It’s an old one, BUT, you could put a $2000 suit on
Michael Moore and he would still look like a bum.

Why does anyone put this blubbering lard of crap on tv?

Whatever, but dear God, I hope I never see an image of Michael Moore in a pink tutu.

OH, GOD, THE IMAGE!! UGGHHHHHHH!!

The lunatic-left scumbags are now dissing their once-and-forever beloved, magnificent Messiah

I’M LOVING IT!

BilL Mahrer and Michael Moore are scumbags. They are not Democrats. Mahrer is a racist for always suggesting PBO become a Black stereotype.
Michael Moore has done his best to make sure he gets his millionaire tax cut. He sure got the boxing gloves on to help the Dems in Michigan win this past election.
They both can go to hell.

“It is unclear why Maher cannot respect the Tea Party movement and other independent Americans who, most of the time, have been informed and motivated by their own equal disappointment with the current administration.”

Although they are definitely motivated by their disappointment with the administration, Maher’s whole point is that they are NOT properly informed, and that is what leads to their ass backwards voting habits. (Sorry about the animosity, but it seems that conservatives say such mean things on these threads…so fuck you).

Maher had a really good segment on Friday where he thanked the conservative voters for protecting the estate tax even though it will benefit almost none of them because when he dies he will get to leave all of his money to pro-marijuana, pro-gay, pro-socialist and pro-everything not republican groups. It was pretty funny, and it really did point out the disconnect between conservative issues and the majority of the voters who support them.

truthrose1 said:
BilL Mahrer and Michael Moore are scumbags. They are not Democrats.

I’m sayin.’

TeaPartyPatriot said:
The lunatic-left scumbags are now dissing their once-and-forever beloved, magnificent Messiah I’M LOVING IT!

Do you ever have anything productive to say other than calling those on the other side “lunatic-left scumbags”?

Anything nice? Perhaps, “I don’t like President Obama, but he seems like a good father.” or “Hey, I strongly disagree with those on the left, but I don’t think they are scum of the earth.”

Or is it all just name calling with you?

g-ringy said:
Maher had a really good segment on Friday where he thanked the conservative voters for protecting the estate tax even though it will benefit almost none of them because when he dies he will get to leave all of his money to pro-marijuana, pro-gay, pro-socialist and pro-everything not republican groups. It was pretty funny, and it really did point out the disconnect between conservative issues and the majority of the voters who support them.

Maher will die penniless stuck to drain in the Playboy grotto, his dick in one hand and a bottle of vodka in the other..

stoogedudes said:

I don’t think logic and manners exist on the internet.

timzank said:
Maher will die penniless stuck to drain in the Playboy grotto, his dick in one hand and a bottle of vodka in the other..

Sounds good to me.

stoogedudes said:
Anything nice? Perhaps, “I don’t like President Obama, but he seems like a good father.” or “Hey, I strongly disagree with those on the left, but I don’t think they are scum of the earth.”

“I disagree with you but I’m pretty sure you’re not Hilter.”

fuck I misspelled Hitler…I suck.

and actually I do agree with you, and I’m pretty sure your name isn’t Hilter either, but I can’t be sure.

g-ringy said:
fuck I misspelled Hitler…I suck.

ha!

Kird said:
I don’t think logic and manners exist on the internet.

I know, but it’s worth a shot, right? It can’t hurt.

But you’re right.

Yeah B.O take the darn thing off and stand on the side of the ordinary people who are just going by their day to day activities and trying to make ends meet.

stoogedudes said:
I know, but it’s worth a shot, right? It can’t hurt.

But you’re right.

“. . . no need for greed or hunger . . . the brotherhood of man . . .”

I think the proper question is , why aren’t people informed. Obama and the Dems have made significant mistakes in communication but as it just a bad choice or a sign of deeper corruption in both parties.

How does one party begin to seriously address our problems while hanging on to their own corruption? I don’t think they can. In the meantime pundits want to argue over who is the worst of two corrupt parties and citizens eagerly participate, somehow excusing corruption in the party that pretends to represent their interests.

It’s a bit of, “Thank you sir may I have another” that the public plays.

timzank said:
Maher will die penniless stuck to drain in the Playboy grotto, his dick in one hand and a bottle of vodka in the other..

How long does it take to type something like that one handed?

Kird said:
I don’t think logic and manners exist on the internet.

Oh they exist. You just have to be selective and patient.

I used to post a lot on a board that had specific rules that I appreciated and learned a lot from.

No personal attacks , and a general guideline of “don’t be a jerk” which covered several things.
There was also an expectation that if you made a claim you would be asked for credible evidence to support it. Nobody forced you to, but since it was the expectation , if posters refused they were far less credible and often ignored. A debate form of “put up or shut up”

It really encouraged decent informed debate and I learned a lot because people with knowledge and evidence would hang out and have good discussions.
It’s hard to resist being sarcastic and a little mocking sometimes considering some of the comments here, but that board taught me something about what a real discussion is.

Michael Moore makes a good point. There are probably plenty of idiots on this forum that think they are future millionaires, unfortunately for them, they are the least likely.

CosmosDan said:
Oh they exist. You just have to be selective and patient.

Well, ya: but what percentage of the internet is selective and patient? a lot of guys and gals from high school used to keep up a discussion board which focused on the different world views of people who grew up together, and we were real because we knew each other in real life. But then we moved on.

Fact: The liberal dynamic duo of Bill Maher and Michael Moore want to rip off Ozero’s pink tutu. Butt darts all around for the Winnie spanking Three Amigo’s.

Cosmos Dan…you’re so right…I’ve tried to say that several times on this site but it’s never been printed. The reason the middle class doesn’t vote for the dem’s is cause they know somehow or another they’ll get screwed with taxation. Facts are the rich will always be able to hide their money and or buy politicians to support their interests. The democrates don’t support the working middle class. They support Welfare and government which in many ways is the same thing. They also seem to think that higher taxation will solve all of our problems and it won’t. Do our schools really need more money…when this country pays more per student than any other? We have a social problem —With the failing students it’s not cool to go to school or to be smart. You can bring a horse to water but you can’t make it drink…..but let’s blames the teachers….not the parents!!! And that’s the problem. A person should have to get a liscense to have a child because there are so many morons breeding and we get to pick up the tab for them with no strings attached. For those on Welfare..it has taken away their dignity and their pride. And they’ve gotten the attitude that somehow the rest of us owe them a living. Every able bodied man or woman on welfare should have to work…They have a responsiblity to contribute for the help they get from those who work and help them. And yes there are some people who do make soo much money that they could and should be taxed more. And Bill is right…we should have an estate tax…and people who make a million or more should not collect social security and medicare. And government employees should not be able to unionize ….they can actually jeopradize the health of the country as well as those in the working class that don’t work for government. And why aren’t all state and federal workers and representatives on the same social security and medicare programs that the rest of us are on????? There’s so much nonsense and unfairness that goes on inthis country and that’s why we’re going to fall apart. These are the kinds of things Maher should be talking about.

“One really has to sympathize with the President these days, as it seems he cannot win friends anywhere.”

That’s what happens when you pretend to be everything to everyone. You end up nothing to no one.

I hate it when I have to agree with Michael Moore, but he is right. Obama has been timid and amateurish at every turn, except when he is being divisive. He never had any input in the health care debate. He let subordinates carry the ball, and we ended up with a plan no one like and one that we cannot afford. Now he has shot his political wad and can’t fix the economy. Ahmadinejad and Chavez have him figured for a big sissy like Jimmy Carter was. It is time for the adults to run government again. Youth of the country, take heed at what happens when you vote for someone just because you “like” them. I can’t believe we went from Bush to this guy. Both are total incompetents.

Rodney Dangerfield has some serious competition in the “Don’t get no respect” category. Maybe the Nobel Prize Committee will recognize President Obama in that category too.

Michael Moore giving fashion tips? HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Just4thefax said:
Fact: The liberal dynamic duo of Bill Maher and Michael Moore want to rip off Ozero’s pink tutu. Butt darts all around for the Winnie spanking Three Amigo’s.

why do typical anti-obama idiots follow the rush limbaugh rules of making stuff and posting the word FACT on it so stupid people will believe them.

sarainitaly said:
“One really has to sympathize with the President these days, as it seems he cannot win friends anywhere.” That’s what happens when you pretend to be everything to everyone. You end up nothing to no one.

sara I never heard Obama axtually say that he was everything to everyone. Are you reading peoples minds again.

sarainitaly said:
“One really has to sympathize with the President these days, as it seems he cannot win friends anywhere.”

That’s what happens when you pretend to be everything to everyone. You end up nothing to no one.

I get sick and tired of hearing this crap. Obama never promised anyone he could do everything or be everything. He ran his campaign on the idea of *we* can do it not *I* can do it. Just like you conservatives to spin it by claiming he was looked upon himself as some sort of messiah. Many times he stated he could not do it alone. Get off the rhetoric, its old and worn out.

RobDavis said:
I get sick and tired of hearing this crap. Obama never promised anyone he could do everything or be everything. He ran his campaign on the idea of *we* can do it not *I* can do it. Just like you conservatives to spin it by claiming he was looked upon himself as some sort of messiah. Many times he stated he could not do it alone. Get off the rhetoric, its old and worn out.

June 3, 2008:
“The journey will be difficult. The road will be long. I face this challenge with profound humility, and knowledge of my own limitations. But I also face it with limitless faith in the capacity of the American people. Because if we are willing to work for it, and fight for it, and believe in it, then I am absolutely certain that generations from now, we will be able to look back and tell our children that this was the moment when we began to provide care for the sick and good jobs to the jobless; this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal; this was the moment when we ended a war and secured our nation and restored our image as the last, best hope on earth. This was the moment—this was the time—when we came together to remake this great nation so that it may always reflect our very best selves and our highest ideals.”

Does this sound like a man who “never promised anyone he could do everything or be everything”?

sasha said:
Cosmos Dan…you’re so right…I’ve tried to say that several times on this site but it’s never been printed. The reason the middle class doesn’t vote for the dem’s is cause they know somehow or another they’ll get screwed with taxation.

The middle class actually got a tax cut under Obama. The problem was he did it in a way that was best for taxpayers rather than a political ad. Rather than send a separate rebate check it shows up as more take home pay and a bigger refund for those getting one.

sasha said:
They also seem to think that higher taxation will solve all of our problems and it won’t.

I doubt anybody thinks that.

sasha said:
Do our schools really need more money…when this country pays more per student than any other? We have a social problem —With the failing students it’s not cool to go to school or to be smart. You can bring a horse to water but you can’t make it drink…..but let’s blames the teachers….not the parents!!! And that’s the problem.

There certainly is an issue with parents responsibility, but it’s also a fact that there is a vast inequity in facilities

sasha said:
A person should have to get a liscense to have a child because there are so many morons breeding and we get to pick up the tab for them with no strings attached. For those on Welfare..it has taken away their dignity and their pride. And they’ve gotten the attitude that somehow the rest of us owe them a living. Every able bodied man or woman on welfare should have to work…

We certainly need some welfare reform and try not to encourage generational dependence. It seems odd to me that often conservatives oppose welfare , but are also anti abortion, meaning society would have about a million or so more babies every year.
The other thing to consider is the problems at the other end of the spectrum, namely corporate greed that helped lead to the financial fix we’re in.

sasha said:
And yes there are some people who do make soo much money that they could and should be taxed more.

A reasonable progressive tax is not a bad thing or detrimental to business. Our tax system is far to complicated allowing a lot of tax sheltering and loopholes.

disenlightened said:
Does this sound like a man who “never promised anyone he could do everything or be everything”?

Yes, actually that’s exactly what it sounds like. I assume we’re reading the same thing since you posted it. It’s entirely about the American people rising to face challenges together.

disenlightened said:
June 3, 2008:
“The journey will be difficult. The road will be long. I face this challenge with profound humility, and knowledge of my own limitations. But I also face it with limitless faith in the capacity of the American people. Because if we are willing to work for it, and fight for it, and believe in it, then I am absolutely certain that generations from now, we will be able to look back and tell our children that this was the moment when we began to provide care for the sick and good jobs to the jobless; this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal; this was the moment when we ended a war and secured our nation and restored our image as the last, best hope on earth. This was the moment—this was the time—when we came together to remake this great nation so that it may always reflect our very best selves and our highest ideals.”

Does this sound like a man who “never promised anyone he could do everything or be everything”?

I see a whole lot of *we* in there. Only a blind person could not.

and what part of “knowledge of my own limitations” do you not understand?

Maher is pissed because he can’t not speak with authority when he says Americans are too dumb because he frequently says stupid things. Moore is pissed the progressive nanny state keeps on trying to regulate his fatty foods diet.

g-ringy said:
Although they are definitely motivated by their disappointment with the administration, Maher’s whole point is that they are NOT properly informed, and that is what leads to their ass backwards voting habits. (Sorry about the animosity, but it seems that conservatives say such mean things on these threads…so fuck you).

Maher had a really good segment on Friday where he thanked the conservative voters for protecting the estate tax even though it will benefit almost none of them because when he dies he will get to leave all of his money to pro-marijuana, pro-gay, pro-socialist and pro-everything not republican groups. It was pretty funny, and it really did point out the disconnect between conservative issues and the majority of the voters who support them.

What you liberals don’t understand is that it is NOT an issue of being “properly informed.”

Implicit in your argument is the assumption that someone with modest income somehow benefits when someone with a high income is taxed, whether its through income taxation or estate taxation. You buy into that assumption because you think that government is an a priori good–the more of it the better.

Conservatives don’t believe that more government is a good thing, regardless of who is paying for it. If you tax a rich person, it hurts both the rich person and the person of average income. The rich person has the fruits of their labor confiscated, and the person of average income has a larger, more bloated government to deal with.

Moreover, why is giving more money to government a better thing? The rich person who is taxed less will either spend the money or invest it. Either of those activities drive economic growth. Government, on the other hand, will spend it less efficiently, such as on distortions of the free market like the mythological “green” jobs or those “shovel ready” projects that we now know never really existed.

Now, I don’t care if you disagree with this analysis. If you want to argue that funding government is always better than allowing private distribution of capital in the free market, fine by me–let’s have that debate. But instead of having that debate, liberals claim that conservative are stupid/dumb/uniformed because we don’t buy into their assumptions about what is best for us. That’s why they are losing the debate.

AnonymousFinch said:
What you liberals don’t understand is that it is NOT an issue of being “properly informed.” Implicit in your argument is the assumption that someone with modest income somehow benefits when someone with a high income is taxed, whether its through income taxation or estate taxation. You buy into that assumption because you think that government is an a priori good–the more of it the better. Conservatives don’t believe that more government is a good thing, regardless of who is paying for it. If you tax a rich person, it hurts both the rich person and the person of average income. The rich person has the fruits of their labor confiscated, and the person of average income has a larger, more bloated government to deal with. Moreover, why is giving more money to government a better thing? The rich person who is taxed less will either spend the money or invest it. Either of those activities drive economic growth. Government, on the other hand, will spend it less efficiently, such as on distortions of the free market like the mythological “green” jobs or those “shovel ready” projects that we now know never really existed. Now, I don’t care if you disagree with this analysis. If you want to argue that funding government is always better than allowing private distribution of capital in the free market, fine by me–let’s have that debate. But instead of having that debate, liberals claim that conservative are stupid/dumb/uniformed because we don’t buy into their assumptions about what is best for us. That’s why they are losing the debate.

Now Finch don’t act like Michele does when I ask a serious question I am not being snarky but I would like your take on what I hear a lot but don’t know if it is true. If someone like me (low income bracket) is given money like a rebate check or less taxes taken out that I (WE) will spend that money right away and which helps the economy. But if rich people get a tax break they either save it or invest it which doesn’t actually help the economy. We do know that there were not that many jobs created from the Bush tax cuts and for goodness sake I am still waiting for Regan’s trickle down to trickle down to me.

So help me here with some of your wisdom!

RobDavis said:
and what part of “knowledge of my own limitations” do you not understand?

Mr Davis I hate to say it but most Republicans don’t process their thoughts the same way many others do.

BlackWidow said:
But if rich people get a tax break they either save it or invest it which doesn’t actually help the economy.

That’s your mistake. Saving and investing most certainly does help the economy. That’s what makes capital available for new businesses, or old businesses that want to expand. That is exactly what is needed to fuel job creation.

BlackWidow said:
We do know that there were not that many jobs created from the Bush tax cuts and for goodness sake I am still waiting for Regan’s trickle down to trickle down to me.

I would gladly compare the 2 years after the Reagan tax cuts with the 2 years after the Bush tax cuts and the 2 years after the Obama stimulus.

BlackWidow said:
But if rich people get a tax break they either save it or invest it which doesn’t actually help the economy.

Out of curiosity, how do you think “investing” leads to a “return on investment”? Do you think you put a stack of money in a drawer and it magically grows into a larger stack? By definition, if you invest money and make money off of that investment, it is because it was put into the private economy and and created economic activity. If it doesn’t create economic activity, then it doesn’t grow. You can’t have investment growth without economic growth.

AnonymousFinch said:
Out of curiosity, how do you think “investing” leads to a “return on investment”? Do you think you put a stack of money in a drawer and it magically grows into a larger stack? By definition, if you invest money and make money off of that investment, it is because it was put into the private economy and and created economic activity. If it doesn’t create economic activity, then it doesn’t grow. You can’t have investment growth without economic growth.

Finch, these folks (above) still believe Obama math. 2+2= 787

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AnonymousFinch said:
What you liberals don’t understand is that it is NOT an issue of being “properly informed.”

Implicit in your argument is the assumption that someone with modest income somehow benefits when someone with a high income is taxed, whether its through income taxation or estate taxation. You buy into that assumption because you think that government is an a priori good–the more of it the better.

Conservatives don’t believe that more government is a good thing, regardless of who is paying for it. If you tax a rich person, it hurts both the rich person and the person of average income. The rich person has the fruits of their labor confiscated, and the person of average income has a larger, more bloated government to deal with.

Moreover, why is giving more money to government a better thing? The rich person who is taxed less will either spend the money or invest it. Either of those activities drive economic growth. Government, on the other hand, will spend it less efficiently, such as on distortions of the free market like the mythological “green” jobs or those “shovel ready” projects that we now know never really existed.

Now, I don’t care if you disagree with this analysis. If you want to argue that funding government is always better than allowing private distribution of capital in the free market, fine by me–let’s have that debate. But instead of having that debate, liberals claim that conservative are stupid/dumb/uniformed because we don’t buy into their assumptions about what is best for us. That’s why they are losing the debate.

I would pretty much agree with you here, except for the fact that the right also claim if they keep their tax breaks more jobs will be created. When you fully know they are not. They if anything are being outsourced or many manual labor jobs are being replaced by automation. Now I have no problem with progress as such, but where are people, humans, not machines going to work?

The fields to get into are maintenance/mechanics, computer technology and of course the medical and law enforcement. Which is what the young should be realizing and doing. But what of us that are in our 30′s and 40′s? with families to feed now.

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So much venom towards Obama, Maher and Moore… Obama had done more than he’s getting credit for and the repubs have done everything possible to thwart whatever Obama wants to do, good or bad. Moore is absolutely right, Obama just has to get tough and stop capitulating to the corporations. Maher is also correct in ‘taxing the rich’. It’s obscene that people who are blessed either through hard work or inheritance with zillions are getting away with paying a lower tax rate than average middle class people. How many times do we have to be reminded that this country had the greatest growth and prosperity when the tax rate for wealthy people was 50% higher than it is now. And the true sign of a failing society is when an increasing smaller number of people have a larger percentage of the GNP. Even enlightened billionaires like Buffett and Gates loudly proclaim that they should be paying higher taxes. How on earth can the RW continue to defend the indefensible. If you want a functioning government you must pay taxes, and it has to be done fairly.

lower tax rate, wrong

ganymede said:
How on earth can the RW continue to defend the indefensible. If you want a functioning government you must pay taxes, and it has to be done fairly.

It’s a nice concept. In reality the low man will be screwed anyway. If the majority of the greedy bastards have to pay it will only fall back on us. Raise the prices of their products, keep outsourcing jobs because its cheaper and not enough new jobs created. Either way we’re screwed.

Don’t you just luv Michael Moore telling us the “Democratic Socialist” party is working for the “people”.
Who does he think the Tea Party people are working for? Answer: the people.
Who do you go to when you need a job? Answer: probably a Republican.

Oh, and their final foolish words, usually blasting Fox News, which always has a variety of views, while having three far left lefties discussing issues like they’re the “sincere” ones. Puke!!

AnonymousFinch said:
What you liberals don’t understand is that it is NOT an issue of being “properly informed.” Implicit in your argument is the assumption that someone with modest income somehow benefits when someone with a high income is taxed, whether its through income taxation or estate taxation. You buy into that assumption because you think that government is an a priori good–the more of it the better. Conservatives don’t believe that more government is a good thing, regardless of who is paying for it. If you tax a rich person, it hurts both the rich person and the person of average income. The rich person has the fruits of their labor confiscated, and the person of average income has a larger, more bloated government to deal with. Moreover, why is giving more money to government a better thing? The rich person who is taxed less will either spend the money or invest it. Either of those activities drive economic growth. Government, on the other hand, will spend it less efficiently, such as on distortions of the free market like the mythological “green” jobs or those “shovel ready” projects that we now know never really existed. Now, I don’t care if you disagree with this analysis. If you want to argue that funding government is always better than allowing private distribution of capital in the free market, fine by me–let’s have that debate. But instead of having that debate, liberals claim that conservative are stupid/dumb/uniformed because we don’t buy into their assumptions about what is best for us. That’s why they are losing the debate.

You’re right. It is not an issue of being properly informed, it’s an issue of being purposely misinformed by the GOP and their allies in the media that somehow reducing taxes for the rich will benefit all. Yet while the average tax burden on the wealthy has been lowered substantially over the last 30 years, Social Security benefits, Unemployment benefits are now taxed. Many deductions that benefited the middle class have been reduced or eliminate. This is the government using the tax code to transfer wealth from the middle to the upper classes. Remember even John McCain refused to vote for the Bush tax cuts because he felt they were unfairly weighted to the rich.

And if you want to cut spending let’s start with the bloated military budget of $800 Billion a year. We could cut military spending by 2/3rds and still be spending more that Russia and China combined. Then we can spend some of that savings to pay down the debt and invest in rebuilding the crumbling infrastructure of this country. That will benefit everyone, rich and poor. Remember it was the new deal infrastucture projects of the 30s that helped to fuel the country’s economic health in the ’50s and 60s. The ‘free market’ doesn’t build road or bridges or railways, goverments do.

well we do pay our soldiers more

not 80 a month like china and russia

I get sick and tired of hearing this crap. Obama never promised anyone he could do everything or be everything. He ran his campaign on the idea of *we* can do it not *I* can do it. Just like you conservatives to spin it by claiming he was looked upon himself as some sort of messiah. Many times he stated he could not do it alone. Get off the rhetoric, its old and worn out.

not as worn out and tired as He inherited all of this mess,………sniff sniff, poor Barry prancing in his pink TU TU dont know what to do with his OWN DANM MESS

cjd ohio 1 said:
well we do pay our soldiers more

Yeah and that same govern’t that they laid their life down for, tour after tour is willing to throw them away, out in street, no job to get, lousy medical care, illnesses (like agent orange and god knows what else, that they refuse to acknowledge), legless, armless, mental health issues. Yeah they’re well compensated.

Shasta said:
not as worn out and tired as He inherited all of this mess,………sniff sniff, poor Barry prancing in his pink TU TU dont know what to do with his OWN DANM MESS

You need to separate fact and fiction.

i did mean it that way, i was talking about the budget in the above post. and i am a vet, i know the va hospital well, not really the best

cjd ohio 1 said:
i did mean it that way, i was talking about the budget in the above post. and i am a vet, i know the va hospital well, not really the best

I wasn’t exactly addressing it to you in a mean way. Just saying.

well cool, i dont think they are well compensated with the danders these kids face today, but the defense budget is a lot higher here because we do pay our military better, plus the shit they waste money on 4000.00 toilet seat shit

but damn rob you ran gordon off

cjd ohio 1 said:
but damn rob you ran gordon off

LOL…i think he’s doing a background check on me now.

u got a socialist dope from canada who says we were told u can grow up to be a millionare!!! da! its happen a million times…where do they find people to watch these commies talk about nothing worth listening to… what country are these unAmericans from???

I love it when commy libs start eating one another!!! real Americans who voted in the midterms made this happen!!!! lol!

demjerkoffs said:
u got a socialist dope from canada who says we were told u can grow up to be a millionare!!! da! its happen a million times…where do they find people to watch these commies talk about nothing worth listening to… what country are these unAmericans from???

demjerkoffs said:
I love it when commy libs start eating one another!!! real Americans who voted in the midterms made this happen!!!! lol!

Gordon says if you have a phony name and no picture you have no credibility. So…..

AnonymousFinch said:
Out of curiosity, how do you think “investing” leads to a “return on investment”? Do you think you put a stack of money in a drawer and it magically grows into a larger stack? By definition, if you invest money and make money off of that investment, it is because it was put into the private economy and and created economic activity. If it doesn’t create economic activity, then it doesn’t grow. You can’t have investment growth without economic growth.

Out of curiosity I didn’t know that and is why I was asking you. I realize this is more complex then my brain can understand..Arn’t the most jobs created by small busines? That doesn’t sound to me like the RICH. There is only a small portion of small busines that would be hurt by letting the tax on the rich expire. Something like two percent. Hey Finch is is always true that the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

AnonymousFinch said:
I would gladly compare the 2 years after the Reagan tax cuts with the 2 years after the Bush tax cuts and the 2 years after the Obama stimulus.

I’ll gladly compare apples to oranges
but since we’re talking about being informed here’s something I didn’t know.
http://www.pensitoreview.com/2010/07/02/reagan-raised-taxes-7-times/

Maher and Moore! Two of my fav left fringe loonies! I know I’ll enjoy the ride with these two windbags blowing!

AnonymousFinch said:
Now, I don’t care if you disagree with this analysis. If you want to argue that funding government is always better than allowing private distribution of capital in the free market, fine by me–let’s have that debate. But instead of having that debate, liberals claim that conservative are stupid/dumb/uniformed because we don’t buy into their assumptions about what is best for us. That’s why they are losing the debate.

I think part of the “not properly informed” issue is stereotypes of liberals and conservatives that are not accurate. Both sides are guilty on that count. The truth is that complex issues aren’t often broke down into a paragraph or a couple of campaign catch phrases.

Part of the uninformed issues is how the facts often don’t matter much to politicians or even the networks that call themselves news. Rather than honestly and fairly inform people they distort the truth.

BlackWidow said:
Out of curiosity I didn’t know that and is why I was asking you. I realize this is more complex then my brain can understand..Arn’t the most jobs created by small busines? That doesn’t sound to me like the RICH. There is only a small portion of small busines that would be hurt by letting the tax on the rich expire. Something like two percent. Hey Finch is is always true that the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.

One thing I realized lately that the term “small business” can be misleading. If you’re thinking of a restaurant owner, a garage owner, landscaper, all those things , that qualifies, but what also qualifies for tax purposes are individuals who are very well paid like Keith Olberman {who did a report on it} and things like small law firms who are not likely to hire new employees, investment firms, companies that serve largely as tax shelters.
What that translates into is the meme that raising taxes on the higher tax brackets will keep small businesses from hiring people is greatly exaggerated , and purposely so.

BlackWidow said:
sarainitaly said:
“One really has to sympathize with the President these days, as it seems he cannot win friends anywhere.” That’s what happens when you pretend to be everything to everyone. You end up nothing to no one.

sara I never heard Obama axtually say that he was everything to everyone. Are you reading peoples minds again.

RobDavis said:
I get sick and tired of hearing this crap. Obama never promised anyone he could do everything or be everything. He ran his campaign on the idea of *we* can do it not *I* can do it. Just like you conservatives to spin it by claiming he was looked upon himself as some sort of messiah. Many times he stated he could not do it alone. Get off the rhetoric, its old and worn out.

Did I say that he SAID it? What did I write? I said when you pretend to be everything to everyone. And yes he most certainly did. He pandered to everyone, and everyone. And now, everyone is mad at him because he didn’t fulfill their expectations. Perhaps it’s time for you to put down the koolaid and stop getting so defensive where Obama is concerned?

He pandered to everyone, and anyone.

stoogedudes said:
Do you ever have anything productive to say other than calling those on the other side “lunatic-left scumbags”? Anything nice? Perhaps, “I don’t like President Obama, but he seems like a good father.” or “Hey, I strongly disagree with those on the left, but I don’t think they are scum of the earth.” Or is it all just name calling with you?

Ask that again after you call out the likes of Real Royal King, Ted, iris, and Westlake for THEIR name calling.

sarainitaly said:
Did I say that he SAID it?

You implied as much by your post.

sarainitaly said:
He pandered to everyone, and everyone.

Please provide specifics.

sarainitaly said:
Did I say that he SAID it? What did I write? I said when you pretend to be everything to everyone. And yes he most certainly did. He pandered to everyone, and everyone. And now, everyone is mad at him because he didn’t fulfill their expectations. Perhaps it’s time for you to put down the koolaid and stop getting so defensive where Obama is concerned?

Sara (who loves America so much she lives in a foreign country where she benefits from government healthcare) is caught lying again.

Bush says “blindsided”, and Obimbo says “it’s the other guys fault”. I consider both presidents weak. Neither have, or had the qualities necessary to use the office to it’s fullest capabilities. Bush was too narrow minded, and Obimbo is too caught up in his egotistical self to entertain alternatives that may have prove to be far Superior to his quasi-socialist agenda. Hopefully, the 2012 elections will bring us far Superior candidates to choose from. We cannot endure another lackluster presidency, devoid of commonsense.

RobDavis said:
You implied as much by your post.

Please provide specifics.

i said he pretended. He did.

he pandered to conservative christians down in SC with an anti-gay trio, he pandered to gays elsewhere, who all believed he was on their side. he pandered to the left about closing gitmo, ending DADT, DOMA…he’s fighting them in court. He pandered to wall street. He pandered to the Jewish community, and the Muslim world. He pandered to the Christian community, Mr. *Every Sunday at Church*… He pandered to African Americans. Healthcare…. The gay, the black, Jewish communities are all getting mad at him. Women are turning on him. Wall Street is turning on him. Members of his own party are turning on him. Israel is getting fed up with him, the Muslim world isn’t in love with him, either. He made all kinds of promises about NAFTA, and told Canada not to worry behind our backs. He attacked Bush on all kinds of things like Katrina, and totally blundered the efforts in NO oil spill. He pandered to the left about renditions and Gitmo, and wire tapping…ending the war. He made himself out to be bi-partisan, would work across the aisle, meanwhile they did healthcare behind closed doors. He promised C-Span coverage, bills would be posted online, open transparency. He made private deals with Pharma, with Unions, no C-Span, no time to view the bills – bills they didn’t even read.

He pretended, and promised a whole lotta things to appease all kinds of people.
So now he is nothing to no one.

JamesA1102 said:
Sara (who loves America so much she lives in a foreign country where she benefits from government healthcare) is caught lying again.

not quite, loverboy. now why don’t you go run and play with your Planet of the Apes action figures.

sarainitaly said:
He pretended, and promised a whole lotta things to appease all kinds of people.
So now he is nothing to no one.

You could say you’ve made some valid points if his term was over. Problem being we can’t have everything we want overnight or two years. Now when he is out of office and he hadn’t moved on these issues we can come back and discuss it. But you do realize it’s gonna take some give from the republicans as well, right?

sarainitaly said:
not quite, loverboy. now why don’t you go run and play with your Planet of the Apes action figures.

Sara (who loves America so much she lives in a foreign country where she benefits from government healthcare) is caught lying yet again and makes a weak comeback.

RobDavis said:
You could say you’ve made some valid points if his term was over. Problem being we can’t have everything we want overnight or two years. Now when he is out of office and he hadn’t moved on these issues we can come back and discuss it. But you do realize it’s gonna take some give from the republicans as well, right?

i think the points i made are all quite valid, since these events have actually happened.
Just some of his broken promises:
He promised Gitmo closed in one year.
Obama pledged that no lobbyists would work in his White House.
“No tax hikes of any kind for those making under $250k.”
“If you like your health care plan, you can keep it.”
He promised he would accept Campaign public financing .
Obama campaigned against individual health insurance mandates.
He said he would like to see an immigration reform bill pass by the end of 2009 or early 2010.
He promised ‘Sunlight Before Signing’
He promised earmark reform but passed the porkulus.
He said he would end income tax for seniors making less than $50,000
End no-bid contracts above $25,000
“Allow Americans to buy their medicines from other developed countries if the drugs are safe and prices are lower outside the U.S.”
Support human mission to moon by 2020
Create cap and trade system with interim goals to reduce global warming
Recognize the Armenian genocide

You certainly can’t have it in only two years if he flat out broke the promise.

JamesA1102 said:
Sara (who loves America so much she lives in a foreign country where she benefits from government healthcare) is caught lying yet again and makes a weak comeback.

yea, cuz your comebacks are so flippin witty…

sarainitaly said:
yea, cuz your comebacks are so flippin witty…

Sara (who loves America so much she lives in a foreign country where she benefits from government healthcare) for once speaks the truth!!!! I’m very flippin witty!!! LOL!

sarainitaly said:
i think the points i made are all quite valid, since these events have actually happened.Just some of his broken promises:He promised Gitmo closed in one year.Obama pledged that no lobbyists would work in his White House.“No tax hikes of any kind for those making under $250k.”“If you like your health care plan, you can keep it.”He promised he would accept Campaign public financing .Obama campaigned against individual health insurance mandates.He said he would like to see an immigration reform bill pass by the end of 2009 or early 2010.He promised ‘Sunlight Before Signing’He promised earmark reform but passed the porkulus.He said he would end income tax for seniors making less than $50,000End no-bid contracts above $25,000“Allow Americans to buy their medicines from other developed countries if the drugs are safe and prices are lower outside the U.S.”Support human mission to moon by 2020Create cap and trade system with interim goals to reduce global warmingRecognize the Armenian genocide You certainly can’t have it in only two years if he flat out broke the promise.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/

Shasta said:
Obama never promised anyone he could do everything or be everything.

-0bama continually spoke of himself in the royal “we;” which was taken by his sycophants as a deified message. Hell, several in the black community referred to him as “the chosen one.” His remarks about fundamentally transforming this country had his acolytes believing that they would soon be eternally thriving on free Bubble-Up and Rainbow Stew. A lot of people got suckered in by the empty rhetoric and are now experiencing voter’s regret. Some of the regretful ones are hiding behind the facade of denial; I pity them the most.

-0bama (and his regime) have done all within their power to blame others for their failure, and now that those who supported him are no longer buying that excuse, they are pushing back with the mantra of “you just don’t understand.”

The trouble is, people DO understand; they understand that they backed a loser–a charlatan–but even still, they are reluctant to admit their misplaced trust.

I found it interesting that today some Democratic analysts are calling on -0bama not to run in 2012. Do you realize just how HUGE that is? Calling for a sitting president to not run for reelection hasn’t occurred since Lyndon Johnson!!!!!

Personally, I never expected -0bama to “fix” everything wrong in this country, but I did expect that he not make matters worse. In my view, he has FAILED and MISERABLY so.

JamesA1102 said:
http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/promises/rulings/promise-broken/