Listening to some as who has the arrogance to be called “The Donald”

Hrmph!

Keep digging Donald, just keep digging.

I guess he realized, bashing Ron Paul was a bad idea.

Finally, I’m getting through!

Ok, Mediaite— New game: How many variations of the “Donald Trump questions Birth Certificate” story can you post??

A thousand thumbs up for anyone who recognizes this reference:

Trumpscore:

Trump on Obama: He’s a smart guy.

(no google-cheaters, please–we’re operating on the honor system).

Trump needs to watch Tropic Thunder. Never go full retard.

Obama spent millions of dollars trying to get away from this issue, millions of dollars in legal fees.

Nah, there’s “nothing to hide.”

Keep it up, Trump!

mibwilso said:
Ok, Mediaite— New game: How many variations of the “Donald Trump questions Birth Certificate” story can you post??

Not enough, pal! Keep ‘em coming Mediaite!

Ronald Rump (aka The Ronald) said:
Listening to some as who has the arrogance to be called “The Donald”

Hrmph!

Calling out the punk that goes: “Me? Show my birth certificate you?” “Hrmph”. I wish Trump would tell the audience how 0bama could have stepped up and saved a man from going to prison, by merely showing his long for BC.

But 0bama does not want to even open up that can of worms; the can with all his other carefully hidden documents. Go Donald. The anti-Soros!

Too bad O’Reilly’s too much of a coward to bring up the issue.

Love him or hate him (trump), and whether you believe Obambi was born here or on the moon really doesn’t matter anymore, the issue is now “He’s HIDING something” (Obama) and that can only hurt “His Hopiness”….

President Transparency is not going to fare well on this, as he did in 2008 because now there are two years of “cover-ups” on other stuff to cast doubt…

Robert Stephenson Hearts Mark Schultz said:
Too bad O’Reilly’s too much of a coward to bring up the issue.

He panders to the punk to get his interviews. Besides, just ask the sissies here how rude O’Reilly is to their idol.

Hey libs, does it bother you at all, that a terrorist admits he wrote Obama’s first book? I’m just curious at what point you say, ok, enough is enough with this guy?

Bill Ayers at MSU March 24, 2011

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfIZDYm0a54&feature=player_embedded

And Trump is going to spend at least $100million for the pleasure of finding out that he’s not as important as he thinks he is. This is the same guy who had a casino go bankrupt right?

ndanielson said:
Calling out the punk that goes: “Me? Show my birth certificate you?” “Hrmph”. I wish Trump would tell the audience how 0bama could have stepped up and saved a man from going to prison, by merely showing his long for BC.

But 0bama does not want to even open up that can of worms; the can with all his other carefully hidden documents. Go Donald. The anti-Soros!

Your favorite topic, the BC. ahh, your favorite topic, I bet you are all pumped up, ready to fire away. Show us the BC and the newspaper ad was a conspiracy that was made in 1961 to cover up the birth of a child born far away in Africa, who will one day be Mr. bloody President.

The main thrust should be: why is Obama playing hide-and-see\k with his birth certificate. What game is he playing?

Sean68 said:
The main thrust should be: why is Obama playing hide-and-see\k with his birth certificate. What game is he playing?

…just present it and shut these nuts up…come on…why not?

skyfet said:
Your favorite topic, the BC. ahh, your favorite topic, I bet you are all pumped up, ready to fire away. Show us the BC and the newspaper ad was a conspiracy that was made in 1961 to cover up the birth of a child born far away in Africa, who will one day be Mr. bloody President.

I’m pumped up, also, skypet, because it puts the spotlight on what a coward he was for letting a man twist in the wind over it, and that it highlights the other hidden documents of his past, that you seem to care nothing about at all. It shows what blind ethically and morally challenged sheep his followers are.

It is rather puzzling for someone to spend so much money on something they claim is so ridiculous?? I have no idea why but sounds like he has something – something extremely important to hide.

Liberal Tormentor said:
Hey libs, does it bother you at all, that a terrorist admits he wrote Obama’s first book? I’m just curious at what point you say, ok, enough is enough with this guy?

Bill Ayers at MSU March 24, 2011

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfIZDYm0a54&feature=player_embedded

You mean like Brigham Young dealt with Black members in your church? or perhaps he set up Militias against the US Army?

In this day and age they would be classified as Terrorist. Are you a Terrorist Michelle? when it comes down to it, will you join the USA or the church of Latter Day Saint movement.

ahh

I love how the right always says about Obama, “he’s not like us” but the Donald is with his bunch of kids with 3 different wives. lol

First of all, where did Trump get the “more than a billion dollars” number for what Libya has cost, thus far. Congress has started making some inquiries because that figure has been bandied about, but some quick back of the envelope accounting shows that it’s ridiculously high.

Also, he’s stuck with the “millions of dollars in legal fees”? Whom did the President pay these fees and toward what end? What case or inquiry was he defending against?

Trump admits again, he tossed the birther thing out on a whim and because it got him some attention, he’s stuck with it, but he also says every time something along the lines of “I’m starting to wonder myself”. IOW: He hadn’t really wondered before and combined with his other admissions, he hadn’t done any research before he tossed the bombshell out, but since it’s getting him airtime, he’s going to keep riding the horse.

A certified birth certificate is a very different animal than a Certificate of Live Birth (COLB) that was posted on the Internet and claimed as proof of birth in Hawaii. COLB’s are also noted in newspaper’s as births. Again, more nonsense. In all 57 states, there is only one standard for proof of birth and that is the Certificate Of Birth, certified and under seal. Stop the BS and obfuscation of fact and make the case of live birth by producing the document.

Liberal Tormentor said:
Hey libs, does it bother you at all, that a terrorist admits he wrote Obama’s first book? I’m just curious at what point you say, ok, enough is enough with this guy?

Bill Ayers at MSU March 24, 2011

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfIZDYm0a54&feature=player_embedded

Really?

For what was Mr. Ayers convicted, Michelle in Utah?

Please me very specific.

skyfet said:
You mean like Brigham Young dealt with Black members in your church? or perhaps he set up Militias against the US Army?

In this day and age they would be classified as Terrorist. Are you a Terrorist Michelle? when it comes down to it, will you join the USA or the church of Latter Day Saint movement.

ahh

But, skypet, your boy didn’t write his books, while leading all you little sheep to believe that he did.

Wow Sky, you can insert your hatred of Mormons into any thread. That’s impressive!! Now how about answering my question. Are you bothered that an admitted terrorist wrote Obama’s first book? And wait, I thought BO and Ayers didn’t “really” know each other.

Cisco said:
A certified birth certificate is a very different animal than a Certificate of Live Birth (COLB) that was posted on the Internet and claimed as proof of birth in Hawaii. COLB’s are also noted in newspaper’s as births. Again, more nonsense. In all 57 states, there is only one standard for proof of birth and that is the Certificate Of Birth, certified and under seal. Stop the BS and obfuscation of fact and make the case of live birth by producing the document.

To what moron do you attribute this conclusion?

What is required to get a Passport?

Who is a bigger thief here, someone help me. Ghaddafi a tyrant who took the wealth of the Libyan people for a number of years or Donald Trump who screwed him in one payment (didn’t deliver the service nor give back the cash).

Liberal Tormentor said:
Wow Sky, you can insert your hatred of Mormons into any thread. That’s impressive!! Now how about answering my question. Are you bothered that an admitted terrorist wrote Obama’s first book? And wait, I thought BO and Ayers didn’t “really” know each other.

Ayers was “just someone from his neighborhood.” Just another one of The Messiahs lies.

Cisco said:
A certified birth certificate is a very different animal than a Certificate of Live Birth (COLB) that was posted on the Internet and claimed as proof of birth in Hawaii. COLB’s are also noted in newspaper’s as births. Again, more nonsense. In all 57 states, there is only one standard for proof of birth and that is the Certificate Of Birth, certified and under seal. Stop the BS and obfuscation of fact and make the case of live birth by producing the document.

And was it the CIA that’s caused 9/11 or the NSA?

Liberal Tormentor said:
Wow Sky, you can insert your hatred of Mormons into any thread. That’s impressive!! Now how about answering my question. Are you bothered that an admitted terrorist wrote Obama’s first book? And wait, I thought BO and Ayers didn’t “really” know each other.

Why are you deflecting Michelle? your leader/founder was a racist and a terrorist, so are you all racists and terrorists?

Bringing up facts about Mormon is now considered as hatred, lol. You are losing it.

mibwilso said:
Ok, Mediaite— New game: How many variations of the “Donald Trump questions Birth Certificate” story can you post??

One for every time Trump brings it up. As always, Trump will do and say anything to get PR. And this is getting him loads of it.

Sean68 said:
The main thrust should be: why is Obama playing hide-and-see\k with his birth certificate. What game is he playing?

OK, let me try this. Every state in the union has gone to a computer generated document as a birth certificate. In fact, the Florida DMV recently rejected my long form original BC (raised seal and everything) in favor of the newly printed state issued Certificate of Live Birth. Like it or not this is the now accepted standard. Government issued and not the doctor generated original.

Liberal Tormentor said:
Hey libs, does it bother you at all, that a terrorist admits he wrote Obama’s first book? I’m just curious at what point you say, ok, enough is enough with this guy?

And this fits this topic how? Not saying it is not a good question, just wondering if it fits the topic at all. By the way, you might find that not having the word “tormentor” in your screen name might lend more credibility to your comments.

Magister says:

I’m curious. At what point did you become pro-war?

Liberal Tormentor said:
Wow Sky, you can insert your hatred of Mormons into any thread. That’s impressive!! Now how about answering my question. Are you bothered that an admitted terrorist wrote Obama’s first book? And wait, I thought BO and Ayers didn’t “really” know each other.

Actually, Brigham Young was a serial polygamist, murder, fraud and terrorist. But, I have to admit, George Washington was most decidedly a terrorist. I guess “terrorist” has something to do with the side you’re on.

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
Really?

For what was Mr. Ayers convicted, Michelle in Utah?

Please me very specific.

TrollofTexas, DunceofKnaves, he was a member of a terrorist group, unrepentant to this day. Do you really want to defend 0bama’s ties to him so readily, just to dazzle your followers with gotcha-type drivel?

Keeva,
The question is very relevent since, like the birth certificate issue is about BO’s credibility. Now since according to you it was a good question, how about answering it. Btw, I’m not a birther, but put all of these things together and it’s highly troubling, wouldn’t you agree?

ps, thanks for the advice about my screen name. I’ve thought about it and think I will keep it. I like tormenting libs with logic and facts.

Keeva says:

She has much more credibility than you do. It doesn’t matter what her “name” is.

ndanielson said:
But, skypet, your boy didn’t write his books, while leading all you little sheep to believe that he did.

I bet that is one of the hot discussions you have their on wnd and other Birther site. How many of their billboard or products have you paid for? wake up you are being used as a useful Idiot that you are.

This Trump/Fox connection is hot.

skyfet said:
I bet that is one of the hot discussions you have their on wnd and other Birther site. How many of their billboard or products have you paid for? wake up you are being used as a useful Idiot that you are.

Oh, the loon plays the “wnd” card! Didn’t see that one coming..

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
Actually, Brigham Young was a serial polygamist, murder, fraud and terrorist. But, I have to admit, George Washington was most decidedly a terrorist. I guess “terrorist” has something to do with the side you’re on.

Yes, and liberals are on the side of the enemy, always.

The phrase the enemy of my enemy is my friend is a proverb that advances the concept that someone who is the enemy of your enemy is therefore your friend. It further means that because two parties have a common enemy, one can use the other to advance their goals. Often described as an Arabic proverb, there is also an identical Chinese prover.

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
Actually, Brigham Young was a serial polygamist, murder, fraud and terrorist. But, I have to admit, George Washington was most decidedly a terrorist. I guess “terrorist” has something to do with the side you’re on.

You’re not going to post something from the 1800′s again? Bummer.

It is quote obvious that they is no father list on Barry’s BC and no country of birth.

You go, Donal Trump !!!! Special “thank you” for persuing this problem….and it IS a BIG problem ! If it weren’t for you this would have been swept under the rug like so many other things having to do with Obama.
OK–now OB, let’s see that birth certificate…..

@Robert Stephenson: I’m for truth, justice and the American way.

This includes asking why the media is letting Trump poison the national dialogue unchallenged, while he uses completely bogus and manufactured figures.

Robert Stephenson Hearts Mark Schultz said:
Oh, the loon plays the “wnd” card! Didn’t see that one coming..

Are you disassociating yourself from your Birther heroes? You should be proud of them, not embarrassed by them. You can take from them privately, but you are too ashamed to be linked with them publicly. Shame!

ndanielson said:
But, skypet, your boy didn’t write his books, while leading all you little sheep to believe that he did.

Neither did Palin or most other political figures. Get over it.

parents put birth announcements into the newspapers not hospitals. The parents can put whatever they want in those announcements.

notsofast said:
It is quote obvious that they is no father list on Barry’s BC and no country of birth.

What language is that?

Oh let me guess, Barn language.

skyfet said:
Why are you deflecting Michelle? your leader/founder was a racist and a terrorist, so are you all racists and terrorists?

Bringing up facts about Mormon is now considered as hatred, lol. You are losing it.

You know deflection, skypet. Hey, skypet, your boy didn’t write his books? LOL. Trump just brings up 0bama’s hidden past. Go Trump!

Obama spent millions? Man, he got ripped off. You can usually get a copy of your birth certificate for about ten bucks.

ndanielson said:
You know deflection, skypet. Hey, skypet, your boy didn’t write his books? LOL. Trump just brings up 0bama’s hidden past. Go Trump!

Wow, Politicians/Celebrities having Ghost writers is News for you. You sound like a current affair illiterate

writer said:
Obama spent millions? Man, he got ripped off. You can usually get a copy of your birth certificate for about ten bucks.

You’d think he’d have a copy of his thesis, if he wrote one, around the house, too.

If you’re a PRO-LIFER: you can’t be a BIRTHER

Let me tell you why:
Obama’s parents were married February 2nd, 1961 in Hawaii.Obama was born August 4th, 1961, meaning his mother was 3 months pregnant when she was married in Hawaii. Obama was in the United States as a fetus. Don’t you see, either Barack Obama is an American citizen or fetuses don’t count as people.

Keeva said:
Neither did Palin or most other political figures. Get over it.

She never led sheep to believe that she did. And her ghost writer wasn’t a former terrorist who hated, and still hates this country, and is unrepentant to this day. Oh, and sweetpea, he teaches his pathetic views of America to the youth of this country. Part of the blame America first crowd.

Robert Stephenson Hearts Mark Schultz said:
You’re not going to post something from the 1800’s again? Bummer.

All the Marys in Heaven, no! History teaches us nothing.

dip drip drip, Mr. President

ndanielson said:
TrollofTexas, DunceofKnaves, he was a member of a terrorist group, unrepentant to this day. Do you really want to defend 0bama’s ties to him so readily, just to dazzle your followers with gotcha-type drivel?

Since Michelle in Utah is in hiding, you answer. For what was Ayers convicted? Be very specific.

writer said:
Obama spent millions? Man, he got ripped off. You can usually get a copy of your birth certificate for about ten bucks.

Its your lucky day, writer, here is the birth certificate for nothing: http://factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

Bill Huggins said:
If you’re a PRO-LIFER: you can’t be a BIRTHER

Let me tell you why:
Obama’s parents were married February 2nd, 1961 in Hawaii.Obama was born August 4th, 1961, meaning his mother was 3 months pregnant when she was married in Hawaii. Obama was in the United States as a fetus. Don’t you see, either Barack Obama is an American citizen or fetuses don’t count as people.

Ok. That settles it, then.

skyfet said:
Who is a bigger thief here, someone help me. Ghaddafi a tyrant who took the wealth of the Libyan people for a number of years or Donald Trump who screwed him in one payment (didn’t deliver the service nor give back the cash).

Just ask any liberal. It would be Donald Trump. He’s a capitalist. Dummy.

Liberal Tormentor said:
Now since according to you it was a good question, how about answering it. Btw, I’m not a birther, but put all of these things together and it’s highly troubling, wouldn’t you agree?

I do agree that it is troubling, if true. While I am not a fan of guilt by association, I do have to question this one, mainly because Ayers boasts about his activities. What is most troubling about this one to me is Obama’s refusal to step away from Ayers in any way.

Robert Stephenson Hearts Mark Schultz said:
She has much more credibility than you do. It doesn’t matter what her “name” is.

Really? Why is that? Do you know either her or me? Can you back that up? Or is it just more bellicose noise from the fringe?

Bill Huggins said:
If you’re a PRO-LIFER: you can’t be a BIRTHER

Let me tell you why:
Obama’s parents were married February 2nd, 1961 in Hawaii.Obama was born August 4th, 1961, meaning his mother was 3 months pregnant when she was married in Hawaii. Obama was in the United States as a fetus. Don’t you see, either Barack Obama is an American citizen or fetuses don’t count as people.

They had to go to Kenya to do the African Marriage and for cheaper health care.

“people are calling Trump from all over to not back down on this issue”

Actually, i hope they don’t either. This works to the president’s favor to show how clownish the people on the right are.

P.S.
Isn’t it interesting that the day of the Mountain Meadows Massacre by terrorists was also September 11th?

skyfet said:
skyfet says:
March 28, 2011 at 11:17 am skyfet(Quote)

You are losing again, son.

LOL

ndanielson said:
Just ask any liberal. It would be Donald Trump. He’s a capitalist. Dummy.

So the kind of Capitalist that steals people’s pension (wall street, Bernie Madoff and co). It’s outstanding that you associate capitalism with fraud. Are you a fraud?

For what was Ayers convicted?

Yeah. OJ wasn’t convicted the first time either.

Wow, the spin on the London protests is quite amazing….makes protests about austerity cuts into a Tea Party-like protest, that is some fancy footwork!

same2u said:
“people are calling Trump from all over to not back down on this issue”

Actually, i hope they don’t either. This works to the president’s favor to show how clownish the people on the right are.

P.S.
Isn’t it interesting that the day of the Mountain Meadows Massacre by terrorists was also September 11th?

No, it’s “interesting” that the only “2″ people that bring that up are you “2.”

skyfet said:
hey had to go to Kenya to do the African Marriage and for cheaper health care.

Yeah, the witch doctors there charge a fortune, son!

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
Since Michelle in Utah is in hiding, you answer. For what was Ayers convicted? Be very specific.

No conviction, but Ayers boasts of his activities. Few terrorists are actually ever convicted in a court of law. Bin Laden hasn’t been. Hassan Nasrallah – Hezbollah’s leader – has not. Khaled Mashal – Hamas – has not. Arafat wasn’t. And so on.

If Ayers denied it, then your point would be well taken, but he does not.

Royal Dimwit says:

Since Michelle in Utah is in hiding, you answer. For what was Ayers convicted? Be very specific.

Um, I’m not hiding, I just don’t feel the need to respond to dimwits. OJ wasn’t convicted either, doesn’t mean he’s not a murderer. The fact that you won’t even admit he’s a terrorist speaks volumes.

notsofast said:
You are losing again, son.

LOL

It always amazes me why you remove the actual quote from your quote reference. Are you ashamed people will identify you as a moron?

Robert Stephenson Hearts Mark Schultz said:
No, it’s “interesting” that the only “2″ people that bring that up are you “2.”

To “bring up” means to originate. I simply replied to another comment that I found interesting.

skyfet said:
skyfet says:
March 28, 2011 at 11:30 am skyfet(Quote)

Say the loser. hahahaha

Sorry writer, didn’t see your OJ comment. Great minds think alike.

same2u said:
“people are calling Trump from all over to not back down on this issue”

Actually, i hope they don’t either. This works to the president’s favor to show how clownish the people on the right are.

P.S.
Isn’t it interesting that the day of the Mountain Meadows Massacre by terrorists was also September 11th?

I will take our chances. 01/20/13

skyfet said:
It always amazes me why you remove the actual quote from your quote reference

Son, your quotes are not worth repeating.

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
Since Michelle in Utah is in hiding, you answer. For what was Ayers convicted? Be very specific.

Of being an American hating, terrorist supporting liberal. Specific enough, TrollofTexas?
There has been a sudden spate of blog items and newspaper articles, mainly in the British press, linking Barack Obama to a former member of the radical Weather Underground Organization that claimed responsibility for a dozen bombings between 1970 and 1974. The former Weatherman, William Ayers, now holds the position of distinguished professor of education at the University of Illinois-Chicago. Although never convicted of any crime, he told the New York Times in September 2001, “I don’t regret setting bombs…I feel we didn’t do enough.”

Hey, TexasTroll, I believe the artcle clearly states that HE WAS CONVICTED OF NOTHING. But tell me how 0bama could be so stupid not to know of his radical past, yet at the same time knowing that Ayers could write? Be specific.

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/fact-checker/2008/02/obamas_weatherman_connection.html

notsofast said:
Yeah, the witch doctors there charge a fortune, son!

You would know because you were there to cure your madness.

Myself and many others support you, Mr. Trump, in your efforts to try to make Pres.? Obama show his REAL birth certificate. I had previously written my state congressman about this issue. If Obama has an official ORIGINAL birth certificate–then he should show it. It IS the right of the American people to know if he is a natural-born citizen. It is no longer a “personal” issue when you run (and win) for president of the United States. MAKE HIM SHOW IT OR MAKE HIM GET OUT!!!

skyfet said:
You would know because you were there to cure your madness.

No, son, I went there to view Barry’s BC!

Barry doesn’t know who his father was nor what country he was born in.

That is so sad. He should get welfare for that alone.

Bill Huggins said:
If you’re a PRO-LIFER: you can’t be a BIRTHER Let me tell you why:Obama’s parents were married February 2nd, 1961 in Hawaii.Obama was born August 4th, 1961, meaning his mother was 3 months pregnant when she was married in Hawaii. Obama was in the United States as a fetus. Don’t you see, either Barack Obama is an American citizen or fetuses don’t count as people.

And you’re a stupid ass !

LOL at the BRAIN POWER (or lack thereof) being wasted in this thread.

Soooooooo Funny. You guys are HILARIOUS

Keeva said:
No conviction, but Ayers boasts of his activities. Few terrorists are actually ever convicted in a court of law. Bin Laden hasn’t been. Hassan Nasrallah – Hezbollah’s leader – has not. Khaled Mashal – Hamas – has not. Arafat wasn’t. And so on.

If Ayers denied it, then your point would be well taken, but he does not.

I agree. TRRK is a terrorist sympathizer to the core.

Georgia999 said:
And you’re a stupid ass !

GREAT JOB disputing my point. LOLOLOLOLOL!!!!

Only liberal terrorists, Robert.

Enough with the constant Showtime pop-ups!!!!!!!!!

Nurse Jackie keeps popping up. King, give her a withering fashion critique so she’ll go away.

Why doesn’t ANY DOCTOR remember him being born?!?!

I mean: DIDN’T THEY KNOW that that little baby would over 40 years later become president?!? How come they didn’t know and REMEMBER such things?!?!

If The Donald were elected president, his family would bring a great deal of presence to the White House, especially his daughter Ivanka.

Comparing the beautiful Ivanka to the hapless and hopelessly butt-ugly Chelsea Clinton and Amy Carter is probably unfair, but the truth about presidential inspired beauty is in the progeny. I rest my case.

I believe Obama was born here, but I just wish he’d release his actual Birth Certificate, and not the Certification of live birth. Why won’t he. Just release it and let’s be done with this nonsense.

Bill Huggins said:
LOL at the BRAIN POWER (or lack thereof) being wasted in this thread.

Soooooooo Funny. You guys are HILARIOUS

You really “disputed the facts” here. ;)

Bill Huggins said:
Why doesn’t ANY DOCTOR remember him being born?!?!

I mean: DIDN’T THEY KNOW that that little baby would over 40 years later become president?!? How come they didn’t know and REMEMBER such things?!?!

Yeah, they thought so little of him, they didn’t even bother to fill out a BC!

That’s racism, is it not?

Robert Stephenson Hearts Mark Schultz said:
You’d think he’d have a copy of his thesis, if he wrote one, around the house, too.

I think the real embarrassment would be his LSAT scores. I’m betting 75th percentile, tops.

Bill Huggins said:
If you’re a PRO-LIFER: you can’t be a BIRTHER

Let me tell you why:
Obama’s parents were married February 2nd, 1961 in Hawaii.Obama was born August 4th, 1961, meaning his mother was 3 months pregnant when she was married in Hawaii. Obama was in the United States as a fetus. Don’t you see, either Barack Obama is an American citizen or fetuses don’t count as people.

Son, the fact the Barry’s mother was pregnant at the time she was married and Barry was born 6 months later does not make him an American.

Try again, son.

Bill Huggins said:
GREAT JOB disputing my point. LOLOLOLOLOL!!!!

You had no point, just a “smart ass” comment. Back at ya!

Robert Stephenson Hearts Mark Schultz said:
You really “disputed the facts” here. ;)

Fact is, there’s a bunch of racist know-nothings posting here. Nothing to dispute (except my point about ProLife Birthers).

But you guys SURE MAKE ME LAUGH

Bill Huggins said:
If you’re a PRO-LIFER: you can’t be a BIRTHER

Let me tell you why:
Obama’s parents were married February 2nd, 1961 in Hawaii.Obama was born August 4th, 1961, meaning his mother was 3 months pregnant when she was married in Hawaii. Obama was in the United States as a fetus. Don’t you see, either Barack Obama is an American citizen or fetuses don’t count as people.

It’s only your side that throws out the label Birther. I am an American citizen and I have reason to doubt my president’s word. On this issue and so so so many more. History will prove the truth in the end.

Liberal Tormentor said:
Enough with the constant Showtime pop-ups!!!!!!!!!

Yes, thay pop up on every net page. Annoying.

Bill, the racist card was maxed out a while ago, didn’t you hear? You’ll have to find a new line of attack for legitimate questions about Obama.

Sean68 said:
I think the real embarrassment would be his LSAT scores. I’m betting 75th percentile, tops.

By the way, embarrassing not just to Obama but to Harvard, too; hus the conspiracy of silence.

Bill Huggins said:
Fact is, there’s a bunch of racist know-nothings posting here. Nothing to dispute (except my point about ProLife Birthers).

But you guys SURE MAKE ME LAUGH

Oh, the “racist” card. Totally saw that one coming. ;)

Bill Huggins said:
Fact is, there’s a bunch of racist know-nothings posting here. Nothing to dispute (except my point about ProLife Birthers).

LOL

Ding! Ding! Ding! We have a winner!

Race card player finally reveals himself.

Bill Huggins said:
Fact is, there’s a bunch of racist know-nothings posting here. Nothing to dispute (except my point about ProLife Birthers).

But you guys SURE MAKE ME LAUGH

And you make me vomit a little bit in the back of my throat. But I will give you the right to believe an obvious radical and to be a radical. Just STFU

Sean68 said:
By the way, embarrassing not just to Obama but to Harvard, too; hus the conspiracy of silence.

Make that “thus”. Michelle already admitted she got in via affirmative action. Has Obama made such an admission?

Georgia999 said:
You had no point, just a “smart ass” comment. Back at ya!

You seem to shame Georgia as much as TexasTroll shames Texas. And Publius is an affront to the Founders every time he yaps here. Why do you liberals want to bring shame to great things so often?

Sean68 said:
Make that “thus”. Michelle already admitted she got in via affirmative action. Has Obama made such an admission?

He doesn’t have to.

As they say in the legal world “RES IPSA LOQUITUR.”

The question is – did he seal his college records because he was registered as a foreign student? And why does he have a Coneticut social security number? He NEVER lived there.

ndanielson said:
You seem to shame Georgia as much as TexasTroll shames Texas. And Publius is an affront to the Founders every time he yaps here. Why do you liberals want to bring shame to great things so often?

Pure Anti-American sentiment. Period.

I know why he hides his BC. It has him listed as female, or undetermined.

notsofast said:
He doesn’t have to. As they say in the legal world “RES IPSA LOQUITUR.”

LOL. But what does it say, Cicero? The guy’s mediocre!

ndanielson said:
I know why he hides his BC. It has him listed as female, or undetermined.

Well, he didn’t make it into “Who’s Who” but he is listed in “What’s That.”

This site has been fun but I am all done here with this new video intrusion every time you reload the page. Wake up or count your losses MEDIAITE!!

Harry Flashman said:
The question is – did he seal his college records because he was registered as a foreign student? And why does he have a Coneticut social security number? He NEVER lived there.

Now THAT is Very, very interesting….never knew that !

screwauger said:
This site has been fun but I am all done here with this new video intrusion every time you reload the page. Wake up or count your losses MEDIAITE!!

Just scroll down to below the ad.

azgrandma said:
It is rather puzzling for someone to spend so much money on something they claim is so ridiculous?? I have no idea why but sounds like he has something – something extremely important to hide.

May I interject that all that money spent is not Obasma’s money, It is out of the taxpayers pockets. The office of the president comes with lawyers fees paid….Please correct me if I’m wrong about this

screwauger said:
This site has been fun but I am all done here with this new video intrusion every time you reload the page. Wake up or count your losses MEDIAITE!!

Irritating and very annoying…..sorry to see you go..

WHarropson said:
May I interject that all that money spent is not Obasma’s money, It is out of the taxpayers pockets. The office of the president comes with lawyers fees paid….Please correct me if I’m wrong about this

You’re right. He also used taxpayer cash to seal records while he was voting “present” as a senator and planning his presidential campaign.

Georgia999 said:
Now THAT is Very, very interesting….never knew that !

Liberals are pretty dense to much of 0bama’s past. Most don’t know about his multiple SSN’s his admission records, grades, friendships, and to this day his preacher, his preacher’s connections to black theology, Louis Farrakhan, Father Pfleger, that 0bama’s have lost their licenses to practice law, Michelle’s hatred of America, her patient dumping, ties to Rezco, his love of socialism, his hatred of the Constitution, etc…just the little things that make him so great to liberals, anyway.

RealRoyalKing says . I have a nurse’s outfit too , Nurse Carmela , but I don’t wear it on every computer screen . And when you put it away , remember , No Wire Hangers !

notsofast said:
Race card player finally reveals himself.

hey, have you gone back here?
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/george-will-touchingly-eulogizes-geraldine-ferraro-as-instrument-of-identity-politics/comment-page-2/#comments

you need to read the rest of the thread.

Liberal Tormentor said:
Royal Dimwit says:
Since Michelle in Utah is in hiding, you answer. For what was Ayers convicted? Be very specific.
Um, I’m not hiding, I just don’t feel the need to respond to dimwits. OJ wasn’t convicted either, doesn’t mean he’s not a murderer. The fact that you won’t even admit he’s a terrorist speaks volumes.

It seems to me I heard that Ayers proclaimed something like: “Guilty as Hell and free as a bird!” walking out of his trial.

screwauger said:
And you make me vomit a little bit in the back of my throat. But I will give you the right to believe an obvious radical and to be a radical. Just STFU

LOL

What does this even mean?!?

LOlolololololol

We’re on the sixth page of comments and still no answer to my questions on page one;

Where did Trump get the billion dollar figure for what our Libya operations have cost, thus far?
To whom did the President pay these millions of dollars in legal fees and for what?

Why hasn’t anyone challenged him on these numbers?

screwauger said:
This site has been fun but I am all done here with this new video intrusion every time you reload the page. Wake up or count your losses MEDIAITE!!

huh? the video is doing something to you when you load the page?
not me…. i am using ad blocker with google chrome. does that make a dif?

ndanielson said:
Liberals are pretty dense to much of 0bama’s past. Most don’t know about his multiple SSN’s his admission records, grades, friendships, and to this day his preacher, his preacher’s connections to black theology, Louis Farrakhan, Father Pfleger, that 0bama’s have lost their licenses to practice law, Michelle’s hatred of America, her patient dumping, ties to Rezco, his love of socialism, his hatred of the Constitution, etc…just the little things that make him so great to liberals, anyway.

LOL. That’s quite a list there. Is it HARD keeping up with all the conspiracy theories?

Explain to me how they lost their law licenses. WITH CiTATION please.

Lololololololol

One thing about Trump…regardless if you hate or like him…..he is a very smart man. You would be a fool to think otherwise!!!!
He knows more about the birth certificate than he is leading on……he would not risk his billion dollar reputation by bringing this hot topic issue up unless he has some answers to the question…..which he explains in his book “The Art Of The Deal”.
If he does decide to run you can bet your bottom dollar that he will be in it to win and that means he will already have what it takes to bring Obama down.

Only a fool wouldn’t take Donald serious if does decide to run!!!

btw, that is assuming Obama is even going to run…he hasn’t announced it yet.

Magister said:
Where did Trump get the billion dollar figure for what our Libya operations have cost, thus far?

US cost of Libya war may exceed $1 billion as mission creeps

Bill Jennings March 23, 2011
US cost of Libya war may exceed $1 billion as mission creepsSince the cost of a Libyan no-fly zone was estimated, the U.N. coalition has extended the mission to attacking ground forces. Image: CC mashleymorgan/Flickr

Details about the cost of the Libya war to the U.S. began to emerge as the intervention launched by a U.N. coalition against Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi concluded its fifth day. With a military budget under stress from two wars, the initial cost of Operation Odyssey Dawn to the U.S. is estimated to approach $1 billion. The U.S. cost of the Libya war is being drawn from money set aside each year for emergency military action and humanitarian relief, but a prolonged conflict may require the Pentagon to request emergency funding from Congress.
Estimate of Libyan war costs destined to increase

The cost of establishing a no-fly zone over Libya was initially estimated at somewhere between $500 million and $1 billion in a report issued by the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments, an independent policy research institute.

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Magister said:
Where did Trump get the billion dollar figure for what our Libya operations have cost, thus far?

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=how+much+is+libya+mission+costing%3F

Cost for U.S. in Libya races toward $1B mark
U.S.-led operation costing hundreds of millions and counting; Will operation continue for weeks, months or more?

(CBS/AP) Updated 12:54 p.m. ET
WASHINGTON – Stretched thin by two wars, the U.S. military is spending upward of $1 billion in an international assault to destroy Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi’s air defenses and save rebels from likely defeat, according to analysts and a rough calculation of the military operation so far.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/03/23/501364/main20046134.shtml

@notsofast & @sarainitaly

There have been some estimates circulating that our Libya operations could cost up to a billion dollars, but as the WaPo article about Congressional inquires noted (which I linked in my initial comment); The “experts” estimate that it could cost between $30m and $100m a week, while Trump claims that we’ve already spent a billion dollars, thus far.

There’s nothing to indicate that this has any foundation in fact, including your quotes and links.

screwauger said:
Pure Anti-American sentiment. Period.

You people are so psychologically out of whack it’s a little distressing. As your side calls the president a foreigner and claims he’s lying about where he was born, to steal the presidency, you call OTHERS anti-American? You’re saying our president is a fraud and yet.. you claim WE are the ones against America?

People like you are the pathetic little followers that help prop up dictators. The entire Tea Party is a bunch of pathetic losers who think they know what the founding fathers wanted.. but really are just a bunch of selfish greedy ****s.

Trump is smart though and realizes that all you have to do to be the head of the Republicans now, is be loud and a Tea Bagger. Donald Trump worked in NYC, he doesn’t believe any of this crap, it’s hilarious to watch you sheep follow along though.

Magister said:
Magister says:
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@notsofast & @sarainitaly

And there is nothing to prove Barry was born in America.

Try again, you Barry apologist.

Magister said:
Where did Trump get the billion dollar figure for what our Libya operations have cost, thus far?

You asked where Trump got his figures, son, and we provided it.

Next?

Magister said:
To whom did the President pay these millions of dollars in legal fees and for what?

Perkins Coie law firm, Obama for America legal fees, and some of the lawsuits filed.

http://query.nictusa.com/pres/2010/Q1/C00431445/B_PAYEE_C00431445.html

http://citizenwells.com/2010/05/22/obama-eligibility-lawsuits-perkins-coie-law-firm-obama-for-america-april-2010-payouts-obama-not-natural-born-citizen-perkins-coie-represents-obama/

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=90843

Snowspot said:
Donald Trump worked in NYC, he doesn’t believe any of this crap, it’s hilarious to watch you sheep follow along though.

He says as much in the clip. He’s only “starting to wonder”.
It’s a ploy for attention and it’s as good or better than anything Paris Hilton has ever done.

Magister said:
The “experts” estimate that it could cost between $30m and $100m a week, w

Those experts are from the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments which also said the cost of establishing a no-fly zone over Libya was initially estimated at somewhere between $500 million and $1 billion .

Magister said:
@notsofast & @sarainitaly

There have been some estimates circulating that our Libya operations could cost up to a billion dollars, but as the WaPo article about Congressional inquires noted (which I linked in my initial comment); The “experts” estimate that it could cost between $30m and $100m a week, while Trump claims that we’ve already spent a billion dollars, thus far.

There’s nothing to indicate that this has any foundation in fact, including your quotes and links.

Did you read the CBS article I linked to?

Zack Cooper, an analyst with the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments, said Wednesday that the initial cost of the operation was between $400 million and $800 million and the weekly expense was likely $30 million to $100 million.

Bill Huggins said:
LOL. That’s quite a list there. Is it HARD keeping up with all the conspiracy theories?

Explain to me how they lost their law licenses. WITH CiTATION please.

Lololololololol

Why, sweetpea, that is the mystery. http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/lawlicenses.asp

Why did Michelle Obama give up her license to practice law in 1993?

Records at the Attorney Registration and Disciplinary Commission of the Supreme Court of Illinois list her status as “voluntarily inactive and not authorized to practice law.”

It further states that Michelle license is “on court ordered inactive status.”

The statement has many bloggers wondering why a court would issue an order to stop Michelle Obama from practicing law, and some have even suggested the first lady may have been facing allegations of misconduct.

Read more: What happened to Michelle Obama’s law license? http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=105998#ixzz1HubnN4rW

I mean she had just spent a fortune on a juris doctor degree from Princeton, and surrendered it 5 seconds before the state of Illinois was going to take it from her. You tell us, sweetpea?

As for Barry, you decide:

Barack Hussein Obama’s Law License – Missing in action??
Posted by Chris..

I came across a post that mentioned that Barack Hussein Obama had given up his license to practice law for some reason. I apologize that I lost track of the original post. That poster mentioned that it was odd that Obama would have given up his law license since it did provide a good income.

So if you go to the Illinois Lawyer search and search for Obama, you get

Barack Hussein Obama and under “Authorized to practice” there is a “NO”. Ditto for Michelle.

If you click on Barack Hussein Obama, you then get some details.

One section reads

Illinois Registration Status:
Voluntarily inactive and not authorized to practice law – Last Registered Year: 2008

So, the question is, why would Obama give up his license and ability to practice law?? It just doesn’t make much sense. Of course, the ‘investigatice journalists’ in the lamestream media would never look into this.

Also, let’s take a look at the wanna be first lady, old smiley face herself..

First off, we have

Illinois Registration Status:
Voluntarily inactive and not authorized to practice law – Last Registered Year: 1993

Ok, that says “voluntarily inactive” HOWEVER, the next section says

Malpractice Insurance: (Current as of date of registration;consult attorney for further information)
No malpractice report required as attorney is on court ordered inactive status.

Any clues out there as to why a court would order Michelle Obama to be inactive?? It would be nice to know why a potential first lady has apparently had her ability to practice law yanked by a court somewhere.

The last section reads

Public Record of Discipline and Pending Proceedings:
None

Well, that isn’t surprising. My experience is that lawyers tend to look after their own and not air their dirty laundry except when it is absolutely necessary. I did some check of the Google news archives searching for a clue as to why a court banned Michelle Obama from practicing Law or why Barryo gave up his license in 2008.

H/T: Kathy Mendla

The lovely Mrs . Ayers :

” Who is Bernadine Dohrn? She’s the prominent Chicago hostess who held Barack Obama’s very first fundraiser at her lovely home. She’s also a former member of the FBI’s 10 Most Wanted list, an underground fugitive for ten years, and a domestic terrorist whose affection for violence is so deep that she publicly praised Charles Manson’s famous murder spree…with particularly vivid appreciation for Manson’s mutilation of the corpses.
Lately, Dohrn’s husband and fellow terrorist, Bill Ayers, has been getting all the attention for his multiple connections with Obama. But Bernadine is a pretty piece of work, too. Her resumé includes the bombings of the U.S. Capitol on March 1, 1971, the Pentagon on May 19, 1972, and the home of New York State Supreme Court Justice Murtagh on February 21, 1970.

But perhaps nothing showcases Dohrn’s lust for violence like the comments she made about the Manson murders in December 1969. Charles Manson and his harem of drug-addled hippie chicks had shocked the nation by their massacre of actress Sharon Tate, who was 8 ½ months pregnant, three of Tate’s friends, and supermarket executive Leno LaBianca and his wife, Rosemary. Dohrn approved, speechifying in front of 400 people:

“Dig it! First they killed those pigs and then they put a fork in their bellies. Wild!”

http://www.nopc.info/forum/showthread.php?t=32399

Well, you have to hand it to the bingo callers on Fox and Friends and Trump himself. Until the GOP sorts through the mess of Bachman-like traffic wrecks and finds a real candidate, Fox and the Trumps of the U.S. will make FEAR the GOP candidate. So, yes Donald and yes Fox and Friends this whole plot was hatched in Africa in the 1920′s. Generations later millions of stupid fellow Americans never discovered this incredible plot to place into the White House a chosen muslim man who will spread Sharīʿah شريعة‎ from state to state, ban christianity and have every woman in the U.S. including my wife and your wife in a burka and having us all stop and listen for the adhān 5 times a day so we can all pray. I mean how did we all miss the incredible plot up until now? Thank God the Donald has uncovered what no one has been able up until now. And if the GOP thinks Obama is as stupid as they let on, how on earth did this plot hatch and this guy make it all the way to the White House without any of you intelligent GOP-ers detecting back in the 50′s when it was about to happen? Where was the CIA, where were the Marines? You people and the bingo callers on Fox make me laugh my rear end off. Fear. All you have it fear , oh and Palin-Bachman.

Cisco said:
Comparing the beautiful Ivanka to the hapless and hopelessly butt-ugly Chelsea Clinton and Amy Carter is probably unfair, but the truth about presidential inspired beauty is in the progeny. I rest my case.

dude, not cool. no need to beat up on children of pols.

@Sarainitaly: Your WND link is dated March of ’09, so I assume the FEC report dated April of 2010 includes all the work done on the WND list. This brings us back around to the fact that $261k is not “millions of dollars”.

@Notsofast: Again, I’m sure that over time the Libya costs could approach and maybe even surpass a billion dollars, but Trump claims that we’ve already spent that amount and it’s not true.

Magister said:
He says as much in the clip. He’s only “starting to wonder”.
It’s a ploy for attention and it’s as good or better than anything Paris Hilton has ever done.

Only Trump wasn’t born a spoiled little rich boy dabbling in cocaine, sex tapes and showing a skinny a$$ all over the internet for attention. Trump drew much more attention for being rich by his own creation. See any difference?

The REAL issue is about, What is Obama Hididng? He is a citizen whether he was born in Kenya or here. Here is the statute that covers it. Now get over the citizenship issue.

Statute, by parentageUnder certain circumstances, U.S. citizenship can be acquired from one’s parents. The following conditions affect children born outside the U.S. and its outlying possessions to married parents (special conditions affect children born out of wedlock: see below):[5]

If both parents are U.S. citizens, the child is a citizen if either of the parents has ever lived in the U.S. prior to the child’s birth
If one parent is a U.S. citizen and the other parent is a U.S. national, the child is a citizen if the U.S. citizen parent has lived in the U.S. for a continuous period of at least one year prior to the child’s birth
If one parent is a U.S. citizen and the other parent is not, the child is a citizen if
the U.S. citizen parent has been “physically present”[6] in the U.S. before the child’s birth for a total period of at least five years, and
at least two of those five years were after the U.S. citizen parent’s fourteenth birthday.

The issue is now why is Obama hiding his birth certificate? Why doesn’t he have anybody that remembers him? Why is he hiding his grades?
Obama is a liar and he can not be trusted. There is NO right of privacy for a candidate for president.
The same clowns that are protecting the Obama “privacy” didn’t think the Bush military records were private. They didn’t think anything Bush did was private.
When ALL of his National Guard records were released they didn’t believe them. They just kept repeating the same lies over and over.
They have got no right to whine about the questions to Obama.

Magister said:
@Notsofast: Again, I’m sure that over time the Libya costs could approach and maybe even surpass a billion dollars, but Trump claims that we’ve already spent that amount and it’s not true.

Wrong!

“The cost of establishing a no-fly zone over Libya was initially estimated at somewhere between $500 million and $1 billion in a report issued by the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments, an independent policy research institute.”

It is so unfortunate in this day and age that some people can not read, son.

ndanielson said:
Only Trump wasn’t born a spoiled little rich boy dabbling in cocaine, sex tapes and showing a skinny a$$ all over the internet for attention. Trump drew much more attention for being rich by his own creation. See any difference?

I don’t want to get in a back and forth, but I don’t see a big difference between Paris Hilton and Donald Trump. Both have effectively used media to build and capitalize on their personal brands.

Trump’s most recent stunt is just another cog in his publicity machine, which has benefited him greatly, not only because it adds a certain mystique to his properties and helps with his television career, but he’s alway ridden his name into a few sweetheart deals.

Robert Stephenson Hearts Mark Schultz said:
I agree. TRRK is a terrorist sympathizer to the core.

I did not say that TRRK was a terrorist sympathizer. Seriously, stop extrapolating comments to fit your opinion. It is sad and very much like the trash that Michael Moore and Andrew Breitbart spew.

Snowspot said:
People like you are the pathetic little followers that help prop up dictators.

Can’t really have dictators if we have a Constitution, can we, snowpet? That is why your boy hates it so. And we’ve already proven how stupid you are when it comes to the US Constitution. Liberals have no concept of how that made America great until liberalism began its constant onslaught to bastardize it. They cannot really grasp how that simple little document is all that separates us from impending and eventual tyranny by a dictatorial government, huh, skypet?

Trump is asking a question that is on alot of people’s minds. It’s very simple. You either have a birth certificate, or not. The Constitution is quite clear; you must be born here to occupy the office of President. If those who disagree have nothing more than racial accusations and childish name calling in reply, enough said.

As for Obama who refuses to answer the question……Often the simplist answer is the best answer. Me thinks he doth protest too much.

PS For those of you who will call me a racist and other unkind names, the last line above was coined by someone else. So were clear.

ndanielson said:
Why, sweetpea, that is the mystery. http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/lawlicenses.asp

I mean she had just spent a fortune on a juris doctor degree from Princeton, and surrendered it 5 seconds before the state of Illinois was going to take it from her. You tell us, sweetpea?

As for Barry, you decide:

H/T: Kathy Mendla

So, you convienantly leave out the Snopes that says this is all false. LOL

Typical and HILARIOUS

It’s a LAMEStREAM CONSPIRACY!!!!!!!!

dmreiter said:
Trump is asking a question that is on alot of people’s minds. It’s very simple. You either have a birth certificate, or not. The Constitution is quite clear; you must be born here to occupy the office of President. If those who disagree have nothing more than racial accusations and childish name calling in reply, enough said.

You asked for a birth certificate? Here is is: http://factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

sarainitaly said:
dude, not cool. no need to beat up on children of pols.

I agree. Spouses and children are not really fair game. Sadly, many of the newly self labeled conservatives feel that there are no limits to who they attack or why, as long as it allows them an insult.

Magister said:
I don’t want to get in a back and forth, but I don’t see a big difference between Paris Hilton and Donald Trump. Both have effectively used media to build and capitalize on their personal brands.

Trump’s most recent stunt is just another cog in his publicity machine, which has benefited him greatly, not only because it adds a certain mystique to his properties and helps with his television career, but he’s alway ridden his name into a few sweetheart deals.

And I cannot see how 0bama’s ideal of socialism is much different than Karl Marx’s, can you? And we know where Marx’s led. Or do you???

notsofast said:
“The cost of establishing a no-fly zone over Libya was initially estimated at somewhere between $500 million and $1 billion in a report issued by the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments, an independent policy research institute.”

SarainItaly’s link quotes someone from that same thinktank as saying the initial cost was between $300m and $800m, while the WaPo piece (which also uses the $30-$100m a week number) says that the ships were already in the area, so one wonders if the “initial costs” include those costs that had already been spent along with the sailor’s salaries, a fixed expense.

You’ve given me an unlinked top figure of $1b, but everything else says it’s lower.

Can just ONE of you PROCHOICE BIRtHERS please explain to me the WHOLE PROCHOICE BIRTHER conspiracy?

I need a good laugh and Glenn Beck’s not on Tv for a few hours.

ndanielson said:
Only Trump wasn’t born a spoiled little rich boy dabbling in cocaine, sex tapes and showing a skinny a$$ all over the internet for attention. Trump drew much more attention for being rich by his own creation. See any difference?

Trump is and has been a reality tv show personality for some time now. Clearly this current forray into politics is a promotional stunt. And so far, free, Trump’s favorite kind.

valkyrie101 said:
You asked for a birth certificate? Here is is: http://factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

Try again, son.

Who was the doctor? What was the name of the hospital? Signature stamp in 2007?

LOL

Barry was born in 1961.

ndanielson said:
And I cannot see how 0bama’s ideal of socialism is much different than Karl Marx’s, can you? And we know where Marx’s led. Or do you???

So, you study Marx? I find that shocking.

mibwilso said:
Ok, Mediaite— New game: How many variations of the “Donald Trump questions Birth Certificate” story can you post??

The liberal media will flog this horse as long as they can. But it’s already a dead horse. They want to portray this piece of paper in Hawaii as the “big conservative issue.” But they won’t run stories on the real issue that is deadly to Obama — out-of-control spending in the midst of $14 trillion in federal debt and more than a $100 trillion in unfunded future liabilities. That’s what voters are really angry about. But not a whisper on Mediaite or MSNBC or CNN or the New York Times or CBS News about that HUGE issue. They won’t touch it. They run from it the way Superman runs from Kryptonite.

Instead, they would rather pretend that criticisms of this failed administration amount to a tiny piece of paperwork in Hawaii. It won’t work, and if the Left continues to avoid engaging on big issues, they will get hammered in the 2012 election just like they did in the 2010 election.

Trump says: “He brought it up routinely but now there are facts emerging….”

This is really the point here. I too, as much as I dispise this president, ignored and couldn’t care about this whole issue. But kinda like Saddam with his wmd’s, BO is childishly acting like he has something to hide and naturally it’s bringing lots of attention. Whether Saddam had them or not, we all know it didn’t work out well for him. My last visual of him he was dangling from a rope.

I think BO id going to regret it if he keeps trying to sweep this under a rug.

Magister said:
SarainItaly’s link quotes someone from that same thinktank as saying the initial cost was between $300m and $800m, while the WaPo piece (which also uses the $30-$100m a week number) says that the ships were already in the area, so one wonders if the “initial costs” include those costs that had already been spent along with the sailor’s salaries, a fixed expense. You’ve given me an unlinked top figure of $1b, but everything else says it’s lower.

1.5 million per tomahawk missile

Magister said:
You’ve given me an unlinked top figure of $1b, but everything else says it’s lower.

You lose.

US cost of Libya war may exceed $1 billion

Bill Jennings March 23, 2011
US cost of Libya war may exceed $1 billionSince the cost of a Libyan no-fly zone was estimated, the U.N. coalition has extended the mission to attacking ground forces. Image: CC mashleymorgan/Flickr

Details about the cost of the Libya war to the U.S. began to emerge as the intervention launched by a U.N. coalition against Libyan leader Moammar Gadhafi concluded its fifth day. With a military budget under stress from two wars, the initial cost of Operation Odyssey Dawn to the U.S. is estimated to approach $1 billion. The U.S. cost of the Libya war is being drawn from money set aside each year for emergency military action and humanitarian relief, but a prolonged conflict may require the Pentagon to request emergency funding from Congress.
Estimate of Libyan war costs destined to increase

The cost of establishing a no-fly zone over Libya was initially estimated at somewhere between $500 million and $1 billion in a report issued by the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments, an independent policy research institute. The report said the initial cost of the missiles and bombs required to neutralize Gadhafi’s air defense sites could run from $400 million to $800 million. Enforcing a no-fly zone after that could cost between $30 million and $100 million a week, primarily in fuel. Since those initial estimates, the coalition has extended the mission from a no-fly zone to targeting ground forces along Libya’s coastline as Gadhafi continues to take the fight to the rebels.”

http://www.newsytype.com/5055-cost-of-libya-war-mission-creep/

And your question son, is where did Trump get his figures and this is where he got ‘em. So you lose when you intimate he made them up.

Bill Huggins said:
So, you convienantly leave out the Snopes that says this is all false. LOL

Typical and HILARIOUS

It’s a LAMEStREAM CONSPIRACY!!!!!!!!

You don’t know how to read anything you don’t want to read that ruins your Camelot view of 0bama???! Snopes even says they have NO licenses. Are you dense? You remain ignorant by choice. Tell me if that doesn’t make you stupid as well. http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/lawlicenses.asp

felixw said:
The liberal media will flog this horse as long as they can. But it’s already a dead horse. They want to portray this piece of paper in Hawaii as the “big conservative issue.” But they won’t run stories on the real issue that is deadly to Obama — out-of-control spending in the midst of $14 trillion in federal debt and more than a $100 trillion in unfunded future liabilities. That’s what voters are really angry about. But not a whisper on Mediaite or MSNBC or CNN or the New York Times or CBS News about that HUGE issue. They won’t touch it. They run from it the way Superman runs from Kryptonite. Instead, they would rather pretend that criticisms of this failed administration amount to a tiny piece of paperwork in Hawaii. It won’t work, and if the Left continues to avoid engaging on big issues, they will get hammered in the 2012 election just like they did in the 2010 election.

Exactly right, great post.

For the record, this is the 7th article Mediaite has run this month on Donald Trump’s views about the President’s birth certificate.

By comparison, no story has been published here about MSNBC’s parent company paying zero dollars in US taxes last year. No story has been published here about MSNBC’s parent company receiving $16 billion in secret bailout money from the Federal Reserve.

What a sad state of affairs for Mediaite — which churns out liberal fluff of the most ephemeral kind, meanwhile hiding huge stories for reasons about which we can only speculate.

valkyrie101 said:
So, you study Marx? I find that shocking.

Know thy enemy. Those who fail to learn from failed history are doomed to repeat it. No wonder you follow 0bama. That you don’t understand either of these axioms, I don’t find shocking at all. You prove it every time you post, as do your fellow sheep. LOL. Wow.

valkyrie101 said:
So, you study Marx? I find that shocking.

Why would you post this? What is your point?

@notsofast: I realize that it may be a question of semantics, but I’m not questioning whether the “US cost of Libya war may exceed $1 billion” because it easily could. My question was where Trump got the idea that “we’ve spent over a billion dollars so far on that war”… “we’ve spent over a billion dollars already” which is what he says starting at the forty second mark in the clip

Magister said:
My question was where Trump got the idea that “we’ve spent over a billion dollars so far on that war”… “we’ve spent over a billion dollars already” which is what he says starting at the forty second mark in the clip

“The cost of establishing a no-fly zone over Libya was initially estimated at somewhere between $500 million and $1 billion in a report issued by the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments, an independent policy research institute.”

case closed.

ndanielson said:
valkyrie101 said:
So, you study Marx? I find that shocking.

Know thy enemy. Those who fail to learn from failed history are doomed to repeat it. No wonder you follow 0bama. That you don’t understand either of these axioms, I don’t find shocking at all. You prove it every time you post, as do your fellow sheep. LOL. Wow.

Oh and you’re the Econ major,!? LOL. WOW!

Magister said:
@Sarainitaly: Your WND link is dated March of ‘09, so I assume the FEC report dated April of 2010 includes all the work done on the WND list. This brings us back around to the fact that $261k is not “millions of dollars”.

seriously, man. do i have to do all the work for you? The 2009 number was at $1.7M, the new link from Obama for America has an additional $261K, on top of the $1.7M already spent. You can look into it for yourself. I have no idea, I just googled.

http://query.nictusa.com/pres/

http://www.wnd.com/index.php?fa=PAGE.view&pageId=114202

ndanielson said:
You don’t know how to read anything you don’t want to read that ruins your Camelot view of 0bama???! Snopes even says they have NO licenses. Are you dense? You remain ignorant by choice. Tell me if that doesn’t make you stupid as well. http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/lawlicenses.asp

This link you supplied says that BOTH OBAMA’S HAVE LAW LICENSES that are on “inactive” status. It doesnt say that they DO NOT have law licenses. You say you are able to read, but can you also COMPREHEND?

LOLOLOLOL

Magister said:
Where did Trump get the billion dollar figure for what our Libya operations have cost, thus far?

“Estimates are that about $1 billion has already been spent on an undeclared war in Libya,” said Sen. Richard Lugar (R-Indiana), a respected GOP voice on foreign policy.

“Some would say only hundreds of millions,” Lugar said on NBC’s “Meet The Press,” “but who knows how long this goes on.”

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/world/2011/03/28/2011-03-28_droppin_bombs__bigtime_bucks_in_libya_mission_nears_1_billion_yet_nation_is_litt.html?r=news/politics

I’d assert that this is where the number came from .
A potential politician used a number / poll that supported his postion . SHOCKER !!!!!!!!!!!!

Magister said:
@notsofast: I realize that it may be a question of semantics, but I’m not questioning whether the “US cost of Libya war may exceed $1 billion” because it easily could. My question was where Trump got the idea that “we’ve spent over a billion dollars so far on that war”… “we’ve spent over a billion dollars already” which is what he says starting at the forty second mark in the clip

they said the initial costs from the get go it was between $4/500 – $800M/1B, with an additional $30-$100M a week. What aren’t you getting?

The cost of establishing a no-fly zone over Libya was initially estimated at somewhere between $500 million and $1 billion in a report issued by the Center for Strategic and Budgetary Assessments, an independent policy research institute. The report said the initial cost of the missiles and bombs required to neutralize Gadhafi’s air defense sites could run from $400 million to $800 million. Enforcing a no-fly zone after that could cost between $30 million and $100 million a week, primarily in fuel.

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2011/03/23/501364/main20046134.shtml

Bill Huggins said:
Can just ONE of you PROCHOICE BIRtHERS please explain to me the WHOLE PROCHOICE BIRTHER conspiracy? I need a good laugh and Glenn Beck’s not on Tv for a few hours.

Yeah sure meathead.

Your BO is acting irresponsible. If he was a true leader that respected his peoples concerns, he would realize that many factors lead to this unique circumstance. We are at war with an extreme, determined, evil and very capabale enemy. It DOES NOT MATTER how large or small the element within Islam that we are fighting is. ALL THAT MATTERS is that it exist!

BO spent some of his past in muslim countries and practicing islam. If people who are aware of these basics, that we’re at war and the threat is real, would feel better simply knowing more about their president, would feel better, then the burden really falls on the president to take the lead and squash this issue.

There is no room for nor is this the time for childish “I dont want to show you,” acts.

This can be expanded on greatly, but i’ll await further stupidity from you. I know i’ve already wasted my time.

RERUN for those that missed it. It doesn’t matter where Obama was born, he is a citizen.
The LAW…….

If one parent is a U.S. citizen and the other parent is not, the child is a citizen if
the U.S. citizen parent has been “physically present”[6] in the U.S. before the child’s birth for a total period of at least five years, and
at least two of those five years were after the U.S. citizen parent’s fourteenth birthday.

The issue is now why is Obama hiding his birth certificate? Why doesn’t he have anybody that remembers him? Why is he hiding his grades?
Obama is a liar and he can not be trusted. There is NO right of privacy for a candidate for president.
The same clowns that are protecting the Obama “privacy” didn’t think the Bush military records were private. They didn’t think anything Bush did was private.
When ALL of his National Guard records were released they didn’t believe them. They just kept repeating the same lies over and over.
They have got no right to whine about the questions to Obama.

valkyrie101 said:
You asked for a birth certificate? Here is is: http://factcheck.org/elections-2008/born_in_the_usa.html

As I said the other day:

my mom has never seen her original birth certificate – it is sealed, and she has to obtain a lawyer to view it. She was adopted and the original BC was sealed, and she was issued a new one that has my grandparents listed as her parents. She found out at 45 that she was actually adopted. She obtained a passport and all of her documents using her official BC, but not her REAL birth certificate.

So, I think if Obama was adopted by Lolo Soetoro, which I think is a safe assumption based on his name at school being Barry Soetoro, and that they moved to Indonesia. If his mom was Stanley Ann Soetoro, Barry may have had the same name to travel out of the country with his parents…? So, if he was adopted, his birth certificate might have been changed to Barry Soetoro. If he was born and named Barack Hussien Obama II, and then adopted, that BC might be sealed…? He could have changed his name back to BHO when he got older, which is how he got his COLB.

My point about my mom, though, is that it is possible for BO to get his COLB and passport without ever seeing his REAL birth certificate – my mom did. My mom’s COLB doesn’t represent her real birth at all. She has no actual real proof of where she was born, or who the doctor was.

I also never believed the BO COLB because it appeared on Daily Kos first. It is easily faked, as we have seen repeatedly on the internet.

I still don’t think he was born in Kenya, I don’t believe his mother would have traveled there to give birth. But, I do think it is weird he just won’t release it. As I have said before, I think it has to do with his adoption, or how it lists his parents relationship, or religion or his name, or something. It’s just weird he won’t release it. Especially now that this issue is growing, and getting louder. And the polls are showing more people doubt his eligibility.

valkyrie101 said:
So, you study Marx? I find that shocking.

So, Mr. Econ major, you studied no theories of contrasting economic models during your liberal indoctrination at U Chicago??? Your introduction to Labor Economics mentioned nothing of Karl Marx??? LOL. Did Paul Krugman teach the class??? What a joke.

Bill Huggins said:
This link you supplied says that BOTH OBAMA’S HAVE LAW LICENSES that are on “inactive” status. It doesnt say that they DO NOT have law licenses. You say you are able to read, but can you also COMPREHEND?

LOLOLOLOL

It states quite plainly that she voluntarily placed it on inactive status. Right before the state of Illinois removed it, is all that snopes left out. LOL. hence the second link. LOL. All those hours and dollars at Princeton to place it on inactive status? Yep, she is not proud of anything! LOL. Depends on what the meaning of proud is, huh?

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/12/wtf-michelle-ob.html

Bill Huggins said:
Can just ONE of you PROCHOICE BIRtHERS please explain to me the WHOLE PROCHOICE BIRTHER conspiracy?

I need a good laugh and Glenn Beck’s not on Tv for a few hours.

Please. Take me up on this!! I NEED THE LAUGHS!!

Come on PROCHOICE BIRTHERS!! Be a regular Bob Hope or George Carlin here!!

George C said:
A potential politician used a number / poll that supported his postion . SHOCKER !!!!!!!!!!!!

What what what !?!?!?!? In the history of politics, surely this has never happened before .

lol

ndanielson said:
So, Mr. Econ major, you studied no theories of contrasting economic models during your liberal indoctrination at U Chicago??? Your introduction to Labor Economics mentioned nothing of Karl Marx??? LOL. Did Paul Krugman teach the class??? What a joke.

It states quite plainly that she voluntarily placed it on inactive status. Right before the state of Illinois removed it, is all that snopes left out. LOL. hence the second link. LOL. All those hours and dollars at Princeton to place it on inactive status? Yep, she is not proud of anything! LOL. Depends on what the meaning of proud is, huh?

http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/atlas_shrugs/2008/12/wtf-michelle-ob.html

Oh. Snopes LEFT IT OUT. Lololololololololol

SO FUNNY

But atlasshrugged as THE TRUTH. Hahahahahahhaahaha
Just like you’d believe some link to Michaelmoore.com

LOL

You’re a regular Dane Cook over here

PEOPLE! Stop co-opting the opinions of Chris Matthews, Sean Hannity and any other pundit. We live in the age of massive amounts of information at your finger tips. Do the research and form your own opinion and vote your conscience not that of someone else. Real journalism is dying.

If you’ll do the research, you will find that the so called birth certificate Chris continues to refer to is in fact a Certification of Live Birth. This only certifies that a birth certificate is in the vault in Honolulu’s Dept. of Health.

Understand that between 1911 to 1972, anyone 1 year older or older could apply for a late birth certificate. I know, the certification says live birth certificate. That only means that the child was born alive.

Ask yourself a question. Why not just release the vault copy? Why spend over a million dollars of your personal money to keep it suppressed?

As to the newspaper announcements, we know that they could have been called in. How do I know? 3 teams worked for 2 1/2 months from Kenya to Honolulu during the primaries of 2008 the result of which was then used in all 19 US District Court cases filed. My teams that produced much more evidence, 452 pages worth. I’ve only posted the simplest of questions herein.

Bill Huggins said:
Oh. Snopes LEFT IT OUT. Lololololololololol

SO FUNNY

But atlasshrugged as THE TRUTH. Hahahahahahhaahaha
Just like you’d believe some link to Michaelmoore.com

LOL

You’re a regular Dane Cook over here

She spent more time earning her juris doctorate than she had it active, and you believe she did that voluntarily??? Yeah. The joke is on you. You really believe that? Princeton AND Harvard to just “give it up”. Okay. You’re a regular Joe Biden.

writer said:
Obama spent millions? Man, he got ripped off. You can usually get a copy of your birth certificate for about ten bucks.

Very funny!

sarainitaly said:
Magister said:
@notsofast: I realize that it may be a question of semantics, but I’m not questioning whether the “US cost of Libya war may exceed $1 billion” because it easily could. My question was where Trump got the idea that “we’ve spent over a billion dollars so far on that war”… “we’ve spent over a billion dollars already” which is what he says starting at the forty second mark in the clip

Published March 23, 2011

As of Tuesday, a U.S. defense official told Fox News the U.S. has fired 161 Tomahawk cruise missiles into Libyan territory, with 24 missiles being fired overnight Monday into Tuesday. Each missile is priced at $1 million to $1.5 million apiece and dispatched B-2 stealth bombers — round-trip from Missouri — to drop 2,000-pound bombs on Libyan sites.

That’s a total flying time of 25 hours, with the operating cost for one hour priced at least $10,000.
Yet those numbers only provide part of the costs. The B-2 bombers require expensive fuel — and rely on air tankers to refuel in flight — and probably needed parts replaced upon their return to Whiteman Air Force Base. The pilots most certainly will get combat pay.

Read more: http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2011/03/23/role-libya-costs-hundreds-millions/#ixzz1HusZ1GGH

But Lugar questioned whether the money being spent on military operations in Libya would be better spent elsewhere.

“Estimates are that about $1 billion has already been spent on an undeclared war in Libya, some would say only hundreds of millions, and that that will diminish in the days ahead,” Lugar said. “But [who] knows how long this goes on? And furthermore, who has really budgeted for Libya at all? I have not really heard the administration come forward saying that, ‘We’re going to have to devote these funds, folks, and therefore it’s something else we’ll have to go or it simply adds to the deficit.’”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/03/27/libya-lugar-questions-us-costs_n_841136.html

How much do F-15s cost? We already lost one. And ground troops were sent in to rescue the pilots. Costs are adding up.

ndanielson said:
Bill Huggins

ndanielson said:
She spent more time earning her juris doctorate than she had it active, and you believe she did that voluntarily??? Yeah. The joke is on you. You really believe that? Princeton AND Harvard to just “give it up”. Okay. You’re a regular Joe Biden.

No wonder you clowns are so easily led, you cannot add up the clues. No critical thinking skills at all. All those years of education at the finest liberal schools in the nation, and she VOLUNTEERS HER LICENSE??? And you never even ask yourselves WHY? I’d say she was forced to, but allowed to save face. But you don’t even offer a reason? LOL. I wonder why!

gordonbloyershow said:
RERUN for those that missed it. It doesn’t matter where Obama was born, he is a citizen.
The LAW…….

If one parent is a U.S. citizen and the other parent is not, the child is a citizen if
the U.S. citizen parent has been “physically present”[6] in the U.S. before the child’s birth for a total period of at least five years, and
at least two of those five years were after the U.S. citizen parent’s fourteenth birthday.

The issue is now why is Obama hiding his birth certificate? Why doesn’t he have anybody that remembers him? Why is he hiding his grades?
Obama is a liar and he can not be trusted. There is NO right of privacy for a candidate for president.
The same clowns that are protecting the Obama “privacy” didn’t think the Bush military records were private. They didn’t think anything Bush did was private.
When ALL of his National Guard records were released they didn’t believe them. They just kept repeating the same lies over and over.
They have got no right to whine about the questions to Obama.

The dems aren’t whining. They hope you dumb teabaggers keep bringing this issue up.

@sarainitaly: $400m + $30m or $60m isn’t a billion, while $800m + $200m is just barely.

And, what is included in the Center’s estimates because that’s probably why they have such a wide range on intial costs. Reportedly, the ships were already in the Mediterranean, so are they including fuel costs? The sailors will be getting paid, either way. I’m not sure if there’s a big difference between their rate of pay when deployed and that for hazardous duty, but they were already getting paid and deployed, so the hazardous duty would be the only added expense.

The Post lists that the bombs have cost somewhere around a mil and the plane cost $30m. There are fuel costs for the sorties and whatnot, but if you exclude all of the fixed expenses, it’s probably closer to the lower end of the $400m to $800m range and Donald Trump has no more info on the question than anyone else.

Bill Huggins said:
Please. Take me up on this!! I NEED THE LAUGHS!! Come on PROCHOICE BIRTHERS!! Be a regular Bob Hope or George Carlin here!!

Slow down trigger, I did already. And get over yourself, your just a moron anyway.

gordonbloyershow said:
RERUN for those that missed it. It doesn’t matter where Obama was born, he is a citizen.
The LAW…….

If one parent is a U.S. citizen and the other parent is not, the child is a citizen if
the U.S. citizen parent has been “physically present”[6] in the U.S. before the child’s birth for a total period of at least five years, and
at least two of those five years were after the U.S. citizen parent’s fourteenth birthday.

The issue is now why is Obama hiding his birth certificate? Why doesn’t he have anybody that remembers him? Why is he hiding his grades?
Obama is a liar and he can not be trusted. There is NO right of privacy for a candidate for president.
The same clowns that are protecting the Obama “privacy” didn’t think the Bush military records were private. They didn’t think anything Bush did was private.
When ALL of his National Guard records were released they didn’t believe them. They just kept repeating the same lies over and over.
They have got no right to whine about the questions to Obama.

Except that doesn’t sync with this: http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_5199.html “Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock.” Not sure why the stipulations were what they were during the time that includes when Obama was born, but it seems pretty clear if he was born outside the U.S., citizenship would not have been transmitted automatically because of his mother’s age (18) when he was born and that not meeting the requirement of her residing in the U.S. for ‘5 years after the age of 14.’ Not saying he wasn’t born in the U.S. (which would make the State Dept. laws moot.) But it seems according to the requirements in 1961 it’s wrong to assume he would have automatically been conferred citizenship because his mother was a U.S. citizen.

dude, i don’t work for the government. you asked where trump got the numbers, we told you, multiple times.

$800M + $200M = $1B, not *just barely*.

write your congressmen and ask them how much they are spending.
the media and members of congress are quoting ~$1B figures.

lauwda said:
The dems aren’t whining. They hope you dumb teabaggers keep bringing this issue up.

You are the dummy here. In case you didn’t notice I just proved that Obama is a citizen no matter where he was born. People like you are keeping this issue going. All he has to do is show his birth certificate and there is no reason that he shouldn’t.
Obama is a liar and he has something to hide and as I PROVED it is not his citizenship. DIMWIT.

sarainitaly said:
dude, i don’t work for the government. you asked where trump got the numbers, we told you, multiple times.

George C said:
“Estimates are that about $1 billion has already been spent on an undeclared war in Libya,” said Sen. Richard Lugar (R-Indiana), a respected GOP voice on foreign policy.

George C said:
A potential politician used a number / poll that supported his postion . SHOCKER !!!!!!!!!!!!

Nothing to see here , sara .

fanofamerica said:
Except that doesn’t sync with this: http://travel.state.gov/law/citizenship/citizenship_5199.html “Birth Abroad to One Citizen and One Alien Parent in Wedlock.” Not sure why the stipulations were what they were during the time that includes when Obama was born, but it seems pretty clear if he was born outside the U.S., citizenship would not have been transmitted automatically because of his mother’s age (18) when he was born and that not meeting the requirement of her residing in the U.S. for ‘5 years after the age of 14.’ Not saying he wasn’t born in the U.S. (which would make the State Dept. laws moot.) But it seems according to the requirements in 1961 it’s wrong to assume he would have automatically been conferred citizenship because his mother was a U.S. citizen.

In another part is states that the baby has until it is 18yrs old to come back to live in the U.S. and is then a citizen. It is clear that Obama was living here long before he was 18.

You know why I love mediaite, because so many dumb teabaggers come here and crack me up. Did any of you ever think that Obama purposely won’t release his BC because dumb teabaggers play right into his hand. If he really wasn’t a citizen wouldn’t you think the house would investigate this issue. The house is controlled they the GOP. Thank god for dumb ass teabaggers. You guys are actually improving his chances in 2012

MR. GREGORY: Will it require more funds from the government for this military operation?

SEN. LUGAR: Of course. And that’s what I stated from the beginning. There has to be objectives and a plan and an agreement that we’re prepared to devote the military forces but also the money. It makes no sense, sort of in the front room, where in Congress we are debating seemingly every day the deficits, the debt ceiling situation coming up, the huge economic problems we have; but in the back room we are spending money on a military situation in Libya. Estimates are that about $1 billion has already been spent on an undeclared war in Libya.

MR. GREGORY: Mm-hmm.

Go get ‘em Magister !

Bill Huggins said:
Please. Take me up on this!! I NEED THE LAUGHS!!

Come on PROCHOICE BIRTHERS!! Be a regular Bob Hope or George Carlin here!!

If I understand what you’re asking, the law refers to the the actual act of a ‘birth’ — you know, leaving the womb, entering the world — to establish citizenship. Believing that life began at conception doesn’t contradict what the law requires.

gordonbloyershow said:
You are the dummy here. In case you didn’t notice I just proved that Obama is a citizen no matter where he was born. People like you are keeping this issue going. All he has to do is show his birth certificate and there is no reason that he shouldn’t.
Obama is a liar and he has something to hide and as I PROVED it is not his citizenship. DIMWIT.

Lol really people like me? Is it not fox news that’s has Donald f’ing trump on their network spewing this birther crap. He bankrupted his own casinos and he’s a potential GOP presidential candidate. That’s how sad the republicans are. If only they would put up a decent candidate then I wouldn’t be forced to vote for Obama.

The Presidents life has been manufactured and written in a couple of books.

Things seem to be unraveling for our Dear Leader.

I suspect he will not run for a 2nd term…he is now losing his far left base. The few that are still with him, and believe everything they are spoon fed about him seem to be the handful of commenter’s and most of the writers on Mediaite!

gordonbloyershow said:
In another part is states that the baby has until it is 18yrs old to come back to live in the U.S. and is then a citizen. It is clear that Obama was living here long before he was 18.

Not trying to have you do my legwork, but can you share a link for that additional info? I’d never heard that and would like to learn more.

lauwda said:
You know why I love mediaite, because so many dumb teabaggers come here and crack me up. Did any of you ever think that Obama purposely won’t release his BC because dumb teabaggers play right into his hand. If he really wasn’t a citizen wouldn’t you think the house would investigate this issue. The house is controlled they the GOP. Thank god for dumb ass teabaggers. You guys are actually improving his chances in 2012

Proof that you fools will believe ANYTHING. Go Trump. Look at what a happy liberal sheep sounds like:

because dumb teabaggers play right into his hand.

And:

Thank god for dumb ass teabaggers.

Sounds like you are really enjoying it, and are cracked up! LOL. Sounds to me like you clowns hate having to defend the 0bama’s and his socialist loving friends every day!

Hey Gordon I know you believe he is a citizen. You came around to the facts in a round about way. Which is actually surprising comming from a teabagger. Most of you guys use faith not facts.

@sarainitaly: Again, it seems to be a question of semantics, but you and notsofast have shown me that they say it could cost as much as a billion and there’s a big range for the estimated startup, but I can find multiple quotes that say some of the numbers being reported sound too high and I can’t fathom the math.

Need I remind you that President Obama’s trip to India was reportedly going to cost $200m before somebody asked how and just a couple of weeks ago, there were estimates that it’d cost $7.5m to pull tape from the Wisconsin Capitol’s walls.
—

Also, while I’m back in here, I mentioned earlier that Trump occasionally gets sweetheart deals based on his name recognition and visibility…

The underlying link that I used in one of my old blogs was no longer active, so I had to look for a dupe, but back in ’05, Trump was given interest in spectacular hotel and development project in Dubai for absolutely no investment, based entirely on his ability to attract interest and for the use of his brand.

The project fell through and was cancelled in the UAE credit crunch, so it never actually bore fruit and not only do I feel it demonstrates the old-fashioned business advantage that he derives from being high profile, but the experience may also be a factor into how he views the Middle East.

ndanielson said:
Know thy enemy. Those who fail to learn from failed history are doomed to repeat it. No wonder you follow 0bama. That you don’t understand either of these axioms, I don’t find shocking at all. You prove it every time you post, as do your fellow sheep. LOL. Wow.

Seriously, you read Marx?

valkyrie101 said:
Seriously, you read Marx?

Persistent idiot. Ok we got it.

ndanielson said:
Proof that you fools will believe ANYTHING. Go Trump. Look at what a happy liberal sheep sounds like:

And:

Sounds like you are really enjoying it, and are cracked up! LOL. Sounds to me like you clowns hate having to defend the 0bama’s and his socialist loving friends every day!

Sheep? Nah far from it. I can give you many faults about Obama ie. His weak finacial reform that he implemented thanks to GOP watering I down while the FEDS gave trillions to the banks and you dumb teabaggers bitch about NPR. You want me to name more? The sheep are the teabaggers that don’t follow policy but rather follow social issues. I see many dems criticizing Obama. But ask yourself this. Where were the criticisms when Bush falsely went into Iraq. Now that’s sheep.

I live near Atlantic city. 15 mins away to be exact. I know the GOP are nothing but jokers now if trump is considering to run. He bankrupted all his casinos here and had to be taken over. He doesn’t even own the buildings that his name is on. And this dumb teabagger danielson is cheering for trump!? Look it up you ass hat.

lauwda said:
That’s how sad the republicans are.

Let’s see, the primary candidates when Barry won were: The disgraced Bill Richardson, Hillary Clinton, the first First Lady ever to come under criminal indictment, the adulterer John Edwards, the race baiters/reverends Al and Jessie, (okay maybe they were 04), the kook Kucinich, the hapless Joe Biden, the criminal Chris Dodd…wow. I think it is great that the hapless, isle-crossing Jaun McCain lost, though. Your boy jumped the shark, and we do have Sarah Palin to at least see what the anti-0bama can be. America settled for a socialist fraud, rather than thieves adulterers and alien abductees, anyway. http://savannahred.blogspot.com/2007/10/dennis-kucinich-was-abducted-by-aliens.html The true liberal clown that he is, had no clue an olive might contain pits, so he sues the Government. What a guy! Always looking out for his fellow citizens: http://www.habledash.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1058:crazy-dennis-kucinich-suing-government-cafeteria-over-pitted-olive&catid=47:latest-news&Itemid=65

lauwda said:
I see many dems criticizing Obama.

His “Brothers” are turning on him….. The nails are being driven into his political coffin beginning now.

http://www.theblaze.com/stories/you-should-have-listened-to-farrakhan-when-you-were-at-his-table-new-black-panthers-turn-on-obama-in-an-n-word-uncle-tom-tirade-content-warning/

I believe Barry is a goner and will not run in 2012….

valkyrie101 said:
ndanielson said:
Know thy enemy. Those who fail to learn from failed history are doomed to repeat it. No wonder you follow 0bama. That you don’t understand either of these axioms, I don’t find shocking at all. You prove it every time you post, as do your fellow sheep. LOL. Wow.

Seriously, you read Marx?

Seriously? What part of that am I to be ashamed of, Mr. Econ major??? Of course I have read Marx. What better way to spot one? Wow. Seriously, you didn’t learn of Marx in your liberal U Chicago economics indoctrination? No wonder you have no fear of socialism. Look up socialism, and see who’s name pops up. LOL.

Looks like the 0bama doctrine to me:

Marxism
Main articles: Marxism and Socialism (Marxism)
Karl Marx, 1875.

In the most influential of all socialist theories, Karl Marx and Friedrich Engels believed the consciousness of those who earn a wage or salary (the “working class” in the broadest Marxist sense) would be molded by their “conditions” of “wage-slavery”, leading to a tendency to seek their freedom or “emancipation” by throwing off the capitalist ownership of society. For Marx and Engels, conditions determine consciousness and ending the role of the capitalist class leads eventually to a classless society in which the state would wither away.

Marx wrote: “It is not the consciousness of [people] that determines their existence, but their social existence that determines their consciousness.”[40]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialism

Kucinich is an idiot. But dainelson explain to me what the difference between a synthetic CDO and a CDO is?What is a CDS. Thats what crashed this economy. What speculation means on wallstreet and why prices of commodities such as oil and wheat go up because of speculation. If you do I’ll be impressed that there are smart teabaggers.

The Lantern of Truth said:
The lovely Mrs . Ayers : ” Who is Bernadine Dohrn? She’s the prominent Chicago hostess…… (regarding ) the Manson murders in December 1969. Charles Manson and his harem of drug-addled hippie chicks had shocked the nation by their massacre.
Dohrn approved, speechifying in front of 400 people: “Dig it! First they killed those pigs and then they put a fork in their bellies. Wild!” http://www.nopc.info/forum/showthread.php?t=32399

This is a bit of trivia to the OB supporters….another of the things being swept under the rug !!!!

Magister said:
@sarainitaly: Again, it seems to be a question of semantics, but you and notsofast have shown me that they say it could cost as much as a billion and there’s a big range for the estimated startup, but I can find multiple quotes that say some of the numbers being reported sound too high and I can’t fathom the math

regardless, that’s where Trump is getting his numbers. The media, and members of Congress.

U.S. cost in Libya nears $1 billion
http://www.tennessean.com/article/20110324/NEWS08/103240326/U-S-cost-Libya-nears-1-billion?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|News|s

It’s too bad that the President hasn’t outlined the costs, and explained these things to the American people, so we wouldn’t have to be guessing about this stuff…

lauwda said:
You know why I love mediaite, because so many dumb teabaggers come here and crack me up. Did any of you ever think that Obama purposely won’t release his BC because dumb teabaggers play right into his hand. If he really wasn’t a citizen wouldn’t you think the house would investigate this issue. The house is controlled they the GOP. Thank god for dumb ass teabaggers. You guys are actually improving his chances in 2012

How was lunch?

Is this the best the conservative media can do in attempt to discredit this President? If you have a question decide for yourself

http://www.factcheck.org/askfactcheck/has_obamas_birth_certificate_been_disclosed.html

It just kills the conservative media outlets that they cannot find any dirt of this guy. Trump is just trying to improve his failing Apprentice ratings. Like so many reality shows it is losing its appeal. This guy like so many are all about improving their own financial position. He has no intention for running for president nor does the GOP have a need for another joke in their 2012 presidential roster.

They are trying to discredit him just like they did Clinton and JFK to mention a few.

lauwda said:
Lol really people like me? Is it not fox news that’s has Donald f’ing trump on their network spewing this birther crap. He bankrupted his own casinos and he’s a potential GOP presidential candidate. That’s how sad the republicans are. If only they would put up a decent candidate then I wouldn’t be forced to vote for Obama.

You can’t read, you can’t hear and you can’t see. LOL Trump first said this on ABC’s The View. It is NO longer about where he was born it is about what he is hiding. You keep it going by defending Obama’s cover-up. LOL.
You are not bright enough to see that this is turning on him because he claimed he would be transparent and he has not been on ANY issue.

sarainitaly said:
regardless, that’s where Trump is getting his numbers.

or maybe he lent them the money?

;O)

sarainitaly said:
regardless, that’s where Trump is getting his numbers. The media, and members of Congress.

U.S. cost in Libya nears $1 billion
http://www.tennessean.com/article/20110324/NEWS08/103240326/U-S-cost-Libya-nears-1-billion?odyssey=mod|newswell|text|News|s

It’s too bad that the President hasn’t outlined the costs, and explained these things to the American people, so we wouldn’t have to be guessing about this stuff…

“We’ll be there just a few days!”

Now Bill Ayers, who I knew during my ill-starred Ann Arbor dalliance with SDS, admits he wrote the first of the two ghosted Obama bios. He’s disgusted with the Obamanation of Desolation [for the wrong reasons] and now has decided to out himself. Probably his ginormous ego is p-o’d that he’s not a “Professor Emeritus” at UIC and this is the last straw…! When I met him, he was with Diana Oughton, the gorgeous rad chick who blew herself up following his faulty instructions on how to make a bomb. Bet this criminal egomaniac, who should be in jail for life, doesn’t lose a moment’s sleep over sending a girl to do a terrorist’s job. Can’t even give instructions on how to make a bomb, what a serial loser.

Robert Stephenson Hearts Mark Schultz said:
How was lunch?

LOL!

You see danielson smart people on wallstreet use these terms so dumbass teabaggers won’t understand them while they rob you blind. The government then protects them. Look at Tim geitner and the fed chairman. Of course this was all started by regan when he hired Greenspan and started blowing the regulations that were in place. All the presidents that followed fell online including Clinton and Obama. Then what the GOP do is distract you with emotional key words like abortion, birth certificate, big government, guns, and god. You k ow the usual stuff Sarah palin talks about while you idiots eat it up. Gordon want to give it a shot? Answere the questions I posed to danielson

Having read all of these frantic comments, I conclude: Barack Obama is colossal fraud and will be found out as soon as his hidden documents are exposed to public view. The liberal establishment is FRANTIC !!! There is nothing they will not do to continue this abominable charade. Expect the worst.

lauwda said:
Hey Gordon I know you believe he is a citizen. You came around to the facts in a round about way. Which is actually surprising comming from a teabagger. Most of you guys use faith not facts.

YOU like all libs jump to conclusions. I have never participated in any Tea Party event or have I signed up with any group. The fact they are right on the issues is just coincidence.
The real problem is LEFT WINGERS like you. As Ronald Reagan said, “The problem with liberals is not that they are ignorant, the problem is that they know so much that is not so.”

Like when you folks claim that all the conservatives defended Bush no matter what he did. Most conservatives opposed Bush when he pushed “No child left behind” with Ted Kennedy. They opposed Bush on his amnesty policy. They opposed Bush when he signed all the big spending bills instead of vetoing them.
It is the loony clowns here that defend Obama no matter what he does. He should release his birth certificate and his grades and you should be asking him to do it too.

gordonbloyershow said:
You can’t read, you can’t hear and you can’t see. LOL Trump first said this on ABC’s The View. It is NO longer about where he was born it is about what he is hiding. You keep it going by defending Obama’s cover-up. LOL.
You are not bright enough to see that this is turning on him because he claimed he would be transparent and he has not been on ANY issue.

Your right about the transparency issue. But can’t we both agree that no matter who is in the white house that there isn’t ever going to be complete transparency? Expecting 100% transparency is expecting too much. Hats not to say we shouldn’t demand it.

lauwda said:
Kucinich is an idiot. But dainelson explain to me what the difference between a synthetic CDO and a CDO is?What is a CDS. Thats what crashed this economy. What speculation means on wallstreet and why prices of commodities such as oil and wheat go up because of speculation. If you do I’ll be impressed that there are smart teabaggers.

The peanut farmer gave us the Community Reinvestment Act in Oct. of 1977. BJ Clinton and Janet Reno’s Justice department gave COMMUNITY ORGANIZERS (read: shake down artists) more teeth, and “rights” through the CRA, in the 90′s. They were given cover to go after banks to FORCE more people into homes that could not afford them. Your boys, Dodd, Frank, and the still currently criminally investigated, Maxine Waters, stood by and watched as government backed loans became more and more another liberal, government-backed Ponzi scheme, leaving taxpayers holding the bag. The housing collapse originated with the peanut farmer and his CRA. Period.

http://www.makingmoneyrain.com/2011/03/barneys-frank-his-fannie-mae-and-freddie-mac-crash/

Jaime Gorelick and Franklin Raines made out like bandits while driving Fannie and Freddie into the ground. Jaime Gorelick also gave us the Gorelick wall, which blocked the FBI and the CIA from exchanging information. BJ was continually being investigated for one felonious crime after another, after all. And Gorelick sat on top of the 9-11 cover-up for BJ.

Bonus points: guess who is on the short list to head 0bama’s FBI???

Now go care for your bruised chin.

BatBoy says:
His “Brothers” are turning on him……………………..(brothers?) No second term?
…………………..
Why does “ALL” of your information, (facts?) come from Blaze, Breitbart, Fox, etc. (tea sites). This is a fair question. Please hold the silly grade school name calling, no hate, just a question!

lauwda said:
Sheep? Nah far from it. I can give you many faults about Obama ie. His weak finacial reform that he implemented thanks to GOP watering I down while the FEDS gave trillions to the banks and you dumb teabaggers bitch about NPR. You want me to name more? The sheep are the teabaggers that don’t follow policy but rather follow social issues. I see many dems criticizing Obama. But ask yourself this. Where were the criticisms when Bush falsely went into Iraq. Now that’s sheep.

Hmmm? None of the means that what he is saying now is wrong. It just means you should check everything he says.
Trump also tried to screw a little old lady out of her house when he wanted to build a parking lot. He wanted the property condemned when she would not sell at his low price. Trump is clearly an ASS. However if by some dumb accident he was the ONLY one running against the socialist Obama I would be forced to vote for him.

I have a slightly different theory about this whole birth certificate issue, and the reason that President Obama hasn’t presented it… yet. I think he wants to use the original to its full advantage. Oh, sure, presenting it now would diffuse this “birther” nonsense, but that wouldn’t be taking advantage of its awesome potential. What if President Obama is so crafty, that he’s “allowing” the Birther nonsense to fester. Allowing candidates like Trump to join the Birther bandwagon, only to make them look like bigoted fools, right before election time. My predictio… The President will release his birth certificate when the election nears, and the Birther Train is full of GOPster candidates.

lauwda said:
Your right about the transparency issue. But can’t we both agree that no matter who is in the white house that there isn’t ever going to be complete transparency? Expecting 100% transparency is expecting too much. Hats not to say we shouldn’t demand it.

As far as transparency on the legislation there is NO excuse not to do it. These are laws that will be made public after they are passed so why not produce them before they are passed. Also when it comes to meetings on legislation there is no excuse for them to be private. That does not include private meetings with the president or the vice president. When it comes to defence secrets they need to kept secret.

Klaatu said:
Birther nonsense to fester

This is where you make you BIG mistake. It is NO longer a birth issue, it is a hiding issue. To release it at the last minute will just make HIM look foolish.

Klaatu said:
I have a slightly different theory about this whole birth certificate issue, and the reason that President Obama hasn’t presented it… yet. I think he wants to use the original to its full advantage. Oh, sure, presenting it now would diffuse this “birther” nonsense, but that wouldn’t be taking advantage of its awesome potential. What if President Obama is so crafty, that he’s “allowing” the Birther nonsense to fester. Allowing candidates like Trump to join the Birther bandwagon, only to make them look like bigoted fools, right before election time. My predictio… The President will release his birth certificate when the election nears, and the Birther Train is full of GOPster candidates.

What you fools keep glossing over is that Trump is not only calling his BC into question, but his ENTIRE hidden past. This will eventually lead to his numerous SSN’s, his missing and hidden transcripts, his admission records, his senate e-mails and correspondence, his thesis, his passport info, his past, period. And because of the bang up job of the media, more and more Americans are asking questions.

I still run into people who know NOTHING about Jeremiah Wright, 0bama’s lack of respect for the US Constitution, or that Michelle never liked America! GO DONALD TRUMP!

gordonbloyershow said:
This is where you make you BIG mistake. It is NO longer a birth issue, it is a hiding issue. To release it at the last minute will just make HIM look foolish.

Bingo!

gordonbloyershow said:
This is where you make you BIG mistake. It is NO longer a birth issue, it is a hiding issue. To release it at the last minute will just make HIM look foolish

And George W was all about transparency? LMAO

ndanielson said:
The peanut farmer gave us the Community Reinvestment Act in Oct. of 1977. BJ Clinton and Janet Reno’s Justice department gave COMMUNITY ORGANIZERS (read: shake down artists) more teeth, and “rights” through the CRA, in the 90’s. They were given cover to go after banks to FORCE more people into homes that could not afford them. Your boys, Dodd, Frank, and the still currently criminally investigated, Maxine Waters, stood by and watched as government backed loans became more and more another liberal, government-backed Ponzi scheme, leaving taxpayers holding the bag. The housing collapse originated with the peanut farmer and his CRA. Period.

http://www.makingmoneyrain.com/2011/03/barneys-frank-his-fannie-mae-and-freddie-mac-crash/

Jaime Gorelick and Franklin Raines made out like bandits while driving Fannie and Freddie into the ground. Jaime Gorelick also gave us the Gorelick wall, which blocked the FBI and the CIA from exchanging information. BJ was continually being investigated for one felonious crime after another, after all. And Gorelick sat on top of the 9-11 cover-up for BJ.

Bonus points: guess who is on the short list to head 0bama’s FBI???

Now go care for your bruised chin.

Whoa there buddy. Nice to see you know some partisan facts. But you still didn’t answer my question. What you did there was use the republican reason why we are in this recession. Blame it all on government. The people you named there are small fries. The big fishes are the people who control the money. Ie ben bernake and greenspan. They were only part of the problem. How come you fail to mention how any of this happened? You know the deregulation that you failed to mention. Oh and answer my question about CEOs and CDS.

Truth said:
And George W was all about transparency? LMAO

Bush’s whole campaign platform wasn’t based on “transparency.” See the diff? Hope so.

Truth said:
And George W was all about transparency? LMAO

Bush is no longer President. Obama was elected to be the non-Bush, remember? He promised transparency, and openness, and hope and change! Remember?

CDOs. I ment. Typing on an iPhone. Also what current speculation does to commodities. Dainelson.

sarainitaly said:
Bush is no longer President. Obama was elected to be the non-Bush, remember? He promised transparency, and openness, and hope and change! Remember?

I think “truth” is having a little memory lapse. I’ll betcha he was one of those weepers and fainters. ;)

Robert Stephenson Hearts Mark Schultz said:
I think “truth” is having a little memory lapse. I’ll betcha he was one of those weepers and fainters. ;)

HAHA or this one:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKXhCGjCOh0

i love you barack!

lauwda said:
Whoa there buddy. Nice to see you know some partisan facts. But you still didn’t answer my question. What you did there was use the republican reason why we are in this recession. Blame it all on government. The people you named there are small fries. The big fishes are the people who control the money. Ie ben bernake and greenspan. They were only part of the problem. How come you fail to mention how any of this happened? You know the deregulation that you failed to mention. Oh and answer my question about CEOs and CDS.

I answered your question. You just don’t get it. The CRA and community organizers seeking “social justice” led to the housing collapse and financial crisis that rode the boy 0bama into office. Mkay?

The Left was foolish to push Bush’s cocaine use and attempts to dodge Vietnam. Something tells me that the majority of Americans are equally less enthused by extreme right concerns over Obama’s citizenship or religious beliefs. Appealing to this crowd might win a GOP candidate a few votes in the primaries, but they will get nowhere talking this nonsense once the nomination is over.

gordonbloyershow said:
This is where you make you BIG mistake. It is NO longer a birth issue, it is a hiding issue. To release it at the last minute will just make HIM look foolish.

Are you kidding? The President, right before the election…

“Now I know that a lot of Americans out there have been claiming that I wasn’t born in America, even though they saw that copy that the State of Hawaii sent me. Well, I’m here today, to tell you that your prayers have been answered. I found my original copy in one of my favorite college text books, “The Federalist Papers: America’s Greatest Living Documents”. I’d used it as a bookmark. Here it is folks, sorry for the delay.”

ndanielson said:
valkyrie101 said:
ndanielson said:
Know thy enemy. Those who fail to learn from failed history are doomed to repeat it. No wonder you follow 0bama. That you don’t understand either of these axioms, I don’t find shocking at all. You prove it every time you post, as do your fellow sheep. LOL. Wow.

Seriously, you read Marx?

Seriously? What part of that am I to be ashamed of, Mr. Econ major??? Of course I have read Marx. What better way to spot one? Wow. Seriously, you didn’t learn of Marx in your liberal U Chicago economics indoctrination? No wonder you have no fear of socialism. Look up socialism, and see who’s name pops up. LOL.

I never actually read any Marx, I only learned about Marx and about what he teaches from other writers. Why should I be concerned about the writings of a man long dead, and discredited?

ndanielson said:
I answered your question. You just don’t get it. The CRA and community organizers seeking “social justice” led to the housing collapse and financial crisis that rode the boy 0bama into office. Mkay?

Think bigger dainelson. You’re only halfway there. No doubt the dems you named are bought by wallstreet. They were also the ones that watered down the current finace reform bill. Do you think the GOP are innocent from all this? This isn’t a partisan issue for me. There’s crooks on both sides. Again what is a CDO or CDS???

Klaatu said:
Are you kidding? The President, right before the election…

“Now I know that a lot of Americans out there have been claiming that I wasn’t born in America, even though they saw that copy that the State of Hawaii sent me. Well, I’m here today, to tell you that your prayers have been answered. I found my original copy in one of my favorite college text books, “The Federalist Papers: America’s Greatest Living Documents”. I’d used it as a bookmark. Here it is folks, sorry for the delay.”

If he used it as a bookmark, it was in his Alinsky’s Rules for Radicals or Marx’s Communist Manifesto, because 0bama would rather wipe his a$$ with the Federalist Papers than read them.

I’d rather hear Obimbo outline the distinct authority he thinks he has, to enter into a military conflict without Congressional approval! This matter goes far beyond the mundane issue of costs. The core-issue here is AUTHORITY, or, as in this case, the lack of it! Why isn’t this buffoon being called on by Congress to show just cause for taking to war in a foreign country that posed NO threat to the United States!! Once again, we see this inept buffoon overstep his authority without being challenged. Are there no adults in Congress…what the hell does it take to get these useless political-beggars to do their jobs?!!

it’s funny because trump may not even be able to spend millions to hide anything: http://nymag.com/daily/intel/2009/05/donald_trump.html

Klaatu said:
Are you kidding? The President, right before the election…

“Now I know that a lot of Americans out there have been claiming that I wasn’t born in America, even though they saw that copy that the State of Hawaii sent me. Well, I’m here today, to tell you that your prayers have been answered. I found my original copy in one of my favorite college text books, “The Federalist Papers: America’s Greatest Living Documents”. I’d used it as a bookmark. Here it is folks, sorry for the delay.”

Hopefully the states that are introducing proof of eligibility legislation will pass a law and he’ll have to show his hand early in the process in order to get on the ballot.

lauwda said:
Think bigger dainelson. You’re only halfway there. No doubt the dems you named are bought by wallstreet. They were also the ones that watered down the current finace reform bill. Do you think the GOP are innocent from all this? This isn’t a partisan issue for me. There’s crooks on both sides. Again what is a CDO or CDS???

The derivatives market was created and expanded, thanks to the peanut farmer’s social justice program: THE CRA OF 1977. Another liberal social program that milked the middle class, once again, under the guise of helping the disadvantaged. It failed, and now they are telling you sheep that it was caused entirely by greedy millionaires, not greedy liberal justice programs, for the “victims” of corporate greed. And you clowns still fall for the class warfare rhetoric. Wow.

ndanielson said:
What you fools keep glossing over…

Oh oh, now you’ve gone and done it, ad hominem. And the f-word, no less. I’m afraid that me and Gort are going to have zap the bejeesus out of your idiocracy. Batten down the hatches!

ndanielson, are you aware that Rush Limbaugh is also a “Birther” nut?

caconservative said:
I’d rather hear Obimbo outline the distinct authority he thinks he has, to enter into a military conflict without Congressional approval! This matter goes far beyond the mundane issue of costs. The core-issue here is AUTHORITY, or, as in this case, the lack of it! Why isn’t this buffoon being called on by Congress to show just cause for taking to war in a foreign country that posed NO threat to the United States!! Once again, we see this inept buffoon overstep his authority without being challenged. Are there no adults in Congress…what the hell does it take to get these useless political-beggars to do their jobs?!!

maybe because there’s a precedent for it, Ie: the invasion of nicaragua and grenada.

Klaatu said:
Oh oh, now you’ve gone and done it, ad hominem. And the f-word, no less. I’m afraid that me and Gort are going to have zap the bejeesus out of your idiocracy. Batten down the hatches! ndanielson, are you aware that Rush Limbaugh is also a “Birther” nut?

Ready boss.

Klaatu said:
Oh oh, now you’ve gone and done it, ad hominem. And the f-word, no less. I’m afraid that me and Gort are going to have zap the bejeesus out of your idiocracy. Batten down the hatches!

ndanielson, are you aware that Rush Limbaugh is also a “Birther” nut?

Klaatu barada nikto

valkyrie101 said:
I never actually read any Marx, I only learned about Marx and about what he teaches from other writers. Why should I be concerned about the writings of a man long dead, and discredited?

I don’t care what you read, really.

Newt Limbaugh said:
Klaatu barada nikto

We’ve changed the abort code.

Klaatu said:
We’ve changed the abort code.

Doh!

Klaatu said:
Oh oh, now you’ve gone and done it, ad hominem. And the f-word, no less. I’m afraid that me and Gort are going to have zap the bejeesus out of your idiocracy. Batten down the hatches!

ndanielson, are you aware that Rush Limbaugh is also a “Birther” nut?

Really, Rush? At least he’s no socialist. LOL. Wow.

sarainitaly said:
Bush is no longer President. Obama was elected to be the non-Bush, remember? He promised transparency, and openness, and hope and change! Remember?

To the lmits the Presidential position allows him to be. Do you go to the presidential website? Do you follow any other media sources other than Fox? For example it was clear to me what the mission was in Libya. He outline this prior to the bombings and todate he has done everything he said he would. Time will tell whether this has scope creep or not. Same with Obamacare. You may not like the end result, but he even talked about this in his campaigh, so why is was this a surprise to everyone? Same with the bailouts and stimulus programs this should have been no surprise to anyone. You may not like the position it put the country in debt wise, but it was clear. I for one feel we as a country would have been much worse off had we not done what we have did. Nobody could have prodected the unemployment numbers and his attempt to be forth right he through out a 8% highwater number which he should never done and it has been played back to him many times. The conservative media will never give him credit for any accomplishments. Is he a perfect president, no, and there has never been one before him.

ndanielson said:
The derivatives market was created and expanded, thanks to the peanut farmer’s social justice program: THE CRA OF 1977. Another liberal social program that milked the middle class, once again, under the guise of helping the disadvantaged. It failed, and now they are telling you sheep that it was caused entirely by greedy millionaires, not greedy liberal justice programs, for the “victims” of corporate greed. And you clowns still fall for the class warfare rhetoric. Wow.

I think you purposely don’t want to see the truth. Get beyond your partisanship and ask yourself HOW these derivatives and CDS were created and why they are allowed to exist as they are now. Come on man your half way there I’m trying to walk you through it.

ndanielson said:
I don’t care what you read, really.

I doubt very much that you have read the communist manifesto. Am I right? In fact almost nobody reads it because it is dated and irrelevent. But socialism is not something that Marx came up with, since there are socialist systems included in our Constitutional government, such as our socialist military, the post office, Dept. of Highways, etc.

ndanielson said:
Really, Rush? At least he’s no socialist. LOL. Wow.

Nice cowardly dodge. Again, ndanielson, are you aware that Rush Limbaugh, spokesman for the GOP, is also a “Birther” nut?

ndanielson said:
I don’t care what you read, really.

Nice dodge because you’re a clueless fool.

Klaatu said:
are you aware that Rush Limbaugh is also a “Birther” nut?

Once again you don’t know what you are talking about. Rush has NEVER adopted this issue. You read too much left wing propaganda.

lauwda said:
I think you purposely don’t want to see the truth. Get beyond your partisanship and ask yourself HOW these derivatives and CDS were created and why they are allowed to exist as they are now. Come on man your half way there I’m trying to walk you through it.

Collateraized Debt Obligations increased by $50 billion per year, alone, from ZERO, in 1994 up until the year 2000. You mean those types of CDO’s??? Wow guess who was president up until 2000? Guess who was sitting at the head of the justice dept. demanding that banks, through COMMUNITY ORGANIZERS OFFER MORE LOANS TO THOSE THAT COULD NOT AFFORD THEM? C’mon, cupcake, guess.

Guess who called congress on CDO’s and the impending failure of Fannie and Freddie??? Guess which party argued vehemently that both entities were sound? Guess who was sitting on top of the banking committee during its collapse? Guess who was sitting at the top of Fannie and Freddie at the time of their collapse? C’mon, cupcake. walk us through your brilliant point? I just called you the “c’ word. LOL.

Gasket said:
Nice dodge because you’re a clueless fool.

Not about your boy 0bama. I at least can see the fraud he is, as the evidence abounds! You call me clueless, sweetpea? LOL.

And The Donald takes it to the next level: http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/donaldtrump-birthcertificate-newsmax/2011/03/28/id/390930

Gasket said:
Nice dodge because you’re a clueless fool.

Am I supposed to care what this clown reads, Gasket??? Hey, Gasket, I don’t care what you read either!

gordonbloyershow said:
Once again you don’t know what you are talking about. Rush has NEVER adopted this issue. You read too much left wing propaganda.

“What do Obama and God have in common? Neither has a birth certificate. How do they differ? God does not think he’s Obama. And there’s another difference between God and Obama, and that is that liberals love Obama.” – Rush Limbaugh

Klaatu said:
Nice cowardly dodge. Again, ndanielson, are you aware that Rush Limbaugh, spokesman for the GOP, is also a “Birther” nut?

And your point, sweetpea? Those are some of the very reasons I would like Rush. LOL. At least he can spot a fraud when all the evidence is laid bare. How heavy is that water feeling nowadays?

I think Obama was born in the US but because of his adoptive situation it affected his birth certificate. What he is probably trying to cover up is that he probably used this uncertainty to get into institutions or get handouts from sources while he was going to school.

Coverups sometimes are worse than the initial act. Just ask Tricky Dicky Nixon.

ndanielson said:
And your point, sweetpea? Those are some of the very reasons I would like Rush. LOL. At least he can spot a fraud when all the evidence is laid bare. How heavy is that water feeling nowadays?

You know, you really ought to think about that “sweatpea” routine. It’s less than stupid. You seem a bit discombobulated, ndanielson? Gort has that effect on the human species.

If there’s one person that we should all trust to get to the bottom of this it’s reality TV star and thrice bankruptcy filer Donald Trump. He’s a serious contender to bring this nation back to its zenith. Here he is conducting some of his hard hitting business with one Vincent K. McMahon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_492wdyshaY

Thank you, Donald Trump, for taking up the call of the birther movement. You represent it well.

ndanielson said:
Collateraized Debt Obligations increased by $50 billion per year, alone, from ZERO, in 1994 up until the year 2000. You mean those types of CDO’s??? Wow guess who was president up until 2000? Guess who was sitting at the head of the justice dept. demanding that banks, through COMMUNITY ORGANIZERS OFFER MORE LOANS TO THOSE THAT COULD NOT AFFORD THEM? C’mon, cupcake, guess.

Guess who called congress on CDO’s and the impending failure of Fannie and Freddie??? Guess which party argued vehemently that both entities were sound? Guess who was sitting on top of the banking committee during its collapse? Guess who was sitting at the top of Fannie and Freddie at the time of their collapse? C’mon, cupcake. walk us through your brilliant point? I just called you the “c’ word. LOL.

Dude your right about all your points here. Like I said Clinton had alot to do with what happened. But he wasnt the president that started it. Guess who? Your good old friend regan. This isn’t partisan politics as I said. Bob rubin the one that convinced Clinton to pass those “deregulation bills”. Why don’t I spell it out for you instead of walking you though it. Starts with the letter “R” and all teabaggers are afraid of it.

Gort said:
“What do Obama and God have in common? Neither has a birth certificate. How do they differ? God does not think he’s Obama. And there’s another difference between God and Obama, and that is that liberals love Obama.” – Rush Limbaugh

LOL so you take a joke and think that means Rush is a birther. LOL He has said numerous times Obama was born in Hawaii. He refers to the birther issue when it is in the news and he thinks it is very funny.
YOU are a fool.

Klaatu said:
You know, you really ought to think about that “sweatpea” routine. It’s less than stupid. You seem a bit discombobulated, ndanielson? Gort has that effect on the human species.

Sorry boss. I’ll tone it back a sekton.

valkyrie101 said:
I doubt very much that you have read the communist manifesto. Am I right? In fact almost nobody reads it because it is dated and irrelevent. But socialism is not something that Marx came up with, since there are socialist systems included in our Constitutional government, such as our socialist military, the post office, Dept. of Highways, etc.

Hey sheep, here is your dodge queen, Valkyrie. Poor Val can’t tell the difference between a Constitutional government and a socialist one. Thinks that reading Marx is a bad way to learn about economics, the degree he allegedly holds!

The military is socialist? LOL. No meritocracy in the military??? Really? You’re a joke. Too bad about that wasted tuition! LOL.

What is really going to be funny is when Trump has a rally and asks everybody to bring their birth certificate. Then the whole crowd waves them in the air. Hmmm? Why can’t Obama produce his. Then after that all over the country at speeches and rallys the people all wave their birth certificates.
Obama is going to look like the fool that he is.

Hey I’m proud of you. Bet you had to google this terms facts didn’t you. Explains why you didn’t answere them the first go around. In a round about way forced you to do some research. Your 3/4 there. Now you just have to put it together. Lets see if you can do it. Again question is why do these CDOs and CDS still exist???

gordonbloyershow said:
LOL so you take a joke and think that means Rush is a birther. LOL He has said numerous times Obama was born in Hawaii. He refers to the birther issue when it is in the news and he thinks it is very funny.YOU are a fool.

Joke, or not, on national radio, to millions of people, he promulgated the idiocracy.

im_lovin_it said:
If there’s one person that we should all trust to get to the bottom of this it’s reality TV star and thrice bankruptcy filer Donald Trump. He’s a serious contender to bring this nation back to its zenith. Here he is conducting some of his hard hitting business with one Vincent K. McMahon.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_492wdyshaY

Thank you, Donald Trump, for taking up the call of the birther movement. You represent it well.

I’m guessing Trump knows his chances of being elected are slim. Maybe his goal is to do damage to Obama’s reelection chances? He certainly has a public platform and money talks. Who knows what might be revealed with his efforts?

Let me rephrase the question dainelson. Why do these CDOs and CDS currently exist as they do now if they are a detriment to our economy?? (Hint: two reasons)

lauwda said:
Dude your right about all your points here. Like I said Clinton had alot to do with what happened. But he wasnt the president that started it. Guess who? Your good old friend regan. This isn’t partisan politics as I said. Bob rubin the one that convinced Clinton to pass those “deregulation bills”. Why don’t I spell it out for you instead of walking you though it. Starts with the letter “R” and all teabaggers are afraid of it.

Nope. The peanut farmer gave us the CRA. The CRA was given more TEETH under BJ and the development of CDO’s EXPLODED in 1994 from ZERO. They took a severe hit in 2001 and 2002 due to the junk bond market failure, that BJ oversaw and led to the very recession that Bush inherited. The origins of the housing crisis and financial collapse is due entirely to the community organizers emboldened by Janet Reno to advance the failed CRA. thank you Jimmy Carter.

lauwda said:
Let me rephrase the question dainelson. Why do these CDOs and CDS currently exist as they do now if they are a detriment to our economy?? (Hint: two reasons)

Because of liberal social engineering, sweetpea. And your boy’s too big to fail policy that he wasted almost a trillion dollars on. Now, sweetpea, the liberal version. Enlighten all of us. Be sure to remind us how 0bama’s trillion dollars saved us, too.

lauwda said:
Let me rephrase the question dainelson. Why do these CDOs and CDS currently exist as they do now if they are a detriment to our economy?? (Hint: two reasons)

Oh, and sweetpea, isn’t it funny that the self proclaimed economics major, Valkyrie, has not chimed in yet???

ndanielson said:
Nope. The peanut farmer gave us the CRA. The CRA was given more TEETH under BJ and the development of CDO’s EXPLODED in 1994 from ZERO. They took a severe hit in 2001 and 2002 due to the junk bond market failure, that BJ oversaw and led to the very recession that Bush inherited. The origins of the housing crisis and financial collapse is due entirely to the community organizers emboldened by Janet Reno to advance the failed CRA. thank you Jimmy Carter.

No doubt the CRA was a catalyst to the subprime mortgage failure. Fair point. Your almost there tho. Again I pose my question to you. Why do these CDOs and CDSs continue to exist as they do NOW If they are such a detriment to our economy?? I’ve given you the hints all you have to do is use logic at this point.

ndanielson said:
The origins of the housing crisis and financial collapse is due entirely to the community organizers emboldened by Janet Reno to advance the failed CRA.

There’s another possibility. Just maybe, your assertion is false.

lauwda said:
No doubt the CRA was a catalyst to the subprime mortgage failure. Fair point. Your almost there tho. Again I pose my question to you. Why do these CDOs and CDSs continue to exist as they do NOW If they are such a detriment to our economy?? I’ve given you the hints all you have to do is use logic at this point.

Let me rephrase it for you: I say they exist entirely because of the peanut farmer, BJ Clinton, community organizers and Barry 0bama. And you say: ?

ndanielson said:
Nope. The peanut farmer gave us the CRA. The CRA was given more TEETH under BJ and the development of CDO’s EXPLODED in 1994 from ZERO. They took a severe hit in 2001 and 2002 due to the junk bond market failure, that BJ oversaw and led to the very recession that Bush inherited. The origins of the housing crisis and financial collapse is due entirely to the community organizers emboldened by Janet Reno to advance the failed CRA. thank you Jimmy Carter.

I thought we were past the “lazy poor people that couldn’t pay their mortgage caused the financial crisis” argument. Apparently not.

ndanielson said:
Oh, and sweetpea, isn’t it funny that the self proclaimed economics major, Valkyrie, has not chimed in yet???

Aww come on. That’s not fair. Senator Sherrod brown proposed to break up the banks. Let’s be truthful here here. Third time why do CDS and CDO continue to exist as thy do now. Don’t be a partisan hack

im_lovin_it said:
I thought we were past the “lazy poor people that couldn’t pay their mortgage caused the financial crisis” argument. Apparently not.

Really? Who settled it? When? Cite any time, who, what where was it settled? Consensus maybe? Wow. I never thought it was settled. Tell me when did I miss that? And point out anywhere is even said the word lazy poor in ANY post I have ever made here. I bet you can’t.

Obama will never voluntarily allow his original birth certificate to be disclosed, because it shows his claimed father, Obama the black Muslim Luo tribesman, is not in fact his birth father. The Luo adopted him.

Resolution of these matters will require official investigations by agencies like a congressional committee, which can subpoena documents and things, such as birth certificates and DNA. That’s the only way to ascertain Obama’s actual identity.

Why can’t Trump get RINO Issa, Chairman of House Oversight, to subpoena the “vital records” referred to by Dr. Fukino to show Obama was at birth a natural born U.S. citizen (“The Manchurian President” page 76). Trust Dr. Fukino, but verify.

Odds are the “vital records” are Obama’s original birth certificate and amended birth certificate. Since Dr. Fukino found Obama to be natural born, the Luo tribesman could not be his birth father, and “Dreams from My Father” was a colossal hoax. That must be a key reason why Obama will never voluntarily release the original birth certificate. That and distracting the People from Mr. Obama’s acquisition of Indonesian citizenship as a young lad.

ndanielson said:
Let me rephrase it for you: I say they exist entirely because of the peanut farmer, BJ Clinton, community organizers and Barry 0bama. And you say: ?

That’s answer is only 1/2 of the first answer. Come on almkst there

lauwda said:
Aww come on. That’s not fair. Senator Sherrod brown proposed to break up the banks. Let’s be truthful here here. Third time why do CDS and CDO continue to exist as thy do now. Don’t be a partisan hack

Sure, sweetpea. I won’t be a partisan hack. I don’t care why they exist in your opinion, really, and I have told you why they exist. Period.

ndanielson said:
Hey sheep, here is your dodge queen, Valkyrie. Poor Val can’t tell the difference between a Constitutional government and a socialist one. Thinks that reading Marx is a bad way to learn about economics, the degree he allegedly holds! The military is socialist? LOL. No meritocracy in the military??? Really? You’re a joke. Too bad about that wasted tuition! LOL.

Well yes, reading Marx is a bad way to learn about economics. That is true. Its mostly gibberish. As for our military, which is owned completely by the federal government, and funded by tax dollars, it is quite obviously socialist. I know that is an inconvenient fact, but that is how our forefathers set it up. They really did not have anything against socialist systems. That is why, for example, Washington went for the creation of the federal government owned “First Bank”. Of course socialist systems are incorporated in the governments of almost every country, besides our own. Especially Israel.

ndanielson said:
Sure, sweetpea. I won’t be a partisan hack. I don’t care why they exist in your opinion, really, and I have told you why they exist. Period.

This is lauwda. finally on a computer. Its really not my opinion. Fact really. Just look at the congressional votes.

ndanielson said:
Really? Who settled it? When? Cite any time, who, what where was it settled? Consensus maybe? Wow. I never thought it was settled. Tell me when did I miss that? And point out anywhere is even said the word lazy poor in ANY post I have ever made here. I bet you can’t.

Do a search for “cra caused financial crisis” or something to that effect. Spend about 10 minutes reading. The end.

im_lovin_it said:
I thought we were past the “lazy poor people that couldn’t pay their mortgage caused the financial crisis” argument. Apparently not.

Giving loans to those who cannot repay them is a healthy banking strategy? Really? And, do you have to be lazy to be poor, or are you just a bigoted hack? Apparently so.

Trump has proved 3 things:
1. Obama was not born in the USA
2. Obama doesn’t know who his father was
3. Obama was most likely born with an STD that he has to hide

ndanielson said:
Giving loans to those who cannot repay them is a healthy banking strategy? Really? And, do you have to be lazy to be poor, or are you just a bigoted hack? Apparently so.

Come on Dainelson, if i give you the answers i would be a true Dem that you would despise. Jedi mind tricked you into research and look you got 1/2 of 1 answer and 1 more to go. Come on man i’m rooting for you.

ndanielson said:
Giving loans to those who cannot repay them is a healthy banking strategy? Really? And, do you have to be lazy to be poor, or are you just a bigoted hack? Apparently so.

Dittohead speak. Aka… nonsense.You’re babbling.

valkyrie101 said:
Well yes, reading Marx is a bad way to learn about economics. That is true. Its mostly gibberish. As for our military, which is owned completely by the federal government, and funded by tax dollars, it is quite obviously socialist. I know that is an inconvenient fact, but that is how our forefathers set it up. They really did not have anything against socialist systems. That is why, for example, Washington went for the creation of the federal government owned “First Bank”. Of course socialist systems are incorporated in the governments of almost every country, besides our own. Especially Israel.

A meritocracy is socialist? Tell me more, Val. Have you tried to get any tuition refunded?

im_lovin_it said:
Do a search for “cra caused financial crisis” or something to that effect. Spend about 10 minutes reading. The end.

And read the federal reports on their conclusion??? Genius! I trust Sowell’s reasoning much more than the wolves guarding the hen house. Novel idea, huh?

The American Spectator has a great article as well. From it:

The problem is summed up succinctly by Stan Liebowitz of the University of Texas at Dallas:

From the current handwringing, you’d think that the banks came up with the idea of looser underwriting standards on their own, with regulators just asleep on the job. In fact, it was the regulators who relaxed these standards–at the behest of community groups and “progressive” political forces.… For years, rising house prices hid the default problems since quick refinances were possible. But now that house prices have stopped rising, we can clearly see the damage done by relaxed loan standards.

And the full article: http://spectator.org/archives/2009/02/06/the-true-origins-of-this-finan

Always good to read, and read, and read both sides to make up your own mind. I’m still waiting for the economy major Valkyrie to chime in. He’s mysteriously absent. OOOOhhhhhh Vaaaaaal…

…at the behest of community groups and “progressive” political forces…hmmm.

ndanielson said:
A meritocracy is socialist? Tell me more, Val. Have you tried to get any tuition refunded?

And read the federal reports on their conclusion??? Genius! I trust Sowell’s reasoning much more than the wolves guarding the hen house. Novel idea, huh?

The American Spectator has a great article as well. From it:

And the full article: http://spectator.org/archives/2009/02/06/the-true-origins-of-this-finan

Always good to read, and read, and read both sides to make up your own mind. I’m still waiting for the economy major Valkyrie to chime in. He’s mysteriously absent. OOOOhhhhhh Vaaaaaal…

…at the behest of community groups and “progressive” political forces…hmmm.

Look at you doing the research. Too bad it doesn’t explain why CDS and CDOs still exist. That comes down to logic. Your first answer you said Obama/Clinton *ding ding ding*. Theres one more part. to that answer.

The second answer involves what happened during Greenspans term as Fed chairman.

Liberal Tormentor said:
Hey libs, does it bother you at all, that a terrorist admits he wrote Obama’s first book? I’m just curious at what point you say, ok, enough is enough with this guy?

Bill Ayers at MSU March 24, 2011

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OfIZDYm0a54&feature=player_embedded

He was making a joke you moran. Good god you people can’t really be this dense.

louda said:
Come on Dainelson, if i give you the answers i would be a true Dem that you would despise. Jedi mind tricked you into research and look you got 1/2 of 1 answer and 1 more to go. Come on man i’m rooting for you.

What’s the matter? Losing that Jedi skill?

notsofast said:
Trump has proved 3 things:
1. Obama was not born in the USA
2. Obama doesn’t know who his father was
3. Obama was most likely born with an STD that he has to hide

He was born with ambiguous genitalia is my guess.

miraclelurker said:
He was making a joke you moran. Good god you people can’t really be this dense.

Liberals always know what someone else meant to say. How do you guys do it??? Is that a Jedi mind trick???

miraclelurker said:
He was making a joke you moran. Good god you people can’t really be this dense.

Yea. I’m still ‘laughing.’ It’s gonna make a GREAT political ad. ;)

If the Republicans wanted to prove something they should have done it before he was elected the first time. I doubt history will say we had a Kenyan president.

ndanielson said:
But, skypet, your boy didn’t write his books, while leading all you little sheep to believe that he did.

People can’t be this stupid and still function, can they?

louda said:
Look at you doing the research. Too bad it doesn’t explain why CDS and CDOs still exist. That comes down to logic. Your first answer you said Obama/Clinton *ding ding ding*. Theres one more part. to that answer.

The second answer involves what happened during Greenspans term as Fed chairman.

Dude, I’m starting to feel your Jedi mind trick. Keep going. Think haaaaaaaard. Pretend really hard that I care, too. I think you can!

ndanielson said:
Liberals always know what someone else meant to say. How do you guys do it??? Is that a Jedi mind trick???

Reminds of when they claimed and some still do that Palin said “I can see Russia from my house.” They can’t tell the difference from SNL and reality and this loon comes here and claims that Ayers was “making a joke.” Funny stuff.

miraclelurker said:
People can’t be this stupid and still function, can they?

Only the ones who rely on hope and miracles are too stupid to function. Know what I mean?

ndanielson said:
Liberals always know what someone else meant to say. How do you guys do it??? Is that a Jedi mind trick???

Ok, so you can still function. I’m impressed.

Why is anyone still talking about this? You can go to Snopes.com and see the president’s birth certificate and durring the campaign the birth announcement from the newspaper was shown also! Maybe 50 years ago a guy could have ran for president from another country and probably would have fooled people. But today with computers there are thousands of ways to find out whatever you want to know about people, including where they were born!

ndanielson said:
Only the ones who rely on hope and miracles are too stupid to function. Know what I mean?

ndanielson said:
People can’t be this stupid and still function, can they?

By the way, who types for you?

valkyrie101 said:
But socialism is not something that Marx came up with, since there are socialist systems included in our Constitutional government, such as our socialist military, the post office, Dept. of Highways, etc.

Well, Val, just which type of Socialism are you talking about?Democratic Socialism? Leninism? Marxist Socialism? Market socialism?

The touchstone of Socialism is public ownership og the means of production and often the prohibition of private property, neither of which exists in the USA , nor is it desired in the USA.

ndanielson said:
By the way, who types for you?

I think ‘garth’ types for him.

miraclelurker said:
Ok, so you can still function. I’m impressed.

Like a top. Impressed even further, huh? Do I care that you’re impressed? It would be a miracle, but keep hoping.

Robert Stephenson Hearts Mark Schultz said:
Yea. I’m still ‘laughing.’ It’s gonna make a GREAT political ad. ;)

Of course it will make a good ad for the right. Dishonesty is their mo …. always. It will be their downfall too.
I’m not surprised tho that many on the right think Ayers wasn’t joking, humor, irony and nuanced ideas and concepts are completely lost on them.

ndanielson said:
What’s the matter? Losing that Jedi skill?

Losing Jedi skill? Don’t understand what that means after i posed my question.

ndanielson said:
Dude, I’m starting to feel your Jedi mind trick. Keep going. Think haaaaaaaard. Pretend really hard that I care, too. I think you can!

So looks like you can’t answer and decide to change the subject. I guess typical teabagger tactics. at least your a half brained teabagger now. You should thank me.

miraclelurker said:
People can’t be this stupid and still function, can they?

I have read your posts and apparently YOU can.

notsofast said:
Well, Val, just which type of Socialism are you talking about?Democratic Socialism? Leninism? Marxist Socialism? Market socialism? The touchstone of Socialism is public ownership og the means of production and often the prohibition of private property, neither of which exists in the USA , nor is it desired in the USA.

if that’s true than how does a healthcare bill equate to socialism as many conservatives have said?

ndanielson said:
Like a top. Impressed even further, huh? Do I care that you’re impressed? It would be a miracle, but keep hoping.

I’ve long given up on the fright-wing. There’s no hope for stupid.

Nationman said:
if that’s true than how does a healthcare bill equate to socialism as many conservatives have said?

The government deciding what gets covered and how much will be paid is controlling the production of hospital and doctors’ services.

Montecore said:
Why is anyone still talking about this? You can go to Snopes.com and see the president’s birth certificate and durring the campaign the birth announcement from the newspaper was shown also! Maybe 50 years ago a guy could have ran for president from another country and probably would have fooled people. But today with computers there are thousands of ways to find out whatever you want to know about people, including where they were born!

It was a fake newspaper announcement obviously, because the obama’s knew that one day their son would become president and destroy america with their magic muslim powers.

notsofast said:
The government deciding what gets covered and how much will be paid is controlling the production of hospital and doctors’ services.

By that logic the U.S. postal service is a socialist endeavor, the post office sets the price of stamps.

ndanielson said:
Dude, I’m starting to feel your Jedi mind trick. Keep going. Think haaaaaaaard. Pretend really hard that I care, too. I think you can!

so you can’t answer the question thats why you don’t care. So basically you don’t care that the Feds gave trillions to the banks recently but you would rather attack NPR cause the get what 100 million or so in government funding. thats why people don’t take teabaggers seriously.

Nationman said:
By that logic the U.S. postal service is a socialist endeavor, the post office sets the price of stamps.

It is, son!

And it was provided for by the US Constitution. You have never read the Constitution, son?

Nationman said:
if that’s true than how does a healthcare bill equate to socialism as many conservatives have said?

Entitlement. Look it up.

Nationman said:
By that logic the U.S. postal service is a socialist endeavor, the post office sets the price of stamps.

but you can use UPS

louda said:
Come on Dainelson, if i give you the answers i would be a true Dem that you would despise. Jedi mind tricked you into research and look you got 1/2 of 1 answer and 1 more to go. Come on man i’m rooting for you.

Who types for you?

louda said:
Losing Jedi skill? Don’t understand what that means after i posed my question.

So looks like you can’t answer and decide to change the subject. I guess typical teabagger tactics. at least your a half brained teabagger now. You should thank me.

Aww, sweetpea, I don’t play along with your games and now I am a teabagger? Is your chin bruised, now? Someone should thank you for your bruised chin.

notsofast said:
It is, son! And it was provided for by the US Constitution. You have never read the Constitution, son?

So you’re saying our founders are socialists? Karl marx must’ve been taking notes from them.

notsofast said:
I have read your posts and apparently YOU can.

You have to be some kind of special stupid to believe Ayers was being serious that he wrote Obama’s first book. And I really don’t believe any of you believe that anyway. You’re just too morally bankrupt to be honest about it.

Nationman said:
By that logic the U.S. postal service is a socialist endeavor, the post office sets the price of stamps.

and you dont have to use the postal service if you dont want too.

louda said:
attack NPR cause the get what 100 million or so in government funding. thats why people don’t take teabaggers seriously.

If they get one red cent to be democrat shills, that is too much. Clown. Seriously. And 100 million to be liberal shills? Utter clown.

Nationman said:
So you’re saying our founders are socialists? Karl marx must’ve been taking notes from them.

LOL

That’s what you said son.

Section 8 of Constitution:

Section 8 – Powers of Congress

The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;
he United States;

To coin Money, regulate the Value thereof, and of foreign Coin, and fix the Standard of Weights and Measures;

To establish Post Offices and Post Roads;

To raise and support Armies

etc!

Read the Constitution, you libs!

cjd ohio 1 said:
but you can use UPS

yes, and you can get corporate healthcare under the law as well.

miraclelurker said:
miraclelurker says:
March 28, 2011 at 6:15 pm miraclelurker(Quote)

You obviously played the Scarecrow in the Wizard of Oz son.

ndanielson said:
If they get one red cent to be democrat shills, that is too much. Clown. Seriously. And 100 million to be liberal shills? Utter clown.

That is why you are such clueless clowns.

ndanielson said:
A meritocracy is socialist? Tell me more, Val. Have you tried to get any tuition refunded?

“Meritocracy”?

notsofast said:
Well, Val, just which type of Socialism are you talking about?Democratic Socialism? Leninism? Marxist Socialism? Market socialism? The touchstone of Socialism is public ownership og the means of production and often the prohibition of private property, neither of which exists in the USA , nor is it desired in the USA.

Nice to see you make those important distinctions, the word socialism means different things to different people. Using your defininition of socialism, and with regard to our military, and my theory that our military is an example of a socialist system created by our Constitution: Is it publically owned and funded? Yes. Are private militaries permitted? No.

Nationman said:
yes, and you can get corporate healthcare under the law as well.

but you have to mail a letter no matter what , is that what you are saying……even though i dont have anything to send i have to use one of the services……..USPS , fed ex, ups

notsofast said:
It is, son>

notsofast said:
LOL That’s what you said son. >

yes I did and you agreed with me. I have read the constitution, and clearly our founders wanted a government entity to exist, say like government healthcare.

ndanielson said:
Who types for you?

Aww, sweetpea, I don’t play along with your games and now I am a teabagger? Is your chin bruised, now? Someone should thank you for your bruised chin.

Bruised? felt like a scratch. You did avoid to answer the CDS question during the first go around. You failed to answer the last question. However I’ll gladly give you my email so I can educate you properly instead of doing it through mediaite. I promise i’ll do it free of charge. Or if you want your free to answer the question here. Again i ask. Why do CDOs and CDS exist in their current state if they are detrimental to our economy? negative points for either name calling or changing the subject.

Ellen Carey Rowe said:
You have to be some kind of special stupid to believe Ayers was being serious that he wrote Obama’s first book. And I really don’t believe any of you believe that anyway. You’re just too morally bankrupt to be honest about it.

You already said that, dummy.

Nationman said:
yes I did and you agreed with me. I have read the constitution, and clearly our founders wanted a government entity to exist, say like government healthcare.

and calling it socialist is idiotic is my point.

louda said:
your should be you’re

your should be you’re

cjd ohio 1 said:
but you have to mail a letter no matter what , is that what you are saying……even though i dont have anything to send i have to use one of the services……..USPS , fed ex, ups

you pay for the u.s. postal service no matter what through taxes, so in effect you are using it.

valkyrie101 said:
Using your defininition of socialism, and with regard to our military, and my theory that our military is an example of a socialist system created by our Constitution: Is it publically owned and funded?

It is provided for in the Constitution son, but neither is the govt. ownership of the means of production or the abolishment of private property.

BTW, why are you libs changing the topic away from the fact that Barry was foreign born?

Nationman said:
you pay for the u.s. postal service no matter what through taxes, so in effect you are using it.

not according to the law, the postal service is suppose to be self sufficient

notsofast said:
It is provided for in the Constitution son, but neither is the govt. ownership of the means of production or the abolishment of private property. BTW, why are you libs changing the topic away from the fact that Barry was foreign born?

is that why they had those newspapers announcing his birth? pretty sure we answered you just chose to ignore the point.

Ellen Carey Rowe said:
You have to be some kind of special stupid to believe Ayers was being serious that he wrote Obama’s first book. And I really don’t believe any of you believe that anyway. You’re just too morally bankrupt to be honest about it.

The linguistic structure of his books have been compared quite closely to “0bama’s”. You’d have to be morally bankrupt, and full of wishful thinking to not even look into it and see plainly in the prose that the authors are one and the same. Jack Cashill has all but proved it to all except the non-believing sheep.

Nationman said:
and clearly our founders wanted a government entity to exist, say like government healthcare.

LOL

That’s so funny, son.

There was no health care in 1787 when the Constitution was signed.!

barahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

Nationman said:
is that why they had those newspapers announcing his birth?

Son, birth announcements are submitted to newspapers by the Parents!

LOL

cjd ohio 1 said:
not according to the law, the postal service is suppose to be self sufficient

originally when it was founded it was funded by taxpayer money it was only in 1971 that it was made into a seperate entity.

notsofast said:
BTW, why are you libs changing the topic away from the fact that Barry was foreign born?

Where is your evidence ad ignorantium?

To respond to your asinine post above, you still didn’t explain why the Constitution allows for a socialistic tenet. That’s why he brought it up and you responded with a strawman.

notsofast said:
LOL That’s so funny, son. There was no health care in 1787 when the Constitution was signed.! barahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

I’m equivocating the two dumbass.

Nationman said:
originally when it was founded it was funded by taxpayer money it was only in 1971 that it was made into a seperate entity.

true, so now your tax money is not suppose to support it………kinda makes for you government mandated health care look different now

notsofast said:
Son, birth announcements are submitted to newspapers by the Parents! LOL

http://whatreallyhappened.com/WRHARTICLES/obamabirth.php
notice that a residential address is given idiot.

valkyrie101 said:
ndanielson said:
A meritocracy is socialist? Tell me more, Val. Have you tried to get any tuition refunded?

“Meritocracy”?

Yeah, what a concept, huh. Looks almost exacly like the structure of the US Military. Funny, huh?

Meritocracy, in the first, most administrative sense, is a system of government or other administration (such as business administration) wherein appointments are made and responsibilities assigned to individuals based upon their “merits”, namely intelligence, credentials, and education,[1] determined through evaluations or examinations.

Although meritocracy as a term is a relatively recent invention, the concept originates from the works of Han Feizi and Confucius, along with other Legalist and Confucian philosophers. The first meritocracy was implemented in the 2nd century BC, by the Han Dynasty, which introduced the world’s first civil service exams evaluating the “merit” of officials.[2]

Meritocracy itself is not a form of government, but rather an ideology. Meritocracy itself is frequently confused as being a type of government, rather than correctly as a methodology or factor used in or for, the appointment of individuals to government. Individuals appointed to a meritocracy are judged based upon certain merits which could range from intelligence to morality to general aptitude to specific knowledge. A criticism of this methodology is that [3] “merit” itself is a highly subjective term, potentially lacking in clarity and therefore open to misuse.

louda said:
Bruised? felt like a scratch.

Enough teabagging on your chin will cause a cleft chin, and permanent bruising. Have you given up on your Jedi exercises already?

cjd ohio 1 said:
true, so now your tax money is not suppose to support it………kinda makes for you government mandated health care look different now

I’m talking about how it was constitutional mandated not by how some politicians have screwed things up. LOL

ndanielson said:
Yeah, what a concept, huh. Looks almost exacly like the structure of the US Military. Funny, huh? Meritocracy, in the first, most administrative sense, is a system of government or other administration (such as business administration) wherein appointments are made and responsibilities assigned to individuals based upon their “merits”, namely intelligence, credentials, and education,[1] determined through evaluations or examinations. Although meritocracy as a term is a relatively recent invention, the concept originates from the works of Han Feizi and Confucius, along with other Legalist and Confucian philosophers. The first meritocracy was implemented in the 2nd century BC, by the Han Dynasty, which introduced the world’s first civil service exams evaluating the “merit” of officials.[2] Meritocracy itself is not a form of government, but rather an ideology. Meritocracy itself is frequently confused as being a type of government, rather than correctly as a methodology or factor used in or for, the appointment of individuals to government. Individuals appointed to a meritocracy are judged based upon certain merits which could range from intelligence to morality to general aptitude to specific knowledge. A criticism of this methodology is that [3] “merit” itself is a highly subjective term, potentially lacking in clarity and therefore open to misuse. Enough teabagging on your chin will cause a cleft chin, and permanent bruising. Have you given up on your Jedi exercises already?

Completely skipping the fact that every soldier gets free healthcare.

heck, social security, medicare are socialist, its have far that the people want it in the system here

Nationman said:
originally when it was founded it was funded by taxpayer money it was only in 1971 that it was made into a seperate entity.

And those crazy capitalists at FED EX and UPS can actually deliver mail and packages at…A…PROFIT! Wow.

cjd ohio 1 said:
heck, social security, medicare are socialist, its have far that the people want it in the system here

agreed, that’s why it’s pretty idiotic for people to jump straight to the label of socialist when ever any government programs are brought into the fray.

ndanielson said:
And those crazy capitalists at FED EX and UPS can actually deliver mail and packages at…A…PROFIT! Wow.

are you questioning our founding fathers wisdom?

Nationman said:
Completely skipping the fact that every soldier gets free healthcare.

Join the military and leave my healthcare alone. Clown.

ndanielson said:
Join the military and leave my healthcare alone. Clown.

straight to the name calling and skillfully avoiding all facts.

ndanielson said:
And those crazy capitalists at FED EX and UPS can actually deliver mail and packages at…A…PROFIT! Wow.

Should i have said Ignoring is also considered negative points?

how far is far enough, that is why the label is thrown around

Nationman said:
agreed, that’s why it’s pretty idiotic for people to jump straight to the label of socialist when ever any government programs are brought into the fray.

Certification of Live Birth. This only certifies that a birth certificate is in the vault in Honolulu’s Dept. of Health.

Understand that between 1911 to 1972, anyone 1 year older or older could apply for a late birth certificate. I know, the certification says live birth certificate. That only means that the child was born alive.

Ask yourself a question. Why not just release the vault copy? Why spend over a million dollars of your personal money to keep it suppressed?

As to the newspaper announcements, we know that they could have been called in. How do I know? 3 teams worked for 2 1/2 months from Kenya to Honolulu during the primaries of 2008 the result of which was then used in all 19 US District Court cases filed. My teams that produced much more evidence, 452 pages worth. I’ve only posted the simplest of questions herein.

Nationman said:
are you questioning our founding fathers wisdom?

If they made provisions for a bloated inefficient bureaucracy to exist indefinitely at taxpayer expense??? You’re damn right. Don’t you? But you show me that provision and that intent, ANYWHERE.

Nationman said:
Completely skipping the fact that every soldier gets free healthcare.

and the military is neither a republic or democracy

cjd ohio 1 said:
how far is far enough, that is why the label is thrown around

Personally I think the debate needs to start with what’s effective rather than what fits under a certain category.

jb@baro.com said:
Certification of Live Birth. This only certifies that a birth certificate is in the vault in Honolulu’s Dept. of Health. Understand that between 1911 to 1972, anyone 1 year older or older could apply for a late birth certificate. I know, the certification says live birth certificate. That only means that the child was born alive. Ask yourself a question. Why not just release the vault copy? Why spend over a million dollars of your personal money to keep it suppressed? As to the newspaper announcements, we know that they could have been called in. How do I know? 3 teams worked for 2 1/2 months from Kenya to Honolulu during the primaries of 2008 the result of which was then used in all 19 US District Court cases filed. My teams that produced much more evidence, 452 pages worth. I’ve only posted the simplest of questions herein.

So you’re saying that the obamas knew their son would one day become president and called in that request to a newspaper? man this is just like the manchurian candidate.

cjd ohio 1 said:
and the military is neither a republic or democracy

yeah but it’s not a seperate entity, it’s under the direction of our republic.

louda said:
Should i have said Ignoring is also considered negative points?

Oh hell yeah. Your jedi mind trick was getting to me. This will definitely do it for sure. Is that a dimple on your chin, or are you just getting excited now?

ndanielson said:
If they made provisions for a bloated inefficient bureaucracy to exist indefinitely at taxpayer expense??? You’re damn right. Don’t you? But you show me that provision and that intent, ANYWHERE.

If you’re referring to the fact that it was under taxpayer money, then yes, it was originally supported by taxpayer money.

Nationman said:
Personally I think the debate needs to start with what’s effective rather than what fits under a certain category.

but you lose a little freedom with that approach, maybe not much now, but how far do you go

Nationman said:
yeah but it’s not a seperate entity, it’s under the direction of our republic.

you also get food, shelter etc……….but fewer freedoms than civilians have

cjd ohio 1 said:
but you lose a little freedom with that approach, maybe not much now, but how far do you go

true, personally I’m for effective government. I think there needs to be more of a check to that kind of abuse but I believe that government is a good solution for a lot of problems where corporations fail.

cjd ohio 1 said:
you also get food, shelter etc……….but fewer freedoms than civilians have

Doesn’t change the fact that it is by definition a socialist endeavor.

Nationman said:
Completely skipping the fact that every soldier gets free healthcare.

Completely oblivious that now everybody has a right to that free health care. It used to be that people like you wouldn’t be able to get in without keeping your mouth shut. The military is now a RIGHT, not a privilege. I know so many that are exiting the military, not just because of DADT, but the ROI get so many killed just to be spit on by liberals. Way to go liberalism! Soon we’ll have liberals protecting us? Wow.

Nationman said:
Doesn’t change the fact that it is by definition a socialist endeavor.

Semantics are a liberals favorite games. With a good dose of moral and civil relativism.

Nationman said:
true, personally I’m for effective government. I think there needs to be more of a check to that kind of abuse but I believe that government is a good solution for a lot of problems where corporations fail.

but finding that balance, america right now is the closes on the planet, that is where things get tricky

cjd ohio 1 said:
you also get food, shelter etc……….but fewer freedoms than civilians have

And you actually have to DO SOMETHING and EARN YOUR KEEP.

Nationman said:
Doesn’t change the fact that it is by definition a socialist endeavor.

would you want to live with that direct control by the government all your life

ndanielson said:
Completely oblivious that now everybody has a right to that free health care. It used to be that people like you wouldn’t be able to get in without keeping your mouth shut. The military is now a RIGHT, not a privilege. I know so many that are exiting the military, not just because of DADT, but the ROI get so many killed just to be spit on by liberals. Way to go liberalism! Soon we’ll have liberals protecting us? Wow.

really? how many people? Most reports i’ve seen on DADT were that the soldiers felt it was ok. Spit on by liberals? Why because they’d rather not see them die on the ground in backwater holes?

cjd ohio 1 said:
would you want to live with that direct control by the government all your life

no i’d rather not have random corporate interests having direct control over my life either.

Nationman said:
If you’re referring to the fact that it was under taxpayer money, then yes, it was originally supported by taxpayer money.

I am referring to the fact that they are no longer needed. There are more efficient ways to move mail and parcels around the globe without fleecing the taxpayer for an inefficient bureaucracy, by force.

ndanielson said:
Semantics are a liberals favorite games. With a good dose of moral and civil relativism.

did you ever answer that guys question? Or were you to wrapped up in screaming like a little child?

ndanielson said:
I am referring to the fact that they are no longer needed. There are more efficient ways to move mail and parcels around the globe without fleecing the taxpayer for an inefficient bureaucracy, by force.

My point was that the founding father supported a government entity existing as a public service. What is your point again?

notsofast said:
It is provided for in the Constitution son, but neither is the govt. ownership of the means of production or the abolishment of private property. BTW, why are you libs changing the topic away from the fact that Barry was foreign born?

But “socialism” is not a totalistic system. It is a sub-system. Many countries have socialist medical care, and even government owned banks, but otherwise, they run the capitalist system. The utility of using a socialist system with respect to our military needs would seem to me to justify also using the same model to deal with our collective medical needs. Using the tool of socialism, in a limited and prudent way, is not the same thing as your communist takeover dream.

Nationman said:
really? how many people? Most reports i’ve seen on DADT were that the soldiers felt it was ok. Spit on by liberals? Why because they’d rather not see them die on the ground in backwater holes?

I have two daughters that are officers leaving the military, and one nephew. No re-upping. And try walking through any SF, restaurant even in military dress and see the reaction. Portland OR was just as rude. And top brass lied through their teeth about DADT.

ok danielson since i have to go maybe you should sleep on it. Hopefully i’ll see you again on these msg boards and then after after it filters through your teabagging brain you’ll answer. so again here it is

Why do we still have CDOs and CDS if they are detrimental to our economy?

ndanielson said:
I have two daughters that are officers leaving the military, and one nephew. No re-upping. And try walking through any SF, restaurant even in military dress and see the reaction. Portland OR was just as rude. And top brass lied through their teeth about DADT.

that’s weird, i’m currently paying my way through college right now as a waiter and everytime i’ve seen someone in uniform I’ve seen people go over to them and tell them how much they appreciate what they’ve done for the country. I’m also from new jersey, the notoriously rude state.

Nationman said:
My point was that the founding father supported a government entity existing as a public service. What is your point again?

Career politicians were the farthest thing on the Founding Father’s minds. The also had in mind that those who served did so to serve their countries, not themselves.

Nationman said:
that’s weird, i’m currently paying my way through college right now as a waiter and everytime i’ve seen someone in uniform I’ve seen people go over to them and tell them how much they appreciate what they’ve done for the country. I’m also from new jersey, the notoriously rude state.

That’s even weirder, cause I said SF and you think I said NJ, or really care. Have you ever seen code pink at a military funeral? I have. Up close.

louda said:
ok danielson since i have to go maybe you should sleep on it. Hopefully i’ll see you again on these msg boards and then after after it filters through your teabagging brain you’ll answer. so again here it is

Why do we still have CDOs and CDS if they are detrimental to our economy?

Keep the jedi thing going!

Nationman said:
did you ever answer that guys question? Or were you to wrapped up in screaming like a little child?

Nationman said:
did you ever answer that guys question? Or were you to wrapped up in screaming like a little child?

come on now, he’s not going to answer. he’s more worried about teabagging Obama.

Nationman said:
did you ever answer that guys question? Or were you to wrapped up in screaming like a little child?

You still play the answer my question game, too???

louda said:
come on now, he’s not going to answer. he’s more worried about teabagging Obama.

Damn I’ve said I answered. You want the answer you want to hear. Is that just a liberal thing or what? Some gotcha game?

Obamo’s getting his ASS kicked every day and he totally deserves it. Keep up the great work, everyone. All those Bush-haters out there have to just sit there are take what ‘Their Boy’ is getting.

ndanielson said:
Damn I’ve said I answered. You want the answer you want to hear. Is that just a liberal thing or what? Some gotcha game?

you should like sarah now.. come on man really?

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Sean68 said:
…just present it and shut these nuts up…come on…why not?

Does EVERY Black man have to show his papers to you to prove his citizenship, or just ones that are more successful than you?

–Cobra

ChrisNH said:
Obamo’s getting his ASS kicked every day and he totally deserves it. Keep up the great work, everyone. All those Bush-haters out there have to just sit there are take what ‘Their Boy’ is getting.

too bad you weren’t here earlier, you would have seen danielson getting his ass kicked.

Nationman said:
that’s weird, i’m currently paying my way through college right now as a waiter and everytime i’ve seen someone in uniform I’ve seen people go over to them and tell them how much they appreciate what they’ve done for the country. I’m also from new jersey, the notoriously rude state.

you are missing my point, why a you going to school, working you way through. You have a drive for sucess, but if you parents would take care of you for the rest of your life would you? America is for people that have a drive, not saying that we dont take care of our sick and disabled we are a society, but we are a country with right to drive yourself to sucess, not the right not to fail………sometimes you have to play without a saftey net

Nationman said:
that’s weird, i’m currently paying my way through college right now as a waiter and everytime i’ve seen someone in uniform I’ve seen people go over to them and tell them how much they appreciate what they’ve done for the country. I’m also from new jersey, the notoriously rude state.

Let me guess. You’re not one of those “people” are you?

On Page 1 and then continuing on pages 6-9 in this thread, I asked how Trump arrived at the billion dollar figure for what our Libyan operations have cost, thus far or “already” as he phrases it in the clip. In response, I was pointed toward several articles quoting one thinktank that estimated a range of $400m to $1b depending on the article and for undefined “initial costs”.

ABC just published numbers from an official Pentagon estimate of $600m for the first week.

Cobra said:
Does EVERY Black man have to show his papers to you to prove his citizenship, or just ones that are more successful than you? –Cobra

Yes. Only the successfsul ones. You’re safe.

louda said:
too bad you weren’t here earlier, you would have seen danielson getting his ass kicked.

By you dummy? Are you too stupid to know that there are 16 pages for all to see your ignorant posts?

cjd ohio 1 said:
you are missing my point, why a you going to school, working you way through. You have a drive for sucess, but if you parents would take care of you for the rest of your life would you? America is for people that have a drive, not saying that we dont take care of our sick and disabled we are a society, but we are a country with right to drive yourself to sucess, not the right not to fail………sometimes you have to play without a saftey net

See, there are people that are incapable of doing what you ask. I think we need a system where there is a way to help people back on their feet but again, helps them back on their feet rather than let’s them stay in the same place.

Robert Stephenson Hearts Mark Schultz said:
Let me guess. You’re not one of those “people” are you?

If i said no, would it make a difference in the way you’ve already classified me in your head?

ndanielson said:
That’s even weirder, cause I said SF and you think I said NJ, or really care. Have you ever seen code pink at a military funeral? I have. Up close.

notoriously liberal and rude place and they still pay their respects to people in uniform. That was my point.

Robert Stephenson Hearts Mark Schultz said:
Let me guess. You’re not one of those “people” are you?

I’ve also got cousins and an uncle in the service so go back to your hole in the ground.

Nationman said:
notoriously liberal and rude place and they still pay their respects to people in uniform. That was my point.

Good for them. They should. But now that it is a right to serve in the military, well, who knows what type of character is in uniform. That was my point.

Nationman said:
See, there are people that are incapable of doing what you ask. I think we need a system where there is a way to help people back on their feet but again, helps them back on their feet rather than let’s them stay in the same place.

yes back on the feet, but not a free ride

ndanielson said:
Good for them. They should. But now that it is a right to serve in the military, well, who knows what type of character is in uniform. That was my point.

how is not a right to be able to serve ones country honorably?

Nationman said:
how is not a right to be able to serve ones country honorably?

alot of people are denied that “right”

cjd ohio 1 said:
yes back on the feet, but not a free ride

agreed.

cjd ohio 1 said:
alot of people are denied that “right”

mostly for disabilities.

Hey Donald, if you’re listening, look into the camera and ask the coward 0bama why he let Lt. Col. Terry Lakin go to prison to keep his BC hidden. Open up a new can of worms on the coward. Anyone in their right mind would stepped up over something so petty as a birth certificate. Is his sex on the BC listed as Male or Female, or undetermined? Inquiring minds want to know.

cjd ohio 1 said:
yes back on the feet, but not a free ride

also with the exception of disabilities i assume.

crimes in the past, drugs, no high school or GED, overweight ,and sorry for the typos did not take typing in high school years and years ago

ndanielson said:
Hey Donald, if you’re listening, look into the camera and ask the coward 0bama why he let Lt. Col. Terry Lakin go to prison to keep his BC hidden. Open up a new can of worms on the coward. Anyone in their right mind would stepped up over something so petty as a birth certificate. Is his sex on the BC listed as Male or Female, or undetermined? Inquiring minds want to know.

And now you’re just pointing out your own hypocrisy. If someone had something akin to that about bush, you would’ve jumped all over them.

Nationman said:
also with the exception of disabilities i assume.

agreed

Nationman said:
how is not a right to be able to serve ones country honorably?

Shouldn’t the military be the sole decider of who is and who isn’t fit for service, and based on what ever criteria they see fit? Or should congress dictate who they must accept? And can’t you just wait for the discrimination lawsuits?

Nationman said:
And now you’re just pointing out your own hypocrisy. If someone had something akin to that about bush, you would’ve jumped all over them.

So at least I’d be consistent, huh?

ndanielson said:
Shouldn’t the military be the sole decider of who is and who isn’t fit for service, and based on what ever criteria they see fit? Or should congress dictate who they must accept? And can’t you just wait for the discrimination lawsuits?

most of the military was actually for the resolution. Did discrimination lawsuits come about when they disegragated the military?

ndanielson said:
So at least I’d be consistent, huh?

no you’d be inconsistent, if someone were to say to bush release all records regarding the reasons for invading Iraq for instance and then was court martialed for disobeying orders, you conservatives would have a field day attacking him.

Nationman said:
most of the military was actually for the resolution. Did discrimination lawsuits come about when they disegragated the military?

DADT is a different animal, and a toughy subject…….can gays fight hell yeah, its garrison duty and living arrangements where things get sticky

Nationman said:
most of the military was actually for the resolution. Did discrimination lawsuits come about when they disegragated the military?

No. Most of the military was not. That is what you were told. In no small part, but because of the lawsuit door being opened. Nobody wants to serve anymore. Why should they? Honor has been removed from deciding under which capacity you may serve. It is a “right” for anyone to serve. With all due respect, you don’t really grasp that do you?

cjd ohio 1 said:
DADT is a different animal, and a toughy subject…….can gays fight hell yeah, its garrison duty and living arrangements where things get sticky

someone acts improperly, court martial them. Simple enough. If there proves to be more problems then let the military act accordingly. You need to at least give them a chance before just completely dismissing them.

It is a good thing for Obama that he does not live near the border like I do. For years we had to show our birth certificate to cross into Canada. The last few years we have needed a passport or enhanced driver’s license. He would have had difficulties crossing the border without a birth certificate!

Nationman said:
someone acts improperly, court martial them. Simple enough. If there proves to be more problems then let the military act accordingly. You need to at least give them a chance before just completely dismissing them.

i am not dismissing it, do you seperate gay and straightr men?

ndanielson said:
No. Most of the military was not. That is what you were told. In no small part, but because of the lawsuit door being opened. Nobody wants to serve anymore. Why should they? Honor has been removed from deciding under which capacity you may serve. It is a “right” for anyone to serve. With all due respect, you don’t really grasp that do you?

who are these people you are talking about? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:DADT_Defense_Department_report.pdf
the defense report says otherwise 70 percent of personell do.

cjd ohio 1 said:
DADT is a different animal, and a toughy subject…….can gays fight hell yeah, its garrison duty and living arrangements where things get sticky

No. It is a “right” issue. If anyone and every one has the “right” where does “the few, the proud the marines” fit? Non military are clueless to the internal struggle they created. They’ve neutered the military. There is no honor when just anyone that liberals decide can serve, can serve. Discrimination suits are coming. Just wait.

Nationman said:
who are these people you are talking about? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:DADT_Defense_Department_report.pdf
the defense report says otherwise 70 percent of personell do.

I talk to officers in the Marines EVERY day. I don’t care what wiki says.

Linda Marie Lovison said:
It is a good thing for Obama that he does not live near the border like I do. For years we had to show our birth certificate to cross into Canada. The last few years we have needed a passport or enhanced driver’s license. He would have had difficulties crossing the border without a birth certificate!

He has also admitted to smoking pot and using cocaine. You could come nowhere near a nuclear facility in the military with those credentials. Amazing, huh?

Nationman said:
someone acts improperly, court martial them. Simple enough. If there proves to be more problems then let the military act accordingly. You need to at least give them a chance before just completely dismissing them.

Let the lawsuits begin!

Scenario: He won’t let me do blah blah blah because I am gay. Hey, here’s a clue: keep your mouth shut if your gay. What a concept, huh?

I wonder how much Trump is going to spend to have those old Howard Stern interviews buried? Do’h

Nationman said:
who are these people you are talking about? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:DADT_Defense_Department_report.pdfthe defense report says otherwise 70 percent of personell do.

i know we got off subject but don’t just quit

ndanielson said:
I talk to officers in the Marines EVERY day. I don’t care what wiki says.

it’s a report from the pentagon actually so yeah, who do you have again? random conversations with people you know?

cjd ohio 1 said:
i am not dismissing it, do you seperate gay and straightr men?

no, like I said, if they act innappropriately court martial them.

ndanielson said:
No. It is a “right” issue. If anyone and every one has the “right” where does “the few, the proud the marines” fit? Non military are clueless to the internal struggle they created. They’ve neutered the military. There is no honor when just anyone that liberals decide can serve, can serve. Discrimination suits are coming. Just wait.

where are the statistics on these mass droves of people leaving the military anyhow?

Nationman said:
no, like I said, if they act innappropriately court martial them.

but we seperate straight men and straight women for the exact same reasons

ndanielson said:
Let the lawsuits begin! Scenario: He won’t let me do blah blah blah because I am gay. Hey, here’s a clue: keep your mouth shut if your gay. What a concept, huh?

what happened to personal responsibility? If they want to talk about their sexuality around people that may or may not accept it, then let them make that decision and then let them handle the consequences.

Nationman said:
no you’d be inconsistent, if someone were to say to bush release all records regarding the reasons for invading Iraq for instance and then was court martialed for disobeying orders, you conservatives would have a field day attacking him.

You have confused the concept of refusing to take illegal orders from an illegitimate CIC with taking a conscientious objective stance on principle. In which case, one would ask: why sign up anyway, if you don’t want to kill, and/or die, to defend your country?

Millions, wow!! That’s a lot of money.

Nationman said:
what happened to personal responsibility? If they want to talk about their sexuality around people that may or may not accept it, then let them make that decision and then let them handle the consequences.

What happened to a military that was designed to win wars with warriors of their choosing? We now have a military that WILL BE BOGGED DOWN IN LAWSUITS. Way to go liberals. I would not serve today. My kids are bailing out, but are open to returning.

Garth said:
Millions, wow!! That’s a lot of money.

0bama has spent ten times that amount on lavish dinners and parties since his inauguration, what are you talking about, clown?

Nationman said:
no, like I said, if they act innappropriately court martial them.

cjd ohio 1 said:
but we seperate straight men and straight women for the exact same reasons

Nationman said:
it’s a report from the pentagon actually so yeah, who do you have again? random conversations with people you know?

Nobody sweetpea.

cjd ohio 1 said:
but we seperate straight men and straight women for the exact same reasons

We seperate them because they are a majority. The majority of men will have sex with women. there are still very few gay people in the world today.

ndanielson said:
Nationman said:
what happened to personal responsibility? If they want to talk about their sexuality around people that may or may not accept it, then let them make that decision and then let them handle the consequences.

And LET THE LAWSUITS BEGIN. Top military brass has nothing more to do, afterall, just ask a liberal.

ndanielson said:
What happened to a military that was designed to win wars with warriors of their choosing? We now have a military that WILL BE BOGGED DOWN IN LAWSUITS. Way to go liberals. I would not serve today. My kids are bailing out, but are open to returning.

by whom? do you have evidence at all?

Nationman said:
there are still very few gay people in the world today.

Bingo! And they have just CO-OPTED THE ENTIRE US MILITARY!

ndanielson said:
And LET THE LAWSUITS BEGIN. Top military brass has nothing more to do, afterall, just ask a liberal.

and again, a lot of them supported an end to DADT

ndanielson said:
Bingo! And they have just CO-OPTED THE ENTIRE US MILITARY!

if there were a very few black men in the army would you have been against desegregation?

Nationman said:
We seperate them because they are a majority. The majority of men will have sex with women. there are still very few gay people in the world today.

that sir is weak, and what are the stats on gay people 3-10 percent of the population which in the military would be30,000-to 100,000

Nationman said:
by whom? do you have evidence at all?

You mean when Pfc “Pat” complains that Sgt “Jean” was turned down for a promotion because he was gay??? Nope. No evidence at all that that will happen, but just another legal arm of the congress into the control of WARRIORS that wage war.

Nationman said:
if there were a very few black men in the army would you have been against desegregation?

I love black men. My wife is black. Without black men my wife would not exist.

Nationman said:
if there were a very few black men in the army would you have been against desegregation?

sexuality and skin color are two totally different things

ndanielson said:
I love black men. My wife is black. Without black men my wife would not exist.

good for you. Now imagine how it would feel if they said your wife or her father for that matter wasn’t allowed to serve in a particular unit based on their skin color and then they told you it would just be too hard to deal with a desegrated military. Same thing, different bias.

cjd ohio 1 said:
sexuality and skin color are two totally different things

it’s who they are so it’s at least ridiculously similar.

Nationman said:
We seperate them because they are a majority. The majority of men will have sex with women. there are still very few gay people in the world today.

we seperate them because of sexuality, and harrassment that is why there is seperate showers, and barracks

Nationman said:
it’s who they are so it’s at least ridiculously similar.

lol

Nationman said:
We seperate them because they are a majority. The majority of men will have sex with women. there are still very few gay people in the world today.

see the devil is in the details, but nobody wants to address it

Nationman said:
good for you. Now imagine how it would feel if they said your wife or her father for that matter wasn’t allowed to serve in a particular unit based on their skin color and then they told you it would just be too hard to deal with a desegrated military. Same thing, different bias.

Imagine trying to run a military that has been around since the beginning of our founding and then having an outside entity that tells you how you will now run it. Wow. I don’t want my family in your military, and they are leaving on their own free will, but, beyond DADT, the ROI are wrong, and so many more will flee from military service. The ones who leave for good, will have no tales of honor and service to country to speak of that will inspire younger generations to enlist. Good luck with your military, and gird your loins.

cjd ohio 1 said:
that sir is weak, and what are the stats on gay people 3-10 percent of the population which in the military would be30,000-to 100,000

well there is a waiting period on the dadt bill, the president, the secretary of defense and joint chiefs of staff have to certify based on the information from the pentagon that the repeal is working. So basically it’s a wait and see game.

ndanielson said:
Imagine trying to run a military that has been around since the beginning of our founding and then having an outside entity that tells you how you will now run it. Wow. I don’t want my family in your military, and they are leaving on their own free will, but, beyond DADT, the ROI are wrong, and so many more will flee from military service. The ones who leave for good, will have no tales of honor and service to country to speak of that will inspire younger generations to enlist. Good luck with your military, and gird your loins.

Let’s let the military opt to go to back to segregation then. Congress shouldn’t be telling it what to do.

Nationman said:
well there is a waiting period on the dadt bill, the president, the secretary of defense and joint chiefs of staff have to certify based on the information from the pentagon that the repeal is working. So basically it’s a wait and see game.

no a good thing with the defense of the country huh. hope you local police dept doesn’t have that wait and see game

cjd ohio 1 said:
we seperate them because of sexuality, and harrassment that is why there is seperate showers, and barracks

most of the harrasement is usually targeted against the gay person, that’s been the fear from the military to begin with. And like I said, if the gay person is willing to deal with the consequences of coming out to his fellow soldiers then so be it.

cjd ohio 1 said:
no a good thing with the defense of the country huh. hope you local police dept doesn’t have that wait and see game

the local police department doesn’t discriminate based on sexuality.

Nationman said:
most of the harrasement is usually targeted against the gay person, that’s been the fear from the military to begin with. And like I said, if the gay person is willing to deal with the consequences of coming out to his fellow soldiers then so be it.

lol how one sided stereotype you have of gay people

cjd ohio 1 said:
lol how one sided stereotype you have of gay people

more of a statistic really. Like I said there are definitely far fewer gay people than straight people, what’s one gay person going to do, harrass the twenty guys he’s bunking with?

Nationman said:
more of a statistic really. Like I said there are definitely far fewer gay people than straight people, what’s one gay person going to do, harrass the twenty guys he’s bunking with?

no, but he may harrass one, but that is fine with you if it serves you views it seems, have you been in the military? it is not like a co-ed dorm

cjd ohio 1 said:
no, but he may harrass one, but that is fine with you if it serves you views it seems, have you been in the military? it is not like a co-ed dorm

so we’re stopping gays from joining the military based on one potential gay person, not on the overall behavior of the troops?

Nationman said:
so we’re stopping gays from joining the military based on one potential gay person, not on the overall behavior of the troops?

i already told you i am not against gays in the military, but the details of it seem to escape you

cjd ohio 1 said:
i already told you i am not against gays in the military, but the details of it seem to escape you

and so we should look at every potential case, from that gay guy that looked at somebody funny to the one guy that has a weird lisp.

Nationman said:
and so we should look at every potential case, from that gay guy that looked at somebody funny to the one guy that has a weird lisp.

see, easy no details, things just magically happen for you, after college see how the real world works, have fun

Nationman said:
And now you’re just pointing out your own hypocrisy. If someone had something akin to that about bush, you would’ve jumped all over them.

You’re wasting your time with the ndanielson guy. When God was dishing out brains, he was standing in line with a thimble. Ignore him.

TampopoLoco said:
And Trump is going to spend at least $100million for the pleasure of finding out that he’s not as important as he thinks he is. This is the same guy who had a casino go bankrupt right?

Cisco said:
A certified birth certificate is a very different animal than a Certificate of Live Birth (COLB) that was posted on the Internet and claimed as proof of birth in Hawaii. COLB’s are also noted in newspaper’s as births. Again, more nonsense. In all 57 states, there is only one standard for proof of birth and that is the Certificate Of Birth, certified and under seal. Stop the BS and obfuscation of fact and make the case of live birth by producing the document.

Go ask that birther Colonel to find his birth certificate. Isn’t he in the hosegow in a carrotsuit?

OK morons, listen up!

GBR (whom the family lovingly refers to as “Goober-Brained Retard) put our son, BOMBSHELL JR. on a bus to Thule, Greenland. He told our boy there would be a kitten waiting for him when he got to Greenland, and you know how our son is ALWAYS asking everyone he meets to buy him a kitten.

Well, the kid is sort of dimwitted just like his ol’ man, and so I’m stepping in until we get him back to provide moral support for my ol’ man, and you’d danged well better NOT mess with me! Just know that I am GBR’s ol’ lady, and give me the respect I demand.

Did Matt Schneider attend the Joseph Goebbels school of PR? The spin is in and Mediaite’s really overdoing the Trump trump up on Birtherism. Trump may be a great real estate honcho but he is equally well known for being a self-serving buffoon.It’s about time that you Obama haters realized that you’re being played for suckers, and it’s probably deliberate on the part of the devilishly clever Democrats. There’s tons of proof that Obama was born in the US of A. Yes, there might be some things buried about his background, but don’t you think that’s been true of many Presidents? You just don’t get that this guy is handling more stuff in a positive, brilliant, professional manner than any President since Roosevelt, Eisenhower and Johnson. All you can say about him is that he was born in Kenya or wherever, that he once slipped and said there are 57 states and reads from a teleprompter and, of course, he’s a Muslim communist/fascist/socialist hater of America. Look at what he did recently in Libya. He goes to Rio, but at the same time he’s organized a great way to save a lot of lives in Libya and push Ghadaffi further out the door without getting us overly involved in the process. Also, he was handed a mess that he had very little to do in creating. How nuts can you get and how far will your denial take you. A few years from now most of you will deny you ever went on about this garbage, just like you’re wondering how you ever thought Bush II was a great politician. Get a life and join the rest of humanity.

Consider the hypocrisy of a President who is insistent that every American must show proof of having an Insurance policy but doesn’t need to show proof of citizenship before acquiring the benefits of being an American.

Then again, I had to show proof of citizenship when I was getting a Top Secret clearance as a rocket scientist. My father and mother and three brothers all had to show the same documents, plus others. With Obama, I knew more about Palin in 4 days than I’ve learned about Obama in 4 years.

He could show the documents and settle the questions. Not only the birth certificate, but what passports did he do all his traveling on to Africa, the Middle East and Russia? What does he show on his applications to American Colleges? Where did the money come from for his tuition?

Obama restricts that information. He has spent millions of dollars hiding that information. Such effort to suppress such innocent documentation just generate more interest in just what he is hiding. Simple to solve, if you are innocent

Obimbo produces a legitimate “BIRTH-CERTIFICATE”, proves legal citizenship…..end of story. The Liberal apologizers can run as much interference as they want, the fact is, he needs only to show a legal birth-certificate…what’s the problem?!

This is interesting….. The actual birth certificate gets produced many times, evidence is shown that no moneys have been paid to any lawyers to cover up anyting and these stupid birthers just don’t seem to get it. The real reason why Trump is playing the birther card is because is is so easy and it still works on the extreme number of red necked idtios who get their news from opinion pushing fake news outlets like Fox News. These people are nothing more than a collective of mindless idiots who are simply Obama haters that love to be led around by the nose by people with absolutely no personal or journalistic integrity like Limbauagh, Palin, O’ Reilly, Hannity, Beck, Coulter, Bachman, Huchabee and all the kids on Fox.

I think several of these birther nuts, believe this crap! The rest, such as Trump and anyone with half a brain are playing to the simpletons. Trump doesn’t want this to end, for then he looks foolish! Trump was ready to spend 100 million to become president, why not offer “one million” to anyone who can prove Obama wasn’t born in this country, then he would walk right into the oval office!(for a fact). This will never happen, EVER, because it’s all a load of crap!
Every tea that says the reason it won’t be discovered is because it’s being covered up,(another load) should learn to get over it and shut up.If your beat, your beat, but it’s all a lie anyway!

Ware de bif certifkit?

caconservative said:
Obimbo produces a legitimate “BIRTH-CERTIFICATE”, proves legal citizenship…..end of story. The Liberal apologizers can run as much interference as they want, the fact is, he needs only to show a legal birth-certificate…what’s the problem?!

He’s already done so. So, what IS the problem?

Pablo said:
He’s already done so. So, what IS the problem?

Well no one hates BO as much as I do and this does it for me. Thanks for posting. Now on to bigger and better things.

Does anyone here know why this proof isn’t sufficient?