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Candidates Deliver Icy Response To Occupy Wall Street At GOP Debate

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Tonight’s CNN Republican 2012 primary debate will definitely go down as the liveliest of the campaign cycle so far for candidates going at each other’s policies with zest. In one memorable moment however, it wasn’t the candidates going after each other that made for a memorable quote, but one candidate standing by what many considered to be a callous comment about the popular Occupy Wall Street movement: yes, Herman Cain still thinks it’s your fault you don’t have a job.

With the topic coming up in the debate in general, Anderson Cooper turned to Cain to ask whether he stood by comments he made earlier during the movement, when he told the protesters to “blame yourself” for being poor and not having a job. Asked whether he stood by the comments, he replied flatly, “yes,” elaborating that “they ought to be in front of the White House protesting.”

Somewhat surprisingly, it is Rep. Ron Paul that responded somewhat more warmly towards the protesters, saying, “Mr. Cain has blamed the victims” and that, while some are to blame for their own misfortune, it was Washington and the Federal Reserve that deserved much of the blame. Cain took the opportunity to reply to Rep. Paul that he simply didn’t understand what protesters were looking for: “What do the people protesting want from bankers, for the bankers to come down and give them a check?”

The other candidate to receive the question, Mitt Romney, responded with little about the protesters, instead turning the question on President Obama and reminding the audience of his experience creating jobs.

The segment via CNN below:

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  • Anonymous

    The Righties are Scared Shitless of OWS!

    OWS! Coming to your town soon!

  • Bob

    Cain says Wall St. doesn’t write legislation – well, actually they do, by having lobbyists draft bill and then getting bought-and-paid for congressmen to sign on to them and sponsor.

  • http://mediamatters.org/ Leedog

    Ron Paul seemed to defend OWS!! Go Ron Paul and keep defending the middle-class… it drives the Republicons crazy!!

  • Anonymous

    How about when the audience cheered when Cain doubled down that the unemployed should blame themselves and not Wall St.

    Who’s perpetuating Class Warfare, Righties?

  • Anonymous

    The socialist sleep-over party has only reached a couple dozen in my city.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_B5344MYI6BXUL36ADKK3JBTPJA GJPinks

    bring it ocupees.

  • http://pulse.yahoo.com/_B5344MYI6BXUL36ADKK3JBTPJA GJPinks

    The lefties who want to steal from everyone better than they are.

  • Anonymous

    You should go down there an ‘entertain’ them with some of you Libertarian Punk Rock!

    Ayn Rand Rocks!!! Preach the Virtue of Selfishness, Yeah!!!

  • Anonymous

    You should go down there an ‘entertain’ them with some of you Libertarian Punk Rock!

    Ayn Rand Rocks!!! Preach the Virtue of Selfishness, Yeah!!!

  • Anonymous

    Your simplistic absolutist argument shows your ignorance!

    What’s up with you numbskull righties?

  • Bal

    don’t blame wall street, blame yourself? like its that easy to go out and get a job when you have over 9% unemployment. Cain is a joke. 
    What odds can i get for Cain to backtrack on his OWS comments when he realises he will be on the wrong side of history? about $1.20 i think. its a sure thing. These people are so full of sh!t and so predictable.

  • Anonymous

    And the richest one percent DO steal from the ninety nine percent that are below them, so you are right, we want our money back.  Better get some barbed wire homes…
     

  • Anonymous

    Don’t be scared!

    Everyone realizes that the Right runs on fear, but that’s just because you guys are pussies that want ‘other’ people to fight for you.

  • Anonymous

    Selfishness?  Like gimme, gimme, gimme?

    Marsha!  Marsha!  Marsha!

  • Norbit

    LA TEACHER UNION MEMBER!:

    “And I think that the Zionist Jews who are running these big banks and our Federal Reserve…They need to be run out of this country.”

    Hey Hollywood & Wall Street Jewish donors, still sending in that Drive-Israeli-Into-the-Sea Blood Money

  • Anonymous

    Are those some lyrics to one of your Super Groovy Libertarian Punk Rock Jams?

    Yeah!!!! Ayn Rand and Black Flag inspired! Killer!!!

  • Anonymous

    Yep, blame yourself.  If you want a job, you can find work.  Oh, you mean your DREAM JOB?  Uh, you don’t get that right out of the shoot, you have to earn it.  Some folks can get that when the economy is booming, but when it’s a pile of crap, it’s harder.  So don’t expect it and you pay yer dues.

    I’ve always said “I can always get a job, not always the job that I want”.  It was true 30 years ago and it’s true now. 

    But then again, I subscribe to the ‘what are you willing to do to get what you want”, club.  I don’t yell at mountains as to why they are so high, I look at one and ask myself if I want to climb it or not.  And then I either climb it, or not.

    How badly do you want something and what are you willing to go through to get it?  Woody Allen once said, 80% of success is showing up.  You put your shoulder to it.  The other 20% is major sweat.

    You can pretty much guarantee failure if you stand around and say ‘I hate this, why won’t someone just give it to me because I’m a good person?”  Uh, because you have to know how to do something that someone else wants to pay you for.  If you do, great.  If you don’t, then learn how to do something that someone wants to pay you for.  You might have to work at crap jobs for crap pay to pay the bills until that time that you finally get ‘there’.

    Been there, done that, got the t shirt.  Learned many lessons along the way.  Like just how committed that I can be.  How to keep the eyes on the prize.  How to not quit.  How to be a part of the food chain.  How to survive.  How then how to thrive.

    Yes, there is work involved with work and it’s only the beginning with college.  Then the REAL sweat begins. It can last a lifetime. It can involve changing tracks mid field.  It can mean working at something that you never expected. It can mean changing your major, tossing the old one into the dumpster, getting another or a different degree, moving out of town, moving out of state, starting all over, and oftentimes, stretches of sweating bullets.

    Our parents/grandparents called it ‘paying your dues’ and it was ‘character building’.  What it does it turn you into a person that can handle life because the one thing is for sure, it will CHANGE.  It is not static.  It’s not a linear process.  It’s sometimes being stymied.  Or two steps forward, one step back.  Stagnation then suddenly escalation. 

    What is definitely not, is guaranteed that it will all work.  One thing is for sure, if you don’t quit and just sit there, you will end up in a different place than where you began.  And if you work hard enough and minimize stupid decisions, you can be ahead.

    Perfect is for Hollywood movies, it’s not the real world.

  • http://www.facebook.com/tony.westover Tony Westover

    “but one candidate standing by what many considered to be a callous comment about the popular Occupy Wall Street movement”

    Popular? *LOL*

    That ridiculous, wishful assertion is based off of a hack TIME poll which didn’t even mention Occupy Wall Street by name. More recent polls have shown that their position is unpopular and that the majority of Americans correctly blame GOVERNMENT, not Wall Street, for our economic woes.

  • http://www.facebook.com/tony.westover Tony Westover

    Unemployment for people with higher education is very low at 4%. I think all the people with higher educations that are unemployed are actually at Occupy Wall Street. The whiny brats have overpriced degrees with worthless majors; they only have themselves to blame for their situation.

  • http://www.facebook.com/tony.westover Tony Westover

    I love when lazy losers like you say that you’ve had money stolen from you. *LOL* What money?

  • http://www.facebook.com/tony.westover Tony Westover

    They’ve been in my town for quite some time and nobody cares. And not even Deval Patrick was stupid enough to align himself with those whiny brats.

  • Anonymous
  • Anonymous

    Quincy, Mass……HAHAHHAHAHAH!!!

  • Mencius

    It goes beyond even that. I have to follow some hearings pretty closely as part of my job, and there are times, occasionally, when we get word ahead of time that Lawmaker X is going to say something Lobbying Association Y told him to say during a hearing, only he’ll pretend it’s something he’s bringing up spontaneously. The American Bankers Association is one of the most powerful lobbying groups in D.C.

  • Anonymous

    That’s boring!

    Post some of your Kick Ass Music!!!!

  • Anonymous

    You don’t realize that OWS is just a group of useful idiots for unions and big government ‘intellectuals’ and elitists. People at OWS are more mad at FOX News than they are at Obama and that is so very telling. But sure… keep on hating the GOP, you are realllly accomplishing something

  • Exgoper

    Typical con response. Don’t like the facts, just deny them.

  • Mencius

    Do you get paid to post whatever trash Limbaugh says?

    Here’s a basic fact. There were plenty of Tea Partiers who brought racist signs to rallies–let’s conservatively say at least 2 dozen, including two of the so called “founders”–and there were three or four instances of violence, including that kid who kicked at a Sarah Palin rally and the girl who was stomped at the Rand Paul event. There is footage of Tea Partiers mocking a crippled man because he supported the health care law, and they threw money at him like he was begging. Multiple Tea Partiers strongly hinted at a coming civil war, and I could easily find five or six right-wing whackos who were arrested while trying to actually commit violent acts against “Socialist Leftist” leaders, including that guy who was going to gun down everyone at the Tides Foundation and who said that he was a huge Glenn Beck fan. 

    Now, one stupid woman makes an anti-Semitic remark and one punk idiot shits on a cop car, and you guys think it’s tit for tat. The Tea Party, whatever you believe about them, have done plenty of things that most Americans would think are pretty reprehensible… unless you’re a willfully blind Limbaugh ditto-head. 

  • http://www.facebook.com/tony.westover Tony Westover

    Typical response from a delusional Progressive.

    Good luck finding “Occupy Wall Street” in the TIME poll questionnaire, since they’re ain’t in there. And the more recent Gallup/USA Today poll shows that many more people put the blame on the government.

    Doesn’t it just suck for you when the facts aren’t on your side, chump? Try living in reality some time like I do any you won’t have to deal with that embarrassment so frequently.

  • http://www.facebook.com/tony.westover Tony Westover

    Apparently you don’t own a map, shit-for-brains.

  • Anonymous

    Wait, what? Daily Kos or Dem Undeground, which do you come from? Wait, wrong question. AFL-CIO or the WH press office? Meh, what’s the point, a drone is a drone, and while resistance may be futile for you and your kind, the rest of us like to think independently. Clearly you don’t know when you’re spouting schlock that comes right out of their playbook talking points.

    But besides pointing out the obvious, I’ll take a strand from your co-opted theme about those that are scared shitless… Guess who else is? Your black Jesus in the white house and the pilot fish that surround him relying on his scraps and light.

    You think the many in his cabinet that he CHOSE from WALL STREET, are happy with OWS? You think those in the senate and house that rely on wall street money, lobbyists, connections, etc, are happy with OWS? You think those on wall street itself who donate to the Dems are happy with OWS? And finally, do you think your black Jesus who received more money from wall street then any POTUS AND an easy million alone from G. Sachs is happy with OWS?

    Now take off the tinfoil hat… You know what, wait, you’re not the type. You hail more from the knee-cappers side of the left aisle, union I’m guessing. So try to expand beyond your assimilation and ask yourself how much black Jesus has raised already from wall street. In the end, isn’t that the worst part? That you have this man, this God, playing with fire, going against the very people that elected him WHILE STILL TAKING MONEY FROM THEM, all the while playing your types like a fiddle. How does this not make you angry? Seriously.

    How do you sit there, at moveon HQ, and not either laugh your way through your posts or cry, while the man you’re defending is at the very center of the problem?

    Anyway, make sure you ignore the points I made and call me a shill for the right. Maybe throw in a Fixed Noise reference for laughs. (Fixed Noise is the hilariously awesome creative way those that don’t like one point of view pushed forth by some on a certain network.)

  • Anonymous

    Any fool can get in front of a camera (or behind a keyboard) these days, Norbit.  Just because they do does’nt mean the rest of us give them any credence.  Often, shining a light on them makes them appear all the more foolish.  It would be foolhardy to penalize a group based on the words of someone who had no authority to represent that group.

  • Anonymous

    I read the first and last paragraph.

    You just seem to TeaBagger Death Cultish to waste time on!

  • Anonymous

    Sing it sister! Ole J the Hoffa couldn’t have said it better himself! To make a statement like that while not recognizing the fact that the left peddles in pussy fear mongering as well just says so much about you. I’ll just say it for you so you don’t have to tire your sausage sized fingers before your “work” at the docs tomorrow in WA…

    The right also lies in campaign ads and takes money from wall street. Yep, that holds volumes of sense and logic, just as long as we don’t mention that your side is not only the same, but worse for saying the opposite while filling their pockets FROM wall street.

  • Anonymous

    HAHA! Why you mad, bro?

  • Anonymous

    Please sit back and keep thinking that!

  • Khalid Shiek Yerbouti

    54% OF Americans support the OWS movement apparently some republicans haven’t gotten the message yet.

  • Anonymous

    Nice!

    A Creepy TeaBagger Death Cult member!!!!

  • Exgoper

    Hey, genius, here’s the poll question exactly as it was asked:

    IN THE PAST FEW DAYS, A GROUP OF PROTESTORS HAS BEEN GATHERING
    ON WALL STREET IN NEW YORK CITY AND SOME OTHER CITIES TO PROTEST
    POLICIES WHICH THEY SAY FAVOR THE RICH, THE GOVERNMENT’S BANK BAILOUT,
    AND THE INFLUENCE OF MONEY IN OUR POLITICAL SYSTEM. IS YOUR OPINION OF
    THESE PROTESTS VERY FAVORABLE, SOMEWHAT FAVORABLE, SOMEWHAT UNFAVORABLE,
    VERY UNFAVORABLE, OR DON’T YOU KNOW ENOUGH ABOUT THE PROTESTS TO HAVE
    AN OPINION?

    Gee, I wonder what other group of protesters gathering on Wall Street they could be referring to?

    Check and mate.

  • http://www.facebook.com/tony.westover Tony Westover

    Correct, checkmate for me against you. Thanks for doing my work for me :-)

    Nowhere in the question is Occupy Wall Street mentioned. Thank for doing the legwork and getting the proof.

  • http://www.facebook.com/tony.westover Tony Westover

    *LOL* Don’t flatter yourself. Nobody cares how much of a willful ignoramus you are.

  • Anonymous

    Man! Don’t be so down on yourself, bro!

  • Anonymous

    Ladies and gentlemen, one word… Beautiful. I know I know, my definition is clearly different from yours… But when paid angry schmucks like GrafX so clearly and wonderfully demonstrate that they are said schmucks, I just find it beautiful.

    Don’t address the point. Insult the poster. Point over there when the problem is over here. Put your head in the sand. Ignore the obvious.

    Rinse. Recycle. Repeat.

    Simply beautiful.

  • Anonymous

    Wonderful GrafX, am I like Rush and Bill-O too! Rush is fat right? I know, like all Republicans. And he stinks too, like all tea baggers…. HAHA, tea baggers, I mean come on, you can’t write this stuff.

    You’re awesome. I want to know you.

  • B9johnson

    The Unions are trying to join OWS. Not the other way around. OWS protestors are dissatisfied with Obama. Most also realize that FOX, CNN and MSNBC are “insiders” for the establishment and represent the corporate interests, not the consumer interest. The GOP and the Dems have failed this country, but they are only doing the bidding of the highest paying corporations.

  • B9johnson

    Right on! I’m a liberal, but I’d have to agree that Ron Paul is the only candidate that stood up for main street and the middle class. Herman Cain wants to raise taxes on 85% of the population! Hahaha! What happened to “taxed enough already”?

  • B9johnson

    The $700 billion dollars in TARP money to start. Or do conservatives now think TARP was a good idea?

  • Anonymous

    Favored view of 999 plan by this gent: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iPAKLufeil4

  • D L

    Apparently, you didn’t catch Ron Paul’s reaction to the OWS protesters…

  • Anonymous

    It’s too easy to get into your heads!

    HILARIOUS!

  • Anonymous

    Oh man! You got me!

    Now that I live in your head I’ll play some nice music!

  • Mr. Pennypacker

    I’m a Tea Party member and I joined the 99% movement because I was tired of the government and corporations causing this country to go down the drain. Both are responsible for the reason why we find ourselves in this terrible situation. I’m asking all my fellow Tea Party brothers and sisters to join the movement.  

  • Anonymous

    I think any logical person would be scared of this Urine soaked group! If these people are the face of the left wing party! Crapping on cars and singing “F*&K America” You can have them!

    http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=da1_1318884920

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Charles-T-Bowman/100000054801407 Charles T. Bowman

    doesn’t that mean that the only ones who can find jobs are the ones who could afford a higher education? Perpetuating the longest war in history , class warfare.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/John-Doeman/100002790890152 John Doeman

    RON PAUL, the ONLY honest candidate.

    YouTube “Ron Paul” and see why he is #1 in private donation and military donations.

  • shonangreg

    Search for “ALEC” if you want to see more of industry writing legislation in cahoots with our government. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Legislative_Exchange_Council

  • Anonymous

    dig the name
    do you tango?

  • Anonymous

    That has got to be your dumbest response to date

    Recently, a catastrophe happened in New Orleans and many people believe that the President did not respond in a timely manner.  Do you think the President acted too quickly, reasonably, or not quickly enough.

    DOH!
    Checkmate
    nowhere does it mention the words Hurricane Katrina .

  • Anonymous

    YAWN

  • Anonymous

    and less than 1 in 4 have a college degree

  • Anonymous

    ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

  • Anonymous

    shit for brains
    What year of college did you learn that one?

  • Anonymous

    WOW
    I missed class in College for Public Speaking and Debate class the day they used Shit for Brains

  • Bal

    what does that have to do with what Cain said? by the sounds of it you would not have the faintest clue about the type of people at OWS. All walks of life are there fighting a rigged and corrupt system that perpetuates that status quo and is designed to give the allusion that everyone can become the top 1%, that is not reality! They are fighting capitalism for that reason but you rightwingers are still celebrating the fall of communism that you can’t see how capitalism has been abused and is destroying America.

  • Khalid Shiek Yerbouti

    Yes, but no “Wango Tango,” Ted Nugents an idiot.
    As for the name I have new ones daily sometimes more than one…..like today, I am also Meaty al’ight. Though my original nom de guerre is Teddeman my favorite name was Mandingo ate your baby.

  • http://twitter.com/myronfalwell Nathan Obral

    Yeah. They’re in Cleveland, too.

    Funny thing is, Cleveland has nothing to protest over. KeyBank is based out of New York, Huntington out of Columbus, and PNC out of Pittsburgh.

    Oh, wait, we DO have the Federal Reserve. And we aren’t Detroit.

  • Anonymous

    Whatever!

    You’re so obviously a paid blogger!

  • Anonymous

    Some of the Protesters are there for a legit cause, but most are just the Scum of the Street or Paid by Unions to Protest.  Bunch of Looney Tunes, just like the old Democratic Party has turned into.  I was a Democrat until 2008, but I vote on accomplishments and the record of candidates, not BS and Lies like I heard from the Whore’s Son, Hussein.  Needless to say, I did not and will never support someone so AntiAmerican and AntiChristian as B. Hussein Obama.  America does not need such and Idiot and Failure sitting in the Oval Office!

  • Anonymous

    There is only one reason we are in this predicament: the government. The politicians are corrupt and that’s why they are for sale. Who’s willing to buy them doesn’t matter at all. Focus on the actual problem: most of the politicians on both sides of the aisle. Believe me, they are all much happier with OWS than they ever were with the Tea Party, politicians have been trying to focus our ire on Wall Street for years with bs arguments like: “If it weren’t for all those lobbyists and the money they’re throwing around, everything would be fine!” OWS is the wife that blames the sluts her husband keeps on cheating with because they are so easy. They’re not the ones who took a vow to be faithful. Wall Street is not required to be honest and above reproach. Politicians are.

  • Norbit

    Moreso that the OWS has hitched their wagon to the Tea Party juggernaut – except the OWS has no coherent message, or plan of action to effect real change.

  • Norbit

    They support the sentiment of the Tea Party movement, which the OWS hitched on to.

    Hey, Johnny-come-latelies are allowed to the party as well; better late than never!
    lmao!

  • Norbit

    Try keeping up with the news – he’s absolutely correct in his assertion.

  • Norbit

    Except this fool is an active, certified, PUBLIC TEACHER!
    What message do you think is getting through to her students?

  • Norbit

    LOL

    There’s the problem…your assumption of basic facts do not represent the reality of each situation.

    - 1000 (in two weeks) arrests vs. 6 arrests (in two YEARS)

    - Took over the Brooklyn Bridge vs. angry/loud at meetings

    - Race-baiting LIES by Black Caucus members to Smear Tea Partyer’s vs. angry/loud at meetings

    Also, with the violence, you left out the SEIU Beatdown of a BLACK TEA PARTY member, because he dared to leave the Democratic Plantation!

    Don’t black Americans know that they’re not allowed to think for themselves!
    They must first call their Democratic Overseers to tell them how and what to think?

  • Anonymous

    Respectfully, the two movement’s are mutually exclusive.  Unless you can articulate a reasoned conclusion as to how the two “movements,  ” can co-exist with similar goals, I am afraid I am mystified by your suggestion.

    Effectively, you are asking us to turn right and left at the same time!  A subsequent “head-on” collision?

    Purveyor

  • Anonymous

    NORBIT,  You hardly ever write, you don’t call and you never stop by?   LOL

    You twice, used the phrase “hitched to their wagon” regarding the “OWS” and the Tea Party.  Respectfully, I don’t see it, what am I missing in your connection of two groups?  Both are the antithesis of each other, yet you suggest one is now attached in some way to the other?

    You are usually unambiguous and/or straight forward, so I find that confusing also.  Meaning, is it so obvious that I need to think a little bit?

    Purveyor

  • Anonymous

    “Nom de guerre”?  Don’t you mean “nom de plume”?  Somehow you don’t strike me as a warrior, confrontational and verbose, yes.  But, definitely NOT a pugilist!

    The fact that you hide behind a variety of “pseudonyms,” only makes my point.  Such is the action of a coward, not a brave man.  I am “The Purveyor of Rhetoric,” I will always meet you head on, in the “marketplace of ideas.”  ”Let truth and falsehood grapple!”  Moreover, if need be and in context, I will always stand and fight, as one fleeting moment of personal cowardice would be more than I could bare.  I am impelled to partake in “feast of Crispian” 

    “We few, we few, we happy few

    we band of brothers”

    Purveyor

  • One pissed off liberal

    ROTFLMFAO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • One pissed off liberal

    Good Point….like when the GOP ran in fear last summer in Wisconsin.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/02/17/us-wisconsin-democrats-idUSTRE71G6W520110217

  • One pissed off liberal

    Way to ignore that last fact like you ignore everything else in your life.  Don’t worry, the productive members of society will continue to provide your drool cup free of charge.

  • Anonymous

    I’m tired of lazy people thinking they can live comfortably off the backs of other people. Rich. Poor. It doesn’t matter. If you’re living off of stolen money we have a problem. 

    Medicare, Social Security, all the other so called “social safety nets” are just an elaborate form of theft perpetrated on us by special interests paid out to people who want a piece of the pie that they’re not willing to work for.

     If you don’t work for education and you can’t afford it, too bad. You should have worked *harder*. You should have taken two jobs and overtime instead of playing around and wasting your time. Maybe right now you’d be living off the benefits of hard earned work instead of leeching off your neighbors. .

    You don’t “deserve” to be treated by a doctor. You don’t “deserve” a retirement. You don’t “deserve” a comfortable paycheck for not working. The world doesn’t owe you anything.

    This is life and yes it’s hard, but it doesn’t have to be hard if you’re willing to improve your situation. This is why God gave us reason, so that we could help improve our lot and live above the animals. Barring some unfortunate disease, you are perfectly capable of working. And those who aren’t have the option of family and charities.

    That’s the problem with liberals. Between Jefferson and Hamilton, the former’s model was and has always been the correct one.  The family is the most powerful force in society. Man, woman, child. That is the unit that made America great, not it’s politicians or it’s factories. It’s the traditional, simple Christian values that instill a sense of independence of thought, hard work, charity, and faith. A self governing life based around faith in Christ and the institutions passed down to us by God. 

    Faith in the inerrant word of the Bible has produced more prosperity, more justice, and more greatness than any other belief system that has ever existed. It is because they are in rebellion with God, because they have allowed Satan into their hearts that our country has crumbled beneath us. Satan was the original rebel. He thought that he could be the equal of his Creator. He didn’t want to be told what to do and like a petulant child he was punished for it. 

    It’s time to restore the firm paternal hand of that God to America. We need righteous leaders to remove the secular influences that are like cancers on our society. That means not rewarding idleness or encouraging  rebellion. It means holding the Commandments as sacrosanct laws of the land. Of penalizing immoral behaviors like adultery and homosexuality which spit in the face of God. Restoring religion to it’s proper role in government. 

  • One pissed off liberal

    Is that similar to the lobbyist who wrote the health care bill, and any green energy bill that goes into congress?

  • One pissed off liberal

    “Your simplistic absolutist argument shows your ignorance!”

    Says the fool that has had nothing but simplistic absolutist arguments on this entire thread.

  • One pissed off liberal

    Very true, the self made millionare who hired me and pays me a good salary to work for him, broke into my house last saturday and stole my new TV, and the blender I bought last Wednesday.   Thief! 

  • Exgoper

    It seems very clear:

    OWS is suspicious of government and the corporatist state.

    The TP is suspicious of government but maintains a naive faith in the corporatist state to solve our problems.

  • One pissed off liberal

    If your mad about TARP, there are two targets you should direct your anger at.  GWB is one, and the other is the entire Democratic Party, because it was renounced wholesale by conservatives.

  • Exgoper

    Sadly, You sound typical of the con mentality today. You need to have everything spelled out for you. Any complexity is just simply beyond your grasp. That’s why you’re all gaga for 999.

  • One pissed off liberal

    Are you telling me that Feminine studies, Urban Studies, or a Master’s in Theatre are not lucrative and highly sought degrees in today’s workforce?

  • Exgoper

    Nope. See below. He gets no points for trying to dodge the reality.

  • One pissed off liberal

    Keep yawning all the way to the uneployment line with the rest of your like-minded clowns.  Everything he said was correct.

  • Anonymous

    In the future, if you are incapable of answering or addressing my questions, then don’t attempt to do such!  (Note: “clear” and “EXGOPER” are an example of an oxymoron.  I’ll leave it to the reasoned participants in Mediaite to consider a proper replacement, for the word “clear.”)

    Secondly, if, as you say, the Tea Party has a “naive” faith in the “corporate state,” perhaps, you could have included a coincidental adjective to precede the Wall Street Protesters too?  There is a virtual cornucopia, a myriad of options to describe the psycho-social motivations of the “OWS.”

    Purveyor

  • Anonymous

    Drop the name calling. Americans have been scammed by the free trade policies of the early nineties. Imposing a tariff on imports will level the playing field. The ” Gigantic Sucking Sound” Ross Perot warned us about was our jobs. Big money is loyal only to its money. We have a responsibility to each other. Does that make us Socialists or human beings?

  • Anonymous

    I agree, hating does’nt serve anyone. There are plenty of facts to stand on like the Free trade consequences. Big money sold us out guys. The GOP and the Dems took the hush money and now pretend to be innocent.

  • Anonymous

    Thanks for giving me a place in your mind!

    It’s so easy to ‘own’ you actual fools with a few sentences!

  • Tat

    You don’t blame wall street for any of this?

  • http://www.facebook.com/tony.westover Tony Westover

    I blame Wall Street as much as I blame the people who lied on their applications to get mortgages they knew they couldn’t afford.

    As far as our economy goes, of course I blame the government more than the private sector. The government is constraining the private sector with onerous regulations and stealing hundreds of billions of dollars of wealth and destroying it with “stimulus” that never has and never will work.

  • http://www.facebook.com/tony.westover Tony Westover

    Exgoper, it’s not my fault that you can’t handle that I’m right. Your delusions are amusing to me, but that’s because I take pleasure in other people’s pathetic actions, yours being case in point.

  • Anonymous

    I loved nugent in high school
    Nugent is an ass
    even if you don’t agree with someones politics, you DO NOT say the stuff he has
    Dont remember much of the sheik yerbouti album other than the tango

    my favorites were yellow snow and $itties and beer

  • Grayce

    So, did you just say that when we die, our estate should return to “the people” so that the next generation can work and prove themselves? Did you just say that people should work and not live as predators of the wealth earned by someone else? Did you just say the CEO of my company “deserves” nine million dollars for one year’s work?
    If you did, you missed the Sermon on the Mount. You were absent when they read “turn the other cheek.” You have dismissed the idea of “whatsoever you do to the least of my brethren.”

  • Grayce

    They are like a self-organizing collection of individuals who have not yet jelled. Remember “Forming, storming before norming?” Let them figure it out. They do not need a charismatic radio talk show host to think for them. They are instinctively agitated, and probably out of work.

  • Anonymous

    I would never advocate returning anything to “the people”, least of all private property. That’s what we call socialism. As to the other points, yes and yes. A thousand times. Everybody, no matter what the status of their birth, their circumstances, or their abilities should work to make their way in the world. We can’t all live a comfortable life off of one another forever.

    The Bible says Man shall not live on bread alone, but on every word which comes from the mouth of God. We cannot sustain ourselves off a purely material existence forever without running into trouble. When secularists say greed they mean something very different from what Christians mean. What a Christian means is to hold material things to such a high status that you ignore the word of God. It is starvation of the soul and it dehumanizes us. But the Christian worldview is not mutually exclusive with the ownership of material things. In fact, God allows everyone who works hard to enjoy the blessings of their wealth and to use that to enrich themselves, as well as others if they so choose. 

    A socialist does not want to work for the wealth that he desires. He does not merely aspire to obtain the prosperity of his neighbor, he is covetous of it. Because the socialist drowns himself in idleness, he does the only thing he knows how to do, convince others (the government) to steal for him from his fellow countrymen. When you take a share of your neighbor’s good fortunes, no matter how tiny it seems or how insignificant the amount, you have committed theft. This is why socialism cannot work. It is a system built off of jealousy, laziness, theft, and gluttonous cushioning of our lives with an ever expanding array of “things” but containing no substance. 

    That’s why your CEO deserve his nine million per year. He has worked toward that prosperity. The company is his possession. He sustains and leads it forward. It is a privilege to work for someone who has accomplished something because he is not hoarding his wealth, but allowing it to trickle down into the hands of the people he employs so that they might have a chance to live well and maybe one day be a wealth creator themselves. 

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