other Americans being killed if you gain some political advantage by the needless killings….that why you suicidal ass republicans constantly poke your verbal swords into Muslims, you don’t give a shit who dies as long as it isn’t your dumb ass. now if you truly believe that Koran burning isn’t the reason that Muslims did these terrible things…take your dumb ass down to your local mosque with a Koran, a bucket, a gas can and a match….go ahead and start burning the Koran wingnut….then try to explain to the Muslims that start kicking your stupid ass that this is an unreasonable response to what you’re doing. I CAN GUARANTEE YOU 100% THAT YOU WILL NOT BE AT ALL HAPPY WITH WHAT THEY DO TO YOU……HAPPY 1ST AMENDMENT DAY TO YOU

ProObamaAgenda said:
its you that wants to deny why it happened…even when the Muslims that do these terrible things tell you why they did it you STILL refuse to acknowledge that fact…

So we should just make it a worldwide law not to ever piss off muslims, then they will never get mad again and they’ll stop killing people. Ok, got it. Thanks! The answer is soooo simple.

timzank said:
So we should just make it a worldwide law not to ever piss off muslims, then they will never get mad again and they’ll stop killing people. Ok, got it. Thanks! The answer is soooo simple.

No dumbass, any idiot knows we can’t pass WORLDWIDE LAWS to do anything. but we can use common sense, which is clearly lacking with you conservatives…i know you want to play billy badass and do stuff that people tell you that they will kill you over if you do them, problem with that is when you do these things you then run and stand behind me…..NOOOOOOO…..thats unacceptable…MAN UP …do your Koran burning in the open and be man enough to tell the Muslims that if they have a problem with it to come and see you….pussy asses like you that never served and are afraid to put yourself in any danger should just shut the hell up

ProObamaAgenda said:
No dumbass, any idiot knows we can’t pass WORLDWIDE LAWS to do anything. but we can use common sense, which is clearly lacking with you conservatives…i know you want to play billy badass and do stuff that people tell you that they will kill you over if you do them, problem with that is when you do these things you then run and stand behind me…..NOOOOOOO…..thats unacceptable…MAN UP …do your Koran burning in the open and be man enough to tell the Muslims that if they have a problem with it to come and see you….pussy asses like you that never served and are afraid to put yourself in any danger should just shut the hell up

I don’t personally want to burn anyones’ Koran, Bible or Mad Magazine. I do believe however, Should anyone actually burn a copy of the aforementioned publications, some poor soul not even remotely related to said burning should be summarily executed. I realize you and your brethren see this as fair, I simply don’t.

lol…..i don’t see it as fair…..but the Muslims do….you should worry about them, not me…see its always been a pattern with conservatives who offend people to think that THEY and THEY only get to decide to what degree people can be offended…BIG MISTAKE….whenever conservatives offend somebody their response is AWW THAT AINT SHIT, DONT BE OFFENDED BY THAT…..Well now the Muslims are telling you that things don’t work like that…perhaps you should just stick to insulting and offending blacks, Hispanics, gays and women….MUSLIMS DONT PLAY THAT SHIT, as evidenced with last weeks killings

ProObamaAgenda said:
No dumbass, any idiot knows we can’t pass WORLDWIDE LAWS to do anything. but we can use common sense, which is clearly lacking with you conservatives…i know you want to play billy badass and do stuff that people tell you that they will kill you over if you do them, problem with that is when you do these things you then run and stand behind me…..NOOOOOOO…..thats unacceptable…MAN UP …do your Koran burning in the open and be man enough to tell the Muslims that if they have a problem with it to come and see you….pussy asses like you that never served and are afraid to put yourself in any danger should just shut the hell up

yeah, like when they burn the american flag overseas, bomb the shit out of them, they should know better

ProObamaAgenda said:
lol…..i don’t see it as fair…..but the Muslims do….you should worry about them, not me…see its always been a pattern with conservatives who offend people to think that THEY and THEY only get to decide to what degree people can be offended…BIG MISTAKE….whenever conservatives offend somebody their response is AWW THAT AINT SHIT, DONT BE OFFENDED BY THAT…..Well now the Muslims are telling you that things don’t work like that…perhaps you should just stick to insulting and offending blacks, Hispanics, gays and women….MUSLIMS DONT PLAY THAT SHIT, as evidenced with last weeks killings

What’s alarming is the fact that you condone the killing. You have no moral compass, as is the case with most pro Obama agenda robots.

ProObamaAgenda said:
you’re clearly an idiot…i like you just pointed out that these things have happened…its you that wants to deny why it happened…even when the Muslims that do these terrible things tell you why they did it you STILL refuse to acknowledge that fact….its not i that justified these things….the be-headers did , and when your head is on the chopping block with a Muslim wielding an axe over you, you may want to be more concerned about what his mindset is than mine. conservatives like you don’t mind other Americans being killed if you gain some political advantage by the needless killings….that why you suicidal ass republicans constantly poke your verbal swords into Muslims, you don’t give a shit who dies as long as it isn’t your dumb ass. now if you truly believe that Koran burning isn’t the reason that Muslims did these terrible things…take your dumb ass down to your local mosque with a Koran, a bucket, a gas can and a match….go ahead and start burning the Koran wingnut….then try to explain to the Muslims that start kicking your stupid ass that this is an unreasonable response to what you’re doing. I CAN GUARANTEE YOU 100% THAT YOU WILL NOT BE AT ALL HAPPY WITH WHAT THEY DO TO YOU……HAPPY 1ST AMENDMENT DAY TO YOU

So if I read you correctly, muslims ARE barbaric animals that have no place in American society, the same as liberals are all pussies, afraid to stand up for America against these animals, worse yet at times side with the muslims regarding the murder of innocent people, part out of fear and part out of misguided, morally bankrupt ideology.

Last, but not least YOU wholeheartedly agree with myself and all the other ” real ” Americans here and throughout the country that the barbarism, you defended only one hour ago, you now reject as wrong not matter the original provocation.

I’m very happy you’ve either come to your senses, or at least are willing to keep any un – American, pro islamic terrorist feelings to yourself. For that I thank you.

cjd ohio 1 said:
yeah, like when they burn the american flag overseas, bomb the shit out of them, they should know better

cj…cant you burn the American flag over here without getting in trouble??….yes you can, its protected speech…are you suggesting that flag burning be criminalized????…i thought you were a 1st amendment rights guy, i thought the reason for the bombs dropping in the middle east was to protect us from terrorism….i consider bombs for flag burning also an unreasonable response…….GO BUCKEYES !!!!!!

ProObamaAgenda said:
cj…cant you burn the American flag over here without getting in trouble??….yes you can, its protected speech…are you suggesting that flag burning be criminalized????…i thought you were a 1st amendment rights guy, i thought the reason for the bombs dropping in the middle east was to protect us from terrorism….i consider bombs for flag burning also an unreasonable response…….GO BUCKEYES !!!!!!

no i dont, it is protected speech, just like burning the koran, both are done in poor taste, but you should know the results of both, just like you say above

ProObamaAgenda said:
cj…cant you burn the American flag over here without getting in trouble??….yes you can, its protected speech…are you suggesting that flag burning be criminalized????…i thought you were a 1st amendment rights guy, i thought the reason for the bombs dropping in the middle east was to protect us from terrorism….i consider bombs for flag burning also an unreasonable response…….GO BUCKEYES !!!!!!

some people are just stupid , and as the saying goes, you cant fix stupid

cjd ohio 1 said:
some people are just stupid , and as the saying goes, you cant fix stupid

In his mind the deaths are necessary to help his brethren islamists to spread the eventual “peace” and wipe out any remnants of the zionist, capitalist pigs of the west. He and his brothers must help Obama and the muslim extremists at all costs.

Hey, how about this….Time magazine (surprisingly but accurately) points out that this violence was actually provoked by Afghan President Hamid Karzai:

[Karzai] decided that he couldn’t let a chance for short-term political gain slip away, no matter the potential for deadly violence in his already war-ravaged country. So Karzai pronounced Jones’ isolated deed “a crime against a religion” and a “disrespectful and abhorrent act.” To further stoke enmity against America and the West, he said the U.N. and the U.S. were responsible for bringing Jones to justice (which, of course, given our First Amendment protections, the U.S. can’t do unless officials can prove Jones somehow violated a fire code).

Read more: http://globalspin.blogs.time.com/2011/04/02/karzais-guilt-his-cynical-and-deadly-exploitation-of-a-koran-burning/#ixzz1ITh0dW3I

Paleoconservatarian said:
Would I have burned the Koran? No
Would I have gone wide eyed and killed seven people? No
Yet one of the above is a perfectly legal thing to do. For a reason.
I have absolutely no temptation to read anything twice that disagrees with the concept that individuals are responsible for their own actions. What if one day an angry mod decides to judge people’s actions on whether or not they’ll abide by their demands to respect their interpretation of justice for thieves? You cannot cede to terrorists your most fundamental rights. You cannot cede to those willing to violently impose their beliefs on you one single thing or it’ll never stop until it becomes a matter of your most fundamental rights.
This concept is as easy as it gets. How is it so many of you are failing?

Disagree 100%.
Your free speech comes with RESPONSIBILITIES.
During 1939, you had the right as an American, Paleo, to write to the Gestapo and tell them where Jewish refugees were hiding. To write that letter would be a death sentence for those refugees. Would you be ‘ceding your fundamental rights” if you did NOT write to the Gestapo in 1939?

I’m sorry. We have troops and civilians in harm’s way. If your answer is, “American troops and civilians be damned,” then why on earth should any patriotic American agree with your argument?

sarainitaly said:
the are TONS of videos of muslims and non-muslims burning bibles (and flags) on youtube.i don’t recall anyone being murdered because of it.

What’s stopping YOU from burning a Koran on the Internet, Sara? You don’t even LIVE in America anymore, so why should you care how many Americans overseas could DIE as a result of your actions.

““Images of the burning of a Quran would undoubtedly be used by extremists in Afghanistan — and around the world — to inflame public opinion and incite violence,” [General] Petraeus said in an e-mail to The Associated Press.

You can criticize all 1.5 billion Muslims all you like. All 1.5 billion Muslims:

A) are Not American Citizens and subject to American Law
B) Follow your particular belief system

So if any of you right wingers in here want to be the next Terry Jones, nothing in America is preventing you, but I don’t want to hear ONE of you claim that you “care about the safety of Americans” afterwards.

–Cobra

Judge Mental said:
Hey, how about this….Time magazine (surprisingly but accurately) points out that this violence was actually provoked by Afghan President Hamid Karzai:

Karzai, Jones, and probably Disney movies are catalysts for these guys. The blame for killing falls squarely on those that killed, but of course the elephant in the room is, if you are born into, and brought up in a religion that specifically orders the death of others to further your own belief system, it’s going to be hard to NOT to believe killing those different from you is your lifes calling. I simply cannot fathom how guys like proobamaagenda can give these guys a pass, it boggles the mind.

ProObamaAgenda said:
even when the Muslims that do these terrible things tell you why they did it you STILL refuse to acknowledge that fact…

…that the reason is Islam. I mean, they’re waving it right in your face and you still miss it.

ProObamaAgenda said:
MUSLIMS DONT PLAY THAT SHIT, as evidenced with last weeks killings

Yeah, some real tough motherf*ckers, these guys.

There were protests all over the city. There were clashes with security forces there. And at least nine people were killed, and scores were wounded, as well as many shops burned, cars burned, and in particular they destroyed a girls high school.

Destroying a school for Afghan girls. That’ll teach that Koran burning jackass in Florida, huh?

Religion of Peace, my ass.

ProObamaAgenda said:
lol…..i don’t see it as fair…..but the Muslims do….you should worry about them, not me…see its always been a pattern with conservatives who offend people to think that THEY and THEY only get to decide to what degree people can be offended…BIG MISTAKE….whenever conservatives offend somebody their response is AWW THAT AINT SHIT, DONT BE OFFENDED BY THAT…..Well now the Muslims are telling you that things don’t work like that…perhaps you should just stick to insulting and offending blacks, Hispanics, gays and women….MUSLIMS DONT PLAY THAT SHIT, as evidenced with last weeks killings

Another PRIME example of a fringe leftist justifying the terrorist be-headings. What a sick freak.

He would deny any connection. This crook is no different than the other self proclaimed pastor who encourages people to protest at the funerals of fallen soldiers while toting aound signs saying that God hates Fags and any number of other hate based signs. This fool is living proof that anyone can call themself a pastor and that most of them are half educated crooks who only know how to take the bible and use it to meld twisted personal political views with twisted personal political views. This is the GOP and Teabaggers type of guy!

Jaurez said:
Another PRIME example of a fringe leftist justifying the terrorist be-headings. What a sick freak.

Juarez,

What do YOU personally intend to do about it? Everytime YOU put gas in YOUR car, odds are, you’re lining the pockets of an Islamic regime that supports public beheadings.

–Cobra

ProObamaAgenda said:
problem with that is when you do these things you then run and stand behind me…..NOOOOOOO…..thats unacceptable…MAN UP

What kind of fool would be dumb enough to go looking to YOU for protection? What, have you built an impenetrable wall of government cheese?

Armageddon T Thunderbird said:
This fool is living proof that anyone can call themself a pastor and that most of them are half educated crooks who only know how to take the bible and use it to meld twisted personal political views with twisted personal political views. This is the GOP and Teabaggers type of guy!

No, this is nobody’s type of guy. His “church” has what, 50 people? That’s Fred Phelps (D-KS) territory.

He’s a crackpot, sure. So, how does some crackpot and his pretend church get dozens of people killed in Afghanistan?

Pablo said:
Yeah, some real tough motherf*ckers, these guys.

Destroying a school for Afghan girls. That’ll teach that Koran burning jackass in Florida, huh?

Religion of Peace, my ass.

I agree with your ass, sounds a lot like Christianity to me. Can you imagine the number of murders, rapes, etc. that are committed every year by so called Christians? It’s enough to make a tea-bagger gag.

You reckon before Pastor Goober lit the Koran on fire he said “Hey Bubba, watch this?”

You would think with all the uproar that came about last time he wanted to play with fire, he would have learned something. I guess just because you are a man of God, it does not necessarily make you a man of Intelligence.

We must not have too many radical Muslims here in the U.S., as they have yet to burn down Pastor Goober’s church. Maybe Rep King should investigate radicalism in Christians next…..

Pablo said:
No, this is nobody’s type of guy. His “church” has what, 50 people? That’s Fred Phelps (D-KS) territory.

He’s a crackpot, sure. So, how does some crackpot and his pretend church get dozens of people killed in Afghanistan?

Maybe the Muslims who killed over the Koran belong to the same kind of church.

Something that all of you seem to be missing with all your partisan bickering, is that as far as these terrorists are concerned with is that if you are not a Muslim, sometimes even if you are, you are an infidel and you either convert to their way of thinking or die (in which case I would be dead). These so called humans didn’t need a reason to commit these murders, it was just a convenient excuse to blame some pastor for this attack.

Garth said:
I agree with your ass, sounds a lot like Christianity to me. Can you imagine the number of murders, rapes, etc. that are committed every year by so called Christians? It’s enough to make a tea-bagger gag.

Epic fail again…..actually still.

Barack Must Go said:
Epic fail again…..actually still.

Let’s just consider for a moment that you are running on 3 cylinders…maybe.

Pablo said:
What kind of fool would be dumb enough to go looking to YOU for protection? What, have you built an impenetrable wall of government cheese?

pablo….have you ever had government cheese???…..hell it is impenetrable

Jaurez said:
Another PRIME example of a fringe leftist justifying the terrorist be-headings. What a sick freak.

say wingnut….forget about what i said….its your head ….why should i worry if you lose it….do your thing….burn any ole silly book you want….in fact while youre setting the Koran Bonfire imma cheer your ass on…….JUST DO IT…..dipshit

“One was pulled out alive because he pretended to be a Muslim.”
…
When the killers forced themselves inside they saw Pavel Ershov, the mission chief who is fluent in Dari, one of two languages spoken in Afghanistan. They beat him, but stopped after he convinced them, in Dari, that he was a Muslim, de Mistura said.

Yeah, it’s just a coincidence, right?

I think it’s pretty clear that this is exactly what Jones wanted to happen.

Anybody want to answer my question: Does violent music (like gangsta rap) cause violent behavior?

For my two cents worth, the Florida pastor is a troll and a successful one. The Muslims that fell for this trolling went on a killing spree thus proving that they at least are not peaceful people. For those people not familiar with a cycle of violence, it is now the non Muslims turn to go out and kill a bunch of unrelated Muslims in response to their killings in Afganistan. Then it will be their turn to kill some more unrelated people thousands of miles away. Rinse and repeat all over the globe. Win for the vultures.

For the record, the Muslims started yet another round of violence. The first person to kill someone else is the one who started it. Provocation doesn’t count. A tit for tat response would have been some Muslim dudes burning a Bible, etc.

If you want to use trolling in combat, try the same thing in front of a Marine base(fully stocked with ammo, btw) in say Afghanistan. Wait for the enraged protestors to try their thing, then open up with .50 cals full auto. Pause after about a minute, then look for movement. Marines are tougher than cowardly Muslims who attack unrelated, unarmed targets.

ordinary said:
1) The book is paper and cardboard and unfortunately, its not the last copy of the Koran.

2) The people they killed were not the ones that burned the book.

3) The book burning took place on the other side of the globe from Afghanistan.

Yeah, I would say these people are radicals.

I would say they are animals…but that might be an insult to animals.

Ahh, but what would Jesus say???

Helix said:
For my two cents worth, the Florida pastor is a troll and a successful one. The Muslims that fell for this trolling went on a killing spree thus proving that they at least are not peaceful people. For those people not familiar with a cycle of violence, it is now the non Muslims turn to go out and kill a bunch of unrelated Muslims in response to their killings in Afganistan. Then it will be their turn to kill some more unrelated people thousands of miles away. Rinse and repeat all over the globe. Win for the vultures. For the record, the Muslims started yet another round of violence. The first person to kill someone else is the one who started it. Provocation doesn’t count. A tit for tat response would have been some Muslim dudes burning a Bible, etc. If you want to use trolling in combat, try the same thing in front of a Marine base(fully stocked with ammo, btw) in say Afghanistan. Wait for the enraged protestors to try their thing, then open up with .50 cals full auto. Pause after about a minute, then look for movement. Marines are tougher than cowardly Muslims who attack unrelated, unarmed targets.

Two questions…

1. How did that work out for Reagan in Lebanon 1983?

“On October 23, 1983, suicide bombers crashed a truck bearing more than 2,000 pounds of explosives through protective barricades at U.S. Marine barracks in Lebanon, Beirut. Since the attack took place early on a Sunday morning, it found most of the troops asleep in their beds. The explosion devastated the compound, collapsing the floors of the building on top of each other, killing 241 U.S. servicemen.

President Ronald Reagan had sent American troops to Lebanon earlier in 1983, hoping to stabilize a country ravaged by years of civil war. Their mission was to support a government friendly to U.S. interests and to Israel, and to help end the cycle of violence. The United States was supposed to play the part of an “honest broker” between competing interests.

Hezbollah, the militant Islamic group, claimed responsibility for the bombing. The ability of the United States to remain detached and play the role of honest broker became more difficult after the attack. American military ships shelled Lebanese positions, and the United States was drawn into supporting certain factions against others in the Lebanese civil war. The surviving Marines were withdrawn to U.S. vessels waiting offshore, and just two years after the bombing, President Reagan withdrew all U.S. military forces from the area at the request of the Lebanese government. The experience in Lebanon was devastating one for the President, and it altered his administration’s policy in the Middle East; he never again sent ground troops into Lebanon or any other place in the Middle East.”

http://millercenter.org/president/events/10_23

2. How many MORE US Marines are you planning to sacrifice (at home safe from your keyboard) in defense of a macho posture that means absolutely NOTHING against an adversary that’s already willing to DIE for their cause?

–Cobra

Cobra said:
What’s stopping YOU from burning a Koran on the Internet, Sara? You don’t even LIVE in America anymore, so why should you care how many Americans overseas could DIE as a result of your actions.

““Images of the burning of a Quran would undoubtedly be used by extremists in Afghanistan — and around the world — to inflame public opinion and incite violence,” [General] Petraeus said in an e-mail to The Associated Press.

You can criticize all 1.5 billion Muslims all you like. All 1.5 billion Muslims:

A) are Not American Citizens and subject to American Law
B) Follow your particular belief system

So if any of you right wingers in here want to be the next Terry Jones, nothing in America is preventing you, but I don’t want to hear ONE of you claim that you “care about the safety of Americans” afterwards.

–Cobra

because i’m not a book burner. nor a flag burner.

hon – muslims around the world will use any excuse to get inflamed. they didn’t kill anyone because of a koran burning.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/sen-lindsey-graham-freedom-of-speech-is-a-great-idea-but-were-in-a-war/comment-page-2/#comment-394228

From CNN:

However, President Karzai’s brother denied that the Kandahar protests were a result of the Quran burning.

“The protests in the last two days in Kandahar have no link to the Quran burning in U.S. at all, but were all organized by some people to loot public and government properties,” Ahmad Wali Karzai told CNN, adding that he condemned the desecration of Islam’s holy book.

http://blogs.dailymail.com/donsurber/archives/31721#more-31721

And like I said earlier, there are Muslim videos all over the place of them burning bibles.

“A) are Not American Citizens and subject to American Law
B) Follow your particular belief system”

They want us to respect their rules and laws, they should respect ours as well.
They want us to respect their particular belief systems, they should respect ours as well.

They can burn our books, our bibles, our flag, effigy’s of our POTUS, (and hell, they even burn our buildings and thousands of civilians), but they have to respect our right to do it too.

Color Me Badd said:
Most educated people already know that Christians have killed millions more people in the name of God than any other religion in the history of the world.

First, show me proof or else you are just liar. It was you the other day that even admitted to being a liar. You and some rightie were arguing and you said that only difference between him and you is that he lies for money, you don’t.

So basically you admitted to being a liar.

Nachi said:
Ahh, but what would Jesus say???

Jesus would say, “Line him up against a wall and shoot him” or “shove a spear between his eyes”. Duh!
Or at least hack his head off while chanting “Allahu Akbar”. Oh right, only muslims do that. Never mind.

sarainitaly said:
hon – muslims around the world will use any excuse to get inflamed. they didn’t kill anyone because of a koran burning.

If you receive a specific WARNING against doing a specific ACT, and you go ahead and do it anyway, you’re partly responsible for the consequences.

sarainitaly said:
They want us to respect their rules and laws, they should respect ours as well.
They want us to respect their particular belief systems, they should respect ours as well.

Says who? Where are these ‘rules” coming from, Sara? Think hard before you answer that.

sarainitaly said:
However, President Karzai’s brother denied that the Kandahar protests were a result of the Quran burning.
“The protests in the last two days in Kandahar have no link to the Quran burning in U.S. at all, but were all organized by some people to loot public and government properties,” Ahmad Wali Karzai told CNN, adding that he condemned the desecration of Islam’s holy book.

That’s not what other sources say, Sara…

“Last week in Pakistan, State Department spokesman, Mark Toner, issued a condemnation of the Koran burning. It was also reported
that Pakistan’s interior minister, Rehman Malik, “said Pakistan has taken up the recent desecration of the Holy Koran by lunatic priest Terry Jones with Interpol.”

While Afghan authorities have also reportedly sought the arrest of Terry Jones, the Friday violence targeted at U.N. staff signifies the beginning of a distressing phenomenon for foreigners in Afghanistan.

“Foreigners committed to assisting in the rebuilding of Afghanistan have long accepted the possibility that they might die at the hands of warring parties, but this degree of violence from ordinary citizens is not something most of us factored into our decision to work here,” Una Moore writes for UN Dispatch.

“Tonight, the governor of Balkh province, of which Mazar-i-Sharif is the capital, is telling the international media that the men who sacked the UN compound were Taliban infiltrators. That’s rubbish.”

“Local clerics drove around the city with megaphones yesterday, calling residents to protest the actions of a small group of attention-seeking, bigoted Americans. Then, during today’s protest, someone announced that not just one, but hundreds of Korans had been burned in America. A throng of enraged men rushed the gates of the UN compound, determined to draw blood. Had the attackers been gunmen, they would likely have been killed before they could breach the compound,” Moore added.

Read more: http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/129837/20110401/quran-burning-terry-jones-afghanistan-un-foreigners-violence-islam-taliban-pakistan-barack-obama.htm#ixzz1IVwRKIxh

sarainitaly said:
They can burn our books, our bibles, our flag, effigy’s of our POTUS, (and hell, they even burn our buildings and thousands of civilians), but they have to respect our right to do it too.

First of all, you don’t want to play the “who’s destroyed more buildings and killed more civillians” game as a Westerner. That’s a game you’ll lose…handily. Second, how many REPUBLICANS (I know you don’t really care what non-republicans have to say) will it take to condemn this before you agree it’s not a good idea to desecrate the religion of the four nations we have military and civilian involvement in? Four nations where we actually NEED THE COOPERATION OF THE PEOPLE in order to be successful?

Sara, I understand you’re compelled to ALWAYS disagree with my posts (liberal vs conservative). I get that. Right now you’re not even debating me. You’re debating the reality of the world we live in.

–Cobra

I would like to point out that Pastor Jones was warned not to do this, he is therefore guilty of inciting the murders and arguably guilty of aiding an enemy of the United States. History shows that violent extremists of any religion can mislead sincere religious people into acts of violence. The fact that religious people who engaged in acts of violence became disillusioned illustrates this. Hence, Pastor Jones has aided an enemy of the United States by providing the amunition the extremists need to mislead the devout-but-naive.

Cobra said:
sarainitaly said:
hon – muslims around the world will use any excuse to get inflamed. they didn’t kill anyone because of a koran burning.
If you receive a specific WARNING against doing a specific ACT, and you go ahead and do it anyway, you’re partly responsible for the consequences.

Abortion doctor Tiller were warned to stop performing abortions, and did them anyway. Is he responsible for his own murder?

Cobra said:
sarainitaly said:
They want us to respect their rules and laws, they should respect ours as well.
They want us to respect their particular belief systems, they should respect ours as well.
Says who? Where are these ‘rules” coming from, Sara? Think hard before you answer that.

If you travel to their country, you are expected to respect their religious rules and beliefs. When they move to non-muslim countries, they want the countries to observe and respect their beliefs – closing down pools to have *mulims women only* days, removing crosses from italian classrooms, special permissions for prayer time breaks at work and schools, and special times off for pilgrimages, exceptions from dress codes at schools, rights to cover their faces, despite it being against laws in european countries, the right to build mosques where they want, etc. They want to burn our flag, burn bibles, burn effigys, protest church buildings,
etc., then they have to respect that we have the rights to do that in our country.

Cobra said:
That’s not what other sources say, Sara…

If you listen to the video, and read what you posted, some group used the koran burning as an excuse to get the people riled up, and into a rage, even lying about what happened. I think it’s safe to say that they weren’t outraged because of what happened, but because they were told to be outraged, and given an excuse to riot and kill.

Cobra said:
Second, how many REPUBLICANS (I know you don’t really care what non-republicans have to say) will it take to condemn this before you agree it’s not a good idea to desecrate the religion of the four nations we have military and civilian involvement in? Four nations where we actually NEED THE COOPERATION OF THE PEOPLE in order to be successful?

Sara, I understand you’re compelled to ALWAYS disagree with my posts (liberal vs conservative). I get that. Right now you’re not even debating me. You’re debating the reality of the world we live in.

How many things are we going to be told not to do, because we will inflame muslims? i provided a long list on here somewhere. Anything and everything inflames muslims. people are running scared, and giving in to bullies. in the process, they are taking away the rights of americans. terry jones is an idiot. but to kill over some idiot burning a book makes them bigger idiots.

“don’t protest the ground zero mosque, muslims will get mad!” (despite it being perfectly ok for groups like the Westboro idiots to protest military funerals) “don’t draw mohammed, muslims will get mad!” (even though it’s perfectly acceptable to trash any other religion) “don’t burn the koran” (even though it’s perfectly acceptable to burn a bible)

the difference? non-muslims aren’t killing anyone when that happens. they are giving up our rights to bullies who are threatening violence.

Terrorism: The unlawful use or threatened use of force or violence to intimidate or coerce societies or governments, often for ideological or political reasons.

http://www.history.com/videos/reagan-dont-negotiate-with-terrorists#reagan-dont-negotiate-with-terrorists

why don’t we negotiate with terrorists wrt kidnappings? because it only opens the door for more kidnappings. so, why do we give in to terrorists wrt our civil liberties as Americans?

i disagree with your posts because i disagree with the content, not because of left vs. right.

sarainitaly said:
Abortion doctor Tiller were warned to stop performing abortions, and did them anyway. Is he responsible for his own murder?

In the strictest sense of the law, no. In the scope of the real world, if you’re aware that you run the risk of being killed by doing something, and you still do it, you’re not totally responsible for your fate, but your actions are part of the equation that culminates in the end result.

sarainitaly said:
If you travel to their country, you are expected to respect their religious rules and beliefs.

Bingo! The United States has “traveled” to Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Libya. There are Americans on the ground, either overt or covert, military or civilian in all of those countries. Their lives are put in jeopardy by the actions of Terry Jones according to the commander of the theater, General Petraeus, and the SECDEF, Gates. Why is this so difficult to grasp?

sarainitaly said:
When they move to non-muslim countries, they want the countries to observe and respect their beliefs – closing down pools to have *mulims women only* days, removing crosses from italian classrooms, special permissions for prayer time breaks at work and schools, and special times off for pilgrimages, exceptions from dress codes at schools, rights to cover their faces, despite it being against laws in european countries, the right to build mosques where they want, etc. They want to burn our flag, burn bibles, burn effigys, protest church buildings,
etc., then they have to respect that we have the rights to do that in our country.

I can’t speak to what goes on in Italy, but you don’t want to get started with America in regards to holidays, religious observances, dress codes and group exceptions here in America. A brief stay in Brooklyn will illustrate my point.

sarainitaly said:
If you listen to the video, and read what you posted, some group used the koran burning as an excuse to get the people riled up, and into a rage, even lying about what happened. I think it’s safe to say that they weren’t outraged because of what happened, but because they were told to be outraged, and given an excuse to riot and kill.

Huh? A Tea Party supporter like YOU has a problem with people getting riled up because some authority figure told them they should be?

sarainitaly said:
why don’t we negotiate with terrorists wrt kidnappings? because it only opens the door for more kidnappings. so, why do we give in to terrorists wrt our civil liberties as Americans?

Of course you DO know that Reagan DID negotiate with terrorists. From his own TELEVISED address:

“A few months ago I told the American people I did not trade arms for hostages. My heart and my best intentions still tell me that’s true, but the facts and the evidence tell me it is not. As the Tower Board reported, what began as a strategic opening to Iran deteriorated, in its implementation, into trading arms for hostages. This runs counter to my own beliefs, to administration policy, and the original strategy we had in mind. There are reasons why it happened, but no excuses. It was a mistake. I undertook the original Iran initiative in order to develop relations with those who might assume leadership in a post-Khomeini government.”

http://www.presidentreagan.info/speeches/iran_contra.cfm

sarainitaly said:
i disagree with your posts because i disagree with the content, not because of left vs. right.

Which is why we can have constructive dialogues, Sara. :-)

–Cobra

Cobra said:
Bingo! The United States has “traveled” to Iraq, Afghanistan, Pakistan and Libya. There are Americans on the ground, either overt or covert, military or civilian in all of those countries.

and the americans on the ground THERE should respect their laws. Jones is in his OWN country, and should be able to live by the laws in HIS country.

Cobra said:
Huh? A Tea Party supporter like YOU has a problem with people getting riled up because some authority figure told them they should be?

i’m not a tea partier. i have no problem with people protesting NON VIOLENTLY because they don’t like something. who told people to become tea partiers, and get riled up? no one. it was a grass roots movement.

Cobra said:
It was a mistake.

Cobra said:
Which is why we can have constructive dialogues, Sara. :-)

:O)

The Pastor has freedom of speech just like any other American citizen; the fact that he spoke stupidly and wrecklessly makes him no different that those communists, socialists, fascists, marxists, and so-called “progressives” who pollute our schools, airwaves, and society in general–e.g. those who attended the so-called “restoring sanity” rally.

Cobra said:
Two questions…

1. How did that work out for Reagan in Lebanon 1983?

“On October 23, 1983, suicide bombers crashed a truck bearing more than 2,000 pounds of explosives through protective barricades at U.S. Marine barracks in Lebanon, Beirut. Since the attack took place early on a Sunday morning, it found most of the troops asleep in their beds. The explosion devastated the compound, collapsing the floors of the building on top of each other, killing 241 U.S. servicemen.

President Ronald Reagan had sent American troops to Lebanon earlier in 1983, hoping to stabilize a country ravaged by years of civil war. Their mission was to support a government friendly to U.S. interests and to Israel, and to help end the cycle of violence. The United States was supposed to play the part of an “honest broker” between competing interests.

Hezbollah, the militant Islamic group, claimed responsibility for the bombing. The ability of the United States to remain detached and play the role of honest broker became more difficult after the attack. American military ships shelled Lebanese positions, and the United States was drawn into supporting certain factions against others in the Lebanese civil war. The surviving Marines were withdrawn to U.S. vessels waiting offshore, and just two years after the bombing, President Reagan withdrew all U.S. military forces from the area at the request of the Lebanese government. The experience in Lebanon was devastating one for the President, and it altered his administration’s policy in the Middle East; he never again sent ground troops into Lebanon or any other place in the Middle East.”

http://millercenter.org/president/events/10_23

2. How many MORE US Marines are you planning to sacrifice (at home safe from your keyboard) in defense of a macho posture that means absolutely NOTHING against an adversary that’s already willing to DIE for their cause?

–Cobra

Since Point 1 is the serious one, let me point out there is a large difference between our preparedness(for the U.S Military, not the UN.) between 1983 and 2011. Most peacetime militaries can be one-shotted by a surprise attack because security tends to be lax. This happened to us before on Dec. 7, 1941, (also a Sunday morning, btw) with much worse consequences in terms of loss of life. George Washington captured the entire Hessian merc force in their barracks, and the French, of course, lost their entire country to a “sneak German attack” through the Ardennes forest.

If your military has lax perimeter security, expect to lose troops. Truck and car bomb attacks (in the modern case) are predictable and easy to stop with metal pipe gates and metal and concrete posts. The other likely attack is the Zergling rush( in modern terms, any swarm type attack). Predictable and stoppable also with full auto weapons. All these defenses rely on your troops being ready and WILLING to kill the enemy at any time. Stupid rules of engagement(ROE) will get your troops killed because you are unwilling to kill a potential attacker for political reasons, with the tradeoff of killing stupid people who drive in your base at high speed. In the Iraq conflict we managed to get this right. The Lebanese type attack would fail against a modern military base for these reasons.

Almost 30 years later after 1983 and 9/11 and countless other Muslim attacks one would think foreigners in a lawless country like Afghanistan would learn that you can be atttacked at any time by a local faction with lethal force for no apparent reason. Armed guards are a necessity and local security forces cannot be relied on to use lethal force against other locals, which was the only choice after diplomacy failed, apparently, in the UN’s case.

For the record, withdrawing from Lebanon was a good idea, even though Hezbollah(as Iran’s proxy) took it as a sign of weakness. Why our troops were there is unclear from thirty years later(some humanitarian mission, perhaps). Nothing worth fighting for.

As for point two, one of the lesser known parts of a soldier’s job is to draw fire. A good military will separate the civilians from the attackers by creating a situation where you sort out people by their intention to kill you. This tactic is not always practiced by a western military but it does work well. It is designed to work against a low tech attacker with more numbers, by drawing them into a killing zone and then killing them all. By making their hatred your lure to overpower their caution, you get them to attack a hardened defensive position where you have all the combat advantages. This is using trolling in combat.

I guess he never heard about Salman Rushdie. He may be spending the rest of his life looking over his shoulder. I hope the “15 minutes of fame” was worth it to him.

Easy, easy X-3, the vile hatred spilling from your comments are usually said by “liberals” aren’t they? Uh, uh, a dipshit says whut?

Tedderman said:
Easy, easy X-3, the vile hatred spilling from your comments are usually said by “liberals” aren’t they? Uh, uh, a dipshit says whut?

You LIE! I have said nothing vile nor hate-filled.

THIS ACT WAS DISGUSTING AND DISREPECTFUL TO THE MUSLIMS. AND HE CALLS HIMSELF A MAN OF GOD. (THATS A LAUGH)

Helix said:
If your military has lax perimeter security, expect to lose troops. Truck and car bomb attacks (in the modern case) are predictable and easy to stop with metal pipe gates and metal and concrete posts. The other likely attack is the Zergling rush( in modern terms, any swarm type attack). Predictable and stoppable also with full auto weapons. All these defenses rely on your troops being ready and WILLING to kill the enemy at any time. Stupid rules of engagement(ROE) will get your troops killed because you are unwilling to kill a potential attacker for political reasons, with the tradeoff of killing stupid people who drive in your base at high speed. In the Iraq conflict we managed to get this right. The Lebanese type attack would fail against a modern military base for these reasons.
Almost 30 years later after 1983 and 9/11 and countless other Muslim attacks one would think foreigners in a lawless country like Afghanistan would learn that you can be atttacked at any time by a local faction with lethal force for no apparent reason. Armed guards are a necessity and local security forces cannot be relied on to use lethal force against other locals, which was the only choice after diplomacy failed, apparently, in the UN’s case.

Serious comment, and in a conventional war, I can’t find many faults in that strategy. The problem? We’re NOT in a conventional war. From General Petraeus himself:

“We have to – absolutely must – remain committed to reducing the loss of innocent civilian life to an absolute minimum in the conduct of our operations,” he said. “In fact, [the United Nations Mission in Afghanistan] actually recognized recently in a report that even as we have tripled the number of U.S. forces on the ground, the number of civilian casualties has gone down by 30 percent, which is a pretty extraordinary achievement, frankly, and something we must stay committed to.”

The biggest issue, Petraeus said, was the resources devoted to the effort in Afghanistan. In January 2009, he said, U.S. forces on the ground in Afghanistan numbered roughly 30,000, and that number soon will be more than 98,000. The number of civilians has been tripled, he added, and funding has been provided for 100,000 additional Afghan security forces.

“What that is enabling us to do for the first time here is to carry out a comprehensive civil-military counterinsurgency campaign,” Petraeus said.

Read more: http://www.defencetalk.com/petraeus-explains-afghanistan-strategy-28574/#ixzz1Ic48Jaoy

“a comprehensive civil-military counterinsurgency campaign”

What is the core strategy of counterinsurgency?

Winning the Hearts and Minds of the population.

“In clear contrast to the reliance on military solutions in conventional wars, counter-insurgency (COIN) theory and practice emphasize the non-kinetic aspects of warfare. The goal of COIN is to gain legitimacy for the government of the host nation (HN); this means that the support of the populace, on which the legitimacy of governing institutions rests, is required….
…For example, much of David Galula’, Counterinsurgency Warfare: Theory and Practice (originally published in 1964) is devoted to information and psychological warfare. Field Manual FM 3-24, meanwhile, states that COIN is largely a battle of ideas. “Protracted popular war,” Generals Petraeus and Mattis (authors of the manual), “is best countered by winning the ‘hearts and minds’ of the populace” through social, informational, and political programs.”

https://www.strategicsocial.com/socialtechnologies/?p=22

Helix, your debate isn’t with me. Your debate is with General Petraeus and the US Army Field Manual’s section on counterinsurgency tactics.

IMHO, you can criticize, or disagree with foreign policy openly till the cows come home, but if a United States citizen purposefully, and deliberately acts in a manner that could not only jeopardize the counterinsurgency war campaign of the US Government, but put the lives of American troops and civilians in harm’s way, that’s an act of a traitor, and dangerously close to sedition.

–Cobra

Terry Jones and his crazed congretation are fully responsible for all outrage in Afganistan. They have made themselves emeny combatants against the United States and its interests and should be specially rendered to a secret location for trial. Turning them over the mobs in the streets of Afghanistan would be ideal.

See how long he can continue to lie about his involvement. He was warned by the United States that this would happen. Since people were murdered because of Jones’ disregard for human life. He should pay with his and those of his fellow perpetrators of this criminal conspiracy.

It would be much better if Americans united and locked the Pastor and his congregation in their church and burned it to the ground on international T.V. to show that Americans are against any desecration of the Koran.

Leckan said:
Don’t forget that it was christians who started it with the book burning. Sometimes people forget that it’s not only islams fault, it’s also christianity’s. Intolerance towards the western world has increased due to many muslims seeing the wars today in the middle east as more christian crusades.

It certainly was. Those who rate these comments are obviously right wing Republican nut cases who cannot understand that their “Christian” LOL comments that encouraged Jones are just as responsible as he and his dead head congregation. We need to clean house in the U.S. not a foreign cesspool.