Face it, Rangel got off easy. If he was a Republican, the news would be all over the place and with stories about how it proves that every Republican is crooked.

The truth is the US is filled with corrupt politicians from both parties but Democrats like Rangel are all over the place.

This should have happened years ago.

I think he got off easy too. If it was one of us there would have been huge fines and/or jail.

If a normal citizen would have done HALF the things Rangel did, they’d be UNDER the jail right now.

And why the applause? Seriously… the man is a stone-cold CROOK! Why his constitutents keep re-electing him is beyond me.

Cue the race pimps in 5, 4, 3, 2, ……

Fact: It’s the only place you can do a crime and not pay the time!

MsUnderestimated said:
If a normal citizen would have done HALF the things Rangel did, they’d be UNDER the jail right now. And why the applause? Seriously… the man is a stone-cold CROOK! Why his constitutents keep re-electing him is beyond me. Cue the race pimps in 5, 4, 3, 2, ……

Fact: That’s Urban Rangel to you!

Most ethical Congress in history.

THAT’S IT??!!

I’ve been more humiliated as a second grader who misbehaved in class and had to stand in the corner for 30 minutes.

This guy does something that would have sent most to jail and he and his cronies are arguing that this little joke of a censure is too much????

Shame on all of them.

He should have been put in jail. Or at least stand there and have every person in Congress rebuke him for a full minute each. This isn’t humiliation, what was done. This is a joke.

I wouldn’t call his remarks exactly “contrite”.

Why the hell did they even bother to bother?

MediaiteCensorsSux said:
I think he got off easy too. If it was one of us there would have been huge fines and/or jail.

ask wesley snipes

ONE MINUTE ? Try getting sentenced for 5 to 10 . Now that’s a bad day .

Big Eddie said:
ONE MINUTE ? Try getting sentenced for 5 to 10 . Now that’s a bad day .

While innocent , of course .

Well, the Mafia has Omerta, the police have the Blue Line, and Congress has the “let’s look out for each other because we are all douchebags feeding at the trough of the American citizens” code.

When you ALL have skeletons in the closet no one wants to really open the closet too wide.

Pretty despicable.

MediaiteCensorsSux said:
I think he got off easy too. If it was one of us there would have been huge fines and/or jail.

What laws did Rangel break? And how come Tom DeLay was never censured? Neither was John Ensign.

MsUnderestimated said:
If a normal citizen would have done HALF the things Rangel did, they’d be UNDER the jail right now.

What laws did he break?

JamesA1102 said:
What laws did he break?

Hid hid his actual income. He didn’t pay his taxes. For 17 fucking years.

Pelosi, Rangel, et al, should be in JAIL!

That was a damned joke. These people have absolutely no shame.

JamesA1102 said:
What laws did he break?

Are you dumb or just playing dumb?

As far as I am concerened he should have been embarrassed enough to retire. I don’t care which party they are they need to go. In the old days what Charlie did was common place. I think they called it PERKS. I worked with the state legislature and the majority of them were what I call crooked. The average person out there has no clue what goes on behind closed doors. One thing I will say for today is that the media does pay closer attention to these activities. In the old days the media was very complacient toward politicans.

juan said:
Pelosi, Rangel, et al, should be in JAIL!

So should Ensign.

BlackWidow said:
So should Ensign.

If memory serves, Ensign was hosing one of his assistants/staffers (like an intern). I don’t think that’s a “jailable” offense. Maybe we should ask Bill Clinton.

Did anyone actually think that the as of right now Dem controlled House was really going to punish a member of the Congressional Black caucus?..just wait Maxine Waters will receive the same wrist slap.

The chair of the committee in charge of the TAX code doesn’t pay taxes for 17 years get a harsh lecture???

Whats next??
Millions in fines?
FIRED from politics?
JAIL?
Anything???

that was ridiculous.

didn’t they censure Joe Wilson, just for saying *you lie*? And this bozo gets the same thing for all that he’s done?

throw da bums out!

JamesA1102 said:
What laws did he break?

BatBoy said:
Are you dumb or just playing dumb

JamesA1102 (who lives in America and benefits from everything it has to offer while moaning and bitching) is the last person that keeps up to date on current events.

dummy123 said:
The chair of the committee in charge of the TAX code doesn’t pay taxes for 17 years get a harsh lecture???

Whats next??
Millions in fines?
FIRED from politics?
JAIL?
Anything???

No, that’s about it.

BatBoy said:
Are you dumb or just playing dumb?

No answer the question. What laws did he break?

sarainitaly said:
that was ridiculous. didn’t they censure Joe Wilson, just for saying *you lie*? And this bozo gets the same thing for all that he’s done? throw da bums out!

As usual Sara (who loves America so much that she lives in a foreign country where she benefits from government healthcare) has her facts dead wrong. No sitting congressman has been censured in 27 years.

http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/93bd3258-fe6c-11df-845b-00144feab49a.html#axzz170QOjnm6

Did not one member of the CBC vote yes?

http://clerk.house.gov/evs/2010/roll607.xml

Figures Grayson and Weiner voted no…

SmartAlec said:
JamesA1102 (who lives in America and benefits from everything it has to offer while moaning and bitching) is the last person that keeps up to date on current events.

What exactly have I been moaning and bitching about? Please provide links.

Charlie, the House doesn’t want tuna with good taste, just tuna that tastes good.

JamesA1102 (who hates America but benefits from everything she has to offer while moaning and bitching) is the last person to claim someone else got their facts wrong.

SmartAlec said:
JamesA1102 (who lives in America and benefits from everything it has to offer while moaning and bitching) is the last person that keeps up to date on current events.

JamesA1102 ( who loves the Planet of the Apes so much that it has become a creepy obsession ruling his adult life) , should really just keep to his dolls .

JamesA1102 said:
No answer the question. What laws did he break?

Hey, dumbass, it’s was called “ethics” violations not law violations- something libs know nothing about, obviously.

timzank said:
Hid hid his actual income. He didn’t pay his taxes. For 17 fucking years.

True, he owes back taxes for a rental property. A lot of people owe back taxes. But exactly what law did he break?

JamesA1102 said:
No answer the question. What laws did he break?

The House ethics committee last month found him guilty of 11 of 13 charges of financial misdeeds, including submitting misleading financial statements and failing to pay all his taxes.

The chairman of the ethics committee, Democratic Rep. Zoe Lofgren of California, said the censure her committee recommended was consistent with a Democratic pledge to run “the most honest, most open, most ethical Congress in history.”

She said Rangel “violated the public trust” while serving in influential positions including chairman of the tax-writing Ways and Means Committee.

The House ethics committee painted Rangel as a congressman who ignored rules of conduct and became a tax scofflaw despite his knowledge of tax law from his long service on the tax-writing Ways and Means Committee.

Rangel chaired that panel until last March, when he stepped down after the committee — in a separate case — found that he improperly allowed corporations to finance two trips to Caribbean conferences.

Rangel shortchanged the IRS for 17 years by failing to pay taxes on income from his rental unit in a Dominican Republic resort. He filed misleading financial disclosure reports for a decade, leaving out hundreds of thousands of dollars in assets he owned.

He used congressional letterheads and staff to solicit donations for a monument to himself: a center named after him at City College of New York. The donors included businesses and their charitable foundations that had issues before Congress and, specifically, before the Ways and Means Committee.

Rangel also set up a campaign office in the Harlem building where he lives, despite a lease specifying the unit was for residential use only.

http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/top/all/7321732.html

We Welcome Charles Rangel Censure, But Criminal Prosecution Must Follow
failing to pay taxes is not only a violation of House rules, but also a crime.
http://www.nlpc.org/stories/2010/12/02/we-welcome-charles-rangel-censure-criminal-prosecution-must-follow

notsofast said:
Hey, dumbass, it’s was called “ethics” violations not law violations- something libs know nothing about, obviously.

JamesA1102 (who hates America but lives here and benefits from everything she has to offer while moaning and bitching) is the last person to know anything about ethics.

JamesA1102 said:
Neither was John Ensign.

What law did he break?

It is a crime to NOT pay your taxes. It is a fineable and a jailable offense. The IRS can choose to prosecute (see Wesley Snipes) or not (see Charlie Rangel).

What fucking planet to you live on?????

What part of “against the law” do you not fathom?????

notsofast said:
Hey, dumbass, it’s was called “ethics” violations not law violations- something libs know nothing about, obviously.

Exactly my point. Ethics violations and law violations are two different things. The original post that I responded to claimed that Rangel should go to jail. Thank you for making my point for me.

JamesA1102 said:
Exactly my point. Ethics violations and law violations are two different things. The original post that I responded to claimed that Rangel should go to jail. Thank you for making my point for me.

If you would wear a hat, no one would notice your point.

SmartAlec said:
JamesA1102 (who hates America but benefits from everything she has to offer while moaning and bitching) is the last person to claim someone else got their facts wrong.

Again please point out my bitching and moaning or where I’ve ever said anything that either directly or indirectly that I hate America. Please provide links that prove your accusations.

Wesley Snipes should file an appeal based on the fact that he only committed an ethical violation according to JamesA (who hates America but lives here and benefits from everything she has to offer while moaning and bitching).

FREE WESLEY!!!

Oh that’s right, at the last minute they changed it from a censure to a *rebuke*. Basically, he got the same thing – a stupid scolding on the house floor.

The Joe Wilson Censure Vote: A Look at Who Crossed Party Lines
By Holly Bailey and Daniel Stone

As expected, the House voted this evening to censure Rep. Joe (You Lie!) Wilson (R-S.C.) for interrupting President Obama’s speech to Congress last week. The vote was 240-179, breaking down largely along party lines.

http://www.newsweek.com/blogs/the-gaggle/2009/09/15/the-joe-wilson-censure-vote-a-look-at-who-crossed-party-lines.html

The House voted, 240-179 and largely along party lines, to publicly rebuke Representative Joe Wilson, Republican of South Carolina, for his brief outburst of “You Lie!” against President Obama during the address before a joint session of Congress. The Democratic leadership pushed for the formal resolution expressing disapproval of his conduct, while Republicans — within and outside the House –denounced the vote as a partisan action.

http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/15/blogging-the-house-action-on-wilson/?hp

This is hilarious:

To not respond to a violation of the rules would be wrong, said Mr. Clyburn, adding:

“Silence is consent. We cannot be silent in this matter, because we do not consent to the conduct of Mr. Wilson.

Don’t pay your taxes, and break 11 ethics violations, no problem! But don’t you DARE call a liar a liar.

Like I said, Joe Wilson got the same treatment, and all he did was call a liar a liar.

JamesA1102 said:
Again please point out my bitching and moaning or where I’ve ever said anything that either directly or indirectly that I hate America. Please provide links that prove your accusations.

JamesA1102 said:
As usual Sara (who loves America so much that she lives in a foreign country where she benefits from government healthcare)

Prove yours first.

sarainitaly said:
http://www.chron.com/disp/story.mpl/ap/top/all/7321732.html We Welcome Charles Rangel Censure, But Criminal Prosecution Must Followfailing to pay taxes is not only a violation of House rules, but also a crime.http://www.nlpc.org/stories/2010/12/02/we-welcome-charles-rangel-censure-criminal-prosecution-must-follow

No one is saying he didn’t commit ethics violations which is what he was found guitly of and censured for.
And didn’t you claim that Joe Wilson was censured despite the truth being that no sitting Member of Congress has been censured in 27 years.

timzank said:
It is a crime to NOT pay your taxes. It is a fineable and a jailable offense. The IRS can choose to prosecute (see Wesley Snipes) or not (see Charlie Rangel). What fucking planet to you live on????? What part of “against the law” do you not fathom?????

So are you claiming that every person who owes back taxes goes to jail except for Charlie Rangel?

JamesA1102 said:
As usual Sara (who loves America so much that she lives in a foreign country where she benefits from government healthcare)

And?

That has zero to do with whether what she says is relevant or not, James, who benefits from govt. unemployment insurance, free job training, free health care if he cannot afford it, etc.

JamesA1102 said:
So are you claiming that every person who owes back taxes goes to jail except for Charlie Rangel?

Where did he say that?

making it up again, James?

LOL

sarainitaly said:
Oh that’s right, at the last minute they changed it from a censure to a *rebuke*.

So you admit that you got it wrong?

sarainitaly said:
Like I said, Joe Wilson got the same treatment, and all he did was call a liar a liar.

Joe Wilson did not get the same treatment as censure and repuke are are two very different things. And Sara (who loves America so much she lives in a foreign country where she beneffits from government run healthcare) is the last person to call someone a liar.

SmartAlec said:
Prove yours first.

Nothing to prove. Sara freely admits she lives in Italy that’s why her screenname is sarainitaly.

Now please show where I bitched and moaned about America and made statements that indicate I hate it.

SmartAlec said:
FREE WESLEY!!!

I agree! FREE WESLEY!!!!

Big_F-ing_Deal said:
Well, the Mafia has Omerta, the police have the Blue Line, and Congress has the “let’s look out for each other because we are all douchebags feeding at the trough of the American citizens” code.

When you ALL have skeletons in the closet no one wants to really open the closet too wide.

Pretty despicable.

Politics baby. Corruption is the rule, not the exception.

notsofast said:
Where did he say that? making it up again, James? LOL

No he said:

timzank said:
It is a crime to NOT pay your taxes. It is a fineable and a jailable offense. The IRS can choose to prosecute (see Wesley Snipes) or not (see Charlie Rangel).

I’m simply asking him to be more specific and clarify the point he is making.

LIAR AND THIEF……….NO MORE EXCUSES CHARLEY……….STOP LYING!!!

The real Royal Gnome said:
JamesA1102 ( who loves the Planet of the Apes so much that it has become a creepy obsession ruling his adult life) , should really just keep to his dolls .

I’ll tell you once again. They are not dolls, they are action figures! LOL!

JamesA1102 said:
Exactly my point. Ethics violations and law violations are two different things. The original post that I responded to claimed that Rangel should go to jail. Thank you for making my point for me.

Ask Al Capone if it’s illegal to avoid paying taxes.

JamesA1102 said:
I agree! FREE WESLEY!!!!

Well then I change my stance
JAIL WESLEY!!!

JamesA1102 said:
Sara freely admits she lives in Italy that’s why her screenname is sarainitaly

I can’t believe I’m arguing with an idiot…but
I know she lives in Italy. But you say repeatedly (and annoyingly) that she loves America SO MUCH that she lives in a foreign country.

Prove that SO MUCH part since you’re all about proving stuff JamesA1102 (who hates America SO MUCH but lives here and benefits from everything FREE she has to offer while moaning and bitching)

sarainitaly said:
Ask Al Capone if it’s illegal to avoid paying taxes.

Now you’re comparing Rangel to Al Capone. That’s a reach even for you Sara (who loves America so much she lives in a foreign country where she beneffits from government run healthcare).

BTW Isn’t it about 2:30AM in Italy right now.

JamesA1102 said:
So are you claiming that every person who owes back taxes goes to jail except for Charlie Rangel?

If the IRS CHOOSES to have you prosecuted. Are ya fucking retarded? They can prosecute you, they can jail you, and they can seize all your assets without any impunity or hearing. They chose (so far) NOT to prosecute Charlie Rangel (surprise surprise), but they certainly could, and they prosecute thousands of people each year for EXACTLY what he did. I don’t know how I can be any clearer, if you don’t understand, just don’t pay your taxes for a few years, you’ll find out.

JamesA1102 said:
Now you’re comparing Rangel to Al Capone. That’s a reach even for you Sara (who loves America so much she lives in a foreign country where she beneffits from government run healthcare). BTW Isn’t it about 2:30AM in Italy right now.

That’s actually a very apt description, as to the tax ramifications. She wasn’t claiming any other similarities between Rangel & Capone for Christs sakes.

Did you attend a school of any sort? May I suggest you take a history class and a civics class?

timzank said:
If memory serves, Ensign was hosing one of his assistants/staffers (like an intern). I don’t think that’s a “jailable” offense. Maybe we should ask Bill Clinton.

No he had an affair with a married staffer and paid them off for silence. But the story cane out anyway.

JamesA1102 said:
I’ll tell you once again. They are not dolls, they are action figures! LOL!

Just remember to tell the Doctor that when you’re in the emergency room having one removed.

JamesA1102 (who hates America but lives here and benefits from everything she has to offer while moaning and bitching) should be the last person to accuse someone else of “reaching”.

sarainitaly said:
didn’t they censure Joe Wilson, just for saying *you lie*? And this bozo gets the same thing for all that he’s done?

JamesA1102 said:
sarainitaly said:
Oh that’s right, at the last minute they changed it from a censure to a *rebuke*.

So you admit that you got it wrong? – NO, I ADMIT THAT I ANSWERED MY OWN QUESTION. THEY DID WANT TO CENSURE HIM, AND VOTED, BUT CHANGED IT TO REBUKE.

sarainitaly said:
Like I said, Joe Wilson got the same treatment, and all he did was call a liar a liar.

Joe Wilson did not get the same treatment as censure and repuke are are two very different things.

Not really…

Censure is a formal and public condemnation of an individual’s transgressions. It is stronger than a simple rebuke, but not as strong as expulsion.

Because censure is not specifically mentioned as the accepted form of reprimand, many censure actions against members of Congress may be listed officially as rebuke, condemnation, or denouncement. The end result, however, is the same, and to all intents and purposes these are censure measures. At the same time, each censure case is different, and those delivering censure like to have enough leeway to tailor the level of severity. Still, the prospect of an open, public rebuke by one’s peers is painful even for the most thick-skinned politician.

Read more: Censure – Noteworthy Censure Cases, Presidential Censure – Congress, Washington, Individual, Time, Rebuke, and Public http://law.jrank.org/pages/5096/Censure.html#ixzz170czU2BI

rep·ri·mand (rpr-mnd)
tr.v. rep·ri·mand·ed, rep·ri·mand·ing, rep·ri·mands
To reprove severely, especially in a formal or official way. See Synonyms at admonish.
n.
A severe, formal, or official rebuke or censure.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/reprimand

cen·sure (snshr)
n.
1. An expression of strong disapproval or harsh criticism.
2. An official rebuke, as by a legislature of one of its members.
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/censure

Censure is a “formal rebuke” or “official displeasure.” It is done by someone, usually some kind of assembly, in authority. The s in the word is pronounced like as sh, just as in the word sure. The U.S. Congress has censured its members a number of times for unbecoming conduct. Usually there is no specific punishment, just an official notice. In the U.S. Congress, that may mean the end of a political career, but not always.
http://englishplus.com/news/news1298.htm

SmartAlec said:
Well then I change my stanceJAIL WESLEY!!!

Wow! That’s mature of you. If I change my stance will you change it again?

SmartAlec said:
I know she lives in Italy. But you say repeatedly (and annoyingly) that she loves America SO MUCH that she lives in a foreign country. Prove that SO MUCH part since you’re all about proving stuff

So are you claiming that Sara doesn’t love America? Or that she loves it less than others? I don’t agree with that at all. Sara loves America a lot. That’s why she spends most of her day watching US cable news channels on satellite TV and coming to this forum to comment.

SmartAlec said:
since you’re all about proving stuff JamesA1102 (who hates America SO MUCH but lives here and benefits from everything FREE she has to offer while moaning and bitching)

Again, please show where I made statements that indicate I hate America, otherwise you should just admit that you’re telling lies about me.

BlackWidow said:
No he had an affair with a married staffer and paid them off for silence. But the story cane out anyway.

Can you be prosecuted for infidelity?

Pelosi is the most vile person in the united states. She called Bohner a crybaby for tearing up at the honor of serving as speaker. yet this bitch meets with Rangel and shed tears because he had to be punished. I cannot wait until the gavel, the jet, the large office suite is taken away from this horrible botoxed lying sack of shit.

Why don’t you ask Heidi Fleiss if it’s illegal to avoid paying taxes?

timzank said:
If the IRS CHOOSES to have you prosecuted. Are ya fucking retarded? They can prosecute you, they can jail you, and they can seize all your assets without any impunity or hearing. They chose (so far) NOT to prosecute Charlie Rangel (surprise surprise), but they certainly could, and they prosecute thousands of people each year for EXACTLY what he did. I don’t know how I can be any clearer, if you don’t understand, just don’t pay your taxes for a few years, you’ll find out.

But just because the IRS chooses to prosecute doesn’t mean a law has been broken. In our legal system a person is innocent until proven guilty. And the IRS chooses to prosecute when they have a clear case that they can prove that someone has broken a law.

@sarainitaly – Don’t you think that JamesA and The Real Royal AssKing might be the same person considering how they both seem to respond to every comment you make?
Could be that he doesn’t know how to communicate with women and this is his way of “hitting” on you. Be afraid…very afraid. Good thing that you live in a foreign country where you benefit from blah blah blah.
Although I must say, from a married man to a married woman, your pic makes you appear to be pretty flippin’ hot!

BlackWidow said:
No he had an affair with a married staffer and paid them off for silence. But the story cane out anyway.

Yet Ensign hasn’t been censured. Neither was Tom Delay.

JamesA1102 who (hates America SO MUCH he thinks it’s not illegal to pays taxes) is the last person to accuse anyone of lying. And he spends all of his time running a fan site for Planet of the Apes.

sarainitaly said:
Not really… Censure is a formal and public condemnation of an individual’s transgressions. It is stronger than a simple rebuke, but not as strong as expulsion.

Why don’t you just admit that you got it wrong when you claimed Joe Wilson was censured instead of dancing around trying to make excuses for the error.

sarainitaly said:
JamesA1102 who (hates America SO MUCH he thinks it’s not illegal to pays taxes) is the last person to accuse anyone of lying. And he spends all of his time running a fan site for Planet of the Apes.

LMFAO !

JamesA1102 said:
But just because the IRS chooses to prosecute doesn’t mean a law has been broken. In our legal system a person is innocent until proven guilty. And the IRS chooses to prosecute when they have a clear case that they can prove that someone has broken a law.

Oh my God, I give up. You are fucking retarded.

is somebody really defending rangel on here lol

timzank said:
Can you be prosecuted for infidelity?

Ask Bill Clinton.

SmartAlec said:
@sarainitaly – Don’t you think that JamesA and The Real Royal AssKing might be the same person considering how they both seem to respond to every comment you make?
Could be that he doesn’t know how to communicate with women and this is his way of “hitting” on you. Be afraid…very afraid. Good thing that you live in a foreign country where you benefit from blah blah blah.
Although I must say, from a married man to a married woman, your pic makes you appear to be pretty flippin’ hot!

i totally think he is one in the same. some obsessive nonsense. he has like 30 aliases on other sites. I wasn’t that worried until he started saying he was coming to Italy and was hoping to run into me. cue Twilight music.

And thanks! haha

timzank said:
Oh my God, I give up. You are fucking retarded.

Thanks! When you guys start the namecalling, I know I’ve won the argument.

JamesA1102 said:
Yet Ensign hasn’t been censured. Neither was Tom Delay.

Because their colleagues did not choose to censure them. Seriously, you need an I.Q. test and for God’s sake don’t operate any heavy machinery.

sarainitaly said:
Why don’t you ask Heidi Fleiss if it’s illegal to avoid paying taxes?

So now you’re comparing Rangel to Heidi Fleiss. Unbelievable!

JamesA1102 said:
Thanks! When you guys start the namecalling, I know I’ve won the argument.

Fine, whatever, just go the fuck away.

JamesA1102 said:
Why don’t you just admit that you got it wrong when you claimed Joe Wilson was censured instead of dancing around trying to make excuses for the error.

Why don’t you admit that i never claimed he was censured. and why don’t you admit that they are basically the same thing.

tell me why they are “two very different things”.

See ya Sara, I can’t take anymore of this guy. At least with TRRK there are some “wits” to battle with.

Did Sarah Palin bang Marcus Lamb? http://abcn.ws/gEjojk

JamesA1102 said:
I know I’ve won the argument.

Check the thumbs before you claim victory JamesA1102 (hates America SO MUCH he thinks it’s not illegal to pay taxes).

If everybody cheated on their taxes, where would libs get all the money to give away?

sarainitaly said:
JamesA1102 who (hates America SO MUCH he thinks it’s not illegal to pays taxes) .

You’re right I don’t think it is illegal to pay taxes. I never said that is was. But please show where I said anything to indicate I hate America.

sarainitaly said:
And he spends all of his time running a fan site for Planet of the Apes.

So having other interests and hobbies disqualify people from having political opinions? How elitist of you. What interests and hobbies do you deem worthy Lady Sara?

The real Royal Gnome said:
Just remember to tell the Doctor that when you’re in the emergency room having one removed.

Wouldn’t be ironic if the Doctor’s name was Zeus?

Why don’t you ask Jim Thorpe if it’s illegal to avoid paying taxes? Or Wesley Snipes. Or Jack Wharton Thomas. Or Giancarlo Pertile. Or Michael V. Collins, an East St. Louis Democratic precinct committeeman and former member of the city council. Or the Bittermans.Or anyone of these chiropractors: http://www.chirobase.org/08Legal/irs.html...

Yea, I think it’ safe to say that ol’ Rangel broke the law.

sarainitaly said:
Why don’t you ask Jim Thorpe if it’s illegal to avoid paying taxes? Or Wesley Snipes. Or Jack Wharton Thomas. Or Giancarlo Pertile. Or Michael V. Collins, an East St. Louis Democratic precinct committeeman and former member of the city council. Or the Bittermans.Or anyone of these chiropractors: http://www.chirobase.org/08Legal/irs.html... Yea, I think it’ safe to say that ol’ Rangel broke the law.

Thanx for doing the legwork!

timzank said:
Fine, whatever, just go the fuck away.

Are you trying to stifle my freedom of speech?

JamesA1102 said:
What interests and hobbies do you deem worthy Lady Sara?

Yep, he’s got it bad for you! Be sure to check the peephole if the doorbell rings.

rangel is a crook, whats the problem

JamesA1102 said:
Are you trying to stifle my freedom of speech?

JamesA1102 (who hates America so much but lives here and benefits from everything she has to offer while moaning and bitching) should be the last person to talk about stifling freedom of speech.

Ok Ok. I’m done.

JamesA1102 said:
Wouldn’t be ironic if the Doctor’s name was Zeus?

Sorry , Planet of the Apes jokes are lost on me . Save that one for the nurses , they’ll love it.

sarainitaly said:
Why don’t you admit that i never claimed he was censured. and why don’t you admit that they are basically the same thing. tell me why they are “two very different things”.

But you did say they censured Joe Wilson:

sarainitaly said:
that was ridiculous. didn’t they censure Joe Wilson, just for saying *you lie*? And this bozo gets the same thing for all that he’s done? throw da bums out!

A “reprimand” was once considered synonymous with censure, but in 1976 the House defined a reprimand as a less severe punishment. Members who are reprimanded are not required to stand in the well of the house and have the resolution read to them.

and james rangel is still a crook

timzank said:
See ya Sara, I can’t take anymore of this guy. At least with TRRK there are some “wits” to battle with.

Don’t let the door….

JamesA1102 who (hates America SO MUCH he thinks it’s not illegal to pays taxes) is the last person to accuse anyone of lying, and who spends all of his time running a fan site for Planet of the Apes should be the last person to mock anyone else.

tell me why they are “two very different things”.

They are both formal roll call votes, with public reprimands on the house floor, that are permanently entered into the Congressional Record. Now, please explain to me how they are “two very different things” as you said.

sarainitaly said:
Why don’t you ask Jim Thorpe if it’s illegal to avoid paying taxes? Or Wesley Snipes. Or Jack Wharton Thomas. Or Giancarlo Pertile. Or Michael V. Collins, an East St. Louis Democratic precinct committeeman and former member of the city council. Or the Bittermans.Or anyone of these chiropractors: http://www.chirobase.org/08Legal/irs.html... Yea, I think it’ safe to say that ol’ Rangel broke the law.

OK please specify what law.

SmartAlec said:
JamesA1102 (who hates America so much but lives here and benefits from everything she has to offer while moaning and bitching) should be the last person to talk about stifling freedom of speech.

Again where have I tried to stifle anyone’s freedom of speech. Provide links or admit that you’re just making stuff up about me because you can’t refute anything I’ve said.

not paying taxes on assets for 16 years

SmartAlec said:
Ok Ok. I’m done.

Buh-bye!

SmartAlec said:
Check the thumbs before you claim victory JamesA1102

Most of Christ’s apostles were given thumbs down. Are you saying they were wrong because the mob gave them thumbs down?

JamesA1102 said:
Ask Bill Clinton.

Fact: This is the example of stuck in stupid loop! Shit a Urbanite!

The real Royal Gnome said:
Sorry , Planet of the Apes jokes are lost on me . Save that one for the nurses , they’ll love it.

So are you admitting that you comment on subjects that you know nothing about?

JamesA1102 said:
So are you admitting that you comment on subjects that you know nothing about?

I know that dolls are dolls , and that people at your age, that persist in playing with them are…..troubled .
Explain the distinction ” action figure ” to the medical staff , that should quell the laughter.

JamesA1102 said:
But you did say they censured Joe Wilson:

sarainitaly said:
that was ridiculous. didn’t they censure Joe Wilson, just for saying *you lie*? And this bozo gets the same thing for all that he’s done? throw da bums out!

did i? i believe i asked, and then came back and answered/corrected myself.

JamesA1102 said:
A “reprimand” was once considered synonymous with censure, but in 1976 the House defined a reprimand as a less severe punishment. Members who are reprimanded are not required to stand in the well of the house and have the resolution read to them.

So, like I said, what did Charlie get that was any different than what Wilson went through?
Joe got to sit?

timzank said:
See ya Sara, I can’t take anymore of this guy. At least with TRRK there are some “wits” to battle with.

Well, I fully understand your frustration, but can’t agree that RRk has any wits with which to battle. ahah

sarainitaly said:
JamesA1102 who (hates America SO MUCH he thinks it’s not illegal to pays taxes)

Not illegal to pay taxes means it is legal to pay taxes. I have no problem with that. But please show examples where I made any statements that indicate that I hate America. You love cut & pasting links so please provide some.

sarainitaly said:
is the last person to accuse anyone of lying,

Please show where I have lied. Again provide links.

sarainitaly said:
and who spends all of his time running a fan site for Planet of the Apes should be the last person to mock anyone else.

I’ll ask again. Why is having outside interests and hobbies not worthy in your eyes? Which interest and hobbies do you deem worthy.

sarainitaly said:
tell me why they are “two very different things”. They are both formal roll call votes, with public reprimands on the house floor, that are permanently entered into the Congressional Record. Now, please explain to me how they are “two very different things” as you said.

Once again:

JamesA1102 said:A “reprimand” was once considered synonymous with censure, but in 1976 the House defined a reprimand as a less severe punishment. Members who are reprimanded are not required to stand in the well of the house and have the resolution read to them.

JamesA1102 said:
Most of Christ’s apostles were given thumbs down

The gesture of giving a thumb up or down did not exist that long ago. Talk about making stuff up.
JamesA1102 (who hates America so much but lives here and benefits from everything she has to offer while moaning and bitching) should be the last one to talk about making stuff up.

Ok, now I’m done.

The real Royal Gnome said:
I know that dolls are dolls , and that people at your age, that persist in playing with them are…..troubled.

And what age am I? And what proof do you have that I play with dolls or ‘action figures’?

JamesA1102 said:
OK please specify what law.

Ask Heidi Fleiss next time you see her.

JamesA1102 said:
Not illegal to pay taxes means it is legal to pay taxes.

sorry, i haven’t fully mastered the idiotic-ness of your annoying comments.

JamesA1102 (who hates America SO MUCH he thinks it’s legal to not pays taxes) is the last person to accuse anyone of anything. And a guy who spends all of his time running a fan site for Planet of the Apes is the last person who should be mocking anyone, ever. And he can’t explain how censure and rebuke are “two very different things”.

sarainitaly said:
did i? i believe i asked, and then came back and answered/corrected myself.

Really? Where? Sorry if I missed it but please show me where?

sarainitaly said:
So, like I said, what did Charlie get that was any different than what Wilson went through?Joe got to sit?

Congress itself defines them as different. Censure is considered more the more severe punishment. If you have a problem with that, take it up with John Boehner.

JamesA1102 said:
Why is having outside interests and hobbies not worthy in your eyes? Which interest and hobbies do you deem worthy.

having outside hobbies and interests are very worthy.

Planet of the Apes Fan sites and dolls and petitions and obsessions not worthy. ever.
Do you have this poster hanging over your bed?
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/_n9vv_SzKaWk/SA0pYsQQuLI/AAAAAAAAAUs/GcBeFHa4eY4/s400/039_8892~Planet-of-the-Apes-Posters.jpg

sarainitaly said:
Do you have this poster hanging over your bed?

He may . Check my avatar.

timzank said:
Because their colleagues did not choose to censure them. Seriously, you need an I.Q. test and for God’s sake don’t operate any heavy machinery.

Which was my original point. Ensign and Delay both made ethical violations but didn’t get censured. So the OP that I had responded to initially was incorrect in saying that Republicans were given harsher penalties than Dems. Thanks for proving my point.

sarainitaly said:
didn’t they censure Joe Wilson, just for saying *you lie*? And this bozo gets the same thing for all that he’s done?

throw da bums out!

sarainitaly said:
Oh that’s right, at the last minute they changed it from a censure to a *rebuke*. Basically, he got the same thing – a stupid scolding on the house floor.

The Joe Wilson Censure Vote: A Look at Who Crossed Party Lines
By Holly Bailey and Daniel Stone
As expected, the House voted this evening to censure Rep. Joe (You Lie!) Wilson (R-S.C.) for interrupting President Obama’s speech to Congress last week. The vote was 240-179, breaking down largely along party lines.
http://www.newsweek.com/blogs/the-gaggle/2009/09/15/the-joe-wilson-censure-vote-a-look-at-who-crossed-party-lines.html

The House voted, 240-179 and largely along party lines, to publicly rebuke Representative Joe Wilson, Republican of South Carolina, for his brief outburst of “You Lie!” against President Obama during the address before a joint session of Congress. The Democratic leadership pushed for the formal resolution expressing disapproval of his conduct, while Republicans — within and outside the House –denounced the vote as a partisan action.
http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/09/15/blogging-the-house-action-on-wilson/?hp

This is hilarious:

To not respond to a violation of the rules would be wrong, said Mr. Clyburn, adding:
“Silence is consent. We cannot be silent in this matter, because we do not consent to the conduct of Mr. Wilson.
Don’t pay your taxes, and break 11 ethics violations, no problem! But don’t you DARE call a liar a liar.

Like I said, Joe Wilson got the same treatment, and all he did was call a liar a liar.

JamesA1102 said:
Congress itself defines them as different. Censure is considered more the more severe punishment. If you have a problem with that, take it up with John Boehner.

You said they were “two very different things”. They both had formal roll call votes. They both had people reprimanding them on the house floor. They were both formally reprimanded. And they will both be recorded in the formal congressional record. What is Charlie getting that is any more harsh than what Joe got? They consider it a harsher punishment, but by what standard? Where is the harsher punishment?

Do you really think considering what Joe did, and what Charlie did, and the similarity in their punishments, it was fair?

The real Royal Gnome said:
He may . Check my avatar.

is that him? LOL! You are so funny!

sarainitaly said:
is that him? LOL! You are so funny!

YUPPERS !

SmartAlec said:
The gesture of giving a thumb up or down did not exist that long ago. Talk about making stuff up.

Really it didn’t: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pollice_verso

SmartAlec said:
JamesA1102 (who hates America so much but lives here and benefits from everything she has to offer while moaning and bitching) should be the last one to talk about making stuff up. Ok, now I’m done.

Please provide links that show I hate America or admit that you’re lying.

The real Royal Gnome said:
YUPPERS

that is hysterical i posted that poster link right when you did that! LOL!

sarainitaly said:
Planet of the Apes Fan sites and dolls and petitions and obsessions not worthy. ever.

Why not? And what hobbies and interests are worthy in your opinion Lady Sara?

JamesA1102 (who hates America SO MUCH he thinks it’s legal to not pays taxes) is the last person to accuse anyone of anything. And a guy who spends all of his time running a fan site for Planet of the Apes is the last person who should be mocking anyone, ever. And he can’t explain how censure and rebuke are “two very different things”. He is the LAST person to accuse someone of lying.

OK, outta here. After 4am. eeeeeeeek

sarainitaly said:
Ask Heidi Fleiss next time you see her.

So now you are accusing me of commiting a crime? That’s really low.

sarainitaly said:
You said they were “two very different things”. They both had formal roll call votes. They both had people reprimanding them on the house floor. They were both formally reprimanded. And they will both be recorded in the formal congressional record. What is Charlie getting that is any more harsh than what Joe got? They consider it a harsher punishment, but by what standard? Where is the harsher punishment? Do you really think considering what Joe did, and what Charlie did, and the similarity in their punishments, it was fair?

I didn’t define it as a harsher penalty, Congress itself has. If you don’t like it, your beef is with John Boehner.

sarainitaly said:
that is hysterical i posted that poster link right when you did that! LOL!

Gotta love teh Google , and serendipity !

sarainitaly said:
JamesA1102 (who hates America SO MUCH he thinks it’s legal to not pays taxes) is the last person to accuse anyone of anything.

That’s pretty broad. What have I accused anyone of? And again please show links to where I said anything to directly or indirectly indicate that I hate America?

sarainitaly said:
And a guy who spends all of his time running a fan site for Planet of the Apes is the last person who should be mocking anyone, ever.

You have yet to explain why it is so unworthy in your elitest opinion. And while you’re at it explain how doing a google search on someone’s screenname to try to find out their online activities isn’t a creepy obsession.

sarainitaly said:
And he can’t explain how censure and rebuke are “two very different things”. He is the LAST person to accuse someone of lying.

I’m explained it several times. You just refuse to accept the answer because it doesn’t fit into your talking points. And please point out where I lied.

You’ve lied in that you’ve repeatedly accused me of hating america and have yet to provide any links to prove it.

The real Royal Gnome said:
Gotta love teh Google , and serendipity !

You didn’t answer my last question but try to answer this one. Explain how doing a google search on someone’s screenname to try to find out their online activities isn’t a creepy obsession.

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JamesA1102 said:
Are you trying to stifle my freedom of speech?

You can “talk”, but please add something to the discussion. You keep defending Rangel but he’s a just a crooked politician. He’s a low quality person and the people in his district could do better by electing someone better.

You lefty’s go berserk when some CEO has ethical problems, but you’ll seemingly defend government corruption all day long.

You guys have ZERO credibility.

Alz said:
You can “talk”, but please add something to the discussion. You keep defending Rangel but he’s a just a crooked politician. He’s a low quality person and the people in his district could do better by electing someone better. You lefty’s go berserk when some CEO has ethical problems, but you’ll seemingly defend government corruption all day long. You guys have ZERO credibility.

Please point out what I said to defend Rangel’s actions.

The real Royal Gnome said:
Gotta love teh Google , and serendipity !

That’s Gold.

JamesA1102 said:
Please point out what I said to defend Rangel’s actions.

I didn’t say “actions”, i said “Rangel”. You’re whole line of (I guess) thinking has been opposed to the obvious conclusion that Rangel is corrupt and that he should receive more punishment.

You keep challenging the obvious.

You are entitled to your opinion, but you have zero cred.

All the reactionaries busting on a Planet of the Apes fan site should pray they never get caught with their blow-up Reagan dolls… or the bondage outfits they were under their track suits. No wonder it always smells like leather around here. HAHAHAHAHAHA

JamesA1102, a valiant effort but these gangsters will never be satisfied with anything less than the total destruction of all liberals and liberalism in general. That’s the only thing they care about. They think they will suddenly become members of the wealthy (mostly white) elite when the last liberal is finally run out of America (and that’s when Sara makes her triumphant return, of course). There is only one political issue they will ever care about, destroying liberals. Truth, facts, consequences – all meaningless to the reactionary. There is nothing that will ever persuade them to be more thoughtful, nothing that will satiate their hunger for demonizing liberalism, nothing, ever, that will enter into their minds that will ever suggest that they should treat liberals with anything but total disdain and revulsion.

The other day, Gordon suggested I should ask someone to do him a favor and kill me. Really. He actually meant it. This is who these people are. Always and forever. Twas ever thus and twill ever be. Until we, as a nation, come to terms with the fact that roughly 25% of our population is comprised of psychopaths who never developed any semblance of empathy, this is how our political discourse will continue to be… and worse. This is what we’re dealing with – grown-up toddlers stuck in the terrible twos. It ain’t gonna stop, ain’t gonna let up, ain’t ever gonna be anything but what it is – irrational but pure, all-encompassing fear and loathing. Nothing more. Nothing less. Ever.

JamesA1102 said:
That’s pretty broad. What have I accused anyone of? And again please show links to where I said anything to directly or indirectly indicate that I hate America? And while you’re at it explain how doing a google search on someone’s screenname to try to find out their online activities isn’t a creepy obsession. You just refuse to accept the answer because it doesn’t fit into your talking points. And please point out where I lied.

You’ve lied in that you’ve repeatedly accused me of hating america and have yet to provide any links to prove it.

You accuse me of lying and more, daily. You are a liar. You have yet to provide any links to prove any of your accusations against me. You are a liar, and it is proven in your comments below. You are also creepy and obsessed.

Oh cut the crap Sara! I’ve read your blogs and you’ve been an Obama hater from day one. …You are the one who is getting very old and tiresome with your lies and hypocrisy. So stop it and go see a therapist about your obsessive hatred of the President.

It seems that Sara (who loves America so much that she lives in a foreign country where she benefits from government healthcare) leads such a priviledged life that she has all say to watch American TV on Satellite and then search for links from conservative websites.

Sara (who loves America so much that she lives in a foreign country where she benefits from government healthcare) is the last person to accuse anyone of no being able to walk and chew gum at the same time.

Sara (who loves America so much that she lives in a foreign country where she benefits from government healthcare) is the last person to accuse anyone of living in denial.

Sara (who loves America so much that she lives in a foreign country where she benefits from government run healthcare) takes the low road as usual.

Sara (who loves America so much that she lives in a foreign country where she benefits from government healthcare) is the last person to be calling anyone else a loon and a joke.

Sara (who loves America so much that she lives in another country where she benefits from government healthcare) is the last person to lecture anyone on lying.

Sara (who loves America so much that she lives in a foreign country where she benefits from government healthcare and spends all day watching American cable news on satellite TV) is the last person to accuse anyone of hypocrisy.

Sara (who loves America so much that she lives in a foreign country where she benefits from government healthcare and spends all day watching American cable news on satellite TV) is the last person to accuse anyone of being an idiot!

Sara (who loves America so much that she lives in a foreign country where she benefits from government healthcare and spends all day watching American cable news on satellite TV) is the last person to accuse anyone of being loony!

Sara (who loves America so much that she lives in another country where she benefits from government healthcare) is the last person to be calling anyone a racist.

So Sara (who loves America so much that she lives in a foreign country where she benefits from government healthcare) liberals discussing politics is like the planet of apes to you?? And you don’t think that you’re a racist? As far of the rest of your crazy rant, I think that proves what a paranoid person you are and how you don’t have a life more than anything that I could say. (Trying to deny his POTA connection)

Sara (who loves America so much that she lives in a foreign country where she benefits from government healthcare) you just sound crazier and more paranoid with each passing post. LMAO!!!!

As usual Sara (who benefits from free healthcare in Italy) makes a statement that has no basis in fact.
So Sara (who benefits from government healthcare) what you said is simply not true.

Sara (who loves America so much she lives in a foreign country where she benefits from government healthcare) do you have any proof of this? A link to the article on Media Matters perhaps or are you just making it up as usual?

You’re as crazy and racist as Sara(who loves America so much that she lives in a foreign country where she benefits from government healthcare). (Denying his POTA connection again)

sarainitaly said:
yea – that’s what I thought. you can’t back up your smear.liar.JamesA1102 (who loves Planet of the Apes so much that it has become a creepy obsession ruling his life) is a liar.
Sara(who loves America so much that she lives in a foreign country where she benefits from government healthcare) is becoming unhinged. LMAO!!!!!

Stop lying Sara (who benefits from government sponsored healtcare). You’ve never voted for a Democrat.

sarainitaly said:
Oh really? So, when I voted for Bill Clinton, Al Gore, John Kerry and Hillary Clinton they were Republicans? When I campaigned for two years for Hillary, she was running as a Republican?
JamesA1102:
I don’t believe you voted for any of them. Can you prove that you did? And you campaigned for Hillary for 2 years? I didn’t realize there was a primary in Italy.

sarainitaly said:
The Dems are a bunch of lying hypocrites.
JamesA1102:
No Sara (who benefits from government run healthcare) you are describing yourself.

sarainitaly said:
Why would I lie (why the HELL would I lie about voting for John Kerry, for god’s sake)?
JamesA1102:
Because you somehow think it gives you more credibility to the verbal bombs that you throw. But you’re not fooling anyone. Everyone sees you for the liar and hypocrite that you are.

sarainitaly said:
I mean Hillary would in 2008. (already looking ahead…)
JamesA1102:
See like most liars you can’t even keep the simplest details of your lies straight.

Sara (who loves America so much she lives in a foreign country where she benefits from government healthcare) loves to mislead.

Sara (who loves America so much she lives in a foreign country where she benefits from government healthcare) also loves false equivalencies…

Right now the priority is bashing a President for whom you have an irrational hatred rather than standing up for any principle that you claim to believe.

Sara (who loves America so much that she lives in a foreign country where she benefits from government run healthcare) dishonestly groups the President with Louis Farrakhan and Bill Ayers.

Sara (who loves America so much that she lives in a foreign country where she benefits from government run healthcare) dishonestly resorts to guilt by association tactics when the facts don’t support her hate filled rants.

sarainitaly said:
James (who can’t support his argument) ignores facts, and resorts to personal attacks, hysteria and lies.
JamesA1102:
Lame Sara (who loves America so much that she lives in a foreign country where she benefits from government run healthcare). Lame and untrue.

Sara (who loves America so much she lives in a foreign country where she benefits from government healthcare) is caught lying again.

Sara (who loves America so much she lives in a foreign country where she benefits from government healthcare) is caught lying yet again and makes a weak comeback.

sarainitaly said:
Olby is truly pathetic.
JamesA1102:
Sara (who loves America so much she lives in a foreign country where she spends all day watching Cable News on satellite TV) is the last person to call anyone pathetic.

Sara (who loves America so much that she lives in a foreign country where she benefits from government healthcare) is the last person to call someone thin skinned.

Sara (who loves America so much that she lives in a foreign country where she benefits from government healthcare) is the last person to criticize anyone else for making remarks that are classless and unnecessary.

Sara (who loves America so much that she lives in a foreign country where she benefits from government healthcare) apparently has all day to watch American cable news networks on satellite tv. Or maybe she’s just lying and is just bashing Olbermann and Ed Shultz as part of her obsessive, pathological hatred of all liberals.

Sara (who loves America so much she lives in a foreign country where she benefits from government healthcare) is the last person to call anyone a freakin’ moron. (in reference to RRk)

Sara (who loves America so much she lives in a foreign country where she benefits from government healthcare) is the last person to call anyone’s schtick old. (I was referring to James)

I could go on, but I think my point was made…
You take jokes I make, and twist them. You call me a liar when I am not lying. You are the one with the problem, and the freaky hobby.

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Paul Westlake said: They think they will suddenly become members of the wealthy (mostly white) elite when the last liberal is finally run out of America
and that’s when Sara makes her triumphant return, of course

I don’t live in Italy because Liberals live in America. I live in Italy because my husband is Italian.
90% of my friends are liberal. And how typical of you, yet another race card.

JamesA1102 said:
sarainitaly said:
And he can’t explain how censure and rebuke are “two very different things”. He is the LAST person to accuse someone of lying.
I’m explained it several times. You just refuse to accept the answer because it doesn’t fit into your talking points.

NO, you didn’t explain how they were two very different things. You SAID they were two very different things, but haven’t proved how they differ. I said they both had formal roll call votes. They both had people reprimanding them on the house floor. They were both formally reprimanded. And they will both be recorded in the formal congressional record.

What is Charlie getting that is any more harsh than what Joe got? They consider it a harsher punishment, but by what standard? Where is the harsher punishment? Do you really think considering what Joe did, and what Charlie did, and the similarity in their punishments, it was fair?

You make ridiculous arguments when provided with facts – you don’t know what laws Rangel broke, and seem to deny that tax evasion is illegal. I provide you with a list of people who went to jail for tax evasion, which is what Rangel did, and you make stupid arguments that I compared him to Capone or Fleiss.

You claim to have read both of my blogs, but still lie about me.

“You’ve lied in that you’ve repeatedly accused me of hating america and have yet to provide any links to prove it.” – Cry me a river.

Alz said:
I didn’t say “actions”, i said “Rangel”. You’re whole line of (I guess) thinking has been opposed to the obvious conclusion that Rangel is corrupt and that he should receive more punishment. You keep challenging the obvious. You are entitled to your opinion, but you have zero cred.

No my whole line is that he was censured and that people like Tom Delay and John Ensign haven’t.

sarainitaly said:
You accuse me of lying and more, daily. You are a liar. You have yet to provide any links to prove any of your accusations against me. You are a liar, and it is proven in your comments below. You are also creepy and obsessed. I could go on, but I think my point was made…You take jokes I make, and twist them. You call me a liar when I am not lying. You are the one with the problem, and the freaky hobby. http://tinyurl.com/34y3ewqhttp://tinyurl.com/39ng5qy

Sara (who loves America so much that she lives in another country where she benefits from government healthcare),

Please point out the lies. You admit that you love America, that you live in Italy, that you benefit from government run healthcare, that you watch US cable news on satellite TV. So where are the lies?

Yet you accuse me of hating America. That is a lie and you ARE a liar to say that.

sarainitaly said:
I don’t live in Italy because Liberals live in America.

Doesn’t that statement prove everything Paul said?

sarainitaly said:
You are the one with the problem, and the freaky hobby.

Please explain how doing a web search on a person’s screenname to try to find out their online activities so you can use it as a weapon against them when they disagree with you is not freaky or creepy or bordering on cyber-stalking?

Paul Westlake said:
All the reactionaries busting on a Planet of the Apes fan site should pray they never get caught with their blow-up Reagan dolls… or the bondage outfits they were under their track suits. No wonder it always smells like leather around here. HAHAHAHAHAHA

JamesA1102, a valiant effort but these gangsters will never be satisfied with anything less than the total destruction of all liberals and liberalism in general. That’s the only thing they care about. They think they will suddenly become members of the wealthy (mostly white) elite when the last liberal is finally run out of America (and that’s when Sara makes her triumphant return, of course). There is only one political issue they will ever care about, destroying liberals. Truth, facts, consequences – all meaningless to the reactionary. There is nothing that will ever persuade them to be more thoughtful, nothing that will satiate their hunger for demonizing liberalism, nothing, ever, that will enter into their minds that will ever suggest that they should treat liberals with anything but total disdain and revulsion.

The other day, Gordon suggested I should ask someone to do him a favor and kill me. Really. He actually meant it. This is who these people are. Always and forever. Twas ever thus and twill ever be. Until we, as a nation, come to terms with the fact that roughly 25% of our population is comprised of psychopaths who never developed any semblance of empathy, this is how our political discourse will continue to be… and worse. This is what we’re dealing with – grown-up toddlers stuck in the terrible twos. It ain’t gonna stop, ain’t gonna let up, ain’t ever gonna be anything but what it is – irrational but pure, all-encompassing fear and loathing. Nothing more. Nothing less. Ever.

Sucks to be you. All that hate and resentment welling up inside. I hope to God you’re not a letter carrier.

sarainitaly said:
NO, you didn’t explain how they were two very different things. You SAID they were two very different things, but haven’t proved how they differ. I said they both had formal roll call votes. They both had people reprimanding them on the house floor. They were both formally reprimanded. And they will both be recorded in the formal congressional record.

OK Once again:

JamesA1102 said: A “reprimand” was once considered synonymous with censure, but in 1976 the House defined a reprimand as a less severe punishment. Members who are reprimanded are not required to stand in the well of the house and have the resolution read to them.

That is you’re answer. It Congress defines them differently. You just don’t want to accept it.

sarainitaly said:
You make ridiculous arguments when provided with facts – you don’t know what laws Rangel broke,

I don’t know what laws Rangel broke and I suspect you don’t either. And as Notsofast has pointed out:

notsofast said:
Hey, dumbass, it’s was called “ethics” violations not law violations

And there is a difference between breaking ethics rules and actual laws. I’ve asked what specific laws Rangel broke and you couldn’t provide an answer.

sarainitaly said:
and seem to deny that tax evasion is illegal. I provide you with a list of people who went to jail for tax evasion, which is what Rangel did, and you make stupid arguments that I compared him to Capone or Fleiss.

I never said that tax evasion wasn’t illegal. But you did compare Capone and Fleiss to Rangel without noting that they evaded taxes for money earned by illegal activities. Are you claiming the Rangel didn’t pay taxes on money earned from illegal activities?

sarainitaly said:
You claim to have read both of my blogs, but still lie about me.

Please point out the specific lies. But you can’t because I haven’t.

sarainitaly said:
“You’ve lied in that you’ve repeatedly accused me of hating america and have yet to provide any links to prove it.” – Cry me a river.

Yes you keep accusing me of hating America but have yet to prove I ever made any statements that prove it.

JamesA1102 said:
No my whole line is that he was censured and that people like Tom Delay and John Ensign haven’t.

Rangel is the posterchild for corruption. Delay’s issue was more of a setup. It took many years to build a jury stacked with liberals to get Delay.

Ensign may get a censure, but it’s obvious that Rangel should go.

I don’t know where you live, but I’ve been in Chicago all my life and we’re loaded with Rangel-types – people who sort of live off of of government power and are substandard in terms of actually doing the job.

Finally, your linking of Rangel’s fate to how Delay and Ensign were/are treated is silly. Rangel stands on his own and he’s a disaster.

Alz said:
Rangel is the posterchild for corruption. Delay’s issue was more of a setup. It took many years to build a jury stacked with liberals to get Delay.

So Rangel is the posterchild for corruption despite never being convicted of any crime while Delay was set-up because he was convicted of crimes? OK and you think I have no credibility.

Alz said:
Finally, your linking of Rangel’s fate to how Delay and Ensign were/are treated is silly. Rangel stands on his own and he’s a disaster.

How is is silly? Just cause you think so? Delay and Ensign had ethical violations, as did Rangel yet only Rangel has been censured. I pointed this out because the post the I was initially replied to claimed that Republicans are treated more harshly when they break the rules and pointed out that was not the case.

Rangel is a wrangler. Elected by a constituency of brainless mutants. More specifically, african-don’t-wanna-be-americans, of the same cloth, that found OJ Simpson innocent of a crime he so obviously committed. Yes…Mr Westlake, there is a huge divide, as there should be. But no crayon can color the reality of politics in America, and ignorance among the electorate. On the one hand we have scoundrels with insatiable egos and on the other a populace as gullible as a rat staring down a piece of cheese inside the jaws of death.
When someone is put into office based on commercial savvy vs merit, there are issues. If I were a dog, I wouldn’t waste my urine on any of these political hydrants. Or the clowns in media who suck up their advertising dollars, and spew their own bullshit on an apathetic public.

I ran with the liberals for many moons, and quit because the majority of them never leave the moon. Utopian lunatics. At least, conservatives believe in the magic of the bullet. While most are scoundrels themselves, I can appreciate a hair trigger mindset. Probably why a home invader, will never come through my doors.
Even as a senior citizen, my scent tells all foriegn and domestic enemies, I’m a profiler and a lethal mix of attitude. If you come in peace, I’ll share my crumpets. If you come with malice, expect to be disemboweled.
I keep my liberal acquaintances close, but my conservative ones even closer. When the nuclear grinch comes knocking, I want to melt down with the warmongers…not the appeasers.

goldmind said:
Rangel is a wrangler. Elected by a constituency of brainless mutants. More specifically, african-don’t-wanna-be-americans, of the same cloth, that found OJ Simpson innocent of a crime he so obviously committed. Yes…Mr Westlake, there is a huge divide, as there should be. But no crayon can color the reality of politics in America, and ignorance among the electorate. On the one hand we have scoundrels with insatiable egos and on the other a populace as gullible as a rat staring down a piece of cheese inside the jaws of death.
When someone is put into office based on commercial savvy vs merit, there are issues. If I were a dog, I wouldn’t waste my urine on any of these political hydrants. Or the clowns in media who suck up their advertising dollars, and spew their own bullshit on an apathetic public.

I ran with the liberals for many moons, and quit because the majority of them never leave the moon. Utopian lunatics. At least, conservatives believe in the magic of the bullet. While most are scoundrels themselves, I can appreciate a hair trigger mindset. Probably why a home invader, will never come through my doors.
Even as a senior citizen, my scent tells all foriegn and domestic enemies, I’m a profiler and a lethal mix of attitude. If you come in peace, I’ll share my crumpets. If you come with malice, expect to be disemboweled.
I keep my liberal acquaintances close, but my conservative ones even closer. When the nuclear grinch comes knocking, I want to melt down with the warmongers…not the appeasers.

Ya know, I can go along with many of your thoughts here, but the ” Elected by a constituency of brainless mutants” line is wrong.

The liberals have spent many, many decades working to make sure blacks are dependent on them, but don’t blame the blacks – or anyone else who has been screwed by the Left.

The problem is liberals, not the victims of liberalism.

JamesA1102 said:
I pointed this out because the post the I was initially replied to claimed that Republicans are treated more harshly when they break the rules and pointed out that was not the case.

Jeeze, the Left has spent MANY years hunting Delay. Read up on the history of it (using multiple sources).

Alz said:
Jeeze, the Left has spent MANY years hunting Delay. Read up on the history of it (using multiple sources).

Maybe so but in the end they found something and he was convicted of commiting crimes. If he never committed any crimes, they would still be hunting.

JamesA1102 said:
That is you’re answer. It Congress defines them differently. You just don’t want to accept it.

You claimed they were two “very different things” They aren’t. They are basically the same, one just a less serious punishment by definition, although the punishments that Rangel and Wilson are the SAME. Define how Rangel, having committed many more offenses, including tax evasion, received a fair punishment in relation to that of Wilson.

JamesA1102 said:
Please point out the specific lies. But you can’t because I haven’t.

I provided a laundry list of your lies and your creepy obsessions. You accuse me of things daily, yet have never proven them.

Again, cry me a river you POTA loon and America hater.

sarainitaly said:
You claimed they were two “very different things” They aren’t. They are basically the same, one just a less serious punishment by definition, although the punishments that Rangel and Wilson are the SAME. Define how Rangel, having committed many more offenses, including tax evasion, received a fair punishment in relation to that of Wilson.

They are two different things because Congress itself has defined them as two different things with Censure being the far more serious punishment. You just refused to accept it. And what about Tom Delay, he was convicted of crimes yet he was never censured or rebuked. Isn’t that unfair to Wilson?

sarainitaly said:
I provided a laundry list of your lies and your creepy obsessions. You accuse me of things daily, yet have never proven them.

No you provided a list of my statements but never showed them as lies. And the only things I’ve ever accused you of is loving America (which you admit to), living in a foreign country (which you admit to), benefiting from government run healthcare (which you admit to), that you watch US cable news on satellite TV (which you admit to) and of hating President Obama (which you gleefully admit to).

As far as creepy obsessions, isn’t doing a web search of someone’s screenname to try to find out their online activities so you can use it as a weapon against them when they disagree with you the definition of a creepy obsession?

sarainitaly said:
Again, cry me a river you POTA loon and America hater.

And again you accuse me of hating america and do so without any proof. I’ve got news for you Sara (who loves America so much that she lives in a foreign country where she benefits from government healthcare) just because someone disagrees with you it doesn’t mean they hate America; it just means they don’t agree with you.

Sara (who loves America so much that she lives in a foreign country where she benefits from government healthcare)

You are full of shit. You think ANYONE is buying your BS that you are merely stating that I love America? Your intention is to say that I do not love America, therefor I live in Italy. You called me a liar and said I never voted for a Democrat. You have called me a liar about many, many things. You are a liar. You are a dork with a creepy POTA obsession. You have called me a liar when I discussed my experiences with Italian healthcare.

You have read all of my blogs, but you think I am obsessed and creepy because someone told me you ran a fan site for POTA and I checked it out? You are someone who comments on every single thing I say, and I am creepy and obsessed for trying to see who you were? *eyeroll*

Where have I ever gleefully admitted to hating Obama?

“No you provided a list of my statements but never showed them as lies.” – they are all lies.

“so you can use it as a weapon against them when they disagree with you the definition of a creepy obsession?” WHAT THE HELL DO YOU THINK YOU DO TO ME? Seriously dude WTF!?

“They are two different things because Congress itself has defined them as two different things ” – You claimed they were “two very different things”. No they aren’t.

You’ve accused me of being a liar, a hypocrite, a loon, a moron, a racist, an idiot, etc.

Therefore, I say you hate America.
And you are a liar, and you have a creepy obsession for Planet of the Apes.

JamesA1102 said:
sarainitaly said:
I don’t live in Italy because Liberals live in America.
Doesn’t that statement prove everything Paul said?

no, Paul said I live in italy because there are liberals in America, and once they are wiped out, I will return. I do not live in italy because I am running away from Liberals, fer f*cks sake. That is so incredibly stupid. And a lie. Two peas in a pod, you two.

sarainitaly said:
I don’t live in Italy because Liberals live in America. I live in Italy because my husband is Italian.
90% of my friends are liberal. And how typical of you, yet another race card.

What “race” are Italians?

sarainitaly said:
no, Paul said I live in italy because there are liberals in America, and once they are wiped out, I will return. I do not live in italy because I am running away from Liberals, fer f*cks sake. That is so incredibly stupid. And a lie. Two peas in a pod, you two.

Sara, if you don’t know that my language is intentionally designed to tweak by now… I don’t know what to do with you! ;-)

sarainitaly said:
You’ve accused me of being a liar, a hypocrite, a loon, a moron, a racist, an idiot, etc.

Therefore, I say you hate America.
And you are a liar, and you have a creepy obsession for Planet of the Apes.

1) If you don’t like being accused of things, maybe you should keep your own accusations down a bit.
2) Conservatives accuse liberals of hating America just because we disagree with conservative policy, which is un-American and removes your claim to the high ground on unfounded accusations.
3) Lots of people have hobbies that others don’t understand. To be so callous as to use a person’s joy as a weapon against them is typical of mean-spirited conservatives and reveals your irrational, all-encompassing hatred for all things liberal – you will even debase our humanity, use or smallest joys as weapons against us, deny that we have a right to be a silly as the next person when it comes to our entertainment.

You disgust me.

Paul Westlake said:
Sara, if you don’t know that my language is intentionally designed to tweak by now… I don’t know what to do with you! ;-)

Paul Westlake said:
You disgust me.

More tweaking , right ?

sarainitaly said:
Sara (who loves America so much that she lives in a foreign country where she benefits from government healthcare) You are full of shit. You think ANYONE is buying your BS that you are merely stating that I love America? Your intention is to say that I do not love America, therefor I live in Italy.

Now you’re telling me what my intentions are. That’s rich. I’ve never said you don’t love America. Not once. Although it is interesting how defensive you become when it’s mentioned.

sarainitaly said:
You called me a liar and said I never voted for a Democrat. You have called me a liar about many, many things.

But you’ve said that you would never vote for a Dem. I’m just repeating what you put out there. So what are the many, many things I’ve lied about.

sarainitaly said:
You are a dork with a creepy POTA obsession.

Dork? Now you’re resorting to namecalling and who are you to define what is a creepy obsession. Why isn’t doing a web search of someone’s screenname to try to find out their online activities and interests to use as a weapon against them because they disagree with you a creepy obsession.

sarainitaly said:
You have called me a liar when I discussed my experiences with Italian healthcare.

I never did that.

sarainitaly said:
You have read all of my blogs, but you think I am obsessed and creepy because someone told me you ran a fan site for POTA and I checked it out? You are someone who comments on every single thing I say, and I am creepy and obsessed for trying to see who you were? *eyeroll*

I only read your blogs because you provided links to them. And please don’t deny that you did so. That is different from someone doing web search to hunt down anything to be used as a weapon against them just because they happen to disagree with you. That is creepy whether you care to admit to it or not.

sarainitaly said:
Where have I ever gleefully admitted to hating Obama?

Practically in any post you make relating to President Obama.

sarainitaly said:
“No you provided a list of my statements but never showed them as lies.” – they are all lies.

Just saying they are all lies is no proof. I’ve asked you repeatedly to point out the lies and you refuse to do so.

sarainitaly said:
“so you can use it as a weapon against them when they disagree with you the definition of a creepy obsession?” WHAT THE HELL DO YOU THINK YOU DO TO ME? Seriously dude WTF!?

I don’t know but I guess it was enough for you to do a web search on my screenname. Now that is a creepy obsession.

sarainitaly said:
“They are two different things because Congress itself has defined them as two different things ” – You claimed they were “two very different things”. No they aren’t.

Just saying no they aren’t over and over again doesn’t change the fact that they are different things. Nor does it change that you originally said Wilson was censured when he wasn’t. You got your facts wrong and rather than being an adult about it, you’re trying to change make excuses.

sarainitaly said:
You’ve accused me of being a liar, a hypocrite, a loon, a moron, a racist, an idiot, etc. Therefore, I say you hate America.

When you say I hate America just because I disagree with you, you are a liar. As far as the rest, I don’t need to call you anything, your posts do that for me.

sarainitaly said:
And you are a liar, and you have a creepy obsession for Planet of the Apes.

I’m still waiting for an explaination on how a person’s hobbies and interests disqualify them from having a political opinion. Or how hunting down a person’s screenname just because they disagree with you is not a creepy obsession.

The real Royal Gnome said:
More tweaking , right ?

Yeah, no. The comment she keyed on was a tweak. Using a person’s hobby as a weapon against them is disgusting… unless the hobby happens to be something like dog fighting. But Planet of the Apes? Really? That’s what she turns into a cudgel? I guarantee nobody can stand up to the scrutiny of their critics in all things – nobody! Give me five minutes in Sara’s house and a megaphone and I could reduce her to tears. Guaranteed.

Not cool, man. Not cool.

sarainitaly said:
no, Paul said I live in italy because there are liberals in America, and once they are wiped out, I will return. I do not live in italy because I am running away from Liberals, fer f*cks sake. That is so incredibly stupid. And a lie. Two peas in a pod, you two.

Excuse me. I misread what you wrote and have my apologies.

Paul Westlake said:
unless the hobby happens to be something like dog fighting.

Meh . One mans dog fighting, is another mans Planet of the Apes.

Paulie, liberals have and always will, self-destruct. I know this firsthand. I once shared syringes, and all kinds of dopey products with them. Have also shared in this behavior with some moronic conservatives.
Calm down, Timmy (Leary)! Most are, intelligent idiots…just like you. I tell you Jesus smoked crack, and what do you do? Go out and buy some crack. Obama gives you hope, and what do you do? Invest in hope and go belly up. Rangel cheats on his taxes, and you want to give him a golden spear. Plated of course.
Accept the majority of liberals are delusional and elitist. World savers, without flavor. Good boy. Now…let’s go blow up some taliban!

JamesA1102 said:
Excuse me. I misread what you wrote and have my apologies.

For those conservatives that don’t understand what this is, it’s called a “correction.” Typically it is issued when one has been found to be espousing information that later turns out to be erroneous. Since conservatives are pretty much always in that condition (discovering that they’re wrong on the facts), it would be helpful if you learned how to issue a correction yourselves. It’s really not that hard. Here’s how it works…

First, you admit that you made a mistake – “Excuse me.”

Second, explain what the mistake is – “I misread what you wrote…”

Last, make nice – “…and have my apologies.”

See, it’s not really all that hard. It’s OK to be a bigger person and admit you were wrong. You won’t die. The Earth won’t stop spinning and the sun will continue to rise on schedule. Try it. You may be proud of yourself for something legitimate for a change.

The real Royal Gnome said:
Meh . One mans dog fighting, is another mans Planet of the Apes.

No, it really isn’t. But I didn’t realize I was talking to someone in the Michael Vick fan club. ;-)

goldmind said:
Paulie, liberals have and always will, self-destruct. I know this firsthand. I once shared syringes, and all kinds of dopey products with them. Have also shared in this behavior with some moronic conservatives.
Calm down, Timmy (Leary)! Most are, intelligent idiots…just like you. I tell you Jesus smoked crack, and what do you do? Go out and buy some crack. Obama gives you hope, and what do you do? Invest in hope and go belly up. Rangel cheats on his taxes, and you want to give him a golden spear. Plated of course.
Accept the majority of liberals are delusional and elitist. World savers, without flavor. Good boy. Now…let’s go blow up some taliban!

Paulie? Way to break the ice, nimrod.

You don’t know squat about squat. And if you really did share syringes at any point in your life, you’re dumber than a box of rocks and not worth listening to on anything. Why don’t you take your out-patient counselor routine back to the meth clinic where it belongs.

okthankbuhbye

Just as I thought. Paulie, how did you know I was a meth addict? Don’t recall sharing that. Hear me out my wayward, confused Lib(erachee), I’m making nice with you. Generally, I cyberslap wimpletons like thee. I know, you are probably gay, and ultra sensitive to the written and spoken word…but not the KY. Paulie, I’ve been defending weasels like you for 40+ years…it’s exhausting. Get real chump. This is not a Rosie O’Donnell tirade. Not Ellen, giving you free gifts and flighty dances. And, this is certainly not homo-heaven.
It’s a lad, with battle scars, to go around your neck tenfold. If you cannot be a defender…go away. Not of those miscreants in office or media glass houses, but a defender of REAL freedom. If you can’t wear your liberal badge with dignity…get a rope. Oh…you’re lucky I’m in a good mood. Sucking down some Rumpleminze.

Paul Westlake said:
What “race” are Italians?

They think they will suddenly become members of the wealthy (mostly white) elite when the last liberal is finally run out of America (and that’s when Sara makes her triumphant return, of course).

Mostly white – race card, no?

Paul Westlake said:
1) If you don’t like being accused of things, maybe you should keep your own accusations down a bit.
2) Conservatives accuse liberals of hating America just because we disagree with conservative policy, which is un-American and removes your claim to the high ground on unfounded accusations.
3) Lots of people have hobbies that others don’t understand. To be so callous as to use a person’s joy as a weapon against them is typical of mean-spirited conservatives and reveals your irrational, all-encompassing hatred for all things liberal

You’re an idiot.
Tweak.

Dude, you need to address your little rant here at JamesA1102.

JamesA1102 said:
But you’ve said that you would never vote for a Dem. I’m just repeating what you put out there.

AGAIN. NEVER AGAIN.

I love America so much that I live in Italy? Explain that? How is it possible that when you write, Sara (who loves America so much she lives in Italy…) is reinforcing my love for America? You are SUCH A LIAR.

sarainitaly said:
Where have I ever gleefully admitted to hating Obama?
Practically in any post you make relating to President Obama. – LIAR> Where have I ever “gleefully admited to hating Obama”?

“I’m still waiting for an explaination on how a person’s hobbies and interests disqualify them from having a political opinion. Or how hunting down a person’s screenname just because they disagree with you is not a creepy obsession.”

– They don’t disqualify you from having an opinion. It just tells me your mindset and all I need to know about you. You’re a geeky freak who is obsessed with Planet of the Apes. A creepy obsession is doing what you do, wrt to POTA and towards me. Have you noticed how many people on here tell you what a freak you are for your harassing comments towards me?

Googling someone who is harassing your every word online is not an obsession, or creepy. I wanted to know who this POTA loving freak was that keeps harassing me, and using everything about me to throw it back in my face. I was told about your POTA obsession, and I went to see for myself. Hardly and obsession. What I found however, mighty creepy.

JamesA1102 is an American hating POTA obsessed creepy stalker and a liar.

Paul Westlake said:
Using a person’s hobby as a weapon against them is disgusting…

Dude, this is what James (and RRk and Iris) do to me constantly. James is getting it served back at him. He doesn’t like it…. now he knows how it feels.

“Just saying no they aren’t over and over again doesn’t change the fact that they are different things. Nor does it change that you originally said Wilson was censured when he wasn’t. You got your facts wrong and rather than being an adult about it, you’re trying to change make excuses.”

- after writing, “didn’t they censure Wilson…?” I corrected myself, providing a newsweek story that says He WAS censured, and another story that says it was changed to a rebuke. You claimed they were *two very different things* yet you can’t tell us how.

JamesA1102 said:
But you’ve said that you would never vote for a Dem. I’m just repeating what you put out there.

Paul Westlake said:
Using a person’s hobby as a weapon against them is disgusting…

“Stop lying Sara (who benefits from government sponsored healtcare). You’ve never voted for a Democrat.”

“Oh cut the crap Sara! I’ve read your blogs and you’ve been an Obama hater from day one. …”

It seems that Sara (who loves America so much that she lives in a foreign country where she benefits from government healthcare) leads such a priviledged life that she has all say to watch American TV on Satellite and then search for links from conservative websites.

Sara (who loves America so much that she lives in a foreign country where she benefits from government healthcare and spends all day watching American cable news on satellite TV) is the last person to accuse anyone of hypocrisy.

You’re as crazy and racist as Sara(who loves America so much that she lives in a foreign country where she benefits from government healthcare).

James is a liar, and according to Paul, disgusting.

SmartAlec said:
Could be that he doesn’t know how to communicate with women and this is his way of “hitting” on you.

Considering his obsession with POTA, I think you’re spot on!

Well, class, let’s review. Republican Randall Cunningham (CA), committed fewer crimes than did Mr. Rangel. Cunningham was sentenced to 8+ years in prison. The reason Cunningham only got 8 years was because when sentenced, he was being treated for cancer, so he’ll likely die in prison. But, thanks to a bill sponsored by John Kerry (D-Stalingrad) Cunningham was stripped of ALL pensions and benefits associated with his service in Congress. Think Kerry will jump on Rangel that way? Me neither.

How about Wesley Snipes? I can’t recall ever seeing one of his films, not that it matters. Seems that Mr. Snipes was convicted of not paying taxes for three years, so it looks like three years in “the pen”. So if there’s any justice, Mr. Rangel should be getting, oh, 17 or so years in jail. But no. He gets scolded by one of the other Marxists, oh, excuse me! He gets scolded by the Queen of the PROGRESSIVES! Who’d like to contact Messrs. Cunningham and Snipes to query whether or not THEY would prefer a tongue-massge from Queen Nancy as opposed to hard time?

goldmind said:
I’m making nice with you. Generally, I cyberslap wimpletons like thee.

You don’t “make nice” by calling me a “wimpleton.” I stopped reading there and I really don’t give a rat’s ass what you have to say, urchin.

sarainitaly said:
Mostly white – race card, no?

It would be if I wasn’t white. I know my race all too well, Sara. Don’t even think about it! I brook no dissent on white racism and I call it out and even use preemptive tactics on it. Yes, you better believe it. Defend white racism. Go ahead. Be my fucking guest. ;-)

sarainitaly said:
You’re an idiot.
Tweak.

Imagine my shock at seeing you write a thing like that.

sarainitaly said:
SmartAlec said:
Could be that he doesn’t know how to communicate with women and this is his way of “hitting” on you.

Considering his obsession with POTA, I think you’re spot on!

Still hammering away at the one thing you can use to make someone seem inferior to you, even though you’re clearly inferior to single-celled organisms. Aren’t you a charmer! I bet Italy can’t wait to be rid of your nasty ass. You must be one of those ugly Americans that complains that Italy isn’t “American” enough all day.

Sara in Vatican City: “Where’s the McDonalds?”

You really are a totally disgusting human being in every possible sense of the word.

misterbee said:
Well, class, let’s review. Republican Randall Cunningham (CA), committed fewer crimes than did Mr. Rangel. Cunningham was sentenced to 8+ years in prison. The reason Cunningham only got 8 years was because when sentenced, he was being treated for cancer, so he’ll likely die in prison. But, thanks to a bill sponsored by John Kerry (D-Stalingrad) Cunningham was stripped of ALL pensions and benefits associated with his service in Congress. Think Kerry will jump on Rangel that way? Me neither.

Pretty poor effort at revisionism if you ask me…

Wikipedia just for the summary:
“On November 28, 2005, Cunningham pled guilty to tax evasion, conspiracy to commit bribery, mail fraud and wire fraud in federal court in San Diego. Among the many bribes Cunningham admitted receiving were the house sale at an inflated price, the free use of the yacht, a used Rolls-Royce, antique furniture, Persian rugs, jewelry, and a $2,000 contribution for his daughter’s college graduation party. Cunningham’s attorney, Mark Holscher, later said that the government’s evidence was so overwhelming that he had no choice but to recommend a guilty plea. With the plea bargain, Cunningham faced a maximum of 10 years; had he fought the charges, Cunningham risked spending the rest of his life in prison.”

“Almost as soon as Cunningham pled guilty, Intelligence Committee chairman Pete Hoekstra of Michigan (who represents Guy Vander Jagt’s former district) announced his panel would investigate whether Cunningham used his post on that committee to steer contracts to favored companies. Hoekstra said that Cunningham “no longer gets the benefit of the doubt” due to his admission to “very, very serious” crimes.”

References:
- http://legacy.signonsandiego.com/news/politics/cunningham/20051130-9999-1n30staff.html
- http://legacy.signonsandiego.com/news/politics/cunningham/20051130-9999-1n30duke.html
- http://www.10news.com/news/9190582/detail.html

And the Kerry Bill was for ALL members of Congress, not just for Cunningham…

- http://www.boston.com/news/nation/washington/articles/2006/02/09/kerry_bill_to_target_legislators_convicted_of_misconduct/

Survey says: BZZZZZ!

PS – Pete Hoekstra is a Republican. ;-)

sarainitaly said:
Dude, this is what James (and RRk and Iris) do to me constantly. James is getting it served back at him. He doesn’t like it…. now he knows how it feels.

sarainitaly said:
You’re as crazy and racist as Sara(who loves America so much that she lives in a foreign country where she benefits from government healthcare).

James is a liar, and according to Paul, disgusting.

Um, Sara, living in Italy is not a “hobby.” It’s where you live. Not our fault if you’re embarrassed by that. I don’t think James is embarrassed by running a POTA fan site, I just think it’s demeaning to suggest having a hobby makes him less than you. But choosing to make your permanent home in Italy is NOT a hobby. And arguing about policy in America that has NOTHING to do with you, since you live in Italy, is rude and hypocritical. Just because you may be FROM America, doesn’t mean you have any credibility on American issues. You’re an ex-pat who will not be affected by any domestic policy decisions in America. But since you refuse to butt out, you’re going to be revealed as a foreign actor from time to time. That’s just the way it goes. But your residential choice has nothing to do with another person’s hobby and cannot be equated. That’s just juvenile and denotes and unwarranted superiority complex.

Paul Westlake said:
It would be if I wasn’t white. I know my race all too well, Sara. Don’t even think about it! I brook no dissent on white racism and I call it out and even use preemptive tactics on it. Yes, you better believe it. Defend white racism. Go ahead. Be my fucking guest. ;-)

You threw the race card when you made that dumb ass comment :

“They think they will suddenly become members of the wealthy (mostly white) elite when the last liberal is finally run out of America (and that’s when Sara makes her triumphant return, of course).” I will return when America consists of white elite conservatives? Is that not what you were saying?

“Imagine my shock at seeing you write a thing like that.”
“Sara, if you don’t know that my language is intentionally designed to tweak by now… I don’t know what to do with you! ;-)”

Oh, so you can throw out bullshit statements and then claim you were just *tweaking* me, but I’m not allowed? Here: You’re a dumbass. No tweaking! how’s that?

” Aren’t you a charmer! I bet Italy can’t wait to be rid of your nasty ass. You must be one of those ugly Americans that complains that Italy isn’t “American” enough all day.
Sara in Vatican City: “Where’s the McDonalds?”
You really are a totally disgusting human being in every possible sense of the word.”

Ah, so Paul is a fan of Planet of the Apes, too. LOL! Figures. Did I touch a nerve there, boy? Do you and James get together and play with your ape action figure dolls?

Paul Westlake said:
Um, Sara, living in Italy is not a “hobby.”

NO shit, really? No duh, dumb ass! But politics are my hobby, and I spend a lot of time watching and reading about them. James “attacks me for my hobby”. And I have been attacked for my other hobbies posted on my blog:
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/mediaites-rachel-sklar-talks-stewart-fallout-olbermann-suspension-on-reliable-sources/#comment-206927

So kindly STFU, you don’t know what you are talking about. This started BECAUSE of James. So, spare me your psycho babble hysterics.

Blockquote>It seems that Sara (who loves America so much that she lives in a foreign country where she benefits from government healthcare) leads such a priviledged life that she has all say to watch American TV on Satellite and then search for links from conservative websites.

Sara (who loves America so much that she lives in a foreign country where she benefits from government healthcare and spends all day watching American cable news on satellite TV) is the last person to accuse anyone of hypocrisy.

You really are a totally disgusting human being in every possible sense of the word.

sarainitaly said:
AGAIN. NEVER AGAIN. I love America so much that I live in Italy? Explain that? How is it possible that when you write, Sara (who loves America so much she lives in Italy…) is reinforcing my love for America? You are SUCH A LIAR.

I never said it was reinforcing anything just noting it. You love America and you live in a foreign country. Where is the lie?

sarainitaly said:
– They don’t disqualify you from having an opinion. It just tells me your mindset and all I need to know about you. You’re a geeky freak who is obsessed with Planet of the Apes. A creepy obsession is doing what you do, wrt to POTA and towards me. Have you noticed how many people on here tell you what a freak you are for your harassing comments towards me?

All you need to know? LOL. Actually it is your reaction that tells everyone all they need to know about you.

sarainitaly said:
Googling someone who is harassing your every word online is not an obsession, or creepy.

Could have fooled me.

sarainitaly said:
JamesA1102 is an American hating POTA obsessed creepy stalker and a liar.

There you go again, proving you’re self to be an elitist and a liar.

sarainitaly said:
Dude, this is what James (and RRk and Iris) do to me constantly. James is getting it served back at him. He doesn’t like it…. now he knows how it feels.

Actually I love it. It just proves me more and more right about the person that you are.

Paul Westlake said:
I don’t think James is embarrassed by running a POTA fan site, I just think it’s demeaning to suggest having a hobby makes him less than you.

Paul,
One thing that you’re missing here. Since President Obama won the election, planet of apes has become a code word used by right wing bloggers regarding minorities in politics and government. Glenn Beck has even used this term. This is not about some old movie, it’s about using a term that is demeaning to minorities.

sarainitaly said:
But politics are my hobby, and I spend a lot of time watching and reading about them. James “attacks me for my hobby”. And I have been attacked for my other hobbies posted on my blog:http://www.mediaite.com/tv/mediaites-rachel-sklar-talks-stewart-fallout-olbermann-suspension-on-reliable-sources/#comment-206927

I just want to point out I said nothing about Sara’s hobbies, other than bashing liberals, that was someone else.

sarainitaly said:
This started BECAUSE of James.

This is what you don’t get. Nothing started because of me. It started because of you, because of the negativity that you put out there, because of the nastiness that you put out there, and the hypocrisy that you put out there. That is what starts it.

sarainitaly said:
Ah, so Paul is a fan of Planet of the Apes, too. LOL! Figures. Did I touch a nerve there, boy? Do you and James get together and play with your ape action figure dolls?

There you go again, scumbag. No, I’ve seen POTA like one and half times…

Favorite moment: “It’s a madhouse! A MADHOUSE!”

But in light of this clarification from James…

JamesA1102 said:
…planet of apes has become a code word used by right wing bloggers regarding minorities in politics and government. Glenn Beck has even used this term. This is not about some old movie, it’s about using a term that is demeaning to minorities.

Wow, Sara! Funny how I just happened to stumble onto another one of your racist tendencies. Guess who touched the nerve, doctor. The thing you made the biggest stink about in my comment just came back to bitchslap you. No wonder you were so unnerved by my singling out white racists… no fucking wonder, Sara.

sarainitaly said:
So kindly STFU, you don’t know what you are talking about. This started BECAUSE of James. So, spare me your psycho babble hysterics.

I’ve seen the way you operate way too many times. You may not stoop quite as low as notsoswift, but you hurl your share of invective and take plenty of personal swipes, not to mention egging on other reactionaries who do the same and worse. So cry me a river, lady, boy, Zod from Zeta 2 Reticuli. I have no idea who you are or where you live. You’re anonymous here, no matter what your name says or how many complicated stories you tell. You could be reading letters for all we know. You invite the entire thing on yourself by insisting on creating a persona that is assailable when it isn’t necessary because YOU’RE ANONYMOUS!

So no, I will not kindly shut the fuck up. But I would invite you to kindly shut “sarainitaly” down and avoid the whole thing altogether if it’s such a big fucking deal to you. How about that for a fucking solution!

Oh, and I enjoy a good Next Gen “Q” episode as much as the next guy, but stop stealing John de Lancie’s lines. hahahahahaha

JamesA1102 said:
Paul,
One thing that you’re missing here. Since President Obama won the election, planet of apes has become a code word used by right wing bloggers regarding minorities in politics and government. Glenn Beck has even used this term. This is not about some old movie, it’s about using a term that is demeaning to minorities.

Thanks, I hadn’t even checked for your site. I just didn’t like the nature of the attack, but in light of this, it’s a whole different thing. Wow. The only solace I take is in the knowledge that psychopathy is mostly behavioral and denotes poor parenting more than genetic defect. We’re not doomed, just hobbled by the selfish.

And by the way…

sarainitaly said:
Like I said, Joe Wilson got the same treatment, and all he did was call a liar a liar.

No, all Joe Wilson did was become the first person in American history to hurl an invective at a sitting president during an address to a joint session of Congress. Funny how it was the first black President, and funny how you defend it so quickly in this context. Funny… that.

JamesA1102 said:
One thing that you’re missing here. Since President Obama won the election, planet of apes has become a code word used by right wing bloggers regarding minorities in politics and government. Glenn Beck has even used this term. This is not about some old movie, it’s about using a term that is demeaning to minorities.

WTF are you TALKING about? You two are totally insane. James runs a fan site for POTA. He is obsessed with the movie.

Code word for racists? You two are completely deranged. nice try.

JamesA1102 said:
It started because of you, because of the negativity that you put out there, because of the nastiness that you put out there, and the hypocrisy that you put out there. That is what starts it.

A different opinion is not nastiness James, it’s a different opinion. What you do daily is nasty and hateful.

Paul Westlake said:
Oh, and I enjoy a good Next Gen “Q” episode as much as the next guy, but stop stealing John de Lancie’s lines.

Good gawd, what the hell are you talking about?

You two are the biggest hateful psychotic nerdy liars on the planet.

Paul Westlake said:
No, all Joe Wilson did was become the first person in American history to hurl an invective at a sitting president during an address to a joint session of Congress. Funny how it was the first black President, and funny how you defend it so quickly in this context. Funny… that.

No, he’s the only one who ever got caught.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBxmEGG71PM

Funny how all you guys see is Obama’s skin color. I guess he will never be anything more to you than a black president. That’s sad, really.

Wilson said it was a lie because it was a lie. Funny how you ignore that, and just make up your own little fantasy.

James and Paul – two little racists and liars in a pod.

Paul Westlake said:
he thing you made the biggest stink about in my comment just came back to bitchslap you. No wonder you were so unnerved by my singling out white racists… no fucking wonder, Sara.

you are mentally challenged. severely.

JamesA1102 said:
I just want to point out I said nothing about Sara’s hobbies, other than bashing liberals, that was someone else.

liar.

sarainitaly said:
No, he’s the only one who ever got caught.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RBxmEGG71PM

Great clip! Nobody shouted at Bush. Harumphs and cheers are expected. Outbursts are not. You LOVE to play the false equivalencies to “prove” your points, but they only serve to reinforce the truth and your own blind partisan hatred. And in this case we get a bonus. Not only did the GOP give a sustained cheer much more boisterous than any of the harumphing in the chamber, but they did so to show support for effectively privatizing social security. Ah, the heady days of 2005, before the 2006 slaughter, when conservative Republicans thought they could do anything with their “permanent majorities.” Guess things didn’t go quite according to plan for that group, did it?

sarainitaly said:
you are mentally challenged. severely.

And you’re a thin-skinned racist. Have a nice day.

sarainitaly said:
liar.

Oh and I see you provided no proof, just hurled accusations… as usual. What a hack.

sarainitaly said:
WTF are you TALKING about? You two are totally insane. James runs a fan site for POTA. He is obsessed with the movie.

No obsession is when you do a web search on someone screenname to try to find weapons to use against them just because they disagree with you.

sarainitaly said:
A different opinion is not nastiness James, it’s a different opinion. What you do daily is nasty and hateful.

Telling the truth is not nasty and hateful. Unless the person you’re telling the truth about is nasty and hateful.

This discussion has reached, Nancy Grace Proportions. Paul…you are a depository, and Italy…a lady. Why delve into a discussion that has already left the table? Charlie Rangel, fucked up. He’s a greaseball, and so is Bush. Okay? Move on motherfucker.

Hey…and by the way(side), you get mucho kudos danny…for opening this forum. Ciao!

Who is Nancy Poloski?

Paul Westlake said:
And you’re a thin-skinned racist.

Paul Westlake said:
Funny how it was the first black President, and funny how you defend it so quickly in this context.

Paul Westlake said:
There you go again, scumbag.

Paul Westlake said:
you’re clearly inferior to single-celled organisms. Aren’t you a charmer! I bet Italy can’t wait to be rid of your nasty ass. You must be one of those ugly Americans that complains that Italy isn’t “American” enough all day.
Sara in Vatican City: “Where’s the McDonalds?”

You really are a totally disgusting human being in every possible sense of the word.

Paul Westlake said:
You disgust me.

Paul Westlake said:
That’s the only thing they care about. They think they will suddenly become members of the wealthy (mostly white) elite when the last liberal is finally run out of America (and that’s when Sara makes her triumphant return, of course).

Paul Westlake said:
Oh and I see you provided no proof, just hurled accusations… as usual. What a hack.

JamesA1102 said:
No obsession is when you do a web search on someone screenname to try to find weapons to use against them just because they disagree with you.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/watch-speaker-nancy-pelosi-delivers-house-censure-to-rep-charlie-rangel/#comment-230783

Correct – you are obsessed. And sexist. And a liar.

sarainitaly said:
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/watch-speaker-nancy-pelosi-delivers-house-censure-to-rep-charlie-rangel/#comment-230783 Correct – you are obsessed. And sexist. And a liar.

Again that is a list of statements, show where the lies are. Plus I never hunted down all you’re online activities and hobbies to discredit you. That was your obsession.

Here we go again on my theory of Good Capitalist or Bad Catalist.
Speeding towards a financial meltdown, the Wall Street debacle surfaced from easy money, caused by low interest rates, which promoted the trading of false securities, milking the system, over productions and sale of houses, cars and all real estate in general. Alan Greenspan, not raising interest rate when he should have, may have inadvertently saved the world economies. Why? It exposed the theft, graft, corruption, mismanaged and misguided Wall Street Stock Market. This allowed legislators and regulators to reset and fine tune our financial system along with future oversight and transparency. Now we only need to deal with the problems of Bad Capitalist and Good Capitalist, helping them understand their part in keeping the world economies running smooth. We first need to ask them, are you helping with the solutions or are you part of the problems. I believe the College Frat Parties were a boost to creating more Bad Capitalist than our economies previously had to deal with. If we ask ourselves, “What is a good Capitalist and what is a Bad Capitalist?” Many would like to generalize, like most TV Anchors and Commentators, comparing Capitalism to Communist, Socialist or Kingdoms. You can only generalize with those comparisons. We can be more specific if we compare Capitalist to Capitalist. Are they Good or Bad? Again, it’s Similar to comparing Republicans to Republicans or Democrats to Democrats. You can learn more with fewer misunderstandings this way.
Capitalism is very fragile and in the past, has been abused by all the Mr. Greedy that came along, many gangsters have practiced Capitalism. Communist practice Capitalism, Kingdoms practice Capitalism.
Everyone who believes in Capitalism should be an advocate of good moral standards that can survive the criticism of everyone on earth. You are either a Good Capitalist who gives respect and honor to the civil rights of everyone except those trying to destroy you which could mean terrorist, or a Bad Capitalist who worships money to the extent of participating in activities of any nature that would be immoral, unethical or even disgusting to the point of bullying, name calling, dirty looks or dirty tricks and all of this for a dollar. Leave these tactics to immature children.
Good Capitalist are not depriving employees of decent wages and giving millions to charity to gain respect in their community. Good Capitalist don’t send jobs overseas while accepting security and first class protection from our soldiers giving their lives and limbs while Bad Capitalist send their jobs overseas instead of taking care of their sons, daughters and relatives first.
It is not hard to see, there are Good Capitalist and Bad Capitalist and that is our ONLY PROBLEM.

sarainitaly said:
Paul Westlake said:
And you’re a thin-skinned racist.

Paul Westlake said:
Funny how it was the first black President, and funny how you defend it so quickly in this context.

Paul Westlake said:
There you go again, scumbag.

Paul Westlake said:
you’re clearly inferior to single-celled organisms. Aren’t you a charmer! I bet Italy can’t wait to be rid of your nasty ass. You must be one of those ugly Americans that complains that Italy isn’t “American” enough all day.
Sara in Vatican City: “Where’s the McDonalds?”

You really are a totally disgusting human being in every possible sense of the word.

Paul Westlake said:
You disgust me.

Paul Westlake said:
That’s the only thing they care about. They think they will suddenly become members of the wealthy (mostly white) elite when the last liberal is finally run out of America (and that’s when Sara makes her triumphant return, of course).

Paul Westlake said:
Oh and I see you provided no proof, just hurled accusations… as usual. What a hack.

Yep, I said all that. And I meant every word of it! Got something to fucking say? Huh!?

uggugg said:
It is not hard to see, there are Good Capitalist and Bad Capitalist and that is our ONLY PROBLEM.

Totally agree. The problem is, to be a “good” capitalist, one must care about something more than profit. And to the reactionaries in America, caring about anything other than pure profit is “socialism.” Socialism has been redefined as an evil by guilt of association (thanks a lot, USSR). Because right-wingers have bought into Soviet propaganda that redefined “socialism” as “authoritarianism,” they perceive anything not devoted to the pursuit of pure profit as “evil.” They really, actually believe that shit. There are Christian conservatives furiously pouring over the Bible trying to find verses that support the notion that all of Christ’s teachings were actually about small government and pulling ourselves up by our bootstraps. They haven’t found them in thirty years of searching, so they decided that Bible isn’t good enough and have embarked on writing a whole new Bible instead…

- http://www.conservapedia.com/Conservative_Bible_Project

Don’t like God’s Law? No biggie, we’re changing God’s Law anyway!

This is what we’re dealing with. They won’t be defeated by logic, they’ll be defeated by power. Nothing less will do.

BlackWidow said:
As far as I am concerened he should have been embarrassed enough to retire. I don’t care which party they are they need to go.

Well, you’ve just cited one–it’s called income tax evasion. That’s what they got Al Capone on, just ask Big Eddie.

But, in spite of Nancy Pelosi’s promise to run the most ethical congress in history, Rangel will never be charged with a crime in the HR, and it was something akin to getting a root canal to even get Rangel censured.

JamesA1102 said:
True, he owes back taxes for a rental property. A lot of people owe back taxes. But exactly what law did he break?

BW, this is one of the rare instances where we agree: Miscreance of any sort by our elected representatives SHOULD never be tolerated by “We the People,” yet you and I have friends with whom we tend to agree politically who willingly turn their heads when those whom they have supported with their vote behave in an untoward fashion. I guess the bottom line is that “We the People” will always get the worst possible government we will tolerate. It is therefore up to US to lay aside our partisanship and DEMAND better. If we don’t, this wonderful country will just slide right on down into the sewer.

Please switch the comments above, the last one is for BlackWidow and the first one is for JamesA1102

timzank said:
If memory serves, Ensign was hosing one of his assistants/staffers (like an intern). I don’t think that’s a “jailable” offense. Maybe we should ask Bill Clinton.

It is still errant behavior, and unbecoming of an elected representative. Please see previous commentary.

Paul Westlake said:
Totally agree. The problem is, to be a “good” capitalist, one must care about something more than profit.

I think I agree with your premise–that all people (not just capitalists) should be compelled to operate within the confines of ethical behavior–but if you’re not in business to make a profit, you’re either the government or some iterration of a fool. No margin; no mission.

misterbee said:
Well, class, let’s review. Republican Randall Cunningham (CA), committed fewer crimes than did Mr. Rangel. Cunningham was sentenced to 8+ years in prison. The reason Cunningham only got 8 years was because when sentenced, he was being treated for cancer, so he’ll likely die in prison. But, thanks to a bill sponsored by John Kerry (D-Stalingrad) Cunningham was stripped of ALL pensions and benefits associated with his service in Congress. Think Kerry will jump on Rangel that way? Me neither. How about Wesley Snipes? I can’t recall ever seeing one of his films, not that it matters. Seems that Mr. Snipes was convicted of not paying taxes for three years, so it looks like three years in “the pen”. So if there’s any justice, Mr. Rangel should be getting, oh, 17 or so years in jail. But no. He gets scolded by one of the other Marxists, oh, excuse me! He gets scolded by the Queen of the PROGRESSIVES! Who’d like to contact Messrs. Cunningham and Snipes to query whether or not THEY would prefer a tongue-massge from Queen Nancy as opposed to hard time?

Thank you for your insight. Your remarks bear repeating…so I did so.

Lotsa dual standards there alright. When a liberal does something that totally stinks, they get a pass. Patrick Kennedy’s drug addiction comes to mind.