The voices in Olby’s head often argue with each other . Sometimes it becomes a fistfight .

Never trust friendly advice from the competition, especially Olbermann.

So why was it bad that Sanchez lead with the shooting?

Olby also wanted the Yankees to change pitchers in the 3rd . He also thought Frank on American Pickers overpaid for the gumball machine , and guy on the Spanish channel should stop saying “Captain Crunch ” in English .

Because it was ACTUAL News and MSNBC shuns that type of garbage. If it had been a RWE (or somebody who looked like one) there would have been references to Timothy McVeigh all over the place and MSNBC would have devoted the whole evening to it.

Instead it was just a pissed off black guy and therefore not newsworthy.

The only people who care about who gay people sleep with are political gay people. For most of us it’s a non-issue. I think 8 people murdered is far more important than a state’s decision on what they agree is a recognized union.

More Liberty said:
So why was it bad that Sanchez lead with the shooting?

It wasn’t bad at all.

State a fact or some information that informs people.

When the news is considered less than important than than the reporter or their opinions….

That’s when I start worrying.

*only one “than”

Hm, I wonder if Olberdork would feel the same way if a shooter had been a tea-partier, rather than an African American Obama lover? Something to think about.

MichelleF said:
Hm, I wonder if Olberdork would feel the same way if a shooter had been a tea-partier, rather than an African American Obama lover? Something to think about.

You are injecting race into a news item that was ignored by a pundit commenting on a theoretical states rights proposition.

It’s clear that you have issues with Obama and his “heritage” but the issue has run its’ course.

Seriously, anything else to offer?

Lazzzlo, I have NO problem with Obama’s race. My point, and I’m pretty sure you knew this, was if a crime is committed by a right winger, it’s front page news for a week. If it’s commited by anyone other than that, it’s buried. That’s just fact.

What if it were a WHITE shooter SLAUGHTERING 8 BLACK co-workers!

Olbermann, Sharpton, the Black Caucus & THEIR “mainstream media” have BLOOD ON THEIR HANDS over this; because THEY are the ones propogating the “WHITE RACISM” CANARD that savages like this predator in Conn. use as an excuse for their violence!

EVERYONE should be EXPOSING the RACIST LIE by the Democrats, Their Supporters, & THEIR Media!!

ps) How would the Democratic Media have reported this story if the racial roles were reversed?

CASE CLOSED!!!!!!!

Olbermann is the saddest individual in the world . Seriously. He has never made a mistake in his life . His low ratings , according to him aren’t low , because he is the # 1 non FOX show & FOX isn’t ” real news ” . The fact that he ” happens to like Rick Sanchez ” says it all . I guess a black man killing 9 people upsets his white guilt.
If your trying to make reason of Keith’s statement, just stop. He is a seriously deranged man , with a severe personality and paranoia disorder .

Norbit, that is a good point. The left is constantly saying Glenn Beck is responsible for violence, but if that’s true, the same could apply here. The left has started an all out race-war. They call ANYONE who disagrees with BO in the slightest a racist. If Glenn and Rush are responsible for violence on the right, then Obama and the left are responsible for the violence on the left. Tit for tat.

My take on this tiff:

- Olbermann is a pundit. He practices solid journalism most of the time, but sensationalism and theatrics are his game. That said, he’s entitled to his opinion.

- Rick Sanchez is the host of a cable news show, and decided to (likely by committee) to lead off with the story he did. His and his staffs’ right to do so. In the grand scheme of things, where news cycles sometimes last not days but hours, who gives a shit?

I swear, the stupid fucking things journalists nitpick over sometimes……

“He practices solid journalism most of the time ”

Dude, honestly, probably the most hilarious line I’ve read in a long time .

A court ruling over turning prop 8 in our largest state that will almost surely lead to gay marriage as legal in the entire country is on par with Roe v Wade.This is a huge culture change that will affect millions of people and business practices.Another shooting?Chalk that one as a win for the gun lobby that has already won and has made cowards of our elected leaders.

murf said:
“He practices solid journalism most of the time ”

Dude, honestly, probably the most hilarious line I’ve read in a long time .

By relating current events the facts regarding them, he *mostly* reports verifiable info, cites sources, and issues retractions.

Despite how you might feel about him personally (I don’t really like him myself) or disagree with his political leanings, he does practice solid journalism most of the time.

Be objective when viewing the world. And skeptical, I might add. Also read Carl Sagan and Christopher Hitchens, because that could always do you some good.

Some_Dude . Sorry, but Keith Olbermann does NOT practice ” solid ” jounalism . This is well known . Seriously, watch his show , then go check out Think Progress , Media Matters , and Daily Kos . You will find ,that , he has done little research on said topic , and takes a story off one of those 3 websites and portrays it as 100% fact to his viewers. Trust me, 70% of what he reports, are later debunked, or heavily exaggerated .

Gay activists have a highly inflated opinion of their status. Most of us could care less who they sleep with, (anymore than we care about who our straight friends sleep with). My issue is why we consent as a country to give the government to “authorize” marriage anyway.

murf said:
“He practices solid journalism most of the time ” Dude, honestly, probably the most hilarious line I’ve read in a long time .

ditto dat murf….rotflmao!

lazzzlo said:
You are injecting race into a news item that was ignored by a pundit commenting on a theoretical states rights proposition. It’s clear that you have issues with Obama and his “heritage” but the issue has run its’ course. Seriously, anything else to offer?

You know perfectly well…unless you are a complete slobbering moron, that had the shooter been a tea party member the story would, as many people here have stated, lead every MSM newscast for a week or longer. It has nothing to do with race, except to indicate the fact that the left would have USED RACE to prop this story had the tables been turned and the shooter been a white tea partier. Simply pointing that out does not count as injecting race…nice try though. By the way, considering the state of Proposition 8, I’d say it is past the “theoretical” stage, so you might want to spend more time thinking of big words before you hypomagically type them.

Watching the liberal progressives and their followers try to mask their true intentions, many of which you most likely are unwilling to research or admit…is truly pathetic. At this point the evidence for what they are trying to do is academic. It’s been proven. It’s done…all you have to do is look.

Obama’s heritage? You mean Mulatto? Abandoned by three parents, left to live with communist grandparents that hooked him up with nothing but marxxists his entire life? It’s all there…just look.

Andrew Breitbart: American Badass…takin it to the weasels where they live…hahahahahahahahaha. Reading the news is truly fun again.

Some_Dude said:
By relating current events the facts regarding them, he *mostly* reports verifiable info, cites sources, and issues retractions. Despite how you might feel about him personally (I don’t really like him myself) or disagree with his political leanings, he does practice solid journalism most of the time. Be objective when viewing the world. And skeptical, I might add. Also read Carl Sagan and Christopher Hitchens, because that could always do you some good.

C’mon….. You gotta be kidding! You guys are funny.

Even the JournoLister’s said he’s full-o-shit!

I can’t believ you guys would call what he does ‘solid journalism’. Good grief! I guess in your world of double-standards and one-way streets it actually DOES qualify as ‘journalism’ to be completely and totally partisan. Where’s the balance, y’all?

http://www.olbermannwatch.com/

Check that chart and tell me more about being ‘objective and skeptical’ Some-Dude.

What a friggin’ joke.

Countdown: Olbermann’s finest moments [VIDEO]

Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2010/07/16/countdown-olbermanns-finest-moments-video/#ixzz0vk3rCLR2

These videos are short but GREAT! I especially love the “we are literally, dreadfully sorry” added to the end of each one…

He’s SORRY all right! LITERALLY!! lmfao!

FOX NEWS ALERT !!! KEITH OLBERMANN ON A HIGH SPEED CHASE !!!!!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4posttRFJg&feature=youtube_gdata

“But how CNN could begin with the Connecticut shooting, bad as it was, is inexplicable”

Yeah, why would Sanchez do that? Who cares if a black racist murders 8 white people? Certainly not a black ass kisser par excellence like Keith Olbermann. Besides, that doesn’t fit in with the leftwing media narrative that only whites are racist and violent.

Olbermann is trying to give fatherly advice to his competition on how to be 30′th or below in the cable rankings. He seems to be proving his point. What time is “Chopped” on?

” He practices solid journalism most of the time” Some_Dude

OK, your head has been up Royal’s ass far too long.

NORBIT says:
August 5, 2010 at 9:34 am NORBIT(Quote)

What if it were a WHITE shooter SLAUGHTERING 8 BLACK co-workers!

Then Norbit, it would have been the lead story on countdown.

Isn’t this part of Olbermann’s method, go after someone above him in the ratings? Didn’t Sanchez just score a win over Keith a few nights ago? So Keith’s response is basically, “I just lost to you, so let me tell you what you are doing incorrectly.”

The prop 8 decision was not news. A gay judge rules for gay marriage. DUH
It is going to the Supreme Court, then it will be a story.

“Olby also wanted the Yankees to change pitchers in the 3rd . He also thought Frank on American Pickers overpaid for the gumball machine , and guy on the Spanish channel should stop saying “Captain Crunch ” in English .”

HA!

Hey Keith….you need to rip your own company too….NBC Nightly News with Brian Williams led with the Connecticut shooting story last night too!

puck30 said:
NORBIT says:
August 5, 2010 at 9:34 am NORBIT(Quote)

What if it were a WHITE shooter SLAUGHTERING 8 BLACK co-workers!

Then Norbit, it would have been the lead story on countdown.

WORD!

I wonder how Sanchez is gonna respond about this over twitter, smh

Anderson didn’t even bother to mention the shootings on Tuesday and on Wednesday he spent 25 minutes on Prop 8. His report on the shootings only consisted of running the 911 tape and saying that murderer Omar Thornton’s family said that he was being racially harrassed, as if that is an excuse for murder.

I seem to remember him spending night after night talking passionately about the Holocaust murder of black security guard Stephen T. Johns by James Von Brunn. He even dug up Von Brunn’s old roommate and talked about the family of Johns. Last night no such passion was expressed regarding the murders of the white victims of Thornton, nor did he talk about the dangers of black racism, but when the Holocaust murder happened he even ran a special on white “American Radicals” and recently spent a great deal of time talking about white militia groups like the Hutaree, but all but ignored the DOJ / NBPP voter indimidation story.

I am not surprised because Anderson has a well established pattern of ignoring black on white crime.

Some smart jounalist should question Anderson about his indifference towards white victims of black crime. I would be interested in hearing his explanation.

FearMonger said:
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Sorry, I couldn’t remember where we were talking yesterday. Could you post the link to that thread you had with Tommy C? Wanted to get back to look it over, just didn’t want to do the extensive legwork. :)

Toadus said:
You know perfectly well…unless you are a complete slobbering moron, that had the shooter been a tea party member the story would, as many people here have stated, lead every MSM newscast for a week or longer. It has nothing to do with race, except to indicate the fact that the left would have USED RACE to prop this story had the tables been turned and the shooter been a white tea partier. Simply pointing that out does not count as injecting race…nice try though. By the way, considering the state of Proposition 8, I’d say it is past the “theoretical” stage, so you might want to spend more time thinking of big words before you hypomagically type them.

Watching the liberal progressives and their followers try to mask their true intentions, many of which you most likely are unwilling to research or admit…is truly pathetic. At this point the evidence for what they are trying to do is academic. It’s been proven. It’s done…all you have to do is look.

Obama’s heritage? You mean Mulatto? Abandoned by three parents, left to live with communist grandparents that hooked him up with nothing but marxxists his entire life? It’s all there…just look.

Andrew Breitbart: American Badass…takin it to the weasels where they live…hahahahahahahahaha. Reading the news is truly fun again.

I want this to be very understood that my “quote above” was in a response to another poster and has been taken out of context. In the future, I will be a bit more circumspect in my commentary.

lazzzlo said:
You are injecting race into a news item that was ignored by a pundit commenting on a theoretical states rights proposition. It’s clear that you have issues with Obama and his “heritage” but the issue has run its’ course. Seriously, anything else to offer?

First, Olbermann really should pay attention to his show while his show is on. I think Keith needs to put the Twitter away for at least an hour.

Second, so what if CNN starts with the shooting story, big deal. These were both big news stories. Now, it makes since for Olbermann should lead with it. It’s important for them. They are the place for politics. So, it makes since whether race related or not. If it had been a tea partier who shot, then yes, MSNBC should lead. That’s a political story now and not just a news item. But CNN is wanting to be non-partisan and absolutely start with that story.

And I know someone said “Well, the only people who care who gay people sleep with are gay politicians.” That guy should considering going to fuck themselves. Seriously, it’s not a gay people sleeping with other gays. It’s about civil rights. It should be an issue we should all be concerned with. No man, woman, or child should have their rights impeded, and that’s the issue. Not politics, not religion, it’s about people. And that’s more important than anything in this country. Cause that’s what this country is made of…people.

Toadus….don’t ever speak for me and my bad typing.

MichelleF said:
Norbit, that is a good point. The left is constantly saying Glenn Beck is responsible for violence, but if that’s true, the same could apply here. The left has started an all out race-war. They call ANYONE who disagrees with BO in the slightest a racist. If Glenn and Rush are responsible for violence on the right, then Obama and the left are responsible for the violence on the left. Tit for tat.

Kudos Michelle, love your posts – Ditto notsofast & puck30.

Murph, GREAT VIDEO!!!!!

Anderson didn’t even bother to mention the shootings on Tuesday and on Wednesday he spent 25 minutes on Prop 8. His report on the shootings only consisted of running the 911 tape and saying that murderer Omar Thornton’s family said that he was being racially harrassed, as if that is an excuse for murder.

I seem to remember him spending night after night talking passionately about the Holocaust murder of black security guard Stephen T. Johns by James Von Brunn. He even dug up Von Brunn’s old roommate and talked about the family of Johns. Last night no such passion was expressed regarding the murders of the white victims of Thornton, nor did he talk about the dangers of black racism, but when the Holocaust murder happened he even ran a special on white “American Radicals” and recently spent a great deal of time talking about white militia groups like the Hutaree while he all but ignored the DOJ / NBPP voter indimidation story.

I am not surprised because Anderson has a well established pattern of ignoring black on white crime.

Some smart jounalist should question Anderson about his indifference towards white victims of black crime. I would be interested in hearing his explanation.

In the far left mind, there is no such thing as a violent black person. To someone like Olbermann, the shooting story would be like explaining nuclear physics to a Neanderthal man. It just wouldn’t register.

MichelleF said:
Norbit, that is a good point. The left is constantly saying Glenn Beck is responsible for violence, but if that’s true, the same could apply here. The left has started an all out race-war. They call ANYONE who disagrees with BO in the slightest a racist. If Glenn and Rush are responsible for violence on the right, then Obama and the left are responsible for the violence on the left. Tit for tat.

The shooter had a cell phone picture of bathroom graffiti with his name wrapped in a noose. Now, I don’t think MSNBC is responsible for that. He has a white girlfriend, so he doesn’t hate white people. I think you may be confusing politics with an act of heartless, non-sensical violence. This is not the same thing. He didn’t do it because Obama told him to. He did it because he was a confused individual. See, the difference is that Glenn Beck and the right’s speech is hate based for political reasons. It’s dangerous because he keeps talking of revolution and violence. And there are those that can’t tell the difference between metaphor and reality. Race violence has been around since well before Obama. And I don’t think the left is screaming, “Well, if you feel like you’ve been wrongfully terminated, grab a gun!”

And don’t think I’m trying to say what this guy did was right. It wasn’t. This guy did something monstrous. But he wasn’t influenced by what Olbermann has been saying. Or what Obama has said. Do you see the difference?

Yes, perm. We see the difference. If there’s a white perpetrator and a black victim, it’s a ‘hate crime’ and it’s all about race. If the perp is black and the victim is white, the words ‘hate crime’ are never mentioned.

Since when did Mediaite start placing comments in “moderation”?

Permatiltx said:
See, the difference is that Glenn Beck and the right’s speech is hate based for political reasons. It’s dangerous because he keeps talking of revolution and violence. And there are those that can’t tell the difference between metaphor and reality. Race violence has been around since well before Obama. And I don’t think the left is screaming, “Well, if you feel like you’ve been wrongfully terminated, grab a gun!” And don’t think I’m trying to say what this guy did was right. It wasn’t. This guy did something monstrous. But he wasn’t influenced by what Olbermann has been saying. Or what Obama has said. Do you see the difference?

Once again we see the leftists excusing away violence that comes from a source close to home, but then turn around and declare the tea-party is worse because they will become violent some day. The mobs protesting in Arizona? Mostly peacful. The G-20 anti-capitalists trashing downtown Toronto? It was the cops fault. SEIU supporters attacking protesters? George Bush’s fault that they are out of work. But those tea-party people have used words that can be interpreted as possibly violent. They are the worst!

Please give instances where Glenn Beck has said anything approaching a call for violence, because he constantly calls for peace from anyone organizing. I know that doesn’t fit your template, but it is the truth.

writer said:
Yes, perm. We see the difference. If there’s a white perpetrator and a black victim, it’s a ‘hate crime’ and it’s all about race. If the perp is black and the victim is white, the words ‘hate crime’ are never mentioned.

But I was arguing that this was Obama and MSNBC’s fault. That was my point. And besides, what is the definition of a hate crime? This is a crime, 100%, an awful crime. But was it a random act of violence because someone didn’t like their race? See, the delusion in this guy’s head was that they were out to get him. He doesn’t hate white people (white girlfriend unless he did it as self punishment). The guy thought he was in danger. He had reported about being persecuted due to race at his job. If a guy beats up a gay guy because he’s gay, well, that’s a hate crime, absolutely. If a black guy kills a white guy on the street just because he’s white, hate crime. If a white guy kills a black guy because he thought the black guy consistently made threatening implications and persecution, not a hate crime. It’s a crime, don’t get me wrong, but just not a hate crime. You know, I hate using the word hate crime as much as the other guy. How about race based crime? Yes, this is a race based crime. There’s more to the story and you do the people who died as well as the family members a great disservice to go out and call this a hate crime without knowing the sad, twisted back story.

I didn’t call it a hate crime, perm. Just said that when there’s a black perp and a white victim, you will never hear the words ‘hate crime’ used, even if the perp was yelling ‘kill whitey’ as he was shooting. The left wing media believes that any story concerning black racism is politically incorrect, and goes out of their way to downplay any racial angle when a perp is black. However, they delight in playing up the racial angle if the perp is white and the victim is black.

Permatiltx said:
But I was arguing that this was Obama and MSNBC’s fault. That was my point. And besides, what is the definition of a hate crime? This is a crime, 100%, an awful crime. But was it a random act of violence because someone didn’t like their race? See, the delusion in this guy’s head was that they were out to get him. He doesn’t hate white people (white girlfriend unless he did it as self punishment). The guy thought he was in danger. He had reported about being persecuted due to race at his job. If a guy beats up a gay guy because he’s gay, well, that’s a hate crime, absolutely. If a black guy kills a white guy on the street just because he’s white, hate crime. If a white guy kills a black guy because he thought the black guy consistently made threatening implications and persecution, not a hate crime. It’s a crime, don’t get me wrong, but just not a hate crime. You know, I hate using the word hate crime as much as the other guy. How about race based crime? Yes, this is a race based crime. There’s more to the story and you do the people who died as well as the family members a great disservice to go out and call this a hate crime without knowing the sad, twisted back story.

If someone else hurts someone else….no apologies for it.

There is no difference. Everyone is responsible for their actions..

I think we all wish this doesn’t need to be explained.

People will always be this way. It “sucks” but it it is the truth.

You can arm yourself….hopefully with words of wisdom.

But remember that shotguns can be friendly as well.

When you teach your children….you tell them how to be safe at night.

I’m tired of apologizing for other people and their actions.

writer said:
I didn’t call it a hate crime, perm. Just said that when there’s a black perp and a white victim, you will never hear the words ‘hate crime’ used, even if the perp was yelling ‘kill whitey’ as he was shooting. The left wing media believes that any story concerning black racism is politically incorrect, and goes out of their way to downplay any racial angle when a perp is black. However, they delight in playing up the racial angle if the perp is white and the victim is black.

So, I will ask, as I will ask Michelle and others, how is this crime the left’s fault? How is it the same when that guy Byron Williams opened fire on police officers to start a revolution by attacking the ACLU? He did it because, because as his mother says, he was angry at “the way Congress was railroading through all these left-wing agenda items.” Now, that’s not the same thing. Look, the crime was terrible. I won’t disagree with that. I won’t disagree that members of the left wing media believes that black racism is politically incorrect. (I believe that when you call out black racism but forget to mention the painful history that caused that racism, that’s not so much politically incorrect, but it’s a bit heartless and a bit revisionist history). I disagree that this is the left’s fault, the same way that Byron Williams was the right’s fault. I don’t agree. It’s a great way to take a disdainful painful act and use it as political fodder to gain ground, but at the same time, a horrible way to forget about people that died and the families that suffer.

And if they aren’t playing up the race angle, how do I know all these facts about the case involving race? I got it from the newspaper. I know he was black, he felt he was persecuted by his white co-workers, and he snapped and killed people in cold blood when he was fired. I know that before he turned the gun on himself, he called his girlfriend and said “I got those racists.” I know that there is a painful level of sadness to the story from all elements. I’m not going to politicize it. That’s just cold.

You’d have to ask the one that said it’s the left’s fault, perm. I didn’t. All I said is that the left wing media plays up white on black crime, but downplays black on white crime. Just look up the crime stats from the FBI or DOJ and see which race is victimizing the other more often.

NORBIT said:
What if it were a WHITE shooter SLAUGHTERING 8 BLACK co-workers!

Olbermann, Sharpton, the Black Caucus & THEIR “mainstream media” have BLOOD ON THEIR HANDS over this; because THEY are the ones propogating the “WHITE RACISM” CANARD that savages like this predator in Conn. use as an excuse for their violence!

EVERYONE should be EXPOSING the RACIST LIE by the Democrats, Their Supporters, & THEIR Media!!

I hate to say it but you are right. If it had been a white man taking out 8 black men….OMG there would be hell to pay.

MartiniShark said:
Once again we see the leftists excusing away violence that comes from a source close to home, but then turn around and declare the tea-party is worse because they will become violent some day. The mobs protesting in Arizona? Mostly peacful. The G-20 anti-capitalists trashing downtown Toronto? It was the cops fault. SEIU supporters attacking protesters? George Bush’s fault that they are out of work. But those tea-party people have used words that can be interpreted as possibly violent. They are the worst!

Please give instances where Glenn Beck has said anything approaching a call for violence, because he constantly calls for peace from anyone organizing. I know that doesn’t fit your template, but it is the truth.

Here, I should clarify. Glenn Beck does not deliberately incite violence. I don’t think he tells people to grab your guns and start a-shootin’ ol’ lefty. No, he doesn’t. He does use dangerous words that people who can’t tell the difference between reality and metaphor will take up arms against. Happened with that Byron Williams guy. When he talks that a “great evil” is coming, and that Progressives will lead to the Chinese killing 70 million people, 40 million killed by Stalin and the 10 million (he got the number wrong but no big deal) killed by Hitler, what do you think people will do. Are they more likely to go out and vote or call their congressman, or take part in activism to make sure this doesn’t happen, or are they going to buy guns? Not all his viewers think that way, but I can see a few. And he knows his words will incite violence or else he wouldn’t have had to go on air and say, “no violence.” It’s just dangerous speech is all. And that is a truth.

writer said:
You’d have to ask the one that said it’s the left’s fault, perm. I didn’t. All I said is that the left wing media plays up white on black crime, but downplays black on white crime. Just look up the crime stats from the FBI or DOJ and see which race is victimizing the other more often.

Lie it or not, that is the truth.

We all know that Keith Olbermann is obsessed with rival hosts on other networks. Whenever possible, he covers them instead of the news. But watching him score points on Rick Sanchez is like watching Zydrunas Ilgauskas do post-up moves on a folding chair.

Keith, people judge your intellect by how you match it up against formidable opponents and key issues. You avoid both, night after night, month after month, year after year….So we draw the inevitable conclusion that you engage in these cheap shots because you are incapable of doing anything else.

@Writer, ” Yes, perm. We see the difference. If there’s a white perpetrator and a black victim, it’s a ‘hate crime’ and it’s all about race. If the perp is black and the victim is white, the words ‘hate crime’ are never mentioned.”

No one bothers to define “hate crime” when the perp is white and the victim is black. They don’t BS around looking for excuses, they automatically consider it a hate crime.

Permatiltx said:
Here, I should clarify. Glenn Beck does not deliberately incite violence. I don’t think he tells people to grab your guns and start a-shootin’ ol’ lefty. No, he doesn’t. He does use dangerous words that people who can’t tell the difference between reality and metaphor will take up arms against. Happened with that Byron Williams guy. When he talks that a “great evil” is coming, and that Progressives will lead to the Chinese killing 70 million people, 40 million killed by Stalin and the 10 million (he got the number wrong but no big deal) killed by Hitler, what do you think people will do. Are they more likely to go out and vote or call their congressman, or take part in activism to make sure this doesn’t happen, or are they going to buy guns? Not all his viewers think that way, but I can see a few. And he knows his words will incite violence or else he wouldn’t have had to go on air and say, “no violence.” It’s just dangerous speech is all. And that is a truth.

So when he repeatedly tells people to protest peacfully and avoid violence at all costs, that stands for nothing? Somebody will ignore that direct message and instead read between the lines? Guess what, when it comes to people who cannot distinguish between reality and metaphor the message and the source really has no bearing — they will act out with any provocation. He preaches non-violence because he says that is when people will stop listening to the message and focus on the actions.

The irony in your comments is that above you declared definitively that this shooter was clearly not influenced by Olberman, or Obama, yet you do know with certainty that Beck’s words will lead to violence. Problem is there is no proof on either side to support that stance.

IF I WERE A LIBERAL…..

I might watch Rachel, or Anderson, or Rick. I might even watch Ed when I needed a mental boost or choke down an occasional segment with Chris. (I do all of these occasionally.)
BUT I WOULD NEVER BE SICK ENOUGH TO WATCH KEITH OLBERMANN!

Keith is like the pig who enjoys being attacked because he enjoys slopping around the muddy pigpen. He probably enjoys negative feedback because he thinks it makes him ‘relevant.

If you’re reading this, ASK YOURSELF THIS QUESTION::
Can you name ANY person on regular television who takes him/her self more seriously than Keith takes himself???? Anyone other than Keith who is incapable of laughing at himself???? I’d really like to know. Taking oneself too seriously is indeed a sign of mental illness, and Keith is alone as the champion of glibness.

PS: I’ll let you in on a SECRET. The real reason Keith hates Sarah Palin so much has nothing to do with politics. He hates her because she is a better sports commentator than he is.

Liberals & conservatives alike, please respond with anyone you think personally sicker than Keith.

It’s just dangerous speech is all. And that is a truth.

No, that’s your OPINION.

Olbermann likes someone who gets drunk and runs over/maims/kills someone… shocking.

Permatiltx said:
Sorry, I couldn’t remember where we were talking yesterday. Could you post the link to that thread you had with Tommy C? Wanted to get back to look it over, just didn’t want to do the extensive legwork. :)

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/exclusive-helen-thomas-tells-mediaite-how-she-feels-about-fox-news-front-row-seat/#comments

@Permatiltx, “you do the people who died as well as the family members a great disservice to go out and call this a hate crime without knowing the sad, twisted back story.”

Not going for it. No one ever looks for any “twisted back story” or any other excuse for white on black crime, it is automatically considered a hate crime. Why is there always an excuse when the victim is black?

The “disservice” to the family members is done by the MSM when they ignore and downplay a story like this because the victims are white and they don’t want to alienate racists like Sharpton by condemning this black murderer and calling it what it is a “hate crime”.

MartiniShark said:
So when he repeatedly tells people to protest peacfully and avoid violence at all costs, that stands for nothing? Somebody will ignore that direct message and instead read between the lines? Guess what, when it comes to people who cannot distinguish between reality and metaphor the message and the source really has no bearing — they will act out with any provocation. He preaches non-violence because he says that is when people will stop listening to the message and focus on the actions. The irony in your comments is that above you declared definitively that this shooter was clearly not influenced by Olberman, or Obama, yet you do know with certainty that Beck’s words will lead to violence. Problem is there is no proof on either side to support that stance.

Once again you took the words out of my mouth MS. ‘Great Minds’ and all…..

I would add one thing….. Idiots like Chris Matthews are the only ones who still refer to Obama as ‘the black Prez’ and casually toss around the ‘A’ word.

I keep hearing Beck this and Rush that …. what would happen if they even uttered the word ASSASSINATION?

Even if it was just in reference to a video game they would be vilified so… why does thrill-boy get a pass?

One thing that never fails.

A post on Keith gets TONS of comments.

More proof than ever that his show still resonates.

Not to defend PERM here…..;op

There’s a lot of ‘always’ and ‘nevers’ being tossed around willy nilly and I suggest a pause to reflect on the fact that TRUE ABSOLUTES ARE VERY VERY RARE.

Accuracy matters unless you just want to be a clown…and BE clowned… like some prolific posters on this MB seem to enjoy.

Perm makes a some good points every once in a while and I don’t think anyone was LITERALLY blaming KO or Obowma for the shooting but your objection is noted and sustained. I hope you also got the parallel that Beck etc. are blamed for FICTIONAL POSSIBLE FUTURE VIOLENCE while REAL SHIT LIKE THIS IS JUST IGNORED with nary a question about the motives.

Also …for the record…. I don’t think anyone can say definitively what this guy had in his heart. Mayhbe he was taking the advice of King Shabazz…. ‘killin’ some crakkkas’…. and his work place was simply a good place to start.

Nobody, including his family, can know for sure and he ain’t talkin’.

shootfromthehip said:
One thing that never fails. A post on Keith gets TONS of comments. More proof than ever that his show still resonates.

So does BOZO.

Keith’s show is usually just clips from Beck and O’Reilly’s shows. Then Keith brings out Markos Moulitsos and the two of them agree with each other.

libra blue said:
@Permatiltx, “you do the people who died as well as the family members a great disservice to go out and call this a hate crime without knowing the sad, twisted back story.”

Not going for it. No one ever looks for any “twisted back story” or any other excuse for white on black crime, it is automatically considered a hate crime. Why is there always an excuse when the victim is black?

The “disservice” to the family members is done by the MSM when they ignore and downplay a story like this because the victims are white and they don’t want to alienate racists like Sharpton by condemning this black murderer and calling it what it is a “hate crime”.

Well, I am in New York and here they aren’t downplaying the story. Perhaps in the larger media I can see that. It’s a local story, after all.

Now, I’m not saying that others don’t do it. I like to know the entire story about a killing no matter what. I’ll no it is very rarely black and white and there is something more. I think that comes more from the fact that I do perform comedy and I do like to write, and I like to learn character motivation. It’s not because I’m a better person or anything. And I don’t judge right off the bat. I like asking Why? I guess my point was more of the politicizing of this act when there wasn’t anything political involved. Again, with the word “hate crime” implies there isn’t much more to it than “that person’s different.” There’s a lot more to the story than just that. And I mean to say to put it into simplistic terms (black on white crime) is a disservice. It is a disservice to all people involved. I mean, the Sean Bell murder in New York had a much darker story than “white cops killed black guys.” There are elements relating to fear, confusion, the one cop who reloaded needs to be investigated, what were they doing out that late. There’s a deeper story, deeper context. If someone beats up someone else solely because of skin color or sexual preference or religious understanding, then yes, hate crime. But without getting into the why, we can’t figure out how to avoid these again into the future. This is a deep, disturbing story. It does not need to be politicized (When I read the story today about the 911 call in the Daily News, I couldn’t help but think that, yes, there were going to be people on this and other sites calling it hypocritical thing to not call out black racism, and it did sadden me, since it’s not the full story). And that’s what I’m trying to say.

Most the time people will tend to call Sharpton and the NCAAP racist as a way to forget the history of the country, the oppression, the bigotry, and the cruel tactics that were put on an entire race of people. It’s easy to say “RACIST!” than to say “WHY?” It’s the “hate produced by hate.” And nobody really wants to open up that scab. I mean, even look at this story, this guy believed he was being persecuted by his white co-workers and the graffiti on the wall of the noose surrounding his name (it says he took a picture of it and used it to bring complaints of racism to higher ups.) suggest a man who was defending himself. Now, that’s not a right thing to do. It could’ve been delusional. But it wasn’t someone saying, “You all are inferior and different from me, so I’m gonna kill you.” Again, there’s a deeper story. And to just say “hate crime” or “black racism” means you may not want to know more. The left could easily play this up as a victim lashing it out. It’s not that hard a stretch. But I don’t think they will, and I don’t think they should. Again, it’s a horrible crime and no one deserved to die.

FearMonger said:

I assume the whoops moment was when Tommy said, Just give me one person who called someone who disagreed with Obama a racist. Yes, I even winced at that. It’s a bit of a credibility issue and definitely a whole lot, I don’t think you’re listening to the entire discussion. (That last sentence referred to Tommy and not you, which I’m sure you know but others might’ve thought differently.)

FearMonger said:
Perm makes a some good points every once in a while and I don’t think anyone was LITERALLY blaming KO or Obowma for the shooting but your objection is noted and sustained. I hope you also got the parallel that Beck etc. are blamed for FICTIONAL POSSIBLE FUTURE VIOLENCE while REAL SHIT LIKE THIS IS JUST IGNORED with nary a question about the motives.

And yes, I think I see the parallel there. And I may be too harsh saying that Beck promotes violence. I don’t believe in restricting freedom of speech. Beck can keep on saying it. And definitely somebody is going to take it the wrong way, and commit an act of violence. Is it Beck’s fault? Well, no more so than it’s Grand Theft Auto’s fault that someone went on a “Kill all the Haitians” killing spree. In other words, Beck doesn’t deserve to get kicked off the air. He can say it, and I can keep on saying I disagree. It’s the great thing about it. I think the hairs on the back of my neck pricked up because there was a politicizing of this. And that’s really what I was debating. Oh, and if anyone thinks that I think Beck should be off the air, that’s not true.

writer said:
Keith’s show is usually just clips from Beck and O’Reilly’s shows. Then Keith brings out Markos Moulitsos and the two of them agree with each other.

Good point. LOL…every time I watch Olberman it looks like he’s about to cry, or start tremble.

Take at look at these democratic-advocacy ‘reporters’ of the so-called “mainstream media” trying to Play the Race Card with a group of Black Tea-Party reps.

http://www.breitbart.tv/reporters-take-on-black-conservatives-at-press-conference/

The Tea people put them to shame as they were flustered their Race-Card LIES were debunked, one after the other!

These are supposed ‘reporters’, yet listen to them Foam-at-the-Mouth when they can’t get their LYING RACIST SMEAR to stick!

Everyone – EXPOSE these examples of Left-Wing Bias in the “mainstream media” to all your family & friends, e-mail everyone you know NOT to BELIEVE the “mainstream media”!!!!!!
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GOP Candidates: BOYCOTT the “mainstream media”. YOU DON’T NEED THESE OBAMA-LOVING PROPAGANDISTS!! – The uninformed audiences they have won’t vote for you

@Permatiltx, “I like to know the entire story about a killing no matter what. I’ll no it is very rarely black and white and there is something more.”

I understand what you are saying, but I am saying that the MSM doesn’t look for “something more” when it comes to white on black crime. It is always considered a hate crime. I can’t think of one instance when an alternative motiviation has been considered.

Why are you so quick to believe what Thornton’s family says? Maybe it is just an excuse for the murders he committed. We don’t have any proof either way. Maybe the white supremacists are mentally disturbed so should we give them a pass as well?

I understand the history of race in this country, but it doesn’t excuse the racism practiced by people like Sharpton and the NAACP who are still living in the 19th and 20th centuries. Have you forgotten Crown Heights and Tawana Brawley to name two? These people need to recognize that this is the 21st century and they can’t keep using racism as an excuse forever.

“The left could easily play this up as a victim lashing it out. It’s not that hard a stretch. But I don’t think they will, and I don’t think they should. Again, it’s a horrible crime and no one deserved to die.”

The left is already painting Thornton as a victim. Anderson was quick to point out that this guy thought he was being racially harrassed. In the days to come Anderson and the rest of the left wingers will try to victimize this guy anyway they can ignoring the innocent victims he murdered. I can’t wait to see the sob story they will tell about his life instead of admitting that he was a cold blooded murderer.

libra blue said:
The left is already painting Thornton as a victim. Anderson was quick to point out that this guy thought he was being racially harrassed.

Even though there is no proof of it, besides his girl friend. No complaints to the Union, no complaints to the company. His boss was even half-black. Gimmie a break. The dude got caught red handed stealing, and he was freaking embarrassed so he decided to cap 8 white dudes.

Permatiltx said:
And yes, I think I see the parallel there. And I may be too harsh saying that Beck promotes violence. I don’t believe in restricting freedom of speech. Beck can keep on saying it. And definitely somebody is going to take it the wrong way, and commit an act of violence. Is it Beck’s fault? Well, no more so than it’s Grand Theft Auto’s fault that someone went on a “Kill all the Haitians” killing spree. In other words, Beck doesn’t deserve to get kicked off the air. He can say it, and I can keep on saying I disagree. It’s the great thing about it. I think the hairs on the back of my neck pricked up because there was a politicizing of this. And that’s really what I was debating. Oh, and if anyone thinks that I think Beck should be off the air, that’s not true.

“And I may be too harsh saying that Beck promotes violence. I don’t believe in restricting freedom of speech. Beck can keep on saying it. And definitely somebody is going to take it the wrong way, and commit an act of violence.”
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One could make the argument that you are talking out of both sides of your mouth here…saying Beck doesn’t promote violence while simultaneously accusing him of just that by forecasting that something he said will ‘DEFINITELY’ be ‘taken the wrong way’ and violence will result.

Based on the CONTEXT of the rest of your post I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt, although it is pretty clear that you are indeed convinced of THE FICTIONAL POSSIBLE FUTURE VIOLENCE that may (or may not) be incited by Beck/ politicization/ Obozo….

I added Obeyme to that last paragraph to segway to this….I would assert, all things being equal, that race-baiting from the left is just as likely…. perhaps MORE likely… to ‘incite violence’ as anything that GB has ever said.

“RACIST” is just about as shitty an accusation as a person can hurl, and I know a bunch of good people who are sick and tired of being branded just because they recognize that these liberal policies are terrible for our Country.

I’d say it’s much more likely that one of THEM finally loses their ever-lovin’ mind and goes postal. Hell, if I hear it one more time I myself might be tempted to ….umm…. [FM calls for 'serenity now]

Let”s put it in the CONTEXT of Wayne Brady on The Chappelle Show… IS FearMonger GONNA HAVE TO CHOKE-A-BITCH??

*LOL* Olbermann is the most insecure man in the propaganda media racket.

I am shocked that anyone watches Olbermann; apparently he was even watching something else.

writer said:
You’d have to ask the one that said it’s the left’s fault, perm. I didn’t. All I said is that the left wing media plays up white on black crime, but downplays black on white crime. Just look up the crime stats from the FBI or DOJ and see which race is victimizing the other more often.

Change “more often” to “almost exclusively” for greater accuracy. Doesn’t matter. White people will still watch Law and Order every night and go on believing that most violent sex crimes in NYC are committed by wealthy WASP’s with high office relations in the politics of NY that corrupt the justice system at the expense of the poor and minority classes.

You don’t have to take that from Countdown boy , Ricky …. Time to throwdown .

I was very surprised that Rick Sanchez started his show again last night by discussing the latest in the Connecticut workplace shooting when he had such an excellent interview on the same show with lame duck Rep. Bob Inglis (R-SC) about why so many Republicans in Congress fear the fringe talk radio wing of their Party (specifically Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck).

I think that the Connecticut workplace shooting is good to cover but not to open with the second night in a row and when Rick probably could have got more viewers if he opened the show mentioning his interview with Rep. Bob Inglis. It is very rare to see a truly conservative Republican in Congress (with a 93% conservative voting record) explaining why he was primaried out of his party by the fringe tea party kooks who are lead by ideologues such as Sarah Palin, Michele Bachmann, Glenn Beck, and (the big boss) Rush Limbaugh!

However I really do like Rick Sanchez and I will continue to watch him!

Mitch Dworkin
Dallas, Texas