Don’t need Christie, we have Sarah Palin who’ll beat Obama in 2012. Easily.

Oh, TangledThorns. Not sure if I want you to be parody or not, but HA.

Did she forget about Tim Pawlenty? I mean, you guys are going to lose regardless, but why isn’t she even considering him?

The reason he’s polling so low is because people don’t know who he is yet, which is actually a pretty big plus.

TangledThorns said:
Don’t need Christie, we have Sarah Palin who’ll beat Obama in 2012. Easily.

Good luck on that one! Can’t wait! Oh, the slaughter of the English language that will occur!

Laurie Beth said:
The reason he’s polling so low is because people don’t know who he is yet, which is actually a pretty big plus.

Yeah, it worked out well for El Presidente, that is for sure. Will Ann makes here living by pushing to the extremes, not that she shouldn’t, after all Olbermann and Shultz come to mind, I have to go with her on the second half of her point. If Romney is the nominee, it’s El Presidente for the score.

Obama has it in the bag. There are no decent Republicans. I thought Romney had the best chance.
But he is a bit too plastic; and too Mormon, and too Socialist, at least according to some right leaning good ole’ rill American Christians.

Jesus was a Socialist.

libbyliberal said:
Good luck on that one! Can’t wait! Oh, the slaughter of the English language that will occur!

So, when has proper English been a determination of qualifications in the last four presidential winners. I mean, both President W and President for life, the one we have been waiting for, Obama have mangled it to bits. You have heard “O” off the prompter, yes? That is painful.

Now does Palin have a chance, hard to say, but it won’t be English that drop kicks her hopes to the curb.

Palin is really pretty, though.

(Fire in the hole!)

It may have not matter enough in NJ but Christie knows his shady past wont fly for POTUS, he will never run.

libbyliberal said:
Obama has it in the bag. There are no decent Republicans. I thought Romney had the best chance.
But he is a bit too plastic; and too Mormon, and too Socialist, at least according to some right leaning good ole’ rill American Christians.

Jesus was a Socialist.

Nah, Jesus was not socialist. First, he talked about the individual, not central control for elites. Duh.

Second, I doubt Jesus would be for killing our own offspring as the Left likes to do.

I’m not a big Romney fan as he seems too liberal and not very committed to Conservatism.

libbyliberal said:
Jesus was a Socialist.

Jesus was a theocrat.

Alz said:
Nah, Jesus was not socialist. First, he talked about the individual, not central control for elites. Duh. Second, I doubt Jesus would be for killing our own offspring as the Left likes to do.

What offspring has the left killed? Be specific!

Alz said:
Nah, Jesus was not socialist. First, he talked about the individual, not central control for elites. Duh.

Second, I doubt Jesus would be for killing our own offspring as the Left likes to do.

They think because Jesus fed the crowd with loaves and fishes that He must have been a socialist. And that if they try hard enough, one day they’ll be able to perform miracles too.

“This time it will work, I just know it!”

I would love Christie to run. I am pretty impressed with Mitch Daniels’ speech, and can’t wait to hear more from him if/when he decides to run.

Ann’s entire speech is here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4tnRO_TND80

Alz said:
I’m not a big Romney fan as he seems too liberal and not very committed to Conservatism.

If McCain could beat him in 2008, I think they need someone new in 2012.

TangledThorns said:
Don’t need Christie, we have Sarah Palin who’ll beat Obama in 2012. Easily.

God I hope she has really really big hands then. She’ll have lots of writing to do to keep it all together.

Ann, the Egyptians were protesting to change the corrupt, brutal regime, the teabaggers were protesting to preserve the status quo. with the support of billionaire oil men, cable news networks and the former speaker of the house. not exactly the persecuted under class.

writer said:
Palin is really pretty, though.

(Fire in the hole!)

Dude.

jim bronson 990cc said:
What offspring has the left killed? Be specific!

That’s the trick, Jimmy. They don’t have names.

Pablo said:
That’s the trick, Jimmy. They don’t have names.

So you cannot be specific. You just throw crap at the wall and hope it sticks. Got it!

jim bronson 990cc said:
So you cannot be specific. You just throw crap at the wall and hope it sticks. Got it!

These folks would like to have a word with you, racist.

I can recall the classic pool matches between hanoi steve and Minnesota Fats.

writer said:
I can recall the classic pool matches between hanoi steve and Minnesota Fats.

i don’t play pool, i play snooker.

Pablo said:
These folks would like to have a word with you, racist.

And this has what to do with the claim? More crap slapped at the wall.

How are things in Hanoi? I bet the weather’s nice.

writer said:
How are things in Hanoi? I bet the weather’s nice.

raining and cold

Bummer.

Coulter’s right, Romney doesn’t have a chance of beating Obama.

Personally, I’d like to see an Allen West/Paul Ryan ticket, at this stage of the game. With two years as a Congressman, he’ll have as much national legislative experience as Obama did and he has far more leadership experience and far more CHARACTER than Obama will EVER have.

I don’t know who the best bet for Conservatism will be. But if Conservatives don’t get off their collective a$$es, ZERO will easily make a return engagement. There needs to be a candidate and a campaign soon.

jim bronson 990cc said:
And this has what to do with the claim? More crap slapped at the wall.

::fingers in ears::

LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA! I CAN’T HEAR YOOOOOOOU!

Outstanding stuff, jimmy. Now back on your head.

She is probably correct.

“Later an audience member asked Coulter who her least favorite Democrat was, and she responded “it’s like asking my least favorite disease.”

Now that was 100% correct.

Davo said:
I don’t know who the best bet for Conservatism will be. But if Conservatives don’t get off their collective a$$es, ZERO will easily make a return engagement. There needs to be a candidate and a campaign soon.

Two more years of Obama may well take care of that all by itself. Think $5 gas with 10% unemployment and his signature achievement overturned. I don’t even want to speculate about the nightmares abroad. A bean burrito could have beaten Carter in 1980. As Obama is Carter, 2012 will be 1980. His self references aside, Obama is not the Gipper.

Wow she is speaking the truth for once. The reality is unless the Republicans run Chris Christie they have no chance in hell to beat Obama. Even Christie is a long shot, but at least he isn’t a completely uninspiring candidate. Seriously the last thing I want is a Republican President, but unless you guys run Christie or maybe John Huntsman, you guys are totally finished. It will be a landslide embarrassment which will put the Republicans right back where they were the day after the election in 2008. Thats gonna be a great thing.

jim bronson 990cc said:
So you cannot be specific. You just throw crap at the wall and hope it sticks. Got it!

LOL

That’s right, son- you killed them babies before you named ‘em.

You know why Obama is moving to the right? Duh, he wants to be reelected and the shit is totally working.

Color Me Badd said:
The reality is unless the Republicans run Chris Christie they have no chance in hell to beat Obama.

Are you high, son?

With the worst economy in years,fighting 2 wars, an inept 72 year old fart came within 7 points of defeating a God!

Coulter is hot.

Color Me Badd said:
You know why Obama is moving to the right? Duh, he wants to be reelected and …………..

I’ll just address the part of your post that ISN’T insane.

Hussein hasn’t moved to the right…………..he’s firmly planted in the WRONG. But he does know how gullible Liberal suckers are who feel better calling themselves “moderates,” and is trying to fake and connive his way back into their hearts. Will it work? We’ll have to see if those suckers can tell the difference between a lie on one side, and 10% unemployment, $5.00/gallon gas, and $8.00 package of bacon on the other.

But yeah…………….keep telling the suckers that the “s#*t is working.

Five bucks for gas? Is Carter back in?

I am a supporter of a Palin/West ticket. Any person that doesn’t think Palin (whether for her faults or not) will not lay it into Obama, is mistaken. I would rather lose with Palin (exposing Obama as the government crook he is) than go down with a suit such as Romney.

I’m open to other personalities. I like Herman Cain, Paul Ryan, Palin, Ryan, Ron Johnson, Scott Walker and Chris Christie (not a huge fan, but could vote for him over O) for starters.

writer said:
Five bucks for gas? Is Carter back in?

If it’s only $5, I’d consider that a bargain.

To be fair, Palin is the female version of Christie….but thinner. And because Christie is a male, he can be more bombastic and it’s ok.

Chris Christie? This ain’t the early 1900′s anymore. Americans would never elect a fat man as their president.

SilentSam said:
Chris Christie? This ain’t the early 1900’s anymore. Americans would never elect a fat man as their president.

Fat man beats O……….hands down.

Unless a birth certificate was produced, Christie could claim that he’s only half fat.

WCinWI said:
Fat man beats O……….hands down.

Whatever you’re smoking, give me some. lol

How’s it going to play when the GOP has had the House of Representatives for 2 years, with the power to DE-FUND ANYTHING, and they haven’t done it?

When the prior 2 years of complete outrage at our jump from 500 billion dollar annual deficits up to 1.4 trillion dollar annual deficits, the Republicans talked a big talk. And now they’re largely arguing over cuts of 100 billion or less?! What a crock of shit.

Put this all together with Obama’s pretend move to the right and the growth of libertarianism in the mainstream? If the GOP doesn’t take a significant turn toward libertarianism and REAL budget cuts, we MIGHT AS WELL live with more pain from the Democrats. At least the disaster won’t get blamed on capitalism if it happens on their watch.

A mere 5% of principled Constitutional voters can kill the GOP if they push useless boobs like Romney. In our current plight, the lesser of two evils doesn’t help. I don’t give a rat’s ass if someone has an “R” next to his name, not good enough to vote for is just that: NOT GOOD ENOUGH TO VOTE FOR.

notsofast said:
LOL That’s right, son- you killed them babies before you named ‘em.

What babies dies? That wall is full by now.

I’d be afraid that Christie may favor the fat community. He’d be doing things like having the attorney general look the other way when a fat person commits a crime.

Pablo said:
::fingers in ears:: LA LA LA LA LA LA LA LA! I CAN’T HEAR YOOOOOOOU! Outstanding stuff, jimmy. Now back on your head.

More baseless crap. Get it through your head, conjob, abortion is a legal procedure.

notsofast said:
Are you high, son? With the worst economy in years,fighting 2 wars, an inept 72 year old fart came within 7 points of defeating a God!

Then who is your electable candidate? Too high to answer?

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@ bronson

I believe the implication was about abortion and the lefts support of the proceedure.

@ italy

Daniels would be a strong VP candidate, but I don’t think he has the charisma to be the head of the ticket.

Now a Ryan/Daniels ticket… that would be formidable.

@ writer 11:40

Hahaha… very funny!

ImNotBlue said:
@ bronson I believe the implication was about abortion and the lefts support of the proceedure. @ italy Daniels would be a strong VP candidate, but I don’t think he has the charisma to be the head of the ticket. Now a Ryan/Daniels ticket… that would be formidable. @ writer 11:40 Hahaha… very funny!

They could not quite say it. I am glad you pointed it out. To say that there would be no abortions with “support of the procedure” is idiocy.

@ bronson

Huh?

jim bronson 990cc said:
More baseless crap. Get it through your head, conjob, abortion is a legal procedure.

Why do you believe in the killing of innocent lives?

Hermam Cain 2012..Now if only he could get his name out there a bit more..

notsofast said:
Are you high, son?

With the worst economy in years,fighting 2 wars, an inept 72 year old fart came within 7 points of defeating a God!

I know and that is what is crazy, Obama’s approval ratings are really high. He has a higher approval rating than Reagan did at this time in his Presidency. The crazy thing is that Obama is going to win reelection and probably will be considered one of our greatest Presidents. That is nuts!

Cause Obama sucks!

Obeezy said:
Hermam Cain 2012..Now if only he could get his name out there a bit more..

Tee Hee.

ImNotBlue said:
@ bronson Huh?

You cannot be that dense. You do realize that the US is not the only place a woman can get an abortion?

Color Me Badd said:
I know and that is what is crazy, Obama’s approval ratings are really high. He has a higher approval rating than Reagan did at this time in his Presidency. The crazy thing is that Obama is going to win reelection and probably will be considered one of our greatest Presidents. That is nuts!

Hahahahahahahahahahha.. greatest President…You people still think Carter was great,,, But you are right Obama sucks…

jim bronson 990cc said:
More baseless crap. Get it through your head, conjob, abortion is a legal procedure.

And? That it’s legal doesn’t change what it IS, which is taking a living thing and making it a dead thing. Do you know what that thing is, jimmy?

ImNotBlue said:
@ bronson

I believe the implication was about abortion and the lefts support of the proceedure.

@ italy

Daniels would be a strong VP candidate, but I don’t think he has the charisma to be the head of the ticket.

Now a Ryan/Daniels ticket… that would be formidable.

@ writer 11:40

Hahaha… very funny!

My fear with Daniels is not only his charisma factor but his relation to the Bush dynasty. I think there are too many ads that can be created against the Bushes still. And the base of the R’s/conservatives still are not Bush fans quite yet. They’ll respect them, but not sure if they’ll be ready for another Bush admin. candidate. I do like me some Ryan though so that could be the winning part.

I know a lot of Palin supporters are gungho on only her, but if the R’s just play nice with her (so to speak) she could be a strong contender after or could continue her playmaker status and lose like Reagan did before winning later on. I’d support a Ryan/West ticket, but other than Palin/West, Ryan/West….I don’t know of any other mixes that’ll get donors or the base happy. It’s easier to win over Independents after you can establish your base. Besides, O would spin every time that Ryan would bring up any sort of number dealing with the economy – totally popcorn worthy.

I think that if Palin gets a seat at the debating table, that’ll suffice the Palin crowd. However, if the R’s are gonna start bashing everyone, no dice for just any R that is out there. That’s my take at least.

WCinWI said:
Why do you believe in the killing of innocent lives?</blockquote
I support the law of the land. Why don't you?

Pablo said:
And? That it’s legal doesn’t change what it IS, which is taking a living thing and making it a dead thing. Do you know what that thing is, jimmy?

Apparently, you cannot say it. Why?

@ Badd

Obama’s re-election (with the non-race obsessed folks) depends on two things… the economy, and healthcare. If even one of those (IMO) don’t turn Obama’s way (economy doesn’t drastically improve, or the SCOTUS shoots down Obamacare), the Republicans will have a strong advantage going into the election.

Additionally, those items will remain his legacy. For him to be remembered for anything, he’ll need those to swing his way, or he will be remembered for accomplishing nothing major. Honestly, outside of Obamacare, what will his longterm accomplishments be?

jim bronson 990cc said:
You cannot be that dense. You do realize that the US is not the only place a woman can get an abortion?

not only that but it will return to back alley abortions.

jim bronson 990cc said:

Because I care about life too much. It’s this whole idea of a woman (like myself) being able to give birth. It should be cherished rather than looked at as being a burden.

Btw – I’m without kids.

writer said:
Coulter is hot.

YIKES!

Sure would like what you are smokin.

WCinWI said:
Because I care about life too much. It’s this whole idea of a woman (like myself) being able to give birth. It should be cherished rather than looked at as being a burden. Btw – I’m without kids.

You cannot possibly believe all women are fit to be mothers…

ImNotBlue said:
@ Badd

Obama’s re-election (with the non-race obsessed folks) depends on two things… the economy, and healthcare. If even one of those (IMO) don’t turn Obama’s way (economy doesn’t drastically improve, or the SCOTUS shoots down Obamacare), the Republicans will have a strong advantage going into the election.

Additionally, those items will remain his legacy. For him to be remembered for anything, he’ll need those to swing his way, or he will be remembered for accomplishing nothing major. Honestly, outside of Obamacare, what will his longterm accomplishments be?

It is going to be super hard and next to impossible for a Republican candidate to disrupt the media driven narrative that Obama is the comeback kid, and now that he is playing the game the right way (totally capitulating to Republicans), he is going to be next to impossible to beat.

The economy is in the toilet now, we are fighting two wars that most people don’t understand why we are in. And this guy is still pulling big numbers.

The Republicans really have next to no chance of beating him unless a Larry Sinclair type of scandal pops up, you guys better hope it does or your party is gonna be right back where it was pre-teaparty in 08.

Just telling the truth, I don’t even like Obama and won’t vote for him anyway.

Sure would like what you are smokin.

Score!!

@ bronson

Re-read your first reply to me, and then explain how I was supposed find that conclusion in it.

Besides, who’s talking about global abortion? We’re talking about the stuff in our country… the stuff we have authority over.

And it’s legality is exactly that arguement being made in terms of “Jesus,” and so on. The arguement goes: “Jesus would not support abortions, which the left has fought to legalize, therefore he would not be one of them.”

TangledThorns said:
Don’t need Christie, we have Sarah Palin who’ll beat Obama in 2012. Easily.

I love Sarah, but I don’t believe there is any chance that would happen. I don’t think she can win the nomination. I wish Christie would run, but I think that will come in later years.

Obeezy said:
Hahahahahahahahahahha.. greatest President…You people still think Carter was great,,, But you are right Obama sucks…

I know it is totally crazy, but like all Presidents, they are measured by what they accomplished and Obama accomplished a lot in his first two years. Got a lot of stuff passed. That is the sign of a great President to historians. I think it’s nuts he sucks.

Laurie Beth said:
I mean, you guys are going to lose regardless,

Not going to happen.

ImNotBlue said:
@ Badd

Obama’s re-election (with the non-race obsessed folks) depends on two things… the economy, and healthcare. If even one of those (IMO) don’t turn Obama’s way (economy doesn’t drastically improve, or the SCOTUS shoots down Obamacare), the Republicans will have a strong advantage going into the election.

Additionally, those items will remain his legacy. For him to be remembered for anything, he’ll need those to swing his way, or he will be remembered for accomplishing nothing major. Honestly, outside of Obamacare, what will his longterm accomplishments be?

Totally agree with this. And there are many ways in which the economy can become affected. My parents already talk about noticing the cost increase of grocery goods. It will be interesting. Our state already has a recall effort going after our R governor because he’s bringing up the idea of pension reform. It’s gonna be a battle. Conservatives just need to win the voting on conviction battle in the media. Facts win.

My only secondary claim would be that if the ME falls out – bad elections, MB gains more traction than initially thought, more countries start to fall/riot because of the internet, etc. – this will also be his legacy. This is TBD.

jim bronson 990cc said:
Apparently, you cannot say it. Why?

Sure I can. It.

Did you have something you wanted to add, jimmy? You know, about the wonders of abortion.

@ Badd

You do make a decent point, but I think he’s more vulnerable than you expect.

libbyliberal said:
Obama has it in the bag.

I believe you are a wee bit overconfident.

jim bronson 990cc said:
You cannot possibly believe all women are fit to be mothers…

If you’re not fit to be a mother, then don’t have sex.

MEDIAITE:

Let’s get some morning show segment stories up in the mutha:

BOEHNER WAS HILARIOUS ON MTP: as was Tea Party guy who OF COURSE could not name something he would cut from budget while saying we needed “adult conversation” HILARIOUS

Palin might not beat Obama, but she wouldn’t be like McCain and be too polite to ask him anything embarrassing.

Color Me Badd said:
I think it’s nuts he sucks.

Barack Obama, teabagger.

Pablo said:
Sure I can. It. Did you have something you wanted to add, jimmy? You know, about the wonders of abortion.

that’s the exception, not the rule.

WCinWI said:
Totally agree with this. And there are many ways in which the economy can become affected. My parents already talk about noticing the cost increase of grocery goods. It will be interesting. Our state already has a recall effort going after our R governor because he’s bringing up the idea of pension reform. It’s gonna be a battle. Conservatives just need to win the voting on conviction battle in the media. Facts win.

My only secondary claim would be that if the ME falls out – bad elections, MB gains more traction than initially thought, more countries start to fall/riot because of the internet, etc. – this will also be his legacy. This is TBD.

You guys really don’t get it. The media narrative is what is important because that is what dictates how much money these candidates get in contributions. Wall Street wants a guy that is going to play their game, Obama is totally sucking up to them now in a big way cause he knows he has to get reelected and they got the cash. This shit is so predictible. When Wall Street is convinced that Obama is going to do their bidding (which he most certainly will), its totally over. You guys could raise Ronald Reagan from the dead and his rancid reanimated corpse would lose to Obama. It is really that simple.

I really have no dog in this fight, I cant stand Obama and I hate Republicans worse. I am just telling you teabags the truth.

hanoisteve said:
the teabaggers were protesting to preserve the status quo. with the support of billionaire oil men, cable news networks and the former speaker of the house. not exactly the persecuted under class.

Will you ever get it right?

WCinWI said:
My parents already talk about noticing the cost increase of grocery goods.

gas prices go up, groceries go up. it happened under bush’s watch as well.

ImNotBlue said:
@ bronson Re-read your first reply to me, and then explain how I was supposed find that conclusion in it. Besides, who’s talking about global abortion? We’re talking about the stuff in our country… the stuff we have authority over. And it’s legality is exactly that arguement being made in terms of “Jesus,” and so on. The arguement goes: “Jesus would not support abortions, which the left has fought to legalize, therefore he would not be one of them.”

Possibly not. On the other hand, would he be in favor of making the act criminal?
The point you missed was, the left cannot be given the blame for an act that may not occur within the bordeers of the US. How would the US “control” an action that took place outside its borders?

Patrick Henry said:
I love Sarah, but I don’t believe there is any chance that would happen. I don’t think she can win the nomination. I wish Christie would run, but I think that will come in later years.

Sarah is unconventional when it comes to elections. What you have to understand and at least respect is that her supporters would be free volunteers willing to give up numerous amounts of hours to campaign, etc. for her. You can’t mess with that. I think that she will come as a surprise to people. Besides, states that weren’t part of the mix before will now be part of the mix.

Michigan, FL, WI and Ohio are HUGE game players.

It’s time for some frank conversation. If she can do it, then let her be the nominee. If someone else can do it, let them.

Pablo said:
Barack Obama, teabagger.

He is a douche, he wan’t the teabags to be his friend. What an asshole if I were him I would taunt the hell out of them.

hanoisteve said:
i don’t play pool, i play snooker.

Makes sense, you seem to be snookered fairly easily.

SilentSam said:
Chris Christie? This ain’t the early 1900’s anymore. Americans would never elect a fat man as their president.

Canadians are funny .

zumpano said:
MEDIAITE:

Let’s get some morning show segment stories up in the mutha:

BOEHNER WAS HILARIOUS ON MTP: as was Tea Party guy who OF COURSE could not name something he would cut from budget while saying we needed “adult conversation” HILARIOUS

Mediaite is hard at work writing stories about how Matthew Perry called Bret Baier an asshole and important stuff like that. Dan Abrams is on the case!

WCinWI said:
If you’re not fit to be a mother, then don’t have sex.

tell that to the 12 yr old that had no choice in the matter. a baby having a baby.

Color Me Badd said:
He is a douche, he wan’t the teabags to be his friend. What an asshole if I were him I would taunt the hell out of them.

He tried that and got his ass handed to him in November. So, I guess that’s when he decided to suck some balls.

Kat said:
tell that to the 12 yr old that had no choice in the matter. a baby having a baby.

Republicans don’t care about the rape of a 12 year old girl and the fact that if they had their way she would have to have her rapists child. They care about the unborn! Idiots.

Pablo said:
Sure I can. It. Did you have something you wanted to add, jimmy? You know, about the wonders of abortion.

It? That all you got? Your problem is you want to make it as though abortion is a procedure forced on a woman, hence the avoidance of choice.

Kat said:
gas prices go up, groceries go up. it happened under bush’s watch as well.

Sure – but when the narrative is surrounding a country with other dismal facts, a media narrative starts to form.

Kat said:
tell that to the 12 yr old that had no choice in the matter. a baby having a baby.

As long as were killing people can we have the guy who raped her? Or should we just hush that up?

Pablo said:
He tried that and got his ass handed to him in November. So, I guess that’s when he decided to suck some balls.

Bullshit you dont even know how many of us want Obama to destroy the teabags. He could do it easily and would be loved for it by most of us. He doesn’t cause he is a nice guy, watch the O’Reilly interview. Most people in Obama’s position the leader of the free world being interviewed by a basic cable host, would have either shown O’Reilly the door or made him look like the know nothing he is. Obama is too nice to these people.

Kat said:
tell that to the 12 yr old that had no choice in the matter. a baby having a baby.

Tell that 12 yr old to not have sex.

writer said:
Unless a birth certificate was produced, Christie could claim that he’s only half fat.

I needed a good laugh, thanks writer!

WCinWI said:
If you’re not fit to be a mother, then don’t have sex.

Nice avoidance of the question…

Color Me Badd said:
Bullshit you dont even know how many of us want Obama to destroy the teabags. He could do it easily and would be loved for it by most of us. He doesn’t cause he is a nice guy, watch the O’Reilly interview. Most people in Obama’s position the leader of the free world being interviewed by a basic cable host, would have either shown O’Reilly the door or made him look like the know nothing he is. Obama is too nice to these people.

If by these people, you mean all of the media yes. The media is a sad state of affairs.

WCinWI said:
Tell that 12 yr old to not have sex.

Wow how inhuman of you, 12 year old girls get raped by their fathers and you are telling this little girl not to have sex. You are disgusting.

jim bronson 990cc said:
Nice avoidance of the question…

No – your question was based on an unnecessary parameter.

WCinWI said:
If by these people, you mean all of the media yes. The media is a sad state of affairs.

Hope you don’t have kids.

Color Me Badd said:
Bullshit you dont even know how many of us want Obama to destroy the teabags. He could do it easily and would be loved for it by most of us. He doesn’t cause he is a nice guy, watch the O’Reilly interview. Most people in Obama’s position the leader of the free world being interviewed by a basic cable host, would have either shown O’Reilly the door or made him look like the know nothing he is. Obama is too nice to these people.

destroy other americans, gotta love it

jim bronson 990cc said:
It? That all you got? Your problem is you want to make it as though abortion is a procedure forced on a woman, hence the avoidance of choice.

jimmy, you need to back and reread the comment that set you off on this.

Alz said:
Second, I doubt Jesus would be for killing our own offspring as the Left likes to do.

Then here was you, jimmy:

jim bronson 990cc said:
What offspring has the left killed? Be specific!

Your question has been answered. But you seem to still want to argue about the subject without actually arguing any sort of a point. So, just to focus yourself a little, why don’t you tell us how wonderful it is that we kill 1 out of every 4 black kids.

Pablo said:
As long as were killing people can we have the guy who raped her? Or should we just hush that up?

i don’t understand your questions.

jim bronson 990cc said:
More baseless crap. Get it through your head, conjob, abortion is a legal procedure.

The point wasn’t whether we consider it legal or not, it was whether Jesus would be a member of a group that approves it.

HM, nothing on the great speeches by African American’s at CPAC. I wonder why?

WCinWI said:
Tell that 12 yr old to not have sex.

OMG you didn’t just type that????? Talk about one sick bitch.

WCinWI said:
No – your question was based on an unnecessary parameter.

Which you avoided. How about getting to the topic and finding who the GOP is going to run in about 21 months.

Color Me Badd said:
Wow how inhuman of you, 12 year old girls get raped by their fathers and you are telling this little girl not to have sex. You are disgusting.

Yes – when you start to make policies that break down the family structure, then you’re going to set up moral situations that are less than ideal.

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jim bronson 990cc said:
Which you avoided. How about getting to the topic and finding who the GOP is going to run in about 21 months.

Why? Anyone could beat O at this stage. There is no need for a nominee right now. Get back to be after the Sept. elections in Egypt.

@ bronson

How does what happens outside our borders have any relevance in this conversation at all?

Patrick Henry said:
The point wasn’t whether we consider it legal or not, it was whether Jesus would be a member of a group that approves it.

If Jesus was against abortion, what would Jesus consider a proper penalty?

ImNotBlue said:
@ bronson How does what happens outside our borders have any relevance in this conversation at all?

Wow, unreal. You have heard of transportion, haven’t you?

sarainitaly says:
I would love Christie to run. I am pretty impressed with Mitch Daniels’ speech, and can’t wait to hear more from him if/when he decides to run.

You’ll notice Sara that Mediaite ignored that one too. The only speeches they covered were those they perceive as controversial.

Color Me Badd said:
Bullshit you dont even know how many of us want Obama to destroy the teabags. He could do it easily and would be loved for it by most of us. He doesn’t cause he is a nice guy, watch the O’Reilly interview.

For the last 2 years, the Tea Party has been crazy and stupid. Republicans have been sipping on a Slurpee, doing nothing but saying no. Obama has been the most wonderful of wonderful things and so much better than all those fat stupid old racist right wingers.

Then, in November, America booted him square in the ass. That’s why he’s walking funny now.

WCinWI said:
Yes – when you start to make policies that break down the family structure, then you’re going to set up moral situations that are less than ideal.

So now the left is responsible for incest and rape? WTH is wrong with you?

Kat said:
OMG you didn’t just type that????? Talk about one sick bitch.

Hello cat lady.

Of course conservatives feel bad about rape situations. However, we also live in a world where 12 yrs olds are having “consensual” sex. My heart would go out for this individual, in the chance it was a rape situation.

See – that’s where libs get twisted. The fact that you could even think that any human being would hold value in rape is just a twisted idea – speaking to your own convictions.

Color Me Badd said:
Bullshit you dont even know how many of us want Obama to destroy the teabags. He could do it easily and would be loved for it by most of us. He doesn’t cause he is a nice guy, watch the O’Reilly interview. Most people in Obama’s position the leader of the free world being interviewed by a basic cable host, would have either shown O’Reilly the door or made him look like the know nothing he is. Obama is too nice to these people.

Hussein is scared s#*tless of the Tea Partiers. His owner, George Soros, has assured him that Demo-Suckers will be controlled by genning up hatred through personal attacks against truth-speakers, but “Zero the Hero” ain’t quite so sure. Right now, Hussein knows he has to walk a tightrope to have ANY chance against a strong Conservative candidate.

I agree with the thinking that if Republicans put up another McCain-like, old-guarder like Romney, Conservatives will again just stay home knowing voting will be of no use.

Pablo said:
That’s the trick, Jimmy. They don’t have names.

It’s easier to convince yourself it isn’t a person if you don’t name it.

Kat said:
i don’t understand your questions.

I’m sure you don’t, hon.

jim bronson 990cc said:
If Jesus was against abortion, what would Jesus consider a proper penalty?

He’d expect His Dad to take care of it.

WCinWI said:
Why? Anyone could beat O at this stage. There is no need for a nominee right now. Get back to be after the Sept. elections in Egypt.

Then you should have no trouble finding a nominee whom polling suggests could win in less than 21 months. After all, there were about 13 declared GOP candidates 4 years ago at this time.
As for the Egyptians, I’m glad they will have elections for the first time in 30 years, aren’t you?

Kat said:
So now the left is responsible for incest and rape? WTH is wrong with you?

I think your cats are affecting your decisions and assumptions.

You’re speaking crazy talk now.

Pablo said:
I’m sure you don’t, hon. He’d expect His Dad to take care of it.

So nothing. Thanks. BTW, did your dad take care of that answer for you?

@ bronson

Here’s what you’re gonna do… You’re going to restate the opinion and question that stated this discussion. Then explain why you’ve brought outside the US into it.

You’ve moved the goalposts and changed the direction of debate to something we’re not talking about.

Kat said:
So now the left is responsible for incest and rape? WTH is wrong with you?

Do you have any idea how stupid you sound?

jim bronson 990cc said:
Then you should have no trouble finding a nominee whom polling suggests could win in less than 21 months. After all, there were about 13 declared GOP candidates 4 years ago at this time.
As for the Egyptians, I’m glad they will have elections for the first time in 30 years, aren’t you?

Haha – polling. What a silly notion. Keep riding that whole polling idea. HAHAHAHAHAHA

And sure I am. I fear the death and chaos that Egypt may now face. Aren’t you?

WCinWI said:
Hello cat lady. Of course conservatives feel bad about rape situations. However, we also live in a world where 12 yrs olds are having “consensual” sex. My heart would go out for this individual, in the chance it was a rape situation. See – that’s where libs get twisted. The fact that you could even think that any human being would hold value in rape is just a twisted idea – speaking to your own convictions.

I never said they didn’t. I went on your reply of *tell them not to have sex.* Maybe you should have expounded on your reply.

ImNotBlue said:
@ bronson Here’s what you’re gonna do… You’re going to restate the opinion and question that stated this discussion. Then explain why you’ve brought outside the US into it. You’ve moved the goalposts and changed the direction of debate to something we’re not talking about.

You need to follow the thread. I wasn’t the one who started this aspect of the discussion.

jim bronson 990cc said:
You need to follow the thread. I wasn’t the one who started this aspect of the discussion.

You sure stretched it out though. All Alz has to do was hang out just a little bit of bait and you’ve been swimming with the hook in your mouth, tugging on that line for 130 comments now.

WCinWI said:
I think your cats are affecting your decisions and assumptions. You’re speaking crazy talk now.

Again, i went on your initial response.

Pablo said:
I’m sure you don’t, hon.

I made a statement and I get snark back. Not surprising.

Kat said:
I never said they didn’t. I went on your reply of *tell them not to have sex.* Maybe you should have expounded on your reply.

No – I assume that NORMAL people would understand that idea that nearly ALL people think rape is a horrible situation.

I mean seriously….that just made you look beyond silly.

WCinWI said:
Haha – polling. What a silly notion. Keep riding that whole polling idea. HAHAHAHAHAHA And sure I am. I fear the death and chaos that Egypt may now face. Aren’t you?

I do not see overthrowing a dictator as a negative.
BTW, is it silly to look at who actually has a chance?

Kat said:
Again, i went on your initial response.

I made a statement and I get snark back. Not surprising.

Type a snarky answer, get a snarky answer back.

This is why the Tea Party exists – sheep that can’t think outside the bun.

Patrick Henry said:
The point wasn’t whether we consider it legal or not, it was whether Jesus would be a member of a group that approves it.

AHH

I don’t remember anyone saying Jesus was a democrat -only a Socialist.

jim bronson 990cc said:
I do not see overthrowing a dictator as a negative.
BTW, is it silly to look at who actually has a chance?

Apply this mentality to the Egyptian election process. Then get back to me. :)

Pablo said:
You sure stretched it out though. All Alz has to do was hang out just a little bit of bait and you’ve been swimming with the hook in your mouth, tugging on that line for 130 comments now.

It is nice that you can follow a thread. Daddy help you with that, too?

Liberal Tormentor (formerly Seeing 2012 From My Window) said:
Kat said:So now the left is responsible for incest and rape? WTH is wrong with you? Do you have any idea how stupid you sound?

STFU. Do you know how stupid you sound with almost every post you make? I asked the questions on her intial replies that she did not reply in detail.

WCinWI said:
Apply this mentality to the Egyptian election process. Then get back to me. :)

HUH???

Someone needs to remind Ann Coulter that she is part of the Republican OLD Guard. Her time has passed and modern conservatism/libertarianism has left her behind.

Liberal Tormentor (formerly Seeing 2012 From My Window) said:
HM, nothing on the great speeches by African American’s at CPAC. I wonder why?

Probably because it was all bullshit? i particularly loved Allen west’s unsubstantiated hyperbolic Beckian rant. “Multiculturalism on steroids” Whatever happened to the melting pot? One true intent being a limit on big government? Charles Beard begs to differ and he presents actual empirical evidence to support his claim. “Liberal progressivism” evolved after the Constitution. FALSE! It’s failed in every country around the world. FALSE! China is using capitalism as a weapon against the United states? Come on, nobody can be so stupid as to believe any of this. Just because you present a few blacks doesn’t make them examples for the entire community. I’d rather be like Barack Obama than Allen West any day. Just because you have a black man at CPAC doesn’t mean there is no racist element among the tea party movement or conservativism.

Liberal Tormentor (formerly Seeing 2012 From My Window) said:
Kat said:
So now the left is responsible for incest and rape? WTH is wrong with you?

Do you have any idea how stupid you sound?

HAHAHA!!! That’s a good one!!!

jim bronson 990cc said:
HUH???

HAHAHAHAHA thanks for proving my point.

A ‘Beckian rant’? Is that like a Gregorian chant?

jim bronson 990cc said:
It is nice that you can follow a thread. Daddy help you with that, too?

Nope. Daddy’s dead. But thanks for asking.

writer said:
A ‘Beckian rant’? Is that like a Gregorian chant?

No, it’s more like refudiate, only plausible because all I did was add a suffix which can mean related to or like.

WCinWI said:
mean seriously….that just made you look beyond silly.

No your comments were beyond silly into disturbing.

Kat said:
No your comments were beyond silly into disturbing.

Nice try.

In other news, would you like to tell me what the Obama administration is willing to cut in order to balance our non-existent budget? I’ll wait for this.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
Probably because it was all bullshit? i particularly loved Allen west’s unsubstantiated hyperbolic Beckian rant. “Multiculturalism on steroids” Whatever happened to the melting pot? One true intent being a limit on big government? Charles Beard begs to differ and he presents actual empirical evidence to support his claim. “Liberal progressivism” evolved after the Constitution. FALSE! It’s failed in every country around the world. FALSE! China is using capitalism as a weapon against the United states? Come on, nobody can be so stupid as to believe any of this. Just because you present a few blacks doesn’t make them examples for the entire community. I’d rather be like Barack Obama than Allen West any day. Just because you have a black man at CPAC doesn’t mean there is no racist element among the tea party movement or conservativism.

The_Reasonable_Lib – How you do it is beyond me!! Seriously, how in the hell does a human being become so utterly and completely stupid. I think other stupid people (many on this board) would enjoy hearing your stupid story. So we can learn not to be stupid…like you.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
Probably because it was all bullshit? i particularly loved Allen west’s unsubstantiated hyperbolic Beckian rant. “Multiculturalism on steroids” Whatever happened to the melting pot?

Multiculturalism is the opposite of the melting pot. Europe is figuring out why it doesn’t work.

WCinWI said:
Nice try. In other news, would you like to tell me what the Obama administration is willing to cut in order to balance our non-existent budget? I’ll wait for this.

Nice try

you change the subject of your ridiculous replies on abortion, incest and rape. Where did I say anywhere on this thread I back the Obama admin?

cjd ohio 1 said:
destroy other americans, gotta love it

I wish he would crush them put them in camps etc. he wont

WCinWI said:
Yes – when you start to make policies that break down the family structure, then you’re going to set up moral situations that are less than ideal.

Again I want to stress I hope I pray that you don’t have children. If you do I worry about them and feel so bad for them.

Kat said:
Nice try

you change the subject of your ridiculous replies on abortion, incest and rape. Where did I say anywhere on this thread I back the Obama admin?

No – I have a pretty sincere reply to all of those. I’m not in favor of any of those situations.

When you represented yourself as a sheep that thinks like a liberal – that’s when.

Color Me Badd said:
I wish he would crush them put them in camps etc. he wont

you are great lol

Color Me Badd said:
Again I want to stress I hope I pray that you don’t have children. If you do I worry about them and feel so bad for them.

Seeing as you’re one of the most rude posters on this site, that says a lot. :)

Color Me Dumbb said:
I wish he would crush them put them in camps etc. he wont

You’re such a good little progressive, CMD. Hitler really knew what he was doing, amirite?

Color Me Badd said:
I wish he would crush them put them in camps etc. he wont

well , it would not be the first time a democrat put americans in camps

Mediaite has degenerated into high school quality postings and comments. Pity, it was good for a while. Gonna have to cut back…too boring.

Yayyy! We’re going to camp. First dibs on the canoe.

Pablo said:
Multiculturalism is the opposite of the melting pot. Europe is figuring out why it doesn’t work.

You sure about that? Definition of multiculturalism:
1.)The idea that a society, notably one with a high rate of immigration, is enriched by celebrating the separate contributions of its component cultures.
merriam-webster definition:
of, relating to, reflecting, or adapted to diverse cultures

Melting pot:
A place where many divergent things (often races or cultures, but also talents) come together and are homogenized.
merriam-webster’s again:
a place where a variety of races, cultures, or individuals assimilate into a cohesive whole

That homogeneity cannot exist without multiculturalism.

WCinWI said:
Seeing as you’re one of the most rude posters on this site, that says a lot. :)

That is true I am rude to teabaggers, I think they are trying to destroy our country. But I love children and care about their well being and when they have a father who would blame a 12 year old girl for getting raped by her father I worry about the well being and safety of them.

cjd ohio 1 said:
well , it would not be the first time a democrat put americans in camps

True dat.

WCinWI said:
When you represented yourself as a sheep that thinks like a liberal – that’s

yeah i’m one of the sheeple. *rolls eyes*

Color Me Badd said:
That is true I am rude to teabaggers, I think they are trying to destroy our country. But I love children and care about their well being and when they have a father who would blame a 12 year old girl for getting raped by her father I worry about the well being and safety of them.

No one has placed blame on any rape victim. You really are just delusional.

If I were Breitbart, I’d play a bar trick on you.

Phocus2 said:
Mediaite has degenerated into high school quality postings and comments. Pity, it was good for a while. Gonna have to cut back…too boring.

It never degenerated into anything it has always been this way. Because of what they cover, they are the TMZ of politics so naturally they attract the type of people who view politics as TMZ fodder. Hence you get a lot of really unintelligent comments made by know nothings who have a cursory understanding of how government and politics work. They actually believe Sarah Palin can beat Barack Obama in 2012.

That level of disconnect is mind boggling, it’s like believing in Santa Claus when you are 30.

Kat said:
yeah i’m one of the sheeple. *rolls eyes*

Yes – this is a quality that you showed. Thanks for agreeing.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
You sure about that? Definition of multiculturalism:
1.)The idea that a society, notably one with a high rate of immigration, is enriched by celebrating the separate contributions of its component cultures.
merriam-webster definition:
of, relating to, reflecting, or adapted to diverse cultures

Melting pot:
A place where many divergent things (often races or cultures, but also talents) come together and are homogenized.
merriam-webster’s again:
a place where a variety of races, cultures, or individuals assimilate into a cohesive whole

That homogeneity cannot exist without multiculturalism.

So instead of reading the article, you comment on two terms…..hahahahahaha

Color Me Ignorant said:
That is true I am rude to teabaggers, I think they are trying to destroy our country. But I love children

Do you love the 1/4 black children that are aborted?

WCinWI said:
So instead of reading the article, you comment on two terms…..hahahahahaha

I responded to his assertion which was that multiculturalism is the opposite of the melting pot. Was that not what he was trying to get at? You, sir, are the fool here.

Liberal Tormentor (formerly Seeing 2012 From My Window) said:
Color Me Ignorant said:
That is true I am rude to teabaggers, I think they are trying to destroy our country. But I love children

Do you love the 1/4 black children that are aborted?

Isn’t that less blacks for democrats to make dependent on the government as you believe they do?

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
I responded to his assertion which was that multiculturalism is the opposite of the melting pot. Was that not what he was trying to get at? You, sir, are the fool here.

No – he was linking to an article talking about David Cameron’s statements on why multiculturalism doesn’t work.

You, ma’am, are the fool here.

WCinWI said:
No – he was linking to an article talking about David Cameron’s statements on why multiculturalism doesn’t work.

You, ma’am, are the fool here.

And he was doing that to prove his initial assertion, no?

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
Isn’t that less blacks for democrats to make dependent on the government as you believe they do?

Belief? That would be fact. :)

Maybe you might want to change the culture of black women having more abortions than other ethnic groups. That’s some change I could believe in.

“Coulter’s warning to Republicans that “if we don’t run Chris Christie, Romney will be the nominee and we’ll lose.”

Yeah, and that’s a good thing…. Smile :-)

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
And he was doing that to prove his initial assertion, no?

If you’d like to call an opinion an assertion, sure. Last I checked, opinion was just that….opinion.

WCinWI said:
No one has placed blame on any rape victim. You really are just delusional.

If I were Breitbart, I’d play a bar trick on you.

If you were Breitbart you would be a closeted homosexual praying to god everyday that the videos don’t pop up.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
That homogeneity cannot exist without multiculturalism.

No, you’re missing it. The melting pot refers to people from different cultures melting into a single culture, homogenizing. Multiculturalism refers to multiple cultures existing side by side without homogenizing.

WCinWI said:
Belief? That would be fact. :)

Maybe you might want to change the culture of black women having more abortions than other ethnic groups. That’s some change I could believe in.

Nope. Under Carter welfare rolls went down, under Reagan and Bush, they went up. Under Clinton they went down and under Bush they went up again. I assume you’ll make the argument that Dems were in control during times they went up, but under Bush republicans had control in Congress, so that argument is moot.

I honestly don’t care what they do; it has no effect on me and mine. They’re the ones that have to live with the consequences and guilt afterwards and believe me there is a lot of it. Statistically speaking, most of them end up with babies again anyway. As I said though, it has nothing to do with me.

Color Me Badd said:
If you were Breitbart you would be a closeted homosexual praying to god everyday that the videos don’t pop up.

Yeah – that makes total sense. Let’s ask Breitbart’s wife and kids.

WCinWI said:
If you’d like to call an opinion an assertion, sure. Last I checked, opinion was just that….opinion.

An opinion is an assertion when stated:
a positive statement or declaration, often without support or reason

As I said, I addressed that.

“Coulter’s warning to Republicans that “if we don’t run Chris Christie, Romney will be the nominee and we’ll lose.”

Yeah, and that’s a good thing…. Smile :-)

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
Nope. Under Carter welfare rolls went down, under Reagan and Bush, they went up. Under Clinton they went down and under Bush they went up again. I assume you’ll make the argument that Dems were in control during times they went up, but under Bush republicans had control in Congress, so that argument is moot.

I honestly don’t care what they do; it has no effect on me and mine. They’re the ones that have to live with the consequences and guilt afterwards and believe me there is a lot of it. Statistically speaking, most of them end up with babies again anyway. As I said though, it has nothing to do with me.

1) How did welfare come into this mix? Seems like deflection.

2) When an abortion is funded with public dollars, then yes, it does affect you. Or when that same individual has another kid and needs to use public funding to support that kid, then yes it does affect you.

Try again.

Pablo said:
No, you’re missing it. The melting pot refers to people from different cultures melting into a single culture, homogenizing. Multiculturalism refers to multiple cultures existing side by side without homogenizing.

You’re missing it. If there is not a multicultural society to begin with then there is no room for homogeneity. You must first have one in order to achieve the other. I would also make the argument that you can assimilate but still maintain your own culture. African Americans have a subset culture, but ultimately are still Americans and will identify as such.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
An opinion is an assertion when stated:
a positive statement or declaration, often without support or reason

As I said, I addressed that.

Pablo clarified. That’s where I thought he was going with his statement. Answer his statement instead of making mine some big deal. :)

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
You’re missing it. If there is not a multicultural society to begin with then there is no room for homogeneity. You must first have one in order to achieve the other. I would also make the argument that you can assimilate but still maintain your own culture. African Americans have a subset culture, but ultimately are still Americans and will identify as such.

Are you African American? If not, I wouldn’t suggest that we make assumptions about one culture versus another.

That said, how does one go from many to one? I would suggest you start with one and then see how the many fit that ideal.

WCinWI said:
1) How did welfare come into this mix? Seems like deflection.

2) When an abortion is funded with public dollars, then yes, it does affect you. Or when that same individual has another kid and needs to use public funding to support that kid, then yes it does affect you.

Try again.

Are you being serious here? You’re arguing about government dependency which is what the right calls welfare programs.

Abortions are only funded by public dollars in rare cases, the number of those for the most recent info available was 191. Having another kid is not the same as abortion. And no, it doesn’t. The 1/100th of a penny that goes to them from my tax dollars is nothing.

Notsosmart, is that you?

WCinWI said:
Pablo clarified. That’s where I thought he was going with his statement. Answer his statement instead of making mine some big deal. :)

Yes, he did, and I did. You’re the one that’s trying to make things a big deal here, are you not? Or maybe you’re just trolling as I suspect.

WCinWI said:
Are you African American? If not, I wouldn’t suggest that we make assumptions about one culture versus another.

That said, how does one go from many to one? I would suggest you start with one and then see how the many fit that ideal.

Yeah, definitely notsosmart.
And no, you start with many and get one from that. that is how the United States came to be.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
Are you being serious here? You’re arguing about government dependency which is what the right calls welfare programs.

Abortions are only funded by public dollars in rare cases, the number of those for the most recent info available was 191. Having another kid is not the same as abortion. And no, it doesn’t. The 1/100th of a penny that goes to them from my tax dollars is nothing.

Notsosmart, is that you?

No – the right thinks that welfare is essential. We just think there needs to be more regulation of it. Any time that tax dollars get expended to someone, there should be strict obligations and time limits as to how long welfare is provided.

Federal funding should not be applied to abortion, radio programs, broadcasting, etc.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
Yes, he did, and I did. You’re the one that’s trying to make things a big deal here, are you not? Or maybe you’re just trolling as I suspect.

Yeah, definitely notsosmart.
And no, you start with many and get one from that. that is how the United States came to be.

No, he’s way more funny with his posts than I am. You might want to compare.

And no, we came from the idea that people had had enough and they wanted more.

WCinWI said:
No one has placed blame on any rape victim. You really are just delusional.

I don’t want to beat a dead horse here. Clearly in my initial post I said 12 yr olds *without a choice* and CMB said *rape.* And your reply was…… tell them not to have sex. You were the one that appeared delusional.

Now I am off to work to one of those huge corporations that looks to us as numbers, not humans. But I am very thankful, these days, I still have a job…….for now.

I think its a bit too early for her to be saying stuff like this.

She doesnt know all the Repubs who will be running and in fact doesnt know if Obama will seek a second term.

If he has to show his birth certificate in some states to be on the ballot he might take the wussy way out and say he wants to spend more time with Michelle and not want a second term.

This comment is more justified in the fall of 2011

Kat said:
I don’t want to beat a dead horse here. Clearly in my initial post I said 12 yr olds *without a choice* and CMB said *rape.* And your reply was…… tell them not to have sex. You were the one that appeared delusional.

Now I am off to work to one of those huge corporations that looks to us as numbers, not humans. But I am very thankful, these days, I still have a job…….for now.

1) Your comment could have been interpreted both ways. That said, it’s horrible when any human assumes that someone is a supporter of rape. Period.

2) That’s your choice to feel like a number to that corporation. You have free will to find a career that you feel passionate about.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
You’re missing it. If there is not a multicultural society to begin with then there is no room for homogeneity.

You’re confusing people with cultures. People can come to a society and melt right into its culture. Cultures do not.

zumpano said:
GOTTA GIVE CRYPT KEEPER PROPS FOR SPEAKING 1/2 TRUTH THOUGH:

GOP WILL LOSE NO MATTER WHAT NEXT PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

DEAL WITH IT

I’M SURE GLAD WE HAVE YOU AND YOUR CRYSTAL BALL!! DO YOU HAVE THE POWERBALL NUMBERS IN THAT THING? HOW ABOUT A KENTUCKY DERBY WINNER?

Ann–we in the progressive world would LOVE to see Christie run. That windbag bully has walk-in closets to be explored. BTW, when is your Adam’s apple shaving scheduled? It’s the only thing holding back your transformation.

Glackin said:
Ann–we in the progressive world would LOVE to see Christie run. That windbag bully has walk-in closets to be explored. BTW, when is your Adam’s apple shaving scheduled? It’s the only thing holding back your transformation.

Why must you disrespect the President’s call for civility? You must be a racist.

Somebody needs to put coulter on DECAF instead of high caffeine coffee.

Certainly, no rational person disputes the fact that “The WORST PRESIDENT of Modern America” must be defeated in the Nov. 2012 election. Based on the horrific candidate the “Republicans” nominated in 2008, every effort must be made this time to avoid a person with such massive character flaws and get a candidate that reflects real American conservative values. Unfortunately, there are a lot of presidential wanna-be’s that, like AMNESTY-JOHN, simply cannot win. They MUST NOT be the nominee if we want to further take back our country in 2012.

Christie is certainly one of several good choices that have a real chance of winning – but he’s NOT the only or necessarily the BEST choice in that group

Pablo said:
You’re confusing people with cultures. People can come to a society and melt right into its culture. Cultures do not.

Why not? Hispanic culture is a fusion of Portuguese, Spanish, and the natives of the area. Puerto Rican culture is a fusion of African culture, particularly in their foods, and hispanic culture. Roman culture was widely influenced by Greek culture, their pantheon in particular, and every culture that they assimilated, save the jews as I;m sure you know. American culture is a fusion of French qualities and philosophy, British, Spanish, Dutch and a splash of native thrown in with regards to our agriculture, our language is partially German. Please tell me how this is wrong.

zumpano said:
Powerball and Kentucky Derby doesn’t PAY OUT IN GOLD THOUGH

Who needs gold when you got survival seeds!!!!

WCinWI said:
No – the right thinks that welfare is essential. We just think there needs to be more regulation of it. Any time that tax dollars get expended to someone, there should be strict obligations and time limits as to how long welfare is provided.

Federal funding should not be applied to abortion, radio programs, broadcasting, etc.

The majority of people on welfare are single mothers and they’re on it for 2 years. What of disability, notsosmart, I’m curious as to your beliefs on that.

Really? So not if somebody is raped and doesn’t have money to pay for it? What about the mentally handicapped?

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
Why not? Hispanic culture is a fusion of Portuguese, Spanish, and the natives of the area. Puerto Rican culture is a fusion of African culture, particularly in their foods, and hispanic culture. Roman culture was widely influenced by Greek culture, their pantheon in particular, and every culture that they assimilated, save the jews as I;m sure you know. American culture is a fusion of French qualities and philosophy, British, Spanish, Dutch and a splash of native thrown in with regards to our agriculture, our language is partially German. Please tell me how this is wrong.

Yes, those influences went into a melting pot and fused into ONE. This is a different thing than several cultures being beside each other and the raftload of identity politics that arise when they don’t assimilate into one culture as individuals. Here, maybe this will help.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
The majority of people on welfare are single mothers and they’re on it for 2 years. What of disability, notsosmart, I’m curious as to your beliefs on that.

Really? So not if somebody is raped and doesn’t have money to pay for it? What about the mentally handicapped?

Do you work for an agency that knows the exact facts for welfare programs? If not, yours is merely an opinion.

You can ask nososmart about that if you wish to know his take on it.

There is this thing called adoption. If the rape victim is young, that is where there should be debate. That is a tricky situation – when the mother is in medical harm.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
Who needs gold when you got survival seeds!!!!

And ProFlowers!

All this talk of pots and seeds. You’re drawing the attention of the DEA.

writer said:
All this talk of pots and seeds. You’re drawing the attention of the DEA.

And the White House garden.

No wonder those gardeners are always smiling.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
So not if somebody is raped and doesn’t have money to pay for it?

Why do you need to find the rarest of circumstances to bolster ‘abortion on demand?’ I’m sure that rape or incest cases can easily be worked out with reasonable compromise. But it’s UNREASONABLE to use rape as an excuse for the disgrace we new endure at the hands of Liberals.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:What about the mentally handicapped?

Why? They just grow up to be LIberals. What’s that got to do with abortion?

zumpano said:
GOTTA GIVE CRYPT KEEPER PROPS FOR SPEAKING 1/2 TRUTH THOUGH:

GOP WILL LOSE NO MATTER WHAT NEXT PRESIDENTIAL ELECTION

DEAL WITH IT

Yo, numbnuts, ask your mom where the caps lock is.

Pablo said:
Yes, those influences went into a melting pot and fused into ONE. This is a different thing than several cultures being beside each other and the raftload of identity politics that arise when they don’t assimilate into one culture as individuals. Here, maybe this will help.

But before you said that people can come together as one, but not cultures. Perhaps you should have clarified that. So are you saying that a hispanic person who identifies as an American but still holds their culture in high regard has no place in American society?

zumpano said:
Powerball and Kentucky Derby doesn’t PAY OUT IN GOLD THOUGH

teheehee

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
But before you said that people can come together as one, but not cultures. Perhaps you should have clarified that. So are you saying that a hispanic person who identifies as an American but still holds their culture in high regard has no place in American society?

Hahahaha you’re just so funny. Why do you insist on asking such outlandish questions? Are you really that crazy?

2+2 = 4.

Mr.Papshmer said:
Yo, numbnuts, ask your mom where the caps lock is.

Its for the Glen Beck crowd

THEY ARE HARD OF HEARING

nutsofast said:
teheehee

Apparently, I’m you.

Libs are nuts.

That is all.

WCinWI said:
Do you work for an agency that knows the exact facts for welfare programs? If not, yours is merely an opinion.

You can ask nososmart about that if you wish to know his take on it.

There is this thing called adoption. If the rape victim is young, that is where there should be debate. That is a tricky situation – when the mother is in medical harm.

My numbers are based on official statistics from the government.

So you would put an autistic person such as my sister through the pain of child birth to satisfy your narrow world view?

Davo said:
Why do you need to find the rarest of circumstances to bolster ‘abortion on demand?’ I’m sure that rape or incest cases can easily be worked out with reasonable compromise. But it’s UNREASONABLE to use rape as an excuse for the disgrace we new endure at the hands of Liberals.

Why? They just grow up to be LIberals. What’s that got to do with abortion?

Come on, man, seriously? I know I’ve used the word retard before, but have some respect here. Making light of actual mentally handicapped people isn’t funny.

libbyliberal said:
Obama has it in the bag. There are no decent Republicans. I thought Romney had the best chance.But he is a bit too plastic; and too Mormon, and too Socialist, at least according to some right leaning good ole’ rill American Christians. Jesus was a Socialist.

Not true, Jesus was not a socialist and I can prove it. I just asked GOD to shake the building that I’m in if Jesus was a socialist and he didn’t do it. CASE CLOSES.

Ann Coulter is absolutely right.

Romney may look good on paper, but he’s basically the 2012 Republican version of John Kerry: establishment favorite, seen as experienced by many, looks/sounds presidential.

But in the end, he has several problems:

1) Romneycare
2) He’s stiff/boring….He just can’t match Obama’s charisma and likeability.
3) He’s a flip flopper.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
My numbers are based on official statistics from the government.

So you would put an autistic person such as my sister through the pain of child birth to satisfy your narrow world view?

In what situation is the autistic individual giving birth? From a rape? Their own choice to have sex? I need parameters. I also would need to know the likelihood of this individual having complications from this pregnancy.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
My numbers are based on official statistics from the government.

So you would put an autistic person such as my sister through the pain of child birth to satisfy your narrow world view?

If you’d like to provide the link to your assertions, that’d be great.

Also, I have only been a proponent for Federal funding not being a part of the mix. A person that pays for their own abortion is better than federal funding. I don’t believe in public funding for Planned Parenthood, NPR, etc…..the should be private entities.

Chris Christie is overrated.

His budget cutting and blunt talk will only take him so far. His poll numbers in NJ also reflect that he’s starting to wear out his welcome there a little bit.

I think many on the right like the public image that Chris Christie has right now, but I think he would implode under the heavy scrutiny of a presidential campaign. And I think his mouth would get him into trouble over a long campaign.

He just doesn’t have the optimistic qualities that people have consistently voted for in a presidential candidate.

WCinWI said:
In what situation is the autistic individual giving birth? From a rape? Their own choice to have sex? I need parameters. I also would need to know the likelihood of this individual having complications from this pregnancy.

Here’s the thing; even if it is “their own choice to have sex” these people are not mentally there, they can easily be tricked into something, even having sex. That’s the parameter. Complications should not matter; these people are unable to raise children at all.

nutsofast said:
Its for the Glen Beck crowd

THEY ARE HARD OF HEARING

Whats wrong, RRK? Get tired of your other sock puppets, son?

WCinWI said:
HAHAHAHAHA thanks for proving my point.

What point? You have a point? Perhaps a little surgery can take care of that blemish.

Pablo said:
Nope. Daddy’s dead. But thanks for asking.

Read one of your posts?

Pablo said:
You’re such a good little progressive, CMD. Hitler really knew what he was doing, amirite?

Wow, a Hitler reference. I feel like I’m watching Glenn Beck:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-may-12-2010/back-in-black—glenn-beck-s-nazi-tourette-s

As a Democrat, the candidates I would honestly be most worried about would be as follows:

1) Huckabee: He’s optimistic, likeable. He can articulate conservative principles without sounding mean-spirited. Women voters like him. And I think he would unify the conservatives better than most people think he would.

2) Thune: could be a credible alternative, give his relative youth, etc….but don’t know enough yet to say.

3) Jon Huntsman: Could be very strong (if the base will vote for him).

The non-starter candidates would be:
-Palin
-Santorum
-Bachman

Democrats & moderates would stay away from those 3 in droves.

People who are competent, but probably wouldn’t win:
-Daniels
-Barbour
-Romney (Romney would make it a close race, but would ultimately lose, I think).
-Pawlenty

I can’t speak for conservatives of course, but I’m saying which candidates I think would be most likely to draw moderate Democrats away.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
Here’s the thing; even if it is “their own choice to have sex” these people are not mentally there, they can easily be tricked into something, even having sex. That’s the parameter. Complications should not matter; these people are unable to raise children at all.

If that’s the case, then adoption is an option.

jim bronson 990cc said:
What point? You have a point? Perhaps a little surgery can take care of that blemish.

Such disrespect for the President. You must be a racist.

jim bronson 990cc said:
Wow, a Hitler reference. I feel like I’m watching Glenn Beck:
http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-may-12-2010/back-in-black—glenn-beck-s-nazi-tourette-s

I am disappointed in the Daily Show’s lack of respect for those that actually suffer from Tourettes. What a disgrace for Stewart.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
So are you saying that a hispanic person who identifies as an American but still holds their culture in high regard has no place in American society?

People who hold their culture in higher regard that American culture should not move to America. They should stay where they like the culture better. People who aspire to being American should move here, legally. They can definitely bring their recipes, any cool music they might have, stuff like that. But we want people who want to be Americans. We shouldn’t want people to come here and segregate themselves.

You know, I linked to that article about Sarkozy, Cameron and Merkel’s comments on multiculturalism for a reason. Did you read it? Do you not understand what they’re saying?

nutsofast said:
Its for the Glen Beck crowd

Seriously, man, you have got to be one completely lame douche to do what you’re doing with someone else’s name and picture. Can you even look at yourself in the mirror? What an asshole.

jim bronson 990cc said:
More baseless crap. Get it through your head, conjob, abortion is a legal procedure.

Slavery was legal too.

And I’m not saying anything one way or another about abortion. But rather, I am pointing out that the notion of “settled law” is a crappy argument. We have plenty of bad “settled” laws.

WCinWI said:
Such disrespect for the President. You must be a racist.

What disrespect? I asked another question you couldn’t answer…

jim bronson 990cc said:
What disrespect? I asked another question you couldn’t answer…

Such disrespect for the President’s call for civility.

Just_MC said:
Slavery was legal too. And I’m not saying anything one way or another about abortion. But rather, I am pointing out that the notion of “settled law” is a crappy argument. We have plenty of bad “settled” laws.

Actually, I believe it was an issue left up to the states until the 13th Amendment was passed.

jim bronson 990cc said:
What disrespect? I asked another question you couldn’t answer…

I’d like to know what you think of Just_MC’s argument. :)

WCinWI said:
If you’d like to provide the link to your assertions, that’d be great.

Also, I have only been a proponent for Federal funding not being a part of the mix. A person that pays for their own abortion is better than federal funding. I don’t believe in public funding for Planned Parenthood, NPR, etc…..the should be private entities.

What about churches? Why should churches get tax exemptions? Let’s see your hypocrisy.

WCinWI said:
If that’s the case, then adoption is an option.

Do you know how many homeless children there are in the US today? What have YOU done about it? Talk is cheap with the “adoption is an option” excuse.

mibwilso said:
As a Democrat, the candidates I would honestly be most worried about would be as follows:

1) Huckabee: He’s optimistic, likeable. He can articulate conservative principles without sounding mean-spirited. Women voters like him. And I think he would unify the conservatives better than most people think he would.

Too religious and has some liberal views on various issues. His record in AR will get him in trouble from someone on his right.

2) Thune: could be a credible alternative, give his relative youth, etc….but don’t know enough yet to say.

Most people don’t know who the heck he is. Done nothing stellar in the Senate and he voted for the bailouts. Bad for anyone in a GOP primary.

3) Jon Huntsman: Could be very strong (if the base will vote for him).

Mormon and he worked for Obama. A non-starter.

WCinWI said:
I’d like to know what you think of Just_MC’s argument. :)

Can you guys get on topic?

WCinWI said:
Such disrespect for the President’s call for civility.

What was uncivil? Just like your Egyptian elections reference. You are on another planet.

Man-bear-pig alert!!

jim bronson 990cc said:
Actually, I believe it was an issue left up to the states until the 13th Amendment was passed.

So you believe in conservative principles. Interesting.

jim bronson 990cc said:
What was uncivil? Just like your Egyptian elections reference. You are on another planet.

Hahaha pot, meet kettle.

Libs are funny.

WCinWI said:
I’d like to know what you think of Just_MC’s argument. :)

Then follow the thread. Second time…

Gasket said:
What about churches? Why should churches get tax exemptions? Let’s see your hypocrisy.

Son, funding and tax exemptions are two completely different things. You want to end the poor people’s small places of worship?

Gasket said:
Do you know how many homeless children there are in the US today? What have YOU done about it? Talk is cheap with the “adoption is an option” excuse.

Loads of parents on waiting lists for children.

Gasket said:
What about churches? Why should churches get tax exemptions? Let’s see your hypocrisy.

Do you know how many homeless children there are in the US today? What have YOU done about it? Talk is cheap with the “adoption is an option” excuse.

Too religious and has some liberal views on various issues. His record in AR will get him in trouble from someone on his right.

Most people don’t know who the heck he is. Done nothing stellar in the Senate and he voted for the bailouts. Bad for anyone in a GOP primary.

Mormon and he worked for Obama. A non-starter.

If a church can prove that they have done charity work, I don’t see the problem.

I believe in promoting a culture of family values. This is where society’s culture problem lies.

Huckabee and Huntsman are non-starters – see, we can agree. :)

Gasket said:

Too religious and has some liberal views on various issues. His record in AR will get him in trouble from someone on his right.

Most people don’t know who the heck he is. Done nothing stellar in the Senate and he voted for the bailouts. Bad for anyone in a GOP primary.

Mormon and he worked for Obama. A non-starter.

I can’t say how well those folks will do in a primary…Im just saying who I think would have the most chance to win in the general election.

Huckabee: I actually think people underestimate Huckabee….you’re right that he’ll get flack on some things in the primary, but I ultimately think that conservatives would come out and vote for him if he were the nominee. I don’t think he’s “too religious”…because his views on social issues are basically the same as any other Republican. Democrats wouldn’t distinguish between him and the others that much. To us, they’re ALL conservative.

Thune: I agree about those problems that you mentioned….but a lot of Repubs supported the bailout at the time.

Huntsman: *If* he can win the primary, he would be formidable.

WCinWI said:
If a church can prove that they have done charity work, I don’t see the problem.

I believe in promoting a culture of family values. This is where society’s culture problem lies.

Huckabee and Huntsman are non-starters – see, we can agree. :)

You promote a culture of family values through actions, not words or symbolic legislation.

We can agree on “family values” if you mean things like honoring your vows, taking care of (and loving) your children, spending time together, etc.

But family values should be based on how you live with your OWN family…not how you think someone else’s family should operate.

mibwilso said:
I can’t say how well those folks will do in a primary…Im just saying who I think would have the most chance to win in the general election.

Huckabee: I actually think people underestimate Huckabee….you’re right that he’ll get flack on some things in the primary, but I ultimately think that conservatives would come out and vote for him if he were the nominee. I don’t think he’s “too religious”…because his views on social issues are basically the same as any other Republican. Democrats wouldn’t distinguish between him and the others that much. To us, they’re ALL conservative. Thune: I agree about those problems that you mentioned….but a lot of Repubs supported the bailout at the time.

Huntsman: *If* he can win the primary, he would be formidable.

I don’t know why you’re trying to push the idea that Huntsman would ever win in an Repub. primary. Never gonna happen.

Thune is good where he’s currently positioned.

Huckabee is too big on the government side of stuff for conservatives.

Herman Cain, Paul Ryan and Alan West is where it’s at right now.

WCinWI said:
I don’t know why you’re trying to push the idea that Huntsman would ever win in an Repub. primary. Never gonna happen.

Thune is good where he’s currently positioned.

Huckabee is too big on the government side of stuff for conservatives.

Herman Cain, Paul Ryan and Alan West is where it’s at right now.

Or even Allen. :)

WCinWI said:
I don’t know why you’re trying to push the idea that Huntsman would ever win in an Repub. primary. Never gonna happen.

Thune is good where he’s currently positioned.

Huckabee is too big on the government side of stuff for conservatives.

Herman Cain, Paul Ryan and Alan West is where it’s at right now.

The problem for the GOP is this: ALL of the major candidates talking about running have some flaw that will displease the base of the party. There is no “pure” conservative running that is also electable.

I’m from GA, so I know about Herman Cain. He can’t even win a Senate race in his home state, let alone a presidential election. He’s never even been close.

Alan West is too far to the right to win the general.

Paul Ryan….maybe at some point, but I think it’s too early for him. But he’s at least rational and sane enough to appeal to Democrats.

mibwilso said:
You promote a culture of family values through actions, not words or symbolic legislation.

We can agree on “family values” if you mean things like honoring your vows, taking care of (and loving) your children, spending time together, etc.

But family values should be based on how you live with your OWN family…not how you think someone else’s family should operate.

If another family is going to effect my money supply, then yes, I should have a say in how other people live their lives. That’s the main objection of the whole free health care argument.

Why should I need to subsidize the cost of someone that smokes or eats unhealthy. You may not agree with it and that’s ok.

mibwilso said:
The problem for the GOP is this: ALL of the major candidates talking about running have some flaw that will displease the base of the party. There is no “pure” conservative running that is also electable.

I’m from GA, so I know about Herman Cain. He can’t even win a Senate race in his home state, let alone a presidential election. He’s never even been close.

Alan West is too far to the right to win the general.

Paul Ryan….maybe at some point, but I think it’s too early for him. But he’s at least rational and sane enough to appeal to Democrats.

I didn’t say that I wanted any of these folks as the Presidential nominee.

Anyone has the ability to beat Obama. That’s the beauty of it all. No one needs to hop in the race right now.

If you think Allen West is too right for the nation, then I advise you move while the real adults take control.

mibwilso said:
The problem for the GOP is this: ALL of the major candidates talking about running have some flaw that will displease the base of the party. There is no “pure” conservative running that is also electable.

I’m from GA, so I know about Herman Cain. He can’t even win a Senate race in his home state, let alone a presidential election. He’s never even been close.

Alan West is too far to the right to win the general.

Paul Ryan….maybe at some point, but I think it’s too early for him. But he’s at least rational and sane enough to appeal to Democrats.

Also, the GOP doesn’t really have an issue right now. They have a scuffle sure. But it’s easy as to who’s going to win that argument. The real issue is the Dems as 2012 is going to weed out the moderate Dems. If you’re a Democrat, you might want to worry about that more.

WCinWI said:
If another family is going to effect my money supply, then yes, I should have a say in how other people live their lives. That’s the main objection of the whole free health care argument.

Why should I need to subsidize the cost of someone that smokes or eats unhealthy. You may not agree with it and that’s ok.

I get where you’re coming from.

But we do that already. Who do you think pays for people with no insurance who check themselves into the emergency room?

Either the govt. does or people who already have insurance do.

WCinWI said:
Also, the GOP doesn’t really have an issue right now. They have a scuffle sure. But it’s easy as to who’s going to win that argument. The real issue is the Dems as 2012 is going to weed out the moderate Dems. If you’re a Democrat, you might want to worry about that more.

I’m not really worried about that. If the GOP nominates a far-right Republican, Obama will be just fine.

I know you’ll disagree, but I don’t think Obama is the fire-breathing liberal that the right says he is. I know plenty of liberal Dems who think he’s too moderate.

I think his demeanor and overall working style is basically moderate at heart. He’s not angry.

WCinWI said:
I didn’t say that I wanted any of these folks as the Presidential nominee. Anyone has the ability to beat Obama. That’s the beauty of it all. No one needs to hop in the race right now. If you think Allen West is too right for the nation, then I advise you move while the real adults take control.

As opposed to the fake adults…what planet was that again?

WCinWI said:

Why should I need to subsidize the cost of someone that smokes or eats unhealthy. You may not agree with it and that’s ok.

That’s why I think you should support the health care plan. If people have access to healthcare, they will also be able to get preventative care. Doctors can help people quit smoking or lose weight. They can also catch major illnesses before they get too serious.

The Obama healthcare plan requires that insurance plans cover annual check-ups etc.

When you don’t have insurance, most people choose to skip out on the preventative stuff. In the long run, preventative medicine can help reduce overall health care costs.

mibwilso said:
I get where you’re coming from.

But we do that already. Who do you think pays for people with no insurance who check themselves into the emergency room?

Either the govt. does or people who already have insurance do.

Then we must, through actions, promote the culture of using primary care doctors and urgent care set-ups. I worked in the health care industry – on the business side. There are tons of non-ER options.

WCinWI said:
I didn’t say that I wanted any of these folks as the Presidential nominee.

Anyone has the ability to beat Obama. That’s the beauty of it all. No one needs to hop in the race right now.

If you think Allen West is too right for the nation, then I advise you move while the real adults take control.

I, for one, would LOVE watcing Allen West debate Barack Obama!

mibwilso said:
That’s why I think you should support the health care plan. If people have access to healthcare, they will also be able to get preventative care. Doctors can help people quit smoking or lose weight. They can also catch major illnesses before they get too serious.

The Obama healthcare plan requires that insurance plans cover annual check-ups etc.

When you don’t have insurance, most people choose to skip out on the preventative stuff. In the long run, preventative medicine can help reduce overall health care costs.

Feel free to support it all you want. I don’t believe in mandated insurance. I believe in state-to-state options. Unless I can tell you to not smoke or to not eat that cheeseburger, then it should not be mandated care.

As I said, there are plenty of non-ER based options.

When Obama starts to actually tackle SS, Medicare and so on….then I will consider him an adult. Also, if this Egypt situation falls down, it’s his Carter moment. I wouldn’t breathe easy without Obama and his teleprompter.

mibwilso said:
That’s why I think you should support the health care plan. If people have access to healthcare, they will also be able to get preventative care. Doctors can help people quit smoking or lose weight. They can also catch major illnesses before they get too serious.

The Obama healthcare plan requires that insurance plans cover annual check-ups etc.

When you don’t have insurance, most people choose to skip out on the preventative stuff. In the long run, preventative medicine can help reduce overall health care costs.

Also, I don’t agree in providing a society of dependency. Where I could agree is that if someone was in school, whether they be 25 or 45, they could have access to their parents health care for student based options. If not a student, health care isn’t a necessity.

WCinWI said:
Also, I don’t agree in providing a society of dependency. Where I could agree is that if someone was in school, whether they be 25 or 45, they could have access to their parents health care for student based options. If not a student, health care isn’t a necessity.

*health insurance…health care is always a necessity.

WCinWI said:
Then we must, through actions, promote the culture of using primary care doctors and urgent care set-ups. I worked in the health care industry – on the business side. There are tons of non-ER options.

Agreed. But people won’t do that unless A) their insurance covers it or B) They’re really feeling sick.

Otherwise, most people would (understandably) think “I feel fine, why should I go to the Doctor if I can save the money for something else?”

We may disagree on HOW to do it, but I truly believe that everyone (regardless of income or party) would benefit from having universal health coverage.

It’s much cheaper to treat someone early than to have a bunch of acute problems showing up at the hospital all the time.

WCinWI said:
Feel free to support it all you want. I don’t believe in mandated insurance. I believe in state-to-state options. Unless I can tell you to not smoke or to not eat that cheeseburger, then it should not be mandated care.

As I said, there are plenty of non-ER based options.

When Obama starts to actually tackle SS, Medicare and so on….then I will consider him an adult. Also, if this Egypt situation falls down, it’s his Carter moment. I wouldn’t breathe easy without Obama and his teleprompter.

I get your concerns about mandated insurance. I don’t necessarily like the idea of it myself…. The problem, though, is that you don’t start to realize the cost savings until you get everyone covered.

I think car insurance is a good example (even though it’s a state-by-state thing). If you get hit by an uninsured motorist, who pays?? YOUR insurance does.

If you get hit by an insured motorist, however, THEIR insurance pays. See the difference?

If uninsured people show up at the hospital, everyone who DOES have insurance pays for it through higher premiums.

Similarly, we use tax dollars to pay for fire & police protection, instead of having fee-for-service. That way, the fire just gets put out, no matter what.

It’s definitely a trade off, I know. Nobody likes to be required to do something….but in the long run everyone benefits.

Another argument in favor of universal coverage is protection from epidemics.

If you have a bunch of people who get infected with some exotic disease, a doctor can catch that.

But if they can’t go to the doctor, they walk around sick and infect everyone

WCinWI said:
Also, I don’t agree in providing a society of dependency. .

I don’t either. That’s why I think that everyone who receives government assistance for healthcare should pay at least something (even if it’s just a dollar).

But to me, it’s more important to get people covered.

You ultimately reduce dependency, however, by helping people develop the skills to become self-sufficient.

mibwilso said:
I get your concerns about mandated insurance. I don’t necessarily like the idea of it myself…. The problem, though, is that you don’t start to realize the cost savings until you get everyone covered.

I think car insurance is a good example (even though it’s a state-by-state thing). If you get hit by an uninsured motorist, who pays?? YOUR insurance does.

If you get hit by an insured motorist, however, THEIR insurance pays. See the difference?

If uninsured people show up at the hospital, everyone who DOES have insurance pays for it through higher premiums.

Similarly, we use tax dollars to pay for fire & police protection, instead of having fee-for-service. That way, the fire just gets put out, no matter what.

It’s definitely a trade off, I know. Nobody likes to be required to do something….but in the long run everyone benefits.

The reason why a car argument doesn’t hold up to the health insurance argument is because you can choose to not drive a car.

I would rather promote actions of going to non-ER based sites (that can take care of a lot of the same issues that folks at the ER see).

Also, most of the ER funds are off-set. What you need to do is figure out how to bring the cost of procedures down. There is no reason why a brain injury should cost $1 million. Also, GE shouldn’t be allowed to charge so much money when placing their machines in new hospital structures.

mibwilso said:
I don’t either. That’s why I think that everyone who receives government assistance for healthcare should pay at least something (even if it’s just a dollar).

But to me, it’s more important to get people covered.

You ultimately reduce dependency, however, by helping people develop the skills to become self-sufficient.

Then stop using government as a way to subsidize care.

Tell me how rationing of care is a cool thing to do. What illnesses & procedures do you deem as ok?

If you can find a way that you can compare the car insurance to the health insurance, let me know. I already provided this example.

In other news, Obama will be able to be beat on his high speed rail idea alone. Can’t wait for the debates in 2012. :)

WCinWI said:

What you need to do is figure out how to bring the cost of procedures down. There is no reason why a brain injury should cost $1 million. Also, GE shouldn’t be allowed to charge so much money when placing their machines in new hospital structures.

Agree that some procedures/equipment cost too much. But how do you get GE to charge less without some kind of mandate or price control? There is already private competition, but the costs are still too high. So I don’t know the answer.

WCinWI said:

Tell me how rationing of care is a cool thing to do. What illnesses & procedures do you deem as ok?

Ask the same question of private insurers. They already ration care on their own. They already decide what gets covered and what doesn’t.

I think there should be universal health care for preventative and basic life-saving treatments.

If you want fancy coverage that will cover elective surgeries and other non-essential treatments, then you should purchase additional coverage.

mibwilso said:
Agree that some procedures/equipment cost too much. But how do you get GE to charge less without some kind of mandate or price control? There is already private competition, but the costs are still too high. So I don’t know the answer.

From my understanding, there is little competition in that. I would try to figure out some monopoly law, making it different for GE to hold the reins.

mibwilso said:
Ask the same question of private insurers. They already ration care on their own. They already decide what gets covered and what doesn’t.

I think there should be universal health care for preventative and basic life-saving treatments.

If you want fancy coverage that will cover elective surgeries and other non-essential treatments, then you should purchase additional coverage.

Then I advise you move to Canada before the Supreme Court strikes your want down. :)

WCinWI said:
Then stop using government as a way to subsidize care.

Tell me how rationing of care is a cool thing to do. What illnesses & procedures do you deem as ok?

If you can find a way that you can compare the car insurance to the health insurance, let me know. I already provided this example.

Ok. Sure, you can choose whether or not to drive a car. Fair enough.

BUT, you don’t know who you might interact with. What if you go to a restaurant that’s been used by a person with an epidemic disease? Wouldn’t you rather see that person get treated than go around exposing others to the disease?

mibwilso said:
Ask the same question of private insurers. They already ration care on their own. They already decide what gets covered and what doesn’t.

I think there should be universal health care for preventative and basic life-saving treatments.

If you want fancy coverage that will cover elective surgeries and other non-essential treatments, then you should purchase additional coverage.

If there is any sort of universal health care coverage, then I, as a taxpayer, should be allowed to decide what you eat, how you eat it, when you eat it, how much you eat, etc.. As per the same with smoking and exercising.

WCinWI said:
Then I advise you move to Canada before the Supreme Court strikes your want down. :)

Just don’t think that will happen. The court has ruled in many other instances that the government has the authority to do things to promote the general welfare of the country and to regulate interstate commerce. Healthcare is effectively “interstate commerce” because it knows no state borders etc.

mibwilso said:
Ok. Sure, you can choose whether or not to drive a car. Fair enough.

BUT, you don’t know who you might interact with. What if you go to a restaurant that’s been used by a person with an epidemic disease? Wouldn’t you rather see that person get treated than go around exposing others to the disease?

Sure – but not with my tax dollars.

You’re trying to pull a straw man argument. It also depends on the type of epidemic. You don’t know that an illness will affect others than just the person infected.

WCinWI said:
If there is any sort of universal health care coverage, then I, as a taxpayer, should be allowed to decide what you eat, how you eat it, when you eat it, how much you eat, etc.. As per the same with smoking and exercising.

Preventative medicine and annual checkups would go a long way to reducing lots of those unhealthy behaviors.

(Obviously it can’t stop everything, but it’s a good start). But right now doctors are discouraged from doing things like that because they are supposed to spend as little time with patients as possible.

In the UK, for example, the govt. offers incentives to doctors who can demonstrate that they have helped patients lose weight, stop smoking, etc. (I’m not saying they have a perfect system…just saying that we need to somehow incentivize prevention)

mibwilso said:
Just don’t think that will happen. The court has ruled in many other instances that the government has the authority to do things to promote the general welfare of the country and to regulate interstate commerce. Healthcare is effectively “interstate commerce” because it knows no state borders etc.

No – because you can’t buy across state lines, health care is intrastate commerce.

I think there’s a pretty good chance that the Supreme Court will knock down the mandate clause, based on the idea that interstate commerce hasn’t been employed and most courts like to see all avenues implemented before hearing them.

WCinWI said:
Sure – but not with my tax dollars.

You’re trying to pull a straw man argument. It also depends on the type of epidemic. You don’t know that an illness will affect others than just the person infected.

Someone’s tax dollars have to pay for it. We all pay for the CDC as it is.

Case in point: Swine Flu, SARS, etc. Would those diseases have spread as quickly if we were able to get poor/lower income folks to the doctor sooner? I don’t think so.

WCinWI said:
No – because you can’t buy across state lines, health care is intrastate commerce.

I think there’s a pretty good chance that the Supreme Court will knock down the mandate clause, based on the idea that interstate commerce hasn’t been employed and most courts like to see all avenues implemented before hearing them.

It’s interstate commerce because people can get sick and need care outside of their home state.

mibwilso said:
Preventative medicine and annual checkups would go a long way to reducing lots of those unhealthy behaviors.

(Obviously it can’t stop everything, but it’s a good start). But right now doctors are discouraged from doing things like that because they are supposed to spend as little time with patients as possible.

In the UK, for example, the govt. offers incentives to doctors who can demonstrate that they have helped patients lose weight, stop smoking, etc. (I’m not saying they have a perfect system…just saying that we need to somehow incentivize prevention)

Ok – you don’t need mandated insurance to employ that strategy. You are merely explaining a work incentive program that could be implemented.

WCinWI said:

You’re trying to pull a straw man argument.

A straw man argument would be if I were attacking you for a position you don’t really hold….or attacking you for some tangential thing.

Epidemics like the flu and other diseases are not hypothetical. They really happen…and there’s lots of data to suggest that the poor are some of the most vulnerable.

WCinWI said:
Ok – you don’t need mandated insurance to employ that strategy. You are merely explaining a work incentive program that could be implemented.

Who incentivizes that? The govt. It’s not profitable to spend more time counseling patients on weight-loss or smoking cessation. It’s hard to imagine a private company doing that.

The other profit with for-profit medicine structures is this:

It’s simply more profitable for health care companies to have to provide services and equipment.

If more people get sick, more people need treatment and medicine…..all of which hospitals can bill to the insurance company and get paid.

Sorry, I meant “The other *problem* with for profit …”

mibwilso said:
It’s interstate commerce because people can get sick and need care outside of their home state.

Sure but just because you’re sick, doesn’t mean you need to use the ER. That’s your choice.

As I said, there are many options such as urgency care clinics that could be utilized.

There is a duty of care for people from state to state, however that’s not commerce. Commerce is the act of purchasing a good or service.

mibwilso said:
A straw man argument would be if I were attacking you for a position you don’t really hold….or attacking you for some tangential thing.

Epidemics like the flu and other diseases are not hypothetical. They really happen…and there’s lots of data to suggest that the poor are some of the most vulnerable.

Then we should work on getting jobs for the poor so that they can buy insurance. See how that works?

mibwilso said:
The other profit with for-profit medicine structures is this:

It’s simply more profitable for health care companies to have to provide services and equipment.

If more people get sick, more people need treatment and medicine…..all of which hospitals can bill to the insurance company and get paid.

You’re talking about policies that can all be fixed with non-government intervention.

WCinWI said:
You’re talking about policies that can all be fixed with non-government intervention.

Besides, most systems that work aren’t for-profit hospitals. I didn’t work for a for-profit health care system.

Just because you would like an act to be assisted by the government, doesn’t mean that it should.

WCinWI– Gotta go, but thanks for a good back and forth.

notsofast said:
Son, funding and tax exemptions are two completely different things. You want to end the poor people’s small places of worship?

The govt is subsidizing by allowing them NOT to pay taxes, son. If you don’t want the govt subsidizing anything, tax exemptions for churches will go as well. Are you ok with that? Basically, this subsidy argument is purely partisan. You guys just to want maintain subsidies for constructs that promote YOUR agenda. It’s very transparent.

Loads of parents on waiting lists for children.

Strawman. I asked why there are so many homeless kids since you obviously have faith in the adoption institution.

Annie Oakley said:
I, for one, would LOVE watcing Allen West debate Barack Obama!

You mean the guy who says that he has a higher clearance pass than Obama? LOL. You are right. I would love to watch Obama undress him in an intellectual debate on policy.

WCinWI said:
Also, the GOP doesn’t really have an issue right now. They have a scuffle sure. But it’s easy as to who’s going to win that argument. The real issue is the Dems as 2012 is going to weed out the moderate Dems. If you’re a Democrat, you might want to worry about that more.

Yeah….right!
http://www.foxnews.com/projects/pdf/021111_2012_election_web.pdf

WCinWI said:
If a church can prove that they have done charity work, I don’t see the problem.

I believe in promoting a culture of family values. This is where society’s culture problem lies.

The problem is you want the government to be an active participant from your response. What of the atheist who doesn’t want his/her “tax dollars” going to ANY religious institution? This is the argument YOU guys are using against PP and NPR because they don’t allegedly promote YOUR “values.” See the hypocrisy?

The problem is you want the government to be an active participant from your response. What of the atheist who doesn’t want his/her “tax dollars” going to ANY religious institution? This is the argument YOU guys are using against PP and NPR because they don’t allegedly promote YOUR “values.” See the hypocrisy?

No – I don’t think funding should go towards any broadcasting entity period. I don’t care if it’s conservative or non-conservative views.

I think that churches and communities are the real game changers in people’s lives. I also think that people should have an input into where their dollars are spent. I’d agree with your sentence as it relates to an atheist and religious institutions. That said, I’d be interested in the debate of non-exempt vs. exempt status as it applies to churches. However, if a church doesn’t get into politics, why should they not get tax-exempt status if they’re doing charitable work around the world and community?

Based only on what I know today, Christie is about the only Republican I could vote “FOR.” That position is subject to change as based on further information.

WCinWI said:
Sure but just because you’re sick, doesn’t mean you need to use the ER. That’s your choice.

As I said, there are many options such as urgency care clinics that could be utilized.

There is a duty of care for people from state to state, however that’s not commerce. Commerce is the act of purchasing a good or service.

That is one of the most ignorant things I have ever read. There are many options? What universe do you live in. If you don’t have money the ER is your only option. Someone needs to take your keyboard away from you.

@xoffender

For ignorance, look in the mirror and you’ll see more than this thread can handle. Someone should put you on stronger meds.

I use to get a few laughs out of Ann Coulter but after watching the two clips currently running on Mediaite I have to say she’s gone completely over the top. Most of her darts, arrows and sledgehammers really miss their mark. She’s always been one of the most opportunistic and outrageous of the far right pundits/comedians, and played and pandered to her audience like a virtuoso. The problem is that her audience must be shrinking because she’s not very funny and her info is more narrow focussed and inaccurate than ever. You can only beat up on Dems, Libs and Progs so much before it gets redundant. One thing I did agree with is that Christie is one of the best things the Reps have going for them, but he comes from one of the most liberal parts of the country and he can only move so far to the right. The Tea Party will never catch on in the New York metro area because, all joking asides, it’s evident that they have no serious insights into the workings of big city and grand scale urban and suburban government and will be even worse than the Democrat machines.

I’m confused… Coulter was a big Romney fan last election cycle…. and now she doesn’t like him because of “Romneycare”???

What is it about Romneycare that she doesn’t like??? The fact that it was created by a State Governor (who was acting as a “Reformist” with a $2B state debt) and a State Legislature to try and fix rising demands on State Tax Revs to pay for medical services for those who chose not to be insured? Or, is it The fact that it was written by The Heritage Foundation Consulting Group which is anUltra Conservative Organization? Or, the fact that citizens of MA are now not permitted to pass the bill for theirs and their family’s Medical Services on to the Tax Payers under the state legislated mandate? (Something that is perfectly Constitutional under the Tenth Amendment… States Rights)….

I like Coulter. In fact, I own all her books…. But she is in the weeds on this one.

Liberal Tormentor (formerly Seeing 2012 From My Window) said:
HM, nothing on the great speeches by African American’s at CPAC. I wonder why?

Playing the race card as expected!

The last time I listened to Ann Coulter, she was being interviewed and CBC and was wondering aloud why Canada was not our ally in Iraq when they had been our ally in Vietnam. So, if you want to continue paying attention to her, be my guest!

Coulter was a Romney groupie what’s changed?

She finally did her homework and discovered the guys a political chameleon, a liberal posing as a conservative? I remember hearing an interview with her on the radio in Iowa where she equated people who thought Romney was a liberal RINO with 9/11 truthers, eventually hunging up on the interviewer when he wanted to provide facts and ask probing questions not just mindlessly shill for her new book.

Coulter is damaged goods, as far as I’m concerned she’s lost her credibility with me it’s way too soon to be making predictions. She’s just riding the conservative suckers all the way to the bank!

Coulter: Without Chris Christie GOP Forced To Nominate Mitt Romney And ‘We’ll Lose’

I don’t often agree with Coulter but she could have a point here. If not Christie, who??? I haven’t seen another Republican yet whom I believe could literally trounce 0bama.

X-3 said:
Coulter: Without Chris Christie GOP Forced To Nominate Mitt Romney And ‘We’ll Lose’

I don’t often agree with Coulter but she could have a point here. If not Christie, who??? I haven’t seen another Republican yet whom I believe could literally trounce 0bama.

Chris Christie has the stones and the sheer in-your-face ire that tea partiers want. Pawlenty is a girly-man & only Thune seems to have a pair of cojones. Does Christie have a health condition? Besides being fat?