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Morning Joe‘s Heated Debate Over Obama’s ‘Self Righteous Indignation’ On Gitmo

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In a lively–and at times heated–debate on Tuesday morning’s Morning Joe, Joe Scarborough questioned whether President Obama–who began his re-election campaign yesterday–has lost the “halo” he wore when he ran for president in 2008, focusing specifically on his campaign vow to close the military prison at Guantanamo Bay. “He found Gitmo so repugnant, he vowed to get rid of it in his first day in office,” Scarborough said, noting that has of course not happened.

“I am not going to allow this president and everybody else to let the parade roll by after listening to them beat their chests in self-righteous indignation like Jim and Tammy Fay Baker for two years. They have been outed, okay?” Scarborough said, accusing Obama of implying that President Bush and Vice President Cheney “didn’t love the Constitution as much as he did.”

Scarborough came under criticism from Mika Brzezinski, and commentator John Heilemann accused Scarborough of “mischaracterizing” the president’s points during the 2008 campaign. “To (Obama), it was the torture policy he was most morally outraged by,” not the ongoing presence of military combatants at Gitmo. And, Heilemann said, President Obama has “veered” strongly away from the policy on torture.

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  • skyfet

    Talking from both sides of his mouth.

  • THE REAL ROYAL KING

    This had the potential of being a good debate. It is a shame Joe finds it necessary to prattle on incessantly, repetitively and Mika tries to play coy. That detracted from the debate, but they both made some very good points. I agree with Mika, if Guantanamo had not been opened by W, President Obama would have never opened, but I also agree with Joe that President Obama can’t go all holier than thou if he perpetuates W’s mistakes and indiscretions.

  • More Liberty5

    And now, great moments in Dem/Repub hypocrisy:

    http://articles.cnn.com/2009-01-22/politics/guantanamo.order_1_detention-guantanamo-bay-torture?_s=PM:POLITICS

    “romising to return America to the “moral high ground” in the war on terrorism, President Obama issued three executive orders Thursday to demonstrate a clean break from the Bush administration, including one requiring that the Guantanamo Bay detention facility be closed within a year.

    During a signing ceremony at the White House, Obama reaffirmed his inauguration pledge that the United States does not have “to continue with a false choice between our safety and our ideals.”

    The president said he was issuing the order to close the facility in order to “restore the standards of due process and the core constitutional values that have made this country great even in the midst of war, even in dealing with terrorism.”

  • cjd ohio 1

    nice defense mark, now i know where you stand

  • cjd ohio 1

    cjd ohio 1 said:
    nice defense mark, now i know where you stand

    just torture, not gitmo lol lean forward

  • THE REAL ROYAL KING

    More Liberty5 said:
    And now, great moments in Dem/Repub hypocrisy:

    http://articles.cnn.com/2009-01-22/politics/guantanamo.order_1_detention-guantanamo-bay-torture?_s=PM:POLITICS

    “romising to return America to the “moral high ground” in the war on terrorism, President Obama issued three executive orders Thursday to demonstrate a clean break from the Bush administration, including one requiring that the Guantanamo Bay detention facility be closed within a year.

    During a signing ceremony at the White House, Obama reaffirmed his inauguration pledge that the United States does not have “to continue with a false choice between our safety and our ideals.”

    The president said he was issuing the order to close the facility in order to “restore the standards of due process and the core constitutional values that have made this country great even in the midst of war, even in dealing with terrorism.”

    I have to admit I am disturbed by it.

  • More Liberty5

    @ King

    It’s just the way it goes with these politicians. Lies, lies, lies regardless of (D) or (R).

  • Probably NOT wrong

    Looks a though “Goober got one right this time”
    Brains or looks don’t appear to be Mika’s strongest assets!
    No FOX gig ever for that one!
    Heiiemann was an idiot yesterday, is an idiot today and will be an
    idiot when he wakes up tomorrow morning!

  • jerrybobphil

    Senator Barack Obama, 2007: “In setting up Guantanamo Bay we compromised our most precious values. In setting up the detention cells at Guantanamo, the military commissions represent a legal framework that does not work and is a terrorist recruiting tool,” calling it “a legal black hole.”

  • tatboy

    Mika is a hypocrite and a moron. She is a show wife with a father who accomplished a lot. She accomplished nothing but being a joke and a nice piece of arm candy.

  • jerrybobphil

    Why did you leave out Joe last line?

    “You know, I get it: it’s Barack Obama. He can say whatever he wants to say and I think the press is going to salute.”

  • THE REAL ROYAL KING

    More Liberty5 said:
    @ King

    It’s just the way it goes with these politicians. Lies, lies, lies regardless of (D) or (R).

    I sometimes worry about us turning our politicians into revered figures, into idols because it deprives them of the ability to change. If W had said, “On reflection, opening Guantanamo was a mistake ….” or if President Obama said, “I meant it when I said Guantanamo ought never be opened and should be shut down, but the facts of changed in light of ….” I wouldn’t think less of either. In fact, my regard for both would increase.

  • ProObamaAgenda

    LOL@ srarbroughs lies, Obama never called Bush evil….joe was all for more troops in Afghanistan until Obama fired McCrystal….these wingnuts dont want to acknowledge the fact that the congress defunded bringing any terrorists from gitmo onto the mainland…that miranda rights thingy really bothers repukes….republicans want to deny the right of a fair trial for gitmo detainees, because they will walk because of the torture..now hes suddenly offended because Obama gave him what hes been asking for….this is reason #1 why you shouldn’t give republicans shit. Joe needs the STFU and admit that Obama was forced into the policy change by republicans….YOU STUPID ASS REPUBLICANS ARE GUILTY OF AIDING AND ABETTING TERRORISTS

  • slickerwick

    I know I’ve lost track of the number of campaign promises broken, and on issues that he made a big deal of during the campaign. Flim-flam artist and empty suit, marketed like a new product by the msm. Meet the new boss, same as the old.

  • espo222

    Mika is a total joke. Note to Willie: unless you are a black baseball player or a 7 year old boy, you mush call yourself Bill or William. It is so obvious that Joe wants to get out of that awful show filled with nitwits. Poor Mika doesn’t want to give her opinion because Joe will eviscerate her–WAHHHHHH. Say what you want about Fox, but at least they employ female newspeople with a brain. Granted, they are mostly beautiful too, but they would never say that they didn’t want to give an opinion because it conflicted with someone who had a different opinion and she may have to defend her point. Mika should be a newsreader on a local news channel and not one on the major networks.

  • More Liberty5

    ProObamaAgenda said:
    Obama was forced into the policy change by republicans….YOU STUPID ASS REPUBLICANS ARE GUILTY OF AIDING AND ABETTING TERRORISTS

    You appear to be no different than some of the partisans on the other side. You simply can’t bring yourself to admitting that Obama simply just changed him mind on this issue. Until January of this year, Obama enjoyed a majority in the Senate and House. Anything he couldn’t get passed or done is no one fault but his. The same goes with this whole budget issue. Technically, this budget should have been passed in November of 2010.

    Bit no worries, the establishment republicans do the same thing.

  • Colorado_Conservative

    THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
    This had the potential of being a good debate. It is a shame Joe finds it necessary to prattle on incessantly, repetitively and Mika tries to play coy. That detracted from the debate, but they both made some very good points. I agree with Mika, if Guantanamo had not been opened by W, President Obama would have never opened, but I also agree with Joe that President Obama can’t go all holier than thou if he perpetuates W’s mistakes and indiscretions.

    You act like opening club gitmo was a bad idea.
    Where would you have preferred to the terrorists be kept?
    On our soil so they could recruit home grown terrorists?

    Obama said anything he could to gain support when he was campaigning regardless if he knew it to be a lie or if he even had a clue as to what he saying and people like you believed him…face it…you were swing=dled by a con artist…and not a very good one at that. We just happen to have a bunch of stupid people in this country who buy what he lies about.

    There isn’t much difference between Bush and Obama except Bush didn’t think he was god!
    Obama got us into another war and tripled Bush spending yet stupid asses on the left are such hypocrites they give him a free pass on it.

    btw, quit blaming Bush..your incompetent community organizer is at the helm now!!

  • espo222

    Colorado_Conservative said:
    You act like opening club gitmo was a bad idea.
    Where would you have preferred to the terrorists be kept?
    On our soil so they could recruit home grown terrorists?

    Obama said anything he could to gain support when he was campaigning regardless if he knew it to be a lie or if he even had a clue as to what he saying and people like you believed him…face it…you were swing=dled by a con artist…and not a very good one at that. We just happen to have a bunch of stupid people in this country who buy what he lies about.

    There isn’t much difference between Bush and Obama except Bush didn’t think he was god!
    Obama got us into another war and tripled Bush spending yet stupid asses on the left are such hypocrites they give him a free pass on it.

    btw, quit blaming Bush..your incompetent community organizer is at the helm now!!

    I don’t get the opposition to Gitmo–was it because a few bad soldiers tortured inmates??? Libs want to let these pieces of garbage run free to plot other attacks. The best place for them is outside of the US.

  • More Liberty5

    Colorado_Conservative said:
    btw, quit blaming Bush..your incompetent community organizer is at the helm now!!

    An has been for over TWO years.

  • Black and Gold Brad

    Here’s the deal folks:

    Every Single Obama Utterance comes with an expiration date. Every. Damn. One.

  • NOBAMA 2012

    Obamabots voted for Obama to prove they’re not prejudiced.
    Who will the Obamabots vote for next time to prove they’re not stupid.

    NOBAMA 2012

    “Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink.” P.J.O’Rourke

  • timzank

    Anybody with a modicum of common sense understands GITMO is a perfect solution for terrorists captured and an even more perfect solution for the trials of terrorists. Keep them the frick off the mainland and out of the civilian criminal “system”.

  • http://www.sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

    The ruling, Boumediene v. Bush, undercut a core rationale for keeping the prison off American soil, raising expectations that Mr. Bush might at last move to close it, a prospect he first raised in June 2006, when he said, “I’d like to close Guantánamo, but I also recognize that we’re holding some people that are darn dangerous, and that we better have a plan to deal with them in our courts.”

    In August 2007, Mr. Bush said “it should be a goal of the nation to shut down Guantánamo,” adding, “But it is not as easy a subject as some may think on the surface.”

    Mr. Cheney and his chief of staff, David S. Addington, have made it clear in the internal discussions this year that keeping Guantánamo open under a new president would validate the administration’s decisions dealing with terrorists, the officials said.

    Closing Guantánamo would most likely mean abandoning prosecutions against some detainees and risking the release of others who still pose a threat to the United States and its allies.

    An administration official who favors closing the prison suggested that the next president might reconsider after having access to the classified evidence that the Bush administration believes justifies the indefinite detention of dozens of detainees.

    “The new president will gnash his teeth and beat his head against the wall when he realizes how complicated it is to close Guantánamo,” the official said.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/21/washington/21gitmo.html

  • Black and Gold Brad

    THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
    I agree with Mika, if Guantanamo had not been opened by W, President Obama would have never opened

    Uh… Darn that Bush!

    If Bush hadn’t cut every taxpayer’s federal taxes, Poor Obama would never have extended them
    If Bush hadn’t invaded Afghanistan, Poor Obama would never have Surged troops there
    If Bush hadn’t begun Predator drone strikes, Poor Obama would never have continued (and increased) them
    If Bush hadn’t passed the Patriot Act, Poor Obama would never have continued it
    If Bush hadn’t invaded 2 Middle-East countries, Poor Obama would never have made it 3

    So, are all these flip-flops The Hope, or The Change?

  • DonnaK

    I really enjoyed Morning Joe when it first came on, now Joe Scarborough seems to be willing to do anything for publicity. He comes across as a big fool, he will say anything to get publicity, I see the next stop for him on a reality show. Mika seems willing to play along, I don’t respect either one of them, it seems like they are looking for the next bif pay day….They both over estimate themselves and their relivance……

  • TangledThorns

    The Obama loving wagons… they are circling.

  • THE REAL ROYAL KING

    timzank said:
    Anybody with a modicum of common sense understands GITMO is a perfect solution for terrorists captured and an even more perfect solution for the trials of terrorists. Keep them the frick off the mainland and out of the civilian criminal “system”.

    Odd. In every terrorist trial so far, our system of jurisprudence has commended itself very well, indeed. In fact, it seems to have done much better than the military tribunals.

  • MrTPar_taY

    Eric Holder’s “people” (let you read into that one!) were responsible for filing lawsuits against the Bush administration when they wanted to proceed with military tribunals against the terrorists!

    That’s a tendency of the administration – hiding behind their words – put on your glasses folks! These guys are good.

  • butchbarb

    The president and his attorney general will do what the polls ask for. They wanted trials in the USA and now the polls are against them and they want them in Gitmo. They don’t have any idea what they are doing. They were going to be out of Afghanistan and now we are still there and the president by himself started another war in Libya. He didn’t have the courage to do it while he was here, he waited until he was on yet another vacation. The congress be damed, he doesn’t need them to start a war. The reason he wanted them tried in civilian courts was to make his liberal attorney’s rich.

  • BR

    jerrybobphil said:
    Why did you leave out Joe last line?

    “You know, I get it: it’s Barack Obama. He can say whatever he wants to say and I think the press is going to salute.”

    And if they dont………they are RACIST!

  • MrTPar_taY

    A pretty terrible old politician once cleverly noted that:

    “There’s about a nickel’s worth of difference between a Democrat and a Republican”

    Anybody want to bet that Bubba’s $100 Million boondoggle’s been on BHO’s mind for a very, very long time!

  • http://www.sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

    joe was right, mika and john were so wrong.

  • http://MsUnderestimated.com MsUnderestimated

    espo222 said:
    I don’t get the opposition to Gitmo–was it because a few bad soldiers tortured inmates??? Libs want to let these pieces of garbage run free to plot other attacks. The best place for them is outside of the US.

    I beg to differ… the best place for them is UNDER Camp X-Ray.

  • http://www.sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

    In 2006, Obama opposed the Military Commissions Act, offering an amendment that would sunset its provisions. When the Military Commissions Act passed anyway – without the amendment – Obama delivered a scathing speech, saying that the debate “over the fundamental human rights of the accused should be bigger than politics.”

    Obama now says that, as president, he would stop the military commissions and try the remaining Guantanamo Bay detainees in military courts-martial or in federal courts, which have successfully tried some terrorist cases.

    http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/05/11/candidates_hold_stances_on_guantanamo/?page=2

    Obama notes that in five years of the Bush administration’s system of military tribunals, “not one terrorist has been tried. Not one has been convicted. And in the end, the Supreme Court of the United States found the whole thing unconstitutional (see June 30, 2006), which is why we’re here today.

    We could have fixed all of this in a way that allows us to detain and interrogate and try suspected terrorists while still protecting the accidentally accused from spending their lives locked away in Guantanamo Bay. Easily. This was not an either-or question.” Congress could have written and passed legislation that would have established “a real military system of justice that would sort out the suspected terrorists from the accidentally accused,” one that would be in line with domestic law and the Geneva Conventions. Instead, “politics won today.… The administration got its vote, and now it will have its victory lap, and now they will be able to go out on the campaign trail and tell the American people that they were the ones who were tough on the terrorists.” Meanwhile, Obama says, questions about the efficacy and legality of the Bush system of justice persist, al-Qaeda and the Taliban are regrouping “while we look the other way,” and the administration is bent on fighting a war in Iraq “that our own government’s intelligence says is serving as al-Qaeda’s best recruitment tool.…

    This is not how a serious administration would approach the problem of terrorism.” [US SENATE, 9/28/2006]

    http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a092806obamamca#a092806obamamca

  • ProObamaAgenda

    More Liberty5 said:
    You appear to be no different than some of the partisans on the other side. You simply can’t bring yourself to admitting that Obama simply just changed him mind on this issue. Until January of this year, Obama enjoyed a majority in the Senate and House. Anything he couldn’t get passed or done is no one fault but his. The same goes with this whole budget issue. Technically, this budget should have been passed in November of 2010.

    Bit no worries, the establishment republicans do the same thing.

    LOL@ you suddenly forgetting about how the repukes used the power of the filibuster to stop legislation they didn’t like from even being voted on….obstructionism was at full tilt for 2 whole years and Obama still managed to pass more meaningful legislation in 2 years than any president in US history..now that they’ve lied to the public and managed to hijack the House they use their new found power to push their social issues agenda by holding America hostage and attaching their wingnut issues to budget matters….you dumbasses support that stupid shit even though ITS YOU that will have to suffer and pay for this nonsense while the millionaires and billionaires get a free pass….you hatemongering assholes are just like the extremists in the middle east….you’ll gladly kill yourselves if you think id die too………..DUMBASSES

  • Tedderman

    Joe’s a typical righty, ignoring the fact that despite Obama’s wishes we can never try any of the terrorist suspects in open court because of what Bush had done to them. Sheikh Khalid Mohammad was tortured 183 times until he told them what they wanted him to say, not the truth just what Bush’s boys wanted.
    The absurd belief that the terrorists would get loose is another scare tactic always trotted out by the right, it’s never going to happen. We could imprison them here and even create some jobs but the right would freak out.

  • MrTPar_taY

    sarainitaly said:
    In 2006, Obama opposed the Military Commissions Act, offering an amendment that would sunset its provisions. When the Military Commissions Act passed anyway – without the amendment – Obama delivered a scathing speech, saying that the debate “over the fundamental human rights of the accused should be bigger than politics.”

    Obama now says that, as president, he would stop the military commissions and try the remaining Guantanamo Bay detainees in military courts-martial or in federal courts, which have successfully tried some terrorist cases.

    http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/05/11/candidates_hold_stances_on_guantanamo/?page=2

    Obama notes that in five years of the Bush administration’s system of military tribunals, “not one terrorist has been tried. Not one has been convicted. And in the end, the Supreme Court of the United States found the whole thing unconstitutional (see June 30, 2006), which is why we’re here today.

    We could have fixed all of this in a way that allows us to detain and interrogate and try suspected terrorists while still protecting the accidentally accused from spending their lives locked away in Guantanamo Bay. Easily. This was not an either-or question.” Congress could have written and passed legislation that would have established “a real military system of justice that would sort out the suspected terrorists from the accidentally accused,” one that would be in line with domestic law and the Geneva Conventions. Instead, “politics won today.… The administration got its vote, and now it will have its victory lap, and now they will be able to go out on the campaign trail and tell the American people that they were the ones who were tough on the terrorists.” Meanwhile, Obama says, questions about the efficacy and legality of the Bush system of justice persist, al-Qaeda and the Taliban are regrouping “while we look the other way,” and the administration is bent on fighting a war in Iraq “that our own government’s intelligence says is serving as al-Qaeda’s best recruitment tool.…

    This is not how a serious administration would approach the problem of terrorism.” [US SENATE, 9/28/2006]

    http://www.historycommons.org/context.jsp?item=a092806obamamca#a092806obamamca

    What do you think the odds are that they’re part of a cult?

  • http://www.sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

    On January 20, the answer to that question seemed obvious. In his inaugural speech, with George W. Bush standing just behind him, President Obama pointedly pledged to “reject as false the choice between our safety and our ideals” — a clear indication that, as he promised in a speech in August 2007, he would dismantle the extra-legal aberrations of the Bush administration’s “War on Terror”:

    “When I am President, America will reject torture without exception. America is the country that stood against that kind of behavior, and we will do so again,” and made the following pledge with regard to Guantánamo, “I also will reject a legal framework that does not work. There has been only one conviction at Guantánamo. It was for a guilty plea on material support for terrorism. The sentence was nine months. There has not been one conviction of a terrorist act. I have faith in America’s courts, and I have faith in our JAGs [the military lawyers of the Judge Advocate General’s Corps]. As President, I will close Guantánamo, reject the Military Commissions Act, and adhere to the Geneva Conventions. Our Constitution and our Uniform Code of Military Justice provide a framework for dealing with the terrorists.”

    http://www.enduringamerica.com/february-2009/2009/2/9/obama-v-the-military-again-the-closure-of-guantanamo-bay.html

    “Why don’t we close Guantanamo and restore the right of habeas corpus, because that’s how we lead, not with the might of our military, but the power of our ideals and the power of our values. It’s time to show the world we’re not a country that ships prisoners in the dead of night to be tortured in far off countries. We’re not a country that runs prisons which locks people away without ever telling them why they’re there or what they’re charged with. We’re not a country which preaches compassion to others while we allow bodies to float down the streets of major American cities. That’s not who we are.”
    http://glassbooth.org/explore/index/barack-obama/11/civil-liberties-and-domestic-security/2/

    “On one side of the spectrum, there are those who make little allowance for the unique challenges posed by terrorism, and who would almost never put national security over transparency,” Obama said in a pointed return of fire from those to his left.

    “On the other end of the spectrum, there are those who embrace a view that can be summarized in two words: ‘anything goes,’ ” Obama said.

    The counter-fire on Cheney, who was never mentioned by name, was clear: “Their arguments suggest that the ends of fighting terrorism can be used to justify any means, and that the president should have blanket authority to do whatever he wants provided that it is a president with whom they agree.”

    Obama vowed on his second day in office to close Guantanamo Bay as an affront to American values and a “recruiting poster” for terrorists organizations like al-Qaida.

    Senator Obama has repeatedly promised to shut Guantanamo, calling the camp “a sad chapter in American history”.

  • http://www.sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

    Mr. Obama also insisted that his calls to close the Guantanamo Bay prison, to end warrantless wiretapping, and to repudiate torture, should not lead people to view him as liberal.

    “I’m accused of being you know this ‘progressive … far-out,’” he said. “I’m conservative, in the sense that I want us to get back to those values that were essential to building America.”

    http://www.nysun.com/national/obama-clinton-health-plan-doomed-by-secrecy/66515/

  • MrTPar_taY

    sarainitaly said:
    Mr. Obama also insisted that his calls to close the Guantanamo Bay prison, to end warrantless wiretapping, and to repudiate torture, should not lead people to view him as liberal.

    “I’m accused of being you know this ‘progressive … far-out,’” he said. “I’m conservative, in the sense that I want us to get back to those values that were essential to building America.”

    http://www.nysun.com/national/obama-clinton-health-plan-doomed-by-secrecy/66515/

    So essentially what you’re saying is that obama believes in obama.

  • http://www.sarainitalyblog.blogspot.com/ sarainitaly

    i just thought that statement was so funny!

  • MrTPar_taY

    I can’t seem to make heads or tails out of all this without having a keen eye towards sarcasm and mocking “The Feds anyway I can. I didn’t use to be that way but now that everybody who once hated the government is now worshiping at the altar of the ruling party I always remember what my dear old dad who fought in the Philippines in WWII said way back in the 60′s-he said: “must be something the Chinese put in our water”!

  • roxsteady

    Come on Joe! It’s as clear as that dead intern in your campaign office that the President wanted to close that disgrace but, he needs congress and both Repubicans and Democrats bowed to political pressure. Prosecution of terrorists in criminal courts have brough over 300 convictions while the Military kangroo courts have gotten just 3 convictions. Remember that Congress cut the funding for these trials last December right after the President smoked both Dems and Republicans by getting a deal done. A second term for Obama is all but a done deal and that’s what’s killing Jethro!

  • MrTPar_taY

    Heileman says “To (Obama), it was the torture policy he was most morally outraged by,”

    And, Heilemann said, President Obama has “veered” strongly away from the policy on torture.

    The Obama administration still practices rendition.

  • MrTPar_taY

    roxsteady said:
    Come on Joe! It’s as clear as that dead intern in your campaign office that the President wanted to close that disgrace but, he needs congress and both Repubicans and Democrats bowed to political pressure. Prosecution of terrorists in criminal courts have brough over 300 convictions while the Military kangroo courts have gotten just 3 convictions. Remember that Congress cut the funding for these trials last December right after the President smoked both Dems and Republicans by getting a deal done. A second term for Obama is all but a done deal and that’s what’s killing Jethro!

    Sure Gitmo was in the minds of those scumbags when they attacked on 9/11.

  • Probably NOT wrong

    THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
    I sometimes worry about us turning our politicians into revered figures, into idols because it deprives them of the ability to change. If W had said, “On reflection, opening Guantanamo was a mistake ….” or if President Obama said, “I meant it when I said Guantanamo ought never be opened and should be shut down, but the facts of changed in light of ….” I wouldn’t think less of either. In fact, my regard for both would increase.

    That must make both of them feel better!

  • TfT

    It iws funny watching media do back flips to protect hehimself from this massive flip flop, and it is too funny how the media doesn’t come out in unison and issue one big fat apology to all the us citizenry and to W specifically.

    The One has adopted Bush’s policy and the media is silent. For one, they should say it’s Bush’s fault, but knowing the media they will spin this oto these military trials are Obama’s idea because he is their savior, their one almighty cult leader.

    Mika should be embarrassed, COMCAST should be embarrassed.

    Dianne,Katie, Brian should be screeching at the top of their heads about this reversal, but alas, they will protect he himself, they will cover for him, they wil llie, cheat and steal to make sure that he is not viewed as being a flip-flopper, but just one really smart guy and W was the idiot, even though the really smart guy had to throw his stupid policyh in the trash can and go with the previous guys policies.

    The media is useless.

  • George Sore-ohs

    Mika is incredibly irritating. Not sure why she is still there.

    Her claim to fame is her daddy used to work for Jimmy Carter and was successful in turning Iran from a friend of the US to an anti-Western Islamic Republic.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Jim-Treacher/542957672 Jim Treacher

    slickerwick said:
    I know I’ve lost track of the number of campaign promises broken

    The formula is simple: Take the number of campaign promises Obama made and divide by 1.

  • Cecelia

    Well, done, sarainitaly!

    After eight years of listening to over-wrought liberals rend their garments over Gitmo, NSA wiretapping, and military trials, it’s quite the sight to watch them parsing and doing backflips on behalf of Pres. Obama’s reality check.

  • BFD

    The best part when when Joe kept accusing Obama of calling Bush/Cheney “evil” and “thugs” until John Heilemann told him he was not going to “find those clips”.
    Then Joe switched it all up to Obama AND his supporters.
    Then Heilemann laughed at Joe for changing the parameters.

    See what happens when you put words in someones mouth, Joe? You get pawned on national television. lol

  • Cecelia

    BFD said:
    See what happens when you put words in someones mouth, Joe? You get pawned on national television. lol

    Well, it comes as zero surprise that Scarborough putting words into the president’s mouth, is of more concern to Democrats than the actual words that the president has had to eat.

  • CAconservative

    Their disappointed in Obimbo? Go figure. An inept ego-centric, and their just now finding out? What is colossally-symbolic is the unbelievable amount of faith the Liberal-press put in a guy with no experience, and with a background so entrenched in socialism you’d have to have the IQ of swam-gas not to see it! Seems this interloper is good at running his mouth with little, or no talent for achieving his socialist goals. At this point, I really feel sorry for those that voted for this jerk. It always sad to find out you’ve been duped. But rejoice folks, 2012 is not that far off and even though you bought “a pig in poke”, “Hope and Change” is on the way.

  • Jim R

    Obviously it’s a sore point for conservatives when their disdain for real American values and the Constitution is laid bare for all to see.

    It’s as if they think nobody notices their fawning love of rapacious corporations and immoral oligarchs that have destroyed our nation and our moral standing in the world.

    Things a little spiteful and resentful down in the North Florida Cracker Cul-De-Sac, Joe?

  • KirbbDogg2000

    @ espo222

    I liked your comment about willie’s name lol. Interesting Joe cronies ganing up on him like that. If Mika stood up to him more like that. Morning Joe would be a better show.

  • ChrisNH

    Food prices, gas prices both are skyrocketing. All Obamo’s fault. After all, as Bush-haters always liked to remind us, these things are happening on Obamo’s watch.

  • andthehorseyourodeinon

    This country is being led straight to the poor house by a totally inept President.

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