Fox and MSNBC are both playing politics with all of this. We all know that.

This is not a news organization. It is an extension of the Democratic party. There is not one iota of journalism taking place. They are given their narrative from the white house throughout the day.

Compared to Norah O’Donnell , Mika B. is Albert Einstein .

Just as on this website , MSNBC is a pack of sneering lefties defending ANYTHING Obama does and deriding the ” opposition ” .

Obama is playing politics with this- he had his videographer along for the ride today to capture the moment for his 2012 campaign.

Of course, MSNBC and every other liberal news outlet has a different standard for hehimselftheone than they have for any other politician. Obama is their main man, their leader, the head of their cult, their mesiah, and they will raise him up above all others, for he is their ONE.

Today, he went to let the little people thank HIM; and it will backfire. it already is. Most folks are noticing that he is making it about him and not about them. This is what he does, his ego and arrogance will get the best of him every time.

if Bush had ordered this mission, you guys would be screaming he is a war criminal; since Obama ordered the mission, you guys are screaming he is a hero.

The bias, the bull shit, the double standard is laughable.

GhostFace BinLadenKilla said:
Matty Ice bringing the Fox talking points to Mediaite…. I sense a Drudge link in your future! Alex is going to be pissed!

How’s about covering the media covering Obama’s strong new poll numbers? Or Fox giving airtime this morning to every single 9/11 family who would insult the President?

#SON!!!

But I notice that you were not able to dispute his facts.

Yeh, but what about……………………………………..

I

MS,
Good Post…

“So now all of a sudden a trip to Ground Zero has no political implications whatsoever, and along with Bin Laden’s death, serves as a reminder of Obama’s unparalleled national security experience? Maybe it’s too cynical to point out the disconnect between the reaction to Bush’s and Obama’s encounters with 9/11 remembrance, when Bin Laden’s death has now made everyone feel so patriotic”

The guy just killed the mastermind of a “decade of fear” in American psyche. Maybe that’s why, mr lazy writer.

Just out of curiosity, I asked my grandsons (11 and 14) what they thought of the Osama killing and its aftermath, and even they saw through Obama’s posturing — one of them saying, in effect, “to hear him talk, you’d think he’d singlehandedly dropped in there and taken Osama out himself.” Bottom line: my not-very-political teen and pre-teen grandsons have greater insight than the geniuses at MSNBC.

Obama plays the media like a Stradivarius and as always……the lame stream media falls for it hook line and sinker!!

It’s really hard to tell when these left wing pundits say Obama somberly lays a wreath, while at the same time exclaiming victory lap, just which is spewing from their mouths while the the other from their ass.

With Obama it’s a queer take on the Almond Joy, Mounds commercial, only with Barack it goes. Sometimes he’s a douche, sometimes he’s……always a douche…just sometimes a bigger one than others. He actually spent an entire 50 minutes with the families that lost love ones on 911. That’s got to be some kind of record for him.

DCD-in-Indiana said:
Just out of curiosity, I asked my grandsons (11 and 14) what they thought of the Osama killing and its aftermath, and even they saw through Obama’s posturing — one of them saying, in effect, “to hear him talk, you’d think he’d singlehandedly dropped in there and taken Osama out himself.” Bottom line: my not-very-political teen and pre-teen grandsons have greater insight than the geniuses at MSNBC.

I’m sure they didn’t pick up any of the conversations from their teagagging parents at the dinner table.

There’s a difference between recognizing the trauma of the attack on the occasion of the death of Bin Laden and Rudy’s constant chatter of 9/11. Rudy got that moniker because he earned it. Watch. Obama won’t be talking about this in two weeks.

Hey Matt Schneider! Your just figuring out there is inequitable reporting in the Media? With the advent of Bloggs, with their routine viciousness levied in anonymity, the already left wing media is leaning so far forward their noses are getting smudged. The level of bias really came to the forefront during the last election. With guys like Chris Mathews and Keith O. doing the real-time coverage of the Conventions convinced me that we had gone past the point of no return. All the networks stack the deck against conservatives with pseudo conservatives like David Brooks being represented as the voice of republicans everywhere. FOX, which flops in the opposite direction of these so-called news venues, is routinely excoriated. The left wingers don’t understand why FOX gets the ratings. The reason is that, in addition to Hannity, they do have straight reporting. The confused left rants and drinks the pablum fed to them nightly on MSNBC et al, and never gets any straight reporting. Just circular propaganda spewed with righteous indignation. And you’re surprised that this ground zero event is treated differently from Bush.

WAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!! WHY DOESN’T MSNBC SOUND MORE LIKE FOX!!!!??!?!

This is ludicrous. Comparing the rare visits to Ground Zero by both Obama AND Bush to political campaigns relentlessly dropping “9/11″ is extremely disingenuous. It’s two separate stories, Matt.

Upper Plateau said:
The left wingers don’t understand why FOX gets the ratings. The reason is that, in addition to Hannity, they do have straight reporting. The confused left rants and drinks the pablum fed to them nightly on MSNBC et al, and never gets any straight reporting. Just circular propaganda spewed with righteous indignation. And you’re surprised that this ground zero event is treated differently from Bush.

Here we go again… EVEN Fox’s own internal memos reek of wingnut partisanship in their “news” reporting.

Fox is nothing but the propaganda bureau of the gNOpig party.

I’m sure Olbermann was just as repulsed by THIS 9/11 display as he was when the Republicans had theirs. Oh wait… nevermind. What a douche…

BeckFinallyDemoted said:
WAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!!!!! WHY DOESN’T MSNBC SOUND MORE LIKE FOX!!!!??!?!

Actually it sound just like Fox News… just change the D’s and R’s.

I laugh at how thin skinned liberals are when anything is said about Obama that 100% positive. How could such a vile group of people be so thin skinned after all of the shit that they said about Bush, Palin, and everyone else who they disagree with.

Oops….I said, Obama and skin in the same sentence. Must be a racist!

Barack Must Go said:
It’s really hard to tell when these left wing pundits say Obama somberly lays a wreath, while at the same time exclaiming victory lap, just which is spewing from their mouths while the the other from their ass.

With Obama it’s a queer take on the Almond Joy, Mounds commercial, only with Barack it goes. Sometimes he’s a douche, sometimes he’s……always a douche…just sometimes a bigger one than others. He actually spent an entire 50 minutes with the families that lost love ones on 911. That’s got to be some kind of record for him.

Sometimes.. he wins…always wins. He’s better than anyone on your side, how does that feel? You’re pathetic.. so is your party.. so is your life… oh man, it’s hilarious.

“Today President Obama visited Ground Zero in what basically seemed like a gesture to allow as many people as possible to thank him personally for ordering the mission that found and killed Osama bin Laden.”

Wow! That line totally exposes your bias.

I am happy that the liberals are celebrating water-boarding and KILL missions.
Obama is a amazing but Bush & Cheney were war criminals??
Panetta the only guy telling the truth. Everyone else is on their 8th version of the KILL mission!

Lets get some facts straight.

1) When Bush was elected he had no interest in AlQuaeda – his focus was missile shield , Iraq and China. while Al Quaeda was Clinton’s number 1 priority at that time.
2) Bush and Condiliza Rice had no interest in reading intelligence reports about an imminent attack on the USA – Bush spent much of his first months as president cutting Brush on his Texas ranch – too busy to be concerened about Alqueada.
3) When Al Quaeda did attack – all Bush wanted to do was find a connection to Iraq. He ordered the person in Charge of Terrorism under four Presidents (Richard Clarke) to “Find a Connection” to Saddam (there were witnesses to that order) – having been told countless times that there was no connection.
4) Yes Bush did attack Afghanistan as any President would have done – but unlike any other President he was so anxious to get Saddam that he lost focus on Afghanistan at the very moment Bin Laden was cornered.
5) Then because he was such a shallow thinker – he really thought that a) Ignoring the Geneva Convention b) Using Torture and c) detaining with out trial was a way to endear people to America’s cause (cheap oil) – how much dumber can you get.
Bush get Credit? you guys are out of your tiny little minds. Bush and Chaney are war criminals who launched an illegal war on Iraq. Now once again smart high calibre people are cleaning up the mess of silly low calibre people.

And yes I realise that these facts can not be handled by the many bigots that troll this website. But there may be some fair minded people who are actually interested in the facts.

dummy123 said:
I am happy that the liberals are celebrating water-boarding and KILL missions.
Obama is a amazing but Bush & Cheney were war criminals??
Panetta the only guy telling the truth. Everyone else is on their 8th version of the KILL mission!

No one supports waterboarding.. but a kill mission.. I like the sound of that.

Whats if liberals start supporting these things? What could YOU really do about it? Nothing except sit there and try to call everyone hypocrites.. well no one cares. Liberals wanted Osama too, deal with it.

SPIKING THE FOOTBALL…

“Obama in NYC for measure of 9/11 closure”

A crass, tasteless, offensive, shameful VICTORY-LAP CAMPAIGN-FOR-RE-ELECTION show from”You Lie!” hussein.

Interesting fact: although “You Lie!” hussein has been in office for more than two (disastrous) years, and the suspected location of osama has been known for months (he’s lived in that compound for more than six years), osama is killed ONLY AFTER “You Lie!” begins his re-election campaign, ensuring maximum campaign publicity.

Anybody wanna buy an “obozo killed osama” tea-shirt? All proceeds go to “You Lie!”‘s re-election campaign.

BTW: “obozo killed the US economy” and “obozo killed US jobs” tee-shirts are NOW ON SALE by Americans who want to TAKE BACK OUR COUNTRY. All proceeds go to restoring America’s greatness.

TeaPartyPatriot said:
SPIKING THE FOOTBALL…

“Obama in NYC for measure of 9/11 closure”

A crass, tasteless, offensive, shameful VICTORY-LAP CAMPAIGN-FOR-RE-ELECTION show from”You Lie!” hussein.

Interesting fact: although “You Lie!” hussein has been in office for more than two (disastrous) years, and the suspected location of osama has been known for months (he’s lived in that compound for more than six years), osama is killed ONLY AFTER “You Lie!” begins his re-election campaign, ensuring maximum campaign publicity.

Anybody wanna buy an “obozo killed osama” tea-shirt? All proceeds go to “You Lie!”’s re-election campaign.

BTW: “obozo killed the US economy” and “obozo killed US jobs” tee-shirts are NOW ON SALE by Americans who want to TAKE BACK OUR COUNTRY. All proceeds go to restoring America’s greatness.

*burp*

*scratches butt*

TeaPartyPatriot said:
SPIKING THE FOOTBALL…

“Obama in NYC for measure of 9/11 closure”

A crass, tasteless, offensive, shameful VICTORY-LAP CAMPAIGN-FOR-RE-ELECTION show from”You Lie!” hussein.

Interesting fact: although “You Lie!” hussein has been in office for more than two (disastrous) years, and the suspected location of osama has been known for months (he’s lived in that compound for more than six years), osama is killed ONLY AFTER “You Lie!” begins his re-election campaign, ensuring maximum campaign publicity.

Anybody wanna buy an “obozo killed osama” tea-shirt? All proceeds go to “You Lie!”’s re-election campaign.

BTW: “obozo killed the US economy” and “obozo killed US jobs” tee-shirts are NOW ON SALE by Americans who want to TAKE BACK OUR COUNTRY. All proceeds go to restoring America’s greatness.

If this were Bush you’d be willing to be his lap dog. I understand why you would be upset and irrational at the thought of a black man, President Barack Obama, being the guy who finally did what he promised he would do and get bin Laden. That is something you are going to have to come to grips with. It’s reality.

Arch said:
There’s a difference between recognizing the trauma of the attack on the occasion of the death of Bin Laden and Rudy’s constant chatter of 9/11. Rudy got that moniker because he earned it. Watch. Obama won’t be talking about this in two weeks.

What ?… You watch, Obama will campaign heavily on it… It’s all he has, what with the economy being so chitty and all… It’s the economy that people will be thinking about a year and a half from now… This whole Bin Laden thing will blow over shortly with the people, but the economy is their life… He will lose because of it, and Obamacare, of course…

Sam M. said:
I understand why you would be upset and irrational at the thought of a black man, President Barack Obama, being the guy who finally did what he promised he would do and get bin Laden.

Will you folks EVER get tired of using this pathetic, useless, and UNTRUTHFUL talking point?

Matt Schneider dug deep and came up with this:
During the last Republican administration, any trip, tribute or mention of 9/11 was often dismissed

Are the facts not “apparent” to you? Is it possible that you actually don’t perceive the difference? REALLY?

In other Matt Schneider reportage -”Johnny didn’t do his homework!” “Mary never eats her peas!” “Sarge is the nicest guy I know!” “The sky IS blue, but that doesn’t mean it isn’t sometimes green, Some say it is and they HAVE A POINT!”

sticks said:
What ?… You watch, Obama will campaign heavily on it… It’s all he has, what with the economy being so chitty and all… It’s the economy that people will be thinking about a year and a half from now… This whole Bin Laden thing will blow over shortly with the people, but the economy is their life… He will lose because of it, and Obamacare, of course…

This is just wishful thinking. He will win in a landslide for at least a couple of reasons. First, his strategy to fight terrorism is nothing short of brilliant. Secondly, the economy is improving and that is what voters are looking for. Finally, there is simply no credible candidate running in the GOP field. Kooks and fringe candidates at best. Hell, even if the economy sucks, he wins in a landslide for that reason alone.

I guess President Barack Obama should have let Bin Laden live. Republicans don’t want to do anything in this country other than give tax breaks for the rich and take peoples rights away. What a loser bunch of people. Some white people cannot get over the fact a Black man is in the white house. Bush had eight years and did nothing but send job overseas and bankrupt the country. He is a loser.
President Barack Obama is a winner.
WINNING!

dbeall said:
Lets get some facts straight. 1) When Bush was elected he had no interest in AlQuaeda – his focus was missile shield , Iraq and China. while Al Quaeda was Clinton’s number 1 priority at that time.2) Bush and Condiliza Rice had no interest in reading intelligence reports about an imminent attack on the USA – Bush spent much of his first months as president cutting Brush on his Texas ranch – too busy to be concerened about Alqueada.3) When Al Quaeda did attack – all Bush wanted to do was find a connection to Iraq. He ordered the person in Charge of Terrorism under four Presidents (Richard Clarke) to “Find a Connection” to Saddam (there were witnesses to that order) – having been told countless times that there was no connection.4) Yes Bush did attack Afghanistan as any President would have done – but unlike any other President he was so anxious to get Saddam that he lost focus on Afghanistan at the very moment Bin Laden was cornered.5) Then because he was such a shallow thinker – he really thought that a) Ignoring the Geneva Convention b) Using Torture and c) detaining with out trial was a way to endear people to America’s cause (cheap oil) – how much dumber can you get.Bush get Credit? you guys are out of your tiny little minds. Bush and Chaney are war criminals who launched an illegal war on Iraq. Now once again smart high calibre people are cleaning up the mess of silly low calibre people. And yes I realise that these facts can not be handled by the many bigots that troll this website. But there may be some fair minded people who are actually interested in the facts.

And any of this addresses the point of the blog post about MSNBC’s glairing double standard HOW???

truthrose1 said:
Some white people cannot get over the fact a Black man is in the white house.

Dsiscokid said:
Will you folks EVER get tired of using this pathetic, useless, and UNTRUTHFUL talking point?

We are you to 2 so far on this thread alone. I’ll set the over/under at 15 by tomorrow…….

typo- “We are up to 2….”

Sam M. said:
I understand why you would be upset and irrational at the thought of a black man, President Barack Obama,

truthrose1 said:
Some white people cannot get over the fact a Black man is in the white house.

Any takers?

The repubs and the wack jobs in the media were running around talking about birth certificates and calling Trump the savior of the country.
How dumb and stupid these people have been.
President Barack Obama is an intelligent Black man that is 100 steps ahead of the moron party.

Snowspot said:
Sometimes.. he wins…always wins. He’s better than anyone on your side, how does that feel? You’re pathetic.. so is your party.. so is your life… oh man, it’s hilarious.

Considering how small that thing is I’m surprised you’re not too embarrassed to stroke it right out here in front of everyone.

dummy123 said:
I am happy that the liberals are celebrating water-boarding and KILL missions.Obama is a amazing but Bush & Cheney were war criminals??Panetta the only guy telling the truth. Everyone else is on their 8th version of the KILL mission!

Hey Dummy123, What “liberals” are “celebrating” is JUSTICE SERVED-and the greatest victory in the WOT-and if you think liberals have a problem with kicking AQ ass come tell it to the Marines, how ’bout the Army? Did you EVER think of how your imbecilic words offend “liberal” service members and their families???? WELL DIDJA??

Dsiscokid said:
Any takers?

There comes a time when you have to look in the mirror and admit to what you are. This is hard, especially for some of you less educated individuals. Nobody likes to admit they are a racist, but if the shoe fits…

Yes the waterboarding worked, for Al Quiada. They had Bush looking in caves for OBL . Damn the Bush Ad was just dumb. Like they were going to tell the US the truth.

Let us hope that tomorrow when Obama meets with the Navy SEALS who are the hero’s of the day, that he doesn’t refer to any of them as:

“corpse man”

And if he does, let us hope that this time the media doesn’t spike the gaffe (as in hide it), not spike the ball, like Obama did today on his victory tour around GZ, so that the little people could thank him.

truthrose1 said:
Some white people cannot get over the fact a Black man is in the white house. Bush had eight years and did nothing but send job overseas and bankrupt the country. He is a loser.
President Barack Obama is a winner.
WINNING!

Wow, the Charlie Sheen constituency backs Obama while the rest of us are racist losers. Why am I not surprised?

let us never forget that moving forward remembering the victims of 9/11 should never again be considered politically exploitative if a Republican is the one suggesting it

This drool makes me almost speechless, “let us never forget” what Matt Schneider had solemnly declared “should never be” -I hope at the least he has a red face while tapping out this butt buss! BTW what did MS write about “MISSION ACCOMPLISHED” ?

TfT said:
Let us hope that tomorrow when Obama meets with the Navy SEALS who are the hero’s of the day, that he doesn’t refer to any of them as:

“corpse man”

And if he does, let us hope that this time the media doesn’t spike the gaffe (as in hide it), not spike the ball, like Obama did today on his victory tour around GZ, so that the little people could thank him.

Again, here we have an individual that is very upset that this president is the one who got bin Laden. I think you might be happier if he had not. And that’s the definition of nuts.

Thanks, Matt, for reporting on a sea change that should been evident to anyone appearing on MSNBC today.

It was nothing short of breathtaking to see such an utter lack of cynicism among journalists who had once questioned every terrorist warning and every 9.11 backdrop as being motivated by the most corrupt of political power mongers.

I’m optimistic about this change. Now that INDIVIDUAL journalists (via a president they hold to be a cultural touchstone and mile marker) can now “own” a sense of “national interest” that is true and sincere (unlike the pandering corporate facsimile we saw for a short time starting on 9.12.01), I think we can actually engage in a rational and realistic discussion of terrorism.

Dear Sam:

You are nothing but a racer; I have been extremely complimentary of Obama for giving the SEALs the go-ahead to conduct the mission.

I don’t know what saying “corpse man” gave you the impression you got….unless of course you are unfamiliar with the gaffe that hehimself made when addressing a Navy corpsman and actually referred to him as a “corpse man”. Of course, the media hid that story, so if you aren’t inclined to learn facts from anyone other than abccbdsnbcmsnbccnnnnytimesetc, then you are ignorant on the fact that Obama called a Navy corpsman a “Navy Corpse Man”.

This is such a bullshit article.
There are 2 pivotal moments of 9/11…when Bin Laden took down the towers and when Obama took down Bin Laden.
No one was complaining when Bush visited for the former and no one should complain when Barack visited for the latter.

This is so obviously just more sour grapes by a petty and jealous right-wing fringe.

TfT said:
Dear Sam:

You are nothing but a racer; I have been extremely complimentary of Obama for giving the SEALs the go-ahead to conduct the mission.

I don’t know what saying “corpse man” gave you the impression you got….unless of course you are unfamiliar with the gaffe that hehimself made when addressing a Navy corpsman and actually referred to him as a “corpse man”. Of course, the media hid that story, so if you aren’t inclined to learn facts from anyone other than abccbdsnbcmsnbccnnnnytimesetc, then you are ignorant on the fact that Obama called a Navy corpsman a “Navy Corpse Man”.

It’s your overall tone. Your bitterness about Obama as president comes through loud and clear; you are an ideologue and it’s nearly impossible to have a rational conversation with an ideologue. The news about bin Laden has sent you and other ideologues over the edge. There is, without a doubt an element of bigotry.

Snowspot said:
No one supports waterboarding.. but a kill mission.. I like the sound of that. Whats if liberals start supporting these things? What could YOU really do about it? Nothing except sit there and try to call everyone hypocrites.. well no one cares. Liberals wanted Osama too, deal with it.

says it all right here

Wow, why am I not surprised? You apparently being an Indianan. I’m sure those apolitical youngsters up there are learning of their own state’s history in civics class; like a former governor on a train and young black girl, and subsequent investigations revealing “unfortunate” associations with a certain infamous racist group and almost the entire administration.

Down south here 87% of white folks voted for McCranky & McStupid, and have no credibility in their 24/7 undermining and smearing an earnest and refreshingly intelligent President who is way too far to the right of his base and even the general electorate. Oh, wait, he’s a Marxist, I forgot – stupid asses.

http://www.therightscoop.com/levin-talks-with-former-special-ops-caller-about-bin-laden-raid/#disqus_thread

Jim R said:
Wow, why am I not surprised? You apparently being an Indianan. I’m sure those apolitical youngsters up there are learning of their own state’s history in civics class; like a former governor on a train and young black girl, and subsequent investigations revealing “unfortunate” associations with a certain infamous racist group and almost the entire administration.

Down south here 87% of white folks voted for McCranky & McStupid, and have no credibility in their 24/7 undermining and smearing an earnest and refreshingly intelligent President who is way too far to the right of his base and even the general electorate. Oh, wait, he’s a Marxist, I forgot – stupid asses.

Looks like you have a lot of pent up rage. All of this namecalling. I hope you don’t have kids or grandkids.

BeckFinallyDemoted said:
This is such a bullshit article.
There are 2 pivotal moments of 9/11…when Bin Laden took down the towers and when Obama took down Bin Laden.
No one was complaining when Bush visited for the former and no one should complain when Barack visited for the latter.

This is so obviously just more sour grapes by a petty and jealous right-wing fringe.

Well, you might try reading the article before expounding for once.

This issue was the use of the imagery for politicizing.

Sam M. said:
It’s your overall tone. Your bitterness about Obama as president comes through loud and clear; you are an ideologue and it’s nearly impossible to have a rational conversation with an ideologue. The news about bin Laden has sent you and other ideologues over the edge. There is, without a doubt an element of bigotry.

I’d be inclined to think that going “over edge” would be better illustrated by accusing an Obama critic of being nuts and extremist simply for making a joke about a past presidential gaff.

tatboy said:
And any of this addresses the point of the blog post about MSNBC’s glairing double standard HOW???

It explains why there is in fact no double standard. Obama is simply cleaning up the mess left by Bush. There fore the media should react differently depending on the President and the manner is which the job was excuted. Even if Bush had gotten Osama – the point is that any success Osama had was simply a function of Bushes incompetence. The reasons for the explosion of Terrorism should be explored – and the answers are not that difficult to find. Alqueada was not a focus of Bush and he confirmed that in various interviews back in 2002. Bin laden was an OIl family – Bush were oilmen – it is tough to get worked up against “an old ally”
For child hood reasons Bush’s whole Presidency was about one thing only. How can I out do my Dad? All because Bush Junior has a well earned inferiority complex. Freud would have had a field day – but sadly this family drama has set back the USA by eight years at a time whne world events are moving a lightning speed.

dbeall said:
It explains why there is in fact no double standard. Obama is simply cleaning up the mess left by Bush. There fore the media should react differently depending on the President and the manner is which the job was excuted. Even if Bush had gotten Osama – the point is that any success Osama had was simply a function of Bushes incompetence. The reasons for the explosion of Terrorism should be explored – and the answers are not that difficult to find. Alqueada was not a focus of Bush and he confirmed that in various interviews back in 2002. Bin laden was an OIl family – Bush were oilmen – it is tough to get worked up against “an old ally”For child hood reasons Bush’s whole Presidency was about one thing only. How can I out do my Dad? All because Bush Junior has a well earned inferiority complex. Freud would have had a field day – but sadly this family drama has set back the USA by eight years at a time whne world events are moving a lightning speed.

That was a whole lot of useless non-sense. You want to justify MSNBC’s being total tools feel free.

dear mediaite editors—-

you do realize that bush used 9.11 as a pretext to unnecessarily invade two different countries, kill a million innocent people, divide an already fractious country, AND bankrupt the treasury, right?

i don’t see what these symbolic visits to ground zero have to do with anything substantive.

Are we supposed to be surprised that the MSNBC staff has its collective nose up Obama’s asshole? Only the professional liars of the Left will deny it.

oh, and illegally spy and torture as well….

and detain innocent people as well….

why are the editors at mediate so concerned about preserving bush’s awful legacy?

(just curious)

Azarkhan said:
Are we supposed to be surprised that the MSNBC staff has its collective nose up Obama’s asshole? Only the professional liars of the Left will deny it.

Are we supposed to be surprised that you have your nose up Limbaugh’s asshole and eat there on a daily basis? This is just pathetic. Come on, grow up or maybe grow a pair is more accurate.

mmars said:
This is not a news organization. It is an extension of the Democratic party. There is not one iota of journalism taking place. They are given their narrative from the white house throughout the day.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8JddGqBBYYM

The Obama administration has floated a transportation authorization bill that would require the study and implementation of a plan to tax automobile drivers based on how many miles they drive.

The plan is a part of the administration’s Transportation Opportunities Act, an undated draft of which was obtained this week by Transportation Weekly.

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/159397-obama-floats-plan-to-tax-cars-by-the-mile

Amazing what the word “opportunity” means to Democratic swine. Opportunity to tax.

Azarkhan said:
The Obama administration has floated a transportation authorization bill that would require the study and implementation of a plan to tax automobile drivers based on how many miles they drive.

The plan is a part of the administration’s Transportation Opportunities Act, an undated draft of which was obtained this week by Transportation Weekly.

http://thehill.com/blogs/floor-action/house/159397-obama-floats-plan-to-tax-cars-by-the-mile

Amazing what the word “opportunity” means to Democratic swine. Opportunity to tax.

This is false. Unfortunately you either didn’t or couldn’t read the entire article.

How soon you forget how the rabid mad dogs of Fox News crowed about 9/11 and Bush 24/7 for years.

darladoon said:
oh, and illegally spy and torture as well….

darladoon said:
and detain innocent people as well….

darladoon said:
why are the editors at mediate so concerned about preserving bush’s awful legacy? (just curious)

Can you name me the major policy shifts that have happened in the last 2 years.

Brought to you by the Dept of Education, the NEA and the Michigan Education Association:

According to a new report, 47 percent of Detroiters are ”functionally illiterate.” The alarming new statistics were released by the Detroit Regional Workforce Fund on Wednesday.

WWJ Newsradio 950 spoke with the Fund’s Director, Karen Tyler-Ruiz, who explained exactly what this means.

“Not able to fill out basic forms, for getting a job — those types of basic everyday (things). Reading a prescription; what’s on the bottle, how many you should take… just your basic everyday tasks,” she said.

“I don’t really know how they get by, but they do. Are they getting by well? Well, that’s another question,” Tyler-Ruiz said.

Per pupil spending in Detroit as of 2008 was $13,000, which is higher than some people pay for private schooling in other parts of the country.

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/05/05/reading-not-all-the-rage-in-detroit/

ah yes Sam, I understand — you are a liberal who just makes up stuff about people and think its fact. Stop projecting your bigotry onto me.

Azarkhan said:
Brought to you by the Dept of Education, the NEA and the Michigan Education Association:

According to a new report, 47 percent of Detroiters are ”functionally illiterate.” The alarming new statistics were released by the Detroit Regional Workforce Fund on Wednesday.

WWJ Newsradio 950 spoke with the Fund’s Director, Karen Tyler-Ruiz, who explained exactly what this means.

“Not able to fill out basic forms, for getting a job — those types of basic everyday (things). Reading a prescription; what’s on the bottle, how many you should take… just your basic everyday tasks,” she said.

“I don’t really know how they get by, but they do. Are they getting by well? Well, that’s another question,” Tyler-Ruiz said.

Per pupil spending in Detroit as of 2008 was $13,000, which is higher than some people pay for private schooling in other parts of the country.

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/05/05/reading-not-all-the-rage-in-detroit/

Again this is false – you really need to start reading the entire article otherwise you risk making a fool of your self.

Oh Mediaite … false equivalency much? MSNBC would only be hypocritical if Bush had also killed bin Laden. Bush, Giuliani et al, were exploiting Americans’ fear while bizarrely holding themselves up as terriorist warriors when they hadn’t done squat.

Obama (whom I suspect would also be damned if he didn’t pay tribute at ground zero) was rightfully acknowleding a monumental occasion. An evil vanquished and closure for the victims. The logic that MSNBC should give both the same treatment because both involve 9/11 shows a superficial understanding of news, politics and context. Typical Mediaite. I’m beginning to think your reporters are all teenagers.

AGGGGGGG. Of course there is a political element to this visit. But it is also the right thing to DO ! I just dont get it anymore. Heres a news flash for all you wingnuts, In 1863 after the worst battle in american history(Gettysburg) Abraham Lincoln went to Gettysburg to give his world famous Gettysburg address. Should he have stayed home and not given this address ? What the hell do you people want? If Obama goes hes being political, If he stays away hes being aloof and uncaring, this is just crazy! Do you not think there was a political element to Lincolns visit to Gettysburg? Of course there was but again it was the right thing to freaking DO !

WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The number of Americans filing for jobless aid rose to an eight-month high last week and productivity growth slowed in the first quarter, clouding the outlook for an economy that is struggling to gain speed.

While the surprise jump in initial claims for unemployment benefits was blamed on factors ranging from spring break layoffs to the introduction of an emergency benefits program, economists said it corroborated reports this week indicating a loss of momentum in job creation.

New claims for state jobless benefits rose 43,000 to 474,000, the highest since mid-August, the Labor Department said on Thursday. Economists had expected claims to fall.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/New-jobless-claims-jump-to-rb-1852891451.html?x=0&.v=1

Uh-oh…2012 lookin a lil shakey for Mistah Obama.

dandelion28 said:
Obama (whom I suspect would also be damned if he didn’t pay tribute at ground zero) was rightfully acknowleding a monumental occasion.

It would go something like this; “Obama gave his address to the nation then he just disappeared.The fact that he didn’t go to the wreath-layng ceremony to comfort the families shows that he’s just an incompetent worthless political hack! Disgrace!”

Azarkhan said:
WASHINGTON (Reuters) – The number of Americans filing for jobless aid rose to an eight-month high last week and productivity growth slowed in the first quarter, clouding the outlook for an economy that is struggling to gain speed.

While the surprise jump in initial claims for unemployment benefits was blamed on factors ranging from spring break layoffs to the introduction of an emergency benefits program, economists said it corroborated reports this week indicating a loss of momentum in job creation.

New claims for state jobless benefits rose 43,000 to 474,000, the highest since mid-August, the Labor Department said on Thursday. Economists had expected claims to fall.

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/New-jobless-claims-jump-to-rb-1852891451.html?x=0&.v=1

Uh-oh…2012 lookin a lil shakey for Mistah Obama.

Yet again, this is false. Here we have an ideologue who is only interesting in spreading lies and disinformation. Nice try though.

Sam M. said:
Yet again, this is false. Here we have an ideologue who is only interesting in spreading lies and disinformation. Nice try though.

what the truth sam, hell even yahoo lies now

tell us the truth sam

darladoon said:
dear mediaite editors—- you do realize that bush used 9.11 as a pretext to unnecessarily invade two different countries, kill a million innocent people, divide an already fractious country, AND bankrupt the treasury, right? i don’t see what these symbolic visits to ground zero have to do with anything substantive.

How freaking stupid are you darla? Bush killed a million innocent people? Where? What freaking Country?
Do you know how to read.? Your hypocricy is pointed out to you guys in the article you are arguing about and then you go prove that not only are you a hyprocrite, but stupid as a rock.

I would bet you’re under 25 (God I hope so) – hate to think you’re older than that and still dumb.

Sam M. said:
Nobody likes to admit they are a racist, but if the shoe fits…

….I believe you are wearing a brand new pair of Air Racers
If you disagree with the President on policy, that makes people “racists”
a cheap, factually incorrect statement on your part

National Public Radio (NPR) is paying the lobbying firm Bracy, Tucker, Brown & Valanzano to defend its taxpayer funding stream in Congress, according to lobbying disclosure forms filed with the Secretary of the Senate. The taxpayer-funded radio network hired the firm in the second quarter of 2011 to work on issues regarding “funding for NPR and affiliate stations.”

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/05/05/npr-hires-firm-to-lobby-for-its-taxpayer-funding/#ixzz1LWoXXmhi

Gee, I thought they didn’t need our tax money. After all, didn’t former National Public Radio executive Ron Schiller say that NPR would not only survive an end in federal funding but “be better off in the long run”, since it is such a small amount?

seek said:
Bush killed a million innocent people?

I haven’t seen the photo. It’s to “gruesome” for the American people to see……”Trust us, take our word for it. We’d NEVER lie to the American people”

ALL HAIL GEORGE W. OBAMA THE 3RD!!!

cjd ohio 1 said:
tell us the truth sam

tell us the truth sam

tell us the truth sam.

tell us the truth sam.

Sorry guys, Sam saw the truth, hit him in the face like a 2×4 and he’s sleeping it off. I’ll tell him you called.

The hypocrisy is definitely head splitting… As I said elsewhere I have no problem with obama visiting Ground Zero. However, the gesture would have been better received and viewed as both solemn and celebratory if ALL the families of victims had been invited. After all it was their justice that had been served.
“Invite Only” seemed to imply that some were more a ‘victim’ than others.

911 defined much of Bush’s presidency from restructuring national security to how we use the internet. That much is undebatable, so is the fact that many on the Left took issue with everything he did no matter what the outcome or the success, it was all viewed through a veil of hate and bias.
Is this Obama’s first visit to Ground Zero?- I can’t seem to find another, which speaks volumes… and so does the fact that he would not concede that building a mosque, oops sorry, Islamic Community Center was in bad form not to mention a horrible slap in the face to those who perished there. Where was his outrage at the lack of Muslim compassion and sensitivity (his favorite adjective) when it came to the feelings of Americans, you know that same ‘respect’ he is hiding behind as an excuse to not publish Usama’s death photo.

mlb said:
As I said elsewhere

Where?

Noron O’Donnell is such a stupid hack.

Partisans appealing to partisans….shocking stuff I tell ya.

While I understand the implication of the post title, I’m not seeing any specific examples of a “different standard” in regards to a Presidential visit to Ground Zero. There is a reference to Giuliani’s campaign and a general impression of how someone at MSNBC may have treated the previous administration, but there’s nothing concrete.

Without spending a lot of time or expending any effort, the easiest and closest comparable example that I can find is a segment from “Nightly” that aired on September 10th, 2006. John Seigenthaler was anchoring the broadcast, the President and Mrs. Bush laid a wreath in solemn memorial and though the rest of David Gregory’s report was a preview for a speech about Iraq to air the following night, the actual Ground Zero part doesn’t seem to contain a lot of politics.

Of course this was “Nightly” and not MSNBC, but it’s more than a general feeling or an impression from memory and unlike the dismissals toward Mr Giuliani, it actually involves a sitting President.

As for the split-screen nonsense. I don’t know this Murray fellow’s credentials and he has a right to make a prediction, but clearly he was wrong.

^Whoops! I spent five minutes looking for and watching a clip, then forgot to link.^

You’ll never convince me that B. Hussein Obama is exploiting 9/11 or Ground Zero for political points. Never. B. Husein Obama is the very definition of class and dignity.

WCinWI said:
http://www.therightscoop.com/levin-talks-with-former-special-ops-caller-about-bin-laden-raid/#disqus_thread

Very interesting. What if it has a grain of truth?
Ahh a whole new kettle of fish.

Sam M. said:
It’s your overall tone. Your bitterness about Obama as president comes through loud and clear; you are an ideologue and it’s nearly impossible to have a rational conversation with an ideologue. The news about bin Laden has sent you and other ideologues over the edge. There is, without a doubt an element of bigotry.

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Says the Mediaite Ideologue Poster Boy with a straight face.

Physician heal thyself!

Magister said:
Without spending a lot of time or expending any effort, the easiest and closest comparable example that I can find is a segment from “Nightly” that aired on September 10th, 2006.

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Magister, google that and just look at Countdown.

I think you’ll find that KO did one or two Speshul Komments in addition to his constant carping.

Giant Forehead said:
Where?

On another thread here on Mediaite.

Sam M. said:
This is just wishful thinking. He will win in a landslide for at least a couple of reasons. First, his strategy to fight terrorism is nothing short of brilliant. Secondly, the economy is improving and that is what voters are looking for. Finally, there is simply no credible candidate running in the GOP field. Kooks and fringe candidates at best. Hell, even if the economy sucks, he wins in a landslide for that reason alone.

His strategy to fight terrorism !?… His strategy to fight terrorism !?… Good God, you’ve lost your marbles !!!… He has made one right decision among a whole host of wrong ones, regaurding terrorism… It won’t be enough to re-elect him… And the economy will not have recovered enough by 2012 to help him either, some say it will get worse… You add the price of gas and Obamacare to this big fat hot mess and his odds don’t seem all that good to me…

Perhaps the MSNBC crew didn’t harp on Obama’s “exploitation” of Ground Zero because not every sentence out of his mouth has included the numbers “9/11,” or because he hasn’t used 9/11 as a justification to start useless and immoral wars.

Just a thought.

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I’m puzzling just how enamoured the entire MSM, most notably MSNBC are with this pussy, Barack Obama, in our White House for the past 21/2 years. Especially considering they’d spent the preceeding eight years letting the world know just how much they hated bush. Go figure with these fickle libs.

Norah O’Donnell is paid by MSNBC, and in exchange, she services the needs of the Democratic Party.

Let’s see, a woman paid for servicing the needs of others…isn’t there a word for that? LOL

Barack Must Go said:
I’m puzzling just how enamoured the entire MSM, most notably MSNBC are with this pussy, Barack Obama, in our White House for the past 21/2 years. Especially considering they’d spent the preceeding eight years letting the world know just how much they hated bush. Go figure with these fickle libs.

Out of a small library of thickheaded responses from your keyboard, this one might be the thickest.

In MSNBC’s eyes (and mine, incidentally) Bush is arguably the worst president since Herbert Hoover (some would go all the way back to Buchanan); he is arrogant, intellectually lazy, smarmy, vicious, tone-deaf, murderous, unethical, phony, an ungenerous braggart, and a war criminal who should be standing in chains in the dock at the Hague. He was barely able to say “good morning” without swallowing his tongue, and took a nap at the back of the store for 8 years while the country was being stolen by his masters.

I could go on.

Obama is one of the smartest presidents in memory, a world-class orator who inherited an economy in freefall and has helped prevent collapse of the world economy by measured and careful intervention. He has passed game-changing legislation that has put us on the road to fixing our broken healthcare funding system, and the chief criticism of him is that he has tried so hard to reach compromise with rightwing wreckers that he has compromised implementation of a center-left agenda that most Americans support.

How is it possible that you’re puzzled?

Grammie said:
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Magister, google that and just look at Countdown.

I think you’ll find that KO did one or two Speshul Komments in addition to his constant carping.

Olbermann may have filed one of his rants, but it needed to be in the post and somewhere around the embed, Matt would have had addressed how it related to Norah O’Donnell.

Otherwise, it’s a lot like me saying that I believe Glenn Beck said something once, a few years ago and attributing my impression to the entirety of Fox News or if I tried to hold Kyra Phillips responsible for something Lou Dobbs said.

sticks said:
His strategy to fight terrorism !?… His strategy to fight terrorism !?… Good God, you’ve lost your marbles !!!… He has made one right decision among a whole host of wrong ones, regaurding terrorism… It won’t be enough to re-elect him… And the economy will not have recovered enough by 2012 to help him either, some say it will get worse… You add the price of gas and Obamacare to this big fat hot mess and his odds don’t seem all that good to me…

I’ll be the first to admit that Obama doesn’t obsess over terrorism and hand the terrorists an easy win by deforming the whole of his administration by attempting to make war on a tactic, as Bush pretended to do (when he was interested). But a host of wrong decisions on terrorism? Such as?

On the other hand, you’re probably correct that Obama will lose if the economy is still in the tank — which it might well be — round about election time.

We’ll see. Health care reform is, in actual fact, quite popular, despite rightwingers’ attempts to demonize it. And the original poster is correct: the Republican presidential field is a freakshow (horrorshow if you’re a serious ‘Lican leader). If Romney or Pawlenty prevail in the primary process (or someone putatively out of the race like Chris Christie or even Jeb Bush end up the nominee), they could give Obama a run for his money.

However, running on the “I’m not batshit insane” platform is not exactly the strongest position.

blockquote cite=”comment-448776″>mediadoubt said:
I’ll be the first to admit that Obama doesn’t obsess over terrorism and hand the terrorists an easy win by deforming the whole of his administration by attempting to make war on a tactic, as Bush pretended to do (when he was interested). But a host of wrong decisions on terrorism? Such as?

Well Obama wanted to shut down Gitmo, suspend intel-gathering investigations, they have released a number of detainees who have been tracked back to rejoining the terrorist groups, and they had the daft idea of trying terrorists in U.S. civil courts.

I’m a little confused about the conflicting impressions from some others on Bush and the WOT. On one hand he has been accused of being apathetic and not caring about terrorism at all, and on the other he is demonized because of GitMo and all the terrorists he has caught and “tortured”.

mediadoubt said:
I’ll be the first to admit that Obama doesn’t obsess over terrorism and hand the terrorists an easy win by deforming the whole of his administration by attempting to make war on a tactic, as Bush pretended to do (when he was interested). But a host of wrong decisions on terrorism? Such as? On the other hand, you’re probably correct that Obama will lose if the economy is still in the tank — which it might well be — round about election time. We’ll see. Health care reform is, in actual fact, quite popular, despite rightwingers’ attempts to demonize it. And the original poster is correct: the Republican presidential field is a freakshow (horrorshow if you’re a serious ‘Lican leader). If Romney or Pawlenty prevail in the primary process (or someone putatively out of the race like Chris Christie or even Jeb Bush end up the nominee), they could give Obama a run for his money. However, running on the “I’m not batshit insane” platform is not exactly the strongest position.

Somewhere in one of your ‘enlightening’ posts you stated that Obama is the smartest president ever. At that point you lost me. That is the most nonsensical statement you have made yet, and you’ve made a ton of them.

Healthcare reform – is what the right is calling for. The abomination the left attempted to put through in the dead of night, with nobody and I mean nobody having read it, is beyond crazy. In fact, to borrow your profound statement “batshit insane”. The whole damn Country should have cried foul when Nancy stated “…we’ll have to pass to know what’s in it” (can’t remember her exact brilliant comment – too stunned at the time).

What kind of idiots pass something that could affect their entire lives and don’t know what the hell is in it? Oh yes the “brilliant” Pres. (he didn’t know what the hell was in it either – still doesn’t).

What do you think would have happened if the Bush Admin. had tried an insane stunt like that? You guys – who had no clue how it would affect you, the Country, the next generation just closed your eyes and let it pass. Does not speak highly of the intelligence of the lot of you.

MartiniShark said:
blockquote cite=”comment-448776″>mediadoubt said:
I’ll be the first to admit that Obama doesn’t obsess over terrorism and hand the terrorists an easy win by deforming the whole of his administration by attempting to make war on a tactic, as Bush pretended to do (when he was interested). But a host of wrong decisions on terrorism? Such as?

Well Obama wanted to shut down Gitmo, suspend intel-gathering investigations, they have released a number of detainees who have been tracked back to rejoining the terrorist groups, and they had the daft idea of trying terrorists in U.S. civil courts.

I’m a little confused about the conflicting impressions from some others on Bush and the WOT. On one hand he has been accused of being apathetic and not caring about terrorism at all, and on the other he is demonized because of GitMo and all the terrorists he has caught and “tortured”.

The mistake with Gitmo is to not have shut it down. Every day it remains open it serves as a recruiting ad for terrorist groups. There are plenty of legal places to hold terrorist suspects. And to process them, rather than hold onto them forever, which is clearly unjust. And injustice does America no good in the long run.

On another point, the evidence is that Obama has authorized the *correct* intel-gathering investigations, wouldn’t you say? And studying the notion of trying terrorist suspects in US courts is anything but daft. It worked on Omar Abdel Rahman. It worked on Timothy McVeigh.

With regard to Bush’s War on Tactic, he was, in fact, inconsistent in its application, especially as the Iraq quagmire got deeper and stickier. I’d say he got tired of the stink of failure, and it eroded his resolve. You may have noticed that he sleepwalked through the last two years of his term.

seek said:
Somewhere in one of your ‘enlightening’ posts you stated that Obama is the smartest president ever. At that point you lost me. That is the most nonsensical statement you have made yet, and you’ve made a ton of them.

Healthcare reform – is what the right is calling for. The abomination the left attempted to put through in the dead of night, with nobody and I mean nobody having read it, is beyond crazy. In fact, to borrow your profound statement “batshit insane”. The whole damn Country should have cried foul when Nancy stated “…we’ll have to pass to know what’s in it” (can’t remember her exact brilliant comment – too stunned at the time).

What kind of idiots pass something that could affect their entire lives and don’t know what the hell is in it? Oh yes the “brilliant” Pres. (he didn’t know what the hell was in it either – still doesn’t).

What do you think would have happened if the Bush Admin. had tried an insane stunt like that? You guys – who had no clue how it would affect you, the Country, the next generation just closed your eyes and let it pass. Does not speak highly of the intelligence of the lot of you.

Fact-free post. You even quoted me incorrectly. I said Obama is “one of the smartest,” and I stand by that statement.

The healthcare reform you say the right is calling for — the Ryan model, right? — is in actual fact a massive transfer of tax dollars to private insurance companies who are already robbing the country blind, and have been doing so for decades. Meanwhile, under Ryan’s plan the quality of care offered to people who really need it would plummet to third-world levels.

You guys are opposed to “income redistribution,” right? I take it that it’s OK with you if the income is redistributed from the pockets of the citizenry to insurance ghouls who already have nearly bankrupted the country. The Ryan plan is evil, stupid, and bought and paid for by the insurance industry — and won’t ever be adopted.

The content of the bill was much more generally understood that a thousand other bills Republicans voted on without even having their staffs read them, solely because they were ordered to do so by their leadership. Yes, the final form of the bill was put together with reduced tolerance for the unconscionable procedural delays the Republicans had been causing for the months and months that the plan was hammered out. To say they didn’t know what was in the bill — meaning they couldn’t recite the whole text from memory — was a bald-faced lie.

And I don’t have to “imagine” what it would have looked like if Bush had tried an insane stunt — nearly every day of his presidency witnessed one outrage or the other, only the worst of which was a pair of wicked and foolish wars that have cost us more than healthcare reform ever will.

mediadoubt said:
Fact-free post. You even quoted me incorrectly. I said Obama is “one of the smartest,” and I stand by that statement.

The healthcare reform you say the right is calling for — the Ryan model, right? — is in actual fact a massive transfer of tax dollars to private insurance companies who are already robbing the country blind, and have been doing so for decades. Meanwhile, under Ryan’s plan the quality of care offered to people who really need it would plummet to third-world levels.

You guys are opposed to “income redistribution,” right? I take it that it’s OK with you if the income is redistributed from the pockets of the citizenry to insurance ghouls who already have nearly bankrupted the country. The Ryan plan is evil, stupid, and bought and paid for by the insurance industry — and won’t ever be adopted.

The content of the bill was much more generally understood that a thousand other bills Republicans voted on without even having their staffs read them, solely because they were ordered to do so by their leadership. Yes, the final form of the bill was put together with reduced tolerance for the unconscionable procedural delays the Republicans had been causing for the months and months that the plan was hammered out. To say they didn’t know what was in the bill — meaning they couldn’t recite the whole text from memory — was a bald-faced lie.

And I don’t have to “imagine” what it would have looked like if Bush had tried an insane stunt — nearly every day of his presidency witnessed one outrage or the other, only the worst of which was a pair of wicked and foolish wars that have cost us more than healthcare reform ever will.

1) Show me proof of Obama’s intellect before making such a broad statement- grades, SAT, LSAT scores- then you have a leg to stand on. “Speaking” well does not intellect make.

2) Approving a military operation to kill bin Laden is not the same as having a “policy” regarding terrorism.

3) Obama’s “healthcare plan,” unread by the supposed legislators who voted for it, is going to bankrupt the country and make medical care more expensive. Who DID write that damn bill? Obviously, pre-written before Obama took office.

4) The WH handling of the aftermath of the operation to kill Osama bin Laden has been a clusterf**k. They are leaking information that probably should not be leaked and cannot get their story straight.

Obama and his minions are incompetent and have put our country in danger economically and on the world stage.

mlb said:
the Left took issue with everything he did no matter what the outcome or the success, it was all viewed through a veil of hate and bias.

I’m always curious when I hear the right accuse liberals of “hate.” It implies a visceral, irrational reaction based on prejudice. I’m sure that’s true for some of Bush’s critics, but are you suggesting that he was unpopular because people hated him? I’d have to say from experience that he was unpopular because of the stuff he did. You guys seem to forget the cause-and-effect rule with Bush. Then again you also think Obama is out to purposely destroy America. Any reason for that?

TillieGlockenspiel said:
1) Show me proof of Obama’s intellect before making such a broad statement- grades, SAT, LSAT scores- then you have a leg to stand on. “Speaking” well does not intellect make.

2) Approving a military operation to kill bin Laden is not the same as having a “policy” regarding terrorism.

3) Obama’s “healthcare plan,” unread by the supposed legislators who voted for it, is going to bankrupt the country and make medical care more expensive. Who DID write that damn bill? Obviously, pre-written before Obama took office.

4) The WH handling of the aftermath of the operation to kill Osama bin Laden has been a clusterf**k. They are leaking information that probably should not be leaked and cannot get their story straight.

Obama and his minions are incompetent and have put our country in danger economically and on the world stage.

Fact-freeness runs amuck tonight.

1) Actually, speaking well does an intellect make. So does being editor of the law review. And heading up a successful presidential campaign after only a couple of years in national politics. etc., etc., etc.

2) He stated “as policy” that he would pursue Bin Laden. He has also discussed countless times winning hearts and minds in the Islamic world as a means to reduce the generation of new terrorists. You may not like such policies, but they are policies nonetheless.

3) The healthcare bill is highly imperfect. It needed a public option and a clearer path to single payer, as well as poison pills to begin pushing for-profit insurance companies out of the market. But Social Security was far from perfect when the first enabling laws were passed. It had to be worked over time. The same is true of healthcare reform. And analysis (as opposed to hysteria) suggests that it will not in fact bankrupt the country.

4) Information leaks and “getting their story straight” is a red herring. Yes, the second-to-second after action report has changed a bit as the guys on the ground were debriefed in more detail, but the story that’s emerging is not materially different from what was initially released. Bogus complaint.

mediadoubt said:
The mistake with Gitmo is to not have shut it down. Every day it remains open it serves as a recruiting ad for terrorist groups. There are plenty of legal places to hold terrorist suspects. And to process them, rather than hold onto them forever, which is clearly unjust. And injustice does America no good in the long run. On another point, the evidence is that Obama has authorized the *correct* intel-gathering investigations, wouldn’t you say? And studying the notion of trying terrorist suspects in US courts is anything but daft. It worked on Omar Abdel Rahman. It worked on Timothy McVeigh. With regard to Bush’s War on Tactic, he was, in fact, inconsistent in its application, especially as the Iraq quagmire got deeper and stickier. I’d say he got tired of the stink of failure, and it eroded his resolve. You may have noticed that he sleepwalked through the last two years of his term.

I’d say Bush’s overseas efforts were severely hampered by a congress that turned its back on him. After voting to go into conflict at a overwhelming majority the Dems then did all they could to impede progress.

And what is this “correct” intel gathering Obama has done? The intel they gathered to reach OBL began 4 years back with interrogations of KSM.

I really tire of this canard that the terrorists are all enraged with us because of Gitmo. if you peer back on history you will come across numerous accounts of terrorist attacks on the US well before Gitmo was employed, from embassy bombings, the Marine barracks, the USS Cole, and yes, 9/11 preceded Gitmo. They hate us for being us, not our subsequent actions to their terrorist attacks. That is just as farcical as the concept that releasing the OBL death photos might enrage them. I suppose killing OBL did not set them off, but the pix would just tear it.

And trying foreign national terrorists in the US courts system is beyond ridiculous. As soon as they lawyer up they will also shut up, with no more intel to be gathered from them. And why exactly woyuld you grant a foreigner – bent on destroying the US – all the protections afforded by the US courts? McVeigh was a US citizen, ergo right to a fair trial. The terrorists want to wipe out our entire system, yet you want them protected by that system, and the Bill of Rights which they despise? The reason we hold them in Gitmo is that we are dealing with enemy combatants on a foreign soil. (i.e., a Saudi attacking US troops in Iraq). Would you send them to Saudi Arabia? As we saw with OBL, they wanted nothing to do with him. They cannot be tried in Iraq because they were captured under a now diposed regime.

Holding them is for our protection, and the info gleaned from them is invaluable. They do not come away with a newfound appreciation of America when treated with kid gloves.These are killers bent on wiping us out, and who have gone right back into practice once released.

Is Matt Schineder aware that MSNBC shows the 911 footage as it happened every day on 911 for the past few years. Are you trying to say that MSNBC shows 3 hours of 911 footage every year so they can dismiss the footage they just showed as a “Republican using it for political gain”?

I don’t recall Keith Olbermann coming on after the 3 hour special saying, “What you have just witnessed is so obviously a political stunt perpetrated by my own network in order to get Rudy Giuliani elected and as of this very moment I quit!”

BeckFinallyDemoted said:
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What a douche bag.

MartiniShark said:
I’d say Bush’s overseas efforts were severely hampered by a congress that turned its back on him. After voting to go into conflict at a overwhelming majority the Dems then did all they could to impede progress.

And what is this “correct” intel gathering Obama has done? The intel they gathered to reach OBL began 4 years back with interrogations of KSM.

I really tire of this canard that the terrorists are all enraged with us because of Gitmo. if you peer back on history you will come across numerous accounts of terrorist attacks on the US well before Gitmo was employed, from embassy bombings, the Marine barracks, the USS Cole, and yes, 9/11 preceded Gitmo. They hate us for being us, not our subsequent actions to their terrorist attacks. That is just as farcical as the concept that releasing the OBL death photos might enrage them. I suppose killing OBL did not set them off, but the pix would just tear it.

And trying foreign national terrorists in the US courts system is beyond ridiculous. As soon as they lawyer up they will also shut up, with no more intel to be gathered from them. And why exactly woyuld you grant a foreigner – bent on destroying the US – all the protections afforded by the US courts? McVeigh was a US citizen, ergo right to a fair trial. The terrorists want to wipe out our entire system, yet you want them protected by that system, and the Bill of Rights which they despise? The reason we hold them in Gitmo is that we are dealing with enemy combatants on a foreign soil. (i.e., a Saudi attacking US troops in Iraq). Would you send them to Saudi Arabia? As we saw with OBL, they wanted nothing to do with him. They cannot be tried in Iraq because they were captured under a now diposed regime.

Holding them is for our protection, and the info gleaned from them is invaluable. They do not come away with a newfound appreciation of America when treated with kid gloves.These are killers bent on wiping us out, and who have gone right back into practice once released.

1) Congress turned its back on Bush? Admittedly, after Congress gave the keys to the family tank to Bush (not Dems’ finest hour) he never looked back. And just to increase the factiness of this discussion, the authorization was for Bush to continue seeking nonmilitary means with a credible threat of military intervention to induce the change in behavior he desired. He leapfrogged over all of that and came down on Iraq with both feet (not his own, of course, but those of the hundreds of thousands of US service members he dispatched to hell). When Congress realized they’d been rolled, they began to bitch, but there was no substantial impediment to Bush’s ham-handed warmongering they could offer. In summary, Bush got everything he wanted for 5 years, achieved no positive outcomes (unless you think Saddam Hussein’s death was worth $1.3 trillion), killed tens of thousands, and set the US on the road to bankruptcy. And then he lost interest in the last two years of his presidency because it just bummed him out and he wanted out of the job of presidentin’. Heckuva job, Bushie!

2) Correct intel gathering because it really did take this long to develop enough intel to stage an effective raid. You really think they had what they needed to get Bin Laden based on the fantastic bullshit KSM was spewing under torture? No. The pursuit (“correct intel gathering”) continued up to last week — at the direction of Obama.

3) Growing new terrorists. Canard is the operative word. The terrorists hate us less for what we are than for what we do. We support the “moderate” Arab governments who interfere with their religious insanity, and not incidentally kill and imprison them regularly; we help keep them in poverty because our approach to economic development works and theirs doesn’t; we resist their deep desires to turn the clock back to the 6th century; we corrupt their young because the ubiquitous nature of Western media makes it seem like we’re having much more fun; we don’t respect their twisted version of Islam as having the only answers for mankind, and in fact have people in our countries who believe in no god at all, and we don’t kill them; we wander around their holy places unawed; and worst of all, we don’t take them seriously unless they’re flying planes into our buildings. From my point of view (yours too, I suspect) these people are crazy, and not in a good way.

Which doesn’t relieve us of the responsibility of dealing with the issue in a sensible way that doesn’t make things worse. Terrorist groups have to recruit continuously, because the rewards of being a terrorist are pretty paltry, and followers fall away, get arrested, blow themselves up, etc. Groups recruit from among the ranks of the disaffected and the ardent. Some of those recruits are well traveled university grads, but a larger proportion are the no-hopers of their respective populations who desperately seek something — anything — to hold their lives together. And Guantanamo is an excellent unifying totem (so are Lady Gaga and our cozy relationships with King Abdullah of Saudi Arabia). Hornets are potentially dangerous, but can generally be managed. Kicking over their nest — knowing that you can’t kill them all — is just asking to get stung. Again, why make things worse unnecessarily?

Additionally, we do ourselves no favor when we compromise the principles that we value most: justice, fairness, rule of law, respect for human dignity. Those are prices I’m not willing to pay for mostly ineffective “protection” from terrorism, especially when abandoning them is simply not necessary.

4) In the case of persons accused of violating our laws, citizenship, by long-established precedent, is largely irrelevant. Calling them “enemy combatants” is legalistic nonsense and everyone knows it. One of the biggest hits Obama has taken from his natural base among the center-left is to have kept Guantanamo running in contravention to international law, the Geneva Convention, and natural justice. Terrorists are criminals on steroids, not soldiers of a foreign power. And as we know, only a fraction of the prisoners at Guantanamo were captured from anywhere remotely resembling a battlefield — unless you define every square inch of the planet as a battlefield — and hence even stretching the combatant label to them doesn’t apply to a majority of the detainees. Most of whom offer no intelligence value whatsoever. And it’s flatly unjust, which is, as I’ve said before, a heavy cost to pay.

Perhaps they don’t come away with a newfound appreciation for American because we’ve held them like dogs in a kennel for most of a decade with no hope of ever seeing freedom again. Plus torture now and again. That’ll definitely warp your thinking, but not in a direction we’d prefer.

What would I do with Guantanamo inmates? I’d move them out of Guantanamo, try them individually (military tribunals, while strictly speaking illegal, might be the most practical way), and imprison them in stateside facilities or hand them over to their respective governments (whether those governments want them or not). Some will undoubtedly rejoin terrorist organizations, many more will try to build some sort of life again, most will descend into petty criminality and die fairly soon. None will plot the next 9/11.

And America will have reduced its involvement in an ongoing program of injustice.