Mission accomplished by Fox News/

Wow, what a surprise…another self-aggrandizing, condescending, Catholic-Hating, Progressive Bigot!

- lauded by the Democratic Media!!!

I’m shocked!

So…..the clueless-as-usual Sullivan is confused by the Tea Party, eh? Let me see if I can help him a bit.

They don’t feel “beseiged”. They’ve been tolerant to the point of complacency about the squeaky wheels on the left and have allowed them to throw their tantrums with relative impunity. And now that Middle America is sick of the spoiled children on the left having their way, they’re standing up and speaking out.

And, guess what? They’re not the minority here. They’re the majority in this country. The screamers on the left are far fewer in number. Like spoiled brats they’ve been allowed to have their way. And now that the adults in the house are speaking up the leftist children don’t like it one bit.

Beseiged? Nope. They’re about to become the beseigers thanks to the left’s over-reach.

I believe I saw a small, woodland creature nesting in that beard. Just saying.

LOL – another liberal attacks FNC — oh how original of him.

He really said that Obama is the adult? The man who said “all wee weed up” is an adult?

Bwahahahaha

Harry Flashman said:
So…..the clueless-as-usual Sullivan is confused by the Tea Party, eh? Let me see if I can help him a bit. They don’t feel “beseiged”. They’ve been tolerant to the point of complacency about the squeaky wheels on the left and have allowed them to throw their tantrums with relative impunity. And now that Middle America is sick of the spoiled children on the left having their way, they’re standing up and speaking out. And, guess what? They’re not the minority here. They’re the majority in this country. The screamers on the left are far fewer in number. Like spoiled brats they’ve been allowed to have their way. And now that the adults in the house are speaking up the leftist children don’t like it one bit. Beseiged? Nope. They’re about to become the beseigers thanks to the left’s over-reach.

Wait. I thought you were mad at the Republicans too for their overspending? Which one is it? Just the lefties or the spending?

A pretty embittered fellow, Mr. Sullivan. He trades on anger and outrage, of which he seems to have an inexhaustible supply. This kind of act does not translate well to TV. But I always get a laugh when someone refers to Sullivan as a conservative. Only in the mind of an ultra-far left media could this guy come across as anything except a progressive swimming in kool-aid. I guess that’s the only kind of “conservative” acceptable to the folks at the Daily Kos, Huffington Post, MSNBC, etc.

Obama is the most thin skinned, petulant man-child president we’ve ever had and he is the “only adult in the room”…??!! Laughable if it wasn’t pathetic. This moron has no clue about the Tea Party but yet he pretends to define it… can’t define something you have no clue about.

NORBIT says:
October 12, 2010 at 4:01 pm
3 0
Wow, what a surprise…another self-aggrandizing, condescending, Catholic-Hating, Progressive Bigot!

- lauded by the Democratic Media!!!

I’m shocked!
_____________________________________________

What a dumb ass you are, Norbit. Andrew Sullivan Is A Republican, You Idiot.

Yes, that is very funny, Obama as an adult. LOL

Obama has destroyed the democrat party all by himself. A truley great feat. We are all very grateful to him.

Blair,

In answer to your question, yeah, business as usual won’t cut it this time. And if the republicans don’t listen they’ll be out of jobs in the next election cycle the same as the dems in this one.

The replacements? The Tea Party, that the main stream politicians have been so casually dismissive of, will be huge in number by then and will take the seats the bench warming lumps that now occupy them hold.

Let’s see how they sneer then.

Harry Flashman said:
Blair, In answer to your question, yeah, business as usual won’t cut it this time. And if the republicans don’t listen they’ll be out of jobs in the next election cycle the same as the dems in this one. The replacements? The Tea Party, that the main stream politicians have been so casually dismissive of, will be huge in number by then and will take the seats the bench warming lumps that now occupy them hold. Let’s see how they sneer then.

You’ve described in clear detail the rise of the Nazis in Germany throughout the late 20′s and early 30′s. That’s not to say the Tea Partiers are Nazis, of course. Although, they do have the uniforms. In Big and Tall sizes.

Andy , you’re irrelevant and now you’re bitter, angry , and feeling lonely — good , now go back to your sexual fantasy world with Levi Johnston grooming your beard.

Ps. Whining about FOX ? …how brave of you.

cmdrgmh said:
NORBIT says:October 12, 2010 at 4:01 pm3 0Wow, what a surprise…another self-aggrandizing, condescending, Catholic-Hating, Progressive Bigot! – lauded by the Democratic Media!!! I’m shocked!_____________________________________________ What a dumb ass you are, Norbit. Andrew Sullivan Is A Republican, You Idiot.

Thank you for pointing that one. Just goes to show, these days, a conservative Republican is not conservative enough.

That scraggly beard! Those maniacal eyes! He looks like Robert Stephenson, only better looking!

cmdrgmh said:
NORBIT says:October 12, 2010 at 4:01 pm3 0Wow, what a surprise…another self-aggrandizing, condescending, Catholic-Hating, Progressive Bigot! – lauded by the Democratic Media!!! I’m shocked!_____________________________________________ What a dumb ass you are, Norbit. Andrew Sullivan Is A Republican, You Idiot.

LOL!
He’s as Republican as John McCain!!!

Bummer . This cat is human Paraquat , man .

writer said:
That scraggly beard! Those maniacal eyes! He looks like Robert Stephenson, only better looking!

Indeed. Must have left the Obama rally cap at home.

writer said:
That scraggly beard! Those maniacal eyes! He looks like Robert Stephenson, only better looking!

Ha Ha! :)

Sigh.

No, King, I’m describing democracy and the sleeping giant you lefties have awakened with your smug arrogance and your absolute confidence that you had established some sort of new reality for America.

Sorry. You lose.

The King is arrogant?

“I personally think Fox News and a certain propaganda apparatus have set out to whip these people [the Tea Party] in to a frenzy and it’s called demagoguery and populism and it has nothing to do with conservatism.””

Sooooo, where is this concern when it comes to ABC, NBC, CBS, CNN, MSNBC and the rest? What about the Bush years and the non-stop media activism?

Oh wait, it only matters when Democrats throw their temper tantrums.

Harry Flashman said:
Sigh. No, King, I’m describing democracy and the sleeping giant you lefties have awakened with your smug arrogance and your absolute confidence that you had established some sort of new reality for America. Sorry. You lose.

Sorry, the Nazis rose to power through the ballot box, too. So far, the comparison holds very well.

writer said:
The King is arrogant?

Not all of us have as much to be as humble about as you do, Kumquat.

Not all of us have as much to be as humble about as you do, Kumquat.

*Editors note: The King went to all white private schools.

writer said:
Not all of us have as much to be as humble about as you do, Kumquat. *Editors note: The King went to all white private schools.

Editor’s Note: It wasn’t only the African Americans who chased Kumquat at school everyday. Even the Hindus and the Quakers chased him. For reasons self-evident …. If he’d gone to St. Ignatius de Loyola …. I can’t even bear to think about it!

NORBIT said:
LOL!
He’s as Republican as John McCain!!!

Whoever said Sullivan is a Republican is wrong. He’s actually much LESS Republican than McCain. Sullivan formally abandoned the Republican Party last year. And, as often happens when a journalist abandons a political party, he now makes slamming the party his life’s mission. In reality, he’s now about as Republican as Nancy Pelosi, only brighter….which isn’t saying much.

Yep. Nothing gives a person a real feel for race relations like going to all white schools. But King, we actually have a point of agreement! On that thread yesterday about Obama having a book thrown at him, you were outraged that anyone might make light of any type of assault. And you’re right. Anyone who would do such a thing is a psychotic piece of shit.

The Real Royal King said:
That’s not to say the Tea Partiers are Nazis, of course. Although, they do have the uniforms. In Big and Tall sizes.

The Real Royal King said:
Sorry, the Nazis rose to power through the ballot box, too. So far, the comparison holds very well.

It appears to me that you are insinuating that Tea Partiers = Nazis.

murf said:
Andy , you’re irrelevant and now you’re bitter, angry , and feeling lonely — good , now go back to your sexual fantasy world with Levi Johnston grooming your beard.

I don’t recall Andrew Sullivan fantasizing about Levi Johnston, although if true it’s not at all surprising. I clearly DO, however, recall Sullivan obsessing over the size of Al Gore’s member, commenting on how well hung he is when Gore appeared on the cover of Rolling Stone. Journalism at it’s finest.

Patrick Henry said:
It appears to me that you are insinuating that Tea Partiers = Nazis.

My goodness no. Other than extreme rightist ideology and the chosen path to power, they would seem to have little in common. Well, the extremist rightist ideology, the path to power and the uniforms.

Isn’t Andrew Sullivan the same KOOK who said that Palin’s son was not hers?

So we are to believe him?

Andy Lamb said:
Whoever said Sullivan is a Republican is wrong. He’s actually much LESS Republican than McCain. Sullivan formally abandoned the Republican Party last year. And, as often happens when a journalist abandons a political party, he now makes slamming the party his life’s mission. In reality, he’s now about as Republican as Nancy Pelosi, only brighter….which isn’t saying much.

Absolutely , as soon as Sullivan decided to make his personal gay agenda ahead of the party ,he lost his ways and many ways his soul. Now his obession with the Palins and liberal seeking appeasment , makes him worse than a liberal..

Writer — Did you know Robert Stephenson got caught astroturfing ? LOL!

http://www.redstate.com/barrypopik/2010/01/28/austin-american-statesman-astroturfed-twice-by-democrats-doesnt-give-a-damn/

The King is unaware that hating the white race also counts as racism.

Andy Lamb said:
I don’t recall Andrew Sullivan fantasizing about Levi Johnston, although if true it’s not at all surprising. I clearly DO, however, recall Sullivan obsessing over the size of Al Gore’s member, commenting on how well hung he is when Gore appeared on the cover of Rolling Stone. Journalism at it’s finest.

I thought Murf was talking about you, Andy, and I said, no, I am pretty sure the Andy Lamb I know would not fantasize about Levi Johnston. You’re good people, Andy Lamb, even if a bit nutty politically. But, I love almonds.

Tell us that one again, King, about all those Crips ‘chasing’ you at your all white school. It never gets old.

he lost his ways and many ways his soul.

Thanks, Murf. I was wondering what to do about dinner tonight. Dover sole! With a nice pilaf and a crispy Alsatian.

I’m reminded of that line from Predator, where Arnold tells the predator, “You’re one ugly mother fu****. Imagine if Arnold had seen Robert Stephenson.

writer said:
Tell us that one again, King, about all those Crips ‘chasing’ you at your all white school. It never gets old.

Sorry, Kumquat. You’re boring me again. And, everyone else I am sure.

The Real Royal King said:
I thought Murf was talking about you, Andy, and I said, no, I am pretty sure the Andy Lamb I know would not fantasize about Levi Johnston. You’re good people, Andy Lamb, even if a bit nutty politically. But, I love almonds.

Murf and I are buddies King. And no, I would not fantasize about Levi Johnston, unless he was being run over by a Komatsu Asphalt Paver.

And then you found out you were mistaken, King. It turned out to be a guy who’d spent too long in a tanning bed! There were no Crips at your school! Come on, King. One more time!

Sullivan is right of course. In fact, just last week I watched Fox “News” with an acquaintance and within minutes he was all lathered up and was sure were all going to die tomorrow or the next day and began speaking in tea-bag-ese. I’m not sure what as more entertaining, Fox “News” or the guy speaking tea-bag-ese.

The Real Royal King said:
he lost his ways and many ways his soul.

Thanks, Murf. I was wondering what to do about dinner tonight. Dover sole! With a nice pilaf and a crispy Alsatian.

Just remember to take you’re hat off at the dinner table, Robe..
ahem … King

The Real Royal King said:
My goodness no. Other than extreme rightist ideology and the chosen path to power, they would seem to have little in common. Well, the extremist rightist ideology, the path to power and the uniforms.

king, the Nazis had no right wing ideology. They wanted the government to control everything. That is leftist ideology. Have you ever noticed the word “socialist” in their name?
I get tired of the left making that analogy and also saying conservatives are fascist, an impossibility.

The earrings can stay, as long as they match your dress.

Ted- said:
Sullivan is right of course. In fact, just last week I watched Fox “News” with an acquaintance and within minutes he was all lathered up and was sure were all going to die tomorrow or the next day and began speaking in tea-bag-ese. I’m not sure what as more entertaining, Fox “News” or the guy speaking tea-bag-ese.

You have an aquaintance?

Patrick Henry said:
king, the Nazis had no right wing ideology. They wanted the government to control everything. That is leftist ideology. Have you ever noticed the word “socialist” in their name?
I get tired of the left making that analogy and also saying conservatives are fascist, an impossibility.

I thought I had seen the dumbest post ever last week; probably by the Kumquat. This one is dumber. Congrats on being a compete dumb-ass. For some people, like you, there is no hope, only a trailer park.

OK, writer, is this the King or is it not?

http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=663097237#!/profile.php?id=663097237&v=info

only a trailer park.

Now Ted. There you go stereotyping again. I thought that was rule number one in the deranged leftist’s handbook. No stereotyping.

Ted- said:
I thought I had seen the dumbest post ever last week; probably by the Kumquat. This one is dumber. Congrats on being a compete dumb-ass. For some people, like you, there is no hope, only a trailer park.

Ted, would you like to offer any facts to dispute what I said, or as usual, do you just want to call names.

writer said:
only a trailer park.

Now Ted. There you go stereotyping again. I thought that was rule number one in the deranged leftist’s handbook. No stereotyping.

You make it too easy. How did you know I was talking about you Kumquat? Were you home schooled?

That is one ugly looking homosexual.

Patrick Henry said:
king, the Nazis had no right wing ideology. They wanted the government to control everything. That is leftist ideology. Have you ever noticed the word “socialist” in their name?
I get tired of the left making that analogy and also saying conservatives are fascist, an impossibility.

Fascism (pronounced /ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a radical and authoritarian nationalist political ideology. Fascists seek to organize a nation according to corporatist perspectives, values, and systems, including the political system and the economy.[Fascists believe that a nation is an organic community that requires strong leadership, singular collective identity, and the will and ability to commit violence and wage war in order to keep the nation strong.

singular collective identity
out with the RINO’s

Patrick Henry said:
Ted, would you like to offer any facts to dispute what I said, or as usual, do you just want to call names.

Here’s a fact for you bone-head. The moon is NOT made of green cheese. I know this is going to ruin your day. It’s up to you to offer up facts you nit-wit. Jesus – do you tea-baggers have an extra chromosome? Why are you like – so fucking stupid?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eEg_qLi0vaU&feature=youtube_gdata

Patrick Henry said:
Ted, would you like to offer any facts to dispute what I said, or as usual, do you just want to call names.

Statistically speaking, we’re looking at a 99% likelihood of name calling.

murf said:
Absolutely , as soon as Sullivan decided to make his personal gay agenda ahead of the party ,he lost his ways and many ways his soul. Now his obession with the Palins and liberal seeking appeasment , makes him worse than a liberal.. Writer — Did you know Robert Stephenson got caught astroturfing ? LOL! http://www.redstate.com/barrypopik/2010/01/28/austin-american-statesman-astroturfed-twice-by-democrats-doesnt-give-a-damn/

At least I feel like I know where Sullivan stands. He’s pretty open about his turnaround from the Iraq war, his dissociation with Conservative party, his homosexuality, his Catholicism, etc. I may not always agree with him, but he engages in debates and isn’t afraid to call out shrillness on either side.

But, just as you did with Charles Johnson of LGF, when one turns on the conservatives, hysteria ensues. He’s sincere, much more so than any of those bloggers you would praise. His Palin obsession comes more out of incredulity that the American people embrace this farce of a woman and her lies. He constantly documents her lies “Odd Lies of Sarah Palin”.

And, to the poster above who said the Tea Party was the majority of Americans is not correct (although, this is the Gallup poll you were referring to: http://www.gallup.com/poll/127181/tea-partiers-fairly-mainstream-demographics.aspx)

http://www.economist.com/research/articlesBySubject/displaystory.cfm?subjectid=7933596&story_id=17035460

http://www.publicreligion.org/research/?id=386

“Among the top findings:

The survey confirmed several attributes of the Tea Party movement. Compared to the general population, they are more likely to be non-Hispanic white, are more supportive of small government, are overwhelmingly supportive of Sarah Palin, and report that Fox News is their most trusted source of news about politics and current events.

But the survey challenged much of the other conventional wisdom about Americans who consider themselves part of the Tea Party movement:
—Nearly half (47%) also say they are part of the religious right or conservative Christian movement. Among the more than 8-in-10 (81%) who identify as Christian within the Tea Party movement, 57% also consider themselves part of the Christian conservative movement.

They make up just 11% of the adult population—half the size of the conservative Christian movement (22%).

They are mostly social conservatives, not libertarians on social issues. Nearly two-thirds (63%) say abortion should be illegal in all or most cases, and less than 1-in-5 (18%) support allowing gay and lesbian couples to marry.

They are largely Republican partisans. More than three-quarters say they identify with (48%) or lean towards (28%) the Republican Party. More than 8-in-10 (83%) say they are voting for or leaning towards Republican candidates in their districts, and nearly three-quarters (74%) of this group report usually supporting Republican candidates.

A majority (54%) of voters say they would be more likely to vote for a candidate who supported health care reform, including 51% of independent voters and 79% of Democratic voters. Nearly 6-in-10 (59%) Republican voters say they would be less likely to vote for a candidate who supported health care reform.
Nearly 6-in-10 (58%) Americans favor a policy that provides a future path to citizenship for undocumented immigrants who have been in the U.S. for several years. Three-quarters of Americans also say immigration reform policies should be decided at the national level.

Public support for same-sex marriage increased by 8 points from 2008 to 2010 (29% to 37%). Half of Democrats, 4-in-10 independents, and less than 1-in-5 (17%) Republicans support allowing gay and lesbian people to marry.

Over the past five years, significantly more Americans report their views have shifted on the issue of rights for gay and lesbian people than on the issue of abortion (25% to 14% respectively).

Also from the same Gallup polls that said demographically, Tea Partiers are similar to US adult population, it also says where they differ:

Over the past year, Tea Party movement activists — originally kindled by grass-roots opposition to the economic stimulus bill and taxpayer bailouts of homeowners — came out strongly against the Democrats’ national healthcare reform plans. That stance is evident in the latest USA Today/Gallup poll, in which 87% of Tea Party supporters — versus 50% of all Americans — say they consider passage of healthcare reform a bad thing.

While opposition to the healthcare bill is perhaps the most distinctive characteristic of Tea Party supporters in the new poll, their views on abortion are also notable. Nearly two-thirds consider themselves “pro-life” on the abortion issue, compared with 46% of all national adults.

So, suck it. TEAPers are a bunch of old, white, christian, conservative, FNC-loving people. So, if you wonder why so many people bash FNC vs. the other letters/cable channels it’s simple: you tend to use it as your source for “news”.

((cue the whaaaambulance, now))

That’s the King, Andy. And Patrick, yes, name calling is all Ted has got.

Andy Lamb said:
Statistically speaking, we’re looking at a 99% likelihood of name calling.

You’re a bright boy Andy!! Relatively speaking of course. That’s still a compliment!!

writer said:
That’s the King, Andy. And Patrick, yes, name calling is all Ted has got.

I beg to differ…Kumquat.

The defense rests, your honor.

notsofast said:
That is one ugly looking homosexual.

Maybe that is why is sooo angry…lol

Ted- said:
Here’s a fact for you bone-head. The moon is NOT made of green cheese. I know this is going to ruin your day. It’s up to you to offer up facts you nit-wit. Jesus – do you tea-baggers have an extra chromosome? Why are you like – so fucking stupid?

What, Ted, you can’t offer up any facts? Imagine that! Tou are an idiot and a dumbass.

writer said:
The defense rests, your honor.

You had better rest Kumquat, you’re starting to sound really dumb. Of course I know you’re not.

right-is-wrong said:
Fascism (pronounced /ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a radical and authoritarian nationalist political ideology. Fascists seek to organize a nation according to corporatist perspectives, values, and systems, including the political system and the economy.[Fascists believe that a nation is an organic community that requires strong leadership, singular collective identity, and the will and ability to commit violence and wage war in order to keep the nation strong.

singular collective identity

You call that right wing? How so?

Ted- said:
In fact, just last week I watched Fox “News” with an acquaintance and within minutes he was all lathered up and was sure were all going to die tomorrow or the next day and began speaking in tea-bag-ese

So you and a ” acquaintance ” were at a teabaggin’ party watching FOX , and your acquaintance got lathered up , did you apply the lotion ?

Ted, all of us know you got nuthin’. Pathetic.

Patrick Henry said:
What, Ted, you can’t offer up any facts? Imagine that! Tou are an idiot and a dumbass.

Brain-stem. You’ve been sucking on the teat of Glenn Beck for too long and your mind is pickled.

murf said:
So you and a ” acquaintance ” were at a teabaggin’ party watching FOX , and your acquaintance got lathered up , did you apply the lotion ?

You seem to know something about that? Care to share?

Patrick Henry said:
Ted, all of us know you got nuthin’. Pathetic.

What you have Patty is a brain-stem.

Ted- said:
Brain-stem. You’ve been sucking on the teat of Glenn Beck for too long and your mind is pickled.

That is funny. I rarely watch Beck. I agree with his views on many things, and not on other things.
Now, have you got anything to back up that nazis were not left wing or not?

Patrick Henry said:
That is funny. I rarely watch Beck. I agree with his views on many things, and not on other things.
Now, have you got anything to back up that nazis were not left wing or not?

You made the absolutely idiotic claim; most third graders understand the difference, evidently you don’t. Either that or you never bothered to pick up fucking book and read it. – YOU back it up dumb-shit. And it looks like you idiots are capable of name calling after all. Oops.

Ted- said:
You seem to know something about that? Care to share?

Can’t relate pal , sorry . Thanks for sharing though Ted . Remember it’s a process. Baby steps Ted , baby steps..

murf said:
Can’t relate pal , sorry . Thanks for sharing though Ted . Remember it’s a process. Baby steps Ted , baby steps..

No, I think you can.

I don’t care, I want to hear him spout of on Trig some more….. This guy, I mean who cares what the hell he says now. He has been all over the place on everything. I actually thought that he spent his days indoors, thinking up new and interesting ways of attacking Israel, so must admit, it is strange to see him outdoors auditioning for the Geaorge the Animal Steel part in that new Biopic.

Ted- said:
No, I think you can.

Before. I go I must know somthing, another area you sound familar in, is this tea-bag-ese language. Is that when the testicles are in your mouth and you try to talk ?

Patrick Henry said:
the will and ability to commit violence and wage war in order to keep the nation strong.

This part: “the will and ability to commit violence and wage war in order to keep the nation strong.” Fascism is expansionist by definition. It’s waaaaay over to the right. ;-)

notsofast said:
That is one ugly looking homosexual.

Checking out the gays again?

I want to know what that beard of his set out to do.

murf said:
Before. I go I must know somthing, another area you sound familar in, is this tea-bag-ese language. Is that when the testicles are in your mouth and you try to talk ?

You’re the expert.

OK. Ted, here you go:
Hitler preached class warfare, encouraging the working class to resist exploitation by capitalists — particularly Jewish capitalists.
He called for the nationalization of education, health care, transportation, and other major industries.
He started and enforced a strict gun control regimen.
He encouraged pornography, illegitimacy, and abortion, and he denounced and hounded Christians as right-wing fanatics.

Doesn’t sound conservative or “right wing” to me.

I disagree with about half of everything Sullivan says, but I admire his ability to compartmentalize, which is what’s so confusing to the ordinarily monolithic right wing. I understand it’s confusing to a lock-step conservative for a person who initially supported the Iraq war to change his mind and conclude that the Iraq war was wrong. I understand that people who have been enjoying the religious frenzy they’ve been whipped into would think of Sullivan as anti-Christian, despite his open Catholicism, because he doesn’t just jump on the “Islamo-fascism” bandwagon. And I understand how hard it is to see someone once considered a hero of the ultra-right – like David Brock (“Blinded by the Right”) – defect to reason. So it’s no shock at all that so many hysterical right wing comments accompany this article – no surprise at all. ;-)

Paul Westlake said:
This part: “the will and ability to commit violence and wage war in order to keep the nation strong.” Fascism is expansionist by definition. It’s waaaaay over to the right. ;-)

Paul, the right believes in a strong military to defend our country and our freedom, period. When have we bben expansionist or imperialist?

Patrick Henry said:
OK. Ted, here you go:
Hitler preached class warfare, encouraging the working class to resist exploitation by capitalists — particularly Jewish capitalists.
He called for the nationalization of education, health care, transportation, and other major industries.
He started and enforced a strict gun control regimen.
He encouraged pornography, illegitimacy, and abortion, and he denounced and hounded Christians as right-wing fanatics.

Doesn’t sound conservative or “right wing” to me.

Where did you get this? It’s very hard to have an intellectual conversation with a tea-bagger, let alone one who thinks that they’ve proven in a paragraph that the Nazi’s were somehow left-wing. They were not of course; they were considered right wing – far right wing. It was the commies who were considered left wing. Now, do I have it backwards? Are you suggesting you tea-baggers are commie pinkos?

Ted- said:
Where did you get this? It’s very hard to have an intellectual conversation with a tea-bagger, let alone one who thinks that they’ve proven in a paragraph that the Nazi’s were somehow left-wing. They were not of course; they were considered right wing – far right wing. It was the commies who were considered left wing. Now, do I have it backwards? Are you suggesting you tea-baggers are commie pinkos?

So, Ted, your argument is because the communists were left wing, the nazis had to be right wing. Very persuasive!

Harry Flashman said:
Blair,

In answer to your question, yeah, business as usual won’t cut it this time. And if the republicans don’t listen they’ll be out of jobs in the next election cycle the same as the dems in this one.

The replacements? The Tea Party, that the main stream politicians have been so casually dismissive of, will be huge in number by then and will take the seats the bench warming lumps that now occupy them hold.

Let’s see how they sneer then.

I appreciate your answer and I am glad to see some people being honest about it. I have to say that I am sympathetic to the anti-spending rhetoric of the tea party, but I am skeptic as to whether this rage will continue after the Republicans take back over and do the same things they did (in conjunction with the Democrats) to get us to here. If that anger continues after the teams change, I’d join. Until then, I watch and doubt.

Patrick Henry said:
So, Ted, your argument is because the communists were left wing, the nazis had to be right wing. Very persuasive!

I think we now know that you basically pull your facts from you big fat smelly ass you commie pinko.

“taken a moment of great crisis in this country and seen nothing but short term political advantage.” Andrew Sullivan

Kinda like Obama did in 2008 dumb ass? Thought so.

gordonbloyershow said:
Yes, that is very funny, Obama as an adult. LOL

Obama has destroyed the democrat party all by himself. A truley great feat. We are all very grateful to him.

Seriously, why are you here? Do you have anything to add other than this?

Can you really call a show “show” when it is being watched by as many people as the ranting guy on the 7 train? Although at least he is funny.

Patrick Henry said:
OK. Ted, here you go:
Hitler preached class warfare, encouraging the working class to resist exploitation by capitalists — particularly Jewish capitalists.
He called for the nationalization of education, health care, transportation, and other major industries.
He started and enforced a strict gun control regimen.
He encouraged pornography, illegitimacy, and abortion, and he denounced and hounded Christians as right-wing fanatics.

Doesn’t sound conservative or “right wing” to me.

No, PH, not cool.

1) Class warfare is nothing new on earth, it’s been around since we left the caves. We’ve never been one big happy family.

2) No, not “particularly” Jewish capitalists, exclusively Jewish capitalists (and the gays!)

3) Hitler didn’t wind up nationalizing much of anything, and not because it was a difficult political sell – he was Hitler! The true socialists from the Nazi party were purged by 1937.

4) Gun control – correct! ;-)

5) He didn’t encourage any of those things, and actively pursued those “deviants” as impurities within the “master race,” from homosexuals to prostitutes. Everything was about the perfect image of a the clean, muscular, German, master race specimen. Everything else was flotsam to the Nazis in general and Hitler in particular.

Nothing ever fits the neat poli-sci definitions, like ‘socialism” or “fascism,” but Nazi Germany was waaaaay closer to fascism than socialism. Just like the Soviet Socialist Republics (or the “defense of Marriage Act”, for domestic instance), giving something a particular name doesn’t mean the thing has the characteristics implied by that name.

Like “Bounty.” What bounty do we find in paper towels? I find none. At least Cheerios really are what they’re called – cheery Os. ;-)

Show me someone who ‘declares’ that Obama is ‘The Only Adult in the Room’ and I’ll show you a deluded, mind-numbed Leftist robot. A President who can’t go to an elementary-school classroom without teleprompters is defined as an ‘adult?’ The only thing missing from Liberals today is the Jonestown Kool-Aid. But, boy, I wish they had it.

Blair Maury said:
Seriously, why are you here? Do you have anything to add other than this?

Can you really call a show “show” when it is being watched by as many people as the ranting guy on the 7 train? Although at least he is funny.

I prefer the Jesus proselytizer on the A train. She has pipes! ;-)

Ted- said:
I think we now know that you basically pull your facts from you big fat smelly ass you commie pinko.

Gave up, huh, Teddy? So now I guess conservatives are “commies” also. It fits with your misguided logic.

Paul Westlake said:
No, PH, not cool.

1) Class warfare is nothing new on earth, it’s been around since we left the caves. We’ve never been one big happy family.

2) No, not “particularly” Jewish capitalists, exclusively Jewish capitalists (and the gays!)

3) Hitler didn’t wind up nationalizing much of anything, and not because it was a difficult political sell – he was Hitler! The true socialists from the Nazi party were purged by 1937.

4) Gun control – correct! ;-)

5) He didn’t encourage any of those things, and actively pursued those “deviants” as impurities within the “master race,” from homosexuals to prostitutes. Everything was about the perfect image of a the clean, muscular, German, master race specimen. Everything else was flotsam to the Nazis in general and Hitler in particular.

Nothing ever fits the neat poli-sci definitions, like ’socialism” or “fascism,” but Nazi Germany was waaaaay closer to fascism than socialism. Just like the Soviet Socialist Republics (or the “defense of Marriage Act”, for domestic instance), giving something a particular name doesn’t mean the thing has the characteristics implied by that name.

Like “Bounty.” What bounty do we find in paper towels? I find none. At least Cheerios really are what they’re called – cheery Os. ;-)

As I said, Patty sucks frequently at the teat of Glenn Beck and is on a steady diet of bullshit.

Sullivan seems to be cultivating a Tolstoy or Solzenitsn look. Of course, he has nothing of either man’s gravitas. Also, I don’t think Lev or Aleksander ever posted lurid sex ads in cheap sidewalk smut rags.

ChrisNH said:
The only thing missing from Liberals today is the Jonestown Kool-Aid. But, boy, I wish they had it.

So, you wish liberals would drink poisoned kool-aid and die. Sounds about right for the hysterical reactionary mindset, just didn’t think it was OK to vocalize that BEFORE the election. Ah, well.

Patrick Henry said:
Gave up, huh, Teddy? So now I guess conservatives are “commies” also. It fits with your misguided logic.

Not that hard to give up on a fucking brain stem. i can have a more intellectual conversation with a door knob than one of you dopey tea-baggers.

Ted, PH can be reasonable, so I’ll give him a chance to come up with some damn good evidence or back off his “Nazis weren’t fascists” routine.

But, PH, don’t make me look bad here, kiddo. You can’t just leave that one dangling. It’s already bad enough that we’re even discussing Hitler, but sanitizing the fascist legacy of the Nazis is pretty hard core. You should probably just reel that back in and move on.

Drawing from the Repug base – the ill-bred, ill-born, uneducted, uncultured, unbathed rancid masses. How easy they are to spot!!

Paul Westlake said:
Ted, PH can be reasonable, so I’ll give him a chance to come up with some damn good evidence or back off his “Nazis weren’t fascists” routine.

But, PH, don’t make me look bad here, kiddo. You can’t just leave that one dangling. It’s already bad enough that we’re even discussing Hitler, but sanitizing the fascist legacy of the Nazis is pretty hard core. You should probably just reel that back in and move on.

Good luck.

Ted- said:
Good luck.

I hear that. ;-)

Paul Westlake said:
No, PH, not cool.

1) Class warfare is nothing new on earth, it’s been around since we left the caves. We’ve never been one big happy family.

2) No, not “particularly” Jewish capitalists, exclusively Jewish capitalists (and the gays!)

3) Hitler didn’t wind up nationalizing much of anything, and not because it was a difficult political sell – he was Hitler! The true socialists from the Nazi party were purged by 1937.

4) Gun control – correct! ;-)

5) He didn’t encourage any of those things, and actively pursued those “deviants” as impurities within the “master race,” from homosexuals to prostitutes. Everything was about the perfect image of a the clean, muscular, German, master race specimen. Everything else was flotsam to the Nazis in general and Hitler in particular.

Nothing ever fits the neat poli-sci definitions, like ’socialism” or “fascism,” but Nazi Germany was waaaaay closer to fascism than socialism. Just like the Soviet Socialist Republics (or the “defense of Marriage Act”, for domestic instance), giving something a particular name doesn’t mean the thing has the characteristics implied by that name.

Like “Bounty.” What bounty do we find in paper towels? I find none. At least Cheerios really are what they’re called – cheery Os. ;-)

Paul, I appreciate the debate rather than the name calling someone else on here does.
1) Even though class warfare has been around forever, the nazis tried to heighten it.
2) Hitler was definitely against Jewish capitalists, but he was also against small businessmen of any religion.
3) He did away with labor unions and put in his own state run labor organizations. Hitler despised capitalism.
5) h did encourage promiscuity and had soldiers inseminate as many German girls as possible on their furloughs to increase Germany’s manpower. There were special facilities set up to care for these unwed mothers. He encouraged abortion of those who were not purely “Arian”. He also went after Christians and Christianity-read “Bonnhoeffer”.

This all came about due to king comparing Tea Partiers to the nazis movement. That is absurd and I don’t appreciate it. I do however enjoy our discussions. If only there were fewer Teds in the world.

Patrick Henry said:
Paul, the right believes in a strong military to defend our country and our freedom, period. When have we bben expansionist or imperialist?

Really? “Manifest Destiny” means nothing to you? You know we conquered half of Mexico, right? Bought Louisiana Territory from a European power that didn’t own and couldn’t control it, because it gave us carte blanche to assume it was unoccupied – but it was occupied, by Native Americans, who were slaughtered to make way for the American continental empire, from sea to shining sea. Cuba, Puerto Rico, Hawaii, Guam, Samoa, the Philippines, and more. We’re not expansionist? We’re not an empire? PH, seriously, I think it’s great that Americans are trying to inform themselves on the history of Revolutionary America, but glossing over the Indian wars, the broken treaties, the Pacific expansion, the Mexican heist, and more, is just willful denial of reality. I’m not saying Mexico should get their land back – those were a bunch of European imperialists, too, and we won. But you can’t say we have never exhibited those characteristics. And our military presence in more than a hundred nations, right now, is pretty clear evidence of American economic hegemony. So, yeah, we’re pretty expansionist, pretty fucking hyper expansionist by some definitions. That doesn’t make us fascist, remember, the definitions are never tidy, but we are an empire, plain and simple.

Patrick Henry said:
Paul, I appreciate the debate rather than the name calling someone else on here does.
1) Even though class warfare has been around forever, the nazis tried to heighten it.
2) Hitler was definitely against Jewish capitalists, but he was also against small businessmen of any religion.
3) He did away with labor unions and put in his own state run labor organizations. Hitler despised capitalism.
5) h did encourage promiscuity and had soldiers inseminate as many German girls as possible on their furloughs to increase Germany’s manpower. There were special facilities set up to care for these unwed mothers. He encouraged abortion of those who were not purely “Arian”. He also went after Christians and Christianity-read “Bonnhoeffer”.

This all came about due to king comparing Tea Partiers to the nazis movement. That is absurd and I don’t appreciate it. I do however enjoy our discussions. If only there were fewer Teds in the world.

Hey dip shit I do believe you called me a dumb ass you hypocritical tea-bagging moron.

Ted- said:
Hey dip shit I do believe you called me a dumb ass you hypocritical tea-bagging moron.

I called you an idiot as well. Not hypocritical at all. I said all you do is call names, which is true. You never offer anything else. Dipshit.

Patrick Henry said:
Paul, I appreciate the debate rather than the name calling someone else on here does.
1) Even though class warfare has been around forever, the nazis tried to heighten it.
2) Hitler was definitely against Jewish capitalists, but he was also against small businessmen of any religion.
3) He did away with labor unions and put in his own state run labor organizations. Hitler despised capitalism.
5) h did encourage promiscuity and had soldiers inseminate as many German girls as possible on their furloughs to increase Germany’s manpower. There were special facilities set up to care for these unwed mothers. He encouraged abortion of those who were not purely “Arian”. He also went after Christians and Christianity-read “Bonnhoeffer”.

1) Nazis tried to use every wedge issue possible to obtain power, and class warfare is always an easy sell, due it’s rather ubiquitous history.

2) He wasn’t “against” small business, per se, he was creating a war machine and consolidation was necessary for its success. But he just destroyed Jews where ever they were found, all walk of life, gays and blacks, too, remember. Nobody “belonged” in the master race but the master race.

3) Well, unions are the wrong bogieman for this discussion, since there’s an awful lot of conservative Americans who would do the exact same thing right now in America. The Nazi “Charter of Labor” gave owners and businesses total control over their workforce – not very socialist, and in fact, very much like the ultimate goal of many ruling-class conservatives today, all over the world.

5) The key component, of course, is the abortions for babies not good enough for the master race – it wasn’t reproductive rights that Hitler was protecting, it was the fascist master race.

And sure he went after some Christians, the ones that didn’t play ball and give him the information he wanted, like people who had left the church due to marriage, and presumably may have converted to Judaism. Hitler and the Nazis were not just evil, they were smart propagandists. They knew exactly which buttons to push, how hard, and for how long, to get the desired result. Once the outcome was achieved, the meme died, and a new one took its place. That’s how they operated. It’s a fool’s errand to follow the ways of the Nazis and try to discover any politically relevant “ism” within. They were a machine of deception, illusion, and terror – and all of them had hookers and drugs on the side. It’s a bad scene and best left to historians to sort out, imo. ;-)

Paul Westlake said:
Ted, PH can be reasonable, so I’ll give him a chance to come up with some damn good evidence or back off his “Nazis weren’t fascists” routine.

But, PH, don’t make me look bad here, kiddo. You can’t just leave that one dangling. It’s already bad enough that we’re even discussing Hitler, but sanitizing the fascist legacy of the Nazis is pretty hard core. You should probably just reel that back in and move on.

Paul, the fact that you agree with Ted on everything because he is to the left says alot. You honestly know he never says anything of substance, just insults. There is no use debating on this site. No one will ever change their mind. I usually remember that and don’t get in to long arguments, uh, debates. The only reason I come here anymore is to rag on the posters that are really despicable, such as Ted. You can spin it however you want, but naziism and conservatism are not in any way alike. Hav a good evening! :)

Patrick Henry said:
I called you an idiot as well. Not hypocritical at all. I said all you do is call names, which is true. You never offer anything else. Dipshit.

As a tea-bagger you never disappoint. Brain-stem.

Patrick Henry said:
Paul, the fact that you agree with Ted on everything because he is to the left says alot. You honestly know he never says anything of substance, just insults. There is no use debating on this site. No one will ever change their mind. I usually remember that and don’t get in to long arguments, uh, debates. The only reason I come here anymore is to rag on the posters that are really despicable, such as Ted. You can spin it however you want, but naziism and conservatism are not in any way alike. Hav a good evening! :)

You are a dip shit of epic proportions. Keep sucking on the teat of Glenn Beck and go through life as a complete dumb shit., You make most tea-baggers look like Einstein.

Patrick Henry said:
Paul, the fact that you agree with Ted on everything because he is to the left says alot. You honestly know he never says anything of substance, just insults. There is no use debating on this site. No one will ever change their mind. I usually remember that and don’t get in to long arguments, uh, debates. The only reason I come here anymore is to rag on the posters that are really despicable, such as Ted. You can spin it however you want, but naziism and conservatism are not in any way alike. Hav a good evening! :)

PS – You should change your user name to Stalin you fucking commie pinko.

Facism is neither right or left. The majority of facist governments were both anti-conservative and anti-liberal. Facism opposes individual freedom and democracy. It advocates government intervention in the economy. Although facist states were supporters of capitalism, it was really more like “state capitalism” where corporations existed to support the government. Although facist Germany and Hitler opposed welfare, facist Italy spent huge amouonts of money on social health and welfare programs. Adolf Hitler was a lunatic, to compare facist Germany to any political party or movement in the U.S. today is just plain crazy.

Patrick Henry said:
Paul, the fact that you agree with Ted on everything because he is to the left says alot. You honestly know he never says anything of substance, just insults. There is no use debating on this site. No one will ever change their mind. I usually remember that and don’t get in to long arguments, uh, debates. The only reason I come here anymore is to rag on the posters that are really despicable, such as Ted. You can spin it however you want, but naziism and conservatism are not in any way alike. Hav a good evening! :)

I dunno, this has substance…

Ted- said:
Sullivan is right of course. In fact, just last week I watched Fox “News” with an acquaintance and within minutes he was all lathered up and was sure were all going to die tomorrow or the next day and began speaking in tea-bag-ese. I’m not sure what as more entertaining, Fox “News” or the guy speaking tea-bag-ese.

Not substance that generally inspires happy thoughts for you but substance nonetheless. And, yeah, I agree with Ted’s politics, and I understand, completely, why he doesn’t bother with much more than insults around here. If anyone is the fool between Ted and I, it’s me, for giving people like Gordon and Felix and Pappy the time of day. Ted isn’t tilting at windmills, he’s sitting on the roof picking at the tiles – I’M the one doing the Don Quixote routine, for what it’s worth. ;-)

Andy Lamb said:
Facism is neither right or left. The majority of facist governments were both anti-conservative and anti-liberal. Facism opposes individual freedom and democracy. It advocates government intervention in the economy. Although facist states were supporters of capitalism, it was really more like “state capitalism” where corporations existed to support the government. Although facist Germany and Hitler opposed welfare, facist Italy spent huge amouonts of money on social health and welfare programs. Adolf Hitler was a lunatic, to compare facist Germany to any political party or movement in the U.S. today is just plain crazy.

That is about the best assessment so far. The best move, whenever Hitler and/or Nazis come up in a discussion on American politics, is to say “whoops” and move on. That was a singular time period in world history, one we’ll hopefully never revisit. And the 20th century fascists were so all over the map (let’s not forget imperial Japan, with yet a third brand of fascism) that it’s impossible to derive any lessons from them, other than, “don’t be that guy.” ;-)

Andy Lamb said:
Facism is neither right or left. The majority of facist governments were both anti-conservative and anti-liberal. Facism opposes individual freedom and democracy. It advocates government intervention in the economy. Although facist states were supporters of capitalism, it was really more like “state capitalism” where corporations existed to support the government. Although facist Germany and Hitler opposed welfare, facist Italy spent huge amouonts of money on social health and welfare programs. Adolf Hitler was a lunatic, to compare facist Germany to any political party or movement in the U.S. today is just plain crazy.

Wrong. Fascism is right – FAR right. There is not doubt about this, You are simply misguided.

Harry Flashman says: “I’m describing democracy and the sleeping giant you lefties have awakened with your smug arrogance and your absolute confidence that you had established some sort of new reality for America.”

Another Beckerhead. Ironically, it’s Beck who’s arrogant about things that he’s utterly ignorant about.

There is a new reality in America, at least for this century: we have an intelligent President. Naturally, that produced a backlash.
http://www.sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/2010/10/home-disclaimer-contents-for-glenn-beck.html

Paul Westlake said:
I dunno, this has substance…

Not substance that generally inspires happy thoughts for you but substance nonetheless. And, yeah, I agree with Ted’s politics, and I understand, completely, why he doesn’t bother with much more than insults around here. If anyone is the fool between Ted and I, it’s me, for giving people like Gordon and Felix and Pappy the time of day. Ted isn’t tilting at windmills, he’s sitting on the roof picking at the tiles – I’M the one doing the Don Quixote routine, for what it’s worth. ;-)

Paul, do you realize how much of a tool , you come across as ? You’re one of those guys who looks down their nose at others you classify as non-intellectual . What a snide , pathetic life you live .You and your arrogant thumb-your-nose -at- others- party will be rejected at the polls for years and years to come . I hope it was worth it . American’s are going back to the center-right principles that founded this country .Enjoy the view from the rear.

Ted- said:
Wrong. Fascism is right – FAR right. There is not doubt about this, You are simply misguided.

I was just going to clarify, Andy nailed it with respect to the World War 2 fascists, but what is described as fascism today doesn’t include any of the Italian notions of welfare, etc. The reason conservatives sometimes think fascism isn’t right or left is becasue of the definition:

“a governmental system led by a dictator having complete power, forcibly suppressing opposition and criticism, regimenting all industry, commerce, etc., and emphasizing an aggressive nationalism and often racism.

The ‘regimenting all industry, commerce, etc” part gives them the impression that it’s like communism, which is decidedly far left. But in fact, that’s just where the two meet at the back of the circle. Fascism is, in all other respects, right wing.

The problem with Sullivan’s frontal cortex was brought about by having too many teabags slamming against his forehead.

And being an Obama suck-up is “unfashionable”? Since when? All the elites love Obama…it’s just that the rest of the country can see right through the cunning, manipulative fraud that he is.

Sullivan is irrelevant. He spewed way too much Trig-truther garbage to ever be taken seriuously again.

Ted- said:
You should change your user name to Stalin you fucking commie pinko.

Contestant: “I’ll take World War II trivia for 800, Alex.

Alex Trebek: “Adolf Hitler said this to General Wenck when he reported that any attempt to save Berlin would prove futile”

murf said:
Paul, do you realize how much of a tool , you come across as ? You’re one of those guys who looks down their nose at others you classify as non-intellectual . What a snide , pathetic life you live .You and your arrogant thumb-your-nose -at- others- party will be rejected at the polls for years and years to come . I hope it was worth it . American’s are going back to the center-right principles that founded this country .Enjoy the view from the rear.

You’re one of the reasons Ted doesn’t play nice. And one of the people I refuse to play nice with, because you paint with one of the broadest brushes here and cry when it gets thrown your way. And you throw insults around like a Felix the Feral Cat, spraying everything to put your mark on it, though all it does is stink up the place. I mean, seriously, who says stupid shit like,

murf said:
What a snide , pathetic life you live .

Ohm that’s right, you do.

And lastly:

murf said:
American’s are going back to the center-right principles that founded this country

America was founded by liberals. Conservatives back then were called Tories and they supported the British. I would tell you to go get an education, but with a colander for a brain, it would just be a waste.

murf said:
Paul, do you realize how much of a tool , you come across as ? You’re one of those guys who looks down their nose at others you classify as non-intellectual . What a snide , pathetic life you live .You and your arrogant thumb-your-nose -at- others- party will be rejected at the polls for years and years to come . I hope it was worth it . American’s are going back to the center-right principles that founded this country .Enjoy the view from the rear.

You can not expect to have an intellectual conversation with this brain stem. This moron believes that the sun sets in the east and rises in the west. Murf actually attends special education classes.

Ted- said:
You are a dip shit of epic proportions. Keep sucking on the teat of Glenn Beck and go through life as a complete dumb shit., You make most tea-baggers look like Einstein.

Contestant: “I’ll take MSNBC news programming for 600, Alex.”

Alex Trebek: “Keith Olbermann said this to Joe Scarborough when he questioned the wisdom of raising taxes during a sluggish economy”

Ted- said:
You can not expect to have an intellectual conversation with this brain stem. This moron believes that the sun sets in the east and rises in the west. Murf actually attends special education classes.

Murf is a waste. No doubt about it.

Andy Lamb said:
Contestant: “I’ll take MSNBC news programming for 600, Alex.”

Alex Trebek: “Keith Olbermann said this to Joe Scarborough when he questioned the wisdom of raising taxes during a sluggish economy”

You are an idiot, just in case there was any question.

Andy Lamb said:
Contestant: “I’ll take MSNBC news programming for 600, Alex.”

Alex Trebek: “Keith Olbermann said this to Joe Scarborough when he questioned the wisdom of raising taxes during a sluggish economy”

Andy, Joe Scarborough is off-limits to the rest of the MSNBC crew or Keith would have torn him so many new assholes that Joe would just be a pile of shit in a chair by now… oh, wait. ;-)

Paul Westlake said:
America was founded by liberals. Conservatives back then were called Tories and they supported the British. I would tell you to go get an education, but with a colander for a brain, it would just be a waste.

You and the rest of your liberals keep believing that myth , you honestly think the founders were like TODAY’s progressives ? –the party of big govt , handouts , higher taxes ?

What a joke , Daily Kos is missing an idiot .

murf said:
You and the rest of your liberals keep believing that myth , you honestly think the founders were like TODAY’s progressives ? –the party of big govt , handouts , higher taxes ?

There were NO taxes owed to ANY American government at the time of the nation’s founding because there was NO America until that happened, idiot. They weren’t against “taxation.” They were against “taxation without representation.” And comparing the agrarian economy of Revolutionary America with the consumer economy of today is beyond ignorant. Seriously, brain cells are just wasted inside your skull.

Paul Westlake said:
You’re one of the reasons Ted doesn’t play nice.

Bullshit. Ted doesn’t “play nice” simply because he is an asshole. The fact that he is a liberal makes it that much worse.

murf said:
You and the rest of your liberals keep believing that myth , you honestly think the founders were like TODAY’s progressives ? –the party of big govt , handouts , higher taxes ?

What a joke , Daily Kos is missing an idiot .

You must be a gluten for punishment. Even by tea-bag standards you are a dumb shit. Murf – I actually think you understand at least that much about yourself. You are clearly not the sharpest knife in the drawer, or even the dullest. Basically you are the asshole of America. And you smell very bad.

Patrick Henry said:
Bullshit. Ted doesn’t “play nice” simply because he is an asshole. The fact that he is a liberal makes it that much worse.

Ted doesn’t play nice because he has to deal with brain stems like Patty the fucking commie pinko.

Paul Westlake said:
I dunno, this has substance…

Ted- said:
Sullivan is right of course. In fact, just last week I watched Fox “News” with an acquaintance and within minutes he was all lathered up and was sure were all going to die tomorrow or the next day and began speaking in tea-bag-ese. I’m not sure what as more entertaining, Fox “News” or the guy speaking tea-bag-ese.

That has substance? What, that he has an acquaintance or that he knows how to turn on a tv

Patrick Henry said:
The fact that he is a liberal makes it that much worse.

Your isms are showing. ;-)

Patrick Henry said:
That has substance? What, that he has an acquaintance or that he knows how to turn on a tv

Sure it does. He said he agreed with Sullivan and that the hysteria of the Tea Party acquaintance he was with gave him amusement. You don’t have to agree with it, but it had substance. Just saying. ;-)

Ok, so let me get this straight, unless we adults exhibit a severe lack of bladder control at the mere mention of ‘Barack Hussain Obama’, collapse in the shear excitement of seeing his picture with some adoring acolytes that we aren’t allowed to make comments? Yeah Yeah I know, that pesky Constitution keeps getting in the way, I’m sure that if our Dear Leader has his way that little problem will be taken care of.

Ted, you call me an idiot and I can only laugh my ass off. On the intellectual scale, I am Copernicus, you are Rocky Balboa.

UpChuck.Liberals said:
Ok, so let me get this straight, unless we adults exhibit a severe lack of bladder control at the mere mention of ‘Barack Hussain Obama’, collapse in the shear excitement of seeing his picture with some adoring acolytes that we aren’t allowed to make comments? Yeah Yeah I know, that pesky Constitution keeps getting in the way, I’m sure that if our Dear Leader has his way that little problem will be taken care of.

Well that came out of left field… I mean right field. LOL

You know what, my first vote for President was cast for Michael Dukakis. NOBODY has suffered here like I have! ;-)

Patrick Henry said:
That has substance? What, that he has an acquaintance or that he knows how to turn on a tv

What a big fucking baby. Can I get you a diaper?

Ted- said:
You must be a gluten for punishment. Even by tea-bag standards you are a dumb shit. Murf – I actually think you understand at least that much about yourself. You are clearly not the sharpest knife in the drawer, or even the dullest. Basically you are the asshole of America. And you smell very bad.

You and your loyal fluffer Paul enjoy your night .

Seriously , who would torture themselves day after day with us ” dumbshits “?

Low self esteemed , social misfits who get a charge from interactions with others by degrading and insulting others intelligence over the Internet ( never in person ) .. It’s been fun..

And Paul you didn’t answer my question .. Like.. at all ..Don’t worry though I know the truth , so forget it.

Murf said:
You and the rest of your liberals keep believing that myth , you honestly think the founders were like TODAY’s progressives ? –the party of big govt , handouts , higher taxes ?
What a joke , Daily Kos is missing an idiot .

Ted- said:
You must be a gluten for punishment. You are clearly not the sharpest knife in the drawer, or even the dullest. Basically you are the asshole of America. And you smell very bad.

Hear that Murf, you are a gluten, a protein composite that appears in some processed foods……and the asshole of America……..and smelly.

Ted, the stuff you post is priceless, seriously. Even the folks you throw juvenile bombs at MUST get a good laugh from your comments.

@murf

Until the term/phrase/word Liberal was usurped by the Socialist morons that seem content to pee when they see/hear their Dear Leader blather on with meaningless, incoherent words. Liberal use to mean:Liberalism (from the Latin liberalis, “of freedom”[1]) is the belief in the importance of individual liberty and equal rights.[2] Liberals espouse a wide array of views depending on their understanding of these principles, but most liberals support such fundamental ideas as constitutions, liberal democracy, free and fair elections, human rights, capitalism, free trade, and the separation of church and state.

So, in the interest of accuracy let’s call them what they really are, Socialists, people that are too stupid to realize that it’s been tried for centuries and has been a failure each and every time.

Andy Lamb said:
Hear that Murf, you are a gluten, a protein composite that appears in some processed foods……and the asshole of America……..and smelly.

Ted, the stuff you post is priceless, seriously. Even the folks you throw juvenile bombs at MUST get a good laugh from your comments.

You are sincerely an idiot.

murf said:
You and your loyal fluffer Paul enjoy your night .

Seriously , who would torture themselves day after day with us ” dumbshits “?

Low self esteemed , social misfits who get a charge from interactions with others by degrading and insulting others intelligence over the Internet ( never in person ) .. It’s been fun..

And Paul you didn’t answer my question .. Like.. at all ..Don’t worry though I know the truth , so forget it.

Murf – I’m sure you must have something important to say. Perhaps a a fellow brain stem might find you intriguing. I on the other hand consider you nothing less than a dumb ass, But you at least understand that much don’t you? You do understand that right?

paul i dont agree with you on politics but mostly you are nice or at least civil, this ted guy is funny as shit, he is on the left accussing the right of the same thing he does, it is funny

UpChuck.Liberals said:
@murf

Precisely. Which was why I put in caps ” TODAY’s ” progressives , and was not answered.

Andy Lamb said:
Hear that Murf, you are a gluten, a protein composite that appears in some processed foods……and the asshole of America……..and smelly.

LOL

cd ohio said:
paul i dont agree with you on politics but mostly you are nice or at least civil, this ted guy is funny as shit, he is on the left accussing the right of the same thing he does, it is funny

Good Christ, here is a tea-bagger with the balls to actually admit he’s from Ohio.

Paul Westlake said:
There were NO taxes owed to ANY American government at the time of the nation’s founding because there was NO America until that happened, idiot. They weren’t against “taxation.” They were against “taxation without representation.” And comparing the agrarian economy of Revolutionary America with the consumer economy of today is beyond ignorant. Seriously, brain cells are just wasted inside your skull.

I’ve been following this conversation, and the average tea bagger’s lack of knowledge regarding our own nation’s history and political systems in general is breath taking. Coupled with their misunderstanding of world politics and movements through the ages (especially during the more crucial eras), and I’m beginning to see why they’re often irrational.

I used to get a kick out their ignorance – like when they illogically call people “facist communist”, or don’t understand what a republic is, or make direct comparisons between the economics of Revolutionary era America to today’s, or lack such a fundamental scientific education that they believe the fallacies of radio show hosts on the complex matters of climate change, etc, etc, etc.

But after months of witnessing and hearing this, I’m truly concerned about what their lack of a fundamental historical, political and scientific education means to the well being of long term political discourse and legislation in this country. I mean, Murf, who is actually one of the more clever of the tea baggers here, just displayed a fantastically remarkable ignorance of historical facts – well covered history understood by most high school students, let alone functioning adults with the ability to cast a vote.

wrong again

cd ohio said:
paul i dont agree with you on politics but mostly you are nice or at least civil, this ted guy is funny as shit, he is on the left accussing the right of the same thing he does, it is funny

I appreciate the credit you give me and I know Ted spends most of his time flaming conservatives mercilessly. The thing is, it is the perfect reflection of people like notsofast/norbit/whatever that mostly throw similarly unsubstantiated bombs at liberals. And since Ted and I are on the same side of ideological divide, I can just sit back and watch the performance. And for the most part, I do the same with the notsoswifts around here, too. Once I know what I’m dealing with, I usually only engage when they engage me, and then only to crack a smartass remark and piss them off even more. ;-)

The unfettered nature of the Mediaite boards is a sociologist’s dream… or nightmare. Take yer pick. ;-)

i guess that people would call me a coward because i dont tote a party line (left or right) because everything can not be reduced down to a sound bite

Paul Westlake said:
I appreciate the credit you give me and I know Ted spends most of his time flaming conservatives mercilessly. The thing is, it is the perfect reflection of people like notsofast/norbit/whatever that mostly throw similarly unsubstantiated bombs at liberals. And since Ted and I are on the same side of ideological divide, I can just sit back and watch the performance. And for the most part, I do the same with the notsoswifts around here, too. Once I know what I’m dealing with, I usually only engage when they engage me, and then only to crack a smartass remark and piss them off even more. ;-)

The unfettered nature of the Mediaite boards is a sociologist’s dream… or nightmare. Take yer pick. ;-)

Paul – Well said. Very nice.

i am liberal on some issues and conservative on others

Some_Dude said:
I’ve been following this conversation, and the average tea bagger’s lack of knowledge regarding our own nation’s history and political systems in general is breath taking. Coupled with their misunderstanding of world politics and movements through the ages (especially during the more crucial eras), and I’m beginning to see why they’re often irrational.

I used to get a kick out their ignorance – like when they illogically call people “facist communist”, or don’t understand what a republic is, or make direct comparisons between the economics of Revolutionary era America to today’s, or lack such a fundamental scientific education that they believe the fallacies of radio show hosts on the complex matters of climate change, etc, etc, etc.

But after months of witnessing and hearing this, I’m truly concerned about what their lack of a fundamental historical, political and scientific education means to the well being of long term political discourse and legislation in this country. I mean, Murf, who is actually one of the more clever of the tea baggers here, just displayed a fantastically remarkable ignorance of historical facts – well covered history understood by most high school students, let alone functioning adults with the ability to cast a vote.

I wholeheartedly agree and endorse this statement. And I plead with the few decent conservatives I’ve had legitimate discussions with here to consider the import of these words. I don’t hold Ted in check because I know it’s a performance – he’s baiting hyper-partisans on purpose and falling into his trap is on you, just as falling into notsofast’s trap is on me. But when you see people like Murf display such a fundamental ignorance of our own history as a society, can you at least refrain from encouraging that sort of misjudgment, if you can’t bring yourself to correct it? The energy is great, but the irrational hysteria is dangerous. Not a joke.

cd ohio said:
i am liberal on some issues and conservative on others

You go both ways?

(that was a joke)

Ted- said:
Paul – Well said. Very nice.

I like your style, Ted. I know the righties think I’m a jerk for saying so, but you always make me smile. ;-)

@Paul Westlake
@Ted

take a look

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=483614786188&set=a.343014071188.198191.342469181188
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=234022&o=all&op=1&view=all&subj=342469181188&id=100000940511296

Andy Lamb said:
Ted, you call me an idiot and I can only laugh my ass off. On the intellectual scale, I am Copernicus, you are Rocky Balboa.

You are a turd. And a smelly turd at that. Idiot.

no i don’t ,but i sure have been in a drought lately

cd ohio said:
no i don’t ,but i sure have been in a drought lately

A friend once told me it doubles your chances

Ted- said:
You are a turd. And a smelly turd at that. Idiot.

You are a poopy head Ted. And a doo doo brain. And you are stinky. LOL

Andy Lamb said:
You are a poopy head Ted. And a doo doo brain. And you are stinky. LOL

HaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa

cd ohio said:
no i don’t ,but i sure have been in a drought lately

Completely incoherent. Are you speaking an obscure tea-bag dialect?

Andy Lamb said:
You are a poopy head Ted. And a doo doo brain. And you are stinky. LOL

This actually may be the most coherent utterance from a tea-bagger in a long, long time. By the way, Andy, you’re still an idiot.

lol

cd ohio said:
 

Whatever, glad you’re playing.

cd ohio said:
lol

welcome

thanks, nice to meet everyone

right-is-wrong said:
@Paul Westlake
@Ted

take a look

http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=483614786188&set=a.343014071188.198191.342469181188
http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?pid=234022&o=all&op=1&view=all&subj=342469181188&id=100000940511296

That’s gonna leave a mark. ;-)

First, I just state what I think not what anyone else should. Not a history teacher so i do make mistakes. Just like a healthly exchange of ideas.

Well, here is my prediction. The regulars here will insult each other, the tea party will be called stupid, etc. Those on the left with rant and rave about how Fox is not being watched by anyone but still, somehow, to be responsible for everything the left doesn’t like. Those on the right will rant and rave about the failed Presidency of Obama and how he is trying the destroy the compamy. A few well meaning folks will drop by to debate an issue and will be answered with insults, distortions and attacks.

Not a single mind will be changed and not one single vote will be swayed by what is said here either by the mediaite staff or the bloggers.

cd ohio said:
First, I just state what I think not what anyone else should. Not a history teacher so i do make mistakes. Just like a healthly exchange of ideas.

don’t get discouraged
you will SOMETIMES find that here
: )

RichS said:
Well, here is my prediction. The regulars here will insult each other, the tea party will be called stupid, etc. Those on the left with rant and rave about how Fox is not being watched by anyone but still, somehow, to be responsible for everything the left doesn’t like. Those on the right will rant and rave about the failed Presidency of Obama and how he is trying the destroy the compamy. A few well meaning folks will drop by to debate an issue and will be answered with insults, distortions and attacks.

Not a single mind will be changed and not one single vote will be swayed by what is said here either by the mediaite staff or the bloggers.

mmm
yep

sounds fun

RichS said:
Not a single mind will be changed and not one single vote will be swayed by what is said here either by the mediaite staff or the bloggers.

Likely – other than my best posts when debating folks like Paul :) – the most accurate thing I have seen anyone say on this board.

Ted- said:
This actually may be the most coherent utterance from a tea-bagger in a long, long time. By the way, Andy, you’re still an idiot.

And you are still a poopy doo doo head…….

WE ARE GROWN UPS!!!!!!!!!!!!111111

right-is-wrong said:
Fascism (pronounced /ˈfæʃɪzəm/) is a radical and authoritarian nationalist political ideology. Fascists seek to organize a nation according to corporatist perspectives, values, and systems, including the political system and the economy.[Fascists believe that a nation is an organic community that requires strong leadership, singular collective identity, and the will and ability to commit violence and wage war in order to keep the nation strong.

Thanks for the definition, but your labeling the Nazis as strictly 'right wing' and 'fascist' (in the obvious attempt to attach that label to the Tea Party) denotes a complete lack of understanding of historical facts and nuances regarding Hitler and Nazi Germany. Calling the Nazis 'right wing' ignores completely the socialist elements of their political program. Though the Nazis were socially conservative in nearly every respect and hated all the liberal elements of the Weimar Republic, this aversion stemmed as much from the foreign (and supposedly Jewish) influences of capitalism that they viewed as corrupting the German people.

The word 'Nazi' is shorthand for 'National Socialist'. Hitler's party was officially called the NSDAP-- an acronym for Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeiterpartei, translated as 'National Socialist German Workers' Party'. It's hard to define them as strictly 'right wing' with the words 'socialist' and 'workers' party' in their name and, as PH has already pointed out, they believed in state control of practically every aspect of the lives of its citizens. The citizen was to be completely subservient to the State. Civil liberties were torn asunder pretty soon after Hitler was named Chancellor by Hindenburg (see Reichstag Fire Decree). This all bears closer resemblance to Stalin's USSR than it does to any conservative political movements at the time, let alone to any constitutionally-minded Tea Party elements of today.

The NSDAP was first and foremost a Nationalist party with its German nationalism defined by the concept of race-- pseudo-scientific, quasi-Darwinist mumbo-jumbo which was increasingly popular at the time. This racial nationalism was most explicitly displayed through its virulent anti-semitism, but these clowns were pretty much anti-everyone-who-isn't-German. Just look at how they treated the Gypsies and Slavs for proof of this.

Hitler railed against communists and socialists (anti-liberal) and capitalists (anti-conservative) alike, but he also took a number of cues from Stalin's soviet Russia when shaping his government's policies and programs, most notably through his imposition of a one-party state. Similarly, he installed a number of restrictions on his citizens and closely controlled the media within Germany, enacting strict rules on newspaper editors and reporters and turning over control of the film and radio industries to Goebbels' Propaganda ministry. Perhaps the most corrosive element borrowed from Uncle Joe was the use of concentration camps to corral and 're-educate' his political opponents.

Despite their 'socialist' moniker, Hitler wasn't adverse to courting industrial capitalists in order to ramp up arms production after throwing off the restrictive provisions of the Versailles Treaty. Unlike Stalin, however, he never nationalized these industries. He even purged his own party of pro-socialist elements that wanted to further the NSDAP's original socialist agenda [see 'Night of the Long Knives'] in order to quell the fears of these industrialists and the more conservative elements who made up the leadership of the German armed forces. He did, however, nationalize all Jewish industrial concerns, confiscating businesses and dis-enfrancising all Jews based on that racial nationalism I mentioned above.

The Nazis outlawed labor unions (which they considered the realms of socialists and communists) and confiscated all union capital and assets. Unlike typical conservative ‘right-wingers’, though, which would have left the workers to fend for themselves in market capitalism, they replaced the unions with the German Labor Front (DAF)– essentially a state-controlled union to which all German laborers were forced to join. This DAF did look out for the welfare of the average German worker and promoted a number of benefits to them via the KdF (Kraft durch Freude or ‘Strength through Joy’) which gave the workers vacations, cruises, and other amenities. In fact, the Volkswagen Beetle was originally called the KdF-wagen and marketed to the average worker who could commit 5 DeutscheMarks per week toward the purchase of one.

Long story short, the Nazis can’t be easily pigeon-holed as ‘right-wing’ or ‘left-wing’ according to the modern definition of these terms. More than anything, they were opportunistic racist nationalists. They adopted traits of fascist Italy as well as communist Russia in order to create a uniquely German authoritarian political and social system.

RichS said:
Well, here is my prediction. The regulars here will insult each other, the tea party will be called stupid, etc. Those on the left with rant and rave about how Fox is not being watched by anyone but still, somehow, to be responsible for everything the left doesn’t like. Those on the right will rant and rave about the failed Presidency of Obama and how he is trying the destroy the compamy. A few well meaning folks will drop by to debate an issue and will be answered with insults, distortions and attacks.

Not a single mind will be changed and not one single vote will be swayed by what is said here either by the mediaite staff or the bloggers.

Cynicism! <— think Thomas Dolby

Karl Spensen said:
WE ARE GROWN UPS!!!!!!!!!!!!111111

You are one Proud Patriot for our once and soon to be again great nation.
!!!111

Paul Westlake said:
Cynicism! <— think Thomas Dolby

Blinded by Science?

Andy Lamb said:
Likely – other than my best posts when debating folks like Paul :) – the most accurate thing I have seen anyone say on this board.

I suppose credit for inspiring your literary masterpieces is better than being called a poopy head. ;-)

right-is-wrong said:
Blinded by Science?

It’s poetry in motion. ;-)

Paul Westlake said:
It’s poetry in motion. ;-)

ooooooooo

Paul Westlake said:
It’s poetry in motion. ;-)

When I go that far (for a zing) at home, I usually have to explain them.

you guys are showing your age becafeful lol

cd ohio said:
you guys are showing your age becafeful lol

And knowing is showing yours : -)

you know it lol
thanks for reminding me damn

cd ohio said:
you know it lol
thanks for reminding me damn

Kinda fun.
I was surprised at the age of many here.

I just hit 50

right-is-wrong said:
When I go that far (for a zing) at home, I usually have to explain them.

Know what you mean!

cd ohio said:
you guys are showing your age becafeful lol

right-is-wrong said:
And knowing is showing yours : -)

Ding! Very funny. ;-)

I think we have a mix of old coots, young networkers, and stay-at-home moms. I don’t think pushing 42 qualifies for old coot, so I think I’m a man without a clan. ;-)

No, there is a clan for me, it just skews a little wider than I thought – veteran chatters from the early days, back for another turn. I think we r-i-w meets that criteria. ;-)

Paul Westlake said:
I don’t think pushing 42 qualifies for old coot, so I think I’m a man without a clan. ;-)

Alot of the people I knew in the 80′s were your age.
I waited to start a family, and everyone at the clubs was younger.

Sullivan lost his cred long ago with his over-the-top Palin Derangement Syndrome antics including some breathlessly insane pronouncements on Trig and Palin’s daughter Bristol. This guy resembles Arianna Huffington in many ways, including the dubious switch from “conservative” to ca-raaazy far left and immediate access to a prestigious libtard platform as a reward for defecting. Also a hysterical temperament…just saying.

right-is-wrong said:
I waited to start a family, and everyone at the clubs was younger.

Good plan. I skipped the clubs to play rock and roll and I’m starting my family in a year or so… so… good plan! ;-)

I LUV it that Jake Tapper, ABC News, in an interview with David Axelrod about transparency of the Chamber of Commerce spending money on campaign ads, and Jake asks Axelrod about Obama’s non-transparency revealing his long form birth certificate!

http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2010/10/axelrod-to-us-chamber-what-are-you-hiding-that-you-dont-want-the-american-people-to-see.html

What is Obama hiding and why?

Paul Westlake said:
Good plan. I skipped the clubs to play rock and roll and I’m starting my family in a year or so… so… good plan! ;-)

Instrument?
Genre?
Band name?

Drums
Rock and Funk
Names nobody knows or remembers ;-)

Did you also love that when Tapper tried to speak with someone at the Chamber they declined? Oh, and the President’s birth certificate is available online. While you brain dead wingnuts continue to be fixated on bullshit, you should also know that he’s the President of the United States and everytime you mention his birth certificate you expose yourself as a sore loser and that makes us Liberals very happy! Suck it up darlin, you lost!

Is it me or does Ted and Paul need to get a room, I guess Tea-bagger is a literal term for these two libbies. I just want to know, who prefers the nuts on their forehead. When Nov 3rd rolls around, it will be nothing but large conservative nuts all up in your shit. By the way, when we dirty sanchez you which one of you is going to clean up the shit that is the democratic party?

Holy crap, you people really really really really really need to get a life.

Some of you wasted 8 hours talking past each other.

Republicans hate Democrats
Democrats hate Republicans.

America is a song, it requires all of us to sing together for it to be right. This is cacaphony. No wonder this train is off the tracks, down the hill, and in the creek.

I think we need to divide the U.S. in half along the Mississippi and let people move to the red side or the blue side.

I would just stay where I’m at, cause I know how to ignore yappy idiots.

The Tea Weasel said:
America is a song, it requires all of us to sing together for it to be right. This is cacaphony. No wonder this train is off the tracks, down the hill, and in the creek.

I don’t disagree, but I also feel the pain of realizing that the song is, at this moment, “Bring On the Clowns.”

UpChuck.Liberals says: “Ok, so let me get this straight, unless we adults exhibit a severe lack of bladder control at the mere mention of ‘Barack Hussain Obama’, collapse in the shear excitement of seeing his picture with some adoring acolytes….”

When you talk about the President this way, you are demonstrating a childish reaction. It’s not even hyperbole, what you wrote. Your chosen name, “UpChuck Liberals” is not an adult moniker. “We adults” my ass! More like ODS, another reactionary jumping off the cliff of reason.

The Tea Weasel says: “I would just stay where I’m at, cause I know how to ignore yappy idiots.”

And how is calling people who don’t line up exactly where you are (moderate? muddled?) “idiots” helping?

Westlake is on his knees again asking Andrew to give him his best pearl necklace.

notsofast said:
Westlake is on his knees again asking Andrew to give him his best pearl necklace.

You’ve really turned into a vile and nasty little troll, haven’t you, Nutso. A shame, really. You were once witty.

You didn’t even have to turn, King. You’ve been vile and nasty from the get go.

notsofast said:
Westlake is on his knees again asking Andrew to give him his best pearl necklace.

writer said:
You didn’t even have to turn, King. You’ve been vile and nasty from the get go.

No, not like frizzy. Even Ted comes nowhere near the contemptible language and personal insults that frizzy uses. I give him a dram of credit for being mildly humorous at times, but mostly frizzy is just a vile punk with nothing to offer but hate and derision.

Writer, you have your moments of nasty, just like I do. And you’re generally quicker with a put-down than I am, but even after all that, you and I have been able to set that aside for actual discussions, once or twice. There is no such thing with frizzy. There is no “there” there. So comparing him to RRK is just nonsense. RRK gives as good as he gets, but he has real conversations and is intelligible. You get none of that with frizzy.

TeaBagALibby said:
Is it me or does Ted and Paul need to get a room, I guess Tea-bagger is a literal term for these two libbies. I just want to know, who prefers the nuts on their forehead. When Nov 3rd rolls around, it will be nothing but large conservative nuts all up in your shit. By the way, when we dirty sanchez you which one of you is going to clean up the shit that is the democratic party?

I stopped using the term “teabagger” out of basic respect a long time ago, long before I started commenting on this site. Many of the righties here have acknowledged and thanked me for my basic civility on that point. And here’s comes some douchebag reactionary, trying to be all junior-high-clever, using the very terminology that Tea Partiers hate, to make a point about how the Tea Party is so awesome, that my lameness will be destroyed by its onslaught. This is the base, right here. This guy, the one with an IQ lower than his shoe size, the one with a third grade sense of humor, the one who thinks polls are everything, until they’re nothing, the one who says majorities should rule, unless he’s in the minority, and then the majority is stuffing things down America’s throats. People like this numbnuts are children, and will always be children. And the majority of Tea Partiers are children, too.

Wah – I want my country back. Wah – no more taxes but hands off my disability check. Wah – Christians are a persecuted minority in America (bullshit). Wah – liberals hate “real” Americans (whatever that is).

Wah! Wah ! Wah!

Go cry your crocodile tears to someone who give a rat’s ass what you think. I assure you, that ain’t me.

The Tea Weasel said:
I think we need to divide the U.S. in half along the Mississippi and let people move to the red side or the blue side.

How about you just leave. ;-)

Paul, while I agree that the name calling doesn’t further discussion, I also agree that sometimes it’s difficult to refrain from it. As for the King giving as good as he gets, is it any wonder why he ‘gets’ it in the first place? He disagrees with Sarah Palin’s politics, so what do his posts consist of? Talking about the size of her daughter’s thighs. And while notsofast can name call with the best of them, I don’t see the arrogance that I see with the King. No one has been to college but him. No one has been in the service but him. No one has ever traveled abroad but him. He mocks and stereotypes large swaths of the population (people who live in trailers, people who shop at certain stores, people who eat certain foods) yet constantly whines about other posters’ lack of compassion. And he sees no hypocrisy in it.

More scare tactics from the liberal lunatic fringe.

I also noted the “description” below this twits name…”journalist.”

If this idiot is a journalist, TRRK will win a senatorial seat in 2012.

writer said:
And while notsofast can name call with the best of them, I don’t see the arrogance that I see with the King.

Arrogance is over-used. It’s a buzzword conservatives use to belittle perceived liberal elitism. But, while we’re using it, yes, I see NSF/Norbit/Etc as arrogant – because they don’t see the hypocrisy either. Ted doesn’t whine about the slurs, he just hurls them back. But NSF.Norbit ALSO complain. I have seen RRK throw that contradiction back in their faces many times, but I don’t recall him just whining in a vacuum, as though he’s the only one to suffer – which is kinda the meat and potatoes of the frizzies around here. But I’m not here to defend other lefties or just attack righties for the sake of feeling cool. I started commenting to counter the rampant misconceptions many of the right-wing opinions around here are based on. And because I find myself in a period in my life when I can spend some free time here, I thought I’d do my part. So I’m not going to go too deep into a personality contest. I will say this, though: I haven’t seen RRK take shits on really reasonable conservative comments to anywhere near the degree frizzy and company do on actually reasonable liberal posts. I’ve been in the middle of long-winded discussions with people like Andy Lamb, and right in the middle, here comes NSF with some vile and contemptible little zinger that has no purpose other than as an irritant. Maybe I’m missing something, but I haven’t seen the lefties do the same. I just haven’t.

And when we see comments like this dominating these boards…

pyrope said:
More scare tactics from the liberal lunatic fringe.

…it’s pretty hard to stay polite. Nah’mean? ;-)

Paul, if you really think Royal King only gets hateful when attacked, then all I can say is you haven’t been paying attention. Same with Ted. Last Sunday, I made the mistake of actually trying to have a discussion with him. All I got back was name calling. Yeah, the left and right both do it, but if you think our left wing posters are only playing defense, better look closer.

pyrope says:
“More scare tactics from the liberal lunatic fringe.”

For a “Mensa” right-winger, rational = lunatic.

pyrope says:
“also noted the “description” below this twits name…”journalist.””

For a “Mensa” right-winger, one isn’t a journalist unless one neglects the facts.

pyrope says:
“If this idiot is a journalist, TRRK will win a senatorial seat in 2012.”

If you’re a “Mensa” commenter, BOZO the clown will win a Senate seat this year.

Pyrope, you can’t claim to be a member of Mensa and then make bumpkin comments. Well, you can but it demonstrates what a liar you are.

writer said:
Paul, if you really think Royal King only gets hateful when attacked, then all I can say is you haven’t been paying attention. Same with Ted. Last Sunday, I made the mistake of actually trying to have a discussion with him. All I got back was name calling. Yeah, the left and right both do it, but if you think our left wing posters are only playing defense, better look closer.

I don’t think they’re ONLY playing defense, just that they aren’t AS offensive with the same frequency. And, of course, they know the people commenting here pretty well, as you do, so they probably make plenty of preemptive comments, which isn’t necessarily cool, but isn’t totally off-base. For instance, at this point, NSF could write the equivalent of the Magna Carta and I’d still tear him to shreds just for the fun of it. He earned it. That’s why I try to only make my judgments based on how people respond to me… though I’m far from totally successful in that regard. I know I can be just as bad as the rest. But I think I’ve demonstrated many times that I know where the line is and that I’m happy to tone it down for real debate. And I appreciate the same with you. I honestly didn’t think you had much more than insults to offer until we started having actual discussions. And then I changed my tune with you. But that impression was based on seeing your preemptive strikes on people you knew well, and that I didn’t. So, as I gained experience with the characters to be found here, I have modified my attitude to acknowledge new information – just gave Pappy BIG props for his comments on the Krystal Ball thread, and trust me, I NEVER thought that would happen. We can all live and learn, yes? ;-)

Yes.

(I reserve the right to deal harshly with the King.)

Paul Westlake said:
And when we see comments like this dominating these boards…
pyrope said:

More scare tactics from the liberal lunatic fringe.
…it’s pretty hard to stay polite. Nah’mean? ;-)

When I see a constant stream of vitriol from the left, I most generally try to remain up-and-up, but there comes a point when the line is crossed, and it’s quid pro quo. That said, I would much prefer rational discussion of differences of opinion, but you have crap like:

GlennBeckReview said:
The Tea Weasel says: “I would just stay where I’m at, cause I know how to ignore yappy idiots.”

GlennBeckReview said:
Pyrope, you can’t claim to be a member of Mensa and then make bumpkin comments. Well, you can but it demonstrates what a liar you are.

Ted- said:
This actually may be the most coherent utterance from a tea-bagger in a long, long time. By the way, Andy, you’re still an idiot.

Ted- said:
You must be a gluten for punishment. Even by tea-bag standards you are a dumb shit. Murf – I actually think you understand at least that much about yourself. You are clearly not the sharpest knife in the drawer, or even the dullest. Basically you are the asshole of America. And you smell very bad.

(Note: I think he must have meant “glutton,” but no big deal.)

ad infinitum.

GlennBeckReview said:
pyrope says:“More scare tactics from the liberal lunatic fringe.” For a “Mensa” right-winger, rational = lunatic. pyrope says:“also noted the “description” below this twits name…”journalist.”” For a “Mensa” right-winger, one isn’t a journalist unless one neglects the facts. pyrope says:“If this idiot is a journalist, TRRK will win a senatorial seat in 2012.” If you’re a “Mensa” commenter, BOZO the clown will win a Senate seat this year. Pyrope, you can’t claim to be a member of Mensa and then make bumpkin comments. Well, you can but it demonstrates what a liar you are.

I’ll make you the same offer I made to another individual who frequents this site:

You tell me how much money you want to lose in a bet and I’ll match it.

We’ will each deposit that amount in a bank in Las Vegas, into an account describing the nature of our wager.

I will meet you in Las Vegas at the bank, provide you with my bona fides, and you will give up the amount of money you dare to bet.

If I fail to provide my bona fides, e.g. Mensa Membership Card and certificate of admission, you get the money.

I will tell you up front, YOU WILL LOSE.

So, put up or shut up.

Ted- said:
Congrats on being a compete dumb-ass. For some people, like you, there is no hope, only a trailer park.

Ted- said:
You are a dip shit of epic proportions. Keep sucking on the teat of Glenn Beck and go through life as a complete dumb shit

Ted- said:
You should change your user name to Stalin you fucking commie pinko.

Ted- said:
Basically you are the asshole of America. And you smell very bad.

Ted- said:
You are a turd. And a smelly turd at that. Idiot.

Ted- said:
What a big fucking baby. Can I get you a diaper?

Ted- said:
This moron believes that the sun sets in the east and rises in the west.

Ted- said:
Hey dip shit I do believe you called me a dumb ass you hypocritical tea-bagging moron.

Ted- said:
I think we now know that you basically pull your facts from you big fat smelly ass you commie pinko

Ted- said:
What you have Patty is a brain-stem.

Ted- said:
Either that or you never bothered to pick up fucking book and read it. – YOU back it up dumb-shit.

Ted- said:
Brain-stem. You’ve been sucking on the teat of Glenn Beck for too long and your mind is pickled.

Ted- said:
You had better rest Kumquat, you’re starting to sound really dumb

Ted- said:
Congrats on being a compete dumb-ass

Ted- said:
do you tea-baggers have an extra chromosome? Why are you like – so fucking stupid?

But Ted also says

Ted- said:
i can have a more intellectual conversation with a door knob than one of you dopey tea-baggers.

Must be some door knob

pyrope says: “If I fail to provide my bona fides, e.g. Mensa Membership Card”

Nothing you write on these story boards indicates that you have a top of the human pyramid IQ. Nothing! Your “bona fides” are probably faked. What do you do professionally with your supreme IQ that allows you to sit around in your parent’s basement all day, every day, posting comments on Mediaite website? Explain why it is that you’re not using your supposed top 2% IQ for demanding employment?

Why would I spend 100′s of $ on a trip to Los Vegas? To take money from you or give you money once you show me your forged documents?

I have a better idea. We’ll take the same civics examination. Based upon what you write here, you won’t even pass it, much less ace it.

GlennBeckReview said:
pyrope says: “If I fail to provide my bona fides, e.g. Mensa Membership Card” Nothing you write on these story boards indicates that you have a top of the human pyramid IQ. Nothing! Your “bona fides” are probably faked. What do you do professionally with your supreme IQ that allows you to sit around in your parent’s basement all day, every day, posting comments on Mediaite website? Explain why it is that you’re not using your supposed top 2% IQ for demanding employment? Why would I spend 100’s of $ on a trip to Los Vegas? To take money from you or give you money once you show me your forged documents? I have a better idea. We’ll take the same civics examination. Based upon what you write here, you won’t even pass it, much less ace it.

That is merely your opinion.

Of course, you can also contact Mensa and they will verify my bona fides.

If you’re willing to wager from $10,000 to $100,000 to prove me a liar then do so. If not, shut up and go back to your obsession.

I am retired, I am not like you–sitting alone in your underwear in your parent’s basement.

Pyrope, good luck finding anything close to an equivalent to NSF/Norbit on the left. Ted is intentionally crude and insulting, but NSF gets really personal, like comparisons to people’s mothers, and describing sex acts that go way beyond the typical “go screw yourself” fare. Yeah, we got our share of antagonists on the left, but nobody that comes anywhere close to the kind of contemptible language and vile attacks hurled by certain characters on the right. Not even worthy of comparison. Seriously.

pyrope says: “I am retired,….”

Ah, part of Beck’s target community. So you watch Beck just before you go to sleep?

Pyrope, or whatever your actual name is, if you want to sit down, side by side and take a civics exam, I’ll be happy to put $1,000 down on who would score better, you or I.

I don’t care about your Mensa “bona fides,” you post comments like a redneck bumpkin with no post-secondary education. I suspect that you cheated on your Mensa exam if you’re not just bluffing.

If you’re going to counter-charge about where I post comments and what I’m wearing, you could at least come up with an original thought, Mr. Fake Genius. Underwear is what Beck accuses Media Matters staff of wearing (they don’t; I’ve been there), and you just repeated what I just commented to you about posting from parents’ basement.

You’re not that sharp. I’ve been in class with sharp students and sharp professors, and you’re not even in the same ballpark.

I do want to check on your credentials. Tell me you name, and anything else I need to know to check where you went to college and what I need to check your supposed “bona fides” with Mensa International.

You’re trying to weasel your way out of the bet. You don’t get this one for free. I have made a proposition for a wager and so if you’re so certain you can prove me wrong, you can either put up or shut up. If you don’t, you will be known for the coward you are.

pyrope says:
You’re trying to weasel your way out of the bet. You don’t get this one for free. I have made a proposition for a wager and so if you’re so certain you can prove me wrong, you can either put up or shut up. If you don’t, you will be known for the coward you are.”

Like I wrote there “wiz kid,” give me your information and I will check with Mensa to see if your credentialed there. Provide the information I need to verify your astonishing claim, or shut up. And there was no bet.

I didn’t take your bet, I’m countering with another: $1,000 to sit down side by side with you to take a civics exam. The highest score takes all the money.

You love calling names. I never knew that the top 2% in IQ of the population were so adolescent in their rhetoric. Then again. lots of comments you make on here belies your claim of membership in Mensa.

Your name and whatever info I need to check you out. Put up or shut up.