If lying were an Olympic sport, Andrew Breitart would win the gold medal for America.

Well Breitbart has been pushing this jive ever since the health care bill passed and now that we have established through his own words that he doesn’t care about the truth, he only cares about attacking liberals it should be pretty obvious to any clear thinking person that he is full of shit.

If he really wanted to drive his point home he could stake out capitol hill and stalk Lewis until he got an answer but we all know he doesn’t have the cojones. And of course he’s extremely araid of John Lewis hence his need to slander him baed on 7 seconds of footage.

And way to go mediate-a one two punch against MMFA and this odious lying cretin.

Bi-partisan indeed.l

Thanks TC… I have been making the same argument here for days and appreciate your sound reasoning.

John Lewis and his crew that walked through the crowed that day made accusations. They have yet to prove their accusation of the N-word being yelled at them by anyone. And if it had happened you bet proof of that would have been forthcoming and the NYT would have been quick to produce the evidence of the occurance. NYT in the article tries to be on both sides, Mr. Lewis’ and the Tea Party in their vague position. Saying the Mr. Lewis didn’t lie and the found no Tea Party member that said the slur. Leaving one to assume that someone in the crowd said the N-Word to these congressman. What is missing from the NYT and Mr Lewis is proof. If you are going to make an accusation, all we ask is proof. Mr Lewis and crew have not offered proof. Until they do the event didn’t happen. It is like someone saying the saw a UFO without proof, most reasonable people wouldn’t believe it without proof. We should all call for proof of this happening, else consider that it probably didn’t happen. NYT, Mediate, etc. etc. should put forth effort to prove that this did happen. They seem to spend more time misdirecting people from taking a factual view of this. If you believe Mr. Lewis and company are telling the truth then it is simple provide video evidence and we’ll all know for a fact. This proof is worth a reward that has been put up. Surely if the proof existed then someone would have brought it forward.

I started reading this and looked up to who wrote it – what a shock, Tommy! lol!

Coverage of this event was UBIQUITOUS! – Of course they LIED & once again did what Democrats & Tawana Sharpton-type Black politicians have been doing for 40 years …..THEY PLAYED THE RACE CARD!!!!!!!!

Why in this or any other article with a DIRECT quote from John Lewis? Why has there been NO interview on TAPE of Lewis making this claim? I will tell you why. Lewis was lying when he said it the first time. He was just playing the RACE card to some friends and he won’t repeat it to others.

Once again I will REPEAT that Jesse Jackson Jr. can be seen in video that day with a video camera in his hand holding it in the face of people in the crowd. WHERE is HIS video?

Tommy Christopher is just trying to add to the lies about what happened that day. Which pocket do you keep your Conservative Hate Club card.

Have you ever tried out for the Trophy at the Liars Club.

Ridiculous story . No epithets have been recorded . That ” spooky ” music does not do it . Utter nonsense . Poor John Lewis said nothing about this . Emmanuel Cleaver was the guy who said someone spit on him . He is also black . I guess they all look alike to you ,huh?

NORBIT said:
I started reading this and looked up to who wrote it – what a shock, Tommy! lol!

Coverage of this event was UBIQUITOUS! – Of course they LIED & once again did what Democrats & Tawana Sharpton-type Black politicians have been doing for 40 years …..THEY PLAYED THE RACE CARD!!!!!!!!

Swetty Pit,

Your insanity pure, just don’t donate blood… I fear the influence of it’s taint.

gordonbloyershow said:
Why in this or any other article with a DIRECT quote from John Lewis? Why has there been NO interview on TAPE of Lewis making this claim? I will tell you why. Lewis was lying when he said it the first time. He was just playing the RACE card to some friends and he won’t repeat it to others.

Once again I will REPEAT that Jesse Jackson Jr. can be seen in video that day with a video camera in his hand holding it in the face of people in the crowd. WHERE is HIS video?

Tommy Christopher is just trying to add to the lies about what happened that day. Which pocket do you keep your Conservative Hate Club card.

Have you ever tried out for the Trophy at the Liars Club.

For a man who ran guns for the contras on his Norton your comments are old and neutered… What would Ollie say? Fight man, fight!

So basically Tommy you are repeating the same thing everyone has, this is nothing more than a he said he said issue and without proof of what was said we will never know. Liberals, includding Tommy, believe Lewis and conservatives dont, shocking and hard hitting stuff their from Mediaite.

SAWB said:
Surely if the proof existed then someone would have brought it forward.

SAWB, right on. With all of the video cameras and mikes that were around, you would think this would have been caught if it happened.

adel said:
Swetty Pit,
Your insanity pure, just don’t donate blood… I fear the influence of it’s taint.

Adel, that shows so much class!

One thing is perfectly clear about Tommy – he is interviewing for a job on MSNBC.

Pathetic stuff.

There is no evidence that the tea partiers are racist; there is tons of evidence that the folks in question, and their media sycophants are race baiters.

Tommy plays the race card — it is what he has learned from his master Keith.

Do you think if we stop posting on master baiter site he might go away?. How long are you going to beat the dead horse? it’s getting old and stale.

John Lewis has not stated he heard himself called “nigger.” Those other two clowns claimed it–claimed that they heard a “chorus” of 15 people shouting the word. And even this appeal to Lewis’s saintliness is insufficient for the claims made. He’s no more impeachable than anyone else. MLK is America’s great saint of the civil rights era and what do we know for a fact about his honesty? He routinely cheated on his wife; and he plagiarized much of his doctoral thesis. But again Lewis has conspicuously not reported that he heard the word. So maybe his integrity IS in tact.

TfT said:
One thing is perfectly clear about Tommy – he is interviewing for a job on MSNBC. Pathetic stuff. There is no evidence that the tea partiers are racist; there is tons of evidence that the folks in question, and their media sycophants are race baiters. Tommy plays the race card — it is what he has learned from his master Keith.

As I’ve said, white liberals are useless in all matters concerning race. They just roll over onto their backs like cowering dogs whenever someone black makes a racial claim.

If someone produces multiple video of the moment an event is alleged to have occured, and the video appears to contradict the alleged event; then that video has evidentiary value. Anything is possible. Maybe one person shouted “nigger”. But a chorus of n-words? Come on. Use your fucking head. Especially when we’re being asked to take the word of a couple of politicians who would benefit politically from lying about the event. And hoaxes alleging racial victimization is not unheard of.

I may be opening a can of worms here but I feel compelled to point out something.

It’s not up to Breitbart or even the tea party to prove that there weren’t racial slurs shouted at the congressmen. The congressmen claimed that there were and in fact there were many in that group who were taking film footage.

Christopher claims that Breitbart and the tea party can’t say without a shadow of a doubt that this didn’t happen. Why should they? They were not the ones accused of being racist. If the congressmen thought they heard it clear enough to make a point of saying it afterwards, then it should have been caught on tape. Clearly they couldn’t have heard anything clearly.

In a court of law (and for that matter any reasonable person) the burden of proof lies with those making the claim and not those defending themselves from the claim. Otherwise it’s like we still live in Salem during the witch trials. I doubt Christopher would honestly want that.

Correction on my third paragraph. The tea party is being accused of being racist. It’s up to the congressmen and those in the media who reported that to show us proof.

For a piece that purported blasts holes in Brietbart’s contention this thing is as solid as a fishing net.

For starters the press spent the first days declaring that this incident actually occured. Your “witness testimony” is evidence in court, but does that uphold with journalistic integrity? I doubt it, because it was only after evidence of the occurance was demanded did the press narrative shift to, “witnesses claim” it occured. You state that you prove this wrong because Breitbart’s basic claim, which somehow presupposes that the failure to meet a burden of proof is, in and of itself, “conclusive evidence.” Brietbart was calling for some type of hard evidence to justify the media stories, but your claim is his proof of a lack of evidence does not hold up, therefore you should be allowed to continue pushing a story, even though you lack credible evidence yourself. When the hell did journalism become that backwords?

You may elect to dismiss the call for video evidence as the thinnest refutation, but after listening to Andre Carson’s contention of what happened it is not an unrealistic request. He did not say a few people uttered slurs, he declared that people were actually chanting the N-Word at them. Considering two people walking along with their group had video cameras aimed on the crowd is it unreasonable to expect something so overt to have been captured by anyone? The fact is if ANY hard proof existed it would have been placed on full rotation on MSNBC. Hell, soft proof would have been all they would need to pummel us with “evidence” of tea-party racism.

Tommy, you even expose the ruse yourself, with your criticism of Brietbart’s video: The only real truth is this: by watching this video we honestly have no idea what the protesters were saying. Exactly. Yet that did nothing to stop the press from declaring that racial slurs were yelled, absent anything approaching evidence.

Your parsing of the words in the NYT retraction is the most pathetic. You are insisting their explanation is essentially that they could not prove that in fact tea-party members were the ones who said something racially offensive. Let’s play that game and say that was their explanation of things, and as you say, “technically true”. What you are contending is that slurs did in fact get shouted that day, we just cannot conclusively say tea-party members uttered them, but since it was at a tea-party rally we can all assume things. Again, proof be damned.

What your article comes down to is this: All the evidence does nothing to show racial slurs were not shouted that day therefore, since nobody has been able to conclusively disprove a negative, we can continue slam the tea-party with this narrative.

Those are some wonderful standards.

Hey Tommy, do you have John Lewis on the record saying he was called the n-word? While you’re building the case that he’s telling the truth, you might want to link what he actually said.

Lewis never said he was called the n-word. Only Cleaver and then an aide or two did.

JOURNALISM!

Lewis did say this:

“They were shouting, sort of harassing,” Lewis said. “But, it’s OK, I’ve faced this before. It reminded me of the ’60s. It was a lot of downright hate and anger and people being downright mean.”

But not that anyone dropped the n-bomb on him. And yes, a lot of people were angry and hated what he was about to go do, which is rob them of their liberty. Lewis, of all people, ought to understand the problem they have with that.

Your’e not guilty until proven innocent. your’e innocent until proven guilty. I think if the N word was “shouted 15 times by 15 people” There is a good chance you would be able to make out at least one…even if the audio is “poor” (and its not that poor). Nice try Tommy.

Some of you are absolutely full of crap.

Eyewitness testimony has been a hallmark of the legal system for centuries. And now, because there is technology out there to record things, eyewitness testimony from people is now invalid.

Pl

Sean68 said:
John Lewis has not stated he heard himself called “nigger.” Those other two clowns claimed it–claimed that they heard a “chorus” of 15 people shouting the word. And even this appeal to Lewis’s saintliness is insufficient for the claims made. He’s no more impeachable than anyone else. MLK is America’s great saint of the civil rights era and what do we know for a fact about his honesty? He routinely cheated on his wife; and he plagiarized much of his doctoral thesis. But again Lewis has conspicuously not reported that he heard the word. So maybe his integrity IS in tact.

This event happened in Washington D.C., a city named after George Washington. George Washington, who has graven images on our currency and monuments erected in his name, viciously slaughtered Native Americans, cheated on his wife Martha with HUNDREDS of women, including the wives of his junior officers and many of his nearly 500 African SLAVES. Yet in folklore, Washington’s lauded for “not being able to tell a lie.”
I’ll take MLK on that scorecard, Sean, but I’m not shocked if you choose the White man, given your posts here.

MartiniShark said:
For a piece that purported blasts holes in Brietbart’s contention this thing is as solid as a fishing net.

For starters the press spent the first days declaring that this incident actually occured. Your “witness testimony” is evidence in court, but does that uphold with journalistic integrity? I doubt it, because it was only after evidence of the occurance was demanded did the press narrative shift to, “witnesses claim” it occured. You state that you prove this wrong because Breitbart’s basic claim, which somehow presupposes that the failure to meet a burden of proof is, in and of itself, “conclusive evidence.” Brietbart was calling for some type of hard evidence to justify the media stories, but your claim is his proof of a lack of evidence does not hold up, therefore you should be allowed to continue pushing a story, even though you lack credible evidence yourself. When the hell did journalism become that backwords?

You may elect to dismiss the call for video evidence as the thinnest refutation, but after listening to Andre Carson’s contention of what happened it is not an unrealistic request. He did not say a few people uttered slurs, he declared that people were actually chanting the N-Word at them. Considering two people walking along with their group had video cameras aimed on the crowd is it unreasonable to expect something so overt to have been captured by anyone? The fact is if ANY hard proof existed it would have been placed on full rotation on MSNBC. Hell, soft proof would have been all they would need to pummel us with “evidence” of tea-party racism.

Tommy, you even expose the ruse yourself, with your criticism of Brietbart’s video: The only real truth is this: by watching this video we honestly have no idea what the protesters were saying. Exactly. Yet that did nothing to stop the press from declaring that racial slurs were yelled, absent anything approaching evidence.

Your parsing of the words in the NYT retraction is the most pathetic. You are insisting their explanation is essentially that they could not prove that in fact tea-party members were the ones who said something racially offensive. Let’s play that game and say that was their explanation of things, and as you say, “technically true”. What you are contending is that slurs did in fact get shouted that day, we just cannot conclusively say tea-party members uttered them, but since it was at a tea-party rally we can all assume things. Again, proof be damned.

What your article comes down to is this: All the evidence does nothing to show racial slurs were not shouted that day therefore, since nobody has been able to conclusively disprove a negative, we can continue slam the tea-party with this narrative.

Those are some wonderful standards.

This is nonsense, Martini. The point is certainly correct by Christopher. That angry White mob outside of the capital was in a whipped up fury…but it wasn’t as though there was forensic video experts on hand to scientifically record this event with parabolic audio technology in anticipation of capturing individual or even multiple voices enunciating words or phrases.

The argument: “It must not have happened because none of the cell phone cameras held by both protesters and congress people picked it up” is specious at best.

The argument that racial slurs were used, given the HISTORY of the Tea Partyers past sensitivity and tolerance,,,,

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXaILy3GE7U&feature=related

…is specious as well.

–Cobra

How stupid does Breitbart think we are, I wonder? John Lewis has credibility and does not invent stories. Breitbart, on the other hand.. This is only “evidence” to those who are going to believe Breitbart over John Lewis no matter what, because of their politics. To any reasonable observer, it’s nothing.

Cobra said:
The argument: “It must not have happened because none of the cell phone cameras held by both protesters and congress people picked it up” is specious at best.

The argument that racial slurs were used, given the HISTORY of the Tea Partyers past sensitivity and tolerance,,,,

it’s not proof, but it certainly is significant. don’t kid yourself.

Um……so this video really shows nothig Tommy. I didn’t hear any “N-word.” To quote Jon Stewart of the Daily Show, “The Race Card is Maxed Out.”

So Tommy. In a previous comment about an article, you asked for “one example” of when a leftiest claimed that the only reason people oppose Obama is because of racism. So some of us showed you former President Carter and Ms. Garafalo, two entirely different people. Why didn’t you just take our word for it?

Proving something never happened is almost impossible. What Breitbart can only do is show that Lewis’ claim is highly unlikely, which he clearly does to any logical and unbiased person. The claim is that the word was repleatedly used, and that he was spit on. No spitting, clearly. So much video, so much video taken, no one claiming th $100K, and a ‘reasonable’ person concludes it’s likely untrue. The true story is if you expect to be attacked, you see it even if it’s not there. Good job for Breitbart for trying to prove a negative.

lane said:
The true story is if you expect to be attacked, you see it even if it’s not there.

And of course they expected to be attacked. They knew they had a crowd that was royally pissed off at them for passing legislation to remove their liberties, and they walked right through it instead of taking the tunnel they most certainly would have taken if there weren’t a pissed off crowd out there to go thumb their noses at.

Sadly, this premise echoes the voice of every stereotypically racist sheriff in the 60’s who ever uttered “Nobody’s gonna believe you, boy!” Ironically, it also echoes the white grand jury who refused to indict the murderer of Shirley Sherrod’s father.

That’s a disgusting paragraph, Ms. Dowd. You should be ashamed.

Oh for the love of God, for years now (and especially the last 18 months) virtually all prominent liberal african american politicians, pundits, and activists have systematically tried like hell to get get just ONE person to utter the “N” word on audio or video. Walking through that crowd fishing for an insult was so obvious it was funny, and especially when whitey didn’t take the bait.

They’ll keep doing it until they find some off-balance redneck somewhere to say something racist on video. It’s just what they do. The sad thing is it’s got absolutely nothing to do with actual civil rights or ending discrimination or advancing the cause of equal, rather it’s all about discrediting anyone who isn’t a liberal.

Kind of obvious they don’t really give a shit about civil rights, they just want to pick fights and turn the cameras on.

oops..should say “cause of equality”……

I love how cobra tries to knock off both Sean and Martini’s comments here but then fails to mention anything of any significance. It’s like an elementary school yard argument.

By these standards, we should ignore Seans comments because the whole incident took place in DC which was named after George Washington. Yawn.

As far as Martini’s argument is concerned Cobra misses the most basic point. The so called slurs and chants were obviously significant enough to the congressmen that they made a point of mentioning it to the press afterwards. If that were true you’d think one of the cameras rolling that day would have captured someone CLEARLY saying it. That fact is that they didn’t. No one needs to prove that they didn’t, the congressmen need to prove that they did because they’re the ones claiming it happened.

Cobra is right about one thing though, technology has made it harder to simply accuse someone of something when the camera can capture something completely different. All that means is now we won’t simply take someones word for it, reguardless of their history or position.

Before we get to either Breitbart’s video, or the Times‘ correction, its important to go over the other evidence that the incident did occur, at least as told by the corroborating testimony of three credible eyewitnesses.

Does anyone see the testimony of 3 eyewitnesses in that piece? I count two, Cleaver and Lewis.

As Dirk347 so aptly points out “That fact is that they didn’t. No one needs to prove that they didn’t, the congressmen need to prove that they did because they’re the ones claiming it happened.”

Any thinking person knows the burden is the accuser (Lewis), but they’ve done a nice job of turning it around (standard dem tactic) for their faithful…

They don’t accept the irony in the fact that the race baiters are really the moral equivalent of the racists they claim others to be.

Pablo said:
Does anyone see the testimony of 3 eyewitnesses in that piece? I count two, Cleaver and Lewis.

Ask any defense attorney about the reliability of eye witness testimony.

Tommy Christopher is a racist.

Prove otherwise, Tommy.

You would think that John Lewis would understand some simple facts. The enemy of the Civil Rights movement were southern Democrats. I wonder why is he a member of the party of racism, Jim Crow, Segregation, slavery … Doesn’t he know history? Or does he just think you don’t.

MLK wasn’t marching against Republican governors was he.

Attorney’s will tell you eyewitnesses really don’t know what they are talking about. And are annoyingly unreliable. Not because they lie, but because it’s the nature of the eyewitness to see and recall things that weren’t.

Jim Treacher said:
Tommy Christopher is a racist.

Prove otherwise, Tommy.

So’s your face.

Jim Treacher said:
Tommy Christopher is a racist. Prove otherwise, Tommy.

Treach! Whattup??

Well said!

I see that Tommy is unprepared to prove a negative.

“Breitbart can’t tell me what those individuals were saying, he certainly can’t tell me what they didn’t say. All were within earshot of the Congressmen, and none were picked up on the various cameras’ crude microphones. Were they saying something racist? The only real truth is this: by watching this video we honestly have no idea what the protesters were saying” So Says Tommy….

They were saying “kill the bill”. Tom Get the shite out of your ears.

P. S.
So’s Your Face???
What’s that mean? If Some calls you a racist. You say something like. Takes one to know one..

Your Response to Jim Treacher says it all! Nothing but children here on this site playing on computers, pretending to be journalist…. Go back to your coloring book Tommy you might still make it as an artist. LOL

How do we know TC does not have a Confederate wallet on a chain in his pocket ? That guy in the video , did he borrow the Confederate do rag from TC ? Well , we can’t ask him . can we ? I have not heard TC not curse black people ,… has anyone ?

Jim Treacher makes a great point. He does what the left does on a daily basis. The spout “you’re a racist”, then make you prove you’re not. I say we use their tactic, as despicable as it is. I mean, it’s obvious Tommy is a racist. Afterall, there’s no proof he isn’t.

Tommy wrote: “Earlier this week, conservative media figure Andrew Breitbart seized upon a New York Times story correction as proof that Civil Rights hero John Lewis (D-Ga) and others were “lying” when they claimed that a crowd of protesters had hurled the “n-word” at them as they walked to the Capitol to vote on health care reform.”

What exactly did John Lewis say? Where’s the quote? Tommy? Tommy? Buehler? John Lewis never said he was called the “N” word. But, since you’re part of the race-baiting left-wing media, I wouldn’t expect you to be honest, either, Tommy.

Jim Treacher said:,
I see that Tommy is unprepared to prove a negative.

Wait, so you’re agreeing with the entire premise of my post? That Breitbart is claiming to have proved a negative with his video? Kum ba yah!

This is nonsense, Martini. The point is certainly correct by Christopher. That angry White mob outside of the capital was in a whipped up fury…but it wasn’t as though there was forensic video experts on hand to scientifically record this event with parabolic audio technology in anticipation of capturing individual or even multiple voices enunciating words or phrases. The argument: “It must not have happened because none of the cell phone cameras held by both protesters and congress people picked it up” is specious at best. The argument that racial slurs were used, given the HISTORY of the Tea Partyers past sensitivity and tolerance,,,, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXaILy3GE7U&feature=related …is specious as well. –Cobra

And you missed my entire point. People like yourself are content to say, “Tea-partiers yelled the N-word, and until you prove they didn’t we’ll keep accusing them of saying it.” Well journalism is not based on proving a negative, it is supposed to rooted in fact and evidence. Congressman Andre Carson said people were chanting the N-Word, yet with cameras filming beside them not once was it captured. The burden of proof in any charge is in those leveling the accusation, not the accused. Tommy’s article is based on, “We’ll take their word for it, because we don’t like the other people.”

Tommy Christopher said:
Wait, so you’re agreeing with the entire premise of my post? That Breitbart is claiming to have proved a negative with his video? Kum ba yah!

I don’t see you proving you’re not a racist, Tommy.

lonestar77 said:
Jim Treacher makes a great point. He does what the left does on a daily basis. The spout “you’re a racist”, then make you prove you’re not. I say we use their tactic, as despicable as it is. I mean, it’s obvious Tommy is a racist. Afterall, there’s no proof he isn’t.

Tommy wrote: “Earlier this week, conservative media figure Andrew Breitbart seized upon a New York Times story correction as proof that Civil Rights hero John Lewis (D-Ga) and others were “lying” when they claimed that a crowd of protesters had hurled the “n-word” at them as they walked to the Capitol to vote on health care reform.”

What exactly did John Lewis say? Where’s the quote? Tommy? Tommy? Buehler? John Lewis never said he was called the “N” word. But, since you’re part of the race-baiting left-wing media, I wouldn’t expect you to be honest, either, Tommy.

I linked to an AJC article in which Lewis stands by his original statement that the n-word was used.

As for my old pal, Jim, (who admirably put aside ideological rancor to protest my unjust firing from Politics Daily), it looks like he’s proving my point, that Breitbart’s clips can’t prove a negative. We’ve gone over this in a previous thread, but the notion that accusations of racism are made with NO basis is false. The legitimacy of those accusations is a matter of individual merit. In the case of the health care protesters, the responses by Boehner, Steele, and Mike Pence were spot-on, and this whole thing would be a dead issue if Breitbart had left it at that.

http://blogs.ajc.com/cynthia-tucker/2010/04/13/the-strange-case-of-conservatives-calling-john-lewis-a-liar/

Bill Tarpon said:
You would think that John Lewis would understand some simple facts. The enemy of the Civil Rights movement were southern Democrats. I wonder why is he a member of the party of racism, Jim Crow, Segregation, slavery … Doesn’t he know history? Or does he just think you don’t. MLK wasn’t marching against Republican governors was he. Attorney’s will tell you eyewitnesses really don’t know what they are talking about. And are annoyingly unreliable. Not because they lie, but because it’s the nature of the eyewitness to see and recall things that weren’t.

After the Civil Rights laws were passed, the racists in the Democratic Senate and House moved over to the Republican side. And that is a fact.

Jim Treacher said:
I don’t see you proving you’re not a racist, Tommy.

Well, since it’s a well-known fact that you’re always wrong, can I use your accusation as proof?

MartiniShark said:
This is nonsense, Martini. The point is certainly correct by Christopher. That angry White mob outside of the capital was in a whipped up fury…but it wasn’t as though there was forensic video experts on hand to scientifically record this event with parabolic audio technology in anticipation of capturing individual or even multiple voices enunciating words or phrases. The argument: “It must not have happened because none of the cell phone cameras held by both protesters and congress people picked it up” is specious at best. The argument that racial slurs were used, given the HISTORY of the Tea Partyers past sensitivity and tolerance,,,, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXaILy3GE7U&feature=related …is specious as well. –Cobra

And you missed my entire point. People like yourself are content to say, “Tea-partiers yelled the N-word, and until you prove they didn’t we’ll keep accusing them of saying it.” Well journalism is not based on proving a negative, it is supposed to rooted in fact and evidence. Congressman Andre Carson said people were chanting the N-Word, yet with cameras filming beside them not once was it captured. The burden of proof in any charge is in those leveling the accusation, not the accused. Tommy’s article is based on, “We’ll take their word for it, because we don’t like the other people.”

Wrong. I never insisted that Breitbart prove a negative. I’m pointing out that he is wrong to claim he has done so.

Tommy Christopher said:
As for my old pal, Jim, (who admirably put aside ideological rancor to protest my unjust firing from Politics Daily)

Well, everybody makes mistakes.

it looks like he’s proving my point, that Breitbart’s clips can’t prove a negative.

Thousands of people, all with video cameras. A $100,000 bounty, unclaimed. And still you cling to hope that the charge is true.

Racist.

Tommy Christopher said:
Well, since it’s a well-known fact that you’re always wrong, can I use your accusation as proof?

You can do whatever you want, Tommy. I’m sure you’re convincing somebody.

Yeah, sure. In this age where video cameras & microphones are everywhere, a claim that someone was called the “N” word FIFTEEN times can’t be corroborated with proof. But, since it can’t be corroborated, the left-wing media just says “well, yeah there’s no proof but it’s a much better story if we just say it happened anyway. Afterall, we love to call people we disagree with racists”.

It’s not like people never make up false claims about racism. It happens everyday. The left-wing media calls everyone who disagrees with their hero, The ONe, a racist. It’s a crutch. It’s overused. It’s watered down. The truth is that most claims of racism are untrue & unfounded. But, since the left-wing media won’t call race-baiters on it, they continue to do it. Hell, people justify shooting a bunch of people by playing the race card. A black guy goes to work shoots a bunch of white people and the media investigates whether it was because he worked with a bunch of racists. Uh, no. The d-bag who targeted people of a different race is the racist, morons.

Tommy Christopher said:
Wrong. I never insisted that Breitbart prove a negative. I’m pointing out that he is wrong to claim he has done so.

I didn’t say you insisted he do so, he called for proof because no none else in the media felt driven to rely on any proof. Considering the testimony was people were chanting the N-word towards Congressman Lewis it stands to reason that video or audio of such would exist, especially since those walking with Lewis were recording what was happening. The lack of that evidence is pretty explanatory. Brietbat failing to disprove it does not excuse the charges being reported without merit.

Jim Treacher said:
You can do whatever you want, Tommy. I’m sure you’re convincing somebody.

BTW, even though you’re still clearly mad at me, congrats on the Daily Caller gig. I’m really happy for you.

MartiniShark said:
I didn’t say you insisted he do so, he called for proof because no none else in the media felt driven to rely on any proof. Considering the testimony was people were chanting the N-word towards Congressman Lewis it stands to reason that video or audio of such would exist, especially since those walking with Lewis were recording what was happening. The lack of that evidence is pretty explanatory. Brietbat failing to disprove it does not excuse the charges being reported without merit.

That’s the fallacy in question, that the testimony of 3 named, credible eyewitnesses is somehow not enough to report on it. Every news organization routinely reports stories with a single, anonymous source, so this is a ridiculous standard. So is insisting that lack of video is proof it didn’t happen. My video demonstrates that even those tiny, cherry-picked clips are proof of nothing.

I’m not mad at you, Tommy. I’m just disappointed you can’t prove you’re not a racist.

Tommy Christopher said:
So’s your face.

What? LOL…that’s doesn’t ake any sense. So dud calls you a racist and your reply is “So’s your face.” WTF?

Tommy Christopher said:
My video demonstrates that even those tiny, cherry-picked clips are proof of nothing.

You got that right…proof of nothing. There certainly isn’t any proof that it was said. Oh wait…3 people with a vested interest in taring a group as racist say, without any evidence, that the “N-Word” was thrown around. Huh…yeah…sure dude. There is no evidence that it was used.

Tommy Christopher said:
That’s the fallacy in question, that the testimony of 3 named, credible eyewitnesses is somehow not enough to report on it. Every news organization routinely reports stories with a single, anonymous source, so this is a ridiculous standard. So is insisting that lack of video is proof it didn’t happen. My video demonstrates that even those tiny, cherry-picked clips are proof of nothing.

Except there is a major flaw in that explanation: There were dozens, and maybe hundreds, gathered around that walking event and they were claiming that no slurs were being shouted. That was what led to the call for video evidence. I’m sure you will pull Lewis’s record as a trump card, but there is also the matter of the ideological motivations of that day. Why did the Congressional leaders have Lewis and other CBC members march through the tea-party that day? The prospect is there that they were hoping to stage a racial conflict and undermine the tea-party members, so there could be motivation behind the testimony .

Jim Treacher said:
I’m not mad at you, Tommy. I’m just disappointed you can’t prove you’re not a racist.

Not to mention that he can’t prove he’s not a paedophile and a Chinese spy.

Tommy Christopher said:
That’s the fallacy in question, that the testimony of 3 named, credible eyewitnesses is somehow not enough to report on it. Every news organization routinely reports stories with a single, anonymous source, so this is a ridiculous standard. So is insisting that lack of video is proof it didn’t happen. My video demonstrates that even those tiny, cherry-picked clips are proof of nothing.

But but but but….. the many good folks who witnessed voter intimidation by the NBPP were ignored. Lying liars are STILL ‘reporting’ that there was ‘no evidence’ of voter intimidation. The one ex-military guy on video and his sworn testimony before the USCOCR doesn’t count, I suppose, because he went ahead and voted anyway.

You could say that he wasn’t ‘technically’ intimidated…. HE might even say that he wasn’t intimidated by the man in full military garb slapping a nightstick in his palm spewing racist rhetoric as he brushed past him….

I would say IF that guy truly wasn’t intimidated, it sure as hell wasn’t because those Black Panthers weren’t giving it their best effort.

Chew on that.

It’s Saturday, August 7, 2010, and Andrew Not So Breitbart is and remains a proven liar.

Tommy claims that he has three eye-witnesses who say they heard the ‘n’ word screamed at them 15 times. But he conveniently ignores that this testimony is directly contradicted by at least hundreds of other eyewitnesses who were ALSO THERE and say that is not what was said.
Furthermore, the alleged eyewitness testimony is from three politicians who have a vested interest in smearing the Tea Party.
In addition, hundreds of people recorded footage of that event (ncluding people with the three eyewitnesses Tommy prefers to believe regardless of any evidence because they support his own bias), much of which we have seen, contradicts that testimony.
Furthermore, a hundred thousand dollar reward has been offered for any footage which would support the testimony of an alleged three eyewitnesses who are chary about when and where they make that claim, and nobody has been able to collect that reward.

And we are supposed to be believe it because, well, Tommy hates the Tea Party, Cobra says it happened in D.C. and George Washington owned slaves 225 years ago, so it’s obviously true.

I think Treacher must be right. Tommy is a racist.

Charlie Martin said:
Not to mention that he can’t prove he’s not a paedophile and a Chinese spy.

Sure, might as well throw those in there. After all, the accusation is the proof.

Tommy Christopher said:
That’s the fallacy in question, that the testimony of 3 named, credible eyewitnesses is somehow not enough to report on it. Every news organization routinely reports stories with a single, anonymous source, so this is a ridiculous standard. So is insisting that lack of video is proof it didn’t happen. My video demonstrates that even those tiny, cherry-picked clips are proof of nothing.

“So is insisting that lack of video is proof it didn’t happen”….Hmmmm

But but but…. there was no ‘lack of video’. In fact there was AN ABUNDANCE of video.

And like timzank said above, the fact that Pelosi’s fishing expedition yielded nothing should be the story here. They set out through that crowd for one reason… and doesn’t it just show their own shitty attitude about patriotic Americans that they would parade through them like that, Pelosi with here shit-eating grin and sledge-hammer in hand.

And when they didn’t get what thet went after….WHAT THEY WERE SURE WOULD BE IN ABUNDANT SUPPLY…. they went ahead and fabricated it.

And Cobra….this is exactly the kind of crap that we all could do without…

” That angry White mob outside of the capital was in a whipped up fury”
__________

That Tea Party Rally was exemplary of peaceful dissent that MLK would be proud of. Those American citizens were (and still are) upset about THE FACT that our ‘representative’ Gov’t is ignoring the will of the people. They WERE (and still are) angry and they were white but THEY MOST CERTAINLY WERE NOT A MOB.

Check your rhetoric por favor.

Tommy Christopher should be ashamed of himself for this. Yeah, we get it. You and th left are determined to paint the Tea party as racist. As a child of integration I am sickened by this. The Tea Party is not racist, so move on to some other false narrative.

Rep. John Lewis NEVER SAID HE HEARD THE ‘N’ WORD. He has never addressed this situation soon after it happened. It is easily solved. Rep. Clyburn admitted that he never heard the ‘n’ word. You think with it being said 15 times, he might have. Only his aide claims to have heard it. I wrote and open letter to Rep. John Lewis at the time, and I sent it to him personally as well. He has never responded. Maybe Mr. Christopher can do his JOB, instead of trying to smear innocent people, and ask Rep. Lewis if he heard it or not.

Rep. John Lewis,

I may not agree with you on issues of today, but I know you were a great civil rights leader. I don’t think you would lie about such a thing. So as a man of honor, it is up to you to answer this directly. Did you hear the “N” word shouted at you 15 times, as the aide said?

If you tell me you did, then I will believe it. Until then, you are letting this lie take hold, and that is just wrong. The Tea Party is not about race. It is about liberty. We believe in liberty for all. We celebrate the many black speakers and leaders in the Tea Party movement and would welcome any and all to join us.

I am a child of integration Mr. Lewis. This is important for me to know.

Be the man of honor that I know you are Mr. Lewis.

Tell the truth.

Respectfully,

Kathleen McKinley

http://www.KathleenMcKinley.com

Bill Adkins said:
It’s Saturday, August 7, 2010, and Andrew Not So Breitbart is and remains a proven liar.

Yup… and so does Tommy Christopher.

Who said this Tommy?..

“Give me just one example of someone being accused of racism simply for disagreeing with Obama.”

How many ‘examples’ have I given you so far???

Oh yeah, I found the transcript for one of the ‘examples’ I showed you yesterday.. THANKS btw for your help with that …..NOT!

Check this out and tell me more about your perception of the ‘truth’ and ‘proof’……

http://www6.lexisnexis.com/publisher/EndUser?Action=UserDisplayFullDocument&orgId=574&topicId=100007214&docId=l:1236130446&isRss=true

If a cousin’s sister-in-law to the aide of a black Congressman said that an alien from outerspace came to his house wearing a tea-party shirt and called him the “n” word, Tommy and the rest of the left-wing media would report is as absolute fact. Then, they’d somehow blame Glenn Beck & Sarah Palin for it. That’s the media world we live in.

Nobody is calling John Lewis a liar. They can’t because Lewis himself never said he heard people yelling the N-Word.

lane said:
Proving something never happened is almost impossible. What Breitbart can only do is show that Lewis’ claim is highly unlikely, which he clearly does to any logical and unbiased person. The claim is that the word was repleatedly used, and that he was spit on. No spitting, clearly. So much video, so much video taken, no one claiming th $100K, and a ‘reasonable’ person concludes it’s likely untrue. The true story is if you expect to be attacked, you see it even if it’s not there. Good job for Breitbart for trying to prove a negative.

Here we go again:

Apparently, there’s no such thing on THIS BLOG as an “unbiased person.” After the EDITED ACORN Pimp videos and the EDITED Shirley Sherrod video, we’re supposed to take this video presented by Andrew Breitbart as the full, unedited, unretouched, unquestionable, unexpurgated, undoctored, unvarnished gospel truth and the sum total of ALL RECORDED VIDEO of the Capital incidents that day?

???
Who is Andrew Breitbart that I should believe that?

Kathleen McKinley said:
Tommy Christopher should be ashamed of himself for this. Yeah, we get it. You and th left are determined to paint the Tea party as racist. As a child of integration I am sickened by this. The Tea Party is not racist, so move on to some other false narrative. Rep. John Lewis NEVER SAID HE HEARD THE ‘N’ WORD. He has never addressed this situation soon after it happened. It is easily solved. Rep. Clyburn admitted that he never heard the ‘n’ word. You think with it being said 15 times, he might have. Only his aide claims to have heard it. I wrote and open letter to Rep. John Lewis at the time, and I sent it to him personally as well. He has never responded. Maybe Mr. Christopher can do his JOB, instead of trying to smear innocent people, and ask Rep. Lewis if he heard it or not. Rep. John Lewis, I may not agree with you on issues of today, but I know you were a great civil rights leader. I don’t think you would lie about such a thing. So as a man of honor, it is up to you to answer this directly. Did you hear the “N” word shouted at you 15 times, as the aide said? If you tell me you did, then I will believe it. Until then, you are letting this lie take hold, and that is just wrong. The Tea Party is not about race. It is about liberty. We believe in liberty for all. We celebrate the many black speakers and leaders in the Tea Party movement and would welcome any and all to join us. I am a child of integration Mr. Lewis. This is important for me to know. Be the man of honor that I know you are Mr. Lewis. Tell the truth. Respectfully, Kathleen McKinley http://www.KathleenMcKinley.com

Kathleen, meet Congressman Emanuel Cleaver II:

“Congressman Emanuel Cleaver, II is currently serving his third term representing the Fifth District of Missouri in the House of Representatives and sits on the exclusive Financial Services Committee, Homeland Security Committee and the Speaker’s Select Committee on Energy Independence and Global Warming.

Congressman Cleaver and his wife, Dianne, have been married for more than thirty years, where they have made Kansas City their home. They have four grown children and three grandchildren.”

And the news account from McClatchy:

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/03/20/90772/rep-john-lewis-charges-protesters.html

So what we have right here, Kathleen, and is a revered civil rights icon in John Lewis, and an ordained pastor of a Methodist Church, Cleaver on one side, and White conservative activists like Andrew Breitbart on the other.
As a conscious African-American alive for over 40 years, do you THINK this is a difficult judgement call for me? Do you THINK that all of a sudden in 2010, angry White conservatives have BANNISHED that word and other racial epithets from their vocabulary? That you don’t hear that language in bars, stadiums, arenas, or in the backwoods of this country?

As a conscious African-American, Kathleen, are you telling me that I shouldn’t believe my own eyes when I see the “Obama Witch-doctor” signs, and “Obama-watermelon” stuff. And your so-called “Tea Party?”—LOL,
Who are the Tea Partyers?”

“Turns out that the “tea party” movement sweeping the nation is disproportionately composed of individuals who have higher-than-average incomes. It’s also disproportionately composed of men. And disproportionately composed of white people. And disproportionately composed of self-identified conservatives. And disproportionately composed of self-identified Republicans. “

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/289821

Hello? Kathleen, do I have to remind you about the history of White Conservatives in regards to race, gender and ethnicity in America, particularly where Civil Rights are concerned? You DO know which side this group tended to be on in regards to justice for those who weren’t White/Male/Rich, right?
In your letter to John Lewis, are you going to also request copies of the x-rays of his fractured skull? Because in order for you to believe that a Klansman actually cracked him over the head during the Civil Rights movement, you’d need to PERSONALLY see the medical records, right?

Is that where you are on the history and REALITY of race in America, Kathleen?

FearMonger said:
“So is insisting that lack of video is proof it didn’t happen”….Hmmmm But but but…. there was no ‘lack of video’. In fact there was AN ABUNDANCE of video. And like timzank said above, the fact that Pelosi’s fishing expedition yielded nothing should be the story here. They set out through that crowd for one reason… and doesn’t it just show their own shitty attitude about patriotic Americans that they would parade through them like that, Pelosi with here shit-eating grin and sledge-hammer in hand. And when they didn’t get what thet went after….WHAT THEY WERE SURE WOULD BE IN ABUNDANT SUPPLY…. they went ahead and fabricated it. And Cobra….this is exactly the kind of crap that we all could do without… ” That angry White mob outside of the capital was in a whipped up fury”__________ That Tea Party Rally was exemplary of peaceful dissent that MLK would be proud of. Those American citizens were (and still are) upset about THE FACT that our ‘representative’ Gov’t is ignoring the will of the people. They WERE (and still are) angry and they were white but THEY MOST CERTAINLY WERE NOT A MOB. Check your rhetoric por favor.

Fear Monger,

They were CERTAINLY a MOB. You can try to spin whatever you like about discerning words, and lip-synching epithets, but I’d surmise that the REAL reason you can’t hear individual racist taunts and shouts is because you have hundreds of angry MOSTLY WHITE (video is GOD, right Fear Monger?) people screaming “Kill the Bill!” at the top of their lungs. That’s MOB behavior.

mob n. A large disorderly crowd or throng.

As far as saying Martin Luther King would SUPPORT a predominantly White conservative Tea Party movement bent on denying health care to all Americans, (African-Americans have a DISPROPORTIONATE lack of access to health care), I saw the videos as well….

I didn’t see any attack dogs.
I didn’t see any firehoses.
I didn’t see any tear gas.
I didn’t see any Police beating down protesters with clubs.

I didn’t see ANY of the crowd intimidation tactics used by White Conservatives like Bull Connor on the MLK era protestors.

You need to drop these comparisons.

MartiniShark said:
Except there is a major flaw in that explanation: There were dozens, and maybe hundreds, gathered around that walking event and they were claiming that no slurs were being shouted. That was what led to the call for video evidence. I’m sure you will pull Lewis’s record as a trump card, but there is also the matter of the ideological motivations of that day. Why did the Congressional leaders have Lewis and other CBC members march through the tea-party that day? The prospect is there that they were hoping to stage a racial conflict and undermine the tea-party members, so there could be motivation behind the testimony .

What…you’re saying that the Congressional Black Caucus provided SCRIPTS to the predominantly White Conservative Tea Partyers to behave this way with the world watching?

–Cobra

The more the word “racist” is thrown around the better. Most white people are fed up with media elites wagging their fingers in their faces telling them what bad people they are. So keep using it, lefties.

Hey Cobra…

“They were CERTAINLY a MOB. You can try to spin whatever you like about discerning words, and lip-synching epithets, but I’d surmise that the REAL reason you can’t hear individual racist taunts and shouts is because you have hundreds of angry MOSTLY WHITE (video is GOD, right Fear Monger?) people screaming “Kill the Bill!” at the top of their lungs. That’s MOB behavior.”

You posted the definition…..

“mob n. A large disorderly crowd or throng.”

So tell me Cobra. what was ‘disorderly’ about that crowd? Nobody was arrested, they were all in sync, and nobody threw anything except words. THAT, my friend, is COMPLETE ‘order’. Just because they were LOUD doesn’t make them a ‘MOB’.

Get that many libs together and you’ll see ‘DISORDER’.

bts….NOBODY in this Great Country is ‘denied’ health care. Even illegal aliens get access to the bst HC in the world. And your precious HC BIll still doesn’t even provide health INSURANCE for all Americans…. which was supposed to be the point.

Check your rhetoric.

Are GOTeas really that dim?

Do they actually not realize what type of microphone would be required to produce audio evidence of what a few individuals in a crowd of a few thousand said as congress persons were passing within earshot.

By Breitbart’s & the Teahadists logic, if Zapruder had not been filming on the day of the Kennedy assasination, JFK could not possibly be assassinated.

Absence of evidence is not evidence, and Breitbart’s ludicrous claim is classic argumentum ad ignorantiam.

The Breitbart “proof” is a logical fallacy that asserts his claims are true merely because it has not been proven.

Fail

But let’s focus on the credibility of one particular witness, John Lewis.”

Lewis is a liar and a race-baiter. This is the same clown who said McCain was running his campaign like George Wallace.

Even the WH blasted him for that card playing travesty and then he pulled it again at this rally.

It doesn’t say the epithets never happened,”

It doesn’t say the epithets DID happen either, TC.

John Lewis is a hero of the Civil Rights movement who suffered many beatings by white racists, including a skull fracture at the hands of Alabama State Police during the 1965 march on Selma.”

And it shows- he is a lying dullard.

Tommy Christopher said:
Well, since it’s a well-known fact that you’re always wrong, can I use your accusation as proof?

This is exactly what I was talking about.. It would be truly rare for someone to be ‘ALWAYS WRONG’….. even you Tommy.

It is good that you made public what your idea of a ‘well-know fact’ is, though.

Kinda like the ‘fact’ that nobody get’s called a RACIST simply for disagreeing with Obama, right?

And the ‘fact’ that you admit when you are wrong.

@COBRA

Sending the members of the CBC into the tea-party throng was a clear attempt to stir up a response. I’m not saying they gave out scripts, I’m saying the Dem leadership “knew” if black men walked out there they would get a certain response that fit their preconceptions of the tea party membership. It’s actually a form of prejudice when you look at it.

If you want to get angry how about getting angry at Pelosi sending them out there like pawns, using the CBC as props to “prove” the racism for her own agenda. Funny how that did not happn yet they still went ahead and had that message broadcast regardless.

MartiniShark said:
@COBRA Sending the members of the CBC into the tea-party throng was a clear attempt to stir up a response. I’m not saying they gave out scripts, I’m saying the Dem leadership “knew” if black men walked out there they would get a certain response that fit their preconceptions of the tea party membership. It’s actually a form of prejudice when you look at it. If you want to get angry how about getting angry at Pelosi sending them out there like pawns, using the CBC as props to “prove” the racism for her own agenda. Funny how that did not happn yet they still went ahead and had that message broadcast regardless.

Well put and spot on.

Tommy, your link to an AJC blogger does not quote a single word of anything Lewis ever said. Your 3 eyewitnesses are Emannuel Cleaver and no one else. He says he heard “nigger” 15 times, and the time and place he says it happened is on video from 5 different cameras, none of which record that word. He also says he was spit on, when the fact of the matter is he was a “Say it, don’t spray it” victim. That’s sort of the price of walking through a crowd of people who hate what you’re on your way to do to them.

Who said they were called “nigger”, Tommy? Quote them.

JOURNALISM!

Why hasn’t Lewis done the liberal talk show circuit to reinforce your beliefs. After a long fought battle that the dems won. they thought it would be a great idea to instigate a crowd they knew would be upset. Seems to me nobody bit on the right so something was manufactured. When they can catch Steele and other politicians from some distance you would have expected this would be on audio.

“A couple of weeks before the alleged incident occurred, I was walking across the bridge in Selma, Ala., with John Lewis,” said Pence. “I take at face value what John Lewis said. If John Lewis said he heard it, I believe he’s a man of integrity. And I would denounce those kinds of statements in the strongest possible terms.”

That’s Mike Pence (R-IN), btw. What did John Lewis say? Please, someone quote him.

John Lewis refuses to go on the record with this crap. Because he has integrity.

What did he say, Tommy?

It is a waste of time and is a weapon wielded to battle each other ideologically. Racist this , rasicm that, who cares. Leave you brains at the door and play your media and political games. Every dolt on this board should watch one episode of Lockup We are placed in boxes. It is so easy to hurl the slander than debate the merits.

Pablo said:
That’s Mike Pence (R-IN), btw. What did John Lewis say? Please, someone quote him.

John Lewis refuses to go on the record with this crap. Because he has integrity.

What did he say, Tommy?

I linked it in my article.

There are actually quotes from John Lewis in 2 of the articles I link to. Whoever told you he never said it is using the old Big Lie theory.

FearMonger said:
Hey Cobra…

“They were CERTAINLY a MOB. You can try to spin whatever you like about discerning words, and lip-synching epithets, but I’d surmise that the REAL reason you can’t hear individual racist taunts and shouts is because you have hundreds of angry MOSTLY WHITE (video is GOD, right Fear Monger?) people screaming “Kill the Bill!” at the top of their lungs. That’s MOB behavior.”

You posted the definition…..

“mob n. A large disorderly crowd or throng.”

So tell me Cobra. what was ‘disorderly’ about that crowd? Nobody was arrested, they were all in sync, and nobody threw anything except words. THAT, my friend, is COMPLETE ‘order’. Just because they were LOUD doesn’t make them a ‘MOB’.

Get that many libs together and you’ll see ‘DISORDER’.

bts….NOBODY in this Great Country is ‘denied’ health care. Even illegal aliens get access to the bst HC in the world. And your precious HC BIll still doesn’t even provide health INSURANCE for all Americans…. which was supposed to be the point.

Check your rhetoric.

Riiiiight. You can walk right into the Emergency Room at your local hospital for a checkup, and they can’t “deny” you. Do you have ANY IDEA what that reality has done to the system? Of course, that’s only if there IS a hospital to walk right into:

“Racial discrimination in health care manifests itself in many different ways including:

Disparate Impact of the Intersection of Race and Gender. The unique experiences of minority women have been largely ignored by the health care system. Race discrimination and sex discrimination intersect to magnify the difficulties minority women face in gaining equal access to quality health care.”

http://academic.udayton.edu/health/07HumanRights/WCAR02.htm

And if you get through the discrimination, and actually get some treatment:

“Medical problems caused 62% of all personal bankruptcies filed in the U.S. in 2007, according to a study by Harvard researchers. And in a finding that surprised even the researchers, 78% of those filers had medical insurance at the start of their illness, including 60.3% who had private coverage, not Medicare or Medicaid. “
http://www.businessweek.com/bwdaily/dnflash/content/jun2009/db2009064_666715.htm

But, hey…Fear Monger, are you a member of that “most favored patient” club–White, Male–24 to 44 years old?
If you are, then I can SEE why you LOVE the current system.
It has been the history of White Conservatives in America to try to maintain a status quo designed to benefit White Conservatives the most.

And as far as “disorderly” is concerned, Fear—what dictionary are you reading?

“A typical definition of disorderly conduct defines the offense in these ways:

commits disorderly conduct. . . [1] “

MartiniShark said:
@COBRA

Sending the members of the CBC into the tea-party throng was a clear attempt to stir up a response. I’m not saying they gave out scripts, I’m saying the Dem leadership “knew” if black men walked out there they would get a certain response that fit their preconceptions of the tea party membership. It’s actually a form of prejudice when you look at it.

If you want to get angry how about getting angry at Pelosi sending them out there like pawns, using the CBC as props to “prove” the racism for her own agenda. Funny how that did not happn yet they still went ahead and had that message broadcast regardless.

So Black Congressmen should be shuffled into to the capital via back alleyways and tunnels, because the very APPEARANCE or SIGHT of Black people, especially those with political power, is enough to incite a crowd of angry White Conservatives.

Why, Rep. Lewis and Cleaver were clearly of LWB. Legislating While Black.

gar said:
Why hasn’t Lewis done the liberal talk show circuit to reinforce your beliefs. After a long fought battle that the dems won. they thought it would be a great idea to instigate a crowd they knew would be upset. Seems to me nobody bit on the right so something was manufactured. When they can catch Steele and other politicians from some distance you would have expected this would be on audio.

Why should duly elected members of Congress have to do ANY “talk show” (liberal or otherwise)? I, as a conscious African-American doesn’t need a member of Congress to explain to me that there are angry White Americans who use racial epithets. And I certainly don’t need a member of Congress to explain to me that there are People in America supporting and vouching for the Tea Party Movement that don’t have the best interests of minorities in mind.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yDeNBsD8iRc

But then again, I don’t expect most of the right wingers in here to click on my links, or even read through my posts.

–Cobra

Watch out ! We’re being Breitbarted all over again.

Tommy Christopher said:
Whoever told you he never said it is using the old Big Lie theory.

Wrong. An unnamed “colleague” of Lewis’s was quoted as saying he heard it. This was surrounded by quotes of Lewis talking about people shouting at him. He did not say he heard them shouting the n-word. Just because you’re desperate to believe it doesn’t make it true.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/03/20/90772/rep-john-lewis-charges-protesters.html

Jim Treacher said:
Wrong. An unnamed “colleague” of Lewis’s was quoted as saying he heard it. This was surrounded by quotes of Lewis talking about people shouting at him. He did not say he heard them shouting the n-word. Just because you’re desperate to believe it doesn’t make it true.

http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/03/20/90772/rep-john-lewis-charges-protesters.html

Of course he didn’t say it. That’s why Tommy won’t quote him. What’s funny is him trying to use the Big Lie theory to promote a Big Lie.

Tommy Christopher said:
There are actually quotes from John Lewis in 2 of the articles I link to.

And there are none in your article which purports to defend Lewis’ quote. That’s a hell of a trick, Tommy, proving something that someone never said is true.

Pablo said:
Of course he didn’t say it. That’s why Tommy won’t quote him. What’s funny is him trying to use the Big Lie theory to promote a Big Lie.

There you go again, calling Tommy a Nazi, now? (That’s the way it works, isn’t it? Reference political science/propaganda techniques used by the right wing so very often, that also were used by the Nazis, then obscure the reference by claiming someone called you Nazi). Ok, the Big Lie technique is all about Fox News. Your turn.

Bill, you’re a kook. Please find a shrink, and then maybe a reading tutor.

COBRA When I transferred to Florida many years ago people told me not to live in Miami. This advice came from the liberals in the Northeast , the ones that retire and live as far south as Boca Raton. I moved to Miami and I love it. You show me a thread that talks about the tea party being almost all white. If 97% of all blacks vote democratic and only 2% of all blacks listen to conservative news outlets it stands to reason why this is a fact. I contend what Maddow is suggesting about conservative news trying to scare white people is actually liberal media trying to scare black people.Not only do you try to scare, but if they make the move you emasculate them. You need the votes so the racist game will continue because there’s nothing else you can use to show blacks that your helping. 20% unemployment, 30%in the inner city, 50% for black men in the inner city doesn’t make for great talking pointsdoes it?

ACOBRA So Black Congressmen should be shuffled into to the capital via back alleyways and tunnels, because the very APPEARANCE or SIGHT of Black people, especially those with political power, is enough to incite a crowd of angry White Conservatives.

Don’t contort what I said into a racist screed. That is typical race-baiting, and typical of a shallow brain-pan thought process.

What I was illustrating was how Pelosi staged them to walk through the tea-party throng specifically to get the reaction they were so convinced would take place. If you are truly outraged at racial activities you should be angry that Pelosi would use Lewis – a respected figure in civil rights history – as a racial pawn to forward her agenda. This is because Pelosi and her acolytes are so convinced the tea-party is rooted in racism, and that is their prejudicial mindset. It is also why the narrative of people chanting the N-word is allowed to be forwarded without concrete evidence — they all simply know it occurred, because they knew ahead of time it would occur.

Man, those Members of the United States House of Representatives sure are oppressed. Those private tunnels around the Capitol are like the Underground Railroad.

Pablo said:
Man, those Members of the United States House of Representatives sure are oppressed. Those private tunnels around the Capitol are like the Underground Railroad.

Yup, and that reference to ‘shuffling’ just rips the scabs right off those semi-healed shackle burns….

gar said:
COBRA When I transferred to Florida many years ago people told me not to live in Miami. This advice came from the liberals in the Northeast , the ones that retire and live as far south as Boca Raton. I moved to Miami and I love it. You show me a thread that talks about the tea party being almost all white. If 97% of all blacks vote democratic and only 2% of all blacks listen to conservative news outlets it stands to reason why this is a fact. I contend what Maddow is suggesting about conservative news trying to scare white people is actually liberal media trying to scare black people.Not only do you try to scare, but if they make the move you emasculate them. You need the votes so the racist game will continue because there’s nothing else you can use to show blacks that your helping. 20% unemployment, 30%in the inner city, 50% for black men in the inner city doesn’t make for great talking pointsdoes it?

Alphonso Rachel handles this topic quite nicely. Be sure to check the part starting at the 5:30 mark…. and keep in mind that he posted this video in October 2008.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yvc0tYG_YpA

MartiniShark said:
ACOBRA So Black Congressmen should be shuffled into to the capital via back alleyways and tunnels, because the very APPEARANCE or SIGHT of Black people, especially those with political power, is enough to incite a crowd of angry White Conservatives. Don’t contort what I said into a racist screed. That is typical race-baiting, and typical of a shallow brain-pan thought process. What I was illustrating was how Pelosi staged them to walk through the tea-party throng specifically to get the reaction they were so convinced would take place. If you are truly outraged at racial activities you should be angry that Pelosi would use Lewis – a respected figure in civil rights history – as a racial pawn to forward her agenda. This is because Pelosi and her acolytes are so convinced the tea-party is rooted in racism, and that is their prejudicial mindset. It is also why the narrative of people chanting the N-word is allowed to be forwarded without concrete evidence — they all simply know it occurred, because they knew ahead of time it would occur.

You’re accusing Nancy Pelosi of having duly elected Black Congressmen walk in the front door of the Capital.

They were “Walking While Black” and used the front door.

Your argument is what….again? That the very act of being Black and walking in the front door of the Capital was “staged them to walk through the tea-party throng specifically to get the reaction they were so convinced would take place. ”

???

Martini, could you list what other activities, besides walking and using the front door, I as a Black man should think twice about doing, lest I “get a reaction” from the David Duke/Stormfront.org endorsed Tea Party Movement?

gar said:
COBRA When I transferred to Florida many years ago people told me not to live in Miami. This advice came from the liberals in the Northeast , the ones that retire and live as far south as Boca Raton. I moved to Miami and I love it. You show me a thread that talks about the tea party being almost all white. If 97% of all blacks vote democratic and only 2% of all blacks listen to conservative news outlets it stands to reason why this is a fact. I contend what Maddow is suggesting about conservative news trying to scare white people is actually liberal media trying to scare black people.Not only do you try to scare, but if they make the move you emasculate them. You need the votes so the racist game will continue because there’s nothing else you can use to show blacks that your helping. 20% unemployment, 30%in the inner city, 50% for black men in the inner city doesn’t make for great talking pointsdoes it?

Really? How do you feel about the Cuban population in Florida (837,985) who vote 80% GOP? Or how about that “special” immigration policy, where any Cuban who lands on the shore is granted immediate “wet-feet/dry feet” political refugee status?

Moreover, Gar…Why the HELL should Black people support a White Conservative movement like the Tea Party? What’s the Tea Party platform on Black Unemployment? Answer: THERE IS NONE. In fact, the Tea Party is for less government, which means less restrictions on corporations to outsource jobs overseas. Is that your plan, Gar?

What are you saying? Black people should’ve supported White Conservatives like Ronald Reagan, who campaigned AGAINST the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the Voting Rights Act of 1965 and the Fair Housing Act of 1966? That Black people should fight against health care reform when they have a life expectancy in America SIX YEARS SHORTER than the White Conservatives you want them to support?

Don’t get me wrong…there are a few collaborators out there trying to make a name for themselves as “Black Tea Partyers”, or “Black Conservatives”…because Lord knows Fox News has all two dozen of those folks on speed-dial, but you’re going to seriously sit here and claim that White Conservatives, who have FOUGHT AGAINST MINORITY AND GENDER RIGHTS in America since DAY FLIPPIN’ ONE, are now the best choice for African-Americans?

With a straight face you’re saying that….?

–Cobra

Wow Cobra…. try taking off those race colored glasses sometime. Get yourself some SERENITY. How many times did you use ‘black’ and ‘white’ in your post?

I mean really……. “What’s the Tea Party platform on Black Unemployment?”…. Are you serious?

Good grief man!… take a chill pill.

I have been around and seen a lot, way more than I wished for and I can tell you racism is alive and well now more than ever before. Yes even before Selma, before Mrs Parks, and sadly, you dont have to look farther than the first black person you see. For what ever reason, they must have their victimizing racism. So thank you Rev Jackson, what a joke, Sharpton, bigger joke, these two clowns alone kept it going for years until now they are not needed. Yes Blacks for the most part need that racism, it is their excuse for failing. I thank all you who have risen above all that and see it for what it is, you are credits to America and I know you get trashed by those who call you Uncle Tom and Aunt Jemimas, They will always believe that whitey kept them down and you must have sold out to whitey to have succeeded. Sadly yes, Racism is alive and well.

Tommy is making up stories again….

“John Lewis (D-Ga) and others were “lying” when they claimed…” John Lewis never claimed this…many lib writers claimed he claimed, but he Never claimed what you lib writers claim he claimed…Got It?

“…at least as told by the corroborating testimony of three credible eyewitnesses. In a court of law, that’s called evidence….” In a court of law it is very difficult to get a conviction based on an eye witness along. Their stories tend to change over time. Are they lying? Not necessarily, but they are influenced by reporters like you Tommy, looking for a good left wing slant to a story!

“By all accounts, John Lewis is a hero of the Civil Rights movement who suffered many beatings by white racists”… who disagrees with this?” Man you will do anything to push a made up story.

“one would think that proving him a liar should be a heavy burden to meet” … this is your made up story Tommy…John Lewis never said what you lib’s say he said!

COBRA You need to chill. There’s a large segment of white americans whose ancestors didn’t come from the deep south. Sorry to disappoint you but I don’t toss and turn at night worrying about what I can do to put down the black man .As far as the cubans are concerned I don’t know why they come. Micheal Moore will tell you they got it made there with their great healthcare.They have to make it here in order to stay. Many die and get turned back before they hit shore.Tell me all the great things this administration has done for blacks. If amnesty happens the blacks in the inner city are going to lose jobs they’ve had a stronghold of.Keep listening to the Al Sharptons and Eugene Washingtons that tell you there needs to be more reperations. That will not help the cause.

FearMonger said:
Wow Cobra…. try taking off those race colored glasses sometime. Get yourself some SERENITY. How many times did you use ‘black’ and ‘white’ in your post? I mean really……. “What’s the Tea Party platform on Black Unemployment?”…. Are you serious? Good grief man!… take a chill pill.

Damn straight I’m serious. A poster named Gar comes on this blog and calls ME “emasculinated” for daring not to support White Conservative ideology, and I’m supposed to just take it silently?

Not today, Fear Monger. Take Gar’s further post:

gar said:
COBRA You need to chill. There’s a large segment of white americans whose ancestors didn’t come from the deep south. Sorry to disappoint you but I don’t toss and turn at night worrying about what I can do to put down the black man .As far as the cubans are concerned I don’t know why they come. Micheal Moore will tell you they got it made there with their great healthcare.They have to make it here in order to stay. Many die and get turned back before they hit shore.Tell me all the great things this administration has done for blacks. If amnesty happens the blacks in the inner city are going to lose jobs they’ve had a stronghold of.Keep listening to the Al Sharptons and Eugene Washingtons that tell you there needs to be more reperations. That will not help the cause.

Listen to him…”More reparations”?????

MORE reparations????

African-Americans didn’t get the FIRST REPARATIONS they were SUPPOSED get after slavery: 40 Acres and a US Army Mule.

“40 acres and a mule was a practice in 1865 of providing arable land to Black former slaves who became free as Union armies occupied areas of the Confederacy, especially in Sherman’s March. Maj. Gen. William T. Sherman’s January 16, 1865 Special Field Orders, No. 15[1] provided for the land, and some of the recipients received from the Army mules for use in plowing as well;[2] the combination was widely recognized as providing a sound start for a family farm.

By June 1865, around 10,000 freed slaves were settled on 400,000 acres (160,000 ha) in Georgia and South Carolina. Soon after, President Andrew Johnson reversed the order and returned the land to its white former owners. Because of this, the phrase has come to represent the failure of Reconstruction and the general public to return to African Americans the fruit of their labors.”

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/40_acres_and_a_mule

Gar, if you’re gonna run down black people, at least learn some American history first, because you’ll find that almost during the same time period, the Homestead Act of 1862 GAVE AWAY a land area the size of Texas and California combined for FREE to any American who could make it out there….PREDOMINANTLY, OVERWHELMINGLY WHITE Americans.
Who REALLY received “land reparations”, Gar? Whites in America or Blacks? Or does that upset your “attack Black” narrative too much for you to comment on?

You say I need to “chill?” FearMonger says I need to take a “chill pill?”

You’re both in here shilling for Andrew Breitbart’s minstrel shows and the DavidDuke/Stormfront.org endorsed Tea Party Movement and I’M the one who needs to “chill out?”

….
If you’re seeking PRAISE for bashing Blacks and minorities, I recommend Hot Air, RedState, FoxNation or Stormfront.

Ed Durffee said:
I have been around and seen a lot, way more than I wished for and I can tell you racism is alive and well now more than ever before. Yes even before Selma, before Mrs Parks, and sadly, you dont have to look farther than the first black person you see. For what ever reason, they must have their victimizing racism. So thank you Rev Jackson, what a joke, Sharpton, bigger joke, these two clowns alone kept it going for years until now they are not needed. Yes Blacks for the most part need that racism, it is their excuse for failing. I thank all you who have risen above all that and see it for what it is, you are credits to America and I know you get trashed by those who call you Uncle Tom and Aunt Jemimas, They will always believe that whitey kept them down and you must have sold out to whitey to have succeeded. Sadly yes, Racism is alive and well.

Case in point….

–Cobra

Cobra said:
Your argument is what….again? That the very act of being Black and walking in the front door of the Capital was “staged them to walk through the tea-party throng specifically to get the reaction they were so convinced would take place. ”

Yeah, I think that covers it. Through the crowd and in the front door. And strangely enough, that story was on the wire very, very shortly after its first telling.

Do you really think these guys take those steps when there are no cameras around? Hell no. They take the nice private elevators to the nice air conditioned tunnels, some of which include little trams, and they get where they’re going without having to worry about any of the rabble they might run into. And it wasn’t just Black Congresscritters.

@COBRA

I feel so deprived that I do not initially judge peoople or situations on the racial components, but that’s my flaw. If your version of events – those meek congreesional members simply walking to work one day near harassing tea-partiers – is so true, then how come the Divine Ms. Pelosi was not walking alongside Congressman Lewis and his other CBC members? They were staged like pawns to walk by the throng, hoping to provoke a reaction. Why were members of their group filming the crowds as they walked by, if they were simply going to work that day? That whole scene was staged. Want proof? Go stand by the Capital Building this week and tell me how many stroll through the front door like they did on that day. I doubt Nancy will be available for an autograph.

Pablo said:
Yeah, I think that covers it. Through the crowd and in the front door. And strangely enough, that story was on the wire very, very shortly after its first telling.
Do you really think these guys take those steps when there are no cameras around? Hell no. They take the nice private elevators to the nice air conditioned tunnels, some of which include little trams, and they get where they’re going without having to worry about any of the rabble they might run into. And it wasn’t just Black Congresscritters.

“Black Congresscritters”, huh?

Is that all you got, Pablo? You’re not insisting that those “Black Congresscritters” take “separate” elevators or ride in the BACK of those “little trams?”

If you’re going to help out the newest rock star among Tea Partyers in his bid for the Presidency, you need your A game, sir.

“David Duke is launching a Duke for President exploratory committee, and will soon start a year long tour across America from his home base in Mandeville, LA. He plans to speak in every state and gauge the political response to his possible entry into the race for the Republican nomination.

He believes that he has the support of the rank and file Tea Party Movement just as he had support of both the Republican conservative vote and Democratic hard hat vote in Louisiana. Over the past few weeks, since the release of his, “David Duke Speaks to the Tea Party” video, thousands of Tea Party activists have urged him to run for President.”

http://www.davidduke.com/general/will-dr-david-duke-run-for-u-s-president_17873.html

–Cobra

Cobra said:
Is that all you got, Pablo? You’re not insisting that those “Black Congresscritters” take “separate” elevators or ride in the BACK of those “little trams?”

No, I’m telling you what they do, along with the white ones. The only people in a position to do any insisting are the Capitol Police. I asked you a question. I think you ought to answer it before you ask more questions, or post utterly irrelevant David Duke tripe. Here it is again: Do you really think these guys take those steps when there are no cameras around?

MartiniShark said:
@COBRA I feel so deprived that I do not initially judge peoople or situations on the racial components, but that’s my flaw. If your version of events – those meek congreesional members simply walking to work one day near harassing tea-partiers – is so true, then how come the Divine Ms. Pelosi was not walking alongside Congressman Lewis and his other CBC members? They were staged like pawns to walk by the throng, hoping to provoke a reaction. Why were members of their group filming the crowds as they walked by, if they were simply going to work that day? That whole scene was staged. Want proof? Go stand by the Capital Building this week and tell me how many stroll through the front door like they did on that day. I doubt Nancy will be available for an autograph.

Uh huh.

‘WASHINGTON — Angry demonstrators opposed to health reform legislation gathered outside the Capitol on Sunday, hours before a climactic vote on Democrats’ overhaul of the nation’s health care system .

Police arrested two people in the House gallery Sunday after they yelled during a debate session on the bill. Disruptions are banned in the chamber. Several Republican lawmakers stood up and cheered during the interruption.”

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35965961/

Now, are you attending any of the David Duke 2012 exploratory speeches? Who knows? You might run into some of the blog posters from here.

–Cobra

Cobra is just your everyday racist who blames his failures on everyone and everything except his own inability to succeed in the world.

notsofast said:
Cobra is just your everyday racist who blames his failures on everyone and everything except his own inability to succeed in the world.

Martini, what’s the odds you’d catch notsofast at one of those Duke for President rallies?

Pablo said:
No, I’m telling you what they do, along with the white ones. The only people in a position to do any insisting are the Capitol Police. I asked you a question. I think you ought to answer it before you ask more questions, or post utterly irrelevant David Duke tripe. Here it is again: Do you really think these guys take those steps when there are no cameras around?

“utterly irrelevant David Duke tripe?”

It’s absolutely relevant. People like you and other right wingers are scoffing at even the POSSIBILITY that a few folks in a mob of angry White Tea Partyers could EVER use a racial epithet, while an ex-Grand Wizard/Neo Nazi David Duke has “thousands of Tea Party activists” urging him to run for President?

Sorry, Pablo. It’s YOUR Tea Party. Cry if you want to.

–Cobra

@Cobra. …

“Damn straight I’m serious. A poster named Gar comes on this blog and calls ME “emasculinated” for daring not to support White Conservative ideology, and I’m supposed to just take it silently?”

Dude… take a deep breath, put your machismo back in your pocket, and go back and read Gar’s post again. I thought he was talking about the fact that all too often, black conservatives are labeled ‘Uncle Toms’ and ‘sellouts’ etc…. You yourself insulted them right here on this thread …’collaborators’ and such, so you helped him make the point.

Because a person believs in conservative principals and just happens to be black they deserve all that shit? That’s racism bro. Call it what it is.

Perhaps you are referring to another occasion where Gar used the word ‘emasculate’ but… if it’s earlier in this thread when he said this….

” I contend what Maddow is suggesting about conservative news trying to scare white people is actually liberal media trying to scare black people.Not only do you try to scare, but if they make the move you emasculate them”

Do you see now? He was saying that the good folks that you call ‘collaborators’ get emasculated by the liberal media and others who only see things through race colored glasses.

You’ve already made it clear that you believe the Tea Party is racist….endorsed by David Duke etc etc. Does that mean that you also believe the NAACP is racist because they are endorsed by the NBPP?

btw….I was wondering if you’d be interested in answering the question I posed to Ted earlier on another thread….

“Please tell me the REAL reason why….in your honest opinion…. us ‘tea-bagging morons’ so strenuously disagree with President Obama.”

Cobra said:
Martini, what’s the odds you’d catch notsofast at one of those Duke for President rallies? “utterly irrelevant David Duke tripe?” It’s absolutely relevant. People like you and other right wingers are scoffing at even the POSSIBILITY that a few folks in a mob of angry White Tea Partyers could EVER use a racial epithet, while an ex-Grand Wizard/Neo Nazi David Duke has “thousands of Tea Party activists” urging him to run for President? Sorry, Pablo. It’s YOUR Tea Party. Cry if you want to. –Cobra

You know what the problem is Cobra? I can count on one hand the number of liberals who I have encountered who are truly FAIR AND EVEN-HANDED. Perhaps a couple of dozen who weren’t COMPLETE HYPOCRITES. The rest are totally OK with double-standards and one-say streets…. ESPECIALLY WHEN IT COMES TO RACE.

Hopefully you will surprise me and tell the truth about the NAACP. Then I will have some hope that a real debate is possible with you.

btw.. I simply defend against the accusation the “THE TEA PARTY IS RACIST” because it is bullshit. Just as I would not normally say ‘The NAACP is racist” besides just to point out the hypocrisy. Of course there are a few on the fringe of any group who are undesirable. Nobody should be casting stones.. including you Cobra.

David Duke/ Breitbart/ Mickey Mouse ain’t got shit to do with it. Check your rhetoric bro. The only one here attaching race labels is you.

Cobra said:
People like you and other right wingers are scoffing at even the POSSIBILITY that a few folks in a mob of angry White Tea Partyers could EVER use a racial epithet, while an ex-Grand Wizard/Neo Nazi David Duke has “thousands of Tea Party activists” urging him to run for President?

According to David Duke. Like this:

He believes that he has the support of the rank and file Tea Party Movement just as he had support of both the Republican conservative vote and Democratic hard hat vote in Louisiana.

How’d that support work out for him?

@COBRA

You are such a stunted, self-hating, rage-filled neanderthal incapable of critical thought; but this one last time I will try to appeal to a glimmer of common sence in the swirling cloud of contempt that comprises your brain….

Ya ready? WATCH THE DAMNED VIDEO!!!!! Pelosi is NOWERE around Lewis as he is walking in the video, where the racial slurs were said to occur! Now since I base my views on that evidence you brand me in the same class as David Duke – that alone illustrates how you are incapable of rational discourse. Everything with you is approached one – and only one – way; anyone taking an opinion that differs from you is a racist. Brilliant.

Imagine all that energy you will save from not having to conjure an original thought, or all that needless contemplation trying to formulate a cogent piece of contemplative reasoning. Your stop-gap mentality must spare you from headaches.

I see that Cobra isn’t going to answer my question about what happens on Capitol Hill, preferring instead to do the important work of rooting around David Duke’s cesspool of a website.

And Tommy is STILL not going to quote John Lewis, preferring to do the important work of pretending that he has.

I encourage anyone reading these comments to read the linked material, rather than rely on the descriptions given by some in this thread. Incredible.

COBRA Must of hit a nerve. While your looking backwoods in time with the history lessons the liberal elitists are looking forward to the future. What are the demographics going to look like and who is going to be their voting block. Since it’ll be hispanics we’ll see who takes the hit but if I was you I’d watch my back.. BTW It’s Eugene Washington on Mathews show that said in his mind black reperations haven’t been met. Maybe you should look how the media and challenged racists like you attack blacks in the tea party.Keep using MSNBC for the links, that will only reinforce my beliefs. After amnesty happens we’ll talk about what happens to blacks in the inner cities. Sharpton knows but the payoff was too good to stop him from twisting the knife into his brothers and sisters to protect his BROWN brothers in Arizona.What a fucking joke.

Tommy why don’t you stay out of this.Cobra can stand up for himself. He doesn’t need you to make him look like a bigger idiot.Go back to work and find a new race story.

Tommy Christopher said:
I encourage anyone reading these comments to read the linked material, rather than rely on the descriptions given by some in this thread. Incredible.

I encourage you to quote John Lewis.

JOURNALISM!

FearMonger said:
@Cobra. …

“Damn straight I’m serious. A poster named Gar comes on this blog and calls ME “emasculinated” for daring not to support White Conservative ideology, and I’m supposed to just take it silently?”

Dude… take a deep breath, put your machismo back in your pocket, and go back and read Gar’s post again. I thought he was talking about the fact that all too often, black conservatives are labeled ‘Uncle Toms’ and ’sellouts’ etc…. You yourself insulted them right here on this thread …’collaborators’ and such, so you helped him make the point.

Because a person believs in conservative principals and just happens to be black they deserve all that shit? That’s racism bro. Call it what it is.

Perhaps you are referring to another occasion where Gar used the word ‘emasculate’ but… if it’s earlier in this thread when he said this….

” I contend what Maddow is suggesting about conservative news trying to scare white people is actually liberal media trying to scare black people.Not only do you try to scare, but if they make the move you emasculate them”

Do you see now? He was saying that the good folks that you call ‘collaborators’ get emasculated by the liberal media and others who only see things through race colored glasses.

You’ve already made it clear that you believe the Tea Party is racist….endorsed by David Duke etc etc. Does that mean that you also believe the NAACP is racist because they are endorsed by the NBPP?

btw….I was wondering if you’d be interested in answering the question I posed to Ted earlier on another thread….

“Please tell me the REAL reason why….in your honest opinion…. us ‘tea-bagging morons’ so strenuously disagree with President Obama.”

No.No.NO. People like Gar only have two default positions for minorities. Agreeing with White Conservatives, or being a “Problem”. There is no other ground.

If you “collaborate” with somebody, you are a “collaborator.” Why is that so difficult to understand, FearMonger?
“Make the move” to what? Are you going to sit here and defend Gar’s posts line by line on Amnesty (remember, the last President to award Amnesty to millions of illegals was Ronald Reagan), Reparations?

Do you feel compelled to come to the defense of ANY conservative on this blog?

And if you want a simple answer to the question you asked Ted about the Tea Party being strenuously anti-Obama:

“Several polls are now out, assessing the demographics of the Tea Party Movement that largely agree the majority of its members are Republican, largely white, above the mean in age and income and voted for John McCain. “

http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/289821

And you DO remember those McCain rally folks, right Fear?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=itEucdhf4Us

And here?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fieGfc6DL7k&feature=related

I didn’t see these on Fox News….Breitbart must’ve missed these tapes…

Pablo said:
I see that Cobra isn’t going to answer my question about what happens on Capitol Hill, preferring instead to do the important work of rooting around David Duke’s cesspool of a website.

Congressmen have the right to walk down the street, and up the Capitol Stairs. Even Black ones. And you call David Duke’s website a “cesspool”…tell me what policy differences you have between yourself and David Duke on the major subjects debated on this blog.
I bet it’s a challenge.

Pablo said:
According to David Duke. Like this:

How’d that support work out for him?

David Duke won the seat in the Louisiana State Legislature in 1989.
When he ran for governor of Louisiana in 1991 against Edwin Edwards…
“Edwards received 1,057,031 votes (61.2%). Duke’s 671,009 votes represented 38.8% of the total. Duke claimed victory, saying: “I won my constituency. I won 55% of the white vote.” Exit polls confirmed that he had.”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/David_Duke

55% of the White Vote, Pablo….and Tea Party support for Duke TODAY…and you can’t believe that somebody in that crowd outside the Capitol yelled out a racial epithet?

Really?

gar said:
COBRA Must of hit a nerve. While your looking backwoods in time with the history lessons the liberal elitists are looking forward to the future. What are the demographics going to look like and who is going to be their voting block. Since it’ll be hispanics we’ll see who takes the hit but if I was you I’d watch my back.. BTW It’s Eugene Washington on Mathews show that said in his mind black reperations haven’t been met. Maybe you should look how the media and challenged racists like you attack blacks in the tea party.Keep using MSNBC for the links, that will only reinforce my beliefs. After amnesty happens we’ll talk about what happens to blacks in the inner cities. Sharpton knows but the payoff was too good to stop him from twisting the knife into his brothers and sisters to protect his BROWN brothers in Arizona.What a fucking joke.

As I posted above on this thread, and you’ve yet to respond to…Black Reparations, the 40 Acres and Mule which was APPROVED BY CONGRESS was NEVER MET. Eugene Washington is CORRECT. That’s an historical FACT.

Amnesty already happened under RONALD REAGAN, remember?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0_zNR53k5Lg

And all you’ve got left is to attack…Al Sharpton?

Al Sharpton? That’s all you’ve got? What’s he been elected to?

–Cobra

Cobra said:
Congressmen have the right to walk down the street, and up the Capitol Stairs. Even Black ones.

Yes, and they also have the right to juggle kumquats while they’re doing so, but the don’t do it. That wasn’t the question, nor is it an answer to my question. If you’d like to try again, feel free.

As for your Duke link:

Duke has also unsuccessfully run for the Louisiana State Senate, U.S. Senate, U.S. House of Representatives, and Governor of Louisiana.

A real political fireball, that one. I wonder if he knows Rev. Moon. You and valkyrie can save America!

These threads are a joke. Let’s find a crackpot and compare the whole movement to him. No stretch there. I’m for immigration reform but against amnesty. I was just pointing out some ramifications of amnesty.It didn’t work last time BTW WHAT IS THIS ADMINISTRATIONS IMMIGRATION PLAN? COBRA, WHO IS THE LEADING SPOKESMAN FOR BLACKS? Seems like Sharpton has taken on that role with all the media outlets he’s been on lately.WHAT REPERATIONS ARE YOU LOOKING FOR because I don’t think we have that many mules, asses yes, mules no.

gar said:
These threads are a joke. Let’s find a crackpot and compare the whole movement to him. No stretch there. I’m for immigration reform but against amnesty. I was just pointing out some ramifications of amnesty.It didn’t work last time BTW WHAT IS THIS ADMINISTRATIONS IMMIGRATION PLAN? COBRA, WHO IS THE LEADING SPOKESMAN FOR BLACKS? Seems like Sharpton has taken on that role with all the media outlets he’s been on lately.WHAT REPERATIONS ARE YOU LOOKING FOR because I don’t think we have that many mules, asses yes, mules no.

Last time I checked, nobody elected Al Sharpton to be “spokesman for Blacks”. That media outlets CALL Al Sharpton and have him appear on THEIR programming is testiment to what….in your opinion?

Pablo said:
Yes, and they also have the right to juggle kumquats while they’re doing so, but the don’t do it. That wasn’t the question, nor is it an answer to my question. If you’d like to try again, feel free.

As for your Duke link:

A real political fireball, that one. I wonder if he knows Rev. Moon. You and valkyrie can save America!

David Duke got 55% of the White Vote, Pablo. That’s a fact.
McCain/Palin Rally folks…the heart of the Tea Party Movement—you’ve already seen and heard what they’re about.

But you need more, don’t you?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y2tON2RkTqM

–Cobra

Tommy Christopher said:
I encourage anyone reading these comments to read the linked material, rather than rely on the descriptions given by some in this thread. Incredible.

From the McClatchy piece (http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/03/20/90772/rep-john-lewis-charges-protesters.html). Emphasis mine:

“They were shouting, sort of harassing,” Lewis said. “But, it’s okay, I’ve faced this before. It reminded me of the 60s. It was a lot of downright hate and anger and people being downright mean.”

Lewis said he was leaving the Cannon office building to walk to the Capitol to vote when protesters shouted “Kill the bill, kill the bill,” Lewis said.

“I said ‘I’m for the bill, I support the bill, I’m voting for the bill’,” Lewis said.

A colleague who was accompanying Lewis said people in the crowd responded by saying “Kill the bill, then the n-word.”

“It surprised me that people are so mean and we can’t engage in a civil dialogue and debate,” Lewis said.

See what the McClatchy reporter did there? Tommy doesn’t.

You’re still not going to answer my question, Cobra?

Jim Treacher said:
From the McClatchy piece (http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/03/20/90772/rep-john-lewis-charges-protesters.html). Emphasis mine: See what the McClatchy reporter did there? Tommy doesn’t.

No surprise there JT.

@ Cobra….

“No.No.NO. People like Gar only have two default positions for minorities. Agreeing with White Conservatives, or being a “Problem”. There is no other ground.

If you “collaborate” with somebody, you are a “collaborator.” Why is that so difficult to understand, FearMonger?”
___________

Dang dude…Obtuse much? Did you see the point about who is ‘emasculated’ or not? Cuz it sure as hell looks like you went straight to your fallback position of RACIST RACIST RACIST. Gar was saying that Maddow/ the media/ libs ‘emasculate’ black conservatives…. NOT pissed off race-baiting liberals. You had it bass-ackwards, Get it?

But keep clinging to your hate…. “People like Gar…..”. Yeah. We know…..”Republican, largely white, above the mean in age and income and voted for John McCain”. …. Tea Party people….

in other words, RACISTS.

So…. you meant ‘collaborators’ in a complimentary way, right? Not an ‘Uncle Tom’ way, of course. Lets see… .

“Don’t get me wrong…there are a few collaborators out there trying to make a name for themselves as “Black Tea Partyers”, or “Black Conservatives”…because Lord knows Fox News has all two dozen of those folks on speed-dial”

Hmmmm… On second look I’m guessing that when you say “Why is that so difficult to understand, FearMonger?”……. you want me to connect the dots that you left out. Being that it’s a pretty straight line I will do that just for you Cobra.

Tea Party….. White People….. Racists…. Black Conservatives…… ‘Collaborators’/ Uncle Toms….. Tea Party.

That about sum it up?

And NO. I’m not defending ANYBODYS post ‘line by line’ and anybody who comprehends english can see that clearly for themselves, Methinks your race-colored glasses get foggy from all that hate…um …heat. Try taking them off sometime por favor.

YOU jumped to a WRONG conclusion about Gar’s post and flew off the handle saying this…

“Damn straight I’m serious. A poster named Gar comes on this blog and calls ME “emasculinated” for daring not to support White Conservative ideology, and I’m supposed to just take it silently?

Not today, Fear Monger.”

You were dead wrong Cobra. THAT’S what I pointed out and THAT does not justify your accusation that I ‘come to the defense of ANY conservative on this blog”

I comprehend what I read, though. And if you can’t at least acknowledge that you misinterpreted what Gar wrote…. even after it’s been clarified…. then I have no reason to discuss anything with you.

How long before you twist my words around the same way? Homey don’t play that shit. You get it wrong, you say so…. or else your credibility goes straight to zero.

btw… I didn’t see an answer to my question about the NAACP…. did I miss it?

FearMonger,

Who designated you Gar’s “official interpretor?” You’re coming to Gar’s defense because you believe that any criticism of Blacks who don’t tow the liberal line is “emasculinating?”

I won’t let this go, and you won’t get away with framing this discussion. Gar claims that if a Black person disagrees with liberals on something, he (or she??!?) is “emasculinated” by Rachel Maddow and folks like me.

Hello, FearMonger? I, COBRA, does not AGREE with EVERYTHING in the Far Left agenda, EITHER. So by that argument, Gar is claiming that Rachel Maddow & Co. are “emasculinating” ME. Why? Because that’s the only two options provided by Gar in his statement. If you believe or interpret that otherwise, that’s fine. That’s not how I Interpreted his writings, and since GAR HIMSELF HAS NOT CLARIFIED THE RECORD, (again, you are not GAR) but instead, DOUBLED-DOWN on his rhetoric, that’s where I indefatigably stand on this.

Gar seems to want Blacks, (if they have the permission to stay in his vicinity after sunset) to silently support whatever right winged, White Conservative-exhorting policies and agendas he sees fit, or they represent a problem. Fear Monger, you can defend that ideology all you like. It’s America, right? However, you seem SHOCKED that somebody like me CHALLENGES you.

FearMonger said:
@ Cobra…. “No.No.NO. People like Gar only have two default positions for minorities. Agreeing with White Conservatives, or being a “Problem”. There is no other ground. If you “collaborate” with somebody, you are a “collaborator.” Why is that so difficult to understand, FearMonger?”___________ Dang dude…Obtuse much? Did you see the point about who is ‘emasculated’ or not? Cuz it sure as hell looks like you went straight to your fallback position of RACIST RACIST RACIST. Gar was saying that Maddow/ the media/ libs ‘emasculate’ black conservatives…. NOT pissed off race-baiting liberals. You had it bass-ackwards, Get it? But keep clinging to your hate…. “People like Gar…..”. Yeah. We know…..”Republican, largely white, above the mean in age and income and voted for John McCain”. …. Tea Party people…. in other words, RACISTS. So…. you meant ‘collaborators’ in a complimentary way, right? Not an ‘Uncle Tom’ way, of course. Lets see… . “Don’t get me wrong…there are a few collaborators out there trying to make a name for themselves as “Black Tea Partyers”, or “Black Conservatives”…because Lord knows Fox News has all two dozen of those folks on speed-dial” Hmmmm… On second look I’m guessing that when you say “Why is that so difficult to understand, FearMonger?”……. you want me to connect the dots that you left out. Being that it’s a pretty straight line I will do that just for you Cobra. Tea Party….. White People….. Racists…. Black Conservatives…… ‘Collaborators’/ Uncle Toms….. Tea Party. That about sum it up? And NO. I’m not defending ANYBODYS post ‘line by line’ and anybody who comprehends english can see that clearly for themselves, Methinks your race-colored glasses get foggy from all that hate…um …heat. Try taking them off sometime por favor. YOU jumped to a WRONG conclusion about Gar’s post and flew off the handle saying this… “Damn straight I’m serious. A poster named Gar comes on this blog and calls ME “emasculinated” for daring not to support White Conservative ideology, and I’m supposed to just take it silently? Not today, Fear Monger.” You were dead wrong Cobra. THAT’S what I pointed out and THAT does not justify your accusation that I ‘come to the defense of ANY conservative on this blog” I comprehend what I read, though. And if you can’t at least acknowledge that you misinterpreted what Gar wrote…. even after it’s been clarified…. then I have no reason to discuss anything with you. How long before you twist my words around the same way? Homey don’t play that shit. You get it wrong, you say so…. or else your credibility goes straight to zero. btw… I didn’t see an answer to my question about the NAACP…. did I miss it?

Where am I factually incorrect about the Demographics of the Tea Party? I provided links and sources. Are you claiming that the Tea Party is NOT predominantly White, older, Conservative and voted for McCain? Please cite YOUR sources to back that up if you do.

And as far as my “hate.”

If you call standing up to the White Conservative echo chamber when they go off on tangents attacking any minority on a range of subjects from repealing the Civil Rights Act, to repealing the 14th Amendment, selective outrage over voter intimidation, etc….”hate”, then you’re just gonna have to call me a “hater” then, because this Black man is NOT bowing down, or backing down to anybody on this blog.

–Cobra

Geez Cobra…. you are really being thick. Is it on purpose or can you really not comprehend that you got it wrong? Still no acknowledgement from you on that or the NAACP question but…. I will try one more time.

Cobra wrote:

“Who designated you Gar’s “official interpretor?” You’re coming to Gar’s defense because you believe that any criticism of Blacks who don’t tow the liberal line is “emasculinating?”
_______________

No Cobra. I ‘came to his defense’ because you misinterpreted what he wrote and apparently… after all this chat… you still don’t get it. You have your prejudice in place so you just refuse to wrap your brain around what he said. Funny thing is …. YOU made his point by insulting the Black Conservatives in that very same post.

Now you have somehow morphed this into and attack on WHAT I MAY OR NOT BELIEVE and it really is telling to watch your progression from hate to more hate. It’s not about “ANY CRITICISM OF BLACKS WHO DON’T TOW THE LINE’ as you inject out of thin air…. it’s about Black Tea Party members, right? Big difference…. and YOU SHOULD KNOW BETTER than to pull that BS.

So… your whole rant about your personal beliefs is irrelevant and stupid. The word ‘emasculated’ (that you take WAY too much offense to btw) was not aimed at you and it’s clear in the original post. The fact that you twist it to point it in your direction is your problem. Gar was talking about black people who ‘collaborate’ with conservatives…. NOT black people who disagree with some liberal policies but remain (and vote) faithfully (D).

You even fortified his assertion by castigating those same people in your very next post. THAT’S why I have said what I have said and that is also clearly written on this thread. You can try to call it ‘backing down’ or ‘not backing down’ but where I come from… where it’s about the content of your character… a real man admits when he’s made a mistake.

The rest of this argument about who does what to whom is not the type of battle I choose to fight. I DO, HOWEVER, INSIST THAT THE WORDS WRITTEN HERE ARE RESPECTED. We just learned a big lesson about CONTEXT… we should make every effort to interpret each others words accurately.

If you are not willing to do that Cobra, then I will not participate in any more discussion with you. So… one last time…

Gar wrote:

” I contend what Maddow is suggesting about conservative news trying to scare white people is actually liberal media trying to scare black people”
______________________

It’s clear what he is saying. If you disagree that is fine but… in the next sentence when he said this…

“Not only do you try to scare, but if they make the move you emasculate them”
________________________

There is no doubt that he is referring to black people who join with conservatives. You know, those COLLABORATORS who are TRYING TO MAKE A NAME FOR THEMSELVES “because Lord knows Fox News has all two dozen of those folks on speed-dial”…

Why would anyone think that those good folks get unfairly attacked? Silly Gar….

Lead paragraph:

Earlier this week, conservative media figure Andrew Breitbart seized upon a New York Times story correction as proof that Civil Rights hero John Lewis (D-Ga) and others were “lying” when they claimed that a crowd of protesters had hurled the “n-word” at them as they walked to the Capitol to vote on health care reform.

John Lewis quotes purported to be “lies”: nonexistent.

JOURNALISM!!!

Pablo said:
Lead paragraph: John Lewis quotes purported to be “lies”: nonexistent. JOURNALISM!!!

Pablo….If they just keep repeating it, it will become true in that people will think it’s a fact. JornOlist 101. Like you said earlier in the thread…. “use the Big Lie theory to promote a Big Lie”

“use the Big Lie theory to promote a Big Lie”
“use the Big Lie theory to promote a Big Lie”
“use the Big Lie theory to promote a Big Lie”
“use the Big Lie theory to promote a Big Lie”
“use the Big Lie theory to promote a Big Lie”
“use the Big Lie theory to promote a Big Lie”
“use the Big Lie theory to promote a Big Lie”

FearMonger said:
Geez Cobra…. you are really being thick. Is it on purpose or can you really not comprehend that you got it wrong? Still no acknowledgement from you on that or the NAACP question but…. I will try one more time.

Cobra wrote:

“Who designated you Gar’s “official interpretor?” You’re coming to Gar’s defense because you believe that any criticism of Blacks who don’t tow the liberal line is “emasculinating?”
_______________

No Cobra. I ‘came to his defense’ because you misinterpreted what he wrote and apparently… after all this chat… you still don’t get it. You have your prejudice in place so you just refuse to wrap your brain around what he said. Funny thing is …. YOU made his point by insulting the Black Conservatives in that very same post.

Now you have somehow morphed this into and attack on WHAT I MAY OR NOT BELIEVE and it really is telling to watch your progression from hate to more hate. It’s not about “ANY CRITICISM OF BLACKS WHO DON’T TOW THE LINE’ as you inject out of thin air…. it’s about Black Tea Party members, right? Big difference…. and YOU SHOULD KNOW BETTER than to pull that BS.

So… your whole rant about your personal beliefs is irrelevant and stupid. The word ‘emasculated’ (that you take WAY too much offense to btw) was not aimed at you and it’s clear in the original post. The fact that you twist it to point it in your direction is your problem. Gar was talking about black people who ‘collaborate’ with conservatives…. NOT black people who disagree with some liberal policies but remain (and vote) faithfully (D).

You even fortified his assertion by castigating those same people in your very next post. THAT’S why I have said what I have said and that is also clearly written on this thread. You can try to call it ‘backing down’ or ‘not backing down’ but where I come from… where it’s about the content of your character… a real man admits when he’s made a mistake.

The rest of this argument about who does what to whom is not the type of battle I choose to fight. I DO, HOWEVER, INSIST THAT THE WORDS WRITTEN HERE ARE RESPECTED. We just learned a big lesson about CONTEXT… we should make every effort to interpret each others words accurately.

If you are not willing to do that Cobra, then I will not participate in any more discussion with you. So… one last time…

Gar wrote:

” I contend what Maddow is suggesting about conservative news trying to scare white people is actually liberal media trying to scare black people”
______________________

It’s clear what he is saying. If you disagree that is fine but… in the next sentence when he said this…

“Not only do you try to scare, but if they make the move you emasculate them”
________________________

There is no doubt that he is referring to black people who join with conservatives. You know, those COLLABORATORS who are TRYING TO MAKE A NAME FOR THEMSELVES “because Lord knows Fox News has all two dozen of those folks on speed-dial”…

Why would anyone think that those good folks get unfairly attacked? Silly Gar….

You’ve made your stand, and you’ve pledged allegiance to Gar, acting as his official interpreter. You’ve chosen that role out of your own free will. So when you write:

“Gar was talking about black people who ‘collaborate’ with conservatives…. NOT black people who disagree with some liberal policies but remain (and vote) faithfully (D).”

Gar’s exact quote was:

“If 97% of all blacks vote democratic and only 2% of all blacks listen to conservative news outlets it stands to reason why this is a fact. I contend what Maddow is suggesting about conservative news trying to scare white people is actually liberal media trying to scare black people.Not only do you try to scare, but if they make the move you emasculate them.”

This is another example of the typical blogosphere conflation of political terms. “Conservative” is NOT synonymous with “Republican”. “Liberal” is NOT synonymous with “Democrat.” While it’s true that African-Americans have voted primarily Democratic since the passing of the Civil Rights Act of 1964, the notion that there are no such things as moderate, blue dogs, socially conservative, or fiscally conservative Democrats is sheer lunacy. The same would apply to moderate, socially liberal Republicans. Many of the ministers and clergy who run for office in the DNC are socially conservative on many issues.

This is NOT what Gar was getting at, although you take PAINS to defend him.

No.No.NO…Gar has this obsession with “emasculating”.
Why do I take particular umbrage at that word?

” The emasculation of minority males – Black males in particular – is a historically documented method employed by the White majority to keep Blacks and other minorities “in their place” dating back to the era of enslavement. This emasculation strategy even pervaded White vernacular during the Jim Crow era, when it was common for a White man to address another Black man as “boy.”
http://www.minorityreporter.com/features/emasculate08.html

Throughout American history it was a goal of the White majority to emasculate minority males, particularly Blacks.
“In addition to defining the status of enslaved blacks, the 1690 code explicitly spelled out the punishment for those who struck a white person and for runaways. First offenders were severely whipped, followed by slitting the nose and burning “some part of his face with a hot iron” and even death for those who attacked whites a second or third time. Enslaved blacks found off the plantation without written permission from their master were considered runaways. Those who ran away more than once could be branded with an R on their cheek and might suffer the loss of an ear. Castrating male slaves and branding an R on the left cheek of female slaves punished a fourth offense. A fifth failed attempt could be punished by either cutting the tendon in one leg or sentencing the enslaved person to death.”
http://www.slaveryinamerica.org/geography/slave_laws_SC.htm

And this continues today …if only figuratively…

Sara Palin saying President Obama lacks “cojones”…emasculation.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FStWfgZirbQ

And it’s not just White folks in on the act of emasculating Obama…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aZEsHj66EBY&feature=related

You want more sourcing as to why I take issue with Gar on “emasculating” Black males, since he turns the very HEART of the history of Black emasculation on its HEAD with his statement?

–Cobra

FearMonger said:
Pablo….If they just keep repeating it, it will become true in that people will think it’s a fact.

That’s why I keep repeating that it isn’t true. Now, let’s go back to that lead paragraph, with slightly different emphasis:

Earlier this week, conservative media figure Andrew Breitbart seized upon a New York Times story correction as proof that Civil Rights hero John Lewis (D-Ga) and others were “lying” when they claimed that a crowd of protesters had hurled the “n-word” at them as they walked to the Capitol to vote on health care reform.

Thing is, Breitbart never says that John Lewis lied. In fact, he never mentions Lewis, other than copying the reference to him in the NYT correction. So, he’s “seizing as proof…that John Lewis…(was) lying…” without ever mentioning John Lewis.

Tommy, this piece is an abortion. If you have any integrity whatsoever, you need to correct it.

FEAR MONGER SAVED ME FROM A LOT OF TYPING FOR WHICH I’M THANKFUL . BTW COBRA I didn’t know that using the word emasculate once put me in the obsession category, SINCE IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU UNTIL YOU PROVED MY POINT.Keep looking back, keep being bitter, keep playing the victim, and when it’s all over you’ll find what a waste of time your life was. LAST CONVERSATION WITH YOU. I CAN’T WASTE TIME WITH RACISTS.

gar said:
FEAR MONGER SAVED ME FROM A LOT OF TYPING FOR WHICH I’M THANKFUL . BTW COBRA I didn’t know that using the word emasculate once put me in the obsession category, SINCE IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU UNTIL YOU PROVED MY POINT.Keep looking back, keep being bitter, keep playing the victim, and when it’s all over you’ll find what a waste of time your life was. LAST CONVERSATION WITH YOU. I CAN’T WASTE TIME WITH RACISTS.

No problem Gar. What you wrote was clear to anybody whose vision is not blurred by their own prejudices. Cobra thought he knew what you were going to say before you even said it and he is still stuck on his pre-conceived misinterpretation.

What is troublesome is his refusal to see the truth even when light is shined on it and a magnifying glass applied to bring it into clear focus. He never even admitted that he misunderstood. Instead he seizes on one word and goes off once again. Slavery slavery hate hate hate….

It’s a tired, broken record Cobra. These days we’re finding out who the ‘bitter clingers’ really are.

FearMonger said:
No problem Gar. What you wrote was clear to anybody whose vision is not blurred by their own prejudices. Cobra thought he knew what you were going to say before you even said it and he is still stuck on his pre-conceived misinterpretation.

What is troublesome is his refusal to see the truth even when light is shined on it and a magnifying glass applied to bring it into clear focus. He never even admitted that he misunderstood. Instead he seizes on one word and goes off once again. Slavery slavery hate hate hate….

It’s a tired, broken record Cobra. These days we’re finding out who the ‘bitter clingers’ really are.

Tired? I’m sure you ARE tired. I bet you’re use to people bending to your will, and just agreeing with you because…well…you SAID so.

Sorry. You tagged the wrong guy this time.

gar said:
FEAR MONGER SAVED ME FROM A LOT OF TYPING FOR WHICH I’M THANKFUL . BTW COBRA I didn’t know that using the word emasculate once put me in the obsession category, SINCE IT HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH YOU UNTIL YOU PROVED MY POINT.Keep looking back, keep being bitter, keep playing the victim, and when it’s all over you’ll find what a waste of time your life was. LAST CONVERSATION WITH YOU. I CAN’T WASTE TIME WITH RACISTS.

You didn’t HAVE a “conversation” . You basically addressed your “damn, ain’t these Blacks stupid for voting Democrat” screed and attacked Al Sharpton.

Take that noise to FreeRepublic where the audience will cheer you on. Here, you’ll get science dropped on your head with links and references from an educated Black man who won’t take crap from arrogant right wingers who think Jesus made the sun shine just for White Conservatives.

Keep it coming, guys. Defend Mark Williams…
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/2010/07/18/2010-07-18_tea_party_express_leader_mark_williams_expelled_over_colored_people_letter.html

…or Dale Robertson
http://washingtonindependent.com/73036/n-word-sign-dogs-would-be-tea-party-leader

If you wanna go the FULL Breitbart, that is.

–Cobra

Cobra,
You are nothing but a hateful racist loudmouth. I am unsure whether your spouting is due to incredible stupidity, environmentally ingrained ignorance, or intentional malice, but regardless of the reason(s), your rantings ring distinctly false. You contantly misconstrue (intentionally or otherwise) what is being said by others, and then back up your verbal misappropriations with marginally believable references from mostly highly questionable sources, and then pronounce anyone that disagrees with you part of the great white hate machine. Finally, you duck all the pointed and pertinent questions, the ones that your hate cannot cope with. I’m not going to waste my time with specific citations, as that has been done previously ad nauseum.

Prove me wrong: use your ten-hour-a-day websurfing habit to show me the video of congressman Lewis (not his colleagues , not his aides, not some reporter who says he heard him say it) saying that members of the March 20th Tea Party crowd called him a “nigger”. Clearly, that is where this thread, this story, and indeed the entire controversy started. Posting that will end the entire debate once and for all. You don’t even have to find the video of the actual posited transgression. Go on, post the link. I’m waiting. AND DON”T DODGE THE QUESTION.

Oh, and Mr. Christopher is a racist, a pedophile, a Chinese spy, AND attends dog fighting matches. Come on, Tommy boy, prove us wrong. We all know it’s true…

RickVB said:
Cobra,You are nothing but a hateful racist loudmouth. I am unsure whether your spouting is due to incredible stupidity, environmentally ingrained ignorance, or intentional malice, but regardless of the reason(s), your rantings ring distinctly false. You contantly misconstrue (intentionally or otherwise) what is being said by others, and then back up your verbal misappropriations with marginally believable references from mostly highly questionable sources, and then pronounce anyone that disagrees with you part of the great white hate machine. Finally, you duck all the pointed and pertinent questions, the ones that your hate cannot cope with. I’m not going to waste my time with specific citations, as that has been done previously ad nauseum.

You have NOTHING but name calling and accusations, sir. I answered all questions head on. You just didn’t LIKE the answers I provided, and the counter points I brought up. When you don’t get the answers you want to hear, you, like some of your right winged friends on here, cry foul. This particularly occurs when somebody who’s NOT a White Conservative voices an opinion that runs counter to your ideology.

That’s just too bad, isn’t it?

This thread is titled:
“Andrew Breitbart’s Video ‘Evidence’ Of Lying Congressmen Is Anything But”

“CongressMEN”…PLURAL, which means Rep. Cleaver, who made this statement on the record, which I linked to:

“”They were shouting, sort of harassing,” Lewis said. “But, it’s okay, I’ve faced this before. It reminded me of the 60s. It was a lot of downright hate and anger and people being downright mean.”

“It was a chorus,” Cleaver said. “In a way, I feel sorry for those people who are doing this nasty stuff – they’re being whipped up. I decided I wouldn’t be angry with any of them.”

Read more: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/03/20/90772/rep-john-lewis-charges-protesters.html#ixzz0wDeAMUXB

And Barney Frank? Remember him?

“Protesters also used a slur as they confronted Rep. Barney Frank, D-Mass., an openly gay member of Congress.

“People out there today, on the whole, were really hateful,” Frank said. “The leaders of this movement have a responsibility to speak out more.”

Read more: http://www.mcclatchydc.com/2010/03/20/90772/rep-john-lewis-charges-protesters.html#ixzz0wDeW2USg

No…you wouldn’t believe that either, would you Rick? You haven’t even MENTIONED the person who is actually NAMED in the title of this thread, Andrew Breitbart. Read HIS OWN WORDS:

“There is no reason in 21st century America on an issue that is not a black or white or a civil rights issue to have a bloc of black people walk slowly through a mostly white crowd to make a racial point. The walk in and of itself — with two of the participants holding their handheld cameras above their heads hoping to document “proof” — was an act of racism meant to create a contrast between the tea party crowd and themselves. “

http://bigjournalism.com/abreitbart/2010/03/25/2010-a-race-odyssey-disproving-a-negative-for-cash-prizes-or-how-the-civil-rights-movement-jumped-the-shark/

His words. No editing. Walking while Black through a crowd of mostly White People is an “act of racism.”

And people have the GAUL to charge me with seeing things through the prism of race?

LOL!

–Cobra

Cobra said:
Damn straight I’m serious. A poster named Gar comes on this blog and calls ME “emasculinated” for daring not to support White Conservative ideology, and I’m supposed to just take it silently?

So…. you still think you were right when you said this?

btw… you still haven’t answered my question about the NAACP so….when you say this…

Cobra said:
You have NOTHING but name calling and accusations, sir. I answered all questions head on. You just didn’t LIKE the answers I provided, and the counter points I brought up. When you don’t get the answers you want to hear, you, like some of your right winged friends on here, cry foul. This particularly occurs when somebody who’s NOT a White Conservative voices an opinion that runs counter to your ideology.
That’s just too bad, isn’t it?

you just make it even clearer just how unreasonable you have been. The more I’ve tried to calmly explain how the word ‘emasculated’ wasn’t used to say that YOU were the one being emasculated, the more pissy you have become. Meanwhile you still refuse to admit that you made a mistake in your interpretation which I quoted above.

And you continue to ignore my repeated requests for you to answer one simple question….

FearMonger,

I’m going to count to 10…take a deep, clensing breath…and answer this question of yours.

….

..
.

Question:
You’ve already made it clear that you believe the Tea Party is racist….endorsed by David Duke etc etc. Does that mean that you also believe the NAACP is racist because they are endorsed by the NBPP?”

I believe that there are some bigots within the Tea Party ranks. It’s a large organization. I also believe there are some bigots within the NAACP. It’s a large organization as well. Hell, you can find bigotry in just about any LARGE organization in America.

The difference is in DEGREE, IMHO.

When I see New Black Panther Party member, King Shamir Shabazz (Fox News’ “scary Black man” of the Moment) presented well-received videos to the NAACP, or King Shamir Shabazz being ENCOURAGED by THOUSANDS of NAACP members to run for PRESIDENT in 2012…
http://www.davidduke.com/general/will-dr-david-duke-run-for-u-s-president_17873.html

…I will concede the point to you, that the NAACP is “just as bigotted” as the Tea Party, FearMonger, apologize to you in writing on line, and beg forgiveness for any discomfort my statements on this thread may have caused you.

–Cobra

Your article is implying that the guy in blue at 00:13 is saying the N-Word and yet I can clearly hear him saying “Kill the Bill”. The guy who steps forward appears to be not be saying anything at all. He stepped forward for a closer look and then when into a relaxed pose. Nothing here. Move along. You can clearly hear that the rest of the audience is screaming “Kill the Bill”.

The guys walking by are all congressmen, politicians are known to be notorious liars.

Wow, Larry O’Connor has wiped the floor with Tommy Christopher.

Read Larry’s take down here: http://biggovernment.com/sright/2010/08/10/mediaites-tommy-christophers-failed-defense-of-the-n-word-lie-dismantled/

Why does Mediaite have a racist like Tommy Christopher on the payroll? Racist Tommy Christopher has been given numerous opportunities to repent his racism, yet he continues his racist ad hominem attacks.

>I will concede the point to you, that the NAACP is “just as bigotted” as the Tea Party…

Good. How nice. Reconciliation is such a happy event.

This whole racism thing started in the Democratic primary. Obama supporters online regularly called other Democrats that supported Hillary Clinton “ignorant racists”. They never really proved that either. And then during the general election MSNBC people like Andrea Mitchell started the whole…”if they say Obama is inexperienced that is really just code for he is black and that makes them racist” thing…even though he was really inexperienced. This was all pre TEA. Then healthcare reform came on the scene and many people protested against it and once again the whole, “they are all racist” thing was used again.

Not only was there no proof but there were actually people on facebook who wanted to infiltrate the TEA party and carry racist signs so that they could produce so good stuff for the MSM to use against the TEA party. So it shouldn’t shock or surprise thinking individuals that many of us have grown imune to the “you’re a racist” crap and don’t believe members of the congressional black caucus.

1. They walked through the crowd on purpose instead of through the tunnel like usual. So what was the purpose?
2. I have seen video of one member of the CBC walking in front of the others with a really nice video camera recording the events. So why not use that video evidence to either prove or disprove the accusation?
3. When Carson rushes up to a group of reporters and shares the events as he says they occured he sounds like he is making stuff up about the 15 times by 15 people. He was asked by reporters for the specifics and he actually pauses to ask, “how many are out there?” before saying about 15 people 15 times. It just sounds like “yeah yeah that’s the ticket 15 people said it 15 times.”
4. When Cleaver first made the I was spit upon remark it added credibility to the story (check out Tommy’s link) but eventually Cleaver clears that up by saying he wasn’t so much spit upon as much as someone who was yelling, “kill the bill” allowed spittal to land on him. There is a big difference between being pit upon by a hateful racist and having some one spray it when they should say it, accidentally. Now why did he even bring that up if he knew it was accidental?

In my opinion the CBC wanted something to happen and they wanted to catch it on film which is why they were videotaping. When they didn’t get anything they made crap up. Why? Because they wanted to discredit the opposition. Just like the Obama supporters did the Clinton supporters. Just like Obama supporters in and outside of the MSM did during the general election and just like those who tried to infiltrate the TEA party with racist signs did. They believe that the ends justifies any means necessary.

I can’t prove this anymore than anyone else can prove that 15 people yelled the N word 15 times at the CBC members. So we are all left to make up our own minds. And it really doesn’t surprise me that we don’t agree. It reminds me of the OJ Simpson trial. I thought he was guilty and frankly still do but most black americans supported OJ and believed the LAPD was framing him because they are racist.

If the N word was yelled. That is wrong. I hate racism. But if the Congressional Black Caucus is playing the race card for political gain…that is equally as wrong and I hate that too.

Tommy boy, when are you 0bammunists going to give up? No one believes your “racist” smears anymore … not even your buddies at the New Yuk Times.

Now Larry O’Connor over at Breitbart just made you look like a complete buffoon.

Next time, if you race-baiting liars want to convince intelligent people that someone yelled the “n-word”, make sure there is not a sea of video cameras recording every moment. Duh.

@Cobra:

President Reagan improved the economic lot of black America more than any president in US history. By every economic measure: black employment gains, black income gains, black businesses started, revenues taken by black businesses and so on. If you would like specific figures then just let me know and I will be more than happy to oblige.

Liberalism, on the other hand, has had the opposite effect. MLK was a Republican, although I presume you know that. After the noble civil rights movement of MLK fizzled out, the gap was tragically filled by the Marxist “black power” movement, with the help of white leftists and the angry black radicals they courted. White leftists funded the Black Panthers and hence financed the drugs and guns with which the murderous Panthers used to terrorize Oakland. In fact ever since leftist liberalism became the dominant influence in the ghetto, virtually every social problem skyrocketed, from single parenthood to teenage pregnancy to drug abuse to gang warfare. Welfare dependency has flourished.

The empirical evidence of the left’s destruction of black America is every bit as obvious as the evidence that conservative policies have had the opposite effect. Why blacks continue to side with the Democrats is beyond any reasonable standard of logic.

Also of note is the AP/Yahoo poll of 2008 which found that over a third of Democrats harbor extremely racist feelings toward blacks – that they are lazier than whites, more disposed to criminal activity, etc. These are the Democrats who were prepared to admit it to a pollster. But you just keep pushing the shopworn meme that conservatism is the enemy of black America, that the Tea Party is racist and that Democrats represent the only hope for African Americans. I guess if you believe that, then that’s all that matters.

“Tommy Christopher is a racist. Prove otherwise, Tommy.”
-Jim Treacher

“So’s your face.”
-Tommy Christopher

Bwahahaha! What an adolescent response! Really? How old is this guy?

What a bogus crock of crap!! The members of the Black Caucus who LIED about hearing the “N” word have lost all credibility. No wonder they are playing it down and don’t want to “go there” any longer. They pulled the Race Card and their little ploy failed, MISERABLY! Serves the race-baiters right!!

Andy Breitbart has won the day and will continue to win because he TELLS THE TRUTH! Can’t say the same about the author of this stinky piece OR the members of the Black Caucus who pulled the Race Card.

Mediaite.com = MediaMatters.org.

Tommy “hear-no-evil” Christopher said:
That’s the fallacy in question, that the testimony of 3 named, credible eyewitnesses is somehow not enough to report on it. Every news organization routinely reports stories with a single, anonymous source, so this is a ridiculous standard. So is insisting that lack of video is proof it didn’t happen. My video demonstrates that even those tiny, cherry-picked clips are proof of nothing.

A fair journalist would show the 4 separate videos of the incident that show nothing, as an opposing point of view. These 4 videos have never been seen on any broadcast networks.

That is bias. That is journOlism.

Cobra,
“And people have the GAUL to charge me with seeing things through the prism of race?”

Yup, you’re a racist. No doubt about it. You decided within seconds you knew all about *me*, didn’t you? I’m just another whitey lookin’ to enslave the black man. This concluded by reading a few dozen words on a anonymous website. So what if your assumptions about who I am are wrong…?

AND, you still didn’t prove me wrong… you offer as evidence lifted written quotes from a couple of the aforementioned highly questionable sources, instead of living up to the standard you are calling for Mr. Breitbart to be held to, and provided a VIDEO of congressman Lewis making the charge… because it doesn’t exist… because congressman Lewis is apparently not the type to look into a camera and tell a baldface lie.

Hey Tommy C. – we’re waiting for your correction to this blatantly incorrect BS story on Breitbart & the n-word fantasy cooked up by Empress Pelosi & her slaves, the CBC.

“In the article “Andrew Breitbart’s Video ‘Evidence’ Of Lying Congressmen Is Anything But” published August 6th at Mediaite, author Tommy Christopher makes a number of factual errors and unverifiable claims that ought to be corrected or clarified.”

http://bigjournalism.com/retracto/2010/08/11/correction-request-tommy-christopher-mediaite/

A real man lives with integrity – a sense of honor – and ADMITS WHEN HE IS WRONG.

If you don’t – then we all will know what a condescending, patronizing racist you are. To assume that because a Congressman/woman is black – that means they can do no wrong – is just one more form of Democratic plantation slavery.

Humm, I’ve just read the link to Big Journalism above and I have to admit it seems like this author is pitching sliders in from way out in left field.

I’ll be interested to see his response. Looks like a test of basic integrity to me.

Gerard Van Der Leun said:
Humm, I’ve just read the link to Big Journalism above and I have to admit it seems like this author is pitching sliders in from way out in left field. I’ll be interested to see his response. Looks like a test of basic integrity to me.

I tested his basic integrity already and found it absent. Dude is just like his bosses in the Obama administration… they insist on doubling down on stupid.

essequamvideri said:
Hey Tommy C. – we’re waiting for your correction to this blatantly incorrect BS story

Good luck with that. When a ‘journOlist’ issues a challenge as stupid as this one….

Tommy Christopher said:
Give me just one example of someone being accused of racism simply for disagreeing with Obama

and then, after an obvious ‘example’ (GAROFALO) smacks down his silly assertion, commences to move the goal post and use semantics to continue to defend such a blatant brain fart…. well….. what can you say about the ‘integrity’ of a guy like that.

Many ‘examples’ later and mucho ignorance displayed from Mr. Christopher, he confirmed again that he stood behind his statement.

This is the same guy who had the nerve to say this….

Tommy Christopher said:
failing to call out racism is exactly how it takes root once more.

It appears (duh) that Mr. Christopher is big on ‘calling out racism’, real or imagined, as long as it is coming from the right group. Denying that good people are unfairly being called ‘racist’ out here in America does a disservice NOT ONLY to those people… but to the state of race relations nationwide.

Not to mention it proves you to be an ignorant, hypocritical liar.

Mr. Christopher:

This is to inform you that Andrew Breitbart (via Retracto) has just called for a retraction of your outrageous smear.
http://bigjournalism.com/retracto/2010/08/11/correction-request-tommy-christopher-mediaite

Are you going to ignore this? Just slink away?

Will you not even address the specific points in his rebuttal to your malicious smear?

Do you have nary a modicum of honor, sir?

Do you still have a job as a journalist or is it “journolist”?

Perhaps you should just go back and finish grade school, sonny; leave the important discussions to the adults.

Gerard Van Der Leun said:
Looks like a test of basic integrity to me.

Yes, it is. Tommy has none, though.

Basically, I know it’s an exercise in futility to discuss these topics in an open blog, but I do it anyway because:

A) It’s Fun.
B) It really spells out clear as day to any minority who happens to read this blog what many conservatives are REALLY about.

Case in point. We’re here on this thread where mostly Conservatives are fighting to their last breath in denial that anyone from a mob of angry Tea Partyers could POSSIBLY use the “n-word” out loud before Black Congressmen, demanding forensic audio evidence of every possible utterance for proof.

On the same Blog, tonight’s lead thread:

Dr. Laura’s Racist Tirade: 11 N-Words And Advice To Not ‘Marry Out Of Your Race’
http://www.mediaite.com/online/dr-lauras-racist-tirade-11-n-words-and-advice-to-not-marry-out-of-your-race/

Not only can’t I FIND most of my conservative “racial slur audiologists” to comment, but a damn sight lot of the ones who did actually defended or AGREED with Dr. Laura, despite the fact that Dr. Laura herself apologized.
Bottom line on the Tea Party/Black Congressmen incident given this development? It apparently doesn’t matter what that crowd of angry White Conservatives did or said. They could’ve marched in full Klan Regalia and burned a cross on the Capitol stairs. There are more than a few White Conservatives on this blog who would not only defend them, but cheer them on like circus seals barking for fish. It’s now more clear than ever.

Ronald Reagan campaigned AGAINST the Fair Housing Act of 1966 saying:
““If an individual wants to discriminate against Negroes or others in selling or renting his house, he has a right to do so.”

Is that YOUR position?

No…instead you start running these right winged fairly tales about Blacks under Reagan. Try TRUTH, Sharke:

“But even if he regretted all his previous words and actions, his presidency was characterized by pointedly anti-Black actions. During his tenure in office, Reagan: turned over the political leadership of the Justice Department’s civil rights division to William Bradford Reynolds, an ideological enemy of civil rights; ordered the U.S Department of Agriculture to shelve any claims of discrimination by Black farmers; intensified the War on Drugs and other campaigns that criminalized large segments of the Black community; opposed congressional sanctions on South Africa; and stigmatized families on welfare as undeserving.

To counter charges of racism, Reagan cultivated and rewarded Black conservatives. In 1982, he appointed a young Clarence Thomas to the chair of the Equal Employment Opportunity Commission, where he remained for eight years. Today, Thomas is a Supreme Court justice, and Black Republicans like Lee H. Walker have insisted that Blacks did well under Reagan. But the majority of the Black community did not. Black male unemployment, for example, jumped to 25 percent by the end of the Reagan decade, and the total Black poverty rate had reached three times the poverty rate for whites by 1989.”

http://news.newamericamedia.org/news/view_article.html?article_id=4a9d2c1ccb425d1de06363275dbbecc7

Dig up your “figures,”, Sharke. Bring ‘em. Show me how Reagan “loved” Black people so damned much. Please engage me…I’m BEGGING you.

Your revisionist history on the Civil Rights Movement–the Black Panthers, MLK…Do you get this straight from the Limbaugh Letter, or do you actually BELIEVE some the stuff you write? That Blacks should’ve followed the White Conservatism of Bull Connor, Reagan and Reinquist? It will take DAYS worth of posts to unscramble the rotten eggs you’ve fried regarding Blacks and American History.

I’m up for it, though.

–Cobra

Cobra said:
We’re here on this thread where mostly Conservatives are fighting to their last breath in denial that anyone from a mob of angry Tea Partyers could POSSIBLY use the “n-word” out loud before Black Congressmen, demanding forensic audio evidence of every possible utterance for proof.

No sweetie. Not that it isn’t POSSIBLE, but that it DIDN’T HAPPEN. There’s a difference. Try a little comprehension.

It apparently doesn’t matter what that crowd of angry White Conservatives did or said. They could’ve marched in full Klan Regalia and burned a cross on the Capitol stairs. There are more than a few White Conservatives on this blog who would not only defend them, but cheer them on like circus seals barking for fish. It’s now more clear than ever.

Yes, it does matter what actually happened. It also matters what Andre Carson did or said. And that motherfucker lied like a sonofabitch. But you go ahead and cheer him on like a barking circus seal. Maybe you’ll get a fish.

Tommy: I emailed you two days ago that I was a witness to this “allegation” who filmed two videos (one of which is in the Brietbart clip) and that the whole “n-word” allegation is false. It never happened and I saw nothing to indicate that a slur ever was uttered. I find it amazing that, like you, McClatchy News, Dana Milbank of the Washington ComPost, and others who have spread this fallacy have not responded to my e-mails stating that I was a witness to this. And you liberals in the media dare to accuse Andrew Breitbart of taking things out of context?

maroonedinmarin said:
Tommy: I emailed you two days ago that I was a witness to this “allegation” who filmed two videos (one of which is in the Brietbart clip) and that the whole “n-word” allegation is false. It never happened and I saw nothing to indicate that a slur ever was uttered. I find it amazing that, like you, McClatchy News, Dana Milbank of the Washington ComPost, and others who have spread this fallacy have not responded to my e-mails stating that I was a witness to this. And you liberals in the media dare to accuse Andrew Breitbart of taking things out of context?

wow. I wish I could say I was surprised.

Pablo said:
No sweetie. Not that it isn’t POSSIBLE, but that it DIDN’T HAPPEN. There’s a difference. Try a little comprehension. Yes, it does matter what actually happened. It also matters what Andre Carson did or said. And that motherfucker lied like a sonofabitch. But you go ahead and cheer him on like a barking circus seal. Maybe you’ll get a fish.

“It DIDN’T HAPPEN”…That’s a statement of fact, which should have been followed by EVIDENCE supporting this notion that you personally VOUCH for ALL of the STATEMENT and ACTIVITIES of hundreds of angry White Tea Party Members on the Capitol steps that day.

And where is that “evidence?” Angry White Conservative Andrew Breitbart’s edited cell-phone video highlight reel?

Pablo, you can save alot of typing on these posts of yours if you’d just type your bottom line:

“White makes Right.”

Cut to the chase, Pablo.

–Cobra

Cobra said:
“It DIDN’T HAPPEN”…That’s a statement of fact, which should have been followed by EVIDENCE supporting this notion that you personally VOUCH for ALL of the STATEMENT and ACTIVITIES of hundreds of angry White Tea Party Members on the Capitol steps that day. And where is that “evidence?” Angry White Conservative Andrew Breitbart’s edited cell-phone video highlight reel? Pablo, you can save alot of typing on these posts of yours if you’d just type your bottom line: “White makes Right.” Cut to the chase, Pablo. –Cobra

Damn Cobra. Good job. You’ve flipped it around completely just like Tommy hoped to do.

Let me get this straight…. now YOU want ‘evidence’ that includes “ALL of the STATEMENT and ACTIVITIES of hundreds of angry White Tea Party Members on the Capitol steps that day”.

Isn’t that exactly what you’ve been bitching at Breitbart about? The fact that he says the lack of ‘evidence’ actually proves his point?

You seem to be of the mind that it’s a FACT that the ‘N’ word was said (screamed), despite the lack of proof. That’s cool. Believe what you wish. But when an accusation is made the burden of proof lies on the accuser.

You know, that silly old ‘innocent until proven guilty’ thing….

btw…. nobody framed this thing as what people may or may not ‘POSSIBLY’ do except you. ‘Possibilities’ are endless bro. Was there ‘possibly’ somebody in that crowd who might ‘possibly’ say the N word to black congressmen? Possibly…..

Did it ‘definitely’ happen? No. It ‘definitely’ didn’t ‘definitely’ happen. If it had then the NYT ‘definitely’ wouldn’t have retracted their accusation.. the proof would be all over the media.

That’s what Pablo was saying… there’s a big difference between what’s in the realm of ‘possibilities’ and what ‘definitely’ did or did not happen.

Innocent until proven guilty, Cobra. The way you’ve flipped the script you now have it ‘Guilty until proven innocent’.

If those are the new rules lets send out a memo so everybody can get on the same page and play by the same rules.

We wouldn’t want to be hypocrites.

Cobra, you’re full of shit. Black, white, brown or blue doesn’t matter. Hateful and full of shit does. That’s you all over, child.

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