Great! 120,000 new jobs and 315,000 people stopped looking for work all together. If we can get another 5 million people to stop looking for work we can get unemployment down to 0%.

With an excellent foreign policy record and now an improving economy (the best unemployment rates in years and the Dow recently making huge gains), I would not like to be the Republican facing Obama in the general election.

But more importantly, I would not like to be a Republican in general. 

:see what I did there: wordplay

One thing to be partisan, it’s another thing to actually sound like a DNC press statement daily.   Ridiculous.

The republiklan party’s greatest fear–the economy might be improving despite their best efforts.

it’s called Christmas hiring.

Do you want to argue the points made or just name call?

Three years ago we were losing 500,000 jobs a month, even with Christmas hiring.

I’d say we’re a lot better off now than we were before Obama took office. 

Obama’s foreign policy record is absolutely horrible and any right-thinking person should be repulsed by what has gone on these last three years.

Thank you for outlining the Republican plan to save America. 

“The conventional wisdom has been that if unemployment falls below 8%, President Obama wins in a cakewalk. In addition to the cakewalk, he’ll also win reelection.”

Great! Then Barry should just play golf and wait. Quit spending millions traveling to take in millions that he doesn’t need.

Here’s a good description of why its a mixed picture from yahoo finance.   http://finance.yahoo.com/blogs/daniel-gross/november-jobs-report-curb-enthusiasm-142920148.html

The bottom line is the details once again show the US economy is ‘moving in the right direction’, but payroll numbers are disappointing.   Everything so far points to a slow recovery.  They call it a ‘conservative recovery’, but I think a ‘glacier moving’ recovery sets better expectations.  

The Middle East is a nightmare and Israel is in trouble thanks in large part to the Big Wind From Chicago.

Anybody want to take a nice vacation and see the Pyramids?

Thanks for highlighting those points so well Tommy. Great synthesis. I might add that the President is not only bound for a win on the Payroll Tax cut, but will benefit from Republican flip-flop in the process. He has real momentum independent of the jobs numbers.

Amen!

Obama treats Israel like the spoilt child of a doting parent just the same as Bush. It’s the ongoing slaughter of civillians all over the middle east & beyond that I’m talking about

No, that’s the Obama reelection plan.

Would you like to explain that to Obama?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2011/10/03/obama_american_people_not_better_off_than_they_were_four_years_ago.html

About the picture. Dogs never do well at poker. They can’t bluff. When they get a good hand, the tail starts wagging.

Say, Gloves. Remember when you stood in line to play Tic Tac Toe against a chicken?

It was at the Tropicana in Las Vegas. If you beat the chicken, you win $5,000. But nobody could do it. The chicken always went first, plus she played all the time.

There you have it folks.
12:45 ET 12/02/2011
GD predicts a Barack Obama WIN in 2012!!!!

315,000 MORE people stopped looking for work, and were eliminated from the count – End of “bump”!      

The Networks will try to hide this fact, but FOX already has it all over FBN and the Mother Ship!
      

The only question on 2012 still remains how much of the Democratic Party goes DOWN with the Prez!

Whoopeee, now that everything is great again, i am going to buy that beach house I always wanted(but couldn’t afford)! Wait what was that you said about Europe, did you say meltdown? Huh, so one month moving in the right direction after every other month of Obama’s disastrous presidency makes everything great again Tommy?

But Mainly what in the world makes you think the American Jobs Act would have done that the 3 times as large stimulus didn’t? Seriously, i am not being snarky here. how was the AJA going to do what the stimulus didn’t and it was no where near the size of it./

IS THIS THING ON??

~knock
~knock

IS THIS THING ON??

HOLY CRAP!

When your boss told you to put this in as many threads as possible, I think he meant to put it in your own words, not just cut and paste.

And if you believe we are a lot better off since Obama took office, you are either (A) in denial or (B) an idiot.

epic fail

Pablo’s Mormon faith doesn’t allow for rational thought. (Magic underpants!) If the Republicans weren’t so hell bent on shedding government jobs the number would have gone even lower.  

Oh, but it’s OK to invade and occupy a country based on a suspicion which ultimately cost the american taxpayers over 2 billion dollars a week, and cost over 4,000 American soldiers lives and severely wounding over 40,000 American soldiers.  

No thanks…  I’ll stick with the guy who ordered Bin Laden to be captured and killed.  

so you honestly think we were going to lose jobs until we got to 0 people employed? bahahaha

Lol!

What, you don’t think Israel can handle an attack with their 250+ nuclear weapons?

Just a reminder. Republicans will never get the Jewish vote as a whole. You might win a district here and there, but other than that, your empty support of Israel is a waste of time.

“ongoing slaughter of civillians all over the middle east & beyond that I’m talking about”

So, how is Obama responsible for the “ongoing slaughter of civilians all over the Middle East”

LOL

Tommy is trying to become the “official” DNC press agent.

Where did I even imply that the Iraq invasion was good foreign policy?

You didn’t have to. The fact that you’re blaming the Middle East turmoil on Obama is all I need to know.

Obama Derangement Syndrome.  We get it. 

It is hilarious to read your musings as you do your best to prop up this epic failure know as Barack H. Obama….some might call it a slobbering love affair.  Please get your head out of Obama’s ass long enough to understand that he, regardless of how many accolades you shower upon him, is not going to be reelected. 

It’s  (B).

Critique is more convincing than attack.  

What on earth are you blabbering about? I didn’t blame Obama for the “middle east turmoil”. I never even used that phrase. I said I was horrified by the ongoing slaughter of civillians in Afghanistan, Pakistan, Syria etc etc etc. How could concern for the death of inncent human beings possibly be interpreted as ‘Obama Derangement Syndrome’?  There’s a syndrome at work here but it ain’t me that’s suffering from it.

Well, the icon certainly fits…but the SUBSTANCE of your rebuttal eludes me!
lol!

And let’s not leave out the real strength of any Democrat in 2011 America – Spending Other People’s Tax Dollars – to pay off their contributors, and buy votes!

End the Democratic party’s Culture of Corruption!

Vote for the New & Improved GOP!

What on earth am I blabbing about?

Oh, I don’t know, maybe your comment above where you said Obama’s foreign policy record is horrible, which we both know is a complete and utter lie as even conservative talking heads bring up the issue that Obama’s foreign policy has been one of his strengths. 

If you’re not going to be honest, and if you’re going to lie because you don’t agree with reality like most conservatives do when they’re backed into a corner, feel free not to address anything I post in the future.

You Obama lovers slay me.  Kinda reminds me of the Jonestown Massacre when the Rev. Jim Jones told his followers to have some Kool-Aid and everything would be just great. 

Thanks for tossing those shiny calcium carbonate baubles my way kind fellow.  Swine like I hardly see such beauty!

I’m very far from being a conservative. A lot further than you if this little exchange is anything to go by. The fact the neocons are praising his foreign policy should be alarm bells enough but instead you’re using it some sort of twisted vindication of Der Leader. Can you point out to me where I lied please?

Sorry, I’m not a Mormon. What else would you like to be wrong about today?

Chris you’re such a sophomore at economics 101. The contraction of the total jobs market makes the appearance of a lowered unemployment number.
But, does anybody here REALLY believe the administration’s “revised” numbers??? LOL

Well done tommy christopher. Add to that, this morning a bunch of republicans reared their heads vowing to block the IMF from lending the Italians and Spaniards the money to avert Europe credit crunch and a repeat of 2008 at a much bigger scale the prospect of which has been weighing on the global wall-street heavily in the past few weeks.

The coordinated 5 central banks initiative Wednesday came as a heart attack to America-hating tea partiers as that sparked a dow jones 500 points rally in one day

Uh, what do you suppose they’ll nuke? They’re not very good defensive weapons, and you ideally want to use them as far away from your soil as possible.

try finding a job also what quality of jobs are they hiring for this past year hmmmm McDs? 

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/04/04/mcdonalds-to-fill-50000-jobs_n_844356.html

Because the Middle East was so stable in the 200 years leading up to the Obama presidency.  Not to mention, 81% of Israelis view Obama’s approach there as pro-Israel (better in fact, than Netanyahu’s polling numbers in his own country!)  Surely you’ve read the article:

http://www.mediaite.com/online/happy-new-year-president-obama-sees-dramatic-jump-in-poll-of-israeli-citizens/

“According to the BLS employment report, retailers hired seasonal workers at close to the pre-crisis pace in November.”

http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2011/12/seasonal-retail-hiring-duration-of.html

So you were pro-Osama? 

Oh noes! Obviously Republicans must inflict even more pain on American voters who had the temerity to elect a Democrat to run the country.

When they destroy the economy they’ll brook no efforts to undo the damage by the voters, time for more tax cuts and layoffs!
  

Oh and nice use of ‘LOL’ in regard to the deaths of civillians. How very liberal of you.

If you actually believe that Israeli’s prefer Obama to Bibi, you should switch to water

It is the Obama economic policies that are causing the pain, not the Republican objections to more tax and spend keynesian policies. 

The other problem with the employment numbers is that many of the jobs were in retail, which may just be early holiday retail hiring as companies pushed Black Friday and Cyber Monday deals trying to spark a consumer spending rally. I am afraid many of those jobs may disappear come January.

I never said they wanted Obama to be their president, just refuting a poorly-stated and vague connection by GD.  Just pointing to the facts, which are easily digested with or without water. 

“According to the BLS employment report, retailers hired seasonal workers at close to the pre-crisis pace in November.”

http://www.calculatedriskblog.com/2011/12/seasonal-retail-hiring-duration-of.html

http://www.tax.com/taxcom/taxblog.nsf/Permalink/MSUN-8MXFSY?OpenDocument

“The Networks will try to hide this fact, but FOX already has it all over FBN and the Mother Ship!”

Hey genius, Fox is a network too.  Oh, and mother ship?  What are you, an alien? 

Oh, Tommy.  You’re so silly.  I’m not sure that’s what you’re supposed to be in you line of work but it’s something.  

It’s good to see that the liberal denizens of this board are just as slow-witted as their right-wing counterparts

Exactly correct Mr. Pablo. Math is a great equalizer. It is either correct or it is not.  We need to create about 400,000 new jobs every month to truly start cutting the unemployment rate.  120,000 is weak, but you add that to 315,000 now moving to welfare and as far as the idiots are concerned, “It’s Party Time!”.

The reported unemployment rate is a political number.  It stops counting a worker when his unemployment insurance runs out. 

These idiot Democrats who claim to care about the little guy really only care about winning elections and keeping their personal power.  The actual unemployment rate went up and they are celebrating. These are the caring

More citizens on welfare and food stamps means more power for guys like Obama. 

It’s Friday, there must be a party tonight in the White House. 

Bring out the 22 hand maidens.  The country has been saved by Our Great Leader, and the Queen of America needs a “Do” and new eyelashes.

Tommy, you know, sometimes you’re just a jerk.

Show me where I praised his foreign policy.  I did say, and I’m paraphrasing, even his most harshest critics have praised his foreign policies.   

The republican regressives have done Marie Antoinette one better. Their latest mantra is LET THEM EAT HORSE. As you know, the congress has removed a 5 year ban on FDA inspections of horse meat. It opens the path for the opening of slaughterhouses for horses in the US for meat to be exported to Canada and Mexico. It seems that the last foreign owned slaughter house in the US was closed in 2007, and now, whoopi, we have a real opportunity for an american owned slaughterhouse for horses. We exported several hundred thousand horses in 2010. Horses are given meds that are dangerous for human consumption. But, true to form, the repugs are on the side of the profiteer. Last time I checked the canned goods we eat, don’t have country of origin on the labels. It is “distributed by”. So, who knows that next can of chili imported from Mexico may well contain HORSE. Oh, by the way there are some really interesting recipes for horse on the internet. And while at it, check out the ones for DOG. It seems that there are several countries in the world where dog and cat are regular fare. Imagine all the money we could save if we just shipped all those stray cats and dogs to a slaughterhouse where they could be processed for human consumption, elsewhere in the world of course.

Ruh-Roh is right! What’s happening to the Brew-ha-ha the wrong-wing is fueling? Maybe the spewing of the puppeteers like Evangelical leader Richard Land, Grover Norquist, Bob Vander Plaats, Edward H Crane and David Keene is falling on deaf ears. Or, maybe the American people see the damages these puppeteers have cause or created. Responsible representation requires reputable persons who have not violated decency or ethics while not giving in to pledges to puppeteers or other controls. One who will stand up strong to any and all who would corrupt American standards. There should be no patronage to any one sect or person in elections. Thoses who place themselves as leaders of specific groups or false leaders should be called out as special interest people who do not deserve recognition as churches in America. 

That’s Barry and Michelle Antoinette that are pushing eating horse, while they are serving $200 a pound Kobe Beef.

oh oh EX-Man! here’s a little fact that Tommy always seem to omit from his stories …http://weaselzippers.us/2011/12/02/obamas-economy-so-bad-another-315000-americans-have-given-up-looking-for-work/

the truth about Obama’s job numbers always seem to creep out.
http://www.gallup.com/poll/151064/November-Underemployment-Year-Ago.aspx

“No thanks…  I’ll stick with the guy who ordered Bin Laden to be captured and killed.” sounds a lot like praise to me. 

Second Mate,

There was a time when government workers chose to take those jobs based on the fact that they would never be laid-off and they would be given good benefits. They made less money, but they were secure in their positions. The rest of us chose to work in the private sector where we made more money, but ran the risk of being hurt by economic downturn.

That has all changed.  In recent years, while the private sector has been a mine field, government workers have steadily seen increases in salary to go along with great benefits.  Today, on the average, government workers make significantly more money than those in the private sector, except maybe CEOs.

So a few years of wage freezing in government salaries is not much to ask. 

Government agencies have huge amounts of waste and overlapping of responsibility.  Budgeting in government operations is insane.  Everyone knows that a department must spend its entire budget, or the budget will be reduced in the next cycle.  If it is all spent, typically a department will get a 7% increase in budget for the next fiscal year.  If you know someone in government, you know that December is a time when everyone gets a new computer.  They don’t necessarily need the new computer, but in that world it’s better not to gripe.

So, how about exercising a little gray matter activity before you spew your BS.  Except, of course, if you’re a SEIU Government worker, we know you are totally useless and should be given your walking papers.

I knew this was Christopher drivel from the headline.

Hey Tommy, go pay for the woman and her 15 kids in Florida.  She’s one of yours….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_KUW2vCPX7w

I hope the gubmint takes those kids away.

What a good little Foxtard you are!

You’ve gone and cut and pasted your “facts” exactly like Roger Ailes and his stooges told you to. Unfortunately for you, this isn’t Fox Nation and not everyone here is an easily manipulated sheep like you.

So I suggest that if you actually want someone to listen to you, there are a whole host of right wing nutball sites where your easily digestible factoids will not only be welcome, but believed by an army of tin foil hatters who hate Obama, love truthiness and willingly bend over for the one percent.

315,000 came from a Moody anaylst.  I’m not sure how they would know other than with a finger  in the wind saying that feels like 315,000. There is always a certain number that leave the work force each month due to retirement, death, sickness, plain tired of looking, etc.and how it impacts the total is no more than educated guess. If your really interested in the breakdown go to

 http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf

If you don’t like what Tommy is publishing then why not got to Townhall.com and do the old conservative group hug?

I didn’t get past the line from Tommy “the lowest level since March of 2009, is sure to be greeted by a predictable mix of celebration and derisive parsing, but behind the scenes, Republicans have got to be producing trouser bricks. ”

I’m done reading his stories, I keep forgetting to check the byline before clicking.  My bad, won’t happen again…

you’re loving the 8%+ unemployment? Good for you, someone should. 

Actually, there’s no chance of unemployment being below 7% and apparently no president has won re-election above that number.  The ‘glass half full’ view is that if Obama does win re-election, it’ll be unprecedented.

So, there’s that. 

400,000 job per month is a number GWB must have had his eye on, because that is just about the burn rate of jobs lost the last 2 years of his Presidency.   

The article is completely wrong. If indeed the economy is improving despite the obstruction of the Republicans it gives the Republican view more credence that government intervention is not necessary as the economy can heal itself, if only left alone. I this not the case?

This is actually exposing the flaws of the economy policies put in place now. If they were indeed the correct ones, the numbers should have been much better, should they not exGOP?

Are you denying that these employment stats are being manipulated to fool the people into believing that the economy is getting better in a significant and meaningful way? If so, you are smart as a stone.

No. (crickets chirping…)

And you would be wrong.

Never discount the possibility of massive systemic failure.

I think he’d like to deny he is an idiot.

There is nothing to fear, but fear itself.

A democrat said that.

Must be some really good acid you’ve been taking. The first paragraph of your post is sheer idiocy, and the rest of it, well, more of the same.

Obama Derangement Syndrome.  You have it.

Let’s remember after January 1, 2012 that the 120,000 will be joining the 315,000 along with all the service personnel getting out of the military coming back from Iraq. This unemployment thing is going to get even uglier. When you add it all up and take away the offshored and eliminated jobs, by election time next year we will probably be looking at 20 percent unemployment in real numbers.

“Trouser bricks” — LOL.  Going to plagiarize that one.

Why do liberals never admit their adversity to numbers.  It was way worse than 400,000 and all caused by idiots like Chris and Barney with the support of the minor player, currently the head of OWH (Occupy White House).

The longest serving Democrat in the White House said that.

Look what a mess he created, too.

Instead of being so quick with your meaningless wit why don’t you read what I said.

agreed, Obama will have a difficult time getting reelected only because he keeps adopting Republican ideas of economic policy. cut spending here and there, cut taxes on the rich not on the middle class, get rid of social programs like medicare medicaid. what happens if it’s all implemented? middle class shrinks, the politicians get more money, rich hold on to their money because of economic uncertainty. when will people learn that not taxing the rich will create jobs!?!?! if it was true then bush tax cuts would’ve created enough jobs where we wouldn’t be in this mess in the first place and we would  be creating more jobs than our government spends and the bailout money would’ve trickled down to the middle class, but what’s really happening? NOTHING! wake up people…

The Dow recently making gains?

You can thank Barney Frank  (House Financial Services Committee)  for that – he announced he would retire from Congress at the conclusion of his term!

“These two entities, Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac, are not facing any kind of financial crisis” he said before they headed over the cliff, taking the economy with them.

315,000 people stopped looking for a job in November, yeah that is economic improvement we can all be proud of. (There were only 120,000 jobs added for the month, and 72,000 from the adjustments from the previous two months). Wake me up when the economy actually does something to get excited about, like a .4% decrease in unemployment from new jobs in stead of 3 people giving up hope for change for each one that found a job.
(Sorry my computer developed a stutter all of the sudden.)

315,000 people stopped looking for a job in November, yeah that is economic improvement we can all be proud of. (There were only 120,000 jobs added for the month, and 72,000 from the adjustments from the previous two months). Wake me up when the economy actually does something to get excited about, like a .4% decrease in unemployment from new jobs in stead of 3 people giving up hope for change for each one that found a job.

The 8.6% unemployment rate is not the correct number on which to focus, nor is it the 140,000 private sector jobs created.  The most important number is the 315,000 discouraged workers who left the labor force. Anybody who is paying attention is going to see the empty retail stores in the strip malls and the stories of people he knows who are not working, and is not going to be impressed by some numbers coming out of DC.
People who are into Bureau of Labor Statistics (BLS) numbers are going to look a little deeper and find the web page listed below.  It shows that the percentage of people age 16 and above who are participating in the labor force has declined from 65.7% at the start of President Obama’s term (01/01/09) to 64.0% at the end of November 2011, up just a bit from its lowest point of 63.9% this past July.
http://data.bls.gov/timeseries/LNS11300000

Here is another BLS data point about which President Obama may wish to worry:
“From April to July 2011, the number of employed youth 16 to 24 years old rose by 1.7
million to 18.6 million, the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics reported today. This year,the share of young people who were employed in July was 48.8 percent, the lowest Julyrate on record for the series, which began in 1948.”http://bls.gov/news.release/youth.nr0.htm

This tiny “improvement” is probably an odd or explainable blip. especially if Biden had anything to do with it. Nawww, he would have turned it into something really big!…..LMAO

The republican strategy for the economy  is not do nothing. It’s tax cuts for the rich and deregulation solves everything. They swept in the house with a majority because of their promise of jobs. Remember ?

Clearly austerity during a recession is hurting the economies of all who are trying it. How do you explain that ?

You believed them when things were getting worse, why not believe them when they say things are getting better?

Unprecidented prosperity for the middle class. That sucked.

So  its’ truth doesn’t matter ?

“Republicans defeated a payroll tax cut extension that won a 51-49 majority, but fell short of the 60 votes needed to overcome a filibuster.”

How can the Tgags and Tgag wannbes hope to sell the idea that the continued decline is the fault of the President?  They openly acknowledge their will and actions to drive down the economy in hopes of a victory in the Presidential election.

Your assumption that the American voter’s in the 1% can overcome the damage you have done to the  99% is foolish.  If the payroll tax cut expires the blame will fall squarely on the Republicans.

Keep up the good work!  You are assuring the reelection of President Obama!

Lets see paco since 2001 52,000 factories and 2.9 million jobs lost.China and Mexico hired 2.4 million to work in those factories at .20 to .30 cents per hour and no pollution regulation.Do you honestly think any right wing or blue dog dem gives a rats ass about an american having a living wage job?Once this country agrees to bercome a third world country with no minimum wage or EPA then and only then will they offer these low paying jobs back to the american people.

FDR’s social welfare programs had very little to do with that. The historic record proves out the only thing that caused the prosperity you speak of was gearing up for WWII and winning it. Social programs never caused prosperity for anyone. Ever.

So in other words, Republicans will cheer if Americans become unemployed…
and they want the american people´s vote ?

Tell that to the descendants of the men and women who worked in programs like the CCC.

You mean the CCC and WPA programs that were little more than slave labor camps for public works projects? You really should read up on things before shooting your mouth off.

If it isn’t a lie from you it is ignorance and nonsense.

Strtlk is a Media Matters spammer and troll. He lied about his Military Service and I proved it using his own posts. He go’s by many names and is a complete fool. He also has a psychotic fixation on Glenn Beck and little children. He’s a vulgar little man filled with hate and racial bigotry.

Flag the moron and get rid of him.

“TMP”

Oh yes…flag me!!!
I must be the one who threatens to kill others with attack dogs, assault rifles and pistols.
I must also be the one who you try to attack with disgusting and twisted lies about children.
I must also be the one who used his own grandchildren to try and escalate your perverted lies.
P.S. Your bullsh** attacks on my past are pathetic. I proved you wrong, but you continue to lie. I hope your the parents of your grandchildren take them away from you forever. No one should be used by a sick f*** like you.

Oh yes…flag me!!!

Consider it done.

You’re a vulgar liar and a hatemonger who lies about his Military Service. You’re a tick on the A$$ of humanity and a little puke of a man who has a sick fixation on Glenn Beck and little children.

I’d sick the dogs on you if you came peeping around my house to look at my grandchildren.

You’re an idiotic pervert and a liar and you’ve been outed.

“TMP”

Done.

“TMP”

Done.

“TMP”

“400,000 job per month is a number GWB must have had his eye on, because that is just about the burn rate of jobs lost the last 2 years of his Presidency.”

Sorry I reviewed this comment and can only conclude that you, like so many brain dead liberals are implying that GWB intended to wreck our economy.

I just wondered if you had a comment about the OWH movement delaying its investigation of Wall Street banks until after the 2012 elections in order to cover up for Fannie and Freddie