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Up With Chris Hayes Panel: Rick Perry’s Immigration Stance Gave Him His Pro-Jobs Record

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The sophomore week of MSNBC’s new morning show Up with Chris Hayes was charitable enough to bring with it an explosive 2012 Republican debate, and with that the potential fall of the GOP’s frontrunner. On the program this morning, host Chris Hayes and the panel couldn’t help but notice the “beaming joy” from Mitt Romney as he listened to Perry’s fledgling answers, and from that analysis ended up somewhere deep in the weeds of economic theory.

It was Hayes who seemed most delighted by how little Romney seemed to hide his excitement at Perry stumbling, particularly about a subject as important to conservatives as immigration. To show just how much Perry’s pro-integration arguments affected him, Hayes showed a clip of a member of Fox News’ post-debate focus group who appeared outraged that illegal immigrants were receiving the “service” of higher education from the state. To Hayes, the key to the mentality behind the right on this issue was in the word “served”– “they are not in the mood right now for any other people to get benefits.

Perry’s approach wasn’t entirely distinct from the pro-jobs platform he is running on that attracted so many voters, argued panelist Ezra Klein. Klein took the opportunity to steer the conversation towards why Perry emerged as such a strong candidate right out of the gate in the first place: the Texas jobs record, which he argued was “substantially the product of… a desire not to lock these people out of the job market.” Perry’s key debate mistake, Klein argued, was not simply that he told anti-illegal immigration Republicans they didn’t have a heart: “People who disagree with him don’t really have a good economic plan.”

As it is the lower wage jobs that attract said immigration, panelist Reihan Salam jumped in with a fairly interesting economic theory proposed by California conservative Ron Unz, who suggested that raising the minimum wage was the secret to lowering demand for cheap labor. If said cheap labor wasn’t legal, the desire to hire these workers would subside– a theory just wonky enough to get the rest of the panel extremely excited about challenging the theory, with Klein leading the charge, suggesting the idea led to “a very, very large black market for labor.”

The segment via MSNBC below:

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  • Anonymous

    After being exposed in the Journolist scandal , in a sane world , Ezra Klein would be back working as a bag boy at a grocery store . And not the head bag boy , either .

  • http://twitter.com/BarneyFranken Barney Franken

    I think if Perry ends up being the nominee moments like this should be remembered.
     
    Right now its actually sound strategy by the democrats to illustrate that Rick Perry takes very moderate stances on certain issues. After all, in order to win in the primary you have to play to the base, and MSNBC praising him a little certainly wont help Perry with republican voters.
     
    However, I would expect a full paradigm shift if he wins the nomination. I predict moments like this will be dead and buried in a sea of Perry deathpenalty-hesstupidlikebush-hesafunamentalistchristian stories instead.

    But we will see if this has any real effect. Right now Perry is the only candidate that has a little something for every type of republican voter…keep in mind republican voters tend to be one issue voters more than democrats…
     
    I still dont think Romney has the full trust and support of the party…yet. 
    Romney is iffy on being pro-life, definitely iffy on health care, and who knows if him being a mormon will be a real factor when it comes time to actually vote.

    Perry on the other hand, is only iffy really on his pro-jobs immigration stance, which MSNBC is deftly highlighting here.

  • OSux

    Richard Maddow has a morning show now?

  • OSux

    If Klein was working as a bag boy it would be a promotion from his current job.

  • Nature Freak

    “California conservative Ron Unz, who suggested that
    raising the minimum wage was the secret to lowering demand for cheap
    labor. If said cheap labor wasn’t legal, the desire to hire these
    workers would subside”.

    I actually agree. Ron Unz makes a good point.
    Illegal immigration can create problems for many workers, especially those lower on the socio economic scale. Not everyone can be a college graduate professional. There needs to be a variety of living wage jobs in this country for US citizens.

  • Nature Freak

    The professional elites of the United States benefit the most from illegal immigrant labor (gardeners, nannies, maids etc). Because of this, there is an inherent bias in what many journalists on both the left and right of the political spectrum say regarding illegal immigration.

    The working class does not enjoy those same benefits. Quite the opposite.

  • Darladoon

    ezra klein is the most read blogger in the country, and easily one of the most
    respected

  • Anonymous

    yeah well respected, over at journoList, never mind that group has been terminated lol

  • caconservative

    Doesn’t your humanitarian aspect, and sympathy extend to the real victims of illegal alien trespassing? Namely, the American families that are displaced by these leaches! Don’t they fit into your esoteric, Liberal bleeding-heart BS? When the hell did people who are not suppose to be here start taking preference over legal American citizens and their children, in your mind? Just when did we suspend the law, sovereignty, and the sanctity of legal citizenship, in favor of scumbag illegal alien parasites? When did that happen, little-MR.?!!

  • caconservative

    How about passing and enforcing the E-verify program! How about shutting off all social services, other than immediate emergency care, to illegal parasites. How about enforcing current immigration law? How about we stop shafting American citizens and their children…how about we do that!!

  • ROTFLMAO

    Even by MSNBC standards, THIS is one horrible piece of work!!
    OMG this guy (?) is making Shopton look good!
    No way MSNBC going to keep this clown around long!
    Horrible!!  HORRIBLE
    lol

  • ROTFLMAO

    Ezra Klien?
    EZRA KLIEN????????

    OMG !!!!

    Both of them together on the same MSNBC Show!!
    Rating Magnets!!!!!
    Sheesh!!

  • Anonymous

    Now is this Rachel Maddow or is it Chrie Hayes? Tell them to make-up their mind who’s who.

  • ColbertNation

    Apparently spelling is not a requirement for pontification, or for this discussion board.

  • TbagsRstupid

    HAHAHA
    i get it
    ruchard because she is gay
    you are a hoot
    you probably want to pee in her soup

  • Anonymous

    “Was it was before he was before the social programs..uhm from the standpoint of he was for ahm… standing up for Roe vs Wade before he was against vers uh… Roe vs Wade uhm… he was uhm… for race to the top uhm… he’s… for Obama care now he’s against it.”   -Rick Perry

  • Anonymous

    I think its because they have the same haircut, same glasses, same bra size, and are sniveling little whiners….I think that’s why….

  • Anonymous

    Just to point out what a totally ridiculous, disingenuous liar Chris Hayes is, he actually said very recently that he didn’t “want hacky partisans” on his show…then in his SECOND WEEK he has Ezra Klown on, the creator of the media bastardizing JournoList hacks.

    Hayes wouldn’t last a second under the scrutiny he holds Republicans under.

  • Anonymous

    It sure didn’t take Hayes long to host the source of most of his anti-Republican agitprop, did it?
    Instead of begging Klown and JournoList for anti-Republican attacks, now he can just have Ezra Klown on his show, which is good, because sooner or later Klown is going to step in it and his reputation will take another hit.

  • http://blog.crispen.org/ Rev Bob

    I love how the existence of smart people turns conservative white resentment into conservative white rage, complete with casual homophobia and obedient squawks of “OMG Journo-List!!!” Meanwhile the conservaclones missed the real story. Chris stumbled pronouncing Rachel’s name  while handing off to her a few months ago, and Rachel quipped  right back, “Thank you Lambchop.” Lambchop has his own show! Good for America’s IQ!  

  • ROTFLMAO

    No, she drinks her pee straight out of the original
    container.

  • http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=701491190 Donald P. Trudel

    How very creative of you.
    You should, like, go write for The Simpsons, or something.

  • WardMD

    Forgive me, if I don’t follow Ron’s logic…

    Correct me, if I’m wrong, but isn’t hiring ILLEGAL ALIENS, well, ILLEGAL – NOW?

    Raising the Minimum Wage would simply WIDEN THE GAP between the LEGAL worker and the ILLEGAL ALIEN (willing, in most cases, to work for less).

    Raising the Minimum Wage would make the (albeit ILLEGAL) DEMAND for Illegal Alien workers EVEN GREATER, not less.

    Now, I’m NOT in favor of employers hiring Illegal Aliens, but, I’m ALSO not in favor of the Government PUNISHING employers, yet ignoring (or, in many cases, HELPING) the Illegal Alien themselves!

    For example, in California, our (nearly bankrupt) state wants pass the “Dream Act”, and give “in-state” tuition to Illegal Aliens attending State Colleges.  Keep in mind that these Illegal Aliens, once they HAVE that college degree, WILL STILL NOT be legally entitled to WORK in the United States. 

    WHY, then, are we subsidizing the college education for people who CANNOT legally gain employment (minimum wage or otherwise), and, thus, will NOT become Tax Payers?

    Of course, we ALL KNOW, that the ultimate desire is to grant (yet another) amnesty to these Illegal Aliens.  I’m opposed to that, but even if you’re in favor, shouldn’t we WAIT until they’re LEGAL to allow them to have a subsidized college education?

  • WardMD

    Even the famous Farm Workers’ Union activist (Cesar Chavez) knew the PROBLEM that Illegal Aliens represent.

    HE was OPPOSED to Illegal Aliens coming to the United States, because THEY would take the jobs that LEGAL workers WOULD DO (but at higher price than the Illegal Aliens would).

    But, then, if Cesar Chavez had been a Republican, he would have been called a RACIST, wouldn’t he?

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_FBR3NLMWG2EQPRXWO76HCBNFUQ Kris

    Perry isn’t only pandering to the Latino vote with his stance on immigration….but also to our “job creators,” aka corporations and businessmen associations who more often support Republican candidates, routinely protest stringent anti-immigration laws. Illegal immigrants do not complain about low wages, poor and unsafe working conditions to the anyone because they live in fear….it’s perfect for them.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Dave-Francis/100002158029860 Dave Francis

    TAXPAYERS QUANDARY—ILLEGAL ALIEN
    COSTS 

     

    Encouragingly, as the line-up might
    be for the presidential entries, the race to the White House is gaining speed.
    More drop-outs are expected? The American people will insist on a formula for
    jobs, a growing economy and as a third but combustible issue–illegal and legal
    immigration enforcement. In the majority of Constitutional Conservatives minds
    is Rep. Smith’s mandated E-Verify bill H.R. 2885, known as the “Legal
    Workforce Act.” which could make a positive difference in the number
    of Americans seeking work. As always it’s already got its share of
    pessimists, leftists and a whole bunch of open border activists, who seem to
    prefer to see illegal aliens being hired, instead of lawful Americans. It’s
    further being demonized by the Liberal presses, who have the main captive
    audience, rather the more informative blogs and pro-sovereignty websites on the
    Internet. With the Left wing of the press, the facts never see the light of
    day, just details out of context or plain and simple lies. By Joining THE TEA
    PARTY, we can alter America’s course and return to the founding US Constitution
    and laws, destabilized by both political parties. Returning rights to the
    American People and stop the genuflecting to the Special interests.

     

    E-Verify will join the highly controversial
    “Secure Communities”, The Halt Act (Hinder the Administration’s
    Legalization Temptation Act), The Save Act (The Secure America with
    Verification and Enforcement Act) and the 287 G police laws that are as
    necessary as official deterrents, which can eliminate over a period of time
    decrease the incessant invasion by economic illegal immigrants that trespass
    into our lands. Any cost that business owners can expect, will largely depend
    on how sizable their operations are. E-Verify, the federal electronic program
    checks an employee’s legal work status and is a free program available to
    employers and will be required if  “Legal Workforce Act.” for
    new hires under the sanctions law. You can read more about this law, at the
    (USCIS) U.S. Citizenship & Immigration Services website. By being fully
    informed, you learn that E-Verify is being improved dramatically, not what the
    pro-illegal immigration want you to think? A New E-Verify
    development includes a driver’s license check ability.

     

    Mississippi is the first state to
    make its driver’s license data available to E-Verify, in association, in
    concert with the American Association of Motor Vehicle Administrators. Call
    your Senator or Congressman-Women at 202-224-3121 and insist on them voting for
    the “Legal Workforce Act.”

     

    Getting illegal immigration under
    control will also depend on the American people’s partnership. Seeing any
    suspicious activity in your workplace, you can call Department of Homeland
    Security (DHS)’s Immigration and Customs Enforcement (ICE) division at
    1-866-DHS-2ICE (866-347-2423). Having a suspicion of your employer or possible
    illegal aliens working elsewhere, is all that’s needed? They realize that you
    are not an expert on these situations and just need a phone call.  There
    is never enough room to describe what TRUE information can be located in the
    general press, as many are inhibited by the Special interest groups to fully
    explain. However–much more in-depth information can be absorbed at non-profit
    websites, including Judicial Watch, NumbersUSA and nationwide reports at
    American Patrol. 

     

    Where are some of the 8.5 million
    illegal aliens working, that you might ask? In manufacturing industries as
    among those non-farming companies currently employing some of the 7 to 8.5
    million illegal aliens in our work force.  This is a great place to start
    as a Whistle-Blower, to unveil this illegal market, where Americans could be
    immediately placed. Assuming that President Obama is and his underlings are
    going to follow the law, and then the current stream of sweeping ICE raids will
    continue. If not, you can contact your Congress people and explain your
    suspicions to them. A website called “WEHIREALIENS” a project of the Fire
    Coalition can be located on the Internet by typing it into Google.  You
    can leave any suspicious activities and add it to their growing data base of
    allegedly businesses, which are not following immigration laws.

    Then once the border is fully sealed
    as according to the “2006 Secure Fence Act”; a barrier of two separate fences,
    stretching from Brownsville, Texas to San Diego, California, with fast track US
    Border Patrol roads in between. Two fences instead of partially completed
    single barrier we have now, will be capable of halting the thousands that dodge
    past the border, bringing even more poverty and desperate people into frontier
    states. Then combined with the appearance of 4000 National Guardsman who are
    fully armed and ready for confrontation throughout this dangerous region. After
    all—isn’t that what the National Guards are for, to protect Americans from
    Domestic and foreign enemies?

     

    It is time to remove the estimated 20 to 30 million illegal
    alien invaders within our borders. IT IS TIME TO CUT OUT ILLEGAL IMMIGRATION
    COSTS, INCLUDING THE $113 Billion dollars taken by the IRS and states to
    supplement these invaders income. It is time to amend the
    instant-baby-citizenship law (14th Amendment) , as it’s the most
    expenses burden for taxpayers. Just the TEA PARTY “selected” will enforce the
    1986 Immigration enforcement laws and more, together with stopping any further
    Amnesties of any kind.

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