Even them realized O’Reiley and his fellow travelers at Fox are phonies. And Billo is blaming his own poll, for his failure.

Haha, that’s pretty funny. I imagine it was because the stoners were conveniently caught between bong loads and the old folks forgot how to use their computing internets thingies, “where’s the any key?!?”

skyfet said:
Even them realized O’Reiley and his fellow travelers at Fox are phonies. And Billo is blaming his own poll, for his failure. Do you understand the words that are comin’ out my mouuuuth?

No, I really don’t.

lonestar77 said:
No, I really don’t.

To be honest, I don’t know what goes and comes out of your mouth. The image in my mind is not ………..

Things aren’t always what they appear. Especially at FOX “News”.

So Stewart wins a selection of Factor gear ?

Y’ve got it right, Colby! Even when I disagree with Bill O’Reilly I still like him, because he always try his best to make the right thing.

The Lantern of Truth said:
So Stewart wins a selection of Factor gear ?

And it makes you mad? ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

It was rigged.

skyfet said:
Even them realized O’Reiley and his fellow travelers at Fox are phonies. And Billo is blaming his own poll, for his failure.

As usual , Democrat strategist skyfet has wrapped it up in a concise analysis .

The blooter . Ahhhhhhh

skyfet said:
And it makes you mad? ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

That’s right , Professor ! The Lantern is enraged !

!!

Is anybody really surprised the Kos bots and MM bots flooded the poll?

THE REAL ROYAL KING says:
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Things aren’t always what they appear. Especially at FOX “News”

No, it’s nothing like the mainstream media. They consistently speak only the truth. If only every media outlet could be so bi-partisan.

Bill O’Reilly easily won the argument against the failed Mtv comedian so who cares anymore? Get over it libs.

Barack Must Go said:
It was rigged.

ACORN or the NBPP? Should we get Breitbart and O’Keefe on this?

owned!

Ever since Pia was thrown out on American Idol, I don’t trust any voting.

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
Things aren’t always what they appear. Especially at FOX “News”.

You have to admit. Olbermann (and I suspect all at MSNBC) would not have ben as honest with results that went against them. He (and the others) are just too thinned skinned.

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
ACORN or the NBPP? Should we get Breitbart and O’Keefe on this?

I’m imagining if the actual data where scrutinized one would find this poll had 10 times more respondents than any previous of O’Reilly’s.

If you dug a bit deeper one could find Tweets and what ever other way todays hipster, stoner, bridge dweller ( basically Stewart’s entire demographic ) got the word out to ” slam this mutha ” by having not only yourselves, but your little brothers and sisters call in.

Seventy five percent of the calls probably came from those pre paid disposable cell phones you libs prefer ( all your bad credit allows ).

Hey, I’m all for that has O’Reilly rethinking his manhood, so I wish you libs would call in and mess with him every night.

The only problem there it might just have the opposite effect and he”ll start bragging about how he now too, has the most respondents to HIS poll questions than anyone else in the world.

It’s unstoppable this thing we call O’Reilly…..it’s taken on a self sustaining life of it’s own.

jooce81 said:
owned!

And honest. And as a gamer, it’s pwnd…

timzank said:
Is anybody really surprised the Kos bots and MM bots flooded the poll?

No… but give credit to Fox and Bill for posting the result honestly. Unlike MSNBC that hides it’s shame and gets defensive.

Come on, Hall…even you’re smart enough to know that any online poll is easily subject to skewing. You honestly think “his viewers” would have chosen Stewart’s position? Seriously?

Once word gets out that there’s an online poll that some group or another wants to influence, the word is spread. The righties do it, and the lefties do it.

So come on…get a clue.

DaTruth said:
Come on, Hall…even you’re smart enough to know that any online poll is easily subject to skewing. You honestly think “his viewers” would have chosen Stewart’s position? Seriously? Once word gets out that there’s an online poll that some group or another wants to influence, the word is spread. The righties do it, and the lefties do it. So come on…get a clue.

Google bombing is fun. Don’t spoil it.

Oh ,oh . A real switch . A Fonda calling someone else a traitor .

“Peter Fonda calls Obama ‘traitor’ at Cannes ”

http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20110518/ennew_afp/entertainmentfilmfestivalcannesusobamafonda_20110518154556

DaTruth said:
Come on, Hall…even you’re smart enough to know that any online poll is easily subject to skewing. You honestly think “his viewers” would have chosen Stewart’s position? Seriously? Once word gets out that there’s an online poll that some group or another wants to influence, the word is spread. The righties do it, and the lefties do it. So come on…get a clue.

It wasnt’ 54% to 46%, it was 79% to 21%. That’s not skewed, that’s trounced. A couple of points; the question was who had the stronger argument, not who’s position you favored; second, it wasn’t an extremely important question, I would like to see them argue about the deficit or the wars in an hour long segment with a moderator. That would be interesting.

I like both of them. I thought Stewart had the stronger argument this time. I did not vote in the poll, but I would have voted for Jon. Fox has a “message” about the people Obama hangs with. I believe it is a real issue, but it was a stretch to contend that Common should not be invited to the WH because he went to Cuba to see the fugitive woman who was convicted of being involved in the murder of a policeman. Dialogue like this is good.

skyfet said:
Even them realized O’Reiley and his fellow travelers at Fox are phonies. And Billo is blaming his own poll, for his failure.

whatever are you talking about????

lonestar77 said:
Do you understand the words that are comin’ out my mouuuuth?

even you don’t understand the words comin’ out of your mouuuuth.

well skyfet said “even them” and it digressed from there. He is so stupid that he didn’t understand what the article was about and thought he’d share his ignorance with the world. Good job sky!

Nacho said:
Haha, that’s pretty funny. I imagine it was because the stoners were conveniently caught between bong loads and the old folks forgot how to use their computing internets thingies, “where’s the any key?!?”

Isn’t it a little early, even for you, to be stoned to the gills?

I think they do well as a team…if there was ever to be a show on FNC with opposing views, ala Hannity and Colmbs, I could see Jon and Bill doing it.

I finally saw Bill show a sense of humor…a little sarcasm in such a way that was kind of funny which throws you off a bit t first and then makes you laugh. And Jon, being a comedian, can take that kind of jab. I’d like to see more appearances like this. Good TV.

Dear Colby Hall,

Let’s look at Greta Van Susteren’s ridiculous polls and the manner in which she blatantly tries to skew them.

Thanks in advance.

Emma said:
Dear Colby Hall,

Let’s look at Greta Van Susteren’s ridiculous polls and the manner in which she blatantly tries to skew them.

Thanks in advance.

Greta doesn’t skew her polls. Greta isn’t even a rightwinger. what the hell are you talking about?

fishchef said:
It wasnt’ 54% to 46%, it was 79% to 21%. That’s not skewed, that’s trounced. A couple of points; the question was who had the stronger argument, not who’s position you favored; second, it wasn’t an extremely important question, I would like to see them argue about the deficit or the wars in an hour long segment with a moderator. That would be interesting.

Yep… pretty loop sided. And yes a better question could have baan asked. But if the result had been flipped this would not be “news”.

As a Canadian, this all seems very rediculus to me. American politics attract more clowns than a circus!

david r said:
I like both of them. I thought Stewart had the stronger argument this time. I did not vote in the poll, but I would have voted for Jon. Fox has a “message” about the people Obama hangs with. I believe it is a real issue, but it was a stretch to contend that Common should not be invited to the WH because he went to Cuba to see the fugitive woman who was convicted of being involved in the murder of a policeman. Dialogue like this is good.

After the hatchet job and of course usual Fox 24/7 attempt to create a false story about Common – it’s just another nail in the Fox Propaganda coffer as the “real fake” newz in America.

JasonMays said:
Greta doesn’t skew her polls. Greta isn’t even a rightwinger. what the hell are you talking about?

Greta knows where she is paid. Her stories are slanted towards the Republicorp mandate for the day (i.e., cooking with Sarah Palin – lol). Puhlese. These actors/anchors aren’t stupid or conseravtives – they want to be paid – does it matter if it’s Saudi Royal Family and Rupert Murdoch/GOP money? Hellz no. For the amount of green these Tokyo Rose propgandists would sell their family down the river (and have). Beck, Limbaugh, Hannity – all Koch Brothers beneficiaries (in addition to the above).

Does it not bother you Faux Newz sheep that you see the SAME OPINION from EVERY TALKING HEAD on EVERY PROGRAM??

Seriously. It’s hard to imagine a dumber group of people defending such idiocy and then blaming the rest of the world for not drinking the Kool-aide.

When we were taught the dangers or propaganda after Goebbels and the Nazi’s, the lesson was to learn and not fall for it and/or repeat it – and yet, the Faux viewer – does so willingly and proudly as if a badge of honor. After watching “Jesus Camp” – you know where the brainwashing begins – have you no hope of self escape?

Take it in, breath and think about it sheep. Save yourselves. Leave the morons at Faux behind.

By the way – the odds of Bill’s audience using a computer…about 1 in 1000.

I thought O’Reilly should have posed the poll question in this way:

Who won the debate…O’Reilly, Stewart OR was it a tie?….I believe MOST clear thinking, honest individuals, would have chosen the third option. Both men made valid points and/or arguments for their opinions/facts….

JazzyJim said:
By the way – the odds of Bill’s audience using a computer…about 1 in 1000.

Odds of JazzyJim being a douche 100%.

O’Reilly is a defender of the dignity of the office of POTUS, and he may be wasting his efforts on an office that has long lost it’s dignity..

When George H Bush entertained Michael Jackson and appointed him Points of light Ambassador about the time of riots in LA and soon after Jackson’s video broadcast zipping his zipper up and down and beating the windows out of store fronts and cars and white gloving his private regions I got a letter to the editor published in the OC Register. I was disgusted back then, and equally uncomfortable now! So the American people are ok with the degradations of the WH celebrating cop killers. I’m on O’Reilly’s side on this, I guess we have been over-ruled, the American experiment is running its course, and for traditionalists it’s not turning out well.

While I disagree with O’Reilly, and while he pisses me off some times, I do respect and even like him.

I like Jon Stewart much better, and he definitely won that debate.

But I wonder why O’Reilly won’t show the results of the poll? He said last night that some “far left” websites encouraged people to go and vote on the poll, so he said the results aren’t valid. So that’s why he won’t show the results.

Are results on polls like these ever statistically “valid?”

WHarropson said:
O’Reilly is a defender of the dignity of the office of POTUS, and he may be wasting his efforts on an office that has long lost it’s dignity..

When George H Bush entertained Michael Jackson and appointed him Points of light Ambassador about the time of riots in LA and soon after Jackson’s video broadcast zipping his zipper up and down and beating the windows out of store fronts and cars and white gloving his private regions I got a letter to the editor published in the OC Register. I was disgusted back then, and equally uncomfortable now! So the American people are ok with the degradations of the WH celebrating cop killers. I’m on O’Reilly’s side on this, I guess we have been over-ruled, the American experiment is running its course, and for traditionalists it’s not turning out well.

This White House is not “celebrating cop killers.” This WH is recognizing a rapper named “Common” who is known for being socially conscious and denouncing violence. He is known for working with Chicago kids and getting them to get into poetry rather than violence.

Further, Common is not celebrating a cop killer in that song. Look at the lyrics to that song. Even the lyrics O’Reilly posted last week said that “She couldna pulled the trigger.” Does not O’Reilly know what this means? Common believes this woman is not guilty of cop killing, and even more, if you really read those lyrics, he believes strongly that she was badly mistreated while in custody. A number of human rights groups filed complaints about her mistreatment, and, in fact, the U.N. Commission on Human Rights wrote a report saying that her mistreatment was some of the worst they have ever seen of someone in custody.

JasonMays said:
Greta doesn’t skew her polls. Greta isn’t even a rightwinger. what the hell are you talking about?

I don’t know about Greta’s polls. I don’t think she is a rightwinger, although I think that after McCain announced his running mate to be Palin, she took a decidedly right turn in supporting Sarah Palin.

Note that Greta’s husband was an advisor for Palin during her run for the VP. So I would say there is some conflict of interest in her coverage of Palin, as well as her support of Palin.

Even a teabag can see who one this. But honestly this is a huge non issue, who cares if Common goes to the White House or Easy E is chilling with George Bush Sr. Really?

“won”

Zermatt2 said:
While I disagree with O’Reilly, and while he pisses me off some times, I do respect and even like him.

I like Jon Stewart much better, and he definitely won that debate.

But I wonder why O’Reilly won’t show the results of the poll? He said last night that some “far left” websites encouraged people to go and vote on the poll, so he said the results aren’t valid. So that’s why he won’t show the results.

Are results on polls like these ever statistically “valid?”

Yeah, Fox has gotten so completely crazy that even Bill O’Reilly appears reasonable now.

Although I think Bill O’Reilly being less crazy now, comes from the fact that his pal Glenn Beck blew up his career by swimming too far out in the pool of lunacy. Bill O’Reilly is a smart guy (he plays a dumb one on tv), his career is the most important thing to him and he isn’t going to ruin it like Glenn did.

O’Reilly is a has been, and so is Fox News. From a former 16/7 watcher. No more.

Color Me Badd said:
Although I think Bill O’Reilly being less crazy now, comes from the fact that his pal Glenn Beck blew up his career by swimming too far out in the pool of lunacy. Bill O’Reilly is a smart guy (he plays a dumb one on tv), his career is the most important thing to him and he isn’t going to ruin it like Glenn did.

I agree with you about O’Reilly and others on Fox appear to be less crazy because of Glenn Beck. I’ve long thought that was Beck’s purpose on Fox…..to be so crazy that others are more reasonable.

But I will say that I have watched O’Reilly for a long time, many years. One reason I respect him is that he has said that RFK was the best Attorney General this country has ever had. He has stated that he is against the death penalty. And, he has a degree from Harvard, unlike Beck, Hannity, or Limbaugh, none of which went to college. I’d be much more inclined to believe someone who is educated….although I still disagree with much of what he says.

Color Me Badd said:
Even a teabag can see who one this. But honestly this is a huge non issue, who cares if Common goes to the White House or Easy E is chilling with George Bush Sr. Really?

Or that George Bush Sr. was entertained by Andrew Dice Clay at the Kennedy Center…..ADC is a misogynist, homophobe, and racist. Isn’t that what teabaggers and other Obama haters are also claiming, that Common is a misogynist?

Zermatt2 said:
This White House is not “celebrating cop killers.”

Why no comment about George H Bush and Michael Jackson?

Rap in the White House? Yeah that is dignified isn’t it.
Jon pointed to other bad ideas for White house guests and therefore, The star of Profanity Central is winning the debate.

American experiment is running its course, and for traditionalists it’s not turning out well. Tell me I’m wrong about that statement.

John Stewart did win the argument in my view, although Bill proved to be a worthy opponent. But who voted in this poll? Was it people who were already registered at the website, or mostly people who registered after the segment aired?

hgarner2000 said:
But who voted in this poll? Was it people who were already registered at the website, or mostly people who registered after the segment aired?

That’s a good question.

Again…the way Colby phrases this is “his viewers” regarding this poll. “Common” sense would dictate that “his viewers” are much more likely to agree with his position, regardless of the poll question. That’s my issue with Colby’s characterization. If this were a closed poll for billoreilly.com premium members, THAT would be a more valid representation of “his viewers”. But it was an open online poll, and hence, available for anyone who can run a script or get group participation for a cause. And it happens on the right, too. Ever hear the term “Freep this poll”? O’Reilly doesn’t have much support on websites like freerepublic.com, so he’s not going to get much help from them. But the practice of skewing polls crosses ideological lines.

Is Colby Hall saying that Bill O’Reilly’s viewers are of the mind that Fox is a “selective outrage” machine? Come on…it defies credulity at every turn. THAT’S the real question here, because THAT’S Stewart’s position. And that question has one valid answer: a resounding NO! So, let’s get real…

Color Me Badd said:
Even a teabag can see who one this. But honestly this is a huge non issue, who cares if Common goes to the White House or Easy E is chilling with George Bush Sr. Really?

Since your such a fan of typo and spelling flames f^ckwad, you might want to learn how to spell “won” you mouth breathing dumb@ss. Nice attempt at correction after the fact BTW. Don’t spelling flame others if you don’t want it done to you… you POS.

Color Me Badd said:
Although I think Bill O’Reilly being less crazy now, comes from the fact that his pal Glenn Beck blew up his career by swimming too far out in the pool of lunacy. Bill O’Reilly is a smart guy (he plays a dumb one on tv), his career is the most important thing to him and he isn’t going to ruin it like Glenn did.

And Olbermann did what to his “career”????

mamaearth said:
I thought O’Reilly should have posed the poll question in this way: Who won the debate…O’Reilly, Stewart OR was it a tie?….I believe MOST clear thinking, honest individuals, would have chosen the third option. Both men made valid points and/or arguments for their opinions/facts….

I would disagree based solely on the extent to which Stewart “won”. If the numbers had been more in the 50/50 sphere vs. 80/20, I think you would have a valid argument to make.

WHarropson said:
Why no comment about George H Bush and Michael Jackson?

Rap in the White House? Yeah that is dignified isn’t it.
Jon pointed to other bad ideas for White house guests and therefore, The star of Profanity Central is winning the debate.

American experiment is running its course, and for traditionalists it’s not turning out well. Tell me I’m wrong about that statement.

Not sure what you want me to say. From what I know, I have no problem with George Bush and Michael Jackson.

As far as rap is concerned, I don’t particularly care for it, not because of its lyrics, but because it often has no “beat” or music that I like. And, if you generalize by thinking all rap is bad or undignified, well, that sounds like saying “they all look the same.”

WHarropson said:
That’s a good question.

I watched O’Reilly’s debate with Jon Stewart Monday night, and immediately afterwards, I voted on the poll.

I did not have to register and never have registered before.

tatboy said:
Since your such a fan of typo and spelling flames f^ckwad, you might want to learn how to spell “won” you mouth breathing dumb@ss. Nice attempt at correction after the fact BTW. Don’t spelling flame others if you don’t want it done to you… you POS.

U mad? Go get another tribal tattoo, you Tool fan.

Zermatt2 said:
Or that George Bush Sr. was entertained by Andrew Dice Clay at the Kennedy Center…..ADC is a misogynist, homophobe, and racist. Isn’t that what teabaggers and other Obama haters are also claiming, that Common is a misogynist?

Yeah it just shows how desperate the Fox drones are at this point, they are throwing everything against the wall and seeing if it sticks. It’s backfiring big time, ratings for Fox, and right wing radio are tanking because people are tired of it now, it was cute early on now it smacks of desperation.

WHarropson said:
Why no comment about George H Bush and Michael Jackson?

Rap in the White House? Yeah that is dignified isn’t it.
Jon pointed to other bad ideas for White house guests and therefore, The star of Profanity Central is winning the debate.

American experiment is running its course, and for traditionalists it’s not turning out well. Tell me I’m wrong about that statement.

By the way, your statement about “for traditionalists it’s not turning out well” is a true statement. We can’t live in the world of the founding fathers. Things change, and, for “traditionalists,” change is hard.

I noticed another Mediaite article in which it is pointed out that O’Reilly disagrees with Dick Morris about his praise of Newt Gingrich. O’Reilly also questions Morris’ assertion that Michelle Bachmann is “brilliant.” Apparently, this “traditionalist,” at least in this case, is moving away from some other “traditionalists” and “constitutionalists.”

hgarner2000 said:
John Stewart did win the argument in my view, although Bill proved to be a worthy opponent. But who voted in this poll? Was it people who were already registered at the website, or mostly people who registered after the segment aired?

Isn’t Bill O’Reilly the “highest rated” program on cable news? How many viewers does he have? Isn’t it above 2 million a night?

Why wouldn’t all of Bill’s viewers, or a substantial number of them, vote on that poll?

Even if many of Jon Stewart’s fans watched that debate and subsequently voted, does that invalidate their vote? They saw the debate and voted.

Usually, when O’Reilly has a poll, things go in his favor. That is because the majority of his viewers (not all) are conservative, “traditionalists,” Republicans, etc. I don’t think I’ve ever heard Bill complain that the results of his polls are skewed because his mainly conservative viewership voted in his polls.

Color Me Badd said:
U mad? Go get another tribal tattoo, you Tool fan.

You dumb? I don’t have tribals…. they’re so early 90′s. But I did get a retro Betty Page Lady Luck on my right calf not too long ago. Thanks for asking.

Good to know that comedic intelligence and wit wins over condescending narcissism & sarcasm.

printbrat said:
Good to know that comedic intelligence and wit wins over condescending narcissism & sarcasm.

You really don’t think Jon and Colbert are condescending? You must not watch much.

Color Me Badd said:
Yeah it just shows how desperate the Fox drones are at this point, they are throwing everything against the wall and seeing if it sticks. It’s backfiring big time, ratings for Fox, and right wing radio are tanking because people are tired of it now, it was cute early on now it smacks of desperation.

lollollollollollollol you want to put your welfare check on this stupid statement you just made? Tanking? lollollollol

With Obama, it’s a pattern!

Rev. Wright, Bill Ayers. Tony Rezko, Blago, etc.!

Did Stewart or Colbert put the word out on any of their shows to vote? I didn’t see anything on Reddit or Gawker encouraging voting (doesn’t mean it wasn’t there, but I do spend too much time on those.) I guess my question is, was there a viral campaign to get votes? If so, I certainly didn’t hear about it. Of course, it wouldn’t be be the first party I wasn’t invited to.

I see Abe Lincoln was right. You can’t fool all the people all the time.

Colby, it may not have occurred to you, but there is a difference between having the stronger argument and being the better debater (in the moment).

For some reason, Bill was definitely NOT the better debater that evening. He was off his game, as you and almost everyone noticed. You should acknowledge that 4/5th of his viewers were pointing out that fact, as did I.

But Colby, COME ON MAN, being out debated is not the same thing as having the weaker argument. Your failure to recognize that difference only wins you a “weekly disgrace to Mediate” award.

There are several arguments which would have destroyed Stewart. The easiest among them would have been to force Stewart to compare the “democratic & alphabet media & mediaite” howell which would have accompanied the exact reverse in Bush’s white house. That alone would have made Stewart look foolish, but Bill was distracted & obsessed with other junk, so he lost the debate.

Just don’t ever say Stewart had the better case. People who do that should be unemployed.

Arkansas Steve said:
Colby, it may not have occurred to you, but there is a difference between having the stronger argument and being the better debater (in the moment).

For some reason, Bill was definitely NOT the better debater that evening. He was off his game, as you and almost everyone noticed. You should acknowledge that 4/5th of his viewers were pointing out that fact, as did I.

But Colby, COME ON MAN, being out debated is not the same thing as having the weaker argument. Your failure to recognize that difference only wins you a “weekly disgrace to Mediate” award.

There are several arguments which would have destroyed Stewart. The easiest among them would have been to force Stewart to compare the “democratic & alphabet media & mediaite” howell which would have accompanied the exact reverse in Bush’s white house. That alone would have made Stewart look foolish, but Bill was distracted & obsessed with other junk, so he lost the debate.

Just don’t ever say Stewart had the better case. People who do that should be unemployed.

Oh, but I disagree. Jon Stewart not only was the better debater; I will say it, Jon Stewart indeed “had the better case.”

First, while Jon Stewart may be defending the White House’s invite of Common, he has said that what he was pointing out was not that it was wrong or right; he was pointing out the “selective outrage” at Fox News. This is what Jon Stewart is known for…..pointing out the “selective outrage” and hypocrisy of other networks, including, notably, Fox News.

Not sure what you mean that Bill O’Reilly should have forced “Stewart to compare the democratic & Alphabet Media & mediate”……, but I think you mean that O’Reilly should have said that if Bush did something like this, liberals would be all over him. If that’s what you mean, I’m not sure you watch or know O’Reilly. O’Reilly often says that one misdeed does not justify another, so it wouldn’t make sense for O’Reilly to point this out.

But, as long as you point this out, there have been instances where Republican presidents have invited dubious people to WH or luncheons for the Republican president.

 …those who partook in the poll…

PARTOOK!?!?…PARTOOK!?!?  Hey, partake means to consume, have, give or receive a share of.  Are you saying that the results of this poll were insfluenced by people who ate it?

JazzyJim said:
After the hatchet job and of course usual Fox 24/7 attempt to create a false story about Common – it’s just another nail in the Fox Propaganda coffer as the “real fake” newz in America.

It was a hatchet job on Obama, but there wasn’t anything false about it. Common did the things they said he did. Fox just spun it so it looked like the WH was doing something wrong by inviting him. I think the WH ought to be open to everyoen, saints and sinners alike. I think most people agree. Fox has an agenda like MSNBC does. I don’t watch either.

O’Rielly gets credit for posting the results, but loses credit for saying that they must be “rigged.” The obvious fact is that every poll like that is rigged in the sense that the host of the show expects his/her audience to agree with him and usually leads the question in a way that is sure to get him/her a 90% agreement ratio.

This case was a little different in that there were two sides to the story, whie the kind of poll that is most often taken by the likes of Fox News or MSNBC hosts is presented right after that host has presented only his side of the story in a lengthy monologue.

Stewart won because he is true to himself and his beliefs — O’Reilly on the other hand want to be all things to all people. He is a PHONEY. He is also in the tank for Obama — listen carefully when he speaks — it’s TRUE. Also — a picture is worth a 1000 words: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ROsLAKq1xBs (Obama and O’Reilly in Love Tryst)!!!

SOOOOOOOOOOOOO FUNNNNNNNNNNNNNY!!!

tatboy said:
You dumb? I don’t have tribals…. they’re so early 90’s. But I did get a retro Betty Page Lady Luck on my right calf not too long ago. Thanks for asking.

Leg tattoos are for chicks, you a rockabilly chick?

Color Me Badd said:
U mad? Go get another tribal tattoo, you Tool fan.

Hey, now.

Do not knock Tool. Maynard has an amazing voice. :)

Jon Stewart had O’Reilly for lunch. I almost felt sorry for O’Reilly. O’Reilly next time you want to debate the Stewmaster you better do your homework. O’Reilly place checkers, Stewart plays chess.

I have a whole new respect for O’Reilly’s audience, well, 79% of them anyway.

The good guys don’t always win. Life isn’t fair. Evil prevails when good men do nothing. Never underestimate your opponent. Never over-estimate the American people. Be careful what you desire, you might get it.

I admit that I am disappointed, but, NOT that Oreilly was wrong or his argument weak.

Hmm, back in the 17th century, Galileo had the better argument, but, 79% thought he was Heretic. Ouch!

My Divorce… Never mind.

To: ZERMATT,

A thoughtful Post, as usual.

Moreover, my 84 year old Mom who spent 5 ski vacations in Zermatt, wishes she could talk to you. She remembers the little cemetery as well as, The Monte Rosa Hotel, etc.

This is the absolute truth, I swear, as I write this she is doing a needlework of the Matterhorn! NO kidding.

Thanks, Purveyor.

That’s really cool about your Mom. It’s so great that people get to travel, especially to places like Zermatt, and I’m glad your Mom was able to make those ski trips there. We’re of Irish descent (and some German and Dutch), and I sent my parents on their first European trip to Ireland. They loved it and have been back a number of other times.

I don’t remember the hotels I stayed at in Switzerland, but I kind of think I might have stayed at the Monte Rosa Hotel once…..think it is a pretty expensive hotel, and I usually don’t stay at expensive hotels, although I think I did so on one occasion. But, wherever you stay in Zermatt, it is such a wonderful place. I have such fond memories of going there.

That’s a nice thing your Mother is doing, needlework of the Matterhorn. Please give all my best to her, my fellow traveller. Next year I’m thinking about going back to Switzerland for my birthday…..in particular, to Zermatt!

It was a pretty dumb debate and, while I’m a big fan of Jon Stewart, I don’t think he had anything significant to say. However, I’m beginning to see something interesting happening at FOX. You must remember that Murdoch is probaly the biggest opportunist stalking the planet. In Britain, when the unlamented Tony Blair was about to become Prime Minister and the British public was very upset with the ineptitude of the Conservative Party, Murdoch’s papers and television properties suddenly switched their support to the Labour Party. I wouldn’t be surprised if something like that could happen here.
It does appear that the Republican/Conservative/Tea Party coalition is tanking because of the gross ineptitude and lack of common sense with these rightwingers. Admittedly, Paul Ryans’s attack on Medicaire, the Koch Bros attack on all social and economic legislation of the past 80 years and Killer Obama’s number on bin Laden is having a terrible effect on Republican chances of making any gains in 2012. And many people still remember Bush II’s wonderful adventure as boy-President. I would use O’Reilly as a bellweather – he’s an extremely skilled guy and he’s nowhere as awful as most rightwing media characters.

Mediaite’s Colby Hall says, “But those skeptics must now begrudgingly respect the work of O’Reilly or at least those who run his website.”

Actually, it unfolded differently that what you suggest.

When the poll was announced, O’Reilly said the poll who not allow multiple (automatic) voting. I am paraphrasing.

Then look what happened. Organized voting (e.g., bots) have totally scammed BillO’s poll resulting in a highly partisan and untrustworthy outcome.

Colby Hall should NOT be praising those who run his website. But instead, criticizing them for not implementing preventive methods (e.g., Captcha) to force single voting – or at least to block the use of bots and auto-voting.

In fairness to O’Reilly, the webmaster(s) may have decided voter verification with Captcha is too much of a burden (or inconvenience) and would discourage potential voters. I do not disagree.

A solution here is illusive. And it goes back to the 2008 GOP Primary campaign. Remember when an organized campaign for Ron Paul flooded Fox News with votes for “their guy” in a post-debate poll? ALthough in that case it may have been a phone in poll and not an online poll.

Zermatt2 said:
Oh, but I disagree. Jon Stewart not only was the better debater; I will say it, Jon Stewart indeed “had the better case.” First, while Jon Stewart may be defending the White House’s invite of Common, he has said that what he was pointing out was not that it was wrong or right; he was pointing out the “selective outrage” at Fox News. This is what Jon Stewart is known for…..pointing out the “selective outrage” and hypocrisy of other networks, including, notably, Fox News. Not sure what you mean that Bill O’Reilly should have forced “Stewart to compare the democratic & Alphabet Media & mediate”……, but I think you mean that O’Reilly should have said that if Bush did something like this, liberals would be all over him. If that’s what you mean, I’m not sure you watch or know O’Reilly. O’Reilly often says that one misdeed does not justify another, so it wouldn’t make sense for O’Reilly to point this out. But, as long as you point this out, there have been instances where Republican presidents have invited dubious people to WH or luncheons for the Republican president.

I’m sorry, but Stewart’s arguments to defend Common were weak beyond belief.

Comparing Common to Bono is in fact comparing Shakur to Peltier, there is no way around that: and comparing Shakur’s case to Peltier’s is ridiculous.

Im not going to go into too much detail- do your own homework on this- but the differences in the cases are almost too numerous to list here. Shakur and Peltier are dramatically different people with different motives and widely varying degrees of evidence against them. Its laughable to say its exactly the same thing.

Its also laughable for Stewart to say “I dont know Common, I can’t speak for him,” yet he repeatedly said that “all Common is saying is that shes innocent”. Wouldn’t that be speaking for him then? That aside, Stewart is also very wrong here.

In fact there is a great deal of evidence to suggest that Common not only supports her, but her POLITICS, which probably has as much to do with the outrage as what she was convicted of. Her political beliefs are radical and should be nowhere near the presidency in any degree- Thats what many Americans feel and are upset about when it comes to this. While Fox did push this story, it still has to resonate with people to go anywhere- and this story struck a nerve.

Stewart also refused to admit to whether he would have invited Common himself- dodging the question with a joke like “if I was president I’d have better things to do than host a poetry slam” which tells you all you need to know about his true feelings: That he deep down thought that inviting Common was a bad idea.

You are correct about one thing though- Stewart isn’t wrong about Fox’s selective outrage. The problem is Stewart has no room to speak. Jon Stewart is every bit as partisan as Fox, and the Daily Show is every bit of a “selective outrage machine” as Fox- Its only difference is style, not substance. TDS is highly partisan, highly opinionated, heavily edited political programming- all the things TDS accuses Fox of being, but because they have a laughing audience its different? Hardly. Still, for some reason Stewart’s supporters think he’s some arbiter of truth and honesty. LOL. But I guess its not his fault that Daily Show watchers are easily duped by slick editing and some amusing puns.

So whether or not Stewart won the “debate”, which he did based on how lame O’Reilly was, Stewart still ended up making a incredibly lazy “cop killer” comparison, spoke for Common’s viewpoint while admitting he didnt know it, and tacitly admitted that he thought it was a bad idea to invite Common.

But yeah, other than that, Stewart is a hell of a debater. LOL.

Barack Must Go said:
It was rigged.

Absolutely.

timzank said:
Is anybody really surprised the Kos bots and MM bots flooded the poll?

Not only bots, but an individual can vote multiple times just like in Chicago. :)

It was a pretty dumb debate and, while I’m a big fan of Jon Stewart, I don’t think he had anything significant to say. However, I’m beginning to see something interesting happening at FOX. You must remember that Murdoch is probaly the biggest opportunist stalking the planet. In Britain, when the unlamented Tony Blair was about to become Prime Minister and the British public was very upset with the ineptitude of the Conservative Party, Murdoch’s papers and television properties suddenly switched their support to the Labour Party. I wouldn’t be surprised if something like that could happen here. Murdoch loves winners.
It does appear that the Republican/Conservative/Tea Party coalition is tanking because of the gross ineptitude and lack of common sense with these rightwingers. Admittedly, Paul Ryans’s attack on Medicaire, the Koch Bros attack on all social and economic legislation of the past 80 years and Killer Obama’s number on bin Laden is having a terrible effect on Republican chances of making any gains in 2012. And many people still remember Bush II’s wonderful adventure as boy-President. I would use O’Reilly as a bellweather – he’s an extremely skilled propagandist and he’s nowhere as awful as most rightwing media characters.

DaTruth said:
Come on, Hall…even you’re smart enough to know that any online poll is easily subject to skewing. You honestly think “his viewers” would have chosen Stewart’s position? Seriously?
Once word gets out that there’s an online poll that some group or another wants to influence, the word is spread. The righties do it, and the lefties do it.
So come on…get a clue.

Colby Hall comes out of this looking like both a naive observer and a partisan defender of Fox News.

Emma said:
Dear Colby Hall,
Let’s look at Greta Van Susteren’s ridiculous polls and the manner in which she blatantly tries to skew them.
Thanks in advance.

I would add one more thing.

Although I haven’t checked lately, sometime ago I wrote Greta suggesting her polls would be a lot more interesting if the outcome wasn’t so predictable. I had checked three polls and in all three at least 83% voted for one side.

That’s not polling – that’s cheer leading. Or more accurately, getting your viewers so riled up about one side of the poll that they come to your website. What’s next, a poll asking, “Do you support are troops?” :)

jon won as O’Reilly always loses his temper and Jon thinks he’s a nut case and over the top on this subject. Bill could’nt let Jon even talk as hes so sure hes right. He never lets anyone talk on his program as he has to big of a ego. We would like to hear what your guest say “BILL” not just U,your rude and arrogant.

Bill O’Reilly is not that bright ia quite shallow. Jon Stewart exposed him as the foolish right wing hypocritical airbag that he is. Who with any sense lisa to Bill O’Reilly?

BarneyFranken said:
I’m sorry, but Stewart’s arguments to defend Common were weak beyond belief.

Comparing Common to Bono is in fact comparing Shakur to Peltier, there is no way around that: and comparing Shakur’s case to Peltier’s is ridiculous.

Im not going to go into too much detail- do your own homework on this- but the differences in the cases are almost too numerous to list here. Shakur and Peltier are dramatically different people with different motives and widely varying degrees of evidence against them. Its laughable to say its exactly the same thing.
…..

Stewart also refused to admit to whether he would have invited Common himself- dodging the question with a joke like “if I was president I’d have better things to do than host a poetry slam” which tells you all you need to know about his true feelings: That he deep down thought that inviting Common was a bad idea.

You are correct about one thing though- Stewart isn’t wrong about Fox’s selective outrage. The problem is Stewart has no room to speak. Jon Stewart is every bit as partisan as Fox, and the Daily Show is every bit of a “selective outrage machine” as Fox- Its only difference is style, not substance. TDS is highly partisan, highly opinionated, heavily edited political programming- all the things TDS accuses Fox of being, but because they have a laughing audience its different? Hardly. Still, for some reason Stewart’s supporters think he’s some arbiter of truth and honesty. LOL. But I guess its not his fault that Daily Show watchers are easily duped by slick editing and some amusing puns.

But yeah, other than that, Stewart is a hell of a debater. LOL.

BarneyFranken,

I just finished a reply, but then my internet connection dropped. So I will try to list most of my points.

First, I have to apologize because I accidentally gave you a “thumbs up” vote when I had every intention of giving your comments a “thumbs down.” In short, I respectfully highly disagree with you.

I’m not sure why the two cases are dramatically different. I guess one involved an American Indian man who was accused of and convicted of killing 2 FBI agents “execution style.” And the other case involves an American black woman who was accused of and convicted of killing a single police officer.

But in both cases, there is evidence that neither person actually killed a law enforcement officer, and in both cases, some people think they are innocent. Common apparently believes Shakur was wrongly convicted.

I was quite young, in grade school, when both of these cases took place, and I don’t remember anything about them. I knew of neither Common nor Assata Shakur before last week, although I did know just a little bit about Leonard Peltier. I’d be willing to bet that many do not know much about these cases, or Common, except what they might hear from Fox News.

From what I have read about Shakur, one of the troopers involved in the case admitted he lied on the police report. Several witnesses in the Peltier case later admitted they also lied. In the Shakur case, a number of medical experts testified that she could not have pulled the trigger of a gun because of nerve damage she sustained in the shootout. They testified that she could only have been shot with her hands above her head, indicating that perhaps she was surrendering but then was shot. There was no gunpowder residue on her hands. There were no fingerprints on any of the guns involved.

There were other discrepancies, as there were in the Peltier case.

It is also believed that Shakur was the subject of a COINTELPRO investigation, and a number of these were later shown to be illegal. Note that J. Edgar Hoover also went after Dr. Spock and the lyrics to “Louie Louie.”

It is known that human rights groups filed complaints about Shakur’s sore mistreatment while in custody. A U.N. Human Rights Commision report stated that her mistreatment was some of the worst they had ever seen of someone in prison. If you read all of the lyrics of the song in question, much of them speak about this mistreatment. Common believes the woman is innocent; he has reason for this, and he has even more reason to believe in and protest her mistreatment.

As far as Jon Stewart is concerned, no, his fans, like me, are not “easily duped” with “slick editing.” I watch O’Reilly’s program fairly often. I can cite instances where I sent him an email, right after one of his segments, and then the next night, Stewart slams O’Reilly for the same exact thing I did. I bet you money that a huge percentage of what Jon Stewart says is easily verifiable. It is not a duping of his viewers with slick editing. Why does Bill O’Reilly respect him so much and invite him on his program if Jon Stewart is in effect a liar, as you imply?

I have seen analyses which indicate that viewers of TDS are more intelligent than Fox News viewers. These analyses indicate that TDS viewers are more likely to complete a 4 year college degree and that they are more likely to be able to answer questions about politics and current events. I also have seen a recent University of MD study which indicates that Fox viewers are more likely to believe misinformation than viewers of other networks.

Jon Stewart also on occasion bashes liberals and Democrats. A couple of months ago, Stewart bashed that relatively unknown Congressman who compared Fox News’ propaganda to that of the Nazis. Most recently, I have noticed that he’s gone after Ed Schultz (MSNBC) the past few months, and that includes last night’s program.

I will further defend Stewart by saying that he is a comedian with, yes, certain political beliefs. However, O’Reilly and Fox News profess to be “fair and balanced.” O’Reilly’s program is meant to be a serious news and commentary program most of the time while TDS is not. So, yes, Jon Stewart does have room to say what he said about “selective outrage.”

And, finally, just want to say that Jon Stewart’s arguments were strong. You may not like his arguments; you may honestly believe they were not as strong as O’Reilly’s; but his arguments were most definitely not “weak beyond belief.”

Looks like liberal pranksters played with the poll.

http://www.businessinsider.com/bill-oreilly-jon-stewart-reddit-poll-2011-5

The votes are in: Jon Stewart kicked Bill O’Reilly’s butt in their showdown.

Say who?

Says O’Reilly’s own website.

Wait, what?

Amazingly, 79% of the 72,145 votes cast in a poll on the Fox News pundit’s site favored Stewart’s argument regarding Common’s invite to the White House.

How is that possible?

Blame Reddit.

The internet message board sent thousands of voters to skew the poll numbers, claiming a fun little victory in their ongoing war with Fox News.

The influx of voters gave Stewart the win in every state. There is a lot of red on that chart to the right, almost certainly the only time you will see the color associated so closely with the Daily Show host.

(By comparison, almost every other poll on O’Reilly’s site has less than 10,000 votes.)

I knew it.

Could very well be that the poll was skewed. That’s a good lesson. O’Reilly seldom points out that these are unscientific and therefore unworthy of any consideration, though he often uses them to enhance his arguments.

Zermatt2 said:
Not sure what you want me to say. From what I know, I have no problem with George Bush and Michael Jackson. As far as rap is concerned, I don’t particularly care for it, not because of its lyrics, but because it often has no “beat” or music that I like. And, if you generalize by thinking all rap is bad or undignified, well, that sounds like saying “they all look the same.”

Youmay have missed the whole context of the George HW Bush post by me so I’m pasting it below.
Thanks for your cdomment.

O’Reilly is a defender of the dignity of the office of POTUS, and he may be wasting his efforts on an office that has long lost it’s dignity..

When George H Bush entertained Michael Jackson and appointed him Points of light Ambassador about the time of riots in LA and soon after Jackson’s video broadcast zipping his zipper up and down and beating the windows out of store fronts and cars and white gloving his private regions I got a letter to the editor published in the OC Register. I was disgusted back then, and equally uncomfortable now! So the American people are ok with the degradations of the WH celebrating cop killers. I’m on O’Reilly’s side on this, I guess we have been over-ruled, the American experiment is running its course, and for traditionalists it’s not turning out well

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
ACORN or the NBPP? Should we get Breitbart and O’Keefe on this?

skyfet said:
Even them realized O’Reiley and his fellow travelers at Fox are phonies. And Billo is blaming his own poll, for his failure.

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
Things aren’t always what they appear. Especially at FOX “News”.

Barack Must Go said:
It was rigged.

Barack Must Go said:
I’m imagining if the actual data where scrutinized one would find this poll had 10 times more respondents than any previous of O’Reilly’s.

If you dug a bit deeper one could find Tweets and what ever other way todays hipster, stoner, bridge dweller ( basically Stewart’s entire demographic ) got the word out to ” slam this mutha ” by having not only yourselves, but your little brothers and sisters call in.

Seventy five percent of the calls probably came from those pre paid disposable cell phones you libs prefer ( all your bad credit allows ).

Hey, I’m all for that has O’Reilly rethinking his manhood, so I wish you libs would call in and mess with him every night.

The only problem there it might just have the opposite effect and he”ll start bragging about how he now too, has the most respondents to HIS poll questions than anyone else in the world.

It’s unstoppable this thing we call O’Reilly…..it’s taken on a self sustaining life of it’s own.

And people actually think that Reddit has 72,000 people on its site that would bother to vote (unlike O’Reilly’s own fans, he is the most popular cable TV personality). But somehow this little known website of Reddit could pull more people than O’Reilly’s?!?!?
C’mon, people. What’s the next conspiracy theory?

Only in obama’s amerika where the libs are so blue the ends always justify their cheating way of life.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HPy3cfxuKxk&feature=related

LIbs have nothing better to do than to rig polls and elections, as Gore attempted and thankfully failed in Florida.

This poll is very revealing:

FNC is honest.

Libs are not.

Colby, here is your update:

” It appears that that Reddit voters took over this particular poll to ensure a victory for Stewart.
And while its clear that there was an effort to drive Reddit traffic to the poll….”. Wha?

Is if fair to say You were less than enthusiastic in correcting the record. This doesn’t read well like when you are enthusiastic.