And once again, blacks defend other blacks based solely on the color of their skin. It’s a shame.

espo222 said:
And once again, blacks defend other blacks based solely on the color of their skin. It’s a shame.

Did Charles mention your name?

Sean Hannity is a worthless piece of shit.

Look, Tucker apologized for what he said. I think that should have ended this whole thing.

Tiki Barber is a beacon of moral rectitude compared to the punk thug Vick .

Josh Feldman said:
Look, Tucker apologized for what he said. I think that should have ended this whole thing.

I agree, but he gets more air time by continuing to talk about it.

Tucker Carlson continues to show his stupidity.

Why not pull for Michael Vick? He did wrong, he paid for his crime. I’d love to see the guy turn his life around.

Hell, I think anyone who gets an abortion/pays for it is far far worse than what Michael Vick did. And that’s legal.

Killing humans= legal.

Killing dogs= illegal

Go figure!

I am with Charles Barkley. Tucker Carlson is an idiot and a POS to boot.

I’m surprised that Al Sharpton hasn’t tried to bring a harassment suit against Carlson.

Funny that the only kind of redemption conservatives really believe in is the kind that doesn’t exist.

Nacho said:
Sean Hannity is a worthless piece of shit.

As are you and many other people. If you haven’t notice these things are usually said to get your name in the press. And once again in this case it worked… again. Olbermann and Kos have perfected this kind of hyperbole, get your name in the press crap. Or have you forgotten what Markos said about American contractors that were hung from a bridge and burned??? And as far as Charles… he gets crazier as he gets older.

The thing that people are forgetting is that Michael Vick didn’t stop killing dogs because he felt bad, he stopped because he got caught. He is saying that he turned his life around because he wants the endorsements back.

CosmosDan said:
I agree, but he gets more air time by continuing to talk about it.

Yep… and that’s the point of this whole game. Keep your name in the press.

CaptainAmerica said:
Tucker Carlson continues to show his stupidity.

Why not pull for Michael Vick? He did wrong, he paid for his crime. I’d love to see the guy turn his life around.

Hell, I think anyone who gets an abortion/pays for it is far far worse than what Michael Vick did. And that’s legal.

Killing humans= legal.

Killing dogs= illegal

Go figure!

I am also perplexed that if you do this to a dog you go to prison… but a human… no big deal??? Go figure.

Fox News: Serving the Freeper community since 1996 said:
Funny that the only kind of redemption conservatives really believe in is the kind that doesn’t exist.

Cheers…

Big Eddie said:
Tiki Barber is a beacon of moral rectitude compared to the punk thug Vick .

And he left his wife for a 21 y/o intern at NBC. Classy.

Big Eddie said:
Tiki Barber is a beacon of moral rectitude compared to the punk thug Vick .

Talk to BIG Drew about moral rectitude.

espo222 said:
And once again, blacks defend other blacks based solely on the color of their skin. It’s a shame.

espo222 said:
I’m surprised that Al Sharpton hasn’t tried to bring a harassment suit against Carlson.

Right on cue. It’s the Conservative who views issues through a RACIAL lens!

Color Me Badd said:
Charles Barkley is always right.

Now that’s a Republican I can trust!

espo222 said:
The thing that people are forgetting is that Michael Vick didn’t stop killing dogs because he felt bad, he stopped because he got caught. He is saying that he turned his life around because he wants the endorsements back.

I am amazed at your gifts in psychoanalysis! Too bad you can’t make a living utilizing them!

espo222 said:
The thing that people are forgetting is that Michael Vick didn’t stop killing dogs because he felt bad, he stopped because he got caught. He is saying that he turned his life around because he wants the endorsements back.

It’s possible that after getting caught and going through prosecution, he realized he and the act were wrong. Unless you’re a mind reader maybe you shouldn’t 2nd guess other people’s motives.

CosmosDan said:
It’s possible that after getting caught and going through prosecution, he realized he and the act were wrong. Unless you’re a mind reader maybe you shouldn’t 2nd guess other people’s motives.

This was NOT the first time Vick was caught doing something Illegal. Look it up.

Anyone else see this as Barkley possibly trying to dive more into politics? He’s mentioned his mayoral/gubernatorial aspirations before. Carlson is a random person to go after.

Didn’t Carlson allegedly rape somebody but he denied it?

Nacho said:
Didn’t Carlson allegedly rape somebody but he denied it?

Didn’t Nacho allegedly molest a child but he denied it?

Nacho said:
Didn’t Carlson allegedly rape somebody but he denied it?

Perhaps you are thinking of William Kennedy Smith?

Perhaps you are William Kennedy Smith.

tatboy said:
This was NOT the first time Vick was caught doing something Illegal. Look it up.

We;re talking about something more specific than just something illegal.

CosmosDan said:
We;re talking about something more specific than just something illegal.

And people have talked specifically about Vick’s second chance. He had several. By my count he’s on his 3rd or 4 th chance. Just don’t want people here whitewashing who Vick really is.

tatboy said:
And people have talked specifically about Vick’s second chance. He had several. By my count he’s on his 3rd or 4 th chance. Just don’t want people here whitewashing who Vick really is.

I looked it up and didn’t find anything. What are you talking about?

Michael Vick did not suddenly have an epiphany and realize all the he was doing was wrong and turn himself in. If not for the fact he was REPORTED, CAUGHT AND CONVICTED he would still be performing the exact dirty deeds or worse. The ignorant fool with millions of dollars – living large in Duluth GA – just could not resist his blood lust urge to not only engage in illegal dog-fighting rings, but most horribly – he personally torturing and killing defenseless animals. What he did CANNOT be defended as there were absolutely no excuses for his deeds (i.e.,he was poor, he was living in the ghetto with friends that did this and they MADE him go along kicking and screaming)!!!!! Anyone who does not realize this clown never evolved beyond prehistoric man and is a plague on decent society is even sicker than Michael Vick.

Also saying Michael Vick may not have known this was wrong is a huge joke – if he did not know that – why did he engage in underground dog fighting. If he was that stupid or ignorant – he would have been just blabbering about it all over the place – especially since it obviously made him such a happy man to torture and drown dogs with his own hands.

I truly am frightened knowing I live in a country where people exist who believe these type actions are a good thing or can be “forgiven”. That will be up to God – and for people here to believe God is OK with Michael Vick – whoops!

espo222 said:
And once again, blacks defend other blacks based solely on the color of their skin. It’s a shame.

Yeah, that’s such an exclusively “black” conceit, right?

Miss Kathleen here must have a super sized amygdala. God help her.

Big Eddie said:
Tiki Barber is a beacon of moral rectitude compared to the punk thug Vick .

Bahahahaha. While Vick is a supreme piece of shit your man moral rectitude is also the piece of shit who dumped off his PREGNANT wife for his 20 something year old intern.

Forgot you’re a Conservative.

THE AMERICAN CONSERVATIVE MOVEMENT….DO AS WE SAY NOT AS WE DO!

Kathleen Couvillion said:
Michael Vick did not suddenly have an epiphany and realize all the he was doing was wrong and turn himself in. If not for the fact he was REPORTED, CAUGHT AND CONVICTED he would still be performing the exact dirty deeds or worse. The ignorant fool with millions of dollars – living large in Duluth GA – just could not resist his blood lust urge to not only engage in illegal dog-fighting rings, but most horribly – he personally torturing and killing defenseless animals. What he did CANNOT be defended as there were absolutely no excuses for his deeds (i.e.,he was poor, he was living in the ghetto with friends that did this and they MADE him go along kicking and screaming)!!!!! Anyone who does not realize this clown never evolved beyond prehistoric man and is a plague on decent society is even sicker than Michael Vick.

Also saying Michael Vick may not have known this was wrong is a huge joke – if he did not know that – why did he engage in underground dog fighting. If he was that stupid or ignorant – he would have been just blabbering about it all over the place – especially since it obviously made him such a happy man to torture and drown dogs with his own hands.

I truly am frightened knowing I live in a country where people exist who believe these type actions are a good thing or can be “forgiven”. That will be up to God – and for people here to believe God is OK with Michael Vick – whoops!

Too bad “God” is not a vindictive, vitriolic & stuck up woman like you are, Kathleen. Let “God” do the judging. Have a blessed day.

Raygun said:
Yeah, that’s such an exclusively “black” conceit, right?

It’s fucking true.

You’re telling me if it were Favre having a stellar year Obama would come out and say “Let’s praise Brett Favre for overcoming adversity after sending dick pics to a female employee!”

Blacks are just as freaking racist as whites are.

stephenpyle said:
Barkley possibly trying to dive more into politics?

Kathleen Couvillion said:
I truly am frightened knowing I live in a country where people exist who believe these type actions are a good thing or can be “forgiven”. That will be up to God – and for people here to believe God is OK with Michael Vick – whoops!

Gasket said:
Right on cue. It’s the Conservative who views issues through a RACIAL lens!

Fact: I’m one of the most conservative people who post on this site and I personally think Charles Barkley picked a fight that wasn’t his to be in and he is simply an asshole for being into it anyway! That said Barkley is an idiot! Racism has nothing to do with being a conservative and Michael Vick deserves a second chance and all of the true Christians that post here know this! Tucker Carlson is the product of a city boy so I can expect him to feel the way he feels about his bonding between himself and his canine companions! That’s fine too, He doesn’t seem to be enjoying the spotlight of this as a talking point to be discussed as a carrier builder and probably would be fine if it went away and that’s great! Tiki Barber was absolutely correct about the deep woods country folk about dog fighting it’s cruel but excepted by many of all colored people as an entertainment draw with the country gambler! I have read deeply into the bible and I surely can’t remember it stating that dogs are someway divine but I do know in revelations it does mention a few verses of what they do in the last days hunting down the ones that didn’t receive the mark of the devil but missed out on the first callings. This is America so get use to it! It’s a large place it has many points of view and has many different colors, races, platforms, that’s what keeps us from getting stale period! Grow the hell up people this is our world and it will be here when we all pass it bye! I’m fine with my contributions in my world and you should be okay with yours!

Gasket said:
Too bad “God” is not a vindictive, vitriolic & stuck up woman like you are, Kathleen. Let “God” do the judging. Have a blessed day.

Fact: A conservative says your right on this one and only one post but all the other post you have made you are a wacko! Whacky whacky wacko! Wear the white pants suit wacko!

I’m tired of people giving Vick is getting a pass just because he’s Black. Carlson is 100% right. He plays well and his team goes to the playoffs, so now he’s a feel good story of redemption? This guy BROKE THE LAW. He also KILLED DOGS! But now we’re supposed to turn a blind eye and act like all he did was rape some college girl and pay her hush money to make it go away with plenty of help from ESPN? Stop pretending that the fact that he did hard time in prison for his crime means he should be let back in the league. He got off easy. Bastard’s lucky he didn’t get a 4 game suspension!

Glenn Davis said:

” (We’d argue that “saying you think someone deserved the death penalty” to calling someone an idiot isn’t quite a 1:1 comparison.)”

Yes, it is! Both are flamed by issue. Or you think when Carlson asked for death penalty this is going to happen? It’s only a manner to convey outrage….if only for spotlight doing so.

I was once a regular viewer of the TNT Basketball pre-post shows.
When Charles Barkley got there in the early 2000′s everything he talked about involved race.
If he wasn’t goofing on or diminishing the abilities of the white players, he was telling stories about how the black players had a running bet to NOT let white guys dunk on a black player.
Barkley had/has a gambling problem that he claims had him owing 10 million dollars. He’s had a few other run ins with the law. If he were a white guy he would have been banished from television years ago.

Go Barkley, Tucker Carlson is indeed STUPID!!

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Gasket said:
Too bad “God” is not a vindictive, vitriolic & stuck up woman like you are, Kathleen. Let “God” do the judging. Have a blessed day.

So, you JUDGE her to be a vindictive, vitriolic and stuckup woman because you believe that people should not JUDGE one another? Does that sum up your point?

Just4thefax said:
Fact: I’m one of the most conservative people who post on this site and I personally think Charles Barkley picked a fight that wasn’t his to be in and he is simply an asshole for being into it anyway! That said Barkley is an idiot! Racism has nothing to do with being a conservative and Michael Vick deserves a second chance and all of the true Christians that post here know this! Tucker Carlson is the product of a city boy so I can expect him to feel the way he feels about his bonding between himself and his canine companions! That’s fine too, He doesn’t seem to be enjoying the spotlight of this as a talking point to be discussed as a carrier builder and probably would be fine if it went away and that’s great! Tiki Barber was absolutely correct about the deep woods country folk about dog fighting it’s cruel but excepted by many of all colored people as an entertainment draw with the country gambler! I have read deeply into the bible and I surely can’t remember it stating that dogs are someway divine but I do know in revelations it does mention a few verses of what they do in the last days hunting down the ones that didn’t receive the mark of the devil but missed out on the first callings. This is America so get use to it! It’s a large place it has many points of view and has many different colors, races, platforms, that’s what keeps us from getting stale period! Grow the hell up people this is our world and it will be here when we all pass it bye! I’m fine with my contributions in my world and you should be okay with yours!

Michael Vick is from Newport News, Virginia. This is not the deep woods, its a city in the Hampton Roads metropolitan area. Tucker Carlson was born in San Francisco

atreyue said:
I’m tired of people giving Vick is getting a pass just because he’s Black. Carlson is 100% right. He plays well and his team goes to the playoffs, so now he’s a feel good story of redemption? This guy BROKE THE LAW. He also KILLED DOGS! But now we’re supposed to turn a blind eye and act like all he did was rape some college girl and pay her hush money to make it go away with plenty of help from ESPN? Stop pretending that the fact that he did hard time in prison for his crime means he should be let back in the league. He got off easy. Bastard’s lucky he didn’t get a 4 game suspension!

He also threw live cats into pens containing dogs and watched them kill the cats so they would develop a frenzy to carry into the dog fighting area.

RichS said:
Michael Vick is from Newport News, Virginia. This is not the deep woods, its a city in the Hampton Roads metropolitan area. Tucker Carlson was born in San Francisco

Fact: I was raised in both more city than country but did see both sides! Whats the point?

Nacho said:
I looked it up and didn’t find anything. What are you talking about?

Vick was found with pot on several occasions and once he alsO had a gun in the car but the passenger coped to it claiming Vick knew nothing (if you believe that I have some ocean front property in AZ for ya). And one of the times he was trying to get in a plane with his weed. Then there is the shooting at his B-Day party AFTER he was released from prison.

espo222 said:
And once again, blacks defend other blacks based solely on the color of their skin. It’s a shame.

That’s very smilar to right wingers always defending right wingers, even when they say something outrageous and stupid.

RichS said:
He also threw live cats into pens containing dogs and watched them kill the cats so they would develop a frenzy to carry into the dog fighting area.

Yeah, if this were simple dog fighting, that would not be too difficult to get past. But there’s only one way to describe what Vick did with those animals: sadistic. You have to be mentally disturbed to find the things he did enjoyable.

Sumbitch can run, though, can’t he? I’d like to see him go up against a pack of pissed off Rotties.

Host Sean Hannity’s Great American Panel then debated the debate, with former NFL running back/current analyst Tiki Barber saying one must examine Vick’s crimes in context (i.e. that he grew up in area where dog fighting was okay),”

Yes, just another apologist like Whoopi Goldberg who tried to pass this off as just another part of black culture. Hey, if that is part of your culture, I don’t’ care what color you are, your culture is sick and inhumane.

Yeah, let’s let everyone just explain away their deplorable behavior by saying that’s part of my culture.

Nacho said:
Sean Hannity is a worthless piece of shit.

Then you two have something in common.

tatboy said:
Vick was found with pot on several occasions and once he alsO had a gun in the car but the passenger coped to it claiming Vick knew nothing (if you believe that I have some ocean front property in AZ for ya). And one of the times he was trying to get in a plane with his weed. Then there is the shooting at his B-Day party AFTER he was released from prison.

He also tested positive for pot while he was on bail awaiting sentencing on the dog charges.

Yes, just another apologist like Whoopi Goldberg who tried to pass this off as just another part of black culture. Hey, if that is part of your culture, I don’t’ care what color you are, your culture is sick and inhumane.

General Napier in India comes to mind:

“You say that it is your custom to burn widows. Very well. We also have a custom: when men burn a woman alive, we tie a rope around their necks and we hang them. Build your funeral pyre; [then] beside it, my carpenters will build a gallows. You may follow your custom. And then we will follow ours.”

Fox News: Serving the Freeper community since 1996 said:
Funny that the only kind of redemption conservatives really believe in is the kind that doesn’t exist.

Liberals, on the other hand, are all about redemption. Unless the subject is a conservative, of course. The most obvious examples that come to mind are Beck and Limbaugh. I guess recovering addicts don’t deserve the same level of compassion as someone who admitted to killing dogs.

Actually tucker, we aren’t interested in who you’re pulling it for. Just go pull it somewhere else.

Actually tucker, we aren’t interested in who you’re pulling it for. Just go pull it somewhere else.

Judge Mental said:
Liberals, on the other hand, are all about redemption. Unless the subject is a conservative, of course. The most obvious examples that come to mind are Beck and Limbaugh. I guess recovering addicts don’t deserve the same level of compassion as someone who admitted to killing dogs.

right, that’s the main reason they are criticized, for former addictions.

CosmosDan said:
right, that’s the main reason they are criticized, for former addictions.

I didn’t say that’s the main reason they’re criticized. But it is one of the criticisms that’s leveled against them.

Just4thefax said:
Fact: I was raised in both more city than country but did see both sides! Whats the point?

The point is that Michael Vick was not born in the country so that talk about it being common in the country does not apply to him.

espo222 said:
And once again, blacks defend other blacks based solely on the color of their skin. It’s a shame.

One African American defended another African American. Why do you generalize? You sound like a real bigot to me.

Big Eddie said:
Tiki Barber is a beacon of moral rectitude compared to the punk thug Vick .

Why would you mention another African American to compare against Vick? Couldn’t find any white athletes that are down to your standards? Maybe ’cause you are a racist bigot.

valkyrie101 said:
espo222 said:
And once again, blacks defend other blacks based solely on the color of their skin. It’s a shame.

That’s very smilar to right wingers always defending right wingers, even when they say something outrageous and stupid.

For example, consider the right wing fascination with Ted Nugent. The former contender for “anti-Christ”, he of the sex, drugs and rock and roll, was ripping CNN for hiring Spitzer. Are there no limits to right wing irony?

tatboy said:
I am also perplexed that if you do this to a dog you go to prison… but a human… no big deal??? Go figure.

No, people who kill people never go to prison! Wow, are you bright!! And murder is no big deal? I guess you think murderers don’t get arrested? And I guess you think that stomping dogs to death is not such a big deal?

It is not an either/or situation, asshole! All you clowns who bitch about dog killing being a crime while crimes against humans not being a big deal are really, really stupid. Go kiss Palin’s ass while she fake kills a few wolves, you morons!

Judge Mental said:
I didn’t say that’s the main reason they’re criticized. But it is one of the criticisms that’s leveled against them.

Occasionally, and their past addictions don’t need to be mentioned to criticize them.

You might think with past personal addiction issues they might be more forgiving of the past of others rather than using it against them, but we can’t let things like that stand in the way of lucrative careers.

…I mean, all Vick has to do get the right wing crowd on his side, even notwithstanding the dogs, is to start spouting tea party slogans.

tatboy said:
And he left his wife for a 21 y/o intern at NBC. Classy.

Another racist piece of trash that can only find comparisons between two African Americans. You probably think Limbaugh’s three divorces are pretty cool ’cause he’s white.

The Enola Gay said:
It is not an either/or situation, asshole! All you clowns who bitch about dog killing being a crime while crimes against humans not being a big deal are really, really stupid. Go kiss Palin’s ass while she fake kills a few wolves, you morons!

Yep, dogs are sacrosanct, but dog ancestors in the wild are target practice.

Judge Mental said:
Liberals, on the other hand, are all about redemption. Unless the subject is a conservative, of course. The most obvious examples that come to mind are Beck and Limbaugh. I guess recovering addicts don’t deserve the same level of compassion as someone who admitted to killing dogs.

First, I didn’t even know who Glenn Beck was before he appeared on HLN and from what I have read, Glenn Beck was the one boasting about his recovery from a drug problem.

Second, Limbaugh has a history of mocking people, including people with real-life probelms, so that made him a hypocrite when his problem came to light.

Kathleen Couvillion said:
Michael Vick did not suddenly have an epiphany and realize all the he was doing was wrong and turn himself in. If not for the fact he was REPORTED, CAUGHT AND CONVICTED he would still be performing the exact dirty deeds or worse. The ignorant fool with millions of dollars – living large in Duluth GA – just could not resist his blood lust urge to not only engage in illegal dog-fighting rings, but most horribly – he personally torturing and killing defenseless animals. What he did CANNOT be defended as there were absolutely no excuses for his deeds (i.e.,he was poor, he was living in the ghetto with friends that did this and they MADE him go along kicking and screaming)!!!!! Anyone who does not realize this clown never evolved beyond prehistoric man and is a plague on decent society is even sicker than Michael Vick. Also saying Michael Vick may not have known this was wrong is a huge joke – if he did not know that – why did he engage in underground dog fighting. If he was that stupid or ignorant – he would have been just blabbering about it all over the place – especially since it obviously made him such a happy man to torture and drown dogs with his own hands. I truly am frightened knowing I live in a country where people exist who believe these type actions are a good thing or can be “forgiven”. That will be up to God – and for people here to believe God is OK with Michael Vick – whoops!

According to your logic, anyone who commits a crime, and is caught, can never repent, ’cause the only reason he repents is ’cause he was caught. That is incredibly stupid.

I cannot stand Vick, think animal cruelty is cowardly in the most heinous way. But I also cannot stand people who make strawman arguments that cannot possibly stand up in the court of logic.

Judge Mental said:
Liberals, on the other hand, are all about redemption. Unless the subject is a conservative, of course. The most obvious examples that come to mind are Beck and Limbaugh. I guess recovering addicts don’t deserve the same level of compassion as someone who admitted to killing dogs.

Can’t speak to Beck, since I have never listened to him. However, it is not Limbaugh’s drug addiction that I find so reprehensible. (It happens to a lot of people.) It is his extreme hypocrisy. He condemns other addicts (especially those who are poor), yet gives himself a pass. And for Kathleen Couvillion above, the only reason Limbaugh repented is because he got caught!!! So, I guess in your eyes, he is forever damned?

The Enola Gay said:
No, people who kill people never go to prison! Wow, are you bright!! And murder is no big deal? I guess you think murderers don’t get arrested? And I guess you think that stomping dogs to death is not such a big deal?

It is not an either/or situation, asshole! All you clowns who bitch about dog killing being a crime while crimes against humans not being a big deal are really, really stupid. Go kiss Palin’s ass while she fake kills a few wolves, you morons!

Wow… you are a hate filled freak. I don’t have a problem with Vick’s time in prison I feel it was adequate for what he did, justice was served. But playing in the NFL is not a right… it is a privilege. Pete Rose can’t be in the HOF due to his choices. I think the NFL made a wrong decision letting him back in, if not for torture than at least for the fact that he ran a gambling ring. I hunt and see NO connection to the animals I eat and hurting an animal because it gave Vick a boner.

P.S. Where did all this hate come from. you touched inappropriately as a child??? Seek help, get over it, and try to heal.

CosmosDan said:
[T]heir past addictions don’t need to be mentioned to criticize them.

Obviously, and yet I’ve read many comments here bashing them for their addictions.

CosmosDan said:
You might think with past personal addiction issues they might be more forgiving of the past of others rather than using it against them….

That’s true. I don’t know if you’re thinking of something in particular, but I assume you’re not just generalizing. I don’t listen to or watch either one.

The Enola Gay said:
[I]t is not Limbaugh’s drug addiction that I find so reprehensible. (It happens to a lot of people.) It is his extreme hypocrisy. He condemns other addicts (especially those who are poor), yet gives himself a pass.

Fox News: Serving the Freeper community since 1996 said:
Limbaugh has a history of mocking people, including people with real-life probelms, so that made him a hypocrite when his problem came to light.

My point was simply that (some) liberals bash Beck and Limbaugh on the basis that they’re recovering addicts. There is of course nothing wrong with criticizing them for their hypocrisy. If that is in fact what they do.

notsofast said:
Host Sean Hannity’s Great American Panel then debated the debate, with former NFL running back/current analyst Tiki Barber saying one must examine Vick’s crimes in context (i.e. that he grew up in area where dog fighting was okay),” Yes, just another apologist like Whoopi Goldberg who tried to pass this off as just another part of black culture. Hey, if that is part of your culture, I don’t’ care what color you are, your culture is sick and inhumane. Yeah, let’s let everyone just explain away their deplorable behavior by saying that’s part of my culture.

Ohhh, now we have three African Americans we can use for comparison. No whites, just blacks. Must be part of your KKK Kulture. I had forgotten what a stupid racist you are. What Vick did was filthy, disgusting, should be in jail still. But damn! Why do you guys always jump on it so strongly when it’s a black guy?

Judge Mental said:
The Enola Gay said:
[I]t is not Limbaugh’s drug addiction that I find so reprehensible. (It happens to a lot of people.) It is his extreme hypocrisy. He condemns other addicts (especially those who are poor), yet gives himself a pass.
Fox News: Serving the Freeper community since 1996 said:
Limbaugh has a history of mocking people, including people with real-life probelms, so that made him a hypocrite when his problem came to light.
My point was simply that (some) liberals bash Beck and Limbaugh on the basis that they’re recovering addicts. There is of course nothing wrong with criticizing them for their hypocrisy. If that is in fact what they do.

You could say (some) conservatives bash somebody for any reason. The point is, many, many people bash Limbaugh for his extreme hypocrisy, not for his drug addiction, per se.

I personally think Limbaugh is a piece of trash because he condemns folks for his own behavior, because he condemns anyone who he deems not a family values person, while he gets three divorces, because he talks of how patriotic he is while he never even attempted to serve his country, because he has played the birther card, the race card, because he plays that pathetic Barack the Magic Negro piece of racist trash, because he uses the word “boy” when he talks about Obama, knowing full-well how offensive it is. And what really frustrates me is that his audience eats it up.

The Enola Gay said:
Ohhh, now we have three African Americans we can use for comparison. No whites, just blacks. Must be part of your KKK Kulture. I had forgotten what a stupid racist you are. What Vick did was filthy, disgusting, should be in jail still. But damn! Why do you guys always jump on it so strongly when it’s a black guy?

Let me turn your question around on you. Would Barkley have jumped to the defence of Matt Ryan (Mattie Ice) of HE had done the same thing? And if you keep throwing the work racist around it will loose all meaning… if it hasn’t already. Well, let’s face it… it has lost all meaning when certain people use it already.

The Enola Gay said:
You could say (some) conservatives bash somebody for any reason. The point is, many, many people bash Limbaugh for his extreme hypocrisy, not for his drug addiction, per se.

I personally think Limbaugh is a piece of trash because he condemns folks for his own behavior, because he condemns anyone who he deems not a family values person, while he gets three divorces, because he talks of how patriotic he is while he never even attempted to serve his country, because he has played the birther card, the race card, because he plays that pathetic Barack the Magic Negro piece of racist trash, because he uses the word “boy” when he talks about Obama, knowing full-well how offensive it is. And what really frustrates me is that his audience eats it up.

I argee and hate both Olbermann and Rush for the same reasons.

The Enola Gay said:
[M]any, many people bash Limbaugh for his extreme hypocrisy, not for his drug addiction, per se.

I personally think Limbaugh is a piece of trash ….

As I said above (repeatedly), I take issue with liberals criticizing Beck and Limbaugh on the basis that they’re recovering addicts. I never said or implied that they should be immune from criticism on any other basis.

tatboy said:
Let me turn your question around on you. Would Barkley have jumped to the defence of Matt Ryan (Mattie Ice) of HE had done the same thing? And if you keep throwing the work racist around it will loose all meaning… if it hasn’t already. Well, let’s face it… it has lost all meaning when certain people use it already.

You are absolutely right, I think. I think that Barkley wold not have defended Ryan (or someone else). I think Barkley played the race card. What irritates me is when conservatives get bent out of shape about this, and let other things slide (Limbaugh’s hypocrisy, for example). Yes, racist has been used way too much. And I am sure that I am also guilty of it. But the histrionics here are extremely frustrating (especially those who try to say that people should not get so bent out of shape about animals instead of humans — as if either one is more wrong than the other. Animal abuse leads to human abuse.).

tatboy said:
I argee and hate both Olbermann and Rush for the same reasons.

You and I are in agreement on this. I cannot stand Olbermann, cannot stand Limbaugh. And for the life of me, I cannot understand why people listen to these crackpots who are making zillions off of their listeners.

Judge Mental said:
As I said above (repeatedly), I take issue with liberals criticizing Beck and Limbaugh on the basis that they’re recovering addicts. I never said or implied that they should be immune from criticism on any other basis.

For the record, I do not know of anyone who criticizes Limbaugh for his addiction (cannot speak about Beck). I feel sorry for Limbaugh re his addiction (as I do about his hearing problem). I just cannot stand his hypocrisy, and how he fuels hatred.

Judge Mental said:
Obviously, and yet I’ve read many comments here bashing them for their addictions.

There’s no lack of cheap shots here for sure.

Judge Mental said:
That’s true. I don’t know if you’re thinking of something in particular, but I assume you’re not just generalizing. I don’t listen to or watch either one.

I’m more familiar with Beck than Limbaugh but I don’t think either of them makes a real contribution. They’re professional rabble rousers.

The Enola Gay said:
You and I are in agreement on this. I cannot stand Olbermann, cannot stand Limbaugh. And for the life of me, I cannot understand why people listen to these crackpots who are making zillions off of their listeners.

Well to try and hazard at a guess, it’s that those 2 speak to a 10% population of extreme ideology and reassure them that they are right and just in their anger. It’s almost a precursor to a hate rally. Not dangerous in itself but when people on that extreme a fringe find someone to justify there rage it historically has led to bad things.

The Enola Gay said:
I cannot understand why people listen to these crackpots who are making zillions off of their listeners.

It’s a mystery for the ages. I cannot understand how Oprah got to be a billionaire, either. But now I’m way way way off topic.

tatboy said:
Well to try and hazard at a guess, it’s that those 2 speak to a 10% population of extreme ideology and reassure them that they are right and just in their anger. It’s almost a precursor to a hate rally. Not dangerous in itself but when people on that extreme a fringe find someone to justify there rage it historically has led to bad things.

My friend, we are in complete agreement. Unfortunately, hate rarely ends in anything good. Witness how we all get so bent out of shape on Mediaite. We should be above that, but….

Take care, and have a great 2011.

Judge Mental said:
It’s a mystery for the ages. I cannot understand how Oprah got to be a billionaire, either. But now I’m way way way off topic.

Entertainers make more money than people who actually do something for society — like teachers and members of the military. So sad, but we all contribute to it.

The Enola Gay said:
Why would you mention another African American to compare against Vick? Couldn’t find any white athletes that are down to your standards? Maybe ’cause you are a racist bigot.

Maybe because Tiki is part of the story? (RTFP)

The Enola Gay said:
Entertainers make more money than people who actually do something for society — like teachers and members of the military. So sad, but we all contribute to it.

And, to bring it back to the topic at hand, that includes professional athletes like Vick. How out of whack are we as a society that we apparently value entertainers far more than those who provide such valuable and necessary services?

Judge Mental said:
And, to bring it back to the topic at hand, that includes professional athletes like Vick. How out of whack are we as a society that we apparently value entertainers far more than those who provide such valuable and necessary services?

So true. And Vick is now idolized because he has found his football prowess. I like sports, but for God’s sake, cannot people understand what is really important?

I just don’t understand why people are turning this into a right v. left issue. There are only 2 issues here:
1) Does Michael Vick deserve to be forgiven for what he’s done?
2) Is Vick’s skin color deciding whether people give him a pass or persecute him?

For what it’s worth, on #1 I say Vick did his time and the NFL made their decision to let the animal killer play again after doing the same for people killers and rapists of both colors. I let them tend to their own house. The guy may not really be a better person after his jail time, but he’s certainly a better player. Anyone who doesn’t like it should choose to boycott the NFL or the Eagles, or protest however they see fit.

As for the 2nd, ESPN spent and continues to spend time talking about Vick, Woods, Kobe, etc. They all lost sponsors. Roethlisberger raped (allegedly) a college girl and ESPN TRIED NOT TO COVER THE STORY! No one wants to put an asterisk next to his name or thinks he need to be executed. They don’t even mention it! There’s no Roethlisberger expose hitting the shelves of Barnes & Noble and there probably won’t ever be one that addresses his scandal as anything more than a small bump in the road in his illustrious career for one of America’s favorite teams. I think there is clearly a double standard.

If there is a double standard, is it surprising that Black people who are unafraid to acknowledge it are also prone to defend people they see as victims of it?

atreyue said:
ESPN spent and continues to spend time talking about Vick, Woods, Kobe, etc. They all lost sponsors. Roethlisberger raped (allegedly) a college girl and ESPN TRIED NOT TO COVER THE STORY! No one wants to put an asterisk next to his name or thinks he need to be executed. They don’t even mention it! There’s no Roethlisberger expose hitting the shelves of Barnes & Noble and there probably won’t ever be one that addresses his scandal as anything more than a small bump in the road in his illustrious career for one of America’s favorite teams. I think there is clearly a double standard.

The difference, I think, is that Roethlisberger hasn’t been convicted of anything. Add to that the fact that Obama, exercising rather poor judgment, made this an issue when he called Vick’s coach.

Judge Mental said:
The difference, I think, is that Roethlisberger hasn’t been convicted of anything. Add to that the fact that Obama, exercising rather poor judgment, made this an issue when he called Vick’s coach.

Kobe wasn’t convicted of anything, neither was Tiger. And this was a huge issue waaaay before Obama ever got involved.

atreyue said:
Kobe wasn’t convicted of anything, neither was Tiger.

Tiger has admitted to being a philanderer, though. I was under the impression that the allegations against Kobe resulted in little more than a blip in his career, but I admit I haven’t really followed the story.

Judge Mental said:
Tiger has admitted to being a philanderer, though. I was under the impression that the allegations against Kobe resulted in little more than a blip in his career, but I admit I haven’t really followed the story.

How many people in the American spotlight have been proven philanderers and had it affect their careers in any lasting fashion? Much less had the “public” (usually the news media, in actuality) calling for blood so consistently and loudly? Some of our most popular presidents (Kennedy, Clinton) have been known philanderers and it can easily be argued to have enhanced their reputations.

As for Kobe, he was basically the most hated man in basketball for years over his scandal, where it’s pretty obvious that the claimant was just trying to make money and lying about the rape. Unfortunately, it’s not hard to make the case that there are large elements of American media culture that delight in pulling down Blacks that have become rich and successfully, or at least in seeing them go down. I’ve been known here in the past for not seeing everything through a racial tinge, and faced a lot of criticism for it from certain angles. But there’s really no question that there is a racially motivated narrative in American sports that gives much more leeway to the mistakes or faults of white players than their black counterparts.

Earth Peta where are you….here a human is asking for harm to another human….stand up for humans PETA…where are you PETA..sucks…have picture of Tucker eating meat