At least if you can play the game.

It might be “inappropriate” but it’s totally predictable.

Now the issue is not necessarily with the Japan crisis, as the USA can’t be the world police or savior. However, we’ve got a decade long war, debt that basically can’t be repaid and the freakin deficit for the month of Feb. 2011 was bigger than the whole deficit for 2007. But hey, let’s go golfing.

If it wasn’t so disgusting it’d almost be funny.

Being the smartest man in the world (according to libs), you’d think Obama would understand that perception is reality. The perception is that he couldn’t give a flying flip about what’s happening in the world.

Liberal Tormentor said:
Being the smartest man in the world (according to libs), you’d think Obama would understand that perception is reality. The perception is that he couldn’t give a flying flip about what’s happening in the world.

Good point, I totally agree.
Personally I have no problems with a President taking some “down time” – they all deserve it. But when there’s so many things going wrong in our world today (Japan, middle east), I agree that it’s EXTREMELY inappropriate to have the President of the United States playing golf while all this is going on. Tacky.

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Has the prez released his Final Four picks yet?

if you criticized Bush for always being on vaca during his term then you must do the same to Obama. Filling out brackets is one thing (and takes about 15 minutes) but to be golfing with all the nonsense going on is a bit ridiculous.

Atticus Draco said:
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Has the prez released his Final Four picks yet?

yes, all chalk (#1 seeds)

Would have been a perfect time to go to church and have a photo op of him praying for the Japanese missing.

Umm, let’s not forget that the media skewered Bush so severely for EVERY round of golf he played; that he gave it up for the duration of his term because of the spin applied by the state run media outlets.

This is just one more thing Obama can hide from….and not make a decision about!

For Donald Trump to be covered as though he has serious political opinions/ambitions is inappropriate.

it’s amateurish since he could easily duck the media (as he has done) and spare the country the embarrassing photo ops

Perhaps we can continue to be the beacon of world power if only our President gets roasted on Comedy Central.

bigbrainbrad said:
yes, all chalk (#1 seeds)

That’s a strenuous day,, golfing,, and filling out brackets,
He is gonna need a vacation soon

screwauger said:
Umm, let’s not forget that the media skewered Bush so severely for EVERY round of golf he played; that he gave it up for the duration of his term because of the spin applied by the state run media outlets.

Lets not forget that Obama /= Bush, even if they hold the same office.

I have no difficulty believing that the president will be re-elected because of the utter dearth of viable Republican presidential candidates.

I have no difficulty foreseeing too, that in the aftermath of eight whole years the American public will be puzzled and asking itself who the heck was this man. What does he believe? Why does his presidency seem like a vapor, or perhaps a dream?

Cecelia said:
I have no difficulty believing that the president will be re-elected because of the utter dearth of viable Republican presidential candidates.

I have no difficulty foreseeing too, that in the aftermath of eight whole years the American public will be puzzled and asking itself who the heck was this man. What does he believe? Why does his presidency seem like a vapor, or perhaps a dream?

As opposed to leaving a legacy of failure and destruction, I’d take a vapor. Nice work pushing the secret underlying conservative narrative. “Who is he? What does he believe? Does he believe in Allah and Muhammad? Is he a Muslim? Hmmm…???”

well, if you need him, you know where you can find him. From last year…

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/7607947/Barack-Obama-plays-golf-eight-more-times-than-George-W-Bush.html

Penguin60 said:
well, if you need him, you know where you can find him. From last year…

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/7607947/Barack-Obama-plays-golf-eight-more-times-than-George-W-Bush.html

You think he’ll play that much in the year 2012, say right before Nov 2012?

Penguin60 said:
well, if you need him, you know where you can find him. From last year…

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/barackobama/7607947/Barack-Obama-plays-golf-eight-more-times-than-George-W-Bush.html

In England?

I say keep Obama on the golf course or Martha’s Vineyard or Hawaii; any place, but the Oval Office.  The less time he spends there the less damage he can do to our country.

Publius219 said:
As opposed to leaving a legacy of failure and destruction, I’d take a vapor. Nice work pushing the secret underlying conservative narrative. “Who is he? What does he believe? Does he believe in Allah and Muhammad? Is he a Muslim? Hmmm…???”

Nice work characterizing my comment as being the sole proprietorship of conservatives, when the president’s detachment and aloofness are commented upon by far more than his political critics.

Nice work too linking any confusion about the president’s waffling policy stances, with the absurd suggestion that he’s a Muslim.

I simply suggested that Pres. Obama seems too removed and that a total absence of any real Republican presence has enabled this in a way that will be to his determent.

It took YOU to turn that into partisan demonization.

“Nice work”.

I didn’t realize the issues that are going on in japan fell under the responsibilities of the President of the United States. So is Donald saying the entire world should stop what they are doing because of what happened in japan? I’m sorry I feel bad for the people of japan I really do, but that’s not our problem or responsibility. Just like its not our problem whats going on in bahrain and Libya. I didn’t see japan lining up to send us relief money after katrina why should we send money there.

To this weasel of a girly man can’t handle international affairs, and has zero input in domestic affairs. He’s a compete charlatan, and I know that you libs / progs can now recognize this. Congratulations, you were in awe at the first black man to be elected president, and he turned out to be nothing more than most of us knew he was from the beginning, a two bit rabble rouser from Chicago who has the ability to fool the foolish, and nothing more.

Publius219 said:
Lets not forget that Obama /= Bush, even if they hold the same office.

I know, at least Bush had a sense of honor.

More Liberty5 said:
It might be “inappropriate” but it’s totally predictable.

Now the issue is not necessarily with the Japan crisis, as the USA can’t be the world police or savior. However, we’ve got a decade long war, debt that basically can’t be repaid and the freakin deficit for the month of Feb. 2011 was bigger than the whole deficit for 2007. But hey, let’s go golfing.

If it wasn’t so disgusting it’d almost be funny.

Right but every President does it. I don’t think its un reasonable for a man to get away if not to simply clear his head and save his sanity. like i said Every president does it, Bush took many vacations during those wars.

jooce81 said:
Every president does it, Bush took many vacations during those wars.

Bush gave up golfing because it wasn’t presidential during wartime, and his most of his “many” vacations were to his ranch where he had a command and control apparatus in place.

jooce81 said:
I don’t think its un reasonable for a man to get away if not to simply clear his head and save his sanity.

Thanks for stating the obvious.

Liberal Tormentor said:
Being the smartest man in the world (according to libs), you’d think Obama would understand that perception is reality. The perception is that he couldn’t give a flying flip about what’s happening in the world.

ohwell said:
Good point, I totally agree.
Personally I have no problems with a President taking some “down time” – they all deserve it. But when there’s so many things going wrong in our world today (Japan, middle east), I agree that it’s EXTREMELY inappropriate to have the President of the United States playing golf while all this is going on. Tacky.

When would be a good time then? If it’s not Japan, it’s Egypt. If it’s not Egypt, it’s Iran. The point is that their is always going to be a million things going on in the President’s world. So for Obama, Bush, Clinton or whoever POTUS is to take some down time during a catastrophic event is okay. Most of us need a little time to ourselves anyway to be most effective when we work. Point is, their is always a national event of magnitude going on.

Also, for a guy who has the Celebrity Apprentice on that leads into local news, should he be the one we are hearing this from?

Don’t bug King Obama now . He’s gotta pack for Rio !

stephenpyle said:
Also, for a guy who has the Celebrity Apprentice on that leads into local news, should he be the one we are hearing this from?

Everything Donald Trump has and achieved he has achieved on his own merit unlike Obama who, without the slobbering liberal media, would still be just communist er.. community agitator er… organizer.

Safe to say that Obama is a far better bowler than President.

And he would do well to listen to the advise of a self-made man.

On the course , how long does it take for King Obama to decide which club to use ?

Does he appoint a committee to decide which way a putt breaks ?

Because I’m sure Donald Trump is really working 24-7….

What’s next, Donald? This is not a time to be sleeping!

Such silly criticism.

Ok, so now the president should just take a break somewhere indoors so the press can’t photograph him while he’s relaxing?

mibwilso said:

Ok, so now the president should just take a break somewhere indoors so the press can’t photograph him while he’s relaxing?

Or he could show how serious he considers the world situation by going on TV and picking his brackets for the Final Four. (And he wasn’t sticking his head out on this either, as he ends up picking all the #1 seeds.)

stephenpyle said:
When would be a good time then? If it’s not Japan, it’s Egypt. If it’s not Egypt, it’s Iran. The point is that their is always going to be a million things going on in the President’s world.

That’s right, and he should act presidential, and not like a community organizer who won at powerball.

You’re an apologist for this schmuck. Bush was ripped limb from limb in the media for his perceived aloofness during crisis, and not sure if you’ve noticed, but there are many crisis in the world right now, and it _all_ effects us here.

But yeah, that NCAA bracket is much more important than acting like a president.

Yukon Jack said:
Everything Donald Trump has and achieved he has achieved on his own merit unlike Obama who, without the slobbering liberal media, would still be just communist er.. community agitator er… organizer.

Safe to say that Obama is a far better bowler than President.

And he would do well to listen to the advise of a self-made man.

Donald Trump benefited significantly from his father’s already established business. Namely, the starting capital afforded to him, an extremely hefty inheritance and a sea of influential contacts.

Conversely, Obama grew up in a lower-middle class family and paid for college with help from his grandparents and student loans that he recently finished paying off. He didn’t have the ‘slobbering media’ when he went to Columbia and Harvard. That was only himself and his willingness to work extremely hard.

I’m not suggesting that Trump isn’t good at what he does. He is. But referring to Trump as more of a ‘self-made man’ than Obama is patently dishonest.

The Lantern of Truth said:
Don’t bug King Obama now . He’s gotta pack for Rio !

KING OBAMA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

its so funny that you think thats funny
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

Stephen Hogan said:
He didn’t have the ’slobbering media’ when he went to Columbia and Harvard. That was only himself and his willingness to work extremely hard.

Obama was pushed through Harvard with terrible marks and received his JD over the objections of most of the law school staff.

The Lantern of Truth said:
Don’t bug King Obama now . He’s gotta pack for Rio !

Ahem.

Publius219 said:
Lets not forget that Obama /= Bush, even if they hold the same office.

am i supposed to decipher that or just smile and nod

The Lantern of Truth said:
On the course , how long does it take for King Obama to decide which club to use ? Does he appoint a committee to decide which way a putt breaks ?

He ponders in advance, all by himself:

https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-DMQUQ0DUOdg/TX3DaFjzw8I/AAAAAAAABBY/pOY7B5uuAvI/s1600/smokie.jpg

The Lantern of Truth said:
On the course , how long does it take for King Obama to decide which club to use ?

Does he appoint a committee to decide which way a putt breaks ?

no but I suspect he uses his foot wedge more than most. He just seems the type

Mr.Papshmer said:
Obama was pushed through Harvard with terrible marks and received his JD over the objections of most of the law school staff.

Be that as it may (of which, can you support this claim of yours?), that still does not negate my point that it’s incorrect to refer to Trump as more of a ‘self-made man’ than Obama. Even if he had help getting through law school, he did not benefit from inheriting an already well-established business.

screwauger said:
no but I suspect he uses his foot wedge more than most. He just seems the type

Yes. Yes. Winter rules.

Stephen Hogan said:
He didn’t have the ’slobbering media’ when he went to Columbia and Harvard. That was only himself and his willingness to work extremely hard.

Like the Dayton, Ohio Police Dept – DOJ fiasco, Obama’s “success” is due to Affirmative Action rather than any “effort” on his part. He has “Diversity” and “Multiculturalism” to thank for even being admitted much less graduating from those liberal bastions of “learning”.

TobyTucker said:
Like the Dayton, Ohio Police Dept – DOJ fiasco, Obama’s “success” is due to Affirmative Action rather than any “effort” on his part. He has “Diversity” and “Multiculturalism” to thank for even being admitted much less graduating from those liberal bastions of “learning”.

Of course. He didn’t get into Columbia and Harvard Law through hard work. He was given preferential treatment because of his skin color!

And god forbid that a nation of immigrants, such as ours, celebrate our multiculturalism and our differences.

I like how you put ‘learning’ in quotes, as to imply sarcasm. It’s nice to see a multifaceted post, peppered with xenophobic and anti-intellectualist statements.

Maybe appearing on a crappy reality show and having a Comedy Central Roast of you isn’t exactly the most presidential thing to do during a disaster either… Shouldn’t The Donald be out in Japan helping clear the rubble?

Stephen Hogan said:
Of course. He didn’t get into Columbia and Harvard Law through hard work. He was given preferential treatment because of his skin color!

Do you ever wonder why we’ve never seen his college transcripts? You would think he would be eager to show the results of his “hard work”, but instead they remain under lock and key. Occam’s Razor strikes again!

TobyTucker said:
Obama’s “success” is due to Affirmative Action rather than any “effort” on his part.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiQlvnuAnXo

Observation: There seems to be a marked decrease in Libs defending Obowmao. Not just on this board nut on several left and right leaning sites. Must get very tiring.

mibwilso said:
Maybe appearing on a crappy reality show and having a Comedy Central Roast of you isn’t exactly the most presidential thing to do during a disaster either

Damn, what year is this….Trump is President? How long have I been sleeping?

TobyTucker said:
Do you ever wonder why we’ve never seen his college transcripts? You would think he would be eager to show the results of his “hard work”, but instead they remain under lock and key. Occam’s Razor strikes again!

You openly admit a lack of evidence and then claim that your conclusion is parsimonious? The explanation of affirmative action (which you’re reached without evidence) is far more complex than what we currently know with our current evidence, thus it does not follow Occam’s Razor. In fact, by making such an assumption without evidence, you are violating the principle of Occam’s Razor.

If you were to follow Occam’s Razor, your statement would have been more in line with this: ‘Obama attended Columbia and Harvard Law. He graduated from both, but we have not seen his academic records.’ We KNOW that he attended those schools. We KNOW that he graduated from them. We DO NOT know the motivations of his acceptance and have no evidence of what those motivations may be. We only have complex assumptions, which do not follow the principle of parsimony.

nutsofast said:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiQlvnuAnXo

Since you like that sort of thing, enjoy!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=APZ3-Lcbwmc

nutsofast said:
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DiQlvnuAnXo</blockquot
affirmative action and the GIANT UNIONS .

Former President Jimmy Carter noted, “He was my closest and most valuable adviser while I served as president. I respected him and attempted in every way to remain in his good graces. He was a giant among legislators, and was courageous in espousing controversial issues.”

Senator Jay Rockefeller, who had served with Byrd since 1985, said, “I looked up to him, I fought next to him, and I am deeply saddened that he is gone.”

Vice President Joe Biden called Byrd “a tough, compassionate, and outspoken leader and dedicated above all else to making life better for the people of the Mountain State.”

Senator Robert Byrd says “white n#ggers” on TV 3 / 4 / 2001

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FIBJt-c2o0

BowenIsland said:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FIBJt-c2o0

Racists , murderers , they truly are the ” big tent ” party .

Stephen Hogan said:
And god forbid that a nation of immigrants, such as ours, celebrate our multiculturalism and our differences.

I have nothing against immigrants. My grandparents were immigrants to this great country but they received no special treatment because of that fact. What I object to in Obama’s case is that he seems to have coasted through his college career, relying on his “Favored Minority” status to see him through. Many feel that AAs are “owed” something due to their poor treatment in the past, but Obama can’t even claim this heritage. Not only was he taking advantage of the system, he was doing it under false pretenses.

Multiculturalism and diversity are all fine and well, but when they are used to place some at the head of the line ahead of those more deserving in order to satisfy some elitist’s PC ideal of “fairness”, I think they have worn out their welcome.

The Don should try him in basketball. All kidding aside I do not beleve for one min.That Donald will run.I think he’s just running his month to get ratings for his TV show.

Stephen Hogan said:
We only have complex assumptions, which do not follow the principle of parsimony.

YOU may see “complex assumptions” in your parsimony tree, but you obfuscate the proposition. I assure you, the facts are simple and the conclusion is clear. You are letting your partisan mindset cloud your vision, obscuring the truth. Throw loose your shackles and go forth an honest man!

TobyTucker said:
What I object to in Obama’s case is that he seems to have coasted through his college career, relying on his “Favored Minority” status to see him through.

What evidence do you have of this? And if he ‘seems’ to have coasted through, that still does not mean that he did.

TobyTucker said:
Many feel that AAs are “owed” something due to their poor treatment in the past, but Obama can’t even claim this heritage.

Actually, they still aren’t treated well by our society. For example, they make up the majority of our drug possession arrests, even though it has been statistically shown that whites use drugs at a rate exponentially larger than any minority group. They also have a harder time getting jobs, and that’s with affirmative action.

And do you have evidence that Obama has tried to ‘claim this heritage’?

TobyTucker said:
Not only was he taking advantage of the system, he was doing it under false pretenses.

And yet, another assumption, based on another assumption. There is no evidence that he was trying to ‘steal’ the heritage of African Americans. And you said previously that his acceptance was based on affirmative action. If that much is true (which I’m not saying it is), how can he ‘take advantage’ of a system that clearly worked as intended?

The basis of affirmative action is not reparations. It’s to combat an implicit, systematic predilection to discriminate.

I think trumps gone bankrupt again, this time on the ideas front.

TobyTucker said:
YOU may see “complex assumptions” in your parsimony tree, but you obfuscate the proposition. I assure you, the facts are simple and the conclusion is clear. You are letting your partisan mindset cloud your vision, obscuring the truth. Throw loose your shackles and go forth an honest man!

The only fact here is that we haven’t seen his school records. Any conclusion you come up with in regards to his motive is an assumption and will remain an assumption until you have proof to support your claim. If anything, your conclusion amounts to a conspiratory assumption, which is far too complex to be considered in line with Occam’s Razor.

In response to your claim that I’m ‘partisan’, I’m not. I do not identify with the Democratic party. I am a liberal, but I am not a Democrat. In fact, I’ve been far more critical of Obama than I’ve been supportive. However, I will not tolerate people claiming an assumption as a proven fact, regardless of party or person.

Liberal Tormentor said:
Being the smartest man in the world (according to libs), you’d think Obama would understand that perception is reality. The perception is that he couldn’t give a flying flip about what’s happening in the world.

There is certainly a difference between perception and reality. Reality would show that if we look at the number of vacation days taken by a president in their first year we would find:

President Obama has spent all or part of 26 days “on vacation” during his first year as president, according to CBS News White House Correspondent Mark Knoller.

http://www.factcheck.org/2010/01/president-obamas-vacation-days/

And, from CBS: http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-6019535-503544.html?tag=contentMain%3bcontentBody

“Since taking office, President Obama has made 11 visits to Camp David, spanning all or part of 27 days. They’re mostly weekends and cannot fairly be counted as vacations.”

“His immediate predecessor was more inclined to take a break from the confines of the White House. Our CBS News tally shows President George W. Bush made 9 visits to his Texas ranch, spending all or part of 69 days there during his first year in office. Mr. Bush also made 25 visits to Camp David in 2001 totaling 78 days. And he spent a four-day weekend at his folks’ place in Kennebunkport, Maine that year.”

http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-6019535-503544.html?tag=contentMain%3bcontentBody

If we count weekend visit to Camp David, Obama was on “vacation” 52 days his first year, while Dubya was on “vacation” for 147 days in his first year.

That’s reality. Reality is Dubya was off almost half of 2001, a year where he created a huge deficit within three months of taking office and reading a book about goats while planes crashed into the Twin Towers. Obama took 66% less vacation time while trying to clean up the incredible mess made by his predecessor.

Now let’s look at perception:

In 2001, Conservatives said Dubya was the kind of president they’d like to have a beer with. They said he understood the demands of the job and was incredibly organized and focused, so he could go on his daily jog, be in bed by 10 p.m. and get his 8 hours of sleep. He could leave unimportant things like reading reports and being informed to his staff. He was the MBA president, running a lean and mean administration.

Oh well, at least your perceptions were half correct. His administration was mean.

In 2009, Conservatives attacked Obama for everything. When he tried to smooth out the controversy over the arrest of a black Harvard professor by suggesting all the parties meet at the White House over a beer, he was mocked constantly. When he played basketball, he was somehow unpresidential. He was even questioned over wearing flip flops on vacation in Hawaii.

So while Sean Insannity plays the “who’s going to answer the phone at 3 a.m.?” commercial ad nauseum in trying to attack Obama for his lack of action in the Middle East and Japan, no one ever even answered the phone between 2001-2008, because Dubya was just asleep at that time.

The only area where perception and reality seem to coincide with conservatives is your obvious hatred for Obama. It’s too bad all you trolls have substituted perception for reality, because no matter how much you hate the guy, you are sadly part of a minority of the voters in this country, so you will be stuck with the reality of Obama in the White House until 2017.

Don’t worry, with sufficient therapy and proper medication, you may eventually adapt to the real world:)

Stephen Hogan said:
The explanation of affirmative action (which you’re reached without evidence) is far more complex than what we currently know with our current evidence, thus it does not follow Occam’s Razor.

The easiest explanation is that Obama has something to hide. I’m guessing that he did well in school, and if I’m correct in that assumption, the next easiest explanation is that he rode the affirmative action bandwagon. Now, it would not be uncommon, and many minorities have done this, nothing to be ashamed of, and if I’m correct in that assumption, then there’s two reasons that I can think of that would make Obama be afraid to release his his college records. 1) He used islam as one of his affirmative action qualifiers, or (and unrelated to affirmative action, 2) He wrote some very radical and anti-American papers while in school. My personal belief is that it’s number two.

Mr.Papshmer said:
The easiest explanation is that Obama has something to hide. I’m guessing that he did well in school, and if I’m correct in that assumption, the next easiest explanation is that he rode the affirmative action bandwagon. Now, it would not be uncommon, and many minorities have done this, nothing to be ashamed of, and if I’m correct in that assumption, then there’s two reasons that I can think of that would make Obama be afraid to release his his college records. 1) He used islam as one of his affirmative action qualifiers, or (and unrelated to affirmative action, 2) He wrote some very radical and anti-American papers while in school. My personal belief is that it’s number two.

I bet it’s because he doesnt’ have a birthcertificate.

Stephen Hogan said:
The basis of affirmative action is not reparations. It’s to combat an implicit, systematic predilection to discriminate.

While I agree with you as to AAs getting a raw deal when it comes to the legal system and the drug laws as they are enforced today, showering favors on a select few is hardly the way to correct the situation.

Stephen Hogan said:
how can he ‘take advantage’ of a system that clearly worked as intended?

If the intent of the system was to compensate AAs for their time in slavery and their poor treatment afterwords, Obama absolutely IS taking advantage of said system. He has NO slave heritage and can hardly be said to have felt the effects of discrimination while growing up in Indonesia and Hawaii. He is taking an easy stroll on a trail broken by men of courage and integrity. Many have compared him to such leaders, but he is a pale imitation in comparison.

Mr.Papshmer said:
To this weasel of a girly man can’t handle international affairs, and has zero input in domestic affairs. He’s a compete charlatan, and I know that you libs / progs can now recognize this. Congratulations, you were in awe at the first black man to be elected president, and he turned out to be nothing more than most of us knew he was from the beginning, a two bit rabble rouser from Chicago who has the ability to fool the foolish, and nothing more.

Please get over this ‘you libs were in awe of Obama’ thing. I don’t know any libs who were ‘in awe.’ We had a choice between Obama and McCain. We picked one.

Donald Trump: For Obama To Be Playing Golf At This Time Is ‘Totally Inappropriate’

For 0bama to be president at a time like this is totally inappropriate. What else ya got Mr. Trump?

BushClintonCrimeFamily said:
We had a choice between Obama and McCain. We picked one.

Actually, you had a choice between Obama and Clinton. It’s not as though you’d vote for the Republican under any circumstances. You chose the novelty. Congrats. Change for the sake of change, right on, man.

At this time, Mr.Trump, it’s totally inappropriate for anyone like Obimbo to have his worthless, inept ass sitting in the White House. I have seen several presidents come and go but, I have never seen one with as much contempt for the citizens of this country that Obimbo exhibits. His campaign bloating about having the most open and bipartisan administration has proved to be a lie. His obsession with socialism (share the wealth) and, miserably weak foreign policy is severely weakening this country. His unbelievable waist of stimulus tax-money is beyond reprehensible. America has made a sever nose-dive under the direction of Obimbo extremist agenda, and to call this clown-president “inappropriate”, is a colossal understatement!

papschmear–AA won’t get you Editor of the Law Review.
There are too many silver spooners at Harvard Law to let that plum be handed out as a token reparation.

To the point, who the hell is Trump to advise about anything beyond bankruptcy and trophy wives?

BushClintonCrimeFamily said:
Please get over this ‘you libs were in awe of Obama’ thing. I don’t know any libs who were ‘in awe.’ We had a choice between Obama and McCain. We picked one.

OK, I admit it, it wasn’t much of a choice.

TobyTucker said:
If the intent of the system was to compensate AAs for their time in slavery and their poor treatment afterwords, Obama absolutely IS taking advantage of said system.

No, the intent of affirmative action was to compensate for implicit discrimination. It’s a way to mandate workforce equality. It has nothing to do with slavery. If it was intended as a means to ‘make up’ for slavery, then why does it apply to minorities outside of the african american community?

It has everything to do with Civil Rights.

Mr.Papshmer said:
Actually, you had a choice between Obama and Clinton. It’s not as though you’d vote for the Republican under any circumstances. You chose the novelty. Congrats. Change for the sake of change, right on, man.

and you morons picked john mccain, how’d that work out for ya? taking the Straight talk express all the way to a trainwreck.

Mr.Papshmer said:
The easiest explanation is that Obama has something to hide. I’m guessing that he did well in school, and if I’m correct in that assumption, the next easiest explanation is that he rode the affirmative action bandwagon. Now, it would not be uncommon, and many minorities have done this, nothing to be ashamed of, and if I’m correct in that assumption, then there’s two reasons that I can think of that would make Obama be afraid to release his his college records. 1) He used islam as one of his affirmative action qualifiers, or (and unrelated to affirmative action, 2) He wrote some very radical and anti-American papers while in school. My personal belief is that it’s number two.

I wouldn’t call that the ‘easiest explanation’. I’d call that a cynical explanation. But, then again, I disagree with you.

I appreciate that you are acknowledging that that explanation is your personal belief and dependent on assumptions, rather than facts. Just as my conclusion that he did nothing wrong is also based on assumptions.

Stephen Hogan said:
However, I will not tolerate people claiming an assumption as a proven fact, regardless of party or person

You have put forth a prodigious argument, but you have yet to offer an explanation as to WHY Obama’s college transcripts remain hidden from public examination. THAT is the question. The obvious answer, that he’s hiding something unwholesome, has yet to receive compelling repudiation. You’re welcome to try. Occam’s Razor still stands triumphant.

TobyTucker said:
You have put forth a prodigious argument, but you have yet to offer an explanation as to WHY Obama’s college transcripts remain hidden from public examination. THAT is the question. The obvious answer, that he’s hiding something unwholesome, has yet to receive compelling repudiation. You’re welcome to try. Occam’s Razor still stands triumphant.

My only question is were previous president’s college transcripts open to the public?

Nationman said:
My only question is were previous president’s college transcripts open to the public?

do you have an answer toby?

TobyTucker said:
You have put forth a prodigious argument, but you have yet to offer an explanation as to WHY Obama’s college transcripts remain hidden from public examination.

I’m not claiming to have an answer to that question, because I do not have one that is based on any evidence. I am only stating the simple fact that they are not public.

TobyTucker said:
The obvious answer, that he’s hiding something unwholesome, has yet to receive compelling repudiation.

The answer is not ‘obvious’ because there is no evidence to support your claim. Intuition is just that; intuition. It is not evidence and it certainly is not fact.

TobyTucker said:
You’re welcome to try.

I won’t try because I know any explanation I may give will only be an assumption and nothing more.

TobyTucker said:
You’re welcome to try. Occam’s Razor still stands triumphant.

I’d invite you to re-read what Occam’s Razor actually is, because you’re doing it wrong. In fact, you’re clearly violating it.

I am the first to criticize Obama for his policies. But his golfing is a non-issue. Trump is just grandstanding — which is pretty much the only thing he ever does, as far as I can see.

Stephen Hogan said:
I’d invite you to re-read what Occam’s Razor actually is, because you’re doing it wrong. In fact, you’re clearly violating it.

“Occam’s razor is more commonly described as ‘the simplest answer is most often correct’”

When someone is hiding something, the simplest answer is: that when the thing being hidden is revealed there will be a bad result for the person hiding it.

If this doesn’t fit the facts of this case, I don’t know what does.

http://www.experiment-resources.com/occams-razor.html

Nationman said:
My only question is were previous president’s college transcripts open to the public?

For some reason my comments with links to George W Bush’s college transcript don’t seem to want to post, so you’ll just have to google it to see the actual document. But yes, he did release his record from Yale.

TobyTucker said:
When someone is hiding something, the simplest answer is: that when the thing being hidden is revealed there will be a bad result for the person hiding it.

You’re beginning with the assumption that he is hiding something. You cannot start with an assumption and claim to be parsimonious.

You have to start with a fact. In this case, ‘Obama has not released his school records’. However, there is no evidence to support your assumption that he is hiding something. There is only your intuitive sense that he is, and that’s not evidence.

TobyTucker said:
“Occam’s razor is more commonly described as ‘the simplest answer is most often correct’”

When someone is hiding something, the simplest answer is: that when the thing being hidden is revealed there will be a bad result for the person hiding it.

If this doesn’t fit the facts of this case, I don’t know what does.

http://www.experiment-resources.com/occams-razor.html

I should say, you have the spirit of the concept right, but not its execution.

Consider the possibilities regarding Obama’s college transcripts:

His record shows he clearly didn’t deserve to graduate with a degree, much less with honors.
He was no more than an average student.
He scored a solid “B” in his classes.
He was clearly a superior student.

Applying Occam’s Razor, which case would prompt him to adamantly keep those records sealed?

Well, it’s obvious. He graduated with high honors and as hardly anyone graduates from Harvard with good grades, Obama clearly doesn’t want to be seen as rubbing it in!

TobyTucker said:
Consider the possibilities regarding Obama’s college transcripts:

His record shows he clearly didn’t deserve to graduate with a degree, much less with honors.
He was no more than an average student.
He scored a solid “B” in his classes.
He was clearly a superior student.

Applying Occam’s Razor, which case would prompt him to adamantly keep those records sealed?

Well, it’s obvious. He graduated with high honors and as hardly anyone graduates from Harvard with good grades, Obama clearly doesn’t want to be seen as rubbing it in!

Or, maybe, he’d just like that to remain private.

Still, though, you do not assume that the assumption you’ve taken via Occam’s Razor is the truth or fact, which is what you implied here:

TobyTucker said:
When someone is hiding something, the simplest answer is: that when the thing being hidden is revealed there will be a bad result for the person hiding it.

To quote the article you posted:

“The conspiracy line of reasoning contains too many suppositions: “If this happened, then this may have happened.” Too many ‘ifs’ is a sign that a statement needs ‘Occamizing’ and clarifying.”

Stephen Hogan said:
You have to start with a fact. In this case, ‘Obama has not released his school records’. However, there is no evidence to support your assumption that he is hiding something.

You keep trying to argue:

not releasing the records :: does not equal :: hiding the records

I’m sorry, that’s not going to fly, not in this universe. Clearly, if there wasn’t anything damaging in those records there wouldn’t be a reason NOT to release them. Seeing as the records are not being released, ipso facto, there IS something damaging in the records. Logic wins every time!

We really need a great businessman like Donald Trump in the WH.

Maybe he can bankrupt the country as quickly as he did his businesses.

Stephen Hogan said:
You’re beginning with the assumption that he is hiding something. You cannot start with an assumption and claim to be parsimonious.

Occam’s Razor, man. Bush made his records available for review when asked, as did Gore and Kerry. Since it’s claimed that Obama is some sort of academic whiz kid, it’s only natural to suspect that he’s hiding something.

Cecelia said:
Nice work characterizing my comment as being the sole proprietorship of conservatives, when the president’s detachment and aloofness are commented upon by far more than his political critics.

Nice work too linking any confusion about the president’s waffling policy stances, with the absurd suggestion that he’s a Muslim.

I simply suggested that Pres. Obama seems too removed and that a total absence of any real Republican presence has enabled this in a way that will be to his determent.

It took YOU to turn that into partisan demonization.

“Nice work”.

Yup. You’re right, I was wrong.

TobyTucker said:
His record shows he clearly didn’t deserve to graduate with a degree, much less with honors.
He was no more than an average student.
He scored a solid “B” in his classes.
He was clearly a superior student.

Applying Occam’s Razor, which case would prompt him to adamantly keep those records sealed?

My personal suspicion is that he authored radical and anti-American papers while in school.

TobyTucker said:
You keep trying to argue:

not releasing the records :: does not equal :: hiding the records

I’m sorry, that’s not going to fly, not in this universe. Clearly, if there wasn’t anything damaging in those records there wouldn’t be a reason NOT to release them. Seeing as the records are not being released, ipso facto, there IS something damaging in the records. Logic wins every time!

No, I am arguing that you are incorrectly using Occam’s Razor. And ‘not releasing the records’ does not equal ‘hiding the records’. You cannot state as fact that he is hiding the records unless you have evidence of intent.

TobyTucker said:
Logic wins every time!

That’s not logic. I’ll tell you why.

TobyTucker said:
Clearly, if there wasn’t anything damaging in those records there wouldn’t be a reason NOT to release them.

This is an assumption. There are many reasons why someone might want to keep something private, and not all have to do with ‘hiding’.

TobyTucker said:
Seeing as the records are not being released, ipso facto, there IS something damaging in the records.

This is also an assumption. Logic dictates that you must assume falsity unless you have evidence to prove your assumption to be true. You have no evidence of malfeasance outside of the fact that the records are not public, which is not evidence of malfeasance in itself. Therefore, your statement is not a logically true statement.

Mr.Papshmer said:
Occam’s Razor, man. Bush made his records available for review when asked, as did Gore and Kerry. Since it’s claimed that Obama is some sort of academic whiz kid, it’s only natural to suspect that he’s hiding something.

Yes, it may be natural to suspect, but that doesn’t make it true or logical. And as I stated earlier, you cannot begin with an assumption and claim to follow Occam’s Razor. If you start with a supposition, you already have too many.

Stephen Hogan said:
And as I stated earlier, you cannot begin with an assumption and claim to follow Occam’s Razor

The concept of Occam’s Razor depends on an assumption, that’s what it is, taking an unknown and making an assumption based on a likelihood.

I watched Trumps roast last night on CC. It was ok, Not the same without Greg Giraldo, Seth MacFarlane looked like a fetus that survived the abortion process.

Mr.Papshmer said:
The concept of Occam’s Razor depends on an assumption, that’s what it is, taking an unknown and making an assumption based on a likelihood.

Yes, it involves making an assumption, but it begins with a known fact. It is not parsimonious to base an assumption on an assumption. ‘If Obama is hiding his records then maybe this is why’ is conspiracy, not Occam’s Razor. There are one too many suppositions in this statement.

And ‘Obama is hiding his records’ is an assumption. It originates with this statement: ‘Obama is withholding his school records’, which is a fact. You then make the assumption that he is ‘hiding’ them. Extrapolating further than that is conspiracy.

This conversation about logic is really interesting, especially as it involves making all kinds of partisan assumptions based on something akin to religious ferver.

Occam’s Razor is a principle that generally recommends selecting the competing hypothesis that makes the fewest new assumptions, when the hypotheses are equal in other respects.

All of the possible reasons given above are based on assumptions, depending on one’s political bias.

For the birthers, the most obvious assumption is that Obama is hiding something by not releasing his records. The second assumption is that because he’s black and benefitted from affirmative action, so he couldn’t possibly have gotten good grades on his own, or become president of the Harvard Law Review without special treatment. The third assumption is that the lack of records is further proof that he is an illegal alien from Kenya or Indonesia because he spent four years living there as a child.

For people who don’t really care one way or another, there is one simple and obvious assumption: there are privacy laws which preclude getting those records.

The problem is that our conservative friends do not understand the nature of a hypothesis.

According to wikipedia, a hypothesis is a proposed explanation for an observable phenomenon. For a hypothesis to be put forward as a scientific hypothesis, the scientific method requires that one can test it. Scientists generally base scientific hypotheses on previous observations that cannot satisfactorily be explained with the available scientific theories.

According to the dictionary, a hypothesis is defined as:

1. a proposition, or set of propositions, set forth as an explanation for the occurrence of some specified group of phenomena, either asserted merely as a provisional conjecture to guide investigation (working hypothesis) or accepted as highly probable in the light of established facts.

2. a proposition assumed as a premise in an argument.

3. the antecedent of a conditional proposition.

4. a mere assumption or guess.

If there is no scientific basis, or a set of established facts, we cannot use the first definition of the word. All we are left with is “a mere assumption or guess.”

Therefore, we can infer logically that this entire argument is nothing more than a circle jerk led by a bunch of trolls who sound as if they also believe Obama is a Kenyan/Indonesian who has a different world view than a bunch of rednecks in the South or Indiana (proud home to the largest KKK membership in the country).

You see, Occam’s Razor can cut both ways.

Observable facts:

1) People are still ranting about birther conspiracies, even though Bill O’Reilly and Mike Huckabee both said on Fox that Obama is a citizen, and this is not an issue.

2) People criticize Obama for anything and everything, including wearing flip flops in Hawaii while on vacation.

3) People criticize Obama for things that have no basis in reality, such as the myth that he is destroying business at the same time corporations registered all time high profits this year.

4) People criticize Obama even when he uses ideas suggested by Republicans. Republicans will change their positions on the issues, if Obama happens to agree with them. For example, the Republican health proposal from the 90s is basically what Obama was trying to push, and the sponsoring senators suddenly decided that their ideas were bad because “they had thought about it sufficiently” (but long enough to write a huge piece of legislation, go through debate in committee and bring it to the Senate floor).

Based on all these observable facts, one can ask why are conservatives so completely irrational in their hatred of Obama?

The most obvious assumption is that Obama is a Democrat and Republicans want to get back control of the White House.

Next.

The problem is dem or rep. GROW A BRAIN OF YOUR OWN AND USE IT. who cares about a party to cast yourself as either shows your a follower and completely incapable of doing anything right. He would be great as a president he has had great success and downfall which is needed how do you know how to overcome something bad if its never happen before obama is a joke and was elected by inner city with a agenda and pot head college kids who voted soley on him being black and wanting to be apart of something different those are facts. Take away the 18-24 age group who buys iphones because there iphones and he will not be re-elected. obama is complete trash and dooming us. People claim he has helped how people view us across the world, wth does other countries opinions matter as far as OUR JOBS AND OUR ECONOMY IT DOESNT. Haiti what a joke you retard hippies, tell me this you wanna keep loving everyone and helping others what will you do when our country collapses and we have nothing then what will you do? People claim its so great to help other countries in need wake the %^&$ up we need to help ourselves. A start would be to tax corporations who outsource 50% of their incomes you want change and jobs back thats how you get it.

BruinAlum77 said:
For the birthers, the most obvious assumption is that Obama is hiding something by not releasing his records.

Christ, what a bunch of self-indulgent bullshit. You’re the one that brought up “birthers”, dumb ass. We were talking about college records, and if Obama’s always been the smartest kid in the class, why not make them accessible? You’re not fooling anyone though, the last several candidates had no problem making theirs accessible, and you know as well as anyone that there’s something embarrassing there.

Mr.Papshmer said:
That’s right, and he should act presidential, and not like a community organizer who won at powerball.

You’re an apologist for this schmuck. Bush was ripped limb from limb in the media for his perceived aloofness during crisis, and not sure if you’ve noticed, but there are many crisis in the world right now, and it _all_ effects us here.

I did notice. That was the point of what I said. That was actually the lead off sentence.

I’m not an apologist, I just stated the fact that there are always going to be “crisis in the world right now, and it_all_effects us here,” so if that’s your reason for someone not being able to fill out a bracket like the rest of the country, then I disagree. If he wasn’t already pulling 12 hour work days everyday and dealing with Mubarak, Gadhafi for the past two months, I might consider your argument. I’d extend the same likes to Bush, who you seem to think I criticized four years ago. Maybe you wouldn’t be so angry if you didn’t find nitty things to pick at.

It occurred to me that if Donald Trump were president, the Federal government would probably run at a profit.

Excuse me?!? “…if Trump were President, the Federal Government would probably run at a profit”???

X, are you aware how many of Trump’s businesses have gone bankrupt? Are you aware that one of his most recent ventures, “Trump Entertainment Resorts”, filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy in 2009? That he tried to avoid paying his debts during the banking crisis because HE judged that the banking crisis was an “Act of God”?

Please do not assume his economic judgment based on his production of a self-promoting “reality show”.

Incidentally, have you noticed that the last few years of the show have focused on celebrity guests and not on potential new employees of his companies? Could it be because his business ventures keep going under?

X-3 said:
It occurred to me that if Donald Trump were president, the Federal government would probably run at a profit.

or go bankrupt like his investments.

Mr.Papshmer said:
Christ, what a bunch of self-indulgent bullshit. You’re the one that brought up “birthers”, dumb ass. We were talking about college records, and if Obama’s always been the smartest kid in the class, why not make them accessible? You’re not fooling anyone though, the last several candidates had no problem making theirs accessible, and you know as well as anyone that there’s something embarrassing there.

Well done, sir. You truly show your intellectual capacities by remaining silent on every point I brought up exposing the non fact-based reality of conservative trolls like yourself, and the hypocritical rants of all the right wing talking heads.

So, you think that people questioning Obama’s college transcripts are not connected with this pattern of attacking the president’s legitimacy on all fronts, which is the basis of the birther conspiracy lunatics? This could be a difficult question to resolve.

Well, perhaps we should start with some earlier posts on this thread. Hmmm… here’s an interesting one written by an especially challenged poster:

“…there’s two reasons that I can think of that would make Obama be afraid to release his his college records. 1) He used islam as one of his affirmative action qualifiers, or (and unrelated to affirmative action, 2) He wrote some very radical and anti-American papers while in school. My personal belief is that it’s number two.”

This was followed by the comment:
“I bet it’s because he doesnt’ have a birthcertificate.”

Followed later on, of course, by the totally logical and fact based ASSumption:

“My personal suspicion is that he authored radical and anti-American papers while in school.”

Now, if I’m not mistaken a huge part of the insanity suffered by 51% of Republican voters is that they believe Obama is a Muslim.

And why do they believe he is a Muslim?

Because he was educated in an Indonesian madras, silly!

And why is this important?

Because it proves Obama was raised in Kenya/Indonesia (take your pick based on the Fox pundit spreading these lies) which makes him anti-American. Golly gee willikers, could this have something to do with the birthers? Hmmmm…

Well done, sir. You have proven once again to be one of the stupidest posters on this, or any message board. But fear not; you make up for your lack of intelligence with a massive dose of arrogance.

X-3-“The Donald” is a joke with lots of money who has shown weakness in his business sense. Any possibility of him as POTUS is an illusion of his arrogance. He has become an entertainer and is as someone previously pointed out only seeking to improve his ratings. If he were to run he wouldn’t get past the primaries. If he were to somehow miraculously get past the primaries and run against the standing President he would lose. If Trump is the best the GOP can offer we are in serious trouble. In fact if Romney, Huckabee, Palin, Bachman, are what we are offered BHO will get re-elected.

BruinAlum77- Kudos on your last two posts showing the partisan inaccuracies of the conservatives talking points we have seen on these posts. Here’s a challenge for you, can you do the same for the liberal side because I believe there is extremism on both sides these days.

Rockycomet said:
BruinAlum77- Kudos on your last two posts showing the partisan inaccuracies of the conservatives talking points we have seen on these posts. Here’s a challenge for you, can you do the same for the liberal side because I believe there is extremism on both sides these days.

You do it. Do some work. Check them out. Don’t believe anyone. Find out for yourself. Then you will KNOW. It’s worth the effort.
You’re right. Both sides exaggerate, and lie. You need to find out who is doing it, and when.
Not to worry, it will only take the rest of your life.

Nationman said:
or go bankrupt like his investments.

Sidebar said:
X, are you aware how many of Trump’s businesses have gone bankrupt?

Rockycomet said:
Any possibility of him as POTUS is an illusion of his arrogance.

Maybe all of you are correct, but please consider this:

http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_much_is_donald_trump_worth

Making money–at least to me–has always been a lot like baseball; you don’t always hit a home run. The difference is that some give up after one strike out and others sharpen their skills in the batting cage while waiting their next opportunity at the plate. I would imagine Mr. Trump has done the same, and if you know the media the way I think you do, you probably also know stories of successes by a controversial figure such as Donald Trump are not as popular as those that tell of their failures.

X-3 said:
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Nationman said:
or go bankrupt like his investments.
Sidebar said:
X, are you aware how many of Trump’s businesses have gone bankrupt?
Rockycomet said:
Any possibility of him as POTUS is an illusion of his arrogance.

Afterthought to the above: What we’ve had for decades are people in government who know mostly nothing about fiscal responsibility. Where has that gotten us?

Joseph-I had no intention of causing anger if I did. I’m a centrist and believe we have long ago given up the concept of meeting each other half way and working out the problems to a conclusion. I felt that Bruin did such a surgical job (a skill I don’t think I have) that if he were able to do the same for both sides of the extremist outlook it would go a long way to restore my hope that we have a chance at resolving issues. I don’t think it would take a life time because extremism is rather transparent. My only hope is it doesn’t take a life time for both sides to find common ground.

X-I think you hit it with the “controversial figure” point which is making him less than desirable. I agree with you that we do need someone with fiscal responsibility and a skill for making money. Unfortunately with the way our society is currently setup we also need someone with charisma to appeal to both sides of the spectrum. I just don’t see that in “The Donald” only arogance.

X-3 said:
Afterthought to the above: What we’ve had for decades are people in government who know mostly nothing about fiscal responsibility. Where has that gotten us?

president bush owned a couple of failed companies, him and trump are pretty equal in that regard.

X-3 said:
Maybe all of you are correct, but please consider this: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_much_is_donald_trump_worth Making money–at least to me–has always been a lot like baseball; you don’t always hit a home run. The difference is that some give up after one strike out and others sharpen their skills in the batting cage while waiting their next opportunity at the plate. I would imagine Mr. Trump has done the same, and if you know the media the way I think you do, you probably also know stories of successes by a controversial figure such as Donald Trump are not as popular as those that tell of their failures.

From what I hear his worth may be over inflated just like his ego. he also made his money in real estate, not unlike those morons who inflated the real estate bubble of 2006.

X-3 said:
Maybe all of you are correct, but please consider this: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/How_much_is_donald_trump_worth Making money–at least to me–has always been a lot like baseball; you don’t always hit a home run. The difference is that some give up after one strike out and others sharpen their skills in the batting cage while waiting their next opportunity at the plate. I would imagine Mr. Trump has done the same, and if you know the media the way I think you do, you probably also know stories of successes by a controversial figure such as Donald Trump are not as popular as those that tell of their failures.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/5bn-the-cost-of-saying-donald-trump-is-a-mere-millionaire-1687222.html