He is going to go away, sadly for us liberals. What a disgusting human being.

 It’s very disconcerting he’s made it this far in the primaries. 

He is out an out fear mongering. A dirt bag of the highest order, and this is what the republicans want. Not to mention he’s just plain lying here. Just pick Romney and get it over with. Romney is a total phony but at least he doesn’t say stuff as stupid as this.

Yeah, it is astonishing.

Sadly a chunk of Santorum’s followers will accept this as gospel because they’re so desperate to hate those dreadful godless liberal foreigners. Someone needs to take every Republican politiciany to one side when and tell them that words mean things so you can’t just go around saying anything, making claims without any sort of research.

I was stationed in the Netherlands from 1985 – 1988.  The people of this country are the kindest, caring and most respectful people I have ever known.  Our son was born there and an older couple who lived next door were like grandparents to him.  They were truly brokenhearted when we left for the states.   Although our son wouldn’t remember them my wife and I will always have a great deal of love and admiration for Yoh and Toon, who have both passed on to a better world I’ve no doubt.

For Santorum to say such slanderous things about a people and a country, which I’m sure he knows absolutely nothing about, has put him at the lowest possible point in crazy rhetoric.

“You have done enough. Have you no sense of decency sir, at long last? Have you left no sense of decency?”

And Islam is mad at America for Qur’an burning. Isn’t it wonderful how liberals are so concerned about how America is viewed by others? If liberals had their way, bad America would just lay down and apologize to the world, and anybody who could ever possibly be mad at us…oh, wait.

It’s not that the Netherlands is so liberal in fact we have been moving towards the right in the last decade or so.Have taken part in all the large neo-colonial wars of the USA and are strong supporters of Israel.Generally there is a rising trend of populism and xenophobia in the Netherlands especially towards Muslims.Together with a zero tolerance policies towards crime and strict migration/asylum laws we now even have a “On welfare? Go do forced labor” scheme in the works. So it’s wrong that Mouthaan calls us the most liberal country ever.It’s just that some Americans apparently think that not bashing in the brains of openly gay individuals with rocks and allowing people 18 years and older to legally smoke pot now makes one a wild eyed crazy leftist.Ow yeah and allowing people to end their life in a dignified way if they are terminally ill also seems to make one a wild eyed leftist liberal in the USA.It’s just nuts.It’s not us who are so liberal it’s US conservatives that have gone off the rails to the right.

 I can’t remember totally. But I think it was Pat Robertson who also had some major flubs when it came to the Dutch regarding their drug policy. He said that druggies were passed out in the streets of Amsterdam. After being there myself…There were no “druggies” passed out in the streets. The streets were almost immaculate because as a tourist city they took pains to run the street cleaner almost nightly to get rid of the cigarette butts and other trash, usually dropped by tourists.

The Dutch do need to criticize Santorum, just like the Turks did when Perry spouted off his mouth with a bunch of lies.

This is about Rick Santorum, who is an ass, by the way. I know because he was my senator. But of course you completely ignore the topic and instead condemn those that think differently than you do. You really are a one trick pony: liberals are bad. Try to come up with some new material, at least legitimate criticism. If liberals had their way America would lay down and apologize? Do you see how ridiculous that sounds? It doesn’t even make sense.

 Could you please try and tell us of a more liberal country than yours?

And this has to do with Santorum being a lying asshole how?

 To some of us, it’s about people like Maddow. Liberals, who are asses, as you say. Didn’t Barry apologize to the Islamists still killing Americans, and any foreigners they can butcher for their beloved Quaran? The British cemeteries of war dead being desecrated because of KOran burning? And our military still apologizing for bad America once again?

The topic is liberal clowns like Maddow, when she injects herself into what others think of America, see how that works? Some of us are actually still proud of our country. Unlike the people you one-trick sheep vote for. Ridiculous, indeed.

Apologize, in the sense of when former President George W. Bush
apologized when a soldier was using the Qur’an for target practice.

http://www.jpost.com/MiddleEast/Article.aspx?id=101752

But, IOKIYAR.  Got it.

 I wonder what the Dutch would think of Barry Obama’s view on infanticide, (or Maddow’s) compared to Santorums? Don’t you? I wonder what type of decency they’d think our dear leader shows the unborn, compared to Mr. Santorums, don’t you? Go ahead, venture a guess for us, or have you no decency, sir?

Rachel is a douche… what I wanted to know is how true are these accusations… ok maybe not 10% are euthanized but what is the accurate percentage???? she left us hanging…. 5% are euthanized involuntarily… not true… what is the percentage?  is it true that a doctor has the authority to euthanize someone in coma without their or their relatives consent???… the elderly questions should have been addressed to an elder Dutch citizen, not this young lad… and notice he just answers yes, no and do not expand or contradict the claims…. hmmm smells like a rotten fish.

Tell ya what NDanielson I can see I’m wasting my time with you will have little effect in increasing your intelligence; so let me paraphrase another:  having a discussion with you, sir(?), is like having a discussion with a dining room table.  
 

The control these so-called religious consrvatives are trying to force on women is terrifying.   It isn’t religion at all, as any true Christian who knows Jesus knows, but men trying to control women.   Part of the Republicans may vote for Santorum now, but the thinking Republicans will not.  I do not understand who is voting for him — but it is a bit terrifying, especially for women.

Rick should stop getting his research information from right wing internet sites.

The Dutch  TV anchor should provide statistics so shut up.

The Dutch TV anchor was then overheard saying, “Who do we have to kill to get Santorum to stop?”

Yet, it is a reflection both of the current state of the Republican party and of the inadequacies of the heir apparent.

You’re correct, it ws. And, I found those remarks ignorant. Drugs are in tightly controlled places into which no one stumbles. The controls are even increasing over time. Over-the-counter drugs to non-Dutch citizens are being phased out. Why? Because of problems with British and American tourists!

Absolutely true. It is a wonderful nation with a kind and intelligent populace.

I did notice he provided zero statistics.  I checked into it myself and Santorum did exaggerate pretty wildly, but there is cause for concern as cases of voluntary euthanasia increased nearly 20% form ’10-’11. 

 The real question I have for you is: what do you think of a candidate who lies about a very serious issue? You seem to be trying to take the focus of this discussion to another place entirely.  From the way you framed your questions, it is obvious that you hold President Obama in low regard. Would you please explain if you think that Rick Santorum should be allowed to misrepresent the policies of a country in the way that he has. 

There is plenty to be proud of America about, no question. And yet, it seems to me that when our representatives abroad engage make a mistake, it is only courteous to apologize. That’s actually something we can be proud of: we aren’t so arrogant that we can’t admit it when we’ve committed an error. Whether or not other people ever apologize to us for mistakes they’ve made is entirely beside the point; if we’ve made a mistake, we should have the decency to admit it.

It is a Republican idée fixe (pardon my French) that our President apologizes for things he need not apologize for, but I think they’re wrong. Some of the occasions they describe as apologies were not, and the ones that are have been justified. The problem, it seems, is not that the President apologizes on behalf of America, but that Republicans are required by the rules of their organization to find fault with the President, regardless of what he says or does, even if they have to make things up.

Santorum lies to get votes.

http://www.factcheck.org/2012/02/santorums-bogus-euthanasia-claims/

I know this is point, but I feel I need to comment on a fundamental ignorance in your post. The Koran is believed to be the exact book handed to the Prophet by God. It is in itself holy. Both the content and the book are holy. The Bible is the inspired Word of God, recorded by man. The content is holy. Not the book itself. As such, burning the Koran was knowingly inciteful. Christians do not have an exact parallel to this. Well, American Christians do. Burning the flag is far more inciteful to a number of Americans.

No? I didn’t think you had any decency, sir(?) Mademoiselle? Or the intelligence to debate a dining room table for that matter.

But just for giggles, what do you think they’d say about Barry’s stance on infanticide, considering their own stance on abortion? Those enlightened Dutch probably align themselves more with your dreaded Mr. Santorum, than Barry the baby butcher, as he has no problem at all with all the late-term abortions the Dutch deplore, and outlaw, and he signed a bill that allows for  the death of babies outside the womb to die in “botched” abortions.

You couldn’t debate a lamp. Hypocrite.

I don’t know that I’ve ever considered the Netherlands particularly liberal, anyway. There are strong family values and a strong sense of individual and societal accountability, the latter of  which some Americans consider liberal and therefore an anathema. On a broad political spectrum, I might even consider Germany more politically liberal. Another feature of Dutch culture which confuses American conservatives and makes them disdainful of the Netherlands is tolerance.

 from the link to factcheck.org

Government statistics show euthanasia is climbing, but represented only 2.3 percent in 2010, according to the most recent data.

and where did you get your numbers from?

Thats voluntary Chimp. Thats not what Santorum was saying. You guys crack me up. They don’t end anyones life in europe or specifically the Netherlands involuntary. They don’t kill people because its to expensive to keep them alive. Its all bullshit. Have any of you guys ever even been to Europe? You might be surprised how nice it is.

I like people, politicians or otherwise, to produce actual evidence when they make empirical claims like this.  That being said, I get a little irked when a two bit Dutch reporter comes on a show to complain about what Rick Santorum said, without offering any evidence to the contrary.  Maddow apologizing was also absurd.  Have Santorum apologize or no one at all. 

None of them are euthanized involuntarily! What are you guys smoking? My wife is german and she was horrified that this moron stated these things. He’s insane.

I realize you are just channeling your inner Newt and you sound just about as moronic but let’s address your question.  First off, INFANTICIDE????  Just because you don’t agree with abortion IT’S THE LAW.  Secondly, Obama and others looked at the issue and agree that there would be limits but possible to have this.  Thirdly, being PRO-CHOICE doesn’t mean you are pro-ABORTION.  It means you have a CHOICE about what to do with your own body.  Something people like you (you know, you SMALL government types that care about the government getting between you and your doctor) seem to have skipped right over.  But then that’s how you roll…

 Yea its a liberal country andy that has a higher standard of living than the USA. 

‘misrepresent’…I can it LYING but I can see you’re trying to be nice.

Do you object to the notion of people, in general, being permitted to choose to die, in any circumstance? If a 90 year old, tired and ready to go on, chooses to die, are you against that? Seems like the libertarians favor choice, right?

So Santorum is an international embarrassment.

Ricky IS NOT LYING!!!  He cant!! Hes believes in GOD!!  If you believe in GOD you CANT LIE!!

 The difference between Maddow and Santorum is she doesn’t need to make up facts to make her point.Santorum is running on imaginary facts and he keeps make himself look stupid every day he opens his mouth.

Percentage don’t mean much without real numbers. All you’ve said is Netherlands assisted suicides increased from 5 in 2010 to 6 in 2012.

 Rachel Maddow is a Rhodes Scholar with a PhD in political science. I know education scares you, but she is no clown. She is one of the most fair minded people on TV, always treating her guests with respect, even those with whom she disagrees. I know you think you’re clever when you repeat my words back to me, but it just shows you have no original thought. By the way, how does she “inject” herself into a discussion of America? No, I don’t see how that works. Are only  an anointed few allowed to discuss America? And believe me, I know this will be WAY over your head, but apologizing is NOT a sign of weakness. Go ahead, rant away, because I know you don’t get it.

axemole said:
> Rachel is a douche [...] hmmm smells like a rotten fish.

Just what are you trying to say there molay?

 Well said!

The culture of murder comes from that area of the world. The Progressives  brought it to America. Miles beyond the millions of abortion murders that happen contraceptives are killing more women than ever before. One in three women get severe blood clots as a side effect that kill women without warning yet the Progressives and the left in general want more women to have contraceptives. They must want as many women dead as soon as possible.  It’s probably just an extension of ACLU Founder Margaret Sangers Negro Project on eugenics. Maddow either doesn’t know what she’s talking about or she’s lying again to the fools.

How could be? he has been a national embarrassment for years……………

Or he could make them up just like Ricky!!!!

This pathetic loser is a serious embarrassment to true conservatism and to true Christianity.  He is simply another example of how this nation has a lot of people who claim to be Christian or follow Christ and yet, they tell lies all the time.

You really ought to get your head out of the alternate reality of GOP universe and come back to the reality of earth some time.  Racheal’s, program was (and always is) 100% true, accurrate and factual regarding this segment.  Let me guess…..you probably voted for George Dubya Bush and you are impressionable enough to think that 21st century republicanism and conservatism are somehow, one in the same.  Well….they are not and republican ideologies that have brain washed people like you do not even cross paths with reality.  But you keep your head in the alternate universe of GOP land where the facts and straight truth about any subject are always interpreted as liberal and left wing.  These republican politicians and their wealthy corporate owners are counting on you exercising your right to be stupid when you step into that voting booth to blindly vote for republican candidates.  They desperately want you to vote for their congressional puppets so they can continue to influence legislation that screws you over to line their pockets. 

She’s a complete clown. She gets basic facts wrong all the time. NB has running list of them. Then, on the rare occasion when she admits a mistake, she offers limp/insincere ‘apologies’. During the last election MSNBC had a round table discussion show with the usual ratio of 3 or 4  liberals to one conservative-Joe Scarborough-and the panel routinely ganged up in agreement that Rachel was wrong. On facts. A lot. How ignorant do you have to be to have the panel’s other liberals agree with the lone conservative? Rachel Maddow dumb.

And, Rachel’s brilliant Rhodes Scholar response when Joe called her on her mistakes? To giggle like a 5 yr old. No kidding, that’s Rachel’s go to response when she’s been caught telling lies or not having a clue about political history. No intelligent come back. No backing up her position with ‘facts’. Oh, no, just the giggling. Joe owned her nearly every night.

Have we bounced back up to sad? Really? I was thinking that, once you get to this point, getting to sad as more aspirational than anything else. 

We don’t even need to look to examples from the rest of human history to support how unlikely it is that we’ll climb back up to sad within any reasonable period. I mean, you could cite the previous standards for republican-style checks-and-balances self-governance failure, from the 19th century in Hungary & in Poland (where the ability of fringe political actors & groups to convert procedural rules into effective vetos led to paralysis of government & frustration of both the democratic will & erosion of constitutional safeguards), but why even bother, given the best & most chilling example is from our own history? The Know Nothing splinter group in the 1830s was able to pose such serious problems to the expression of broad consensus over governance that over a period of 3 decades it led inexorably towards civil war – the results of which resulted in what has been so far a fracturing of national consensus that’s only resulted in progress towards effective government in the broad national interest during & from periods of the most extreme form of national crisis: involvement in world war (our one & only example of recurrence of the Era of Good Feelings  brought about from the War of 1812). 

Even while we are having this deeply dyslexic & ineffectual national ‘discussion’ over inequality of resources & opportunity, the problems under discussion aren’t abating – they’re getting worse. Either the Rubicon already was crossed, & the Republic – the one Benjamin Franklin said we had so long as we could keep it – has already fallen into a hole so deep it can not ever get out [a condition against which it's actually quite difficult to argue is an accurate & realistic assessment], or we are currently in the throes of moving across the Rubicon in such a way that even the most extreme of national crises cannot halt, let alone, reverse, direction. The combination of the post-Soviet-collapse breakdown of sovereign currency power with world-wide human connectedness means that, other than civil wars & regional policing, state-sponsored, state-coordinated & coordinating wars cannot & do not happen – so, in the result, we have an increasing proliferation of civil wars & regional policing, most often simultaneous with each other & with neither holding the possibility of resolution.  

Just consider this current ‘national renewal’ exercise we’re in: the 2012 presidential-year elections. It’s currently most likely that the Democratic president will be re-elected – but, so what? Unless the Dems also re-take the House, & there’s at least a stand-off in the Senate, we’re not likely to have any more effective national governance than we’ve seen since 2008 – & that’s the BEST CASE scenario. If Obama is re-elected & Republicans keep the House & take the Senate, the next four years, or at least the first two of them, will be subsumed with impeachment (Over what, you say? Over anything the Republicans decide to use to gin up the exercise; as we know from the late 1990s, no standards apply.). Worse: if Romney were to be elected (unlikely but hardly impossible), that will complete the plutocratic takeover of the national government & the Republic will clearly have fallen to a depth from which it’ll be impossible to recover, & we will be late-imperial Rome, looking towards millenia of misery. 

But even if the Dems hold the White House & both chambers of Congress, it will be barely, & then mostly in form, because Republicans will still have all the power that comes with rules of obstruction (which we already know they will use & expand upon), AND there will be so many state governments in Republican control that national revitalization will be rendered moot despite anything done at the federal level. In sum, we are in the inexorable grip of Know Nothingism, helpless to the expansion of the power of the obscenely wealthy, trapped by our own recycling reinforced ignorant backwardness. That is, we are become a permanent banana republic. 

Santorum is ridiculous & futile – but the fact that Democrats & liberals look to the sliverish possibility of his denying candidate Money [indistinguishable from Romney] the GOP nomination is worse than ridiculous – is at least futile.

 Oh no, Europe is scary, they’re different over there. They talk funny and they’re educated and they have weird food. Don’t you know America is the bestest? We’re exceptional. Besides, only the elite travel to Europe.

Thinking like they do just made me a little sick.

 What do you expect from people that voted for George W Bush…twice. They’ll believe anything.

And disconcerting why? Because he’s done it entirely built on a platform of not being Romney, not having quit, having a single big money backer, & being able to attract the support of a few extremes in his party’s base – but mostly because he’s not Romney & he hasn’t quit.

It’s broader than that. It reflects fatal flaws in the overall structure. Look at the polling: Santorum appears greatly unlikely to win in the general, but even then, he’d still be bound to attract the votes of between 45 & 55 millions of Americans. That sh*t is f**ked up & sh*t! If that many adults in this country are that prepared to throw their country to the control of a religious nut, that’s a systemic problem.

I’m not sure it’s so much that they’ll believe it, as it is that they’ll AGREE to accept it – much like they’ve agreed to accept that Obama is a radical socialist dictator not born in the U.S. & a secret Muslim. It’s a matter of doctrinal acceptance for building consensus. That the underlying precepts are lies isn’t a bug, it’s a feature. 

 ”Rachel Maddow dumb”

Yeah, she’s the dumb one.

See the new lie? Barry the baby butcher – like Tiller the baby killer. How’s your national discussion going?

I don’t think he would pull 45 to 55. Im thinking about 35. No one is voting in these primaries so not even the republicans give a shit about their candidates.

And transvaginal ultrasounds before abortions was becoming THE LAW. And liberal leftnuts were all good with that because it WAS THE LAW right? But of course, it’s how you roll, huh? Hypocrite.

Rick Santorum:  Inventing more enemies than a Terra Cotta sculptor. 

That Sinclair Lewis prediction – that fascism would come to America wrapped in the U.S. flag & holding a bible – has come true with the recasting of the right to choose into infanticide. Need broad religiosity? Check. Need broad anti-science? Check. Need popular anti-eduction? Check. Need effective national ignorance? Check.   

National discussion??? LOL. I figured I had you at mademoiselle?

“Didn’t Barry apologize to the Islamists still killing Americans” 
No, PRESIDENT OBAMA did NOT apologize to ISLAMISTS still killing Americans. But the fact is that if you ran a poll on that assertion, upwards of 40% of adult American voters would agree with this absurd assertion – & that’s enough to disable the Republic.

 He’s only had rotten puss?

The key is education. Its people are well educated, not anti-science & not religiotic. That they have universal health care coverage, no systemic inequality & a higher mean standard of living are all by-products of critically better education. We, in contrast, on the whole, are citizens of a deeply ignorant country.

 I know they are so ignorant its unbelievable. Ive been all over Europe and im not an elitist by any means. Im married to a German woman so im lucky in that regard. All of the countries have their own set of problems but they are generally safe, clean, and free. Most have a very high standard of living and low crime rates. Germany, has had a more productive economy than ours, and is more socialist than ours. The republicans never bring that up. None of these republicans could get elected dog catcher in any country in Europe.

And where does that tolerance come from? Education. There’s lots & lots of science showing higher education brings higher tolerance.

 You are a fool. Santorum is the one who lied, and you bring up your personal opinion of Maddow. Maddow isn’t running for the most powerful position in the world. If you want a country with little or no contraception, and no legal abortion move to one in Africa or the middle east. See how you like that.

See this meme? It’s an effort to shift the burden of proof. Santorum says something entirely insupportable. This reader says: how dare Maddow claim it’s ENTIRELY unsupportable? PROVE THAT IT’S ENTIRELY UNSUPPORTABLE. Yet the fact is that it wasn’t Maddow saying what Santorum asserts is entirely unsupportable, it was a Dutch journalist saying that. See the conflation? Just by an American journalist considering the story & trying to bring in facts, she’s taken sides & thus bears the burden of proof. This, folks, is why we’re all screwed.

See? There it is again: the idea that the burden of proof is shifted by a religiotic winger liar just making shit up.

And again: this is called the Overton Window folks, & this is how it gets shifted.

This statement shows just how gullible you are. NO show is 100% factually accurate. NONE ! Talk about alternate reality. You creepy Obamabots are very Hltlereqsue. Where’s your arm band with a big O on it? Practice clicking your heels together.

Too late: the Overton Window has shifted. The argument no longer tolerates that what Santorum asserted is complete bullshit. Now it’s, Okay, it’s exaggerated, but if any part of it isn’t bullshit, it’s all true.

 she may be better than the failure we have now

Here you are, folks: another reader on shifting the burden of proof.

Where’s FROTH to defend himself? Was he banned? I’m no FROTH, but:
HUMOR GOOD – NET NANNYS BAD :(

Paid for by the bring back froth because this site has no damn class anyway committee.

And yet she presented NONE. Wake up fool. Saying the leftist medis is any better than rightist media is just plain ignorant. They ALL lie to push their agenda, which is no more than party agenda. these parties, both right and left are nothing but arch-criminals who use media to keep the country divided. Wake up fool

So let’s arrest them and send them off for political re-education.  And if any of them are alive when the Great One passes directly to heaven next to God, they damned well better show us some real tears or it is their ass.

 I know this is pointless, for reasons too numerous to mention, the least of which is your inability to grasp logic. But…

Americans inadvertently, or intentionally for that matter, burning the koran, is reason enough for the fanatics to kill over. And for Barry Obama to apologize that we are the bigger infidel, if you will, in god’s view, or in the eyes of the rest of the civilized world is all good with you? Wow. We apologize to murderers because their holy book is burned, and you try to square that to make Barry look to be the bigger man ethically and morally than those murderous animals? But Barry is not an apologist. Wow. Some find abortion ‘inciteful’ and to be murder, but what the hell, right? Remind me how sympathetic you are to those people, again. We’ll wait.

Agreed. They can say the world is flat, and if the commentator says well thats just not true. They blame the commentator for not coming up with the facts that prove their stupid statement not true.

 She would be better than the four failures you have running.

It is the same losing formula we (I was a staunch Democrat back then) employed in ’72 with McGovern, and the GOP did in ’64 with AuH2O–

Get someone popular with the party ideologues out on the extreme, but someone that nobody else likes. This is why I was carping about the right-wing pander-fest we’ve been seeing (well, you guys have been seeing) in the GOP debates. Why let the extreme part of the party call the shots on policy, when you already have their vote?  Who else is the Tea Party going to vote for?  Obama?  Some obscure Libertarian?

 The meme is that republicans want to take away women’s right to abort on demand. And that republicans want to take away a women’s right to “access” to contraception. Where the truth is that abortion should take a few hoops to jump through, in all fairness to the unborn, but I digress. “Fairness” is, afterall, all a matter of perception isn’t it? And conservatives would just like liberals, and anyone else for that matter, to pay for their own lifestyles and heaven forbid their own contraceptives. What a concept, huh. Reap the harvest of their right choices, and pay some cost for their stupid choices. Wow, that seems only “fair” does it not? See how easy that is?

That successful people must always subsidize stupid people, folks is why we are all screwed.

Is it possible that Santorum mis-spoke? That he said involuntary euthanasia but meant to say euthanasia? Candidates do mis-speak on the campaign trail. We are still trying to locate the other 7 states that Obama referenced. BTW, for all you people that blindly accept whatever is pumped into your little pea brains by media, whether right or left;

Here is something to read from a UK study; http://www.euthanasia(dot)com/holland99.html

Just paste in your browser and erase the (dot) and replace with a real dot. Enjoy trolls

 You offer no substance, go away

Either the Rubicon already was crossed, & the Republic – the one
Benjamin Franklin said we had so long as we could keep it – has already
fallen into a hole so deep it can not ever get out [a condition against which it's actually quite difficult to argue is an accurate & realistic assessment], or we are currently in the throes of moving across the Rubicon in such a way that even the most extreme of national crises cannot halt, let alone, reverse, direction.

(I dig your writing, dude.)  All the posters here can find solace in the fact that if the country “has already fallen into a hole so deep it can not ever get out,”  they can blame it on Bush.  I had a glimmer of excitement at the prospect of a new President and a plan out of our malaise.  Instead, all I heard about was health care from the Democrats, and Rachel kept on bashing Bush for a year straight as if he were still president.  We’re going to get another four years of malaise under Obama, then eight more years of malaise under fat boy.  But when it is his turn, we can call him a racist because he is white.

Ricky is quiet the liar. Pants on fire!

Misspoke? Did you watch the video? He says that old people walk around with bracelets saying don’t kill me? He says that they run from the country in order to avoid being killed involuntarily? Have you heard other things that he as misspoke about? NO one thing about Santorum is that he says what he believes. And even though he is a complete dolt, at least he’s going to go down in flames on his own terms by spouting off his moronic religious babble.

 People are willing to believe anything which supports their preconceived ideas, no matter how ludicrous.  Barack Obama is a Muslim Manchurian Candidate, haven’t you heard?  Everybody knows it.

The more outrageous the claim, the less likely it’s true, and yet the more this class of cretins will embrace it like it was issued by the Burning Bush itself. 

I have a personal friend hunkered down at Bagram Airfield where all of this current mess started.  I fear for his safety.  If dancing naked in front of the UN building on national news would calm down the Hajis I’d do it.  Apologizing seems like the least we could do to protect the lives of our troops still in harm’s way.

lol and your substance is? Typical conservative. You are wrong, and cant prove you are right so you resort to telling people to go outside.

 Sure.  All of Scandinavia.

My buddy lived there four years and says the same.  I also have a high school chum who currently lives modestly there on royalties from a song Lyle Lovett did.  He is a S. Texas balladeer playing the folk music venues in and around Amsterdam.  It is very safe for a big city, I’m told.  Anyway, his daughter Carrie is a rising music star.  Check him out–

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LCMO6iv9qUU

 That certainly could account for a lot of the comments I read here today.

Go to the link I posted. Whats with the anti-Christian h@te? I bet you just say “Zieg Heil’ when Obama talks about his “faith”

 Nasty little attack dog, isn’t he?  Clearly not qualified.

 Hold on there, Skippy.  I voted for Bush twice and I’m horrified at the direction the Republican Party has taken.  My votes for Bush had less to do with supporting him and more to do with disliking the Democrats running against him more.  It has been quite a while since I was enthusiastic about any candidate.  I usually have to hold my nose when I pull the voting lever.

My contempt for the far right is equal to my contempt for those on the far left.  I yearn for a centrist.

laprofesora952
“Rachel Maddow dumb”

Yeah, she’s the dumb one.

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 Rhodes scholar = smart.

Garbage in = garbage out.

Which is the truer statement?

Yep, you are the dumb one. That she was taught liberal garbage from liberal professors in a liberal school makes her smart? Wow. I’ve heard it all. Liberal classes where the first rule is: there is no right or wrong answer…as long as it is my answer.
Yes, tell us more, genius.

 If you read my whole post you can easily fact check the accuracy. You’re the one who called yourself inside guy. I assume you just sit inside and freeload off working people.

Maybe you’d like to hear from a Dutch citizen, who happens to be a doctor;

“The theme of dignity is widely
exploited. We are also told that one way to die in dignity is to let oneself be
killed by a professional! A special soothing language is used to make it easier
for the public to accept euthanasia: documents intended to hasten death are
given the name of “living wills,” and killing the patients with injections is
called “aid in dying.”
The acceptation of euthanasia involves a new and
different role for medicine, and a new and different vision of the world. The
striving of libertarians for expanded rights and unlimited freedom of the
individual is producing the opposite: compulsion to die, denial of the right to
live, and replacement of the human community we know, by a new Killing Society.
Every effort should be applied to prevent this from happening.”

Dr. R. Fenigsen. Taken from:”
Euthanasia in the Netherlands and What It Means to the U.S.” Dr. Richard
Fenigsen, a Dutch citizen, is a retired cardiologist

Anti-christian hate? Another preconceived bunch of bullshit. Any intolerant,ignorant person of any faith deserves contempt,whether he’s christian muslim, hindu, jewish, or buddist.  You defend morons and are proud of it. You blame the person asking the questions and not the answers that are given. Typical conservative tactic right out of Newst playbook. Good thing the american people are seeing through this ploy.

 This from a clown who probably still believes in man-made global warming? LOL.

Over the past two decades, the
Netherlands has moved from assisted suicide to euthanasia, from euthanasia for
the terminally ill to euthanasia for the chronically ill, from euthanasia for
physical illness to euthanasia for psychological distress and from voluntary
euthanasia to nonvoluntary and involuntary euthanasia.

Once the Dutch accepted assisted
suicide it was not possible legally or morally to deny more active medical help
i.e. euthanasia to those who could not effect their own deaths. Nor could they
deny assisted suicide or euthanasia to the chronically ill who have longer to
suffer than the terminally ill or to those who have psychological pain not
associated with physical disease. To do so would be a form of discrimination.
Involuntary euthanasia has been justified as necessitated by the need to make
decisions for patients not competent to choose for themselves.

Taken from: Lessons From the Dutch
Experience by Herbert Hendin, M.D.

Of course you would assume that but you know what they say about people who assume. Im a cop MadCharles what do you do?

What i’m saying is that Maddow brought NO facts to her argument. NONE. And yet you swallow it whole. THat is no ploy, just the truth. Apparently something you cant handle

Hey….Who REALLY cares what the Dutch think?
They’re……..DUTCH…for gawds sake.

Do you work in a hospital 82nd? You have no clue on what they do even in this country. Doctors do assisted suicide everyday in this country. Because the individual has a dont bring me back clause, or the family decides what needs to be done. Every freaking day they do it. My own mother was taken off of life support because she had a massive stroke, and it was hers and our decision. We could have left her on the respirator for years and did nothing. These are no small decisions but they are realistic ones.

the KNMG has published a paper which says a combination of social factors and diseases and ailments that are not terminal may also qualify as unbearable and lasting suffering under the Euthanasia Act.

The KNMG now says that, if non-medical factors such as income or loneliness are to be taken into consideration, other specialists must be consulted when a patient has requested euthanasia.”

Huh? lets klll poor people now?

 Thanks for you’re service. All I can say is when I’m not I’m an independent contractor w/two Purple Hearts, three Bronze Stars I promote my son’s music.

Yes I do know, My mom was taken off life support as well. Dont set yourself up as being different. And dont assume that you know anything about me. The smartest people in the world are people who realize that they know very little. BTW, my condolences

 Misrepresent??? LOL. Like how republicans want to take away a woman’s access to contraception and all abortion? Because many feel that it should be a woman’s responsibility to provide for it HERSELF, at her own expense? Tell us more.

Doesn’t the constitutional scholar, Barry Obama always talk about “fairness”???

gimme a break dude, you people just seem to justify all the trash he says.Me a liberal thinks the junk he said about Mitt is just ridiculous.

 It’s always the Americans that ruin it, huh, empowah? You liberal clowns just have a need to apologize for all things American, don’t you? It just comes so naturally to you unproud Americans, huh? No wonder you so readily align with the beliefs of Barry, his wife and his former preacher, huh?

None of you brave liberals like boo boo (geez how cute) have answered my question on how the Dutch might feel about Barry’s stance on late term abortion, and babies left to die in botched abortions. How ’bout you, empowah? Want to give it a go? Hypothetically, of course.

Ignorant because liberals cannot see that while the EU is waking up to the failings of socialism, Barry and his sheep are demanding it come to full bloom here? Deeply ignorant to believe that it will work “this time”?

The whole point of this is that Santorum was wrong. He acts as if the dutch walk around in constant fear of being killed against their will. This is a decision for them that they have made, they have a wonderful country and culture, he can have his opinions about assisted suicide but he shouldn’t be ignorant about how other countries do it.  He is a fool, yet you insist on defending this fool. I don’t get it, and thank you.

You people? WOW ! ‘Nuff said

You keep spouting the word education. Math and physical science or liberal social garbage are the same?

Tolerance such that we apologize to murderers because of a BOOK being burnt!? If that is the product of education as you see it, you are truly the ignorant one.

Tolerance such that some find abortion on demand to be murder, and some educated, enlightened, tolerant ones continually seek ways to make others pay for it and/or accept it, and when they can not accept it, they are slandered, ridiculed, mocked and then dismissed. And the tolerant, educated call it a woman’s right to her body?

He may not have quoted the correct statistics, but the thrust of what he said was spot on, as my posts above show. I’m sorry you cant accept that, but the info IS there for you to see if you so choose. As for the culture, thats a matter of opinion. Having been there several times, I was less than impressed. But then, when I have to step over junkies and vomit to access my hotel,it is less than impressive

 He knows nothing but liberal sheep platitudes.

This is really too much. Distorting the facts is one thing but saying the flatout lies that are easy t check simply illustrates how fake, bogus a candidate this forthy creature is!

 I’m afraid the moderate politician has become extinct.  The current environment is so toxic, how do we ever get back to the middle?

He’s been there for some time, hasn’t he? I am Amsterdam, a big aviation center, generally every year. I’ve never come across him there. But, my in-laws live in Niedersachsen, just across the border at to the north. I am pretty sure I ran across him in a club. Emden or Essen, maybe.

I’m just dealing with the fact that the Dutch report drug abuse by Americans in the Netherlands. I tend to believe it. All the Marys in Heaven know I have seen plenty of inebriated Americans urinating on the sidewalks in Amsterdam and Groningen. If you don’t want to deal with facts, that is fine by me.

 No my dear, I don’t think you’ve heard it all, because your mind is closed to all that doesn’t feed your rage. Please don’t take my comments out of context, it only shows you to be unoriginal. I have never called anyone dumb because it is a word too general to have much meaning, like “good” or “nice”. I find your need to be insulting very telling. It prevents anyone from expecting logical or intelligent responses from you, among other things. But since I am so dumb, why don’t you just ignore me, since my comments are obviously so beneath your level.

He didn’t just misquote statistics he said that people where do not kill me bracelets, and run from the country to get out of being killed. He painted a country that seems like its out of Logan’s Run. And stepping over junkies and vomit to get to your hotel, is pretty typical of any american city. Except you also have to worry far more about catching a bullet in a major american city.

Exactly.

Indeed.

that’s ridiculous. If I say Albert Pujols’ batting average in 2009 was .430 and you say “no it wasn’t” I don’t think it’s too much to expect you to offer what it actually was.  It is easy to prove or disprove a stat.  

You know jack @#@ about what I think.  I offered a criticism of what I saw as a problem with this TV anchor’s response to Santorum not an outline of my views on Europe or euthanasia.  

Anyone on this thread really think Rick Santorum would make a good President of the United States? If so please tell us why?

 Ummm, but what about the stance on abortion? You know, the facts of Barry’s take on late term infanticide and the Dutch stance on abortion. Tell us how you deal with those facts. I thought we were playing, America bad, (insert name of any other country, religion constitution)________________  good.

No all Rachel did was have a dutch reporter on who stated that Santorums statements were false. It would be the same as if she had the manager of Albert Pujols saying no he didn’t bat .430 in 2009 and I invite you to look it up. So look up the facts about assisted suicide in the Netherlands Chimp and see what you come up with. If you come up with the facts that they are all walking around with do not kill me bracelets on and are leaving the country not to be killed get back to me.  Some statements are so ridiculous ( ie the earth is flat) that there is no need to disprove them with facts instantly because the average person knows that it is a stupid statement.

if the average person knows that it is a stupid statement, then why do the Dutch feel the need to address it?  I know your reply will be that the GOP base, idiot evangelical voters might be confused and believe Santorum, but they are a small number of Americans.  

I am not endorsing Santorum’s comments, in fact I think it was silly of him to even bring this issue up at all,  but obviously the Dutch must think a decent number of Americans, a larger group than extremist Santorum supporters, have misconceptions about euthanasia in the Netherlands. This leads me to believe it’s not a case where a simple “that’s absurd”, like the flat-earth case, will do. 

You are pathetic, You think those claims are true? They kill their old people in the Netherlands because of budgests? Why not just look it up if you are obtuse enough to believe such crap would happen in a place like the Netherlands?

I always get a kick when kooky konservatives talk about the 57 states. It really made their day. It’s their proof that the media favors Obama and picks on konservatives.

No one sane thinks Obama believes there are 57 states. No one thinks Obama was trying to mislead anyone. No one cares because Obama was not trying to look like a saint when he said “57 states.” No one cares because Obama was not trying to judge anyone when he said “57 states.”

Santorium is a nut and it is news when he says nutty things.

 While the private sector is the cornerstone of the Dutch economy,
governments at different levels have a large part to play. Public
spending, including social security transfer payments, is at 47.9% of
GDP (2005). Total tax revenue was 37.5% of GDP (2005), which is below
the EU average. In addition to its own spending, the government plays a
significant role through the permit requirements and regulations
pertaining to almost every aspect of economic activity. The government
combines a rigorous and stable microeconomic policy with wide-ranging
structural and regulatory reforms. The government has gradually reduced
its role in the economy since the 1980s. Privatisation and deregulation
is still continuing.

Meanwhile Barry and his Obots are calling for more government control, and regulation on the private sector. All while talking about your right to contraception and free, free, everything.

 I don’t think they support him but will defend his statements for some reason. However upon saying that I truly believe that many conservatives would vote for this stooge in just because he’s not Obama. But man would they regret that vote, if he actually got elected.

I lived in Europe for nearly 10 years and 2 years was spent in Cologne, Germany which is near the Dutch border. I visited Holland many times and was always aware that I was in the presence of very civilized people. Americans need and are in for a dose of shock therapy. The level of life in much of Europe is something that Americans would envy if they were to spend any time living or travelling around much of Europe. Most Europeans take the mixture of capitalism and socialism for granted which is why there is little immigration from these European countries – central, northern, western and even southern Europe. In a civilized society, euthanasia with strict controls does make sense.

We have our troops in harms way and these idiot Republican candidates are shooting off their mouths.  That is what I call anti-american.  Hillary has to tell the Afghan people not to listen to the Republican candidates.  

So it’s back to a small social issue that effects a very small percentage of abortions.. let alone a very small segment of our country that you are willing to bet our country on?  What percent of all abortions ever performed were after 21 weeks?  Maybe 1%?  Of course pro-lifers will say that liberal women have abortions every other month.. because they can’t keep the aspirin between their knees.. so this would amount to millions of late terms.

Who cares what the Dutch think about abortions NDanielson? This isn’t their country.  We’re trying to save it from people like you, Bush, Perry, and Santorum, who believe that a social issue that effects next to no one should be the prime reason why we elect a POTUS.

 Google it next time. It’s legal until the 21st week, no questions asked. Over 117 places to have them (that’s 117 times as many as there are in South Dakota)  The Netherlands is just a bit larger than Maryland. There is an average of 1 abortion provider per 111 sq. miles. It should be mentioned that the Netherlands as well as most of Europe has a great mass transit system. So there are trains and buses that would make the journey very easy. But unlike the US there is no problem in getting the Pill, Condoms, and RU-486 so that the incidence of an abortion is greatly reduced because of those items.

Geeee, the Dutch are furious at Santorum, who give a big Rats-Ass Maddow!

 Believe me…That I already knew.
Almost all of Western Europe has a higher standard of living than the US. Stranger still is the US also supports a nation that has a higher standard of living than Poland, Portugal, etc we also pay for their universal healthcare, yet we don’t have one here.
I’m sure you guessed I was talking about Israel. If I remember correctly they are the #31 when it comes to standard of living.

 I never knew of any Scandinavian nations that allowed “Smoke Shops” like the Dutch.

1.2% is the rate of Euthanasia deaths.. Learn how to use Google

 only in dysfunctional lesbian msnbc land, and oba’mao’ jocksniffers land, like mediate, do they care what the fffffff lame ass dutch think

He has one of his recent gigs on YouTube, I believe. I think it was Essen.  (Short drive from Amsterdam?)  Anyway, his daughter Carrie plays the Cactus Cafe about every six months.  He is on FB.

I know its crazy but the conservatives over in this country who hate universal health care, support Israel which is a socialist country with universal health care in which we help prop up. Its a crazy world isn’t it.

They are brainwashed by their preconceived leaders who want to keep them ignorant. None of these conservatives on this board(or very few) have ever left the states. Europe as a whole has some major problems, but the peoples standard of living surpases the average american. A middle class german can afford to send his children to higher education without going into massive debt. He does not have to be concerned about becoming bankrupt if he get sick(the largest reason for bankruptcy in this country) and the unemployment rate is around 5%.  Are they taxed higher? Yep. Is it harder to make a billion dollars and hoard it for yourself yep. Do they have other problems relating to immigration and the fact that muslims are not integrating well into their culture? They sure do. But they don’t have to worry so much about the basic things in life. You can work for Mcdonalds in Germany and you have full health insurance. Conservatives claim this is not how americans want to live. They just forgot to ask the americans that.

Although I will say this. There is something about America in general that allows for creative people with ideas to succeed and be innovative far more than most in Europe. You can blame socialism for that im not sure. Europe has some incredible minds and very intelligent people. But they haven’t produced people like Steve jobs or Bill Gates among many others who have literally influenced how the world works. Although thats a debate for another time:)

Well we will have to agree to disagree. I have faith that the average american with an IQ above 40 knows that no country in Europe kills people against their will. Its an absurd statement by Santorum. Rachel does not need to get out charts and graphs to prove it is not true. She has faith in the intelligence of her audience that they understand that she doesn’t have to prove that to them.

People who wish to know whether Santorum is a liar, for starters.Intelligent people for another.  Oh, that’s right, now i understand why you don’t care.

Most of them are self-described “ditto heads,” who willingly give up their ability to think and reason, so they can be led around by the nose, and not mind it.

The word you seem to have chosen to ignore is “requested.” How dare you suggest you  could know how someone else is feeling.

And doing soooo much better than we are. Why should we look to success for ideas to make our own lot better? Conservative logic.

I just don’t see the point of bringing the guy on at all, if she has faith that her audience wouldn’t believe what Santorum is saying.  For instance, I don’t she would bring on a heliocentrist if Santorum started expounding a geocentrist view

The fact that this topic has almost 200 comments indicates how much we need Santorum to say something crazy.  Last weekend, he was giving us new stuff every hour.  It’s a shame he clammed up!

 He sounds quite like the conservatives who campaigned against assisted suicide in Oregon and Washington. However, NONE of these things have come to pass. Saying something, and having it be so, are often polar opposites.

He uses froth to put the fire out.

 REAL Americans.

 Peace and good fortune to your friend in harms way.

 You just insulted my dining room table.

Santorum has his feet firmly planted in the fever swamps of Planet Wingnuttia.

Isn’t that what The RepublicanTea Partiers always say?

Yup! Real good if he wants to survive as POTUS in the international cooperation thing. Oh wait we don’t need to worry about him as POTUS never mind…….. 

The Book states ” there will be many false prophets”…….

He believes in his God which confuses many……

I feel sorry for the blacks and hispanics that the church has ignored. To the others, I say, F You!

I guess Haile Mariam was a freedom fighter. He has not only never been aprehended (Yale family BTW), but was allowed to go to Zimbabwe. I am pro-black and hispanic. The white left has never empowered the minority community and has disempowered the blue collar and middle class younger kids and is getting the upper middle class.

Obama is Mugabe. However, there are a lot of Republicans and independents who give not a flying about anyone but themselves.

 Do you realize you say the same thing in every comment? You’re not going to get the attention you’re desperately seeking, if you can’t talk about anything else but your hatred of Obama.
    
Seriously.  We – get- your – point.  Time to move on.  

Froth appreciates that.

 ’Obsessive Compulsive Disorder’.  ‘Deranged’. 

You might want to look the two up before your mind gets so f***ed, they put you in a straight jacket.  

Obama’s smile broadens daily ─ I mean, if this is the best idiot they can come up with then Barack hasn’t a care in the world!
And *that name*, UUUGHHH!
All in all, I’m just thrilled . . .

 No se nada acerca estas cosas.

You are talking about the Rachel on Meet the Press with someone like George Will on the panel.  The Rachel on her show is much more over the top.  I think she is a True Believer, which makes her incapable of being an objective journalist.  That said, I like her a lot.  She had the best coverage of the BP spill. She has an irritating habit of constantly chuckling that I would like to see her lose.  I love her short and hair and glasses.  I would rather hang with her than anyone else at MSNBC.

I feel , not only with the citizens of the USA, but many other nations, which might feel the influence of the president of that country. Somebody with so dramatic little knowledge of the situation in a country he quotes for an example… still able to run for president..
However, it is not so long ago.,one of the two candidates for the vice presidency had so less knowledge of the world outside Mainstreet in her town, she believed all about the world was.. just over the big water = Soviet Union ( Oh, sorry, changed a 20 years ago into Russia) and,., made a stop with an US plane in Ireland, and stayed a few days on an US base in Germany, so.. knows now the world.
Sorry, but here in Netherlands, a 9 years old child in primary school has a wider knowledge.

I will tell an equivalent: everybody in the USA is hanged when he/she violates the law three crimes.

I find it absolutely hilarious that you insist on calling our president Barry.. a nickname, instead of by his formal name, Barack.  Hilarious and sad.. hilarious because it shows that you’re most likely one of those Birther fools.. thinking that there’s some vast conspiracy behind his name now.. that his given name is Barry, and not Barack.  And sad, because well… no… actually I lost the sad part.. you’re just another right-wing nut job.

Norway Sweden hmmm I think it really depends if you look at our drug policy then we are pretty unique so on social issues we tend to be quite liberal.But on economic,migration, or foreign policy we are increasingly right wing.Also on drug policy we are kind of making a retreat from the no holds bar policies of the past now requiring people to be a “member” of a coffeeshop in order to be able to buy there.Also plans exist of banning the more strong strands of cannabis with high THC content.So here as well we are becoming less liberal.I believe a lot of the Netherlands=Liberal paradise thing is spread on purpose in the USA as a marketing gimmick.It doesn’t really tell the true story of Dutch society which consists mostly of heterosexual middle aged white males that wear sweaters own a dog and go on vacation in a caravan and would/do not approve when their son turns out to be gay.The only places gays are able to more or less maintain some openly gay life culture is in enclaves of the larger cities.Outside of those you won’t see nearly that much of it because people are just as nasty as anywhere else in the world towards gays.I think the best way to see the Netherlands is you have Amsterdam and then you have the rest of the country.Dutch history while it has it’s liberal sides such as being a refuge for persecuted religious minorities it’s also a country with a horrific colonial history together with a history in slavery.A country that has had a large role in the spread and theology shaping of some of the most fundamentalist protestant Christianity in the worldm and the modern forms of capitalism , banks and corporations,stock markets were born here.So anyway i guess what I’m really trying to say is don’t generalize us please.Hell i think we actually brought the first slaves to the USA in the early 17th century and of course our Afrikaner descendants with their apartheid and how during WW2 most of our Jews were exterminated after being ratted out by collaborating anti-semitic Dutch Nazi’s.Largest foreign contingent in the Waffen SS was Dutch.Santorum is however still a moron and a liar when it comes to what he said about us.It’s just not how it works here and the fact he can tell such lies or maybe even believe they could be true says a lot about the guy.

And just how has all that deregulation over the past 32 years helped us NDanielson?  Hmmm let’s take a look… most good paying production jobs have moved overseas.  Our GDP would be MUCH higher had corporations not taken the quick and easy profit road and moved overseas.  And don’t say it was because our corporate tax rate is too high.. we both know that corporations pay next to nothing.  57% of corporations paid zero in federal income tax in 2010.  Exxon/Mobil hasn’t paid federal income tax in over 10 years. and GE is getting billions in refunds.. despite not paying income taxes for 5 years.

NO one is talking FREE, FREE everything.  Except for extreme right wingers like you when trying to lie about the policies Obama is trying to implement.  I pay for my health insurance NDanielson, and so do most other people in this country.

Which costs more NDanielson.. 100% insurance covered contraception.. or paying for the cost of raising a kid to 18?  A child born in 2010 will cost at least $250,000 to raise to 18.  Birth Control pills cost $15-$50/month (which is probably far cheaper than the cost of all those aspirins women should be keeping between their knees) or $3,240-$10,800 over 18 yrs.  $250,000 to 18, and that’s not including if the kid gets sick or college funds.. that’s food and clothing.. nothing else.

 John “the Beast” Mugabe?

That was one of the best thought-out and informative comments I have seen on ANY subject (in any forum) in a long time! 

Thank You! 

The Dutch are just better educated than us http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/54/12/46643496.pdf

I doubt they really care what the ignorant say and believe here in the USA.  Its sad really that Santorum needs to tell silly made-up stories to scare his sad and silly base into supporting him.

One could speculate that this might be why Santorum says President Obama is a snob for wanting all kids in our country to have the opportunity to attend College or University – his base would not follow him if they were well educated critical thinkers.  The far right very much needs ignorant ill informed people to believe in and vote for them…

 I think you should visit the USA instead of thinking you know it or the people who live there through the media.It broadened my mind.I visited in 98′  so pre-9/11 and pre-economic meltdown not sure how hard it is now to visit or how attitudes changed but at the time people were very friendly , for some reason as a first time visitor you expect the US to be like the TV series but outside the cars on the highway there is very little these type of shows tell you about the US.Being negatively stereotyped as you just did is exactly what ppl like Santorum love to do about us.So better to just go check things out. You will find that ppl are pretty much the same as they are here a little shorter and fatter.As for perceived nationalist fervor outside of gigantic with emphasis on GIGANTIC (like a apartment block size) flags  i encountered more of it in France.But again this was 98′  i’ve heard/read bad things about the changes since 9/11 and economic crises of 08′.
The thing i discovered was the racial segregation and that it is a really strange thing to see as a European where you go from a all white with some color neighborhood to all black.Second thing the country is itself gigantic you cannot really understand why so many Americans appear not to really know what the world is like until you understand just how large this country is.Best moment for me was walking out of the house we rented and having horizon left and right.Also the vista you get if you drive along the highway with 360 degrees horizon that is something else. I believe thats also where the whole American dream/everything is possible here thing comes from because I really expected aliens to come down at some point. (hey it was the 90′s i was young and you had x-files)

 Glad you enjoy your hilarity! Barry married a woman that was never proud of America, as “an adult”. I guess that when she was dreaming of unicorns and pixie dust, she had respect??? Respect for that? Bite me. God damn respect for a man whose preacher and wife hate America, fool.

 2) Regulators are never the problem; a dearth of regulations always must be.
If a teacher is at fault, a train operator sleeps, or a Wall Streeter
loots, it is never because an administrator was lax, a supervisor chose
to overlook drug use, or an auditor was incompetent. Instead, the common
culprit was that we did not have enough laws. If Sarbanes-Oxley and
Dodd-Frank did not preclude the career of a Jon Corzine, then we need
far stronger statutes than both. If a gun is smuggled by ten idling TSA
operators, then we need more and better full-body X-ray scanners. There
are lots of odd mentalities at work here: the more poorly educated and
inept are our regulators, the more we turn to regulations per se to make
up the deficiencies — guaranteeing even more so that the regulators
cannot wade through the accruing paperwork. While it is considered
illiberal to fault employees as incompetent, it is considered very
liberal to cite the shocking absence of yet another law.

 The other 9 commandments on the Barn Wall here:

Ten Commandments for Our New Century

If you think our quiet lives of desperation can sometimes become a
bit much, relax. Here are some guidelines to soothe your frustration — a
few commandments that make sense out of today’s nonsense.

http://pjmedia.com/victordavishanson/the-new-commandments-on-the-barn-wall/?singlepage=true

Which costs more, Ricky, a society where no one takes responsibility and pays for their own actions, because others are forced to, or one where people are rewarded for hard work and accomplishment? Liberals cannot even talk about it without getting their panties in a bunch, now can they? I find that pathetic. Not hilarious, not sad. Pathetic.

You get the point, but still cannot answer? LOL. Chickensh!t. It’s news to Maddow that the Dutch find Santorum offensive. A legitimate question is how would they find your beloved Barry on abortion compared to their own stance, for instance?

The Dutch are proud of thier country. What would the Dutch think of a population of sheep that knew that Barry’s wife was never even proud of the country she got everything from, and yet still voted for him???

This whole story is on what the Dutch think of a man who is NOT president of our country. You’d think you sheep would be more concerned about thier feeling on the man WHO IS president. We get your point. You’re as embarrassed of the community organizer as anyone with half a brain would be, and hate being called on it? LOL.

You missed my whole point….nitwit…..Read my lips:
I…..DON’T….CARE!!!!

Is that clear enough for you?

 Apologizing to murderers who murder over a book printed by men, is cowardice and a sign of sickness, not weakness. Did I say weakness? I apologize if I have. A PhD from a liberal school is still a PhD from a liberal school. Garbage in is garbage out. She loaded up on extra heapings is all.

Not being “really proud” of your country is not the same same as hating your country.  I was never proud of this country during Reagan, Bush and Bush’s war mongering, and job displacement years. That in no means says that I hate my country.  Something you either refuse to understand, or are willing to misrepresent with more lies.

But then again, if we’re not willing to throw away thousands of American soldier’s lives, and want to see them safe at home instead of being wasted on wars for oil profits, we’re not supporting our troops huh NDanielson?  Bite me yourself.   

And deregulation stopped Enron, the Savings and Loan scandal, WorldCom, oil prices.. and every national financial crisis we’ve had since the 80′s right including this latest mess we’re finding ourselves in?

Regulations saved us in the late 1800′s, early 1900′s, the 1930′s.. but since 1980, Republicans have been killing all those reforms.  Tell me NDanielson, if deregulation was so good.. why did we have a meltdown under Bush? 
 
But you don’t care.  NDanielson… you’re bought and paid for dude.. only you don’t know it yet. 

 What I don’t understand , if you are a committed Christian that cares about the well being of the elderly.How can you accept people sometimes as old as 80+ years working as janitors in  supermarkets in order to pay for the medicines he and his wife need? I think it’s sort of disturbing you have a candidate that apparently out of Christian teachings thinks people should continue to toil well into old age without any state assistance while at the same time promising them a long and painful death when they eventually get terminally ill.from all the hard labor.That is what is really disturbing about someone like Santorum and the Christian right in the US.They have their supposed Christian principles in the wrong order.Instead of looking up right wing propaganda screeds about euthanasia practices in the Netherlands why not type in ” Netherlands pension system”  instead ?

That doesn’t mean the care of the elderly in the Netherlands is perfect btw in fact I kind of admire Islamic culture for the way they are taught to take care of them in old age.One of the few Qu’ranic verses I like deals with that issue.And it talks about how one should take care of ones parents as they become like children again as they took care of you when you were a child.It’s a nice sentiment. On the other hand of course the practice can sometimes be brutal if you just leave unqualified individuals to take care of their own elderly parents without supervision.That can actually lead to abuses.But the basic premise is, I think a nice one as long as one keeps oversight that abuses and neglect don’t occur.One area where I admire Islamic culture over Western culture where sometimes and often we don’t take care of our parents and elderly as we should.

BTW 82ndsgt as a nickname seems to suggest you are somehow linked to the 82nd airborne division did you know your former leading commander Petraeus is of Dutch (Frisian) origins? His father was a merchant captain that decided to stay in the US and found a wife when the Netherlands was occupied by the Nazi’s.We have a lot of the same stock here.Fine soldiers but the Netherlands rather spend money on social care then on weapons of war.Hospitals not aircraft carriers or stealth bombers.If you are a soldier you should ask yourself that if your government and tax dollars can build the finest soldiers and military equipment why can’t it build the finest hospitals? If you can surgically guide a cruise missile  through the window of a bunker why can’t you do the same in a operation room to cure cancer? Screaming Eagles have a great history btw love reading stuff about their exploits.

 You know that would be a great thing for the US if it cured cancer. It’s like the last great thing was going to the moon , it’s much better to focus on something like curing cancer then killing illiterate Muslims and minding/guarding them while they really don’t like you and have nothing in common with you turning Iraq and Afghanistan into a US colony just wasn’t possible but Petreaus sure did the best job of all US commanders in Iraq.He got closest. Im not sure if that is good or bad…ow yeah..and erhm..whats his name the pro-consul installed by the US in Iraq..he actually spoke Dutch Bremer. I’m not sure if he was of Dutch origins or if he had just been ambassador for quite a long time or both.Fun guy but also useless in the Iraqi reality.

 BTW 82nd was in Operation Market Garden , I was like why do I like/know/admire these guys again? Ow yeah they did a little something called Operation Market Garden. Duh! Forget re-colonizing Iraq or Afghanistan they were right there killing Nazi’s left and right and crossing those damn rivers and bridges.In the Netherlands people tend to really focus on the Canadians because they in the end liberated the Western/Northern parts of the Netherlands but yeah..in the Netherlands itself it’s always been considered that operation market garden was somehow betrayed to the Nazi’s hence they had the SS division station there.It wasn’t coincidence.But no one ever proved it. I think it’s real though.Too many Dutch Nazis’ and collaborators.Just too nice to have a well equipped SS divisions right there shooting people as they came down in their  parachutes.

We are 27th in the world in health care results. The Dutch do it better. Or do you plan on stopping kicking sooner than necessary? Forms of socialized medicine produces better results, for one-half the cost, per capita.

Perhaps you have a death wish, after all. You just want our for-profit medical system to do it for you.

 Considering you have requested for Dutch views on Obama’s vote for an ‘infanticide’  law an at least 3 or more occasions. Let me help you out: 

Why would I believe anything a Republican says or accuses a Democrat guilty of?

On at least *three* different occasions have republicans LIED about my country’s laws and/or statistics to such a horrifying extent that my stomach nearly turned.  You lost any and all credibility long ago, if you even had any to begin with.

It is very unclear about exactly what Obama voted for. Forgive me if I find the believability of your general US media to be very poor. Some people claim he voted for the possibility of third term abortion, others that he seemingly agrees on letting unwanted newborns die.  I’m sceptic.
Because the verification of FACTS would require me to read the actual bill, I will pass up on any judgment, good or ill on the matter.

But as we know here in the Netherlands all too well, republicans like to talk trash about others, conveniently unhindered by any knowledge or facts. 

The audible gasps of the, shall we say it, sheepish, audience said enough. They do not even remotely question if there are any truths to Santorum’s scandalous claims made towards the US’s longest standing ally to date.

The rest of the world doesn’t take your bullshit for granted, sorry.

Obama over Santorum any day.  The world is not waiting for morons like Santorum to poison foreign politics with their blatant, insulting ignorance. 

If you know the stats so well, how come you don’t seem to know the percentage of women having a late-term-abortion in the United States is much higher than the percentage of Dutch women having a late-term-abortion? In the USA, 1,4% of the abortions are conducted at or after 21 weeks. Against 0,8% in the Netherlands. It’s ok to have a strong opinion, just make sure you get your facts right.