Media Spectacle Preview: 9/11 Conspirators To Be Tried In NYC
Attorney General Eric Holder’s decision to bring Khalid Sheikh Mohammed and four others detained at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, to trial at a New York City courthouse was received with mixed reaction Friday, both on the political spectrum and in the media world. There are many parts to this story and so as a service to you, let’s review where this story has been and where its likely to go, at least in the world of the opinion press.
The core of the debate — and what we can expect to hear in the coming weeks and months — seems to center around a few basic ideas, namely Guantanamo Bay, torture and language.
Some have made the argument that the Obama administration is trying to demonstrate the American justice system to the extremists, or the developing nation’s from where many of these extremists come. And while this story is sure to garner a ton of attention in the Fata regions of Pakistan, for example, critics of this concept point out that is a non-starter. The appreciation of habeus corpus and a jury of one’s peers hasn’t worked too well so far, at least in the eyes of the those responsible for 9/11.
More likely, the Justice department is simply looking for an end game. If you believe, as some interpret the Constitution — that nobody can be held without a fair trial — then these guys must be tried. The risk here is that somehow they will be acquitted, though we’ve all read that Mohammed has admitted to being responsible for the planning of 9/11. But will that admission hold up given that we also know that he confessed while being water-boarded — which, is either torture or “harsh interrogation techniques,” depending on which networks you’re watching or what you’re reading?
Will Mohammed’s testimony hold up? And what happens if the trial is dismissed or he is acquitted? How can we detain a guy that we can’t prove, without a shadow of a doubt, to be guilty under the American system.
The way that this debate evolves has as much to do with language as politics and law. Are we at war? If we are at war and these are prisoners of war, aren’t we supposed to return them to their country according to the Geneva Convention? But they do not come from a “nation” as defined by the Geneva convention. So then, are we really at war — and if so, with whom? This leads some to say that we are trying these individuals criminally, which is a huge hot-button word on this subject.
Mediaite publisher Dan Abrams — also NBC’s chief legal analyst — addressed these very issues on MSNBC, calling the decision to try the suspects in a civilian court as opposed to a military commission “a tough call.” Check out the clip below:
And beyond the obvious political implications, questions of rhetoric and fairness also arise.
>>>NEXT: Can Sheikh Mohammed possibly receive a fair trial?
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I don’t think it’s up so much to the Judge or the Defendant as to whether these will be “show trials” as Mr. Abrams said, instead a lot more of the burden will fall to the NY-based, NY-centric media.
Oh, and dude from E&P – There’s actually been a couple of places in the heartland, who have halfway volunteered to take the Guantanamo prisoners because they could use the jobs.
Unless the evidence against Mohammed was obtained under torture or threat of torture, it shouldn’t matter (as far as his trial is concerned) that he was water-tortured. That would be relevant if/when Darth Cheney and his stormtroopers ever face war crimes charges (if I had a say in the matter, KSM and Dick Vader would share a prison cell at the SuperMax).
Whether KSM and his lunatic buddies were or were tortured is not the question presented. Now that they are in a civilian court the question is were they given their “Miranda rights”. If not, all evidence will NOT be admissible it would seem. They will walk free if that is the case.
Another item of future concern. As a combat Marine whose primary weapon during wartime was the use of a machine gun (m-60), how am I or any future machine gunners suppose to give the enemy their “NOW” required Miranda rights (as per the Attorney General Holder) before I blow them away? What if they live and are taken prisoner? Are they to be let free because they were not given their rights?
KSM and Dick Vadar should share a prison cell? WOW! I can’t imagine what you think of our troops and our CIA agents. NIce to know you appreciate your VEEP doing what he was sworn in to do.
Tater: Thanks for your service, and good questions. Given that enemy combatants are now being given full constitutional rights, it will be interesting to see how this whole trial plays out. I wonder how they are going to get a “jury of his peers” in NY? Will there be a religious test for potential jurors, no Christians allowed? I guess in the case of machine gunners the ROE will be take no prisoners.
You really are an ignoramus, aren’t you? KSM wasn’t caught on any battlefield. He was busted by the police in Pakistan, along with his 6 and 8-year-old sons -all of whom were handed over the CIA, who in all likelihood water-tortured them to get their father to “confess” to the lies used to justify the war in Iraq.
The Telegraph (a conservative paper in London) has the details.
Two young sons of Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, the suspected mastermind of the September 11 attacks, are being used by the CIA to force their father to talk.
Yousef al-Khalid, nine, and his brother, Abed al-Khalid, seven, were taken into custody in Pakistan last September when intelligence officers raided a flat in Karachi where their father had been hiding.
He fled just hours before the raid but his two young sons, along with another senior al-Qa’eda member, were found cowering behind a wardrobe in the apartment.
The boys have been held by the Pakistani authorities but this weekend they were flown to America where they will be questioned about their father.
Last night CIA interrogators confirmed that the boys were staying at a secret address where they were being encouraged to talk about their father’s activities.
“We are handling them with kid gloves. After all, they are only little children,” said one official, “but we need to know as much about their father’s recent activities as possible. We have child psychologists on hand at all times and they are given the best of care.”
Their father, Mohammed, 37, is being interrogated at the Bagram US military base in Afghanistan. He is being held in solitary confinement and subjected to “stress and duress”-style interrogation techniques.
He has been told that his sons are being held and he is being encouraged to divulge future attacks against the West and talk about the whereabouts of Osama bin Laden.
“He has said very little so far,” one CIA official said yesterday. “He sits in a trance-like state and recites verses from the Koran. But while he may claim to be a devout Muslim, we know he is fond of the Western-style fast life.
“His sons are important to him. The promise of their release and their return to Pakistan may be the psychological lever we need to break him.”
So not only did the Cheney-Bush Junta water torture Khalid Sheikh Mohammed 183 times (a crime the Allies hanged Captain Matsuo Komei and other Imperial Japanese officers for committing during World War 2), but they abducted his small children and held them hostage to get him to agree to the Junta’s lies. Read the bolded part again and keep two facts in mind when you do:
1) The Cheney-Bush Junta and their apologists don’t consider anything to be torture unless it causes death or organ failure.
2) Psychologists have been Bush’s willing executioners ever since the Crawford Caligula and his henchmen approved the use of torture.
I think the American people have the right to know just how many times a six-year-old boy was water tortured in front of his father to make him talk. In addition, we need to know how many times the 8-year-old was tortured as well.
Are you proud of being a citizen of a country that would do such a thing?
Jelperman says:
November 15, 2009 at 8:09 pm
Wow… you really made up a lot of stuff in that screed. Nice job… fiction seems to be your specialty.
But this is the problem with today’s very far Left / blue-bloggers like Jelperman. Their hatred of all things Bush/Cheney, have manifested into non-reality where they can’t tell the truth from the lies they’ve made up. They hate Bush so much, they’d gladly see KSM or one of his terrorist allies released, simply because they think the could attack Bush with it. The actual situation, the memory of what happened 8 years ago doesn’t register… only hate for Bush. It’s amazing to me how they warp the truth to fit their hate… but as Jelp demonstrates, it’s not about the safety of American’s… it’s about the destruction of Bush… that is priority number one, everything else is worthless.
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