LOL…I guess all media is Left when compared to Fox’s “center”.

Politico has been liberal/left/whacked for quite some time. Not exactly news. Good chance for you guys to Fox bash though, have at it.

BFD…

Please point out MSNBC being hard on the left for anything.. home often do they have conservatives on their shows.. at least I see a lot of liberals on Fox.. just saying.

nunspa said:
BFD…

Please point out MSNBC being hard on the left for anything.. home often do they have conservatives on their shows.. at least I see a lot of liberals on Fox.. just saying.

Umm…there are more conservatives on MSNBC than there are liberals on Fox.

Morning Joe, Lawrence O’Donnell and Chris Mathews all have a steady supply of GOP lawmakers and pundits.
Fox gets a few salaried employees to represent the Left. lol

Those are the facts.

But yeah, MSNBC is Left, Fox is the Right, and Politico is mostly centrist.
Any idiot knows that.

“The center” to these guys is “hard right”.

Also, can people stop pretending liberals watch MSNBC? It’s like comparing the Washington Nationals to the Yankees. Yes, they’re both baseball teams, but seriously, nobody watches MSNBC, and I know not one person who worships Maddow and Matthews in the same fashion that people slobber over Glenn Beck, O’Reilly, Hannity.

The right actually trusts the like of Doocy, Kilmeade, Kelly, etc. They get high ratings and influence the way stories are framed in the rest of the media. It’s very sad.

MSNBC just happens to exist. They are not the bastion of liberal ideas like people would like to think. They’re not even in the same league. Fox News is a full blown propaganda network. MSNBC is just a shitty news entertainment network.

Don’t let Doocy or Hewitt fool you. They are right-wing with a bullet, and will complain about any liberalism, anywhere. They’re not center/right. They’re not moderate. They are full-fledged hard right monkeys. It’s their job, because they are well paid propagandists.

cockistan said:
“The center” to these guys is “hard right”.

Also, can people stop pretending liberals watch MSNBC? It’s like comparing the Washington Nationals to the Yankees. Yes, they’re both baseball teams, but seriously, nobody watches MSNBC, and I know not one person who worships Maddow and Matthews in the same fashion that people slobber over Glenn Beck, O’Reilly, Hannity.

The right actually trusts the like of Doocy, Kilmeade, Kelly, etc. They get high ratings and influence the way stories are framed in the rest of the media. It’s very sad.

MSNBC just happens to exist. They are not the bastion of liberal ideas like people would like to think. They’re not even in the same league. Fox News is a full blown propaganda network. MSNBC is just a shitty news entertainment network.

Don’t let Doocy or Hewitt fool you. They are right-wing with a bullet, and will complain about any liberalism, anywhere. They’re not center/right. They’re not moderate. They are full-fledged hard right monkeys. It’s their job, because they are well paid propagandists.

Very nice Cockistan.

Politico is lefty organization due to its liberal group though in proximity to DC. They even wrote Esquire inspired hit pieces on Sarah Palin, how can people take Politico seriously if they don’t name sources? To save Politico they need to fire everyone and hire more folk outside DC, best way for them to stay objective.

When did Doocy learn left from right? Last I heard he was still working on up and down.

Politico is becoming just like Mediaite. Tommy and Colby are as loony as Olbermann and Matthews.

Then by all means, gordonbloyershow, please leave.

Well the Dems refused to go on Fox News to debate… soooooooo why should the Rebups go on NBC/MSNBC/POLITICO to debate???

Also, did conservative people vote my first comment down because I said that Doocy and Hewitt were right-wing? Do they disagree? I don’t understand.

Wait a minute, do you people really believe Hugh Hewitt is a centrist?

Says two morons who live in a dichotomous world where if you aren’t far right then you are therefore left.

tatboy said:
Well the Dems refused to go on Fox News to debate… soooooooo why should the Rebups go on NBC/MSNBC/POLITICO to debate???

Because Fox is universally recognized as propagandized trash whereas other networks are viewed as propagandized trash only by those who watch Fox.

cockistan said:
“The center” to these guys is “hard right”. Also, can people stop pretending liberals watch MSNBC? It’s like comparing the Washington Nationals to the Yankees. Yes, they’re both baseball teams, but seriously, nobody watches MSNBC, and I know not one person who worships Maddow and Matthews in the same fashion that people slobber over Glenn Beck, O’Reilly, Hannity. The right actually trusts the like of Doocy, Kilmeade, Kelly, etc. They get high ratings and influence the way stories are framed in the rest of the media. It’s very sad. MSNBC just happens to exist. They are not the bastion of liberal ideas like people would like to think. They’re not even in the same league. Fox News is a full blown propaganda network. MSNBC is just a shitty news entertainment network. Don’t let Doocy or Hewitt fool you. They are right-wing with a bullet, and will complain about any liberalism, anywhere. They’re not center/right. They’re not moderate. They are full-fledged hard right monkeys. It’s their job, because they are well paid propagandists.

Are you KIDDING me!!! Olbermann left MSNBC becouse he got such a big head about his ‘following” and Maddow is next to Jebus for liberals. Their ratings don’t compair to Fox but the beat CNN on a regular bases. So SOMEBODY’S watching.

Tatboy, debating doesn’t happen on any of the channels. Even the actual presidential debates aren’t real debates. Remember them asking Obama has his flag pin?

The people you see speaking on television talking at each other are not debating anything, no matter which way they lean.

It’s all pointless screaming. No real news channel should lean to any side.

Also, NBC, as well as every other network, were proverbial cheerleaders for the Iraq War and they were also complicit in glossing over all the awful things Bush did.

If NBC is a liberal channel, then they’re really bad at being a liberal channel.

Hey conservatives, you have Fox News. It’s yours! It’s successful, it’s dominant, it’s exactly what you wanted after years of accusing the media of having a liberal bias.

So why the complaining that politico might lean a little left? Who gives a shit?

Publius219 said:
Because Fox is universally recognized as propagandized trash whereas other networks are viewed as propagandized trash only by those who watch Fox.

You … are … demented. If you think MSNBC/NBC is not liberal, I don’t know a medication that can help you.

And Tatboy, no, I’m not kidding you.

I’m a die-hard progressive who knows damn well that MSNBC isn’t gonna help any cause I believe in. They are the negative mirror image of Fox News. If anyone is watching, it’s because they’re armchair liberals who watch for soundbites to post on their Facebook. They’re not looking for real information

However, if I were a conservative, I would be happier than a pig in shit with how effective Fox News is.

cockistan said:
Tatboy, debating doesn’t happen on any of the channels. Even the actual presidential debates aren’t real debates. Remember them asking Obama has his flag pin? The people you see speaking on television talking at each other are not debating anything, no matter which way they lean. It’s all pointless screaming. No real news channel should lean to any side. Also, NBC, as well as every other network, were proverbial cheerleaders for the Iraq War and they were also complicit in glossing over all the awful things Bush did. If NBC is a liberal channel, then they’re really bad at being a liberal channel. Hey conservatives, you have Fox News. It’s yours! It’s successful, it’s dominant, it’s exactly what you wanted after years of accusing the media of having a liberal bias. So why the complaining that politico might lean a little left? Who gives a shit?

Did you really just say the major news outlets (NBC, ABC, CBS, NPR,) COVERED UP Bush’s flaws??? Seriously!!!

cockistan said:
And Tatboy, no, I’m not kidding you. I’m a die-hard progressive who knows damn well that MSNBC isn’t gonna help any cause I believe in. They are the negative mirror image of Fox News. If anyone is watching, it’s because they’re armchair liberals who watch for soundbites to post on their Facebook. They’re not looking for real information However, if I were a conservative, I would be happier than a pig in shit with how effective Fox News is.

You don’t think the MSM cheerleading for Obama had ANY affect on getting him elected. I was no fan of the McCain ticket, but come on, Obama was a half tem Senator and a community organizer before that. They (the MSM) got you quite a bit if your a die-hard progressive. The White House, the House, AND a supermajority in the Senate.

Yep. I was there. If Bush were really held accountable for the things he did, he would not have made it through his first term. Thanks to hard work of Fox News and the laziness of the rest of the media, Bush was seen as “divisive” instead of straight up “evil”.

More and more, the Iraq war got ignored. War protesters, real grassroots anti-war groups (as opposed to the astroturf Tea Party) were framed as loons, nutjobs and Nazis, mostly by Fox News, but the other channels certainly didn’t sponsor any of their events (ala Fox News/Tea Party) and if you ever watched the Sunday morning shows, the progressive side of the story was always drowned out. The story from 2000-2008 was if you were against Bush, you were loony terrorist sympathizer, a coward, and un-American.

Let me put it to you another way: Bush got away with everything with a lot of help from the media. He couldn’t have done it without them.

Fox is the conservative lifeboat, being circled by sharks, aka liberal media outlets. Occasionally one of the sharks will bump the boat to keep the conservatives awake, but generally the sharks just enjoy not being in the lifeboat.

Doocy is a weather man. Period.

huntingtonboy said:
Doocy is a weather man. Period.

Just a weather man. Not even a meteorologist.

Also, when I say die-hard progressive, I mean I believe in single-payer healthcare, gay marriage, universally legal abortion, and VAT system. Sooooo the MSM got me jack-shit.

However, since Obama’s election, the Supreme Court has allowed corporations to donate to political campaigns, we’re still in Iraq and Afghanistan, we’re still giving aid to Israel, Gitmo is still open, the Patriot Act is still going strong, the Health Care act was a gift to Big Pharma and Wall St. Reform was a weak tea aimed at calming Obama’s supporters into not jumping ship.

Victory: you guys, thx to our wonderful “liberal” media.

The Tea Weasel said:
Fox is the conservative lifeboat, being circled by sharks, aka liberal media outlets. Occasionally one of the sharks will bump the boat to keep the conservatives awake, but generally the sharks just enjoy not being in the lifeboat.

Lifeboat

“Fox & Friends co-host Steve Doocy previously revealed he’s no fan of the political website Politico, or as he called it a “lefty” blog”

Steve Doocy called POLITICO a “lefty blog” because it is a lefty blog.

It also has unapproved and unfiltered comments which is why I go there. I know the authors (or “journalists” as they like to try and call themselves) are all far-leftists, but readers regularly dig into them for their harsh bias and propaganda pushing.

cockistan said:
Also, when I say die-hard progressive, I mean I believe in single-payer healthcare, gay marriage, universally legal abortion, and VAT system. Sooooo the MSM got me jack-shit.

However, since Obama’s election, the Supreme Court has allowed corporations to donate to political campaigns, we’re still in Iraq and Afghanistan, we’re still giving aid to Israel, Gitmo is still open, the Patriot Act is still going strong, the Health Care act was a gift to Big Pharma and Wall St. Reform was a weak tea aimed at calming Obama’s supporters into not jumping ship.

Victory: you guys, thx to our wonderful “liberal” media.

You know….you have the ability to move to another country if you don’t like our system. Just saying.

cockistan said:
Also, when I say die-hard progressive, I mean I believe in single-payer healthcare, gay marriage, universally legal abortion, and VAT system. Sooooo the MSM got me jack-shit.

However, since Obama’s election, the Supreme Court has allowed corporations to donate to political campaigns, we’re still in Iraq and Afghanistan, we’re still giving aid to Israel, Gitmo is still open, the Patriot Act is still going strong, the Health Care act was a gift to Big Pharma and Wall St. Reform was a weak tea aimed at calming Obama’s supporters into not jumping ship.

Victory: you guys, thx to our wonderful “liberal” media.

Politico is “leftist?” Maybe in some alternate universe. In this one they’re so firmly embedded up the rightwing’s butt that when they speak, all you hear are mumbles.

And Hewit calls NBC the “hard left network” which is about as nonsensical as saying Fox is “fair and balanced.” All words that come out of Hewit’s mouth after that statement can be disregarded as no more meaningful the air hissing from a punctured tire.

Upon reflection, all the words that have come out of Hewit’s mouth *prior* to that statement are pretty meaningless as well.

The “say it three times and it’s true” crowd are sure out in force today.

WCinWI said:
You know….you have the ability to move to another country if you don’t like our system. Just saying.

I have no desire to leave this country, but thank you for validating everything I just said instead of disagreeing.
Also, “our system” is flawed. I’d like to stay in this country and see that it’s fixed. Leaving the country would be the pussy’s way out. Remember when Rush said he’d leave the country if the HCR bill got passed? Total pussy move.

Conservatives have it pretty damn good when it comes to the MSM. Oh, let’s not forget the right absolutely dominates radio, both FM and AM.

Even the dumb morning talk shows that aren’t even political still have a special place in their hearts for conservative thought (just listen to their Pelosi bashing and gay jokes).

Conservatives, this is your moment. You control the story! Bask in it! Stop pretending you’re victims! You’re not!

Absolutely tilting more to the Left.
I went there last week after not having popped in for awhile, and there’s no doubt.

Hey, who’s the albino?

Tony Westover said:
It also has unapproved and unfiltered comments which is why I go there. I know the authors (or “journalists” as they like to try and call themselves) are all far-leftists, but readers regularly dig into them for their harsh bias and propaganda pushing.

That says it all.

cockistan said:
I have no desire to leave this country, but thank you for validating everything I just said instead of disagreeing.
Also, “our system” is flawed. I’d like to stay in this country and see that it’s fixed. Leaving the country would be the pussy’s way out. Remember when Rush said he’d leave the country if the HCR bill got passed? Total pussy move.

Conservatives have it pretty damn good when it comes to the MSM. Oh, let’s not forget the right absolutely dominates radio, both FM and AM.

Even the dumb morning talk shows that aren’t even political still have a special place in their hearts for conservative thought (just listen to their Pelosi bashing and gay jokes).

Conservatives, this is your moment. You control the story! Bask in it! Stop pretending you’re victims! You’re not!

Then quit whining and run for a political office. It’s funny when you have people whining about our system, yet if you ask them to get involved in the political process of actual leadership, they won’t.

There is nothing wrong with our system. Do you see us looting? Do you see us burning down buildings and ruining businesses with fire? No.

If the Left put out a radio product that the Left listened to, then they would survive. Just because one is Right or Left doesn’t mean there should be an outfit, unless it’s viable financially. Which is why NPR will be defunded publicly.

Sarah says: WTF, Doocy bag thinks the “Daily” will be in the center, rrright! “Fox” works as a cult! They see your weakness and where your beliefs are, then go to work! Teas want to be mad and blame someone and are not fact based! Fox uses this against the uninformed sheep! Now with this Daily crap, Beck’s site and the right hate rags, there will nothing but Fox that is correct! Look at what Fox is saying, are they the only one that can have a debate? While Beck and Fox are trying to scare you, THEY are the only network that is trying to control a 100% “tea right” spin!

timcajun said:
Teas want to be mad

Chamomile just went postal.

This is subtle:

Sen. Rand Paul (R-Kentucky) stood on the far right side of the Senate chamber

Tee Hee.

cockistan said:
Remember when Rush said he’d leave the country if the HCR bill got passed?

For medical care, dummy. Not for good.

WCinWI said:
Then quit whining and run for a political office. It’s funny when you have people whining about our system, yet if you ask them to get involved in the political process of actual leadership, they won’t.There is nothing wrong with our system. Do you see us looting? Do you see us burning down buildings and ruining businesses with fire? No. If the Left put out a radio product that the Left listened to, then they would survive. Just because one is Right or Left doesn’t mean there should be an outfit, unless it’s viable financially. Which is why NPR will be defunded publicly.

I take it you sell rose-colored glasses for a living? Or — following your own advice, are an elected official?

There’s plenty wrong with our system, and engaging in political debate (what you call ‘whining’) is part of the process of engaging with those problems and trying to effect change. I doubt you’d want everybody in the potential workforce to become a politician — i.e., shoot for a government job — that’d be socialism for sure.

The fact that there are no regime-changing riots in America right now only means that the people don’t think they’re necessary. However imperfectly, our system works well enough for the populace to continue cooperating. And we’re light years away from a revolution, despite the fondest wishes of the teabaggers.

Nevetheless complaints against the mainstream media are valid. Fox and its precursors and adherents have figured out how to make mass quantities of money by stoking fear and disaffection. One can deplore that, but it’s absolutely right up America’s alley to make a buck by giving the people what they want. Let’s not sully Murdoch’s achievement by pretending it’s something it’s not — like a news service providing a fair and balanced view of the world around us.

MSNBC has, to a lesser degree, tried to replicate the Fox model from a left of center base. Unsurprisingly, it doesn’t work as well because the tools of fear and disaffection don’t work as well left of center as they do on the right. High dudgeon and embarassment (the left of center’s primary tools) are just not as potent. In doing so, MSNBC has lost spent some credibility as a new source, but at least given the left-of-center some sort of visibility on cable news.

The other new outlets are neither particularly rightist or leftist, but they are most definitely the butt boys of their owners — who tend to the right (ownership has a well known rightist bias).

NPR is about as centrist as a network can get. It’s accused by the left of being gutless and by the right of being radical, which is a pretty good indication it’s succeeding on holding to the middle. And it’s perfectly appropriate for the government to support such organizations, just as it is the foundations for the Arts, for the Humanities, and the Smithsonian.

Politico has become very left wing…..I quit subscribing to them when the stories became the same old thing day after day.

mediadoubt said:
I take it you sell rose-colored glasses for a living? Or — following your own advice, are an elected official?

There’s plenty wrong with our system, and engaging in political debate (what you call ‘whining’) is part of the process of engaging with those problems and trying to effect change. I doubt you’d want everybody in the potential workforce to become a politician — i.e., shoot for a government job — that’d be socialism for sure.

The fact that there are no regime-changing riots in America right now only means that the people don’t think they’re necessary. However imperfectly, our system works well enough for the populace to continue cooperating. And we’re light years away from a revolution, despite the fondest wishes of the teabaggers.

Nevetheless complaints against the mainstream media are valid. Fox and its precursors and adherents have figured out how to make mass quantities of money by stoking fear and disaffection. One can deplore that, but it’s absolutely right up America’s alley to make a buck by giving the people what they want. Let’s not sully Murdoch’s achievement by pretending it’s something it’s not — like a news service providing a fair and balanced view of the world around us.

MSNBC has, to a lesser degree, tried to replicate the Fox model from a left of center base. Unsurprisingly, it doesn’t work as well because the tools of fear and disaffection don’t work as well left of center as they do on the right. High dudgeon and embarassment (the left of center’s primary tools) are just not as potent. In doing so, MSNBC has lost spent some credibility as a new source, but at least given the left-of-center some sort of visibility on cable news.

The other new outlets are neither particularly rightist or leftist, but they are most definitely the butt boys of their owners — who tend to the right (ownership has a well known rightist bias).

NPR is about as centrist as a network can get. It’s accused by the left of being gutless and by the right of being radical, which is a pretty good indication it’s succeeding on holding to the middle. And it’s perfectly appropriate for the government to support such organizations, just as it is the foundations for the Arts, for the Humanities, and the Smithsonian.

Too many falsehoods to event begin debate. I will simple state that no public funds should go to any news organization period. NPR is liberal. However, if I were to concede that they weren’t (which there’s too much data to prove otherwise), it still would be unnecessary for public funding of it, if even in small doses.

WCinWI said:
Too many falsehoods to event begin debate. I will simple state that no public funds should go to any news organization period. NPR is liberal. However, if I were to concede that they weren’t (which there’s too much data to prove otherwise), it still would be unnecessary for public funding of it, if even in small doses.

Oh and also, yes, I did intern in politics. Therefore I got involved at a deeper level. Debate is not debate when it’s yelling back and forth.

Oh and there was a regime change – it was called the November elections.

A simple click on Politico will prove how the have started to lean left. Maybe 4 years ago they were even, but no=t now.. Their Arena section alone has 10 to 1 libs vs conservatives. The breaking news today is bitching about the Koch brothers while no mention of Soros. Now the comment section maybe more consevative but thats the case most everywhere except the far left sites

I couldn’t agree more! Politico started out as non biased source but they have since turned hard toward the left. It’s sad really for a while there it seemed like there would be another source of good information. Now it’s just another outlet that will color stories to fit their own ideology.
All we need is the true story, we don’t need or want someone else’s opinion when it’s supposed to be a news story.

What’s so wrong about being loaded up with Lefties?

The irony.

Leftist Asshat said:
What’s so wrong about being loaded up with Lefties?

Nothing… as long as you’re honest about that fact that you’re doing it.

cockistan said:
Also, “our system” is flawed. I’d like to stay in this country and see that it’s fixed. Leaving the country would be the pussy’s way out. Remember when Rush said he’d leave the country if the HCR bill got passed? Total pussy move.

He NEVER said it, nice try though. Why do all you libs lie? Why do all of you hide behind phony names?

mediadoubt says:

Nevetheless complaints against the mainstream media are valid. Fox and its precursors and adherents have figured out how to make mass quantities of money by stoking fear and disaffection. One can deplore that, but it’s absolutely right up America’s alley to make a buck by giving the people what they want. Let’s not sully Murdoch’s achievement by pretending it’s something it’s not — like a news service providing a fair and balanced view of the world around us.

MSNBC has, to a lesser degree, tried to replicate the Fox model from a left of center base. Unsurprisingly, it doesn’t work as well because the tools of fear and disaffection don’t work as well left of center as they do on the right. High dudgeon and embarassment (the left of center’s primary tools) are just not as potent. In doing so, MSNBC has lost spent some credibility as a new source, but at least given the left-of-center some sort of visibility on cable news.

You’re right! MSNBC has went that direction, but Ed, Chris, etc. wouldn’t have a job if not for Fox! That whole line up, just shows where Fox has lied, past that, they wouldn’t have much of a show! What would be wrong with just saying they are the “tea party network”? All of the base would still watch! Coming clean wouldn’t hurt their dollar, but maybe their ego!

Pablo said:
For medical care, dummy. Not for good.

Shhhh, don’t try to explain it to him. They like to live in fantasyland.

POLITICO Obama Steno’s are JourNoListos!

Also of interest was Hewitt laughing at the fact that Politico and NBC are co-sponsoring the first Republican presidential primary debate. Given that Hewitt said MSNBC’s Chris Matthews cannot stop talking about Congresswoman Michele Bachmann, and given that he expects Bachmann to be a candidate for President, he requested that Republican candidates plan to boycott the Politico/NBC debate.

Watch the clip from Fox News below:

(h/t Media Matters)
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MediaMatters? .. . .(Snicker). . . . (Snicker)

BFD said:
Umm…there are more conservatives on MSNBC than there are liberals on Fox.

Morning Joe, Lawrence O’Donnell and Chris Mathews all have a steady supply of GOP lawmakers and pundits.
Fox gets a few salaried employees to represent the Left.

I would not know about conservatives on MSNBC. Back in the far distant past, when I watched that network, I remember that Pat Buchanan was on frequently. Are there any others?

As for lefties or other Democrats on FNC, O’Reilly and Hannity always have one or two on every show. Greta often does extended interviews with them. The panel on “Special Report” is almost always for Fox contributors of the left of right.

mediadoubt said:
And Hewit calls NBC the “hard left network” which is about as nonsensical as saying Fox is “fair and balanced.” .

Hewitt is certainly right about NBC — it’s so-called news people like Matt Lauer and Andrea Mitchell cannot help but present their left-wing views constantly. I know this because I hear about them from other sources, as I do not watch NBC. Or CBS or ABC or CNN. Or Fox, except when there’s a big news story, and then I go there first.

But I do not expect unbiased reporting from Diane Sawyer or Christiane Amanpour or George Stephanopoulos. Nor from Katie Couric or anyone else at CBS.

Is there room for a network that specializes in reporting the news, without bias? I don’t know.

sorry, “its” not “it’s”

cockistan said:
Remember when Rush said he’d leave the country if the HCR bill got passed?

He said no such thing moron. You really need to stop getting your news from MSNBC!

Pablo says:

For medical care, dummy. Not for good.

Spin baby spin, “Fox” has taught you well! When caught in a lie, say it didn’t happen and say the other guy is wrong!

Political use to be pretty good, I am a conservative and enjoyed reading them, started from the beginning use to see Johathon Martin, and others on Fox as guest mostly with Greta, even still get their emails everyday, then all of a sudden no more on Fox, never watch msnbc so I didn’t know thats where they went but when I read somewhere they are now part of msnbc that explained it all, their articles all slant to the left, so Doocy and Hewitt are so right, what do you expect going to to msnbc, the most far left liberal network, and why wyould they go there, they have no viewers, it is so funny to read sometimes here how msnbc is beating cnn and how their ratings are so good, compared to what, cnn? That is such a joke, FOX NEWS beats cnn and msnbc together most nights. Political is a left leaning blog now,which is sad, I know mediate leans left most of the time but they have some fair journalist also, just like it better.

Fox’s ratings are so good because Fox is the conservative’s dream channel. Any ‘liberals’ there are meek little lambs beaten down by conservatives. Fox is the ONLY place where the uber right can get their ears tickled. Liberals have more choices and therefore the ratings get spread around. MSNBC being ‘hard left’ is ridiculous. They are way more ‘fair and balanced’ than Fox. Their liberal evening hosts admit their position but still make a practice of using true and accurate information. Fox’s conservative hosts pretend to be balanced while promoting the FoxPac agenda. MSNBC doesn’t engage in extracurricular politics like FoxPac. MSNBC doesn’t have most of it’s correspondents as potential political candidates. MSNBC has been targeted by FoxPac because MSNBC calls them out on their partisan practices. If all you folks who trash talk everyone except Fox would be honest enough to watch all the networks we could have a discussion. Most of you watch Fox and only Fox. Low information folks. Take a chance. Watch it all with an open mind. Open mind, now there’s a novel concept usually not found with the far right.

WCinWI said:
Too many falsehoods to event begin debate. I will simple state that no public funds should go to any news organization period. NPR is liberal. However, if I were to concede that they weren’t (which there’s too much data to prove otherwise), it still would be unnecessary for public funding of it, if even in small doses.

“Too many falsehoods to . . . debate.” How lazy of you. Followed by a naked statement of principle with no justification beyond “because I say so.” How lazy of you.

Thanks, I’ve got a pigeonhole for that.

WCinWI said:
Oh and also, yes, I did intern in politics. Therefore I got involved at a deeper level. Debate is not debate when it’s yelling back and forth. Oh and there was a regime change – it was called the November elections.

You have a shockingly low threshhold for defining “regime change.” Did you watch the same election I did? I saw the junior house of the government pass from Dem hands to ‘Lican. Your hyperbole is showing a bit of a bulge.

Paladin says:

Fox’s ratings are so good because Fox is the conservative’s dream channel. Any ‘liberals’ there are meek little lambs beaten down by conservatives. Fox is the ONLY place where the uber right can get their ears tickled. Liberals have more choices and therefore the ratings get spread around. MSNBC being ‘hard left’ is ridiculous. They are way more ‘fair and balanced’ than Fox. Their liberal evening hosts admit their position but still make a practice of using true and accurate information. Fox’s conservative hosts pretend to be balanced while promoting the FoxPac agenda. MSNBC doesn’t engage in extracurricular politics like FoxPac. MSNBC doesn’t have most of it’s correspondents as potential political candidates. MSNBC has been targeted by FoxPac because MSNBC calls them out on their partisan practices. If all you folks who trash talk everyone except Fox would be honest enough to watch all the networks we could have a discussion. Most of you watch Fox and only Fox. Low information folks. Take a chance. Watch it all with an open mind. Open mind, now there’s a novel concept usually not found with the far right.

100% correct! Fox gives them very little information and only one side! Fox hopes they don’t look around and stay in that limited bubble! About all MSNBC does is give the other side! (that’s where you get the Fox liberal spin claim)
MSNBC gives news a little to the left of middle, then tells you with “facts” where “Fox” lied! Fox gives some news with 90% right spin!