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Keith Olbermann Compares Obama’s Tax Compromise with Nazi Appeasement

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He might deny it, using a lace doily of a fig leaf that would embarrass even Rush Limbaugh, but Countdown host Keith Olbermann‘s “Special Comment” Tuesday night heavily featured that most Godwinian of rhetorical devices: the Nazi comparison. Angrily responding to President Obama‘s compromise on the Bush Tax Cuts, Olbermann quoted Winston Churchill extensively, ran down a laundry list of missed opportunities and broken promises, and even lent support to a primary challenge to the President. While Godwin’s Law states that Olbermann lost the argument, the defection of Obama’s base could portend a different result.

Hours after President Obama defended his compromising ways against criticism from the left, Olbermann responded by highlighting the missed opportunities, most squandered as the President held obstruction-proof majorities in both Houses of Congress: (transcript via MSNBC)

Yesterday I had an exchange with a very Senior member of this Administration who wanted to sell me on this deal. I pointed out that that was fine, except that — as I phrased it to him — “frankly the base has just vanished.” “Well,” he replied, “then they must not have read the details.” There, in a nutshell, is this Administration. They didn’t make a bad deal — we just don’t understand it.

Just as it was our fault, Mr President, for not understanding your refusal of even the most perfunctory of investigations of rendition or domestic spying or the other crimes of the Bush Administration, or why you have now established for those future Administrations who want to repeat those crimes, that the punishment for them will be nothing.

Just as it was our fault, Mr. President, for not understanding Afghanistan. Just as we didn’t correctly perceive, Sir, the necessity for the continuation of Gitmo. Or how we failed to intuit, President Obama, your preemptive abandonment of Single Payer and the Public Option. Or how we couldn’t have foreseen your foot-dragging on “Don’t ask, don’t tell.” Just as we shouldn’t have gotten you angry at your news conference today and made all the moderate Democrats wonder why in the hell you get publicly angry so often at the liberals who campaigned for you and whether you might save just a touch of that sarcasm and that self-martyrdom for the Republicans.

The President is right to point to accomplishments such as Health Care Reform, but the progressive base who elected him is even righter to point out that they handed him a blank check in a Congressional majority that George W. Bush never had, and all they got was a gallon of milk and some eggs.

In case anyone missed the significance of the Churchill quotes peppered throughout, Olbermann hangs a lantern on it: (transcript via MSNBC)

The Churchill quotation — as opposed to the quotation from the very Senior member of your Administration, Mr. President — is from October 5th, 1938.

I don’t want to make any true comparison to the historical event to which it related; the viewer can go ahead and look it up if they wish; I will confess I won’t fight if anybody wants to draw a comparison between what you’ve done with our domestic politics of our day, to what Neville Chamberlain did with the international politics of his.

Translation: “I’m not sayin’, I’m just sayin’.”

Godwin’s Law notwithstanding, if someone with Olbermann’s influence is seriously considering support for a primary challenge, that’s very bad news for Democrats. Until now, I’ve been unable to conjure a set of circumstances that could realistically lead to a Sarah Palin presidency, but this could be it. It would be incredibly tough for a challenger to unseat President Obama as the Democratic nominee, but such a challenge could present a candidate with enough support (and narcissism) to mount a third-party challenge in the general election. Split the Democratic vote, and it’s “Hello, President Palin.”

If that thought frightens you, that’s probably the point. The President’s base is hunting around for a stick big enough to make the President listen to them.

Here’s the full Special Comment, from MSNBC:


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  • Atticus Draco

    Keith Olbermann Compares Obama’s Tax Compromise with Nazi Appeasement

    LMAO
    Tell me it aint good to be a Republican
    lol

  • Just4thefax

    Fact: Olbermann is a sore loser! Ozero has only done one thing right thus far as far as I’m concerned!
    View more facts here!
    http://www.twincities.com/business/ci_16802595?nclick_check=1

  • timzank

    ” if someone with Olbermann’s influence ”

    That’s meant to be a joke, right?

  • Atticus Draco

    timzank said:
    ” if someone with Olbermann’s influence ”

    That’s meant to be a joke, right?

    lol,, no chit

  • sarainitaly

    “There, in a nutshell, is this Administration. They didn’t make a bad deal — we just don’t understand it.”

    well, he did nail Obama there. We’ve heard that repeatedly with this administration.
    So, is anyone going to call Olby racist now?

    Seems to me a much better deal would have been a compromise from both sides to help with the deficit – a compromised split on the tax hikes (from 35 to 36 or 37 instead of 39.5%) and a stop/drastic cut in spending.

  • Just4thefax

    Fact: The grass really is greener on the other side is really the liberal motto! They say it like this; How much does your wallet have!

  • Bobomatic

    Yawn… next.

  • http://www.libertarianism.com/ Jack Burns

    such a challenge could present a candidate with enough support (and narcissism) to mount a third-party challenge in the general election. Split the Democratic vote, and it’s “Hello, President Palin.”

    Really??? I don’t think there is that much love from the left for this woman….

  • The Real Royal King

    sarainitaly said:
    is anyone going to call Olby racist now?

    No, Olbermann made a distinct policy-based argument, free of racist innuendo and not in the nature of the bleating, kvetching, moaning and whining favored by the chronic, pathological Obama bashers.

    However, Olbermann is a damn diva of monumental proportions and an insufferable bore.

  • The Real Royal King

    Jack Burns said:
    such a challenge could present a candidate with enough support (and narcissism) to mount a third-party challenge in the general election. Split the Democratic vote, and it’s “Hello, President Palin.”

    Really??? I don’t think there is that much love from the left for this woman….

    … and, I gather, less and less from the right every day. The chances dim daily.

  • skyfet

    I tell you this, his weakness and appeasement to the right wings is bad for the country. This will affect the poor and lower middle class folks more than the wealthy and upper-middle class. He is following in the footsteps of the GOP, who look after the wealthy.
    What am most pissed with this crappy compromise is the fact that they equate unemployment with extending tax cuts for the wealthy and upper middle class. The unemployment benefits have passed several times recently, who would he try to make it look like a genuine achievement in this POS deal. The useless tax cut will expand the deficit much more rapidly as it has done for the past 10yrs.

  • Cecelia

    The Real Royal King said:
    not in the nature of the bleating, kvetching, moaning and whining favored by the chronic, pathological Obama bashers.

    In other words, Olbermann was pushing him to the left.

  • Probably NOT wrong

    I knew it! I knew it!
    As soon as I read the Rachel Maddow piece here on Mediaite this
    AM, then went to Olbermann’s Special Comment from last night, that President Obama
    had NOT consulted with them on this compromise!
    I just KNEW THIS WAS GOING TO HAPPEN!! Damn it1 I knew it!
    I suppose Mr. ED the Talking Horses ASS was upset also,
    or was he consulted?? Probably NOT! OMG!

  • http://gordonbloyershow.com gordonbloyershow

    The Real Royal King said:
    and, I gather, less and less from the right every day. The chances dim daily.

    There is an opening for a Santa Claus at Macy’s in San Francisco. Maybe you could get the job. They need an old crank.

  • Penguin60

    skyfet said:
    The useless tax cut will expand the deficit much more rapidly as it has done for the past 10yrs.

    Try not spending as much.

  • The Real Royal King

    skyfet said:
    I tell you this, his weakness and appeasement to the right wings is bad for the country. This will affect the poor and lower middle class folks more than the wealthy and upper-middle class. He is following in the footsteps of the GOP, who look after the wealthy.
    What am most pissed with this crappy compromise is the fact that they equate unemployment with extending tax cuts for the wealthy and upper middle class. The unemployment benefits have passed several times recently, who would he try to make it look like a genuine achievement in this POS deal. The useless tax cut will expand the deficit much more rapidly as it has done for the past 10yrs.

    I agree.

    We have 30 years of data and experience outlining to us a clear, concerted effort by Republicans to destroy the Middle Class, and President Obama did not stand up to these vile conspirators.

  • Cecelia

    Clinton found it hard to be what they left wished and Pres. Obama does as well.

    I suspect the president quickly found out that governance is a hell of lot different in reality than theory.

  • The Real Royal King

    Penguin60 said:
    Try not spending as much.

    From what I can gather the Republicans are hell-bent in cutting nothing, and the Tea Partiers each have a favored sacred cow. There’s not going to be any cuts.

  • Atticus Draco

    The Real Royal King said:
    and President Obama did not stand up to these vile conspirators.

    Sticks and stones,,, LMAO

  • Probably NOT wrong

    Damn these “vile’ conspitators.
    RRK you are one phony asshole,
    But we all know that don’t we?

  • The Real Royal King

    Cecelia said:
    Clinton found it hard to be what they left wished and Pres. Obama does as well.

    I suspect the president quickly found out that governance is a hell of lot different in reality than theory.

    You’re correct on both counts. Neither Clinton nor Obama is a leftist, a liberal, a progressive or whatever your rightist friends intended slur of the day is. All of the bleating, kvetching, moaning and whining to the contrary by FOX “News” and Lard Limbaugh and your rightist friends notwithstanding, it has never be true, it is not true and it will never be true. Both men have always been, and a shall forever be centrists to their very souls.

  • Cecelia

    The Real Royal King said:
    We have 30 years of data and experience outlining to us a clear, concerted effort by Republicans to destroy the Middle Class, and President Obama did not stand up to these vile conspirators.

    Hearing you compare conservatives to terrorists, traitors, conspirators is interesting.

    It brings back your decibel level eleven whining, kvetching, and moaning at Olbermann Watch, when some administration official or conservative pundit made a far….far…far…far more subtle and oblique suggestion that the left misguidedly hurt the country.

    You were told then that you’d would use rhetoric far more direct and severe if the roles were reverse, and you’ve borne that out a hundred times here.

  • Seeing 2012 From My Window

    I think Beck is right when he says that now that the left has their idea candidate in office, if he doesn’t deliver, their will be consequences and they could be violent ones. They aren’t going to let this opportunity go to waste and they’ve shown throughout history that they think violence is the answer. Heck, Obama’s buddy Billy Ayers got testy with a reporter the other day when he wrongly told Ayers he’d denounced violence. Ayers was actually offended at that. You have Clare Mc telling her lib followers that if they current tax rate is extended to pick up pitchforks. You have Ron Reagan saying the ends justify their means and they need to bring a gun to the fight. I could go on, but I think you get the jist.

  • The Real Royal King

    Atticus Draco said:
    Sticks and stones,,, LMAO

    I shouldn’t be surprised that you view rhetoric, argumentation and advocacy negatively.

  • Atticus Draco

    Atticus Draco said:
    Sticks and stones,,, LMAO

    You know,, if you think you can budge a TRUE Republican,, and especially a TRUE Conservative,, with name calling,,you’re just NOT F’n with it!!
    WE’VE HEARD ‘EM ALL MAN!!
    WE’RE USED TO IT BY NOW

  • Cecelia

    The Real Royal King said:
    Both men have always been, and a shall forever be centrists to their very souls.

    There’s never been a leftwing politician of any import that you guys haven’t claimed was centrist.

    That they MUST govern that way (ala Dick Morris…) or LOSE, doesn’t make you any more accurate, it’s just makes you tone deaf.

  • Cecelia

    The Real Royal King said:
    Atticus Draco said:
    Sticks and stones,,, LMAO

    I shouldn’t be surprised that you view rhetoric, argumentation and advocacy negatively.

    Well, how exactly does one view being called a conspirator in the country’s demise?

  • The Real Royal King

    Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
    left has their idea candidate

    “Left” is singular and requires the singular pronoun, “its”.

    Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
    their will be consequence

    I doubt THERE will be.

    Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
    I could go on, but I think you get the jist.

    I the GIST is semi-literate, ahistorical babbling, yes we get it.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dw-Dunphy/1303719291 Dw Dunphy

    What Olberman doesn’t get is that this was always about the Bush Tax Cuts for the wealthiest Americans. That was the line Obama had to cross to get anything done. The jobs are still gone, the unemployed still unemployed, and their benefits were going away. You can’t throw people off unemployment and, at the same time, allow the jobs to be sent away. It’s like telling people to row to safety and then burning the boats.

    So Obama made the decision. Did he spurn his base? Sure. Tell me what he should have done? Stick to his guns, leave an entire segment out of work, in financial jeopardy and prepared to foment anarchy against the government that said “march” and then shout out their kneecaps?

  • Cecelia

    Shame on you, Atticus! You viewed being called a “vile conspirator” as negative “rhetoric, argumentation and advocacy”….

  • Elaine B

    Atticus Draco said:
    Keith Olbermann Compares Obama’s Tax Compromise with Nazi Appeasement

    LMAO
    Tell me it aint good to be a Republican
    lol

    It aint good to be a Republican! You don’t even have a clue do you?

    Try listening to Keith whole program maybe you would get the whole picture, the Republicans are disgusting if they think they won or if they think this is a good thing.

    Per usual, Keith says it like it is… try listening to what he actually said.

  • Penguin60

    The Real Royal King said:
    Neither Clinton nor Obama is a leftist, a liberal, a progressive or whatever your rightist friends intended slur of the day is.

    HA! intended slur of the day? I thought you libs embraced those monikers? Call em the way you see em.

    The Real Royal King said:
    There’s not going to be any cuts.

    Then that’s bad for America, and we try again.

  • Atticus Draco

    Dw Dunphy said:
    What Olberman doesn’t get is that this was always about the Bush Tax Cuts for the wealthiest Americans. That was the line Obama had to cross to get anything done. The jobs are still gone, the unemployed still unemployed, and their benefits were going away. You can’t throw people off unemployment and, at the same time, allow the jobs to be sent away. It’s like telling people to row to safety and then burning the boats.

    So Obama made the decision. Did he spurn his base? Sure. Tell me what he should have done? Stick to his guns, leave an entire segment out of work, in financial jeopardy and prepared to foment anarchy against the government that said “march” and then shout out their kneecaps?

    You a left leaning conformist?

  • Penguin60

    Elaine B said:
    Try listening to Keith whole program

    There isn’t enough Zofran in the world to make that happen.

  • Cecelia

    Elaine B said:
    Try listening to Keith whole program maybe you would get the whole picture, the Republicans are disgusting if they think they won or if they think this is a good thing.

    Per usual, Keith says it like it is… try listening to what he actually said.

    So you agree with Olbermann that Pres. Obama is on par with those who appeased murderous Hitler in order to survive unmolested?

  • Just4thefax

    The Real Royal King said:
    I shouldn’t be surprised that you view rhetoric, argumentation and advocacy negatively.

    Fact: Troglodyte!
    On 12/11/2010 Go Navy beat Army!

  • The Real Royal King

    Cecelia said:
    There’s never been a leftwing politician of any import that you guys haven’t claimed was centrist.

    That they MUST govern that way (ala Dick Morris…) or LOSE, doesn’t make you any more accurate, it’s just makes you tone deaf.

    I think it would be best to avoid quoting the degenerate and ever so often error-prone Dick Morris, and there are plenty of other more worthy sources for this canard. The fact is, I have never see my own ideological perspective as an entitlement to political power. I expect that the tug from opposite ends of the rope will result in even the “victors” ending up closer to the middle than where they began.There is another fact: The first fact frames the key difference between American modern reactionary conservatism and classic American liberalism. The latter lacks the crippling sense of entitlement of the former.

  • Atticus Draco

    Cecelia said:
    So you agree with Olbermann that Pres. Obama is on par with those who appeased murderous Hitler in order to survive unmolested?

    i know!
    yesterday she was in here
    “OH THE PRESIDENT IS RIGHT!”
    “I WAS WRONG THE DAY BEFORE”
    “HIS SPEECH WAS THE GREATEST”

    Talk about fickle!
    JESUS EB,, GET A PLATFORM AND STICK WITH IT!!!

  • Cecelia

    It’s irony that is both astounding yet unsurprising a the same time.

    Rumsfeld got hell for mentioning a reference to Neville Chamberlain when taking about a war.

    Keith Olbermann does it over tax cuts…

  • Cecelia

    Atticus Draco said:
    Talk about fickle!
    JESUS EB,, GET A PLATFORM AND STICK WITH IT!!!

    Well, it’s like this. Just yell “black!”, Attticus. She’ll yell “white!”.

  • The Real Royal King

    Penguin60 said:
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    The Real Royal King said:
    Neither Clinton nor Obama is a leftist, a liberal, a progressive or whatever your rightist friends intended slur of the day is.

    HA! intended slur of the day? I thought you libs embraced those monikers? Call em the way you see em.

    The Real Royal King said:
    There’s not going to be any cuts.

    Then that’s bad for America, and we try again.

    My Dear Penguin, I never said nor did I imply that the slurs were accurate nor that they had the intended effect. That is more implication.

    As to the trying again. Good. I am as interested in budget reduction deficit as anyone else is, perhaps more so than most. But, it has to be clear to all soon, if not now, that the various Tea Party personae have carved out their pet projects which are sacred. The clearest example is Paul’s homage to doctors’ fees from Medicare. If the question was: “Who is willing to bring about smaller gouvernment and less spending?”, the answer was decidedly not: “Tea Partiers”. In other words, the change is going to have to be much more fundamental, more foundational than some had envisioned.

  • Cecelia

    The Real Royal King said:
    The latter lacks the crippling sense of entitlement of the former.

    Of course. The latter lacks a constituency that can give them one.

    That’s why they have to couch the truth in terms like “centrist”.

  • JacksonGT

    The Real Royal King said:
    No, Olbermann made a distinct policy-based argument, free of racist innuendo and not in the nature of the bleating, kvetching, moaning and whining favored by the chronic, pathological Obama bashers.

    However, Olbermann is a damn diva of monumental proportions and an insufferable bore.

    Holy crap, I totally agree with you! Color me surprise, but you hit the nail on the head. Race is not part of this and I flippin’ hate it when it gets introduced into every discussion, repeatedly with no merit. Is there a Godwin’s Law for race? Is that the Johnny Cochran law?

    However, I don’t find the comparison Olbermann’s making apt, but that’s a different story.

    I will say that there is one point I agree with Olbermann (shudder to think): this little nugget:

    “There, in a nutshell, is this Administration. They didn’t make a bad deal — we just don’t understand it.” But with one edit. Replace “administration” with “Olbermann’s general character.” Olbermann is a complete bore, a pompous windbag and a total hypocrite. I find him insufferable now. He is chillin’ in the glass house throwing stones now, isn’t he?!

  • notsofast

    LOL

    KO just exemplifies why he and libs are so full of crap. BHO finally compromises and Libs cry like children.

    They are so pathetic and so hypocritical.

  • The Real Royal King

    Cecelia said:
    Of course. The latter lacks a constituency that can give them one.

    That’s why they have to couch the truth in terms like “centrist”.

    The latter has a constituency intelligent enough and nuanced enough that change comes from many, many sources other than reactionary gouvernance. Arts, sciences, literature, media, education, entertainment all have far greater impact on our development, our perspectives, our lives. The end of our occupation of Southeast Asia, the civil and constitutional rights mouvements had a political dimension, to be sure, but the real change was brought about these other cultural treasures and institutions. That’s what makes it possible for the odd Republican not to be a hawk or the rare African American conservative to exist. When minds and hearts change, politics and gouvernance follow. Even liberal gouvernance tends to be reactionary.

  • Penguin60

    The Real Royal King said:
    I never said nor did I imply that the slurs were accurate

    My laugh is that you(a profound progressive, liberal, leftist) refer to those terms as slurs. Wear those terms with pride. Now if you were referred to (as your side does with such vigor) as a nazi, racist then you should be upset.

    The Real Royal King said:
    Who is willing to bring about smaller gouvernment and less spending?”, the answer was decidedly not: “Tea Partiers”.

    We shall see, but since you are into prognostication, what’s the PA lottery number for tonight?

  • Cecelia

    The Real Royal King said:
    That’s what makes it possible for the odd Republican not to be a hawk or the rare African American conservative to exist. When minds and hearts change, politics and gouvernance follow. Even liberal gouvernance tends to be reactionary.

    Well, great. Call up Oliver Stone and Michael Moore for movies lauding the raising of taxes during a recession. Maybe Serrano can do a “Piss W-4″….

  • skyfet

    @Penguin60
    You don’t consider tax cut as spending. Tax is a revenue for the Federal Govt, cutting it affects income especially in the time of 2 wars. If there must be tax cuts, there should also be a serious attempt of cutting spending and defence spending should be on the table. But I bet the Military Industrial complex would not allow that.

    I’d like to see these phony Republicans cut spending where it really matters. Instead they champion it, and when the threat of cutting those irresponsible (weapons that would never be used) projects, they scream and cry Jobsss.

    Phony morons. They care about jobs that matters to them (especially from special interests). Everyone else can go to hell.

  • justanotherconservative

    skyfet said:
    I tell you this, his weakness and appeasement to the right wings is bad for the country. This will affect the poor and lower middle class folks more than the wealthy and upper-middle class. He is following in the footsteps of the GOP, who look after the wealthy.What am most pissed with this crappy compromise is the fact that they equate unemployment with extending tax cuts for the wealthy and upper middle class. The unemployment benefits have passed several times recently, who would he try to make it look like a genuine achievement in this POS deal. The useless tax cut will expand the deficit much more rapidly as it has done for the past 10yrs.

    why do you hate the wealthy?? maybe if you did something with your life besides write blogs you, too, could earn some money and oh no!!! become wealthy yourself.

  • The Real Royal King

    Penguin60 said:
    Penguin60 says:
    December 8, 2010 at 10:20 am Penguin60(Quote)
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    The Real Royal King said:
    I never said nor did I imply that the slurs were accurate

    My laugh is that you(a profound progressive, liberal, leftist) refer to those terms as slurs. Wear those terms with pride. Now if you were referred to (as your side does with such vigor) as a nazi, racist then you should be upset.

    We obviously are talking of different things. I am saying they were intended as a slur. I am proudly liberal. I’m not particularly progressive.

  • cjd ohio 1

    but parties do that skyfet

  • The Real Royal King

    Cecelia said:
    the raising of taxes during a recession.

    I find it interesting that a woman as bright as you should cling to formulaic reactionary talking points.

  • notsofast

    BTW, you benighted libs, these are not tax cuts; they are merely keeping the tax rates the same as they have been for sometime.

  • BatBoy

    skyfet said:
    You don’t consider tax cut as spending. Tax is a revenue for the Federal Govt

    There is NO tax cut…. Weath is earned, not given by the government.

    If the government gave the weathy money, then took it away, there would be a “TAX CUT”

    When the government wants to take more, it is called…..theft comes to mind…greed also comes to mind…

    Here is the deal, govenment has a history of spending money foolishly and not getting results.

    Take the South Side of Chicage, where …er…Barack H Obama use to extort money (leaglly that is) from businesses, get huge amounts of money from every govenment there is…to the tune of hundreds of millions of $$ – And it is still a Hole…it is example of $$$ tossed right down the XXX hole.

  • Cecelia

    The Real Royal King said:
    I find it interesting that a woman as bright as you should cling to formulaic reactionary talking points.

    Well, jettisoning or couching depending upon the audience IS your thing.

  • The Real Royal King

    notsofast said:
    BTW, you benighted libs, these are not tax cuts; they are merely keeping the tax rates the same as they have been for sometime.

    Well, then, that’s different. Thank you for this information, Miss Molly.

  • notsofast

    KO and libs disagreeing with BHO?

    Must be racism; can’t be anything else.

  • Cecelia

    TRRK, if you can bear a straight question or give a straight answer, I’d like to know if you called the Secret Service on Olby Sucks for something he posted.

    You’ve intimated that, and I’ve wondered.

    Any chance in hell of getting an answer that is direct, open, and honest from you here?

  • Penguin60

    skyfet said:
    You don’t consider tax cut as spending.

    I look at it as decreased revenue, thus the normal response is decreased spending.

    skyfet said:
    I’d like to see these phony Republicans cut spending where it really matters.

    Don’t give me that horseshit, you don’t think the “phony Dems” have had a hand in defense spending?
    In my town there are numerous defense contractors all proppped up by a Dem Congressman. So they all have a hand in it.
    Stop inequal trade agreements, encourage companies to stay in the US(how?) Decrease military bases around the world, force the Afghans to take care of their own.
    All items need to be on the table(including entitlements) or we will (more like our children) owe our soul to China.

  • Just4thefax

    Fact: Liberals the world over debate the issues just like the video on this link!
    http://frontpagemag.com/2010/11/04/how-leftists-argue/

    They just don’t get it!

  • The Real Royal King

    Cecelia said:
    TRRK, if you can bear a straight question or give a straight answer, I’d like to know if you called the Secret Service on Olby Sucks for something he posted.

    You’ve intimated that, and I’ve wondered.

    Any chance in hell of getting an answer that is direct, open, and honest from you here?

    No, I didn’t call on Jeff.

    I did call on another poster at another site shortly after the 2008 election.

    I debated calling about Jeff. If I’m not mistaken, he was then posting at Mediaite under both Olby Sucks and American Cowboy. In the end, I decided he was simply a rightist lunatic, had no present intent to carry out a threat and posed no credible threat. Frankly, I agonized a bit over it.

    Now, if I may: Why do you ask? I notice Jeff has not been around in any discernible persona.

  • Cecelia

    The Real Royal King said:
    I notice Jeff has not been around in any discernible persona.

    Well, obviously I ask because Olby Sucks “has not been around in any discernable persona”.

    Thanks for directly answering a question.

    I’ll take it for granted that you’ve answered truthfully. Thank you.

  • Pablo

    The Real Rabid Kook said:
    Neither Clinton nor Obama is a leftist, a liberal, a progressive or whatever your rightist friends intended slur of the day is. All of the bleating, kvetching, moaning and whining to the contrary by FOX “News” and Lard Limbaugh and your rightist friends notwithstanding, it has never be true, it is not true and it will never be true. Both men have always been, and a shall forever be centrists to their very souls.

    Another Kook fantasy gets dashed against the rocks:Obama Addresses Critics on ‘Centrist’ Moves

    “Look, let me talk about the broader issue, this whole notion that I am shifting to the center,” he said. “The people who say this apparently haven’t been listening to me.”…

    “I am someone who is no doubt progressive,”

    “I believe in a whole lot of things that make me progressive and put me squarely in the Democratic camp,”

    Can you believe all of that rightist bleating, kvetching, moaning, whining and direct quoting?

  • skyfet

    @justanotherconservative
    Here we go with the wretched defensive mechanism used by the jokers to avoid paying tax as its expected. Why do you assume that people who are asking for fairer taxes are in need of welfare checks? I don’t know maybe it’s the smug in you. Warren Buffet, Bill Clinton and other wealthy individual complain that they are not taxed enough, they have the decency to say it because they know its not fair. Everyone should pay their own share of taxes, that’s all.
    Everyone wants to be successful, why would they want to take wealth of others. (Crap) is your suggestion that I hate wealth. Now take that in your pike and smoke it, sniff it, or whatever makes you happy.

  • cjd ohio 1

    them they can pay extra if they want, but do you see buffet,clinton sending in extra taxes

  • skyfet

    @BatBoy
    If Businesses can make money in an environment where the Govt. provides security, atmosphere in which they can make money. You Becha that it’s the Gov’t right to set taxes. Road and rail maintenance, policing, Fire dept, various law enfourcement, the Military, etc don’t come in cheap. You have no idea on what is the main priority of a business before starting up, you have no idea. The first thing they check is security, followed by political climate. If a country can’t provide this, then it goes down in their radar.

    Pakistan use to make goods for foreign companies, and still does in some area. But with the insecurities, and wretched political climate, its moved to Bangladesh (which has less violent attacks). Why do you have McDonalds in Kuwait, Saudi Arabia but not in IRAQ?

    As long as the Govt is doing their job, everyone that wants to benefit from its services have to pay up. Those who are not happy moved there jobs abroad and pay taxes according to that country. Some move jobs abroad to maximise their profit. Yet when they bring those goods to the state, they are tax on it, because they want to sell in an environment the Govt is maintaining so expensively.

    Basic fairness of any tax system is to pay according to what you earn. I prefer a flat tax on a set of income that meets certain criteria. But the people are stuck with what is available, and it should be fair.

  • http://gordonbloyershow.com gordonbloyershow

    The Real Royal King said:
    I did call on another poster at another site shortly after the 2008 election.
    I debated calling about Jeff. If I’m not mistaken, he was then posting at Mediaite under both Olby Sucks and American Cowboy. In the end, I decided he was simply a rightist lunatic, had no present intent to carry out a threat and posed no credible threat. Frankly, I agonized a bit over it.

    I did call the loony bin on you. They said they were full. Sorry.

  • skyfet

    @Penguin60
    Am for cutting everything including the phony defence contracts. The Neocons are on your side, they are the one that wants dominance in the world, even though the founders preferred isolationism, ask Ron Paul. Why can’t they be true to the American Public. Look at the Conservative Party in Uk, they cut everything that needs to be cut including Military spending. The Germans are also strict in cutting spendings.
    The reality in the U.S politics is that no one is serious about cutting. You can cut but not in my district or projects that affects my donors. That’s why Campaign finance can’t stay the same way, you can thank the Supreme court, who’ve just sided with the corporate/big donor.

  • Penguin60

    skyfet said:
    The Neocons are on your side,

    John Murtha was a neocon? News to me. Who escalated the Viet Nam War? Don’t give me the Republican war monger line, the list is a lot shorter of those Congressional members that don’t have a defense contractor in their district.
    When it comes to military spending, self defense is one thing being the world’s defender is another. UK,Germans, Japan they don’t need to spend on military, they have us to back them up. I wonder how much is still owed us from WWII?

    skyfet said:
    you can thank the Supreme court, who’ve just sided with the corporate/big donor.

    I think you can add big labor to that list also.

  • notsofast

    skyfet said:
    Here we go with the wretched defensive mechanism used by the jokers to avoid paying tax as its expected. Why do you assume that people who are asking for fairer taxes are in need of welfare checks? I don’t know maybe it’s the smug in you. Warren Buffet, Bill Clinton and other wealthy individual complain that they are not taxed enough,

    People who don’t pay their taxes like Geithner and Tom Daschle?

    And there is nothing preventing Buffet, Clinton and others from paying more in taxes; not a damn thing!

  • skyfet

    @notsofast
    What do you mean there’s nothing preventing them. People don’t give the tax-man more than they request.

  • dummy123

    I don’t understand??
    Why don’t Keith, Rachel, Larry, Ed Schultz, Bill Maher, and Joy Behar just surrender all their wealth to the federal government and get nice apartment in Jamaica,Queens and take the subway to work??

  • ImNotBlue

    skyfet said:
    @notsofastWhat do you mean there’s nothing preventing them. People don’t give the tax-man more than they request.

    That’s strange. You’d think if the left WANTED (as has been claimed) to pay more in taxes, and believed that they SHOULD pay more in taxes… it wouldn’t actually take the government demanding they pay more, for them to give more.

    I’m sure you can write them a check… they’d be happy to get it.

  • notsofast

    skyfet said:
    @notsofast
    What do you mean there’s nothing preventing them. People don’t give the tax-man more than they request.

    Nothing prevents them from doing so. They can send in extra cash at any time.

    Write a check today! Be superpatriotic as VP Bite Me said.

  • ImNotBlue

    A follow-up:

    You could think about it, skyfet, as though it was civil disobedience!

    “Ha-HA government! You wanted me to give you $5000, but I’m going to give you $10000! Ha-HA!”

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Phil-Bourekas/1538058627 Phil Bourekas

    It’s funny that KO would say:
    There, in a nutshell, is this Administration. They didn’t make a bad deal — we just don’t understand it.

    This is what BO said all along about the unpopularity of healthcare. KO was willing to believe then that the problem was one of understanding. The current administration has said repeatedly that its primary failure was in selling its actions to the public…

    This is the elitism of the modern liberal–they are much smarter than the public. KO believes this of himself, BO believes it of himself…

  • CAconservative

    With statements like this, is it any wonder that Olbermann dwells in the basement of cable news shows?

  • writer

    Robert is to the left of Chairman Mao. From out there, Obama would appear as a ‘centrist’.

  • dummy123

    Does Keith leave his limo running while he writes his “Special Comments” about the evil Global warming deniers??
    What day does Olberloon put out his recyclable trash??

  • RichS

    skyfet said:
    @notsofastWhat do you mean there’s nothing preventing them. People don’t give the tax-man more than they request.

    They can if they want to. You can overpay the IRS. If the people you mentioned feel they should pay more there is nothing stopping them from paying more.

  • Nachi

    WEaaaayy over the top, Keith. In addition, Chamberlain was dying of cancer – and knew it. That knowledge affected him in many ways. History & fact. Calm down – you’re beginning to imitate a Repug whacko.

  • Mr.Papshmer

    This is crap. The only “appeasement” was to appease to the lazy. Most of you people still don’t get it. When Obama was a two bit rabble rouser in Chicago, the lazy filth he was a god to didn’t care about the wealthy, not in any real sense. He hung out with the wealthy, for god sakes. He’s simply doing what he’s always done, promise a bunch of stuff to lazy people, and then go play golf. We’ll have another thirteen months of unemployment benefits, in exchange for extending tax cuts. Do you think for a minute that the guy who wakes up at noon everyday with a cottonmouth cares less about policy, or whether “rich” guys get soaked or not? Hell no, as long as that check shows up every couple of weeks, the least of his concerns is tax policy. Generally speaking.

  • NORBIT

    Wow!
    What great serendipity for a last minute Hanukkah gift:

    We get to watch the progressive left implode into bitter in-fighting, as their iconic leader and his dreams of a Marxist Utopia come crashing down around them!
    ——————————————————————-

    Next stop, pressure the New GOP to expunge the incestuous profiteering between Wall Street and the Federal Government!

    Onward Ho! (no reference to Spitzer)

  • Rusty Shackelford

    That aint santa coming for Keith…its Comcast.You’d better watch out,you better not cry,you better not pout I’m telling you why.

  • Wayne Laugesen

    You know Obama is in trouble with the left when the Colorado Springs Gazette — which publishes the most conservative/libertarian editorial page in the country in the most conservative city in America — dances in the streets to celebrate the tax “compromise.” Conservatives feel they had to compromise very little. See this, and vote:

    http://www.gazette.com/opinion/tax-109168-compromise-year.html

  • TeaPartyPatriot

    The lunatic-left doth protest too much, methinks…..

    This is a “deal” made in lunatic-left d-crat socialist heaven. Overall, this is a BAD deal for most Americans – “You Lie!” hussein only bent slightly, while the Ruling Class, out-of-touch establishment Repubs caved in to more economic/social atrocities from the lunatic-left. That is why Jim DeMINT appropriately opposes this “deal”.

    THE GOOD: improves the d-crat socialists’ beloved DEATH TAX and doesn’t raise taxes in an economy hobbled by the failed policies of the d-crat socialists – including NOT raising taxes on small business owners to encourage job creation.

    THE STINKINGLY BAD: cut the 6.2 percent Social Security payroll tax by 2 percentage points next year (…economic insanity: take a BANKRUPT Social Security program and make it EVEN MORE BANKRUPT !)

    THE HORRIBLY UGLY: massively increases the national debt and deficit to preserve a bundle of lunatic-left tax credits and giveaways, including the earned income tax credit, the child tax credit and an outrageous tax credit that helps pay college tuition and helping the creation of a “permanent” class of unemployed living off government welfare.. (…more lunatic-left d-crat socialist wealth re-distribution and a perversion of self-reliance)

    I can’t wait to see the leader of the lunatic-left, crazy pelosi, slap down “You Lie!” hussein over this !

  • CHECKSIGHT

    IDIOT!

  • jo hoochie

    dummy123 said:
    I don’t understand??Why don’t Keith, Rachel, Larry, Ed Schultz, Bill Maher, and Joy Behar just surrender all their wealth to the federal government and get nice apartment in Jamaica,Queens and take the subway to work??

    Christmas would be much better this year if that dream would come true!!!

  • Patrick Henry

    Elaine B said:
    the Republicans are disgusting

    No, that would be you.

  • Magister

    As I said in a comment the other day in response to Dan Rather, I really don’t see a potential challenger from the left that has the stature to mount a serious bid. Of course there may be someone from the right, but I suspect they’ll drop out after New Hampshire.

    What the idiot Olbermann fails to realize is that the last time a sitting Democratic President was challenged from the left, the candidate was Edward Kennedy. He was a fricking Kennedy and that allowed him to be taken seriously, but who is it that these media heads think may have enough hatred for their party and who might have a chance at winning? Who? It’s a simple question because everyone who comes to mind that might have any possibility of being victorious, they all are as moderate or slightly to the right of President Obama.

    And that’s not even taking into account that the majority of Democrats are in the middle, the effect of identity politics on the vote and the fact that outside of some blowhards on cable TV and a few 20-something bloggers most Democrats are smart enough to realize that governing isn’t sports — it has shades of gray — and if you actually look past the headlines and the miniscule amount being called into question because of the extension to the upper brackets, the compromise looks like a good deal.

  • Magister

    BTW – Just to clarify: I realize that Tommy isn’t a 20-something blogger, but the younger set (and MSNBC blowhards) appear to be the loudest voices on the subject.

    And again, Mr Olbermann… let me ask you who it is that you think might mount a serious challenge from the left? Dennis Kucinich? Nancy Pelosi? H. R. Pufinstuff? Who?

  • http://crazyconservative.wordpress.com/ jamesalfred

    sarainitaly said:
    “There, in a nutshell, is this Administration. They didn’t make a bad deal — we just don’t understand it.” well, he did nail Obama there. We’ve heard that repeatedly with this administration.So, is anyone going to call Olby racist now? Seems to me a much better deal would have been a compromise from both sides to help with the deficit – a compromised split on the tax hikes (from 35 to 36 or 37 instead of 39.5%) and a stop/drastic cut in spending.

    No, no onw ewill call him a racist. Libs do not do that to each other. I love that these people are turning on Obama. It’s funny as Hell. Problem is, Olby and his ilk only represent about three percent of the country so Obam aliebating them really doesn’t hurt him much.

    http://crazyconservative.wordpress.com/

  • http://Mediaite.com uggugg

    If Pelosi allows a vote before January on the Bush tax cut for the Super Rich we will all know Obama has not changed his mind. Republicans probably know he has that long to change his mind, and if he is as smart as I think he is, he will revisit and restudy the issues between now and the 1st of Jan. to see if he forgot or left anything out that should be in that deal. There is one thing we can gloat over even after the rich get there undeserving riches, they’ll still, only be able to take their name with them to the land down under while their money can stay here repairing the things they ran into the ground during the time they were making hay while the time was ripe.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russ-Burgett/1467356773 Russ Burgett

    Wow, I didn’t realize that there were so many racist democrats! I mean, wasn’t that what we have been told? It’s not that we didn’t like Obamacare or cap and trade… any opposition to Obama was strictly due to being racists!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Russ-Burgett/1467356773 Russ Burgett

    I know it’s not on topic but, I couldn’t resist:

    Paul Krugman, Nobel Prize winner in economics and an influential New York Times columnist, also has a blog, “The Conscience of a Liberal.” On ABC’s “This Week” (Nov. 14), during a discussion on balancing the federal budget against alarming deficits, he proclaimed the way to solve this problem is through deeply cost-effective health-care rationing.

    “Some years down the pike,” he said, “we’re going to get the real solution, which is going to be a combination of death panels and sales taxes.” That would mean the U.S. Debt Reduction Commission “should have endorsed the panel that was part of the (Obama) health-care reform.”
    ——————

    Did he say death panels?

  • felixw

    Who can take this guy seriously. Everything he disagrees with gets compared to Nazis. Tax breaks are equal to the Holocaust. Republicans are like people running Death Camps. What an embarrassment Mr. Olbermann is to the Left in general and MSNBC in particular.

  • puck30

    How fickle old Keithy is, why it was only a few months ago…………

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4posttRFJg

  • Nahu Tuk

    skyfet said:
    @notsofastWhat do you mean there’s nothing preventing them. People don’t give the tax-man more than they request.

    If they’re true patriots like you they do.

  • Nahu Tuk

    Magister said:
    As I said in a comment the other day in response to Dan Rather, I really don’t see a potential challenger from the left that has the stature to mount a serious bid. Of course there may be someone from the right, but I suspect they’ll drop out after New Hampshire.

    Bill Clinton. Whaddaya think?

  • John Michael

    gordonbloyershow said:
    There is an opening for a Santa Claus at Macy’s in San Francisco. Maybe you could get the job. They need an old crank.

    Gordo, you’re so fucking, clever. BTW, who the fuck asked for your opinion?

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