Chrissy’s just crying because Boehner came out and gave the President a good ole fashioned Smack Down…  Had Obama not come off so badly, had he not looked so sorely beaten, Chris would be talking about his legs and thrills or tingles or whatever it is that Obama usually does for him…

Chrissy’s just crying because Boehner came out and gave the President a good ole fashioned Smack Down…  Had Obama not come off so badly, had he not looked so sorely beaten, Chris would be talking about his legs and thrills or tingles or whatever it is that Obama usually does for him…

Nobody should’ve voted for this idiot either.

we had a child and a man tonight speak to the American people; unfortunately, it was the child who is actually sitting in the oval.

This too will backfire; the public is a heck of a lot smarter than the idiot/child in chief.  This was all about him, whenthe world is interested in the country, hehimself is interested in only himself.

pathetic little man.

we had a child and a man tonight speak to the American people; unfortunately, it was the child who is actually sitting in the oval.

This too will backfire; the public is a heck of a lot smarter than the idiot/child in chief.  This was all about him, whenthe world is interested in the country, hehimself is interested in only himself.

pathetic little man.

Obama is irrelevant. He just wants his party/fundraiser/tribute next week . He wants his 2 weeks on Martha’s Vineyard  that we pay one million dollars for . He’s arrogant and lazy . This little man needs to fade away .

What he really means is that his love throb Barack Obama should not have looked so foolish on TV with his lame class warfare, scare tactics and lies.
His speech was awful and Matthews knows it.

logic(President) vs ignorance(Majority Leader) Majority Leader lied; the bull that was passed was not bipartisian; only 5 Dems voted for it.

If you want get technical, Obama had a much better delivery.  No doubt both gave “political” speeches, but I cringed several times at John’s delivery, and I happen to like the guy.  John came off more “pathetic” than the president tonight and that disappointed me.  I’ve been rooting for both guys throughout this bullspit.

I knew someone on the right would jump to this idiotic remark. 

“The Rasmussen Reports daily Presidential Tracking Poll for Monday shows
that 23% of the nation’s voters Strongly Approve of the way that Barack
Obama is performing his role as president. Forty-four percent (44%)
Strongly Disapprove, giving Obama a Presidential Approval Index rating
of -21″

Not looking good for Tingles!!

Uh oh, will Chrissy be suspended indefinitely for saying something bad about hehimself.  Just wait until tomorrow…I’m sure that Jay Carney is calling and complaining.

I didn’t watch all of either one, but when Obama blamed Bush, it no longer matters how his delivery was.  he shows the world he is a child…and good delivery or otherwise, style does not trump his childishness.

Interesting you Dems call it bipartisan when a single republican sides with the dems.

This speech has officially ended Obama’s presidency. This failure needs to just get out of the way. Bye Bye jerky boy.

Hate to break it to Chris Matthews, but they ARE on equal level, if you look at Boehner as the representive for the entire Congress.  All three of the branches of government are EQUAL.

The three branches of government: Judicial, Legislative and Executive.  Elementary school social studies, you’d think that the guy would know that.

What do you mean, “no doubt both gave “political” speeches”? Obama’s was purely political from the first sentence, and by the end of the second sentence I had to hit the MUTE button.

Boehner’s presentation was straight-forward, informative, and persuasive. Chris Matthews tried to defend the president but he really couldn’t; so he was stuck saying that it was a mistake for the president to give the speech in the first place. That was exactly true — at this point Obama loses support every time he appears on the TV screen. The Obama myth is much stronger than the Obama reality, and Obama is destroying his own myth.

At least, an MSNBC anchor can criticize the president when it is a member of their party in the White House. America would have been better served if one of the Republican anchors at Fox News would have called out Bush over WMD’s or the exploding deficit that resulted in our present problems. But, the impact of the wars and the economic downturn only started to matter in 2009 when Bush left office.

At least, an MSNBC anchor can criticize the president when it is a member of their party in the White House. America would have been better served if one of the Republican anchors at Fox News would have called out Bush over WMD’s or the exploding deficit that resulted in our present problems. But, the impact of the wars and the economic downturn only started to matter in 2009 when Bush left office.

No plan Obama.

In all fairness Obama had plenty of time to practice.  John had to go off of what Obama said (lied about) in hi speech.  He did pretty good on live tv with very little prep time.

In all fairness Obama had plenty of time to practice.  John had to go off of what Obama said (lied about) in hi speech.  He did pretty good on live tv with very little prep time.

You think? Hum mmmm

Unfortunately, the problems you mention stopped mattering to Democrats when Obama took office. I’m sure that when Obama’s term(s) is over he, Clinton and Bush will go on missions together and laugh at the stupidity of the american voter.

Wouldn’t that mean that Harry Reid should have had TV time too?

Since most of the nation wasn’t paying attention anyway, you may as well let insomniacs TiVo them and watch all three after they watch real TV.

Ah yes, it’s Bush’s fault!  LOL

Grow up

Ah yes, it’s Bush’s fault!  LOL

Grow up

I only watch to see what character he is playing, Abe,FDR,John Kennady,Any Dictator or my favorite Ronald Reagan. This man could not even come close to Ronald Reagan he loved this country even with its Flaws.

I tweeted during the President’s portion that it may have been the first time the phrase “Republicans in Congress” had been uttered in a nationally-televised, East Room address. Of course, I could be wrong and perhaps Clinton said something similar or Reagan, the reverse, but it was initially somewhat startling and the networks may not be so keen to give future time.

Though, when the feeds switched to Boehner and he was given opportunity to explain his position, my reaction to the whole thing changed.

Yes, Chris is right and the Speaker was given a level playing field, but it seemed to underline the fact that Washington is ideologically entrenched and may need a push from people. Of course, I’m not sure what good it will do because every member will count their own calls and interpret the meaning, but tonight, the President and Speaker admitted they’re at an impasse, so they decided to punt.

It’s certainly something new and I’m not yet sure, but I could like it.

“I didn’t watch all of either one”

That’s all I need to know.

I disagree with the President’s politics a lot, but the man is far from a child. Such comparisons by conservatives only serve to legitimize the racist myth.  Win with better ideas, not childish insults. 

Ronald Reagan loved this country? How about the fact that before Ronald Reagan and trickle down the United States was the worlds largest lendor nation AND the worlds largest exporter of manufactured goods. After Ronald Reagan we became the worlds largest debtor nation AND the worlds largest importer of manufactured goods.
Reagan was a puppet. No more. No less.

If you hit the mute button so early then you really can’t comment comparatively on the two speeches now can you.

John’s speech was prepared as well, dude.  I could read his eyes reading it.

Here’s a link to B.O’Reilly grilling Rumsfeld over Iraq war.http://www.businessinsider.com/bill-oreilly-donald-rumsfeld-iraq-video-2011-3

This was a chance for him to bring the country together with an inspiring speech, instead he whined about Bush and threatened the public getting all wee wee up in the process… He makes Carter look good

Oh goodness, woe is me – I want to say I call a spade a spade, but I’m afraid if I say that, in allreference to his childishness, then I’ll probaby be called a racist.

Matters not, the speech was all about Obama’s reelection – good orbad delivery, it is how it will be perceived tomorrow tha tmatters, and it isn’t gonig to be pretty.

He is only worried about himself, and that is extremely childish.

Obama’s trying to get the license plate number of the truck that just hit him.

Watching the jug-eared jagoff’s speech…a phrase I hadn’t heard for years popped into my mind

…whiny little titty baby

Barack Obama surrounded by 100,000 cheering fans, with balloons and confetti, can be pretty awesome.

Barack Obama standing alone at a lectern, reading from a teleprompter, is not a very impressive figure. He is not the world-historical character that some of his more fanatical advocates make him out to be. 

he acted like a petulant child tonight.  Simple – he hurt himself some more.  Self inflicted wounds are rather ridiculous don’t you think?

That’s awesome!

I know ‘Whose Ass is Getting Kicked’ here: Brick Obamo’s. Someone from the Donkey side famously said that he wanted to ‘Cut Obama’s Nuts Off.’ Looks like they’ve been off for a long time. People are just laughing at Cartoon Obamo now; no one takes him seriously, especially with a Pink-Poodle sidekick like Timmy Geithner alongside for the ride to nowhere’s ville.

Actually, mrbody, I didn’t listen to Obama either..why?..Because I can’t stand that arrogant, “listen to me I know everything and all of you are just stupid” look on his face!…This is how I handle it…I read everything he has just said…keeps my blood pressure down!

To what party do those 5 DEMOCRATS belong? IDIOT. If there is ONE member of the opposing party supporting something it is by NATURE bi-partisan which means BOTH parties are represented! How freakin’ STUPID are you? The Democrats have been relying on RINO’S like McCain and Graham Crackers and before that ARLEN SPECTOR for years, in order to call something Bi-partisan! Where is the law that says it has to be 6 or 7 or 8, exactly what would do it for YOU? Never mind, don’t answer, I give a fart in a hurricane worth of a damn what YOU think.  Here are the FACTS. 5 members of the opposing party make this issue BI PARTISAN asswipe. For instance when you hear talk of the BI PARTISAN DEBT COMMITTEE are you stupid enough to think that there are 437 members on this committee? http://www.pbs.org/newshour/updates/business/jan-june10/debt_04-27.html
This committee of 10 DEMOCRATS and 8 REPUBLICANS ( hardly seems fair does it?) has been hailed for their….wait for it dummy….oh yeah, BI-PARTISAN EFFORTS. Moron, here is the title of the Article…
Your Guide to the Debt CommissionThe bipartisan debt commission meets for the first time Tuesday. Here, a guide to the U.S. debt problem, the commission’s members, and what solutions might be proposed.

A CHILD WITH NO PLAN BY THE WAY. A child who prefers to have others do the heavy lifting so his punk ass can make a speech.

what the HECK are you rambling on about?

want a tissue?

want a tissue?

You really are a nobody.  And a liar. SUURRE you like Boehner, my ASS you do. Boehner OWNED Obama’s punk ass. He make it known that Obama is a f-ing LIAR who just told America he offered a deal and he lied . He CHANGED THE TERMS AFTER THE REPUBLICANS AGREED TO IT . He is lying liberal scum and he showed it tonight and Boehner called him on it at every turn. Well, DONE speaker Boehner!

I am so SICK AND TIRED or reading remarks about Fox News…Am I the only one who thinks it is amazing that ABC, NBC, MSNBC, and the like can be as one sided as they want and NO ONE says a work????…The popularity of FOX NEWS and their giant share of the media market is just probably driving the leftists in the country NUTS!

Because otherwise CRISSY HOTPANTS would be IMPALING himself on a DILDO OF APPROBATION, and panting about how “Presidential” Obozo looked!

What I would TiVo is Harry Reid watching Obama’s speech with Bill Clinton and commenting about his lack of Negro dialect and coffee fetching skills. Somebody really needs to start up Capitol Hill Candid Camera.

meant to say…”says a WORD”…typo

This was not exactly a “political address.” Obama addressed an existential risk being faced by the nation, in full recognition that the other party would dribble all over its shoes in reply.

It was both a notification and a negotiating ploy — the objective of which, let’s not forget, is to avoid catastophic collapse of the nation’s credit as a result an irresponsible majority party in the House.

This was not exactly a “political address.” Obama addressed an existential risk being faced by the nation, in full recognition that the other party would dribble all over its shoes in reply.

It was both a notification and a negotiating ploy — the objective of which, let’s not forget, is to avoid catastophic collapse of the nation’s credit as a result an irresponsible majority party in the House.

Thank decades of Democrat congress, they have the only authority to spend.

Thank decades of Democrat congress, they have the only authority to spend.

Since Democrats believe that we spent too much money during the Bush administration (Yep…Obama thinks so too) then I’m sure that every Democrat will agree to go back to pre Bush administration spending levels. Hey…we could actually LOWER the debt limit.

How ’bout it?  Sound good?  Great!  Now call your representatives and tell them to force Obama to compromise and to agree to 9 Trillion dollars in spending cuts.  Problem solved!

Judging by the first few comments this site maybe too far to the right for anyone not planning on bombing some buildings in Norway.

I also like, that of all the commentaries given on MSNBC and the other cable news outlets THIS was the one this site decided to highlight.  FoxNews gave Obama a better review than Matthews but now the feelings of someone on the MSNBC about the President are now tangible.  Why again does this site try and portray itself anything more than a video hosting site for the insane right winged blogs?

Also, John Boehner is not capable of giving anyone a political beat down, the man barely cares that he’s Speaker of the House, he rather be golfing and hanging with his tobacco buddies than banging any gavels.

It is nuts we have a USSR/Nazi Party style of 24/7 propaganda television in America, I agree

Jobs jobs jobs are the only thiing holding us back from fixing the debt. The more jobs the more revenue to pay off the debt. Employers will only start hiring if there is a demand and profitability margin. Tax the employer and profits go down. Jobs are absolutely a byproduct of profits. Raise taxes kill jobs. When a business loses profits by taxation they also recoup their losses by raising prices. So the consumer loses all the way around. Basic economics Mr. Obumma.

JERK

Uhhhh..The object was to save his ass and win an election in 2012…

SO…WHY DON’T YOU GO TO A SITE THAT PORTRAYS ITSELF AS ANYTHING MORE THAN A VIDEO HOSTING SITE FOR THE INSANE LEFT WINGED BLOGS?…YOU MIGHT BE HAPPIER AMONG YOUR OWN KIND DON’T YOU THINK?/

LOL I was actually worried that Boehner would go easy on him but damn did he lay the smack down.

It drives them nutz when anyone disagrees with them. That’s how they roll. Free speech applies only to them.

It drives them nutz when anyone disagrees with them. That’s how they roll. Free speech applies only to them.

It drives them nutz when anyone disagrees with them. That’s how they roll. Free speech applies only to them.

When you’ve lost Tingles….well….

When you’ve lost Tingles….well….

When you’ve lost Tingles….well….

The post and the clip.

 Chris Matthews argued that he considered using primetime television space for a political debate a bit of an error, and after going into detail on how the aesthetics of Speaker John Boehner’s speech were off, lamented that President Obama had gone on TV to give that sort of speech.

You and Tina both lose with the general election crowd.  Rationalize it all you want, you still lose.  It doesn’t really matter here, but the general psychology of conservatives like yourselves will matter negatively in the general election.  As much as liberal criticism of Bush reeked of vapid populism, Hitler comparisons still don’t negatively resonate as effectively calling a black liberal president a “boy.”  Its like your double agents, or something.  In either case, don’t complain about the liberal push back to your criminal political inexperience.  Its either that, or they can legitimately play the card against you.  So, which is it?

Is the tingle gone?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhs3Rj71gpo

“FoxNews gave Obama a better review than Matthews but now the feelings of someone on MSNBC about the President are now tangible.”

Fox News lies and isn’t news, remember, loon? How many ways do you want it, 6?

At least, as you say, you read what he says instead of relying on left or right prop outlets to tell you what he says.  That’s all, I think, Tom or John would ask of you.

I didn’t say FoxNews gave him a favorable or truthful review, did I, stupid?

I’m like Jane Goodall, I like observing less evolved versions of man

Well, I am a nobody, but I have no reason to lie, and I have absolutely no knowledge of your ass.

I like John, and I’ll tell you why, youngin.’  I like John because he had the balls to go after Newt when that guy would’ve sacrificed everything to keep his ass in the headlines.  I like John because he’s not a fraud like Nancy was.  John’s job right now is actually tougher than the President’s.  You could probably tell by each of their tones in the speeches tonight.  Obama is a better politician than John, but John is still a good guy.  

I was actually thinking of something a little different…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4fk2prKnYnI&ob=av3e

Just another campaign speech. Same ol’ same ol’, bozo blo’ ho’.

The BIG question here is: Was Barry wearing eye shadow and eyeliner? Sure looked like it to me. I can see powedering the shine off your face before going on camera, but please, eye shadow, blue eyeshadow???

And Boehner looked staight into the camera. Matthews’ view is skewed.

I hope that it’ll be an”oh shit, the political system really is broken” moment for the country

Careful there Jerry…they get really nasty when you force them to take a glimpse of reality.

I like your choice much better!

A true assessment would echo Marshall Mcluhan’s statement:  ”All media exist to invest our lives with artificial perception and arbitrary values.”

Obama is simply better than Boehner on every score card…..well except golf.  Boehner sounded like your typical country club republican – intoxicated with booze and self-importance, fact challenged, and downright disrespectful and impudent.   He has double downed on a losing hand and his misguided and blind allegiance to the tea party is going to haunt him and his republican cronies for a long time!!!

Obama left his game on the golf course. I would hate to see how this plays out the next time they play a round.

Just winging it because my thoughts on the matter aren’t fully formulated, but the concept of taking the fight to the people reminds me somewhat of Mike Gravel’s ’88 campaign, which in addition to his opposition to the wars was built around his National Initiative and the concept of direct democracy.

Of course the President and the Speaker going before the people seeking leverage on an issue they’ll have no choice but to settle is one thing and I’m by no means endorsing the National Initiative platform, but asking us to voice our opinion or stand in their corner could be a step down the road toward empowering the citizenry and a more representative democracy.

Unfortunately, the reality is that nothing was really served by this evening’s exercise. Call as you might, once the websites and switchboards regain function, each Congressional representative are going to measure their own calls and provide their own interpretation of the results, all while their respective party whips try to keep them in line.

But, it’s something. something that wouldn’t have worked, if there hadn’t been equal time.

Even a broken clock is right twice a day.

You’re right. Obama doesn’t care at all about the credit of the US being destroyed, because he thinks that, by collaborating with Boehner in doing so, he’s going to be reelected.

I’d say that was the stupidest thing I’ve ever read, but I visit Mediaite often enough to survey wingnut idiocy, and you don’t even make the Top 10.

You’re right. Obama doesn’t care at all about the credit of the US being destroyed, because he thinks that, by collaborating with Boehner in doing so, he’s going to be reelected.

I’d say that was the stupidest thing I’ve ever read, but I visit Mediaite often enough to survey wingnut idiocy, and you don’t even make the Top 10.

There’s a lot of talk about who got the best of whom but not much talk about who holds the hammer.  Obama has made a bad mistake by buying into one of Alinsky’s primary rules.  I’m paraphrasing but it goes something like this “power is not just the power you actually have, but also the power your opponent thinks you have.”

In this Obama miscalculated.  It has become clear that Obama’s primary purpose in this whole issue was not the debt ceiling, nor was it the possibility of default.  What he was trying, as is still trying to do is to split the Republican party and to diminish the power of the Tea Party representatives by shoehorning a tax increase into the mix, forcing the Republicans to go back on their pledge to their constituents not to raise taxes.  There really isn’t much more to it than that. 

If you just forget about the class warfare ‘tax increase on the rich’ it’s an easy problem to solve.  Everyone knows that even if you confiscated every penny that all the rich people had it wouldn’t make a dent in the debt, so it’s never been an economic issue it’s always been political and aimed at the 2012 elections.

What he failed to take into account was that John Boehner and the rest of the Republican representatives were familiar with that part of the Constitution that gives the House of Representatives the sole power of taxation and there isn’t one damn thing that the president can do about it as long as the House just tells him no dice.  It was a political power play from the beginning and it is obvious now that it has failed.  Obama did not look like a president tonight.  However John Boehner did look like a guy who knew not only what cards he was holding and but also what cards Obama was holding and he made it clear that he had no intention of folding a straight flush to a pair of deuces. 

eh,  non news issue.. chris and lawrence played good cop bad cop .. 

president reached out to america to lay it down to them clearly what is going on with this debt ceiling and left it to them to tell their congress what they want and how the vote should go.  i see no issue with that and i hope the voters crashed all of congresses websites.

Obooboo  gave his typical canned speech: Class Warfare, Blame GW Bush, Scare Seniors. All Obama’s writers do is cut paste the same old slogans from past speeches.

I did listen to Obama’s speech and it was the same old bullshit. The man-child does not have an original thought.

LOL.  You wrote “go nig”.  I think the same thing when I see Obama…just go, nig.

You may be right.  What’s your address?

You may be right.  What’s your address?

Uh, yes you did.  RIB is a lonely, little, viciously ugly dryed-up hag who can only get someone’s attention by being a complete dumbass.  In other words, a Democrat.

Yeah he can–he can rewad purple lips.

‘read’

Yeah–his 3rd leg…

There should be a statute of limitations on how long you can blame your predecessor.

I’m sure that John’s talking points were written and rehearsed, but the fact that he referenced parts of Obama’s speech makes it highly unlikely that the entire thing was pre-written.  Thus, limited time to “rehearse”.   Dude

You actually believe that?  I don’t care who you are………….. that’s funny.  

After as bad of a president Obama is thats the closest thing to criticizing him that Tingles does and THATS you shinning example?

Wars that the democrat’s voted for I might add.   

The Obama lies are getting old.

NICE TRY

 The  union organizer is desperate  now , and failing badly .

“President Obama’s decision to give a speech tonight was proof that things have not gone well for him. He threw (another) tantrum in the Friday news conference, he turned down a bipartisan deal presented to him Sunday and thereby took himself out of the limelight. Tonight’s speech was not intended to “solve” the impasse but to make sure Obama would get credit if a deal is struck and avoid blame if it is not.The speech itself was part panic attack, part platitudes and a whole lot of class warfare (corporate jets! hedge fund managers!). He stood awkwardly at the East Room podium, minus any press corps. He began with a ponderous recap of the budget train wreck, and then described his grand bargain (light on the details, because, of course, he never put a concrete plan out there). He ridiculed the Republican plan, saying it didn’t ask for sacrifices from the rich. But wait, Majority Leader Sen. Harry Reid (D-Nev.) doesn’t have taxes in his plan. In fact, his whole plan was an indictment of Reid’s no-tax plan. Apparently, he assumed no one was keeping up with current developments.”http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/right-turn/post/two-speeches-two-visions/2011/03/29/gIQAdtsgZI_blog.html 

We have just witnessed another abysmal performance by the President of the United States.

We must not be a laughing stock of the world.

Thank God we only have to put up with his childish performances for another 469 days until we vote him out of office.
 

We have just witnessed another abysmal performance by the President of the United States.

We must not be a laughing stock of the world.

Thank God we only have to put up with his childish performances for another 469 days until we vote him out of office.
 

Bob Beckel gave Obama’s speech an A+ on Hannity. Those who still drink the Kool-aid, and I think Matthews continues to take nips from the cup, are looking like fools.

We still have not paid for the Bush tax cuts, and all the supposed jobs due over the past ten years as a result of those tax cuts, did not materialize. But the wealthier are much wealthier, to be sure.

The nation is in financial crisis, with the world economy holding its breath that the US will not default on its debt obligations, and the President of the United States giving a speech about that is “political”? Matthews has indeed been drinkin’ the coolaide.

Pay no attention to what Obama says. Always watch what he does. He has flipped on this deal several times now.

That really is funny, just another leftie chimp sitting around trying to act smart, maybe you believe it….so far you have said nothing to impress just like your messiah Obama!

It was vintage Barry; Blame Bush, stir class warfare, blame the rich and demand more taxes. Hey Barry, did ya read Senator Reid’s plan? It doesn’t call for tax increases- is he an unpatriotic person , too?

I’m sure all the Environmentalists like your speech, Barry- it was all recycled junk!

Fact: Obama’s speech was just for show. Republicans and Democrats have ironed out most conflicts and had a budget to sign before Obama stopped it in its tracks so he could get back on TV one more time so that when both parties again throw him a bone he claims that it was him leading the toss!

Fact: Beckel smart guy got McGovern whipped when he ran!

All Obama has to do is make sure Geithner pays the debt service, which we have plenty of money to do.

The debt ceiling is a sideshow. What’s going to destroy our credit is the debt, not the debt ceiling and Obama is doing absolutely nothing to avert that looming crisis. We need serious deficit reduction, not another credit card. We’re going to be downgraded, and soon, if we don’t get spending under control.

Fact: President of NO! dNOpig!

Sure, whatever.

Where did you come up with this nonsense?

Gone Rouge?  More like hanging with the sheep.

Ah yes a true leftist because they still believe in the Global warming hoax and the original “Man evolved from a lower life” form hoax.  I suggest you look at the FACT that the globe has been cooling for 12 (yes twelve) years and that the oceans rise has been happening since the “mini ice age” which took place between 1500 and 1850 approx. That is why the ocean rise is slowing because we are reaching the natural temperature cycle peak.

As far as the silly evolutionary theory proposed and accepted as “fact” by idiots.  The latest mitochondrial DNA studies show that we all can be traced bak to a single man and single woman ancestor somewhere in the recent past (less than a hundred thousand years).

The only way to empower citizens is to reduce the size of government.  

Take a peek at Brzezinski’s assessment of Boehner’s speech last night. 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036789/ns/msnbc_tv-morning_joe/#43892942

Take a peek at Brzezinski’s assessment of Boehner’s speech last night.   You might find it interesting.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036789/ns/msnbc_tv-morning_joe/#43892942

Checkout Brzezinski’s assessment of Boehner’s speech last night. 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036789/ns/msnbc_tv-morning_joe/#43892942

Brzezinski’s assessment of Boehner’s speech last night on Morning Joe might be of interest to you. 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036789/ns/msnbc_tv-morning_joe/#43892942

You might enjoy watching Brzezinski’s assessment of Boehner’s speech last night on Morning Joe. 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036789/ns/msnbc_tv-morning_joe/#43892942

Brzezinski’s assessment of Boehner’s speech last night on Morning Joe called Boehner out.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/3036789/ns/msnbc_tv-morning_joe/#43892942

As I listen to Chris Mathews last evening, I agree that the speech was political, but it was not political in the same way as Boehner’s speech. The President was not speaking to the pundits.  They know what
has been going on with the debt ceiling debacle.   The President’s address was taking a step toward preparing the American people in case he has to use the 14th Amend.  He was speaking to the average citizen to let us know what is going on.  He was soliciting our support, and we responded with the crashing of the Congressional websites.  He wanted the Tea Party to know that he has the support of the American people. He is laying the groundwork for decisive action. There is no need for him to come on too strong,
too soon.

While the only truthful statement, the Speaker made was his name.  He did himself a disservice.  He used old can talking points that the pundits knew weren’t not true, even if the general public did not. Matthews
briefly mentioned the false one liners sound bites, but I wished he would have elaborated on it more.

As I listen to Chris Mathews last evening, I agree that the speech was political, but it was not political in the same way as Boehner’s speech. The President was not speaking to the pundits.  They know what
has been going on with the debt ceiling debacle.   The President’s address was taking a step toward preparing the American people in case he has to use the 14th Amend.  He was speaking to the average citizen to let us know what is going on.  He was soliciting our support, and we responded with the crashing of the Congressional websites.  He wanted the Tea Party to know that he has the support of the American people. He is laying the groundwork for decisive action. There is no need for him to come on too strong,
too soon.

While the only truthful statement, the Speaker made was his name.  He did himself a disservice.  He used old can talking points that the pundits knew weren’t not true, even if the general public did not. Matthews
briefly mentioned the false one liners sound bites, but I wished he would have elaborated on it more.

When you say “the racist myth”, in regard to [non-African-American] Republicans’ and conservatives discussions of Obama, Mrbody, the absolute total emphasis should of course be on the word “MYTH” ! ! !

In comparison to the kinds of adjectives ”professional left” Democrats always did [and very much still do !] routinely use about former President George W. Bush, any occasion from said leftist Democrats, regarding GWB, to the effect that they thought him “childish”, could only be looked at as “the absolute HIGHEST form of genuine compliment !” these clods could ever possibly PAY to George W. Bush, relatively speaking, in light of the kind of truly vile invective these leftist Democrats usually felt [and still of course very commonly feel] entirely free and entitled to quite casually, and in great profusion, toss off in the direction of President GWB, apparently to a great extent “simply for sport”, as it were.

And would you say the kind of vile personal insults, casually heaped upon Bush by leftist Democrats, should  in any way be entertained as possible cases of “racism”, on the basis of the fact that GWB was and is “caucasian” ? 

If not, WHY would you even DISCUSS, as if was something WORTHY of discussion, the absolutely entirely REASONABLE and in fact, when one actually in any way seriously thinks about it, truly entirely RESPECTFUL and completely legitimate form of criticism, of President Obama, that he frequnetly displays the personal characteristic of “childishness”, as many people, including quite a few Democrats, quite sincerely, objectively, and in no way fundamentally “disrespectfully” consider that he does ?

In other words, what I’m saying to you, Mrbody, is that YOU’RE only serving to perpetuate “the racist MYTH” about Republicans and conservatives, by initiating and entertaining, as any kind of legitimate discussion, that Republicans or conservatives who honestly [at least frequently] see President Obama as being “childish”, and feel entirely free [as they most certainly should !] to say as much, should somehow be concerned that this might in any way legitimately open them up to charges of being “racist”.

Should YOU in any way be concerned.about “legitimately opening yourself up to charges of being ‘racist’ “, for YOUR just having indicated you think Republican / conservatives are “childish” for considering President Obama someone who frequently displays the personal characteristic of childishness ? !

So certainly in YOUR most hypocritical case, Mrbody, I definitely think you should take your most patronizing, condescending, and simply entirely flat out illogically idiotic suggestion, that Republicans / conservatives should “Win with better ideas, not childish insults” and quite resolutely “stick it where the proverbial sun don’t shine”.

“Sorry” [though of course "not really"] if you might consider that what I just said to you was “highly disrespectful”.

I very much IN NO WAY think that was “highly disrespectful”, or disrespectful at all, because in your particular case, I most definitely feel you richly earned every bit of that… and then some !

Its the content that should matter, not the delivery.  Far too many people paying far too much attention to the relatively meaningless aspects such as delivery, rather than content or for elections, qualities such as character and integrity, is how this country has gotten into this mess.  People ought to know better than to treat elections, especially for top office, as popularity contests – it’s character, integrity, demonstrably long held American values and pride in America, and good old rational thinking ability that matter.  Not how much of a star one seems to be, or how handsome, or how great an orator with a teleprompter.

When Zbig said he was “surprised” that there was not more social tension and social conflict, he sounded disappointed… as if he would be pleased if the American people were rioting like the Greeks.

When the man acts petulant, whiny, projects his own flaws on his opponents, and otherwise acts childish, he’ll be quite justifiably called childish.  Anyone behaving that way would be, regardless of whether they’re black, white, yellow, or blue with polka dots.  Trying to pull race into it is pretty silly – for the majority of people race has nothing to do with it, it’s simply an accurate description of his behavior on many occasions now.

reply to mrbody:  So you are saying that a black adult can’t ever behave in a childish fashion?  Or that anyone who points out such behavior is automatically racist, because in calling them childish their words have magically morphed into the dreaded “boy?”  Or are you saying that some people’s perceptions are so warped that if a white person acts childishly and is labeled as such it’s fine and dandy, but if the exact same occurs with a black person, it’s a condescendingly demeaning vile racist act of calling them a “boy?”

Childish behavior is childish behavior, no matter the color of ones skin.  The racists are those who decide what was meant based only on what color the childish’s person’s skin happens to be.    

Not so much pleased, but perplexed—because with the level of unemployment and the disparity in wealth, the absence of social upheaval goes against the historical narrative.  This absence maybe attributed to what I call the social pacifiers– cable television, internet, netflix, and air-conditioning.

How did he reference Obama’s speech?  Boehner’s speech was in the prompter before Obama finished his.

Actually, Tina, the truly SAD thing is that, even though I feel virtually entirely certain your mentioning that your having used the phrase “calling a spade a spade”, in the context of any discussion about President Obama, most likely would’ve immediately gotten you labeled “racist !” by legions of professional left race-baiting “racialists”, was offered up, for purposes of all your readers’ entirely legitimate amusement, in a majorly tongue-in-cheek manner [Good one !, dear : ) ]…

But the truly most incredibly SAD thing, wouldn’t you agree, Tina ?, is that so many professional left race-baiting racialists are so truly OFF the charts, with their pathetically frenetic attempts to somehow pin the label of “racist !” on not in the SLIGHTEST way “racist” Republicans and conservatives, that you actually WOULD [at least if we were on HuffingtonPost, an MSNBC forum, etc.] receive all sorts of actually SERIOUS * charges that you really WERE being “clearly racist”, for ever choosing to use the common and entirely innocuous, in no way ordinarily have anything whatsoever to do with race “calling a spade a spade” expression.

[* Or at least "pretend serious", for those intent on somehow trying to make "some kind of political hay" out of all this kind of absolute nonsense.]

It’s all just so simply AMAZING !, isn’t it ?, Tina : )

Meanwhile, as a truly ANNOYING “complicating factor”, to all this nonsense, I now feel quite reluctanly and angrily impelled to have to weigh in, here [because there's no reply box under his idiotic comment, and I don't know how one can try to get comments removed from this site, and don't have the time to figure how to try to go about that]… 

But allow me to voice my absolute DISGUST with the moronic “go nig” [what he no doubt considered to have been] “great witticism” reply from “absolutely no actual functioning legitimate human sense of humor discernible whatsoever” John, in his reply to you, Tina. [You know, John : "Tina fromTampa", who totally unlike yourself, here, actually HAS a perfectly legitimate sense of humor, and a very good one !, for mentioning, in an appropriately light-hearted way, that if she went ahead and entirely innocently used the common "calling a spade a spade" expression, in a conversation about President Obama, she most likely would've been accused of being "racist", by legions of race-baiting racialist leftists, which, entirely sadly enough, she quite likely would have !] 

But getting back to the point, GROW UP !, John, you absolute TOTAL CLOD !

With all of us 99 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ percent of [non-African-American] Republicans and conservatives out here, who simply DON’T HAVE A “RACIST” BONE IN OUR BODIES, even though “professional left”, totally shameless libloon morons are virtually CONSTANTLY looking for the most far-fetched occasions to somehow manage to get away with accusing us of being “racist”, when we’re in fact nothing other than  entirely upstanding, “thoroughly fairminded, many of us Herman Cain for President supporting, couldn’t care less what color Obama is we just think he’s a cr*ppy President quite comparably to the way we thought non-African-American Jimmy Carter was a cr*ppy President” Republicans and conservatives…

But THANKS A L:OT !, John, you totally thoughtless CLOD, for now saddling the rest of us decent, thoughtful, not in the slightest way “racist” 99 ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ percent of [non-African-American] Republicans and conservatives, who now most reluctantly end up feeling compelled, ‘under total protest !” to have to answer for [in the sense of totally disassociating ourselves from] rare and stray moronically cretinously clueless clods like yourself, who apparently simply DON’T KNOW ENOUGH to know it’s simply NEVER in the slightest way humanly appropriate, or in the slightest way acceptable iamong even just the most MINIMALLY decent human beings, to say something like “I think the same thing when I see Obama… just go, nig.”, even within the just patheticaly WARPED notion, in a 100 percent clueless clod like yourself, that what you’re saying is being “said in jest”.

In light of the long and sad racial history of this country, most notably the absolute abomination of SLAVERY that was somehow tolerated in this country for the better part of a century, it’s simply NEVER in the slightest way tolerable for ANYONE to use the word “nig”, even in someone’s utterly warped notion of “humor”, when speaking about an African-American President of the U.S., or about ANY black person, very much INCLUDING when black people are talking about themselves, etc..

So why not just GROW UP ? !, one of the days, John, and figure out that all appropriate human decency requires someone like you to PERMANENTLY retire [from the most probably "quite limited" vocabulary of someone such as yourself] worrds like “niger”, “nig”, etc. [as well as "kike" when referring to Jewish people, etc.], except when such words might be used seriously, in the context of a historical, or academic discussion, or a “moral discussion” about why it’s entirely unacceptable for any even minimally decent and respectful people to use these words of traditional vile, often murderous  bigotry when talking about blacks, Jews, etc..

So again, just GROW UP !, why don’t you ?, John, and also again, THANKS A LOT for doing your d*mnedest to try to pollute all the rest of us entirely decent Republicans and conservatives, who don’t much like President Obama as President at all, for reasons of course having NOTHING WHATSOEVER to do with the color of his skin !, and STILL will end up having to be saddled with the taint of iisolated [juvenile to the point of being infantile] bigoted idiots like you !   

Put the Christian Science magazine down, for  one it’s a contradiction

The vast majority of scientist agree global warming is real, fact.  The ones that don’t tend to be GOP in nature or bought off, fact.

I won’t even touch the evolution remark, if you don’t believe evolution you simply do not believe in comprehensive thought and are nothing more than a Christian robot unworthy of explaining the beautify and absolute truth of evolution.  Funny how we keep on finding links between us and our primate ancestors huh?  God must have put those there to just confuse some folks

Just so everyone will know : ), the “John” I was referring to, in my [quite lengthy] reply post to the really wonderful Tinafrom Tamap, which reply of mine can be found right below here, was most certainly NOT House Speaker John Boehner ! : )

Instead the John I was referring to, and addressing, was the guy named John who posted the absolutely reprehensible, cretinously moronic reply to Tina, posted right below my lengthy reply post to Tina, where this John was so utterly and pathetically clueless as to actually use the expression “go nig”, in a post referring to President Obama, who is an American President who I also, like very many here, have precious little “good” to say about, but certainly also of course on absolutely no kind of simply pathetic”racial” basis… Thank God !

Apparently and presumably this person John, though, who I decided to address in my lengthy reply post, thought his using the expression “go nig”, in referring to President Obama, was somehow “funny”.

Does it REALLY have to “take all kinds, to make a world” ? !

A copy of President Obama’s speech was released to the press some time before he delivered the speech. So Speaker Boehner had the text at least 20 or 30 minutes before he went on the air. 

Boehner almost certainly didn’t need to change a word from what had been prepared before. There was nothing new in the president’s speech — didn’t he say the same thing in USA Today a week ago?

Hey, I was there also. Reagan built up our military after Carter had stripped it naked. The dems with their majority in congress spent &spent &spent&spent on every damn thing. Reagan begged for a line item veto ,so he could cancel some of the many expenses driving up the deficit. The dems told him to “eat it ” as they continued to create the “Reagan deficit. Sorry but you can’t rewrite history yet as too many of us witnesses are still alive.

Hey, I was there also. Reagan built up our military after Carter had stripped it naked. The dems with their majority in congress spent &spent &spent&spent on every damn thing. Reagan begged for a line item veto ,so he could cancel some of the many expenses driving up the deficit. The dems told him to “eat it ” as they continued to create the “Reagan deficit. Sorry but you can’t rewrite history yet as too many of us witnesses are still alive.

I’m not sure Mark is exactly right about the dating of mitochondrial DNA — I quickly found two sources for the common female ancestor, one 140,000-290,000 years ago and the other 171,000 years ago.

But he was on the right track and you must not have read carefully or you would not have criticized him for something he did not say.

As for whether the vast majority of scientists agree about something or not, ”In questions of science, the authority of a thousand is not worth the humble reasoning of a single individual”. Galileo in 1632. (http://scienceworld.wolfram.com/biography/Galileo.html)

Why do they keep on finding links between man and ape?  (convenient part you skipped over, of course)

I read everything perfectly and responded perfectly, you have nothing.  It’s one thing to question science and quite another to question science because it doesn’t match up with your book of fairy tales.  Lets see the track record of who has been more right between religion and science.

Let’s see….

Getting cancer
Science:  Chemo, radiation
Religion:  Pray

The world being round
Science: Duh, yes
Religion: NO http://openmindedatheist.blogspot.com/2008/04/where-does-bible-say-world-is-flat.html

Reason for earthquakes
Science:  Tectonic plates shifting and bumping into each other
Religion:  God farting

I think I know what side I’m on

He’s been in office for 2 1/2 years and still blaming predecessors.  We (well not me) put him in there to solve the problems that we already knew about it.  We don’t need to keep re-hashing it.  Just solves the problems, that’s why you’re there.

He’s been in office for 2 1/2 years and still blaming predecessors.  He was put in there to solve the problems that we already knew about it.  We don’t need to keep re-hashing it.  Just solve the problems, that’s why you’re there.

My attitude is, let’s just toss him next year and move on.  Please not another 4 years of this amateur. 

Neither Mark nor I mentioned religion. You brought it up.

Fine, you’re the first secular creationist.  Congrats, you’re a walk contradiction 

Neither one of us mentioned creationism either. Go back and read what was said — you imagined something that was not there.

I know exactly what I said and how you responded, you didn’t explicitly say creationism but one has to assume when someone openly criticizes  the ways of evolution and it’s vast beauty and complexity without any qualifiers it’s the sure sign of creationist scum

Of course now you’re playing dumb…. “Christian… what is a Christian?  Creationism?  Whoever heard of such a thing!”  Now tell me, what is your position on the matter.

Neither one of us mentioned creationism or criticized the theory of evolution. Mark said something about mitochondrial DNA pointing to the common female ancestor living about 100,000 years ago. I did a little fact-checking and suggested that it was probably closer to 200,000 years ago. 

You jumped to a totally unwarranted conclusion, and now you are too proud to admit a mistake. 

My position? My position is that I’m an atheist and have been at least since I was 12 years old. And I’ve never believed in creationism. I do not know how you can have drawn such a false conclusion without any evidence.

Please get hooked on phonics

Please go have sex with yourself. And enjoy.

The speech BO read was a joke. I saw it. I read it. Playing the race card in BO’s defense is false, pathetic and reveals you have no defense for his monumental ineptitude. Dr. King’s dream wasn’t what got BO elected. King dreamed a man would be judged on the content of his character – not the hue of his skin. BO’s character is a nightmare, in a man of any color. Grow the crap up, you “useful idiots”!
(Meanwhile, Boehner’s reply was Masterful. I’ve never seen him more bold and “spot-on” with the facts.)

Bruce! Pull the stick out of your ass. It can cause long-term scarring.

By which I mean, don’t use 500 words to say something that’s only worth 5 (or less). Your whole post boils down to “leftists shouldn’t bash Bush.”

Carpet-bombing with acres of piffliceous bafflegab just makes you look like a dork.

That would be very scary, if true. However, all non-crazy rightist economists and all leftist experts with a spine will tell you that the debt issues — in the middle of an economy literally dying for lack of stimulus — are effectively irrelevant. What’s needed is recovery, i.e., job growth, and every element of the Republicans’ plan will kill, kill, kill jobs.

And they know it, which means they’re not just foolish, but downright evil.

If Keynesian expansion had created jobs, then Keynesian contraction could destroy them. But our experience over the last three years matches the experience of 1930-39 — when Hoover and Roosevelt policies prolonged the recession and did not help the recovery.

In reply to Bruce H.  — 99++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ percent of republicans are not racist? What reality are YOU talking about. Check this site giving examples of republican racism. NOW tell me that 99++++++++++++percent of repuglicans are not racist.

Again, the lap-dog lackey figurehead of the elites, corporate USA, etc. mentioned “the middle class” with no mention of the “working-poor.”

Many rewards await the politician lap-dog scum vermin that obey their masters.

Look at past presidents and other high-ranking politicos.

You commoners actually believe the politicos represent you???!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Believe that and show your brainwashed buffoonery.

Even the family of past politicos are rewarded.

One of GW Bush’s spawn was paid $20,000 bucks for ONE speech to a local brainwashed bunch of local elites.

Compare the USA upper-crust and their lackeys to YOUR life, your neighbors.

Perhaps you are one of the declining group that enforces our master’s will and acts as a buffer between the HUGE masses of scum commoners who are economically and socially suffering.

Or one of the many well-indoctrinated buffoons.

Love it or leave it!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Sigh.

The anger among the downtrodden is growing, though.

Will it erupt in civil and/or social turmoil?

@ Rationald Db8 I could be wrong, but I *think* what mrbody might be trying to convey is the fact that Obama’s ideas aren’t being attacked so much as Obama (the person) is.
So, if Obama says “we should raise taxes” and you say “raising taxes is a terrible idea”, then you’re attacking the idea… no harm, no foul. If, however, Obama says “we should raise taxes” and you say “you stink, stinky mcstinkface” or just call Obama a “boy” or a “child” or any other attack against the person (rather than the idea), then the perception is that his *ideas* aren’t what bother you… but the person *behind* the ideas. Since he is black, people default to “racism”. If he were white, it would be about “partisanship”. If she were female, it would be “sexism”. Any number of incorrect labels would be applied, but the sentiment wouldn’t be incorrect in that the game turned into name-calling rather than discussion about the issues, leaving the people out of it.

Reagan should have been a leader with a plan, instead of letting the inmates run the asylum.