This is gonna backfire on Hoffa and Obama….what a pathetic excuse of a human being these folks are.  I watched a second of obama and had to switch the channel – he is such a big fat (well skinny) loser claiming if you are not union you aren’t a worker.
What a pathetic bunch of thugs….this is Obama team – wanting to kill anyone who stands in their way.  And Obama buys into this level of threat.  Shameful

I guess this means the Tea Party is within it’s rights to say that they can put Jimmy Hoffa Jr. in the bottom of the Meadowlands……Just Saying.

Love the hypocrisy of the left.

it’s incredible – this is how the President of the United States is now introduced? Really? This is what is has come to? Everyone – please go rent “Idiocracy” bets documentary of the last decade

Neither Hoffa or Palin is running for president.  But really amusing his how thin skinned the rightwingers.  They’ve spent the last three years calling names, issuing threats, playing word games, forming Minutemen (a/k/a child killers) – and Jimmy Hoffa says this and they claim all they want is a Kumbaya.  Pathetic bunch of hypocrites they are.

“best” – not “bets” – hope Hoffa and his union crew don’t have my knees snapped for that one

In Warning To Tea Party, Jimmy Hoffa Jr. Says: ‘Let’s Take These Sons of Bitches Out’

And of course , the ” punk in the room ” King Obama denounced that crap immediately .
 

Fact: You are an idiot! Palin is a fine conservative and on the complete other end of the spectrum you have that union thug Hoffa. You should say no to the meds your on.

Better than a bullet in the head from a deranged wingnut.

Fact: Unions are for losers who don’t want to be evaluated for their worth!

As Shakespeare said in King Lear:

“Mine own President doth hath douchebag upon his diminishing soul.”

Edmund, King Lear, V, III, I 

Never did get that union job did you?Sour grapes for life.

And then Obama went on stage said ‘thanks’ and that he was ‘proud of him’.

What a classy bunch.

So that ‘new tone”…? Just for the  GOP, eh?

Union. Degenerate.Progressive. Pigfilth. —> All of them.

That is all. 

shut the fuck up

Fact: Obama is going to state that unions are going to put everyone back to work! He and Hoffa are both lunatics and jokes at the same time!

The last good Kennedy , Bobby , fought this thug’s father to have him put away .

And King Obama , with not an ounce of sense in that pinhead of his , appears onstage with Junior Hoffa , union thug .

Obama did himself a lot of damage today .

This kind of post is always amusing. SHAMEFUL!, PATHETIC EXCUSE FOR A HUMAN BEING! THUGS! TEAM OBAMA!

You sound like the biggest whiner out there, and if you think that’s the kind of attitude that can beat Democrats, you have some sad days ahead.

The Tea Party will literally undo all of America’s great achievements because their small little minds can’t comprehend a healthcare system that works, or an agency that makes sure companies don’t pollute the air.

THe Tea Partiers don’t want America to spend money … because Tea partiers themselves have no idea how to spend money and most are poor.. so they assume everyone is like them and can’t handle paying taxes, or keeping a job. Then they complain about welfare because they are actually jealous of welfare recipients (as if that didn’t explain enough all their ignorant attitudes XD). It’s hilarious how stupid they are and it’s fully embraced. 

I’m not sure why they stopped liking Palin, she is a great symbol of their party… no idea wtf she’s doing, only in it for money, uses the troops as a prop to defend herself… she is all of you.

Fact: I have they suck! Stole from me for 20 years! Took two years just to get them off my tit!

He speech from both sides,No different then gun sites on a campain map.

Never sought it, doucher! And never hire it, either!

Fact: You need that union crutch?

That he couldn’t remove himself or denounce those comments by Hoffa is a travesty. I hope that this administration goes down in history as the most worst racist ever seen!

Hey Bill- it’s not about being thin-skinned- it’s about calling out the left – oh excuse me – “progressives” (haha) for what they (you) are – a bunch of hypocritical, group-think sheeple that stand for nothing besides punishing successful individuals for being smarter than you and the rest of your ilk. You know Hoffa is just another junior member of the Obama goon squad but the good news is – the country is on to all of this crap – it’s has to drive you nuts that today, Perry, Romney and I’m betting even Palin could beat Oabma – he is an epic fail of unprecedented degree – the only people I pity are the ones that will have to “inherit” the hell has put forth – but i’m guessing they won’t whine nearly as he has about it.

So, you had a job for 20 years because of a union? Yeah they sound horrible, I bet non-union workers have jobs for MUCH longer..

Fact: Liberal think tank here! Hahahahahahahaaha………………………….

“It’s just a good thing I can’t pack a gun on the Senate floor.”  Sen. Tom Coburn (R-OK) 

What a pathetic bunch of thugs…. the GOP – wanting to kill anyone who stands in their way.  And the Right-wing buys into this level of threat.  Shameful

Sorry but a Rick Perry fan’s opinion is near-worthless XD

Lol, do you even know what unions are? Or are u aware of the fact unions were how Americans got safe working conditions. 

Nope, no clue, dumbass tea partier, forgot. 

Union thugs chased the good jobs overseas by overvaluing their own worth.

Union thugs have always insisted on giving a dime’s worth of effort for a dollar’s worth of pay.

Union thugs should all join this bastard’s father in ignominy and in a cement block under a building or bridge built by honest non-union workers. 
 

Sorry champ, but the Tea Party is actually among the
producers in America. Take a look at your base – the largest part of your
constituency – fuckin’ deadbeats and douchebags; true idiots in the purest
sense. You forever want to paint us in this caricature of your own divination – that we’re the idiots. But it’s bollocks! Your party is rife with actual idiots, incompetents,
drop-outs, criminals, deadbeats, and, really just the dependent refuse of
an army of pissed off assholes with shit-attitudes.The free ride is over, Duncan Munchkin. Hate on the Tea Party all you want, but they’re the only ones absolutely blameless for our 15 trillion in debt. Just check yourself. How many libs are either on the government dole or the government payroll? And you think things are equal or, worse, that the Tea Party is to blame. Champ, eat a bag of dicks.

September 5th, 2011 .

Obama lost any slight chance he may have had at reelection today . Any remaining sensible Dems will never vote for this punk .

Let’s see T.C. spin this .

Comparing thug Hoffa (his family knows a lot about ‘rubbing’ people out) to Palin is liberal fantasy BS.  Palin uses hunting metaphors because she is from an unapologetic hunting family and state.  Such remarks from a union thug has a much different context since there are countless examples of union thugs assaulting and/or threatening physical violence.  I’m not anti-union – I’ve actually been meaning (keep forgetting but will do now) to put Silkwood in my Netflix queue since I’d been thinking recently about how a dangerous work environment was covered up by a company and if not for employees sticking up for themselves the company would have gotten away with it. I don’t recall if a union was part of that, but if one existed at the site I would have expected them to be.  A union that represents the interests of its membership can be a good thing – too often it represents the interests of those financially benefiting from union activities  (not the members) and too often corrupts processes they are involved in, and way too often includes violence or threats of violence.

I guess the Libs didn.t get the memo after the Gifford tragedy that words can lead to violence. You won’t see any mention of this on the mainstream news tonight but if a conservative said the samething it would be the top story of the day.

Nothing better than some crazed laughter at the end of a post, so you know you’ve really unnerved the other side…. 

Fake laughter doesn’t get rid of the shame of being an idiot like you… keep laughing though, maybe people will just think you’re crazy.

Sour grapes, puby?

Our labor unions are not narrow, self-seeking
groups. They have raised wages, shortened hours and provided supplemental
benefits. Through collective bargaining and grievance procedures, they have
brought justice and democracy to the shop floor.

JOHN F. KENNEDY, speech, Aug. 30, 1960

Cept they weren’t gun sites or intended to insinuate as much, tool. Fail at apologising for the hate from your side.

The unemployed in this country called and said “shut up, we want to hear him talk.”

We still don’t have a healthcare system that works and Obamacare did nothing to change that except create a massive source of debt.And it was Obama who recently rolled back air pollution rules,another clear wimp move to help ensure re-election by drawing non base votes.I’m sure you were cheering like a school girl at a Justin Beiber concert when Maxine Waters called for a Trillion Dollar stimulus package.What is it about partisan ideologues that turns them into sheep?

Do you like an 8 Hour wok day. Thank the unions.

Jared Loughner reminds you to look for the union label.

Do you like an weekends. Thank the unions

The fact that you write shit you yourself don’t even believe earns you this cute little video:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tyLgYpYrguI

and the guy that shot Giffords was crazy – that had nothing to do with politics, you idiots!

Most low-paying jobs in America are done by minorities, immigrants and people that the GOP would like to expel from the country. So this idea that the old fat white people from the south are “the producers” is hilarious and a load of crap.

What do Tea Partiers produce exactly? I’m still sort of confused.. they support the GOP, who is actually sending jobs overseas (but just wait until Rush Limbaugh explains to you how this is good for America, then you will agree without questioning it right?).

You have no clue about the people you’re voting for. I’m still laughing about Tea Partiers being producers. Less than 200 tea Bagger showed up to the last Palin rally, not a whole lot of production there, just saying. 

Keep living in your dreamworld, sport.

It’s about time Obama brought out the unions to counter the white trash teabaggers, They want to bring a war to the working class lets take it to them and there sleezy, cutthroat, corporate, traitorous, overlords   

Actually your post describes the majority of “left wing-nuts” to a tee, and it probably describes some “right wing-nuts” also.  Hoffa is an extremist on the left, Palin is an extremist on the right but not near as graphic as Hoffa.

Most people, excluding you of course, understand that there are extremists on both sides of the fence and tend to ignore them.  You will have people who flock to the extremists and who have a habit of shouting so others hear them, you fall into this category.

American voters have seen what our President’s have done to the economy and life in general over the last 50 years or so.  A Republican gets elected and swings the boat to the right, a Democrat gets elected and swings the boat to the left.  All of these “swings” back and forth has taken a massive toll on the general public.   GW Bush swung the boat hard to the right, Obama has swung it hard to the left and damn near tipped the boat over.

Somewhere out there is someone who can right the boat without excessive swings either direction, maybe then the US will get back  on track.  That person may be Democrat or Republican, but it sure isn’;t Obama or few if any of the current Republican hopefuls.

Do you like being protected at a dangerous job? Thank a union.

hypocrite much?

What is it about organized labor that they have to act like they are part of organized crime?Why do they think alluding to violence will get their chosen candidates any votes beyond the ones they force their members to cast?

I’d be all for unions and organized labor if what they asked for was reasonable,but it never is.they always want more,higher pay than their contemporaries,better benefits,some times enough to kill or seriously hurt businesses (or like GM get them baled out by uncle sam).

It’s kind of interesting,you can use the word money or monkey in the monkey see monkey do quote and they would both apply here.

Unions are awesome if done well, you guys should look it up on wikipedia.

“Look over there!”

My only question:  When one of these nuts goes off and shoots a conservative will Hoffa do time for instigating violence against another person(s)?

Said from union pigfilth that probably can’t even get his size XXXXXXL matching t-shirt over his beer gut.

You call that “work?” LOL!

More like an 8 hour work week….fat shovel leaners! 

Some people make enough an hour they only need 8, they got there by studying at college and working hard.. something your lot are unaccustomed to.

That is irresponsible comment based in no fact and should be stricken from the record

Obama is likely being chewed out by William Daley and Axelrod right now , and being told that he had better distance himself from Junior Hoffa’s threats fast .

This is bad . The President is complicit in threats to the American people .

This pic was taken from WI debates. This could easily be Detroit. We see what the UAW has done to Detroit

http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/02/leftist.jpg

Trash. Utter pigfilth.

must be a typo…I think it’s Pubic, Texan!

Wow!! Really

We don’t have a  healthcare system that works because the GOP thinks people should be allowed to die without care…

something completely unheard of in the civilized world.. except America.

In the United States, Philadelphia carpenters went on strike in 1791 for the ten-hour day. By the 1830s, this had become a general demand. In 1835, workers in Philadelphia organized a general strike, led by Irish coal heavers. Their banners read, From 6 to 6, ten hours work and two hours for meals. Labor movement publications called for an eight-hour day as early as 1836. Boston ship carpenters, although not unionized, achieved an eight-hour day in 1842.
In 1864, the eight-hour day quickly became a central demand of the Chicago labor movement. The Illinois legislature passed a law in early 1867 granting an eight-hour day but had so many loopholes that it was largely ineffective. A city-wide strike that began on May 1, 1867 shut down the city’s economy for a week before collapsing. On June 25, 1868, Congress passed an eight-hour law for federal employees which was also of limited effectiveness. (On May 19, 1869, Grant signed a National Eight Hour Law Proclamation.[])

The Obama Union Stump Speech: “My fellow union activists: Your beneficent President, Barack H. Obama, hereby decrees by Executive Fiat:  1) Beginning today the national languages of the United Socialist States of Amerika will be Union Shop Talk and Hip-Hop Jive talk; 2)  All conservatives will be required to register at their local DMV’s if they wanna vote in 2012; 3) In the spirit of bipartisanship, hereafter I proclaim that all Republican primaries will be open to all citizens to vote their conscience, regardless to party affiliation, sexual orientation, race, color, creed, religious persuasion, legal documentation of citizenship and without having to provide proof of residency or a State issued driver license; and 4) Now, you all want that Obama money I been holdin’ on to, don’t you?  Of course you do, an’ I’m here to hand it out to all of my union friends and donors, community agitators and union label flag totin’ sycophants; and before the elections next year, you and I, and my activist community aggitating friends are gonna take to the streets and kick the livin’ daylights out them tea-baggin’ red necked homies. You likin’ that?  Well now, may God bless you all, and may God bless these Unionized United Socialist States of Amerika.”

What did you say? i couldn’t understand you with that corporate dick in your mouth.

For the love of God, can’t you write coherently. What the hell! This is shameful. 

You can’t have it both ways – either
we’re rich and heartless, or we’re white and stupid. What the Tea Party is all about is simple – earning one’s fair share. You can laugh it off that we’re not producers, but that’s inconsequential because you know that’s a meritless cheap shot. We actually have shit we’ve worked for and are worried about losing. And losing it to…well…losers. Let us see what the employment rate is among Tea Party adherents versus liberal democrats. 

It might be helpful if the constituents of the
Democrat party began to contribute more to the system than they take. For
example – WIC. Sure, it’s a nice program. It’s also expensive. Even in red
states it is the democrat voter that uses a disproportionate amount of WIC
funds. Welfare, housing assistance, education assistance, food stamps – all
programs used by people who vote Democrat is huge numbers. Why? Your party is
their cash-cow. How about jails? Jails are expensive to run. The average cost
per year to house a single person is roughly $30,000. Now, ask yourself, why
have democrat politicians tried FOR YEARS to get voting rights reinstated for
prisoners? Yup! Because a large majority of them would likely vote democrat.
Government jobs – paid for by taxpayers – are a HUGE attraction to the democrat
voter. Professors and teachers – funded by taxpayers – vote almost exclusively
democrat. You see, lad, your party has created a ponzi scheme that would make
Bernie Madoff, a big money supporter of mostly democrats, it would make Madoff
blush. You take tax payer money, funnel it to your menagerie of dependents, and
government employees, and union automatons to forever secure their vote, and
then you complain when we finally say enough! Well, my pedigree chum, the free
ride is over. My money really isn’t your money, as much as that sucks for you.

“Hip Hop Jive Talk”??   What planet are you from?   

Planet talk radio….where you try to pander to white fears by lumping Obama in with street thugs?

Get real.  Obama is calm, mild mannered, etc….far from ever being any kind of “thug”.

Talk your racist talk back to the right-wing echo chamber where it belongs.  Yes, I said racist…and no, I won’t apologize for calling it what it is.

woah good one, like genitals? Sweet joke. 

The Tea Party is a threat to the American people.  Screw you.

As I said Hate is coming from BOTH sides.

I bet they are shaking in their boots now. By the way recent polls shows that TP are the most despised across the political spectrum, even less popular than the GOP or the congress. 

Really? I graduated in 2000 with honers and on the Presidential Honer Role. How about you smartass?

PS… do you support the unions when they break someones legs? Set some one on fire? Kill a scab? Vandalize a school? When they… oh you get the point… don’t you?

Hmm. You seem *awfully* angry. Seems like you’d fit right in at that type of hateful rally.

Sorry you and yours are out of workable cogent arguments to convince voters to see things your way.

You do know that we’re a a center-right country and you’re fringe, right?

Just thought I’d let you know.

Sounds like some really great ‘community organizing’ is going on in Detroit.  LOL.

We finally get to hear someone on the left talk like a Teabagger….and only now do we get outcry from the Right.

Wow, who knew that the calendar days of Saturday and Sunday came from unions?  Interesting…

Hoffa is right.   Take these sons of bitches out…out of office (not kill them).

Fact: No because I went to college. Never herd of a union college. If they do it teaches you to stand around and wait to be told what to do!

Yeah, those cops and fireman are being protected real well…those union-made Star Trek-like “shields” really do the trick. 

Fact: Can someone interpret this guys post. I lost my skyfet decoder ring.

Which American people?   Last I checked, there are two parties in this country…..or do you just mean Teabaggers?

The Tea Party is an endangered species….they’re just extra pissy and loudmouthed these days because they know their kind is a dying breed.

Fact: Unions suck and only protect the worthless among us!

 In 1929 the Amalgamated Clothing Workers of America was the first union to demand a five-day work week and receive it. After that, the rest of the United States slowly followed, but it wasn’t until 1940 that the two-day weekend began nationwide

Unions are a species of dinosaur that have outlived their usefulness and need to go extinct. Big Labor has been waging war against the businesses that employ them for decades. They don’t really care about the worker, they only care about power.

Fact: Your right unions need ten to do the job of two non union workers. Obama might be on to it in his jobs speech.

heheh  he said “honer”.  Come on, tat.  I agree with your general point, but if you’re really someone on an “honor” roll, you have to spell it correctly.

Fact: Libs on a role now…. hahahahahaahaha…………..

Do we like lazy, unskilled automatons that are protected no matter how incompetent or mindless they are? thank a union

Community Organizing….isn’t that what the Tea Party did?

seems like some of your here seem to be talking about the wrong Hoffa..  Keep up with the times.. unions are NOT evil, union workers are NOT uneducated, union reps are NOT thugs!   I am a female union employee and am proud to several degree’s.   

Fact: No they hold a large part of my pension but I don’t count on it because they keep spending my pension money on losers like Obama!

Community organizing is exactly what the democratic process is about.  

It’s leadership.  It’s getting people engaged in the issues and petitioning your government for change. Pretty damn American to me.  

Apparently getting involved in one’s community is something that the Right feels deserves to be mocked.

Well shit!! There ya go right there!
You are one fart smeller!
I mean smart feller!
scuse me!

Know I know why your just4thefax amd not just4thefacts……. Sorry, Sometimes I can’t behave myself. My apoligies dear Sir.

How could any civilized human care to be associated with such animalis as the Teamsters, SEIU, etc.

No people don’t have healthcare insurance because Obama never had a plan to generate jobs, which would have given them insurance. Flowery speeches yes, policies and ideas to get this nation back on track, not so much.

Can you give us an example of a Tea Party member acting like this thug?

I think maybe you are in for a surprise…  The tea party is actually spliting the rep. party.    Keep up the good work, us Dem. love it.

Really???

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPQjnPhIvDo

No, that’s Obama’s gig.

Fact: Can someone decode what this idiot is spewing?
What is this guy trying to write? Skyfet is the reason English should be the one and only
national language.

Nope.  Tea Party = Community organizing on the Right.

you mean Matthews, Maddow, and Olbermann lied to us?!

Perhaps if the CEO’s and the Right stops waging war against the people who help make them wealthy,THEN the workers will be quiet.

Yeah Oscar, a lot of people are puppets. No mind of their own,   no sense of  personal gain or achievement or accomplishment. Mealy mouse it through life whining, whimpering – not fair not fair ! me to me to !. Pretty sad being at the bottom of class from kindergarten on. Is this racist oscar_leroy ?

So tell me: of the four parts to the stump speech, what part do you not agree with?

And by proud do you mean scared shitless to see your gravy train coming
to an end?

Yeah, it must be *real hard* working four-five hours out of an eight
hour workday. No ability to get fired. Merit raises just because and
only the best health care. Yeah, we’re feeling real sorry for you. Or
not.

You’re union? Yeah look at Detroit. That is what YOUR people have done.
Congratulations. You’re part of that and proud? Seek help.

here’s your typical union worker:
http://www.mediaite.com/online/reporter-catches-union-auto-workers-drinking-and-smoking-at-lunch/

Not sure what you mean by a union college, most of the instructors where I went to college are UNIONIZED and pround of it..   I have also taking many labor classes,  classes in labor history and labor relations.. Is that what you have not heard of?   Many colleges have many labor classes as well as polical history etc.  Maybe its time you went back to school and take a few.  
You can “herd” your butt to class and be “heard” then. 

Boo hoo.   It’s just sooo excessive for union workers to be able to negotiate for their salary like any white-collar worker can.   That’s just sooo unreasonable.

Boo hoo.   It’s just sooo excessive for union workers to be able to negotiate for their salary like any white-collar worker can.   That’s just sooo unreasonable.

Boo hoo.   It’s just sooo excessive for union workers to be able to negotiate for their salary like any white-collar worker can.   That’s just sooo unreasonable.

It’s amazing how unions are determined to make enemies of half the country.  This is the beginning of the end for them.

It’s amazing how unions are determined to make enemies of half the country.  This is the beginning of the end for them.

Our gangster president in again in bed with the union thugs.

Today, as most days when he’s NOT on a taxpayer-funded vacation, partying in the White House or playing golf, NO-PLAN OBOZO is at a UNION RALLY kissing UNION BUTT.

Happy (UNION) labor day from OBOZO. The rest of us can go to ….

The Pension Protection Act of 2006 (Pub. L. 109–280), 120 Stat. 780, was signed into law by U.S. President George W. Bush on August 17, 2006.

Nice deflection.  Try again.

It’s not 1931 anymore.

Do you like weeks, months and years off because you can’t find a job? Thank a union.

YEAH, Every news outlet including “Faux News” lied to us,

so what would say about these union “members”?

Teamster Thug attacks Tea Party member at Socialist Moveon.org rally in Sacramento
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPQjnPhIvDo

Unions Are Corporations, Too!

The Teabaggers are so anti-worker it’s pathetic.  

Tell you what, when the far right stops kissing right-wing CEO and right-wing minister butt, then come talk to me.

Tell you what, when the far right stops kissing right-wing CEO and right-wing minister butt, then come talk to me.

Psssssssst: all of this was 150-200 years ago. Why do progressives live so much in the past?

Psssssssst: all of this was 150-200 years ago. Why do progressives live so much in the past?

Gravy if you can get it.You didn’t.Sucks to be you.

You “studied at college” to get a union job? ROFL!

Calling for the mobilization of Obama’s “army” is a very profound
illustration of the divisiveness of this administration. Hoffa has done
us a favor by giving more Americans access to this perspective, who have
not realized it already.
No one in law enforcement will touch Hoffa
on this, of course. Our dysfunctional DOJ will protect his right to
incite unrest against fellow citizens.
If for no other reason than
his polarization of the nation, Obama needs to lose in 2012.  I am sick
to death of him pitting Americans against one another and he’s been
doing it ever since he got into politics.  How on earth did the voters
not see this in 2008? It was obvious to me that the characterization of
“the great uniter” was a shameless lie. I didn’t know then that he would
actually be the great divider to this extent.

You know the union thugs are worried when they have to quote ancient history about weekends and ignore how bloated pensions (underfunded but guaranteed on the backs of taxpayers), some that will deliver $2mil+ to public workers who retired in their 50s, have bankrupt their states. Don’t worry though, they manage to get by as their unions recommend moving to right-to-work states after they retire because the taxes are lower.

Where do you get this mindless point of view?    The union jobs where I work required training and skilled labor.    The also require employee’s to be safety trained and aware as well as educated in their job.    Maybe you are so anti union because you have never been in a union?  Got fired because union could not help you?  (If your wrong they cannot be expected to do miracles after all) or just brain washed by FAUX media.???

That’s strange.  Most of them work for a living.

 Who said anything about ‘negotiating’. I’m talking about the pigfilth
that shows up late, takes a 2 hour lunch, leaves early, can’t get fired,
and then deserves a raise.

And guess what — they’re the majority; not the minority.

Union workers – couldn’t make it in a non-union job for more than a
week. I know it. And so do you whether you’ll own it or not.

Good thing that most of America knows it to.

Hey, how did WI turn out for you folks?

“Mealy mouse it through life whining, whimpering – not fair not fair”

You should look up the definition of irony.

The statistics prove you wrong. White people dominate low paying jobs no matter where you go. A liberal assumption does not equate to a fact. Look it up.

I am not in a union and I work only 3 days a week.   

Yes, we did have a healthcare that worked….for the most part. 

Tell me, can you think for yourself, or are you just a parrot?

I like working 13.5 hours a day and only working 3 days a week in my non union job.

Unfortunately, the rhetoric is ramped up several notches on both sides.
Is it really that surprising at all anymore? It’s not serving any purpose, other than just another meaningless talking point. Well, perhaps unless you’re choosing to question the address of the President in Congress.It doesn’t serve to help either sides effort in getting bipartisan policy done.

Community organizing is not grassroots.  It is a highly organized effort by  a few discontents claiming victimhood in an effort to extort money from businesses and government.

I don’t think anyone can suggest that unions didn’t have a valuable role in the working condition reforms going as far back as the early 1900′s.  What many on the left won’t agree with is the incredible bargaining power of the unions today, buttressed by their political cronies in Washington.  Labor unions pack so many dollars into the coffers of these career politicians that it would be suicide for anyone to think they can act or think independently.  Labor unions and their leftist allies in state and national offices have done more in the last twenty years to hurt unions than any big corporation or Tea Partier could have ever dreamed.

Do you like closed down factories and unemployment?   Thank a Union.

CEO’s are more apt to be liberal Democrats these days. Just look at whose funding the party and Obama himself. Corporations = right wing Republicans is an anachronism. Times have changed.

Psssssssst: The Constitution of the United States is the supreme law of the United States of America.The Constitution was adopted on September 17, 1787. So< are you in favor of the Constitution? Or is that too far in the past?

Volt the Dolt is a parrot.  And a very dumb parrot at that.

That’s strange too because they’re choosing to stand against their own better interest.  

Leave it there.Red meat for the nutbars.

Obama’s word is not “near” worthless but “is” worthless.

Hey!That’s my line.

From the Detroit News today :

Obama must move away from the blame-shifting and excuse-making that marked his prevacation appearances — tactics better-suited for the campaign trail — and establish himself as a leader willing and able to confront the employment crisis. This is a time for confidence building, not more partisan sparring. The best re-election strategy the president can pursue is to revive the economy. From The Detroit News: http://detnews.com/article/20110905/OPINION01/109050306/Editorial–Mr.-President–we-need-jobs#ixzz1X73P3uQL

6voltsock is already copy and pasting as fast he can!

Yep I did – I studied hard at college – got my union job.. Love it as well as my 8 hour a day 40 hour week and my union who keeps safe working conditions a priority.    I may have to work hard but I thank my union for what I have.  Oh and love my benefits,  regular break time and time for lunch every day.    paid vacation and insurance!   I earn those benefits but my union makes sure they are in our contract!  Thank You to all the good unions out there!

No one is suggesting violence here. Fox is just trying to drag the story down to their level. You didn’t see anyone bringing loaded firearms to this speech did you? Remember the health care town hall meetings where tea party members bullied politicians and other citizens who had a different viewpoint, including a woman in a wheelchair? How about the Tea Party thugs who taunted a Healthcare supporter sitting on the ground who jsut happened to be suffering from MS? 
That’s your Tea Party. And since when have the Republicans been so sensitive? Going back to Lee Atwater and Karl Rove’s early days their main focus was to “Swift Boat” the opposition to avoid the debate. Now that some people are standing up to the Tea Party bullying and mismanagement the Republicans are calling out their FAKE outrage.What, do you have amnesia or something?And as far as things backfiring, the Tea Party phonies are being taken to task on their running for jobs in 2010. Not one jobs bill framed to date/ Goofy Joe Walsh scolding the POTUS about fiscal respnsibility while he’s over 100,000.00 arrears in child support. Some “family values” guy he’s turned out to be… They’ve spent their energy on making it harder for people to vote, impossible to get an abortion and making sure gay people don’t get the same civil liberties they enjoy. To the Tea Party, “Liberty” is the power to deny rights to people they don’t approve of. People can see that! Why do you think the Republican Congress has a 12% approval rating? That and the fact that they would just as soon see the economy tank to get their way. This is a party that wants to politicize disaster relief while accepting Federal disaster relief money. If anything here can be accurately described as shameful, that’s it.

Now that’s a fact.

Then you must prefer to limit the discourse to your flimsy ad homonyms and racist epithets rather than thoroughly consider each point and answer the question. Look who is deflecting? You own it.

“Just words!” Quoting the messiah, himself. ;)

It is absurd to make a comparisons to Palin and Tea Party behavior, as Zara Golden did here. How could anyone be that disconnected and lacking in perspective? No objectivity at all.

Good for you! Relevance? Pertinent is a word that comes to mind.

No Tea Party people talk like this. Palin doesn’t talk like this. “Both sides” don’t talk like this. Only liberals talk like this.

I’m starting to think a paid parrot.

Do you like the fact that the US no longer manufactures anything… thank a union.

Do you like Chevy, Ford, and Chrysler being made like crap… thank a union.

Do you like smoking pot and drinking on your lunch break and then using heavy equipment… thank a union.

Do you like your schools vandalized… thank a union.

Do you like broken legs… thank a union.

Do you like dead scabs… thank a union.

I don’t know what’s more tired: people saying stupid shit like this or the *OUTRAGED* response from the other side. These people want us to keep acting like drunken NFL fans. We keep getting screwed and they keep getting paid.

Happy Labor (haha, irony…) Day, trolls!

Hoffa is a chip off the old block. Cement block.

Juicy red meat here.Big Eddie likey.Yum.

the twit party is the worst thing to happen to politics…

Again, the tea party cries when someone pushes back on their hateful rhetoric. Own your nasty hate tea party.

Ever hear of a Quote. The very meaning is to repeat.

If you are off for months or years because you can’t find a job it is not the unions fault..  Gov. Perry has put tons of people to work in TX..    -  jobs for all if you want to work for minimum wage..   Look at all those right to work states and the wages are similiar..  Now look at union states – wages are good, unemployment low..   THANK  A UNION!  Oh ya most of the union jobs are for skilled labor so maybe thats the problem with you being unemployed for so long.    go back to school honey!

screw you

Teapartiers don’t have that communistic “we versus them” mentality at the workplace which is why employers seek them out in the right-to-work states.  Much more pleasant people to work with then the Hoffa types. Right-to-work states account for only 40 percent of the U.S. population but hosted 60 percent of the nation’s new businesses and employment

Nice. It must be a pretty easy life seeing only what you want to see.

Well seeing how you left wingers are responding to Obama’s opening act calling for the murder of Tea Party members with such indifference, I guess it’s OK to start calling Barack Hussein Obama ll out for being such a huge, un-American, racist douchebag for not rebuffing his buddy.

I feel so much better now that we’ve gotten our true feelings out in the open…now let’s eat because I’m famished.

Excuse me dear sir
quote quot·ed, quot·ing, noun
verb (used with object) 1. to repeat (a passage, phrase, etc.) from a book, speech, or the like, as by way of authority, illustration, etc. 2. to repeat words from (a book, author, etc.). 3. to use a brief excerpt from: The composer quotes Beethoven’s Fifth in his latest work. 4. to cite, offer, or bring forward as evidence or support. 5. to enclose (words) within quotation marks.

Me too.

Another that irony is lost on.

No thank NAFTA etc for trying to create a global economy and taking jobs out of the country.. into places with NO UNIONS  – Unions did not want this.. 

Send me some money!

he said weekends “off” fool. dont believe unions work go to asia 7 day workweeks, in japan they have 6 day work weeks thats why they all wanted jobs on the bases i was stationed at “oh the humanity!”. seen it with my own eyes 

Good job if you can get it.You didn’t.Sorry.

Once again , the Evil King Obama demonizes Americans who don’t agree with him , and says nothing while a union thug threatens them .

 
“The cynicism it takes to declare oneself a non-partisan, or “the only adult in the room” and then launch partisan attack after partisan attack is breathtaking. And yet, his water carriers in the media claim that the reason his administration is in trouble is because he caves in to Republicans too much – that he is too “nonpartisan.”
He is a “moderate” – who radically transformed the health care industry in America. He is reasonable – and he also overloaded the financial industry with regulations and saddled consumers with another agency designed to prevent us from making bad investments. He is brilliant – except every move he has made on the economy has proved how truly ignorant he is of even basic economic theory. ”
http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2011/09/barone_on_the_audacity_of_weakness.html

“Vee don’t need no Stinkin’ Unions, you Marxist Pig!”
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How long will it be before the Democratic Media and President express their Horror & Outrage at the THREAT Hoffa spewed?
Why didn’t the Hypocrite-In-Chief say something when he went on stage?

In response, the GOP should run an ad of inner city minority communities, with a voice-over asking what the Democrats and their thug-union allies have done for the quality-of-life in their neighborhoods.

This is a fertile moment to make definitive inroads in the Dems most loyal base – that they’ve treated like “whores” for the pst 50 years – and educate them on the real threat to their independence, Power-crazed Democrats!

sez the sock puppet troll living on crazy checks…

Good grief. Could Mediaite please hire a journalist, with the cajones, to take on the GOPsters? This is becoming embarassing. Really.

I’m very happy for you. But you choose to work those hours. There is a big difference.

I agree

Seriously, litte gNOpigs and teabaggeds, what is wrong with you idiots?

Minimum wage in China pays about $200 USD per month.

Minimum wage in Mexico is about $5 USD per day.

Foxconn, contractor for Apple, had a string of suicides in 2010 due to work conditions at their factory.

Toyota is looking to build a new engine plant in Mexico. NON-UNION. Such engines will be exported to the USA and Canada.

Volkswagen Mexico UNION workers have just renegotiated their contracts with a %6 raise, barely keeping up with inflation.

How do you teabaggeds even imagine competing on the race to the bottom when NONE OF YOU IDIOTS have benefited from the tax cuts for the “job creators”?

You just described the Tea Party.  LOL

Dreamworld and brainwashing by FAUX news and there ya got your true TEA Bagger!

Thank a job creator who created a job in China.  

Looks like it might get real ugly next year Big Ed.

The Marxists Are Coming!
The Marxists Are Coming!

Hey, what if he loses the election, but refuses to leave?

It’s times like these we can thank the NRA!

After today, I think many more Americans will see big labor as primarily the political machine that it is and much less as protectors of the workers. They will be reminded of the videos of union unrest and Wisconsin too. The will start adding things up to the obvious conclusions.
Big labor is dirty and needs to be slapped down quite a few notches.
Naming Obama’s “army” will certainly wake up a lot of people who have let big labor leaders slide on their efforts to control the federal government.
The recent calls to disband the NLRB have probably frightened them as it should.

So, providing jobs is waging war? I thought it was hilarious that Hoffa claimed that unions would bring Detroit back to greatness. The state of things in Detroit today can be attributed 100% to union influence over the corporations that built the city.

Labor unions have far more political heft than any industry or corporation. Six of the top 10 groups donating money to political campaigns are unions and 99.99999999999% of that goes to Democrats. Now, in WI, since state workers are no longer forced to join unions, membership numbers are in a free fall. Not even the workers want unions representing them. As I said, a dinosaur just waiting to be put out of its misery.

So, providing jobs is waging war? I thought it was hilarious that Hoffa claimed that unions would bring Detroit back to greatness. The state of things in Detroit today can be attributed 100% to union influence over the corporations that built the city.

Labor unions have far more political heft than any industry or corporation. Six of the top 10 groups donating money to political campaigns are unions and 99.99999999999% of that goes to Democrats. Now, in WI, since state workers are no longer forced to join unions, membership numbers are in a free fall. Not even the workers want unions representing them. As I said, a dinosaur just waiting to be put out of its misery.

So, providing jobs is waging war? I thought it was hilarious that Hoffa claimed that unions would bring Detroit back to greatness. The state of things in Detroit today can be attributed 100% to union influence over the corporations that built the city.

Labor unions have far more political heft than any industry or corporation. Six of the top 10 groups donating money to political campaigns are unions and 99.99999999999% of that goes to Democrats. Now, in WI, since state workers are no longer forced to join unions, membership numbers are in a free fall. Not even the workers want unions representing them. As I said, a dinosaur just waiting to be put out of its misery.

So, providing jobs is waging war? I thought it was hilarious that Hoffa claimed that unions would bring Detroit back to greatness. The state of things in Detroit today can be attributed 100% to union influence over the corporations that built the city.

Labor unions have far more political heft than any industry or corporation. Six of the top 10 groups donating money to political campaigns are unions and 99.99999999999% of that goes to Democrats. Now, in WI, since state workers are no longer forced to join unions, membership numbers are in a free fall. Not even the workers want unions representing them. As I said, a dinosaur just waiting to be put out of its misery.

So, providing jobs is waging war? I thought it was hilarious that Hoffa claimed that unions would bring Detroit back to greatness. The state of things in Detroit today can be attributed 100% to union influence over the corporations that built the city.

Labor unions have far more political heft than any industry or corporation. Six of the top 10 groups donating money to political campaigns are unions and 99.99999999999% of that goes to Democrats. Now, in WI, since state workers are no longer forced to join unions, membership numbers are in a free fall. Not even the workers want unions representing them. As I said, a dinosaur just waiting to be put out of its misery.

years ago i was a new union worker,i  was pulling a scrap train full of light weight metal and a 1lb piece fell out of one of the boxes,so being a new worker i got off the fork truck and put the fallen piece back where it belonged.i was seen by a white hat and was put on 30 day probation for not reporting the fallen piece to him so that he could summon a labor to come and pick up the piece and put it back on the truck and now we wonder why companies are moving over seas.

The Tea Party isn’t grassroots.  It’s a highly funded effort by groups like the Koch Bros. to stir up grievance among old conservative, rural white people. 

You should look around the suburbs of Detroit where the unionists actually live.Quite nice.

Sorry that you never got that union job,but you shouldn’t be bitter for life because of it.

The baggers can’t understand anything u wrote.  Save yoiur fingers.  They understand incoherent babble from Palin and that is all they comprehend.

Off your medications again?

Wouldn’t you love to have a transcript of the phone call Hoffa gets from the White House after this debacle? I know I would.

More like 30% of the country.No biggie.

You’re an idiot.

“The total number of union workers in the entire workforce in the United States is a mere 11.9% according to the Bureau of Labor Statistics. Only 6.9% are in the private sector while a whopping 36.2% can be found in the public sector. If over 84% of the United States workforce population is not unionized, why is it that we allow unions to bully us? Clearly unions aren’t a positive if only 12% are unionized. If unions were such a great aspect of a working environment, more workers would be demanding to be unionized but they are not. Union membership has continually decreased for years other than in the public sector.”

http://www.examiner.com/political-buzz-in-manchester/unions-make-up-less-than-12-of-workforce-why-do-we-allow-them-to-bully-us

Providing jobs?  Where the f__ck are the jobs??  What about all those jobs the Bush Tax cuts were supposed to create?

Tax cuts and union busting don’t accomplish anything except line the pockets of those who already have money.  

I come from a family of small business owners…and they’ll all tell you that they never hired a single employee because of a tax cut. They hire people when there is demand for their services.

Tax cuts don’t create jobs…DEMAND creates jobs.  It’s hard to have demand when you keep laying your workers off or when you keep slashing their pay.

can you think for yourself or are you just being an a&&hole?

How so.They’re all retired and sponging off the system.

How so.They’re all retired and sponging off the system.

Hoffa said nothing wrong.  A senator declares he wants the President and the country to fail and no one says a thing.
Time to take our country back from racist fools.  Bye baggers

Hoffa said nothing wrong.  A senator declares he wants the President and the country to fail and no one says a thing.
Time to take our country back from racist fools.  Bye baggers

Right wing CEO’s aren’t calling for violence. Moron.

Actual Volt is one of few here with facts to back up what is being said..  better take notes.

Actual Volt is one of few here with facts to back up what is being said..  better take notes.

Actual Volt is one of few here with facts to back up what is being said..  better take notes.

carpenters,electricians,autoworkers, manufacturing,construction, set designers, pilots, are all mindless skill-lacking jobs unlike radio host, tv personality and conservative consultant to fox news require weeks, no days of opinion formulation and vocalization into a microphone. i guess you like shoddy work done by underpaid illegal immigrants.

I lied in a big union city for many years. I’ve seen the damage they have done. Burning down houses, slashing tires, etc., etc.

tatboy”Do you like Chevy, Ford, and Chrysler being made like crap… thank a union.”….I own buy and own Union made autos made in the United States of America.I have been very happy with my purchaces. I help put americains to work. I always try to buy Americain made products union or not. How about you?

This whole administration is sick, sick sick…here is Biden:

Biden At AFL-CIO Rally: “You Are The Only Folks Keeping The Barbarians From the Gates” (Video)  (link on drudge).

And Obama and his media sychophants have no problem with this level of hate speech.  none, zip, nada, zilch.  but if you are a conservative and you say “reload” you are mud, a murderer, scum.

I’m sickened by what the so-called media have become in this country; how sad is it that they support this level of hatred from democrats and the media themselves have become extreme leftists.

tea Party to Hoffa:  RESIGN

I cannot wait for 2012 to get here; this guy is killing this country, calling for the murder of citizens who stand in his way and against his will and the adoring media supports his call for the death of citizens.

Shameful

The reality is that labor and management have to work together.

If wages go too high, it becomes uncompetitive….if wages are too low, you undercut the middle class and you take away your customer base.

Struck a nerve?

Waging war? there you go again.

The Tea Party is nothing but a highly funded effort by millionaires like the Koch Bros. to get poor white people to vote for more tax cuts for the wealthy.

Compared to the hysterical, out-of-control, demented hate, rage and rants of the lunatic-left d-cRAT socialists, John Belushi, Don Rickles and Sam Kinnison can be considered calm, demure, polite, respectful, civil human beings.

I hope Hoffa does not apologize.  

The Republicans stopped apologizing for crap like this ages ago.  It’s time the left quit apologizing as well.

TheLastBrainLeft:”It’s not 1931 anymore.’…..Ask a coal miner if he cares what year it is.

because an american company would prefer to ship a job overseas or risk a legal case to hire an illegal immigrant rather than pay you a cost of living adjustment so that you can buy the product you make and pay rent. 

like bailing out banks and airlines and farming industry and still not get the loan, cheap airfare and food they promised you? thank your local american ceo

Yeah …there I go again, quoting the person before me.  

“Big Labor has been waging war…”

You’re stupid.

Biden today AFL-CIO rally: “You Are The Only Folks Keeping The Barbarians From the Gates”

are these guys insane? this is how they kick off a re-election effort? with more of this groupthink thuggery – pandering to the brain-dead unions that couldn’t fend for thamselves if they had to – most Americans hate this crap – “Putting America To Work” – right – just what we need – another one million gravel donkeys to push loose tar around -

Net jobs under Bush:  3 million

Net jobs under Clinton:  23.1 million.

Why aren’t the Republicans DEMANDING Obama condemn these remarks?
- and the remarks of the elected white-hating RACISTS in the Black Caucus!

This is outrageous!

And where’s the Breaking Reports by the Democratic Media?
Where’s their DEMAND that Obama address & condemn the remarks of these Union and Black Caucus thugs?
Would their coverage be different if this was a Tea Party leader or elected officaials saying this?

These people on the left are making it very clear who the enemy of freedom is in this country!
They thrive on pitting one group against another, and govern like supercilious feudal lords.

When the Union Flashmobs start showing up in your neighborhood, just be well-disciplined and trained, and thank your NRA!

Racists?

Is this guy a racist too?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AVnJkzHuCJk

You’re pathetic.  I hope Obama gets re-elected just to give the middle finger to assholes like you.

I won’t hold my breath for Obama to turn his ideologies and personality inside out just because the Detroit News advised him to do do. I think he is just too thoroughly indoctrinated and rigid to start being the leader we need. You know…old dog….new trick.

I never realized that stringing a bunch of unrelated facts together into an incoherent rant was effective debating.

do half of these people realize that with out a union they wouldnt even be able to post on this site? hows that you ask its bc you would be AT WORK RIGHT NOW!

Paste and copy? Really? You are so inteligent! Duh. ya think?

Well you know that odds are he’ll be back for another 4 years, right?

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2012/president/president_obama_vs_republican_candidates.html

I’m not saying this to gloat or anything. I’m just warning you it’s going to be pretty crushing when you are so possessed with hatred for an administration that you just can’t fathom them coming back. Believe me, I was there in 2004. What’s funny though is that in many ways I voted for what appears to be Bush-Lite (pun intended) in 2008.

Where?

Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa so this is a doctored clip LOL
FOX LIES
http://mediamatters.org/blog/201109050003

Ummmm. Pretty much all of em already are, Mr. I couldn’t see an elephant if it sat on my face.

I thought he was talking to me.

Obama is the most transparent liar and con artist in the history of politics. But the Presstitutes don’t care.

They just want to pleasure whoever their master tells them to.

So, there are very few workers involved in the Tea Party? Sorry, your comment just doesn’t track.

Net jobs under Bush:  3 million

Net jobs under Clinton:  23.1 million.

Net relevance to anything to today: Zero.

Your boy Clinton rode the internet bubble that he did NOTHING to create, but went after Microsoft and Bill Gates, instead of the mounting Jihadis that eventually brought down the Twin Towers.

Net jobs under Bush:  3 million

Net jobs under Clinton:  23.1 million.

Net relevance to anything to today: Zero.

Your boy Clinton rode the internet bubble that he did NOTHING to create, but went after Microsoft and Bill Gates, instead of the mounting Jihadis that eventually brought down the Twin Towers.

After remarks like that, I’m sure we’re all pulling for Little Hoffa to follow in the same footsteps as his dad!

After remarks like that, I’m sure we’re all pulling for Little Hoffa to follow in the same footsteps as his dad!

Wal-Mart has good prices on ammo. Time to stock up.

Community organizing is some slick snake oil salesman luring natural born freeloaders to vote Democrat with promises of free fried chicken, collard leafs and water melon.

You Union BASTARDS. Come and get us.  You F’g Pieces of SH_T.

This F’g Hoffa knows exactly where his Dad is buried and refuses to talk.

What hateful rhetoric are you referring to? There has been nothing remotely close to the violent, venom spewing threats coming from the left.

Get a clue, doofus.

You are a piece of Sh=t.

OK, you’re screaming FOX lies, and your reference point is the Devil-Spawn of George Soros himself?

LMFAO!

Fox didn’t lie fool, the whole thing was on – the entire speech.  

Give us some examples of Tea Party leaders or prominent Republicans using violent imagery like this.

If you can’t, shut your pie-hole.

Give us some examples of Tea Party leaders or prominent Republicans using violent imagery like this.

If you can’t, shut your pie-hole.

Is sock puppet your favorite Parrot pharse?

Is sock puppet your favorite Parrot pharse?

I was being generous with over half the country. The recent WI elections really put it into perspective:

http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/unions-lose-big-wisconsin

In 2012, the progressive agenda will finally become irrelevant.

I was being generous with over half the country. The recent WI elections really put it into perspective:

http://campaign2012.washingtonexaminer.com/blogs/beltway-confidential/unions-lose-big-wisconsin

In 2012, the progressive agenda will finally become irrelevant.

After this VITRIOL from the left and Hoffa, I guess it is now ok to call Obama exactly what he is with impunity.

After this VITRIOL from the left and Hoffa, I guess it is now ok to call Obama exactly what he is with impunity.

The two sides aren’t morally equivalent. Period.

The leftists are behaving like thugs and goons. Period.

King Obama’s campaign speech Thursday will be as offensive as Junior Hoffa’s .

“News reports suggest that on Thursday night, the president will tell Republicans in the House and Senate that they should put “country before party” and endorse his proposals for job creation. The “country before party” line has become Obama’s new theme in the wake of the debt crisis, and the passion with which he invokes it indicates it’s something he actually and truly believes in.And it’s utter nonsense. Offensive nonsense too. Obama isn’t truly asking Republicans to put country before party. He is asking them to elevate the interests and ideas of the Democratic party higher than their own ideas, their sense of what is best for the nation, and their deeply held convictions about the moral hazard posed by a too-large government and a populace too reliant on it. They won’t do it, and they shouldn’t, and the next time liberals complain that conservatives unfairly impugn their patriotism, Obama’s effort to do just that with his loyal ideological opposition should be thrown in their face.”

http://www.commentarymagazine.com/2011/09/05/obamas-country-before-party-nonsense/
  

Hoffa has done us all a favor. Union thuggery is clear to see, and Obama’s hypocrisy has never been more evident.

Tell us all about the right and its vitriol, but try backing it up with evidence. Meanwhile here are some leftist clowns doing what they do best, attacking Americans, and supporting socialists and communism. Wake up, troll.

May I suggest that anyone feel free to show these to the leftest clowns when they try to slander the right about violent and anti-American rhetoric.

http://www.ringospictures.com/index.php?page=20110501

http://michellemalkin.com/2011/01/10/the-progressive-climate-of-hate-an-illustrated-primer-2000-2010/

FOX LIED

Ever attend one of their rallies?

The Tea Party is a dying breed.  Once the old-crank generation dies off, the country will shift back to the center where it belongs.

The Tea Party is a dying breed.  Once the old-crank generation dies off, the country will shift back to the center where it belongs.

If people get to keep more of their own money, they spend it on what they want, thus creating demand.

Are you that clueless?

Obama better renounce Hoffa – and quick . ( And Waters and Carson )

 
After Teamsters union president Jimmy Hoffa, Jr. called for a “war” against Republicans and tea partiers on Monday, one tea party group is calling for the union leader to resign.“Calls to violence can never be acceptable in this civil society,” the Rockford, Illinois tea party group said in a statement. “Hoffa’s remarks were made in an introduction to Obama speaking to Auto Workers and Unions in Detroit and this sort of angry, hateful, call to violence should be repudiated by the President with a call from the President to ask Hoffa to resign his very public position of influence.”Read more: http://dailycaller.com/2011/09/05/tea-party-group-to-hoffa-resign/#ixzz1X7HGlKMT

The speech by Hoffa should have disturbed any American.  That a plurality of citizens found the substance and wording to be invigorating,  Rather, to me, Hoffa’s words are an omen and not a pleasant one.  Hoffa’s speech could easily have been from Lenin or Eugene Debs.  (Think I’m exaggerating?)

Very recently I had a conversation with an old friend of mine who is now a local Union Boss.  I tried to tell him that historically the door which the Socialist/Communist walks through to recruit members, has traditionally been the Union Hall!

My friend told me that “if I said that to his brothers I wouldn’t get out of the hall alive!”  My friend, a patriotic man who believes one can love their country, yet still be Union?  In my friends world and idealism, you can.  I have been witness to functioning Unions and honorable Corporations that concurrently, consider the National interest.

HOWEVER, Mr. Hoffa’s speech should tell us all that Socialism is coming right through the door of the Union Hall!  And, Hoffa looks to dismantle the American Economic juggernaut, replacing such with with an economy that considers the worker, first and foremost.

I ask you, who is going to build the businesses and factories, the Government, the Union?

Purveyor

I read a story about a refrigerator factory that was being closed down and sent to mexico.    The Union was complaining because in their LAST MONTH they had their most productive output in the entire history of the factory.    The were saying “see we are getting better and you are closing us down”   No the answer is they should have been working hard the whole time and not milking the company.

As if the Right hasn’t been doing that already…?

As if the Right hasn’t been doing that already…?

bwahahaha

Why in gods green earth would I want a union job?  so I can give them all my hard earned money and they can threaten my fellow citizens?

Thanks but no thanks, unions are way past their prime. 

So you support Mr. Hoffa’s threats?

You know, you would think the writer of this article, Zara Golden, could have actually provided the proper context for those words, instead of pandering to teabaggers as she did:

lockquote>HOFFA: Everybody here’s got to vote. If we go back and keep the eye on the prize, let’s take these son of a bitches out and give America back to America where we belong! Thank you very much!

I’ll take a balanced budget and a booming economy over Bush’s tax cuts any day.

What good is keeping more of your own money if you’ve just had your salary slashed by a union busting GOP leader?

He’s a clown who spouts off, but have you noticed, he has not offered any evidence? I wonder if he has the testicles to look at his own clowns demeaning America and sympathizing with communists?

http://www.ringospictures.com/index.php?page=20110501
http://michellemalkin.com/2011/01/10/the-progressive-climate-of-hate-an-illustrated-primer-2000-2010/

Anyone else get the feeling that the unions, the President, the CBN, and lefties in general are hoping for violence to break out?

Isn’t this what a certain former FOX News Show host predicted? His batting average is pretty damn high.

The facts don’t bear that out.   Tax cuts have SOME stimulative effect, but they aren’t as effective as other means.

So, doesn’t bother you at all to make a fool of yourself. What is so important that you are that willing to debase yourself?

On your marks, get set, ready, go right wing nutjobs for manipulated quotes by your  trusted propaganda network!

Here´s the full quote:

HOFFA:
Everybody here’s got to vote. If we go back and keep the eye on the prize, let’s take these son of a bitches out and give America
back to America where we belong! Thank you very much!

Take them out by voting, capisce?

There`s even a Fox reporter who reported it initially to Blondie and tweeted it. LMAO

http://mediamatters.org/blog/201109050003

On your marks, get set, ready, go right wing nutjobs. It´s time to display your hatred for Soros now!

To add a little ND,

NOTHING Clinton did had any causal effect on the booming economy. It was basically Reagans tax windfall funding a technological explosion.

What Clinton did do, is enable Wall Street to bastardize our economy by changing the trading rules, while enorging their own net worths; and establish a firewall, for his own political interests, between the CIA and FBI which enabled the terrorists to attack on September 11.

The perception of what Clinton did and didn’t do has no resemblance to the truth, and that’s through the efforts of a dishonest, manipulative and advocacy Media.

It’s Stalinism rearing it’s ugly head again.

If wages go too high, it becomes uncompetitive…

If taxes, regulation and the cost of business becomes too high, jobs flee states, then countries. Clown.

Do you like veiled threats against your political opponent? If you were outraged by what happened in Arizona, then you should not be DEFENDING these comments!

Media Matters! HAHAHAHALOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL!

“CEO’s are more apt to be liberal Democrats these days”……. You make a good point,The good one are. Like Apple computer,Costco,Google,etc. These companies may not have union workers. They don’t need to. these corparations give their employees good benfits.I’m not saying everyone needs to be in a union. Only the oppressed.

Why do you suppose Zara Golden, the writer of this article, didn’t include that portion of the speech in a blockquote? Pandering to teabaggers, or is it because she only watches Fox News segments?

Media Matters is an organization dedicated to lying to achieve total power for leftists.

Get a clue.

So let’s break their damn legs! You idiot.

Leftist progressiveness is a dying breed. That is why the rhetoric is turning up. LOL. Like cornered animals you are yapping at anyone that you feel threatened by. Individual liberty and personal responsibility must be pretty threatening to your nanny government, huh?

I wish Obama had that fight in him.

What was violent about what he said? “Taking sons of bitches out?” By way of voting? Can’t I play the whole context card the same way it got played with the whole Sarah Palin crosshairs map? Sure that had nothing to do with Jared Loughner, as idiot media lefties were so eager to suggest, but does that make it appropriate?

Also, you moved the goal posts. I was responding to “No Tea Party people talk like this.” So are you telling me that I can’t find any Tea Party members behaving like morons? Who qualifies as “prominent?” Palin? Glenn Beck? Bachmann?

I would suggest you laugh this sort of talk off as stupid and think about how we can actually solve problems. I’m sure if you try you can do it. Come on…bootstraps, right?

Although, it didn’t seem to matter when Sarah Palin had crosshairs over voting districts the campaign was targeting.

Tell me, are Progressives taught to use Hypocrisy and Double-Standards, or is it genetic in some way?

So can I just reply to you with a bunch of links from Daily Kos, Media Matters, Salon, HuffPost, etc?

Union workers think that business owners exist for them and them alone. That people actually go into business to offer jobs to snot nosed punks like M_B_W.

“I hope nuttin’ happens to your car, scab!” member of AFL-CIO during construction of a school in Illinois, July, 2004

Although, it didn’t seem to matter when Sarah Palin had crosshairs over voting districts the campaign was targeting.Tell me, are Progressives taught to use Hypocrisy and Double-Standards, or is it genetic in some way?

You you realize that if it weren’t for a capitalist, PCs wouldn’t have been invented to allow you to post on the net?

some how they say this is different then Sara using the term “cross-hairs”.

And this is rich:

 Fox News dishonestly edited the speech in the manner seen above. Andrew Breitbart’s Big sites, Real Clear Politics,The Daily Caller, the Media Research Center, and the Drudge Report have all highlighted that footage, using it to condemn ”the violence emanating from union thug bosses” and demand that Obama “denounce” the comments.

 ”Faux News” must have a message board. Maybe you would be more comfortable there?

.  Using real words also helps.  Like what is a ‘teabagged’.

I am still waiting for the Baboon’s stock market debacle within 30 days that he predicted back in mid Oct. 2010.

I also find it odd he had to keep his trap shut on his ego trip to Israel, had to cut short his trip to South Africa, and he hasn’t mentioned his trip to South America either.

Along the lines of wishing destruction for America, as usually, the Baboon was also expecting more destruction from hurricane Irene.

Nice batting average.

He must be referring to incendiary words like “Obama is a socialist”…

It’s the Public Unions that are the real problem.
They ‘buy’ their own negotiators!!

Did you hear the Post Office may follow in the path of the Obama economy, and go bankrupt!
lol

Hey! I think they have pictures of you online!!

http://www.peopleofwalmart.com/4907

Are you a progressive hunter like the Apostle Glenn?

Who, exactly, was lectured and blamed for the shooting in Arizona? Which president of hope and change called upon all of us to end the “violent rhetoric?”. If you want to claim that you weren’t a party to that, fine; only you know that truth. But this is hypocrisy at it’s ultimate level, and that same president agreeing through his silence speaks miles of truth.

if the Tea Party is dying why is this joke of a president so threatened by them?

Everybody here’s got to vote. If we go back and keep the eye on the
prize, let’s take these son of a bitches out and give America
back to America where we belong! Thank you very much!

Yep, no violent rhetoric there at all, is there? Wow. Thanks for clearing that up.

Look at this:

http://demog.berkeley.edu/~andrew/1918/figure2.html

I have never heard anybody on the GOP side condemn any rhetoric on their side ala all of Limbaugh’s over the top racist rants et al.  Damn, in comparrison, this is child’s play talk.

Sure, show me your pictures or run your soundbites. We’ll wait.

the unions are obumbles version of the brown shirts.  He will use their thug forces to attack other political gatherings and members.  This is how Hitler retained power.

Give me a break. You can’t be that simple.

Incendiary language from the vice-president, Black Caucus members, and now a national union boss…and yet, SILENCE from the Lying Hypocrite in the White House, and of course, his Lapdog Mainstream Media.

It seems, with this Administation, people are only restricted from using violent language when it’s against Liberals!

and obumbles is the child.

Be careful what you wish for.

The lefties don’t have the guts to win that kind of fight.

Oh brother.

Hey, I think that’s a bylaw of the Democratic Party – as well as THEIR Media!

…and you’ve heard of HuffPo, haven’t you?

How about some democrat party LEADERS? 0bama’s former mouthpiece and chief apologizer…

3 May 2010 … White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said Monday the Obama administration will “keep a boot to the throat” of BP to make sure the company …

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/05/gibbs-we-will-keep-a-boot-on-t.html

If you haven’t noticed, stocks are on a major downward trend. Gold is through the roof and going even higher.

You were saying?

Is this violent rhetoric?

3 May 2010 … White House spokesman Robert Gibbs said Monday the Obama
administration will “keep a boot to the throat” of BP to make sure the
company …

http://voices.washingtonpost.c...

yes I love my American made car as well as my union made American tires on it.  
Look for the union label!!!!

President Obama is
schedule to speak to America on Thursday, and today he endorsed the ”taking out”
of Americans he disagrees with.Obama is a thug and must be “taken out” at
the ballot box.

he doesn’t!  that’s why he hides behind his union thugs.

he doesn’t!  that’s why he hides behind his union thugs.

More right wing manufactured outrage.He was pretty clear, take these sons of bitches out of office with your vote. 

Keep talking tough and making threats Hoffa/Dems. Cowards always talk a big game.

** Obama: “They Bring a Knife…We Bring a Gun”
** Obama to His Followers: “Get in Their Faces!”
** Obama on ACORN Mobs: “I don’t want to quell anger. I think people are right to be angry! I’m angry!”
** Obama to His Mercenary Army: “Hit Back Twice As Hard”
** Obama on the private sector: “We talk to these folks… so I know whose ass to kick.“
** Obama to voters: Republican victory would mean “hand to hand combat”
** Obama to lib supporters: “It’s time to Fight for it.”
** Obama to Latino supporters: “Punish your enemies.”
** Obama to democrats: “I’m itching for a fight.”http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2011/01/did-barack-obama-cause-the-shootings-yesterday-in-tucson/

Nah. Their blogs suck. Way too many people posting, way too much political correctness filters. It’s like being in a posting race that never ends.

Besides, I enjoy talking to the stupid lefties on here. LOLOLOLOL!

Bless the compassionate clownservative hearts of them “job creators”

Anyone goes into business, not to offer jobs, you moron.

Anyone opens a business to MAKE MONEY, to seek a profit, you idiot.

And if MAKING MONEY means hiring undocumented immigrants, or setting up customer service centers in India, firing employees injured on the job, or setting up “maquiladoras” in Mexico, SO BE IT.

Actually, that is the fallacy the maquila factories use to demand preferential treatment in Mexico and Central America; they say “we are going to create JOBS!”

so whats your point?  under employed?  long hours?  maybe its time to organize.

Well wuddabout what Rick Perry said to Ben Bernake!!!!?!?!?!?!?!?! AND BP is a CORPORATION! So they DO NOT COUNT!

(This post is a satire of you. You are now going down the rabbit hole of trying to ignore/excuse all bad behavior of the Right while condemning the Left for doing the same thing. That’s tedious and dull.)

Get real.  For many public union workers, and I do distinguish public vs. private, overtime is considered an entitlement, not a burden.  Cops especially LOVE that time and a half. Then, they parlay it into a disproportionately high pension after 20 years of work.  Overtime used to be a concept that required time and a half because it was supposedly so burdensome.  Now it’s a union contract perk.  

Moving along, I see the left here are engaged in their usual subject switching.  What do you think of Jimmy Hoffa’s comments?  Were they completely over the top or not?  And do your convictions on the issue depend on whether the commenter is espousing a leftist point of view?

This article is based on a cleverly edited video by Fox News leaving out:

 HOFFA:Everybody here’s got to vote. If we go back and keep the eye on the prize, let’s take these son of a bitches out and give America back to America where we belong! Thank you very much!

I rarely believe anything I hear from Fox News and usually find the full footage to get the real news.

Yeah, there’s a whole herd of them there.

http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2010/03/20/87743/code-red-gun/.

There ya go. You have crazy lefty pictures. I have crazy righty pictures. By the way…..do you even remember the original point of mine that you’re arguing?

Cross hairs have been used in American policies for decades now. But enjoy this without hurting yourself.

http://www.sodahead.com/united-states/all-cross-hairs-are-equal-but-some-are-more-equal-than-others/question-1459513/

MUST DESTROY UNIONS b4 they destroy America.

The Chicago President tacitly endorses The Chicago Way. Gee, who would have thought?

I have yet to see any union workers at a drilling rig and they make tons of money and do not get hurt all that much.

WHO in the Obama Media will have the nerve to ask him about the blatant double-standard his SILENCE has shown, on the calculated racial smears and implied threats spewed against political opponents?

Given the myriad lies, manipulations and deceit we’ve been fed from this Carnival Barker in the White House, I’m wondering if he, his media, or his government-dependent supporters on the left, have any integrity left.

Social Security MUST be changed. Age 65 is way too low with today’s life expectancies. If the cut-off/qualifying age remains at 65, there will be an unsustainable number of recipients who will live 15-20 or more years longer than the system is able to support them.   

“Oh well allow me to retort!”

~Jules, Pulp Fiction
http://tinyurl.com/3ulxt2u

I’ve got to wonder it Media Matters will be rolling in laundered campaign money before long and launch some major assaults.

 They got a war, and they got a war with us. There is only going to be one winner and it’s going to be us.”

Looks the same to me. I guess as long as they keep their eye on their prize, it’s okay to refer to others as son of a bitches? America has belonged to Hoffa and his goons for how long again??? So he can “give” it back??? Wow, who knew America was his to give to ANYONE?

Oh, he did say THANK YOU. I get it.

The Presstitutes are afraid to talk back to their pimp. They might get slapped around and start crying.

COMMUNISM has ALWAYS gotten it’s foothold in the door via UNIONS.

Summary thus far:  the members of the Left on this thread have not addressed Hoffa’s odious remarks.  Wonder why not?

If you children are being indoctrinated with leftist crap by incompetent teachers thank a Union.

Referring to millions of good Americans as “Sons of Bitches” just ahead of introducing the POTUS is O.K. with you?

You independents that don’t think Communism can come to America better understand COMMUNISM has ALWAYS used UNIONS to gain power.

Sarah is all about Sarah. Now thats a fact!

LOL!

I didn’t know “go straight to hell”, “hanging from a tree”, and “take them out” were socio-economic designations!

LOL!

I refuse to buy any car made by thug Union workers.   I own two Honda’s made in America by americans who are not communists.

Bobby Gibbs, mouthpeice for The One:
Gibbs: ‘We will keep a boot on the throat’ of BP (Video)

http://voices.washingtonpost.com/44/2010/05/gibbs-we-will-keep-a-boot-on-t.html

That’ll make BP just love to do business here in America as well.

So referring to millions of Americans as “Sons of Bitches” right before introducing the POTUS is perfectly harmless? LOLOLOLOLOLOL!

You must have missed my post!

I don’t know what’s more tired: people saying stupid shit like this or
the *OUTRAGED* response from the other side. These people want us to
keep acting like drunken NFL fans. We keep getting screwed and they keep
getting paid.

Happy Labor (haha, irony…) Day, trolls!

Are you GBR’s sister? You kinda sound just as ridiculous. Oh, and sure, you keep up that cute little blog on blogspot. Now _there’s_ a reliable source. :)

FOX LIES!

This has been the culmination of a decades-long campaign to consolidate power and control by the Progressive Elites.

They undermine the family unit, religion, individuality and independence through the narrative set in media, academia, entertainment, and particularly Government Regulations and Control! 

No, it’s not. Neither is calling it a war. Also, neither is it okay to call for second amendment solutions or salute people at GOP rallies as “real” Americans.

I heard a lot of my union co workers complain about union dues but guess what… we were in a labor dispute a few years later and the union paid everyone a stippend out of the strike fund.. guess who the first ones in line were for pay??   They were also the same ones who never volunteered to do anything to help resolve the problems and get back to work.   We went back and some of those same dead beats still complained because the union did not hold out longer even though compromised a few minor issues and got us a fair contract.   Some are never happy but the union worked well for us and I am pround to be a member in good standing for over 40 years..   I also see a lot of comments about thugs in the union – I have not seen any of that  – but your union is only as strong as its members so if you belong and sit back and do nothing you only have yourself to blame.    Todays unions are not thugs, we are peaceful  negotiators.

This is another public relations fiasco for Obama.

He let the well be poisoned days before he is going to give his hack speech before congress.

This is a freakin disaster for the amateurs and sycophants at the White House.

LOLOLOLOLOLHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!

but I bet you had no problem with Dick Armey’s Freedomworks sending out instructions on how to disrupt and shut down your rep’s town hall meetings?

you like this country? thank the tea party.

you like this country? thank the tea party.

Did I hear Hoffa correctly??? He said we need to bring jobs back to America??? Please someone show me one instance where unions brought jobs to America. Unions wont even let Boeing bring jobs to South Carolina!

http://www.hapblog.com/2011/09/teamsters-james-hoffa-at-obama-labor.html

you like this country? thank the tea party.

‘Morally equivalent?’
Equivalency really depends on how you judge Democrats, Republicans, Independents and anyone else running as you are simplistically choosing to do. Have it your own way…I could simply mention the names and self interests of several Companies, Politicians, Radio/TV Pundits whose inflammatory language is so extreme, it makes you question if there’s an actual Civil War being televised in the country. Still, it is in their best interests to keep the status quo for the benefit of their ratings, salaries and self interests…Meanwhile for the rest of the country?

‘Morally equivalent?’
Equivalency really depends on how you judge Democrats, Republicans, Independents and anyone else running as you are simplistically choosing to do. Have it your own way…I could simply mention the names and self interests of several Companies, Politicians, Radio/TV Pundits whose inflammatory language is so extreme, it makes you question if there’s an actual Civil War being televised in the country. Still, it is in their best interests to keep the status quo for the benefit of their ratings, salaries and self interests…Meanwhile for the rest of the country?

Then, let’s not forget Hoffa’s lap dog, or is he a partner in crime, Richard [Dickless] Trumpka, lefties???

28 Feb 2011 … Far from discouraging leftist protestors from employing violent imagery and rhetoric, Trumka’s answer sounds an awful lot like a nod of approval …

http://frontpagemag.com/2011/02/28/the-battle-of-wisconsin-rages-on/

Then, let’s not forget Hoffa’s lap dog, or is he a partner in crime, Richard [Dickless] Trumpka, lefties???

28 Feb 2011 … Far from discouraging leftist protestors from employing violent imagery and rhetoric, Trumka’s answer sounds an awful lot like a nod of approval …

http://frontpagemag.com/2011/02/28/the-battle-of-wisconsin-rages-on/

Any proof that Fox lies would confirm that you’re not a fraud.

Just rhetoric and catch phrases, sweetpea? Is that all you got?

It’s certainly hypocrisy when you are the Prez of the U.S and you’re asking for civility outta one side of your mouth, while tacitly endorsing such rhetoric outta the other side.

Why doesn’t Dear Leader chastise his OWN constituency (CBC, unions, thugs, Mad Maxine, etc.)

It’s certainly hypocrisy when you are the Prez of the U.S and you’re asking for civility outta one side of your mouth, while tacitly endorsing such rhetoric outta the other side.

Why doesn’t Dear Leader chastise his OWN constituency (CBC, unions, thugs, Mad Maxine, etc.)

I keep encouraging anyone to show this to as many people as possible. Here are your socialists and communist sympathizers, and they belong to the leftist party of this country.

http://www.ringospictures.com/index.php?page=20110501

Sorry your job interview didn’t go well…*here’s a tissue.

I guess I am a ‘Son of a Bitch’ but I am also a decorated Veteran . . bring it on.

Watch their shows.  They lie daily, hourly

Tina_Tampa sounds like Anita Bryant’s long lost daughter!  LOL

Proof: http://www.ringospictures.com/index.php?page=20110501

As I said Hate is coming from BOTH sides. Read my prior post.

pretty sure ive pissed on hoffa’s dad’s grave…

Wow, what a fine denouncement. I hope your union gets sued out of existence, troll. More and more it is evident that up is down, down is up to the leftist clowns of this nation. You are proof .

I would like this country a hell of a lot more without their ignorance. It would be a better place.

It’s not just Junior Hoffa . Obama not likely to repudiate a union boss ( who outranks Obama ) , Biden or the Crazy Black Caucus . Also likely this is the final straw that will cost Obama any chance of reelection . Even he knows he does not deserve it .

“Hoffa, the Teamsters president, was warming up a Detroit crowd when he said: “President Obama, this is your army. We are ready to march. Let’s take these son of a bitches out and give America back to an America where we belong.”
Biden, whose mouth has long been a liability for Obama, was at an AFL-CIO rally when he told union members: “You are the only folks keeping the barbarians from the gates…the other side has declared war on labour’s house.”
These comments were not nearly as bad as the statement last week by Congressman Andre Carson last week that members of the Tea Party want black people “hanging from a tree”. Let’s not get too sanctimonious here – they’re fairly common sentiments behind the scenes on both sides of the political divide. 

The difference, of course, is that they were uttered publicly by someone chosen by the White House to introduce Obama and by the sitting vice-president at a time when Obama is calling for a bipartisan coming together to tackle the economy. To add to their foolishness, they follow on from Obama’s sensible call in January for “civility” in public discourse and for people to talk “in a way that heals, not a way that wounds”.
Hoffa’s comments were much worse than Biden’s, though the vice-president’s demeanour suggests he could be a liability on the campaign trail (I’d wager there’s a campaign plan for him to be used only in “rev up the base” type events). Put together, they are embarrassing enough to require an apology from Obama.
But will Obama have the political and moral courage to repudiate a powerful union boss and his own vice-president?”

  http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/news/tobyharnden/100103267/will-barack-obama-condemn-joe-biden-and-jimmy-hoffa-for-calling-republicans-barbarians-and-sons-of-bitches/

Moron gNOpigs, tell granpa’ and granma’ to get off their arses and go find JUBS in this economy.
Another of the PROGRESSIVE achievements on employment was Equal Opportunity Employment.

In other countries it is allowed to ADVERTISE employment positions asking for an specific gender and age bracket. If YOU are too old, you are told to STFU.

The Social Security problem is not so much related to retirement age, rather due to an inverted demographic pyramid and it is not exclusive of the USA.

China, Japan, Mexico, just to name a few, face the same problem. There are 2 people in retirement (parents) for 1.something (children) workers paying into the retirement programs.

And once again, when a country has a high rate of unemployment, the unemployed DON’T pay enough into the retirement system, not even into the “consumer based” economy because they simply don’t have money to spend in other goods but basic necessities.

However, the “job creators” still retain capacity to hoodwink the ignorant gNOpigs into believing their “taxes are too high” and the “Democrats are trying to destroy the country!”

What have unions done for you lately? Its time to leave the past in the past and move forward. Unions are nothing more than businesses.

Republicans are taking rights way from people and think no one is going to say anything.  LOL they are not the smartest people in the world.  Republicans have proven they will do anything to get PBO out of office. It does not matter if most of the country suffers,.  These people are dangerous.  I am so happy Hoffa said he was not going to take it.  We are in a war with nuts, snakes, crackpots and liars.

As I said Hate is coming from BOTH sides. You should’t hate a group of any people for the actions of a few.

Are these real Americans, cupcake? Can you point yourself out in any of the pictures???
http://www.ringospictures.com/index.php?page=20110501

That’s the way the Marxist Left operates.
He’s really following the Hugo Chavez playbook for Democratic (and I DO mean The Party!) Insurrection, here in America.

The only question is, when he refuses to leave next year, will we take that opportunity to split the country, and wall out the Liberal Leeches?

the actual quote:

“We got to keep an eye on the battle that we face: The war on workers. And you see it everywhere, it is the Tea Party. And you know, there is only one way to beat and win that war. The one thing about working people is we like a good fight. And you know what? They’ve got a war, they got a war with us and there’s only going to be one winner. It’s going to be the workers of Michigan, and America. We’re going to win that war,” Jimmy Hoffa Jr. said to a heavily union crowd.

“President Obama, this is your army. We are ready to march. Let’s take these son of bitches out and give America back to an America where we belong,”

private sector unions make up 7%of the work force

And more and more your team makes the word profit into a dirty word, clown. And more and more your team makes making a profit in this country impossible, which is why they flee, clown. Taxed and regulated out of business, clown. Taxed and regulated out of the US, clown.

SHAME!!! SHAME ON YOU JIMMY HOFFA JR!!! Is that better? And I have no idea what you’re talking about because I’m certainly not in any unions. In fact, I think the unions need to be reined in quite a bit. The economy is in a jam and everyone needs to “tighten the waistband.” I don’t, however, think that a recession gives the GOP the right to attempt to destroy a longstanding American tradition and a perpetual thorn in their side.

It’s really alarming the level of cognitive dissonance displayed in this thread by people such as yourself. Do you realize that Jimmy Hoffa Jr. is nothing more than a left-wing version of Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin, et al? A person lining his pockets by conning the frustrated and gullible masses of people just like you?

You were discussing the extremes of rhetoric?
Have you taken a look a look at you’re own language. I presume you think its restrained and morally equivalent?…Of course. 

Still, it’s right up there with the rest of them, so why not?

If it wasn’t for the unnecessary insult at the end: “Besides, I enjoy talking to the stupid lefties on here. LOLOLOLOL! ”  I would have liked your post. Why don’t you keep it real without the insults. You would be a lot more convincing without using them. I’m no angel. But I only dish BS when it’s served to me first.

You can’t cite any proof that Fox lies.

So predictable

And fascists have always used men wealthy men like the Koch brothers to help them gain power, and to kill off labor organizers.

ExPat ExLawyer:”What do you think of Jimmy Hoffa’s comments? Were they completely over the top or not? ……I’ll say it again and again if I have to, As I said earlier hate speech is comming from both sides!

 Let’s stop pretending for a second. Corporations and industry exist for one reason, and that is to make as much money for shareholders as possible. They are not magical, noble creatures. Nor are Unions, for that matter. But if you think for a second that your average corporation would not in an instant put nine year olds on the factory floors at $5 an hour if they could get away with it, then you are dreaming. The only thing keeping them from doing that is unions. So they move all the factories to Carjackistan, where they have no problems with child labor, worker suicides and deplorable working conditions. Not wanting to work in those conditions does not make Union members “Thugs.” It makes them freaking rational.

Now we’re getting there! The sweet talk and you re-posting links reminds me of my sweetpea!

Yeah, I’m the fat Peruvian Marxist with the Che hat on.

I’m guessing this is you?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GNFokenPInk

Isn’t mindless insulting fun?

I hope your name doesnt refer to you owning a Chevy Volt- now that would just make me feel sorry for you.

Nice video Tat………..lol

Bottom line: FK Barry and FK all unions!

The rights taken away would be??????

Hoffa just put the last nail in Obama’s re-election coffin.

God………..another conspiracy theorist. Where do you all come from?

2011 is the year all of America now sees that Unions are nothing but thugs.  Whether is was Wisconsin, Florida, Ohio, you name it, all America has seen is union goons threatening people.

Brian Skinner:” have yet to see any union workers at a drilling rig and they make tons of money and do not get hurt all that much.”………..     The Oil, Chemical and Atomic Workers Union (OCAW) was a trade union in the United States. At the time of its dissolution and merger in 1999, the International represented 80,000 workers and was affiliated with the AFL-CIO.The union was founded as the International Association of Oil Field, Gas Well, and Refinery Workers of America in 1918 after a major strike in the Texas oil fields in late 1917. It affiliated with the American Federation of Labor (AFL). Its membership grew to 30,000 as the oil industry grew rapidly in the United States, but the Great Depression reduced its ranks to just 300 in 1933. In 1937, the union changed its name to the Oil Workers International Union (OWIU). The union affiliated with the Committee for Industrial Organization in early 1938, and AFL President William Green revoked the union’s AFL charter. The OWIU extended its membership into Canada in 1948.OWIU and the United Gas, Coke, and Chemical Workers’ Union (UGCCWU) merged in February 1955 to form the Oil, Chemical, and Atomic Workers Union (OCAW). The UGCCWU had broken away from the United Mine Workers of America in 1942, and won a charter from the Congress of Industrial Organizations (CIO). When the AFL and CIO merged in 1955, so did the two oil workers’ unions.]

boy, your thought was complex and deep too!

I think it is all stupid. I was just throw gas on the petty fire

Hoffa is a thug and a criminal just like his crooked father.

Maybe he can repeat what his father did – and VANISH.

Hoffa represents the labor movement/unions of this country. The one in the pocket of your administration. They funnel millions to socialize this country. http://www.ringospictures.com/index.php?page=20110501 Where is Beck, or Palin in the back pocket of the leaders of this country???

12voltman1, I get what you are saying, and I am all for the legitimate protection of workers, who isnt?

but Im sorry to tell you that unions are obsolete.
 
There isnt anything a union could provide LEGITIMATELY that a lawyer couldn’t provide his client nowadays- and it would be cheaper and better for the worker.
 
Slip and fall at work? Lose your job unfairly? Any worker can sue over those things now.
 
Now Illegitimately? Now there is a benefit to being in a union. Backroom deals, extortion tactics, greasing politicians, bloated pensions, keeping your job even if you dont deserve to- thats really all the union has left to give its members.

Ultimately, the majority of rank and file union workers get none of these great benefits unless you act like a criminal.

What to get all the worth out of your union? You have to lie, cheat and steal. Fake sick days, cheat on overtime, get a no-show job, inflate your pension value. These are all the tricks of the union trade.

There is a reason why the AFLCIO is synonymous with the mafia- When you think of the name Jimmy Hoffa, and you dont think “great union leader”, you think “mobster.”

12voltman1, I get what you are saying, and I am all for the legitimate protection of workers, who isnt?

but Im sorry to tell you that unions are obsolete.
 
There isnt anything a union could provide LEGITIMATELY that a lawyer couldn’t provide his client nowadays- and it would be cheaper and better for the worker.
 
Slip and fall at work? Lose your job unfairly? Any worker can sue over those things now.
 
Now Illegitimately? Now there is a benefit to being in a union. Backroom deals, extortion tactics, greasing politicians, bloated pensions, keeping your job even if you dont deserve to- thats really all the union has left to give its members.

Ultimately, the majority of rank and file union workers get none of these great benefits unless you act like a criminal.

What to get all the worth out of your union? You have to lie, cheat and steal. Fake sick days, cheat on overtime, get a no-show job, inflate your pension value. These are all the tricks of the union trade.

There is a reason why the AFLCIO is synonymous with the mafia- When you think of the name Jimmy Hoffa, and you dont think “great union leader”, you think “mobster.”

i was talking about the original tea party you twat. you liberal failures are the ignorant ones. you are nothing without the collective.

Thugs of a feather flock together

Obama…..one and done.

We need a Wisconsin moment in every state. They say they gave us the weekend??? They gave us this glorious holiday??? Well we have thanked them long enough. They have worn out their welcome long ago. Hoffa and his union goons have profited off the backs of working men and women long enough, and have done so at the expense of too many business owners, just like the leeches in government. Thank you for your remarks Mr. Hoffa, and Mr. Trumpka. Many of us have a renewed interest is seeing you run out of office and out of the faces of honest businessmen. There are more eyes and ears capturing your thuggish Anti-American tactics than in any time in human history. Soon they will make you a part of history. Good riddance!

Share it! http://www.ringospictures.com/index.php?page=20110501

There has been a constant war on unions thats why numbers are down and thats why wages have been stagnant too.  

Mr. Hoffa Jr. you are out of line and need to be removed from your current position. You do not speak for me nor my brothers nationwide! 

B-HO and his goons have proven that they will do anything to stay in office, clown, including trampling the laws of this country. You people are dangerous, but Americans have never been afraid of a just war. Too bad that that will be your undoing, huh, sweetie?

Hoffa has a head, like a block of cement, only not as big as Daddy’y block.

Hoffa just on John King-CNN.  No big surprise, never brought up the violent rhetoric Hoffa spewed today.  Amazing the double standard of the main stream media

Every Drilling rig I have been to is a non Union one in a right to work state and they were all happy with their jobs.

So you admit that what Beck, Palin, etc. have said has been just as stupid as what Hoffa says here? It’s just that because Hoffa represents labor, a main money source for Democrats, this is worse/different?

I’m just trying to keep up with the moving goal posts. If you want to discuss the unsavory character of those making big time political donations believe me I”m all ears.

Well I would demand money from the Union too if they are going on strike and making me not be able to work for a living.   I say take all of the Unions money.   The same thing happened to Booker T Washington.    He was a former slave and had a job in a mine and then the greedly Union went on strike and forced the mine out of business and then he had no job thanks to them.

Tiny Tiny…get a backbone!!! It’s about time we are tired of slackers and if you tea party biotches can’t hang on the porch with the big dogs…get the hell off!

There were union goons with their kids there today.  Shame on them.

If you had a day off today. Thank A Union

Dems took two seats away from the GOP.That’s perspective.

If you don’t have a job today, blame Obama 

Why, are you too much of a sissy to ask for a day off??? Or a raise? You need to have someone negotiate which clothes to wear to?

Who negotiates with the taxpayer when your teachers want a raise? Who represents them?

Why, are you too much of a sissy to ask for a day off??? Or a raise? You need to have someone negotiate which clothes to wear to?

Who negotiates with the taxpayer when your teachers want a raise? Who represents them?

The only thing to thank a Union for is showing us how Communism gets it’s toe in the door.

If you have been trying to get a job for two years now, thank a Union for sending all our jobs overseas.

Many Americans have had two years of EVERY day off from work now under Obama and his Union thugs chasing all our good jobs overseas.

The MORON is you and your unionist bastard fellow freeloaders who call each other “brothers” because you have no idea who your father is.

Tina …sounds like you are wayyyyyyyy past your prime!!! UNIONS!!!! ALL THE WAYYYYYY!!! The nutcases that don’t want unions are probably a bunch of Repukes and Tea pissers…they would rather buy homes they can’t aford or get jobs handed to them because they feel entitled…you just hate the fact that you aren’t skilled…THANK A UNION!!!

If you watch the entire clip, rather than the FOX edit, it’s abundantly clear that Hoffa was referring to voting these guys out of office. It was not a call to violence, and this all just the latest faux poutrage from Ailes and the boys.
It might be easier to take their need for smelling salts a bit more seriously if they weren’t the same network that happily broadcast Glenn Beck and his repeated thinly-veiled calls for violence.

 Slay them strawmen, teabagger!

 Slay them strawmen, teabagger!

The Freaking Yankees are all in a union. Why don’t you boycott them?

Thank conservatism, corporate deregulation and global trade deals.

I must have touched a freaking nerve. Ahhhhhhhhhh

 Except it wasn’t a veiled threat. Watch the entire clip and not the FOX edit.

And unions and union supporters: http://www.ringospictures.com/index.php?page=20110501

WHO in the Obama Media will have the nerve to ask him about the blatant hypocrisy and double-standard his SILENCE has shown?

The Lying Left has employed calculated racial smears and implied threats spewed against political opponents by elected officials, union bosses, and even the Vice President…and it seems these people are as wanton and devious as they come.
Welcome to today’s DEMOCRATIC Party!

This is hypocrisy at it’s best! the republican candidates Should demand that Obama come out and discourage this kind of behavior. However that’s not going to happen because most of the american population will not hear this being said by this thug. Obama is lucky that the Hugo Chavez media is on his side. However it is our duty to unite and show them at the end that it wasn’t tea party people, it wasn’t republicans, it was Americans that want to take back our nation. That the unions do not and will not run this country into the ground with their thuggish ways. Intimidate us, no, wake us up, yes! Don’t tread on us! Unite and conquer !

The unionist anti-human freeloaders priced themselves out of North America, because in their delusions of grandeur, they fancied that an uneducated slug whose only job is, for example, to plug a screw in a pre-drilled hole every 15 minutes – you know, overpaid, underworked assembly line automatons – is worth as much as as the job of someone who did not drop out of school at grade 7 and WORKED for his/her pay.

Only idiots who are unable to speak for themselves need a union thug who promises or even better guarantees broken bones for anyone who dares to disagree with them need a union.

Honesty, hard work and mutual respect always worked for me and those of us who had/has the courage to say NO to the thugs who refuse to allow one to have the RIGHT TO WORK.  

Wow, you must have been smoking wacky tabacky when you listened to the speech.
Don’t you know firey rehtoric when you hear it?

Do you think somoene is really going to get hurt physically?

Wishful thinking

Just look at Trumka or that other thug, Leo Girard.

If any dictionary ever needed illustration for the words “BULLY” and “THUG” the picture- and history – of these two are perfect.

Did you take some sort of survey while you were at the rally?

“Let’s take these sons of bitches out and give America back!”

This is the best campaign ad quote for the 2012 elections; I cant wait to see it.
50% of independents have already fled for this alone, even ‘ordinary’ union members.

Obam and hoffa…you can go fuck yourselves. Americans wont take your shite and when we’re done with your thugs we’ll come or you.

In all fairness, unions WERE needed until about 1980.

After that they displayed their utter contempt to the people, when the grossly overrated, overpaid and underworked air-traffic controllers  got their well-deserved comeuppance from the greatest President, who got their sorry asses fired for being typically obtuse assholes.

I guess you are ready to work for $5 USD per day, 6 days a week, without overtime pay, without health or safety regulations, then going back to your decrepit home and tell the family how much you enjoyed your day at work.

Brian, aren’t you tired of 12voltman1 just dragging you trough the mud (figurtively)?

The Democratic Party of Intolerance & Hate rears it’s Ugly Head again!

Remember when Obama called for civility, working together, not poisoning the well, etc.?
He says what you want to hear, and he’s LIES about everything! 

and getting smaller with each passing year.

Just like all them sponges collecting Social Security and Medicare?

What about if we all e-mail King and the other Media Propagandists every time they cover-up for the Democrats and Left?

Is there any site that co-ordinates feedback to specific media hacks?

I don’t know which one of these two is the bigger moron. Hoffa Jr for opening his mouth and saying this or Obama for keeping his shut and not condemning it on the spot.

Figure at the rate Obama is going, Hoffa JR may be the only one left voting for him.

Based on those remarks, that toe may have to be amputated.

Not since the John Birch Society has a viler group than the teabaggers appeared on the American scene.

Really. And which “teabagger” called millions of Americans “sons of bitches” at a rally for the POTUS?

Care to answer?

Yawn!

Nice exaggeration.

Wait Jimmy Jr is a teabagger?

I know the unions were disappointed with Obama, but really.

I’m just tellin it like it is, Sparky. Nothing extreme about what I said.

BWaaahahahaha!

Because your post was so simple-minded.

….and now we get about 1 day of productivity out of a 5 day a week union worker. I say hire Mexicans…

I did watch the entire discourse. I agree, it was not a veiled threat. It was a direct incitement to commit violence. Nothing veiled about it.

You mean 1 hour of productivity in a 8 hour union work day? And that 1 hour was lunch break? Hahaha

I’ve had American made and foreign made in america.  My Honda was waaaay better than that crappy chevy I had.  What a complete piece of shit.  I will put my money where it lasts the longest,  Honda, Toyota….I might buy a Ford onky becasue they didn’t take the bailout money.

No wonder our manufacturing jobs are flying overseas. American union productivity is shamefully embarrassing.

The only carpenters I know don’t speak English. They are true craftsmen….oh, and non-union, too.

1929…..thanks, Union.  You did your job, now go away.  we don’t need you any more.  All you do now is drive up prices and donate dues to liberal politicians to insure your continues favoritism. 

I’m not usually all that enamored with the “host-conservative-liberal” Fox News format, but this one had a particularly funny line which made me laugh out loud.

I got a good laugh when a suddenly feisty Dick Harpootlian said, “I know it’s touchy-feely time up there at Fox today but …”.  Touchy-feely time? WTF? 

Such a bold and hilarious zinger directed at the affable Megyn Kelly’s newly found outrage about over the top rhetoric from the Left had me in stitches. Where is her outrage when Fox’s own contrarians Eric Bolling, Laura Ingraham, Judge Napolitano and Sean Hannity use anger-driven rhetorical devices to exaggerate their positions and/or vitriol toward Obama?

C’mon Megyn, I love ya gal (ur so smart), but don’t you think you’re being a tad bit disingenuous (and inconsistent) by throwing a hissy fit about what Hoffa had to say about Fox’s beloved Tea Party.

OBAMO tried to wrest guns out of the hands of ‘bitter clingers’ because he wanted this war to happen. Much easier to kill off the ‘enemy’ (OBAMO’s word, not mine) when you’ve first rendered them defenseless.

OBAMO wants this war; we’ll know it when he doesn’t comment on the Union Hack’s violent rhetoric.

Sure would be nice if folks would air the full video, where it’s clear he was talking about VOTING them out… This is a classic Breitbart style edit, done by FoxNews, and spread by the wing nut bloggers… In context, it makes these folks on the right look kinda desperate.

Just the latest example of Fux LYING to their dumbass viewers with a DECEPTIVELY and DISHONESTLY editing and the Reich-wing propagandists spewing forth the LIE. 

MediaMatters has the complete rundown here: http://mediamatters.org/blog/201109050003

Only those who want to be intentionally LIED to and dumb enough to believe the LIEs watch Fux.

Just the latest example of Fux LYING to their dumbass viewers with a DECEPTIVELY and DISHONESTLY editing and the Reich-wing propagandists spewing forth the LIE. 

MediaMatters has the complete rundown here: http://mediamatters.org/blog/201109050003

Only those who want to be intentionally LIED to and dumb enough to believe the LIEs watch Fux.

Yes, perhaps you’re right.
…There isn’t any moral equivalency.

So Zara Golden thinks that voting is a violent act. Doesn’t that seem a little odd? I wonder if she thinks all voting is violent, or just voting against Republicans …

Herman Monk

I see Mediaite has added the following update:
“Later in the day, Fox News aired a longer clip of the comments to add necessary context to the comments.”

Wow. That is really lame Mediaite. Why not say what “context” was added.

Hoffa really said, “Everybody here’s got to vote. If we go back and keep the eye on the prize, let’s take these son of a bitches out and give America back to America where we belong!”

That is a huge difference from what was shown in Megyn’s clip. Even FNC’s Ed Henry has admitted as much.

what factories have you seen in Philadelphia, Detroit,chicago,lately. It is heartning I grew up with factories all around me in Phila everybody had a job. Unions negotiated themselves downsouth and than  to asian countries. Businesses are in the business to make money. I was never given a job by a poor person. I never dreamt I wanted to be poor. 

Unions are moot in a time where Government regulations cover everything unions tout.

Unions are all about money and politics. Members pay dues and the Union leadership gives it to Obama.

“TMP”

Chevy’s are made like crap, Fords are doing great with terrific numbers being sold all over the world. Chrysler is owned by the Italians now and we pay for their union pensions. 

Shut your computer off 12, it’s not made in the US. While your at it get rid of your TV, Microwave, Dishwasher, vacuum cleaner, coffee pot, lamps, phones, shirts and pants, shoes, ect, ect.

You leftists have regulated industry right out of the country.  Thanks. 

“TMP”

No one gets weekends off anymore, or Sundays and holidays. What planet do you live on, fantasy planet?

“TMP”

finally democrats –acting like republicans…

oh wait–do i hear crying? waaaa waa?

too bad–it is time to drink the tea—
we are tired of being nice–we are tired of bending over backwards–now eare just going to kick some ass!
i will bet anyone here 1000 american dollars there will not be a republican president in the white house in 2012–any takers? big mouths?
and i will bet another 1000 that there will be a demoocratic congress as well….
come on folks—
i needs some seed money for that big wind farm in Texas–OBAMA WINDS!!!

Most people I know only work a 5 day work week and yes they do get weekends off unless they work in retail.As far as the planet I live on. I wish It a planet that was not full of people who only use falsehoods and insults when in a discussion.Why do you think they have the majority of Golf, football and Baseball games are  on Saturday and Sunday. Do you think it is because everybody’s at work at those times?

To 12 volt,

The amalgamated Clothing Workers of America are now defunct.  They are now called UNITE HERE who now represent hotel, food service, laundry, warehouse, and casino gaming industries. There’s no real clothing manufacturing going on in the US any more and almost all the textile factories have been shut down because they couldn’t compete with foreign manufacturers due to the high costs of labor and regulation.

They also work 24 hours a day 7days a week now.  How the worm turns. Like I said before, unions have become moot.

“TMP”

No one works an 8 hour work day anymore 12.  You’re living in fantasy land.

“TMP”

More rhetoric.  Ask any college grad if he just works 8 hours a day.  Maybe for the government but not in the real world or if you want to get ahead.

“TMP”

500 comments people.  Its labor day. Go to a cook out

It’s the 21st century 12 volt.

We have OSHA, to give workers the safe environment to work in.  We also have child labor laws now. We have wage and hourly restrictions through the Labor department.  Government jobs all.  We even have a Federally regulated minimum wage.  Laws about wrongful dissmissal, sexual discrimination equal pay for equal work, ect, ect.  It all comes from big brother so why do we need unions?  We need unions so people can pay dues to give to the liberals so they can get elected to Government.

The other use for unions is when they come to your house and slash your tires or call you at 3 in the morning to threaten your family and even to paint swastikas on your front door.  they are also good at burning your company trucks and beating your employees just for wanting to be hard working Americans and speak for themselves and not donate to causes they don’t agree with.

How American unions are these days.  You know, declare war on fellow citizens because it campaign season and their buddy is in the White House.

There has been a big decline in union membership in the past two decades because they have become obsolete.  You stay in the 1800ds 12 volt, it where you belong.

“TMP”

Fox News and Mediaite editing james r. hoffa shows how scared the republicans are.  what liberal media?

Hoffa calls on Americans to vote.  conservatives hate when Americans vote because conservatives hate America

If you don’t want to work the hours don’t take the job.   We don’t need to have a Union to make that possible.

fox news….lying?!?! shocked I tell you

absolutely shocked

This is about as stupid as saying that Sarah Palin’s chart that had a bull’s eye on Gabby Giffords was somehow violent.

“Violent” rhetoric doesn’t hurt anybody. VIOLENCE hurts people. How about we wait until some union thugs actually engage in thuggery. And we don’t need to be reminded about the Progressive propaganda media’s hypocrisy in letting Progressives and Communists get away with similar language that Sarah Palin and numerous other conservatives have used. It’s a foregone conclusion that Progressives and Communists are hypocrites.

I posted facts pal not falsehoods. I didn’t insult anyone.
TIVO is the thing these days because people have to go to work. Hooray for your 5 day a week pals but it’s not the rule anymore, it’s the exception. I’ve never worked a 5 day week consistently. I was all about making a living and providing for my family.

You stay in your dream world. 12 volt. It seems to be your comfort zone.

“TMP”

Speaking of “backfire”. I remember when Teabaggers protest at Obama rallies with LOADED RIFLES.

Today, the unions, not just Hoffa’s, are making it perfectly clear to Obama that they will not support him or any DINO next year if the Democrats continue to cave into the Republicans by not doing more to help out the middle class.

This is it rich people. Your days of leeching off of the hard working, productive middle class are over.

conservatives owe jimmy hoffa and working Americans an apology.

Ms. Golden.
In the best case scenario, I’m going to pretend that your above post was an attempt to be sincere. The biggest reason behind the surge in the independent media is the corruption that is run amuck in the mainstream media. At best, there are those who don’t know better and are just simply products of the system. And at worst, there are those who are willfully dishonest to a shameless capacity. It is important to recognize that one ounce of stupidity is enough (and sometimes like in your case, rightfully so) to undermine an entire undertaking. Moral equivlence speaks volume, which is why comparing Hoffa’s remarks to Palin’s is a level of misguidedness that if not corrected, undermines your whole piece as it rightfully should. I don’t care what you think of Palin, but she hasn’t said anything comparable to Hoffa’s statement and to suggest she has is an insult to people’s intelligence (even when dont through an ostensible display of humility). Please put more thought into the things you write.

Of course unions didn’t want it. They didn’t “want” Detroit to turn into the pile of crap it is, but they managed to make it so, nonetheless. Unions do not care about the workers. They would rather see their workers be laid off and run a company into the ground than give up their power. 

Conservative estimates show that unions have cost the US economy an average of a $1,000,000,000,000 (adjusted for current values – yeah, that’s a trillion) a year for the last 6+ decades. Union members get paid better than their non-union counterparts, but they’re only getting a slightly larger piece of a much smaller pie.

You seem to believe that people in low wage jobs will never have anything but a low wage job. Most of these jobs are taken by people just entering the workforce who will move to higher wage jobs within a couple years. Many will be earning a solid middle class income within a decade. Did you ever work for minimum wage? Do you now? Didn’t think so.

The reason tea party rally turnout has been low is that it’s not an election year and members of the tea party have jobs and families to support. They are not paid, professional protesters like the ANSWER/Union crowds. Wait until next year. You will be going through a roll of paper towels every day just wiping the spittle from your monitor. 

Fact: Protection is cents on the dollar! Not one for one!

Fact:  conservatives that love America will save the day again in 2012 and throw out the socialist that have been trying to bury the American way.

Stole twenty YEARS!,..so you pay hundreds now a month for H&W, no pension built-up? C’mon, whatdaya take folks for…

Reading an excellent article (70 YEARS OF TEA PARTY OBSTRUCTIONISM)I
realize I have been mistaken in talking about the teabggers roots just
going back to the haydays of the John Birchers.
Back in the 60′s Tom Hayden traced them back to the Dixiecrats. And of course the teabbagers try to claim the old red-neck racist Dixiecrats resemble today’s Democratic Party in some way.

 “1. Speaking broadly, the Dixiecrats represent economic-political
-social conservatism—altho ugh it is dominated by expediency whenever
their power is threatened.

2. Since 1960, voting records indicate their general opposition to civil
rights, foreign aid, extensions of unemployment compensation, aid for
depressed areas, medical care for the aged, tax cuts favoring the
underprivileged classes, a minimum wage, federal aid to education and
public housing.

3. In addition to these formal differences with the liberal wing of the
Democratic and Republican parties, the Dixiecrats often are vociferously
belligerent in their attacks on integrationists and other liberals.”

Worht a full read:  http://www.educationanddemocracy.org /FSCfiles/C_CC4b_P
owerOfTheDixiecrat s.htm
   http://tinyurl.com /HaydenDK

Gun Nuts ARE!

Go take one of those hamburger flipping jobs Perry’s talk’n bout!..Better yet partner, go ranch’n with cow punchers as general labor-clean-out corals and such down in ‘ol central Texas, then come back and tell us about how great Texas is as a red state. Hell, plenty for you to do there, just plan on maybe a shorter~
poorer life with little H&W you can afford-underfunded 401k and, thanks to the TBer’s-no SSA funds to boot.

Funny how the [Fox] media CONCERN is so out on display now over possible viooooolent intent!!…Whew!;…as long as it’s a Demo (labor organizer in other countries) being targeted, the silence from Teabagger supporters is deafening. No honor & no credibility.

Hoffa’s violent rhetoric is the sort that Sarah Palin was charged with

Only it wasn’t violent rhetoric if the part that made it non-violent wasn’t edited out.  Boy is journalism becoming unethical, dishonest and sloppy.

The Vice President of the United States has called us some of the most hated names in America, terrorist, hostage takers and barbarians. Congressional men and women call you Racist without justification AND YOU ARE TOLD YOU CAN GO TO HELL. HAVE THE PROGRESSIVES NOW DECIDED THE WAY TO MEET THE Tea Party intellectual challenge is by demonizing you As a threat to their followers very life style and even America. herself. Are they inciting violence against us? I think so Read this “We are your army against the Tea Party. Lets take these Sons Of Bitches Out. We are ready to March. Jimmy Hoffa leader of the AFof L CIO Our president said he was proud of him after his speech. I did not think it would come to this. It seems the progressives are releasing all of their dogs after beating their cages with A STICK FOR A couple OF HOURS.Quote from Crabby Appleton I will hold the President and Vice President of the United States responsible for any violence done to Tea Party MembersAdd a replyAdd a reply

no don’t thank a union – thank yourself – get off your butt and go look for a job.   They are out there! If you can’t find one it is your own fault so quit feeling sorry for yourself.   You may have to find minimum wage as you may not be qualified for anything else but you will not be unemployed for weeks or years..  Or move to one of those right to work states if your not already there…

He was just kidding.  It was a metaphor.  

Hoffa is WAY out of line with such comments — and I am NOT a Tea Party supporter, not at ALL. And the President needs to condemn them.

Maybe that was true 102 years ago … do you remember?  I can think of
a lot of organizations that have done a Hell of a lot more good for mankind…

US Army US Navy US Marine Corps, for starters.

By the way, what does your service record look like? 

Maybe that was true 102 years ago … do you remember?  I can think of
a lot of organizations that have done a Hell of a lot more good for mankind…

US Army US Navy US Marine Corps, for starters.

By the way, what does your service record look like? 

Demand comes naturally by a company creating a product people want to buy. All the tax cuts in the world cannot give people the desire to buy crap. Tax cuts can, however, keep corporations from moving overseas. The US currently has the highest corporate tax rate in the industrialized world and labors under a ridiculous regulatory burden which costs our economy hundreds of billions of dollars a year. Why would any company volunteer for all that just and keep jobs in America just so the company could be crushed by a union? Jobs are fleeing overseas now much faster than ever before. You can blame Bush all you want, but this is Obama’s economy. 

By the way, Boeing is backordered on a product that people want to buy but Obama has intentionally stopped them from creating over 1,000 high paying US manufacturing jobs. The workers in NC would get the same benefits and wages as their union counterparts in WA but the company wouldn’t have the headacht of dealing with the arm-twisting and thuggery. And you still think Obama’s focused on jobs. Yet another lie from the man who makes Bill Clinton look like Abe Lincoln. 

OBAMO: Violence-inciting Mob Boss

http://blogs.dailymail.com/donsurber/archives/41690
Don’t fear the Hoffa
September 5, 2011 by Don SurberJimmy Hoffa got his job as Teamster president the old-fashioned way: He inherited from his father who had the misfortune of being offed by mobsters. On Labor Day, the AFL-CIO and the Teamsters decided for irony’s sake to rally in Detroit, a town ruined by the UAW, and the SEIU loaned them President Obama to serve as their main speaker. Hoffa huffed and puffed and actually threatened violence against members of the Tea Party. But while conservatives should be concerned, this is not the pants-wetter it might have been 30 years ago.But fear not this army that President Obama now has. First there is the business of shop rules. Everyone will work an 8-hour day with a 15-minute break in the morning, a 15-minute break in the afternoon and a half-hour lunch. People will work to the rule. The president will have to pay prevailing wages which means $50 an hour for a minimum-wage “volunteer.”On the phone bank, no robocalling because that puts three people out of work. Each call will be placed by a dialer, who will hand the phone over to the greeter, who will give a brief greeting, and finally the phone will be given to the messenger who will deliver the message of the day.

Tommy Christopher is the only one, that I’ve seen here at Politico, “taking on the GOPsters”. At least he, four hours after this story was posted, posted his own article with the full quote, in context, that shows that Hoffa was talking about the voting process. FOX’s original quote mining video is pretty pathetic, as usual.

Everybody here has a vote, if we go back and we keep the eye on the prize. Let’s take these sons of bitches out and give America back to America where we belong.

Here is what Hoffa said: HOFFA: “Everybody here’s got to vote. If we go back and keep the eye on the prize, let’s take these son of a bitches out and give America back to America where we belong! Thank you very much!”

Here is what Charles Koch said:
“We have Saddam Hussein,” declared billionaire industrialist Charles Koch, apparently referring to President Barack Obama as he welcomed hundreds of wealthy guests to the latest of the secret fundraising and strategy seminars he and his brother host twice a year. The 2012 elections, he warned, will be “the mother of all wars.”

Your attempt at rationalizing is succeeding remarkably well! I can see perception clearly turning in your favor. Well played, Sir!

You better read the whole quote, because you got scammed (again) by Fox and Friends.

It is amazing what you can do if your company has an “end justifies the means policy”. Just a snip here or there and you can flip a story.

So far, most of the violence done in this country, including 911 itself, has been coming from the right. Religious fanatics and fascism are a function of the right, as communism and atheism is a function of the left. It is up to each side to subdue their own fanatics.

There is a degree of truth to your words, however, not quite what you intended, never the less…

I suggest that a culture which disregards the experience, or, wisdom of their elders, are only compounding the trials and tribulations the younger generation must endure.  Thus placing that culture in jeopardy

At the very least the Left can’t seem to  recognize the “Spirit” of the Tea Party, as an attribute possessed in their own revolution of sorts. I find such perplexing?  The Tea Party see themselves as the natural progeny of our Fore Father’s and  ”the Spirit of 76.”  Images of the flag, fife and drum marching down the road playing “Yankee Doodle.”

To me, and the rest of “the old-crank generation, the image is patriotic and endearing.  To the Left and their younger “useful idiots,” such is now a silly cartoon.

God Bless America  

It is nothing but thuggery and hate speech; it is what the unions are all about.  Obama should not say “no comment” he shold say there is no place in politics for this hateful rhetoric.

It is inconceivable that Obama means “work together” when he mouths it and then refuses to condemn “take out the SOBs” violent rhetoric.

It is inconceivable that the media can continue to stand behind Obama’s claims of bipartisanship and adulthood when he refuses to condemn the violent and hateful rhetoric of the unions.

Hey Hoffa you low life obama ass kiss idiot I am not a S.O.B. I am one of the Americans that pays your unions way so your people can sit around and get paid. Or dumb ass teachers with no common sense. I have had union employees work for me & I can tell you they are worthless. Just like you ya loud mouth

Of course, not so Jb, since in context, what Hoffa said was not outside the ordinary or inappropriate. See above, however, what Charles Koch, the chief tea party funding source said, in the presence of numerous tea party folk. Surely that is over the line? What do you think? Shouldn’t everyone who was in attendance, including numerous governors, candidates, etc, be asked to repudiate what Koch said?

your kind of post is what what’s wrong with this country. just throw your anonymous stones. You probably spend hours on the computer being a self righteous contrarian. Maybe you could better spend your time volunteering in a jail or something.

I thought Sunday’s were off so all the “wacky god lovers” could go to church.

Word  Unions have destroyed just as many as they take from someone else..  Oh unions dont create jobs.

Yes sir, nothing a right wing lunatic likes better than to portray himself as a victim.  Fox mangles the quote, takes it out of context, ignores its own reporter when he tries to set the record straight, lies AGAIN about the quote and the word spreads all OVER the right wing boobyhatchery that Jimmy Hoffa Jr. is lusting for the blood of conservatives.  Heck!  Why tell the TRUTH when the LIE is just so much more FUN to TELL?

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I can understand the spirit of the Tea Party and a desire for expressing patriotism…and I can see how such imagery can be appealing.

My problem with the Tea Party is that I feel that their view of America (and it’s founding principles) is overly narrow, at best….and a bordering on fiction at worst.

The Tea Party always expresses its desires in terms of wanting to go back in time to a bygone era rather than about applying American principles to the country as it is now…or about making our country great for the people who are here now.

They try to present the era of our founding as a glorious time of political and social unity…when it simply was not.   They want you to think that everyone in 1787 agreed with their views.   Simply not the case.   The debate over the role and size of government was as vigorous then as it is now.  There have always been “liberals” and have always been “conservatives”…even if they didn’t call themselves those names. 

The US Constitution is the result of a very grand, high-minded compromise between factions with very different views (something that would not be possible in today’s politics).   

Ultimately, I think the Tea Party is a recognition that America has become a very diverse, very complex place….and I think people in the Tea Party find that scary.   Not because they are racist, but because they have a hard time relating to this newer generation of Americans.  

So, they’re trying to take the country back to what they genuinely see as a “simpler” time….but they forget that those times were not “simple” for other Americans (such as Blacks, Latinos, gays, etc).   It doesn’t make the Tea Partiers racists, but I think it explains why many non-Tea-Party people in the country might see it that way….they see it as nostaligia for a bygone era that wasn’t very good to them. 

So my problem with the Tea Party is NOT that they want to be patriotic.  My problem is that they see the  past through rose-colored glasses…and that their view of America simply doesn’t fit with contemporary realities. 

Elnaco wrote:
“organizations that have done a Hell of a lot more good for mankind…US Army US Navy US Marine Corps, for starters.”

I am not saying that all service personal of the US are war criminals or that most people who serve are
responsabile for the following. But you brought the subject up. I am not proud of:

Atomic bombings
of Hiroshima and Nagasaki.Within the first two to four months of the bombings,
the acute effects killed 90,000–166,000 people in Hiroshima and 60,000–80,000
in Nagasaki,with roughly half of the deaths in each city occurring on the first day. The
Hiroshima prefectural health department estimates that, of the people who died
on the day of the explosion, 60% died from flash or flame burns, 30% from
falling debris and 10% from other causes. During the following months, large
numbers died from the effect of burns, radiation sickness, and other injuries,
compounded by illness. In a US estimate of the total immediate and short term
cause of death, 15–20% died from radiation sickness, 20–30% from flash burns, and 50–60% from other
injuries, compounded by illness.In both cities, most of the dead were civilian

The My
Lai Massacre was the mass murder of 347 to 504 unarmed citizens in South
Vietnam, almost entirely civilians, most of them women and children, conducted by U.S. Army
forces on March 16, 1968. Some of the victims were sexually abused, beaten,
tortured, or maimed, and some of the bodies were found mutilated or the Vietnamese
 and Americian  service Victims of Agent Orange.

Amnesty International has condemned the 1999 NATO bombing of Yugoslavia,
which they confirm killed 400 civilians (some sources place this figure at over
1,000) in what it claims were violations of international law and war crimes,
due to deliberate targeting of civilian infrastructure and indiscriminate
attacks, with lack of precautionary measures taken to prevent civilian
casualties

Beginning in
2004, human rights violations in the form of physical,
psychological, and sexual
abuse, including torture,]rape]
sodomy,] and homicide[ of prisoners held in
the Abu Ghraib prison in Iraq (also known as Baghdad
Correctional Facility) came to public attention. These acts were committed by
military police personnel of the United States Army together with additional US governmental
agencies

As the cold-blooded 2007 killing of Iraqi civilians,
including a Reuters cameraman, by US soldiers in an Apache helicopter, shocked
everyone last year, the latest disclosures detailing numerous instances of the
casual brutality of occupation forces are sure to outrage the world. In just
one instance, during a raid in 2006, an entire Iraqi family, including one man,
four women and five children, was executed and their house blown by a US
airstrike in order to destroy the evidence. The incident was reported soon
after by John Glaser of Antiwar.com but back then in 2006 the US media and
officials had hushed it up as “mere allegations.” Who knows how many such “mere
allegations” are out there waiting to be discovered? No wonder, the US and its
other Western allies have gone after the whistleblower, using everything and
every power at their disposal to silence him. But you cannot suppress the truth
forever, can you?

Scores, if not hundreds, of
Taliban prisoners of war suffocated to death inside metal cargo containers
where they were imprisoned after surrendering to Northern Alliance and US
forces in the Afghan city of Kunduz in late November. The Taliban prisoners,
mostly foreign volunteers from Pakistan, died of asphyxiation and injuries
inside the airtight shipping containers during a two or three day journey to a
prison in the town of Sheberghan.

These horrific deaths occurred around
the same time as hundreds of other Taliban POWs from Kunduz were being
massacred by US and Northern Alliance forces at the prison fortress near
Mazar-i-Sharif, and have been followed by reports of widespread killings of
surrendering soldiers in the Kandahar area and elsewhere. Nothing more clearly
exposes the barbaric and colonial character of the war in Afghanistan than the
fact that the US and its proxy forces are openly and knowingly violating the
Geneva Convention by carrying out the deliberate torture and extermination of
non-Afghan Taliban prisoners.

It seems like the right’s bagmen for big corporate interests must be really tottin’ these days. Without unionization, then no weekend, no 40 hour work week, no child labor laws, no worker safety laws, no discrimination laws, and no redress for work related injuries, for example. Currently unionized workers represent only 12% of the population, I believe. Though the rights they stand up for usually end up benefiting all workers.

”If I had to name my greatest strength, I guess it would be my humility. Greatest weakness, it’s possible that I’m a little too awesome.” —Barack Obama, at the 2008 Al Smith Dinner

”If I had to name my greatest strength, I guess it would be my humility. Greatest weakness, it’s possible that I’m a little too awesome.” —Barack Obama, at the 2008 Al Smith Dinner

All pissed off because Biden tells the truth about the teabaggers….And ignorant &/or dishonest enough to use  DECEPTIVE FUX LIE!

Not all teabaggers are racists but a hell of a big percentage are. Not all teabaggers are stupid but a hell of a large percentage are. Not all teabaggers are, but 90%+ are. Not all teabaggers are bible thumpers, but a hell of a lot are. Not all teabaggers watch Fux….just 99%.

That’s why is quite correct for Rep. Waters to urge the populous to tell them to go to hell and Hoffa to call for voting the sons-o-bitches out.

Where you work now Walmart?????????????? Conservatives have their Teabaggers, we have our unions that my father was a proud member and officer UMW, those union wages paid to send me to college, I had a stay at home mom, then I became a union member by choice UAW, my wife member of CWA, yes I have lot to be thankful for by having union job and representation, I gladly paid union dues. I just feel sorry for all the young men and women that graduate from H.S. and cannot afford to go to college, where are they going to find jobs. Not everyone has a ranch or farm that has been subsidized by tax dollars handed down from one generation to another………..most people that complain about unions are too lazy to work for a living……….I asked a farmer one time what the 4×4 on his truck stood for, 4 weeks in  the field and 4 weeks in FL, he replied that is untrue, it should be 6×6. One more thing about you just4thefax, glad u r not a union member any longer for we would have a word for you when trouble & negotations time came………SCAB

Bring it on Hoffa… Your Daddy wasn’t so tough now, was he?

My compliments.  

Your letter was reasoned and thoughtful.  Furthermore, you articulated what you perceive as the “compare and contrast” of the issue before us.In fact, I would prefer to think about your comment before replying, as all too often we here in Mediaite, tend to write “retort’s,” rather than a “response.” LOL  (Respectfully, I’d like to chew on this a while?)

Lastly, your metaphor about “rose colored glasses” and the past, is excellent in this context.  As a Philosopher, I can play with that (so can you) in a number of ways…  For instance, can one look to the future with “rose colored glasses?”  Hmm,  LOL

Sincerely, Purveyor

I wonder if obama will come out a ask for the union to compromise with the tea party? NO F-ING WAY.
I wonder if obama will ask jimmy to sit down and discuss where he and the tea party can find 
  common ground? NO F-ING WAY.
I wonder if obama will call for CIVILITY from the unions? NO F-ING WAY.

KEEP LICKING THE UNION/OBAMA BOOT YOU TOOLS, AND KEEP THE MONEY COMING.

Sounds nice. Y’all really need to send some union reps down here to the South. Maybe they’ll still be looking for junior fifty years from now. NAFTA is a direct result of union greed. The specimens I’ve seen on the tube and met in person don’t impress me at all as ‘working class’. You can shake a mans hand and look him in the eye to find out real quick. Bunch of chunky, lard-assed, loud-mouthed bullies. You’re in for a rude awakening if you think that shit will fly in my country.

Sarah Palin produced a target map with crosshairs over the faces of the politicians she wanted eliminated. That to me, puts her on the same level as a terrorist. Hoffa’s so called “warning” as the media loves to play up, was nothing compared to Palin wanting people dead.

Haha…funny to watch you trip on your own logic, Norbit.

So, let’s get this straight:  Clinton had NOTHING to do with the booming economy in the 90s, but the economy now is all Obama’s fault??  What a joke.

Sarah Palin wanted Gifford eliminated and did her best to make that happen with her target map. You can rattle on all you want that it wasn’t intended as a violent act, but it was. If it had been you and me or any other average Joe or Jane, with the same map found in our home, we’d be behind bars.

You commented.

You commented.

Hope you like that minimum wage…hope it all trickles down on you…fool

So…what was the “violent” part of the “violent rhetoric”?

Calling the TeaTraitors SOB’s is child’s play

The tea party is about as unamerican as you can get. Calling them sons of bitches is far too good for them. They are traitors.

ironic isnt it?

ironic isnt it?

Hoffa is a pitiful excuse for a labor leader (or a leader of any kind) ~~learned it all from his old man. He needs to keep his big, fat cigar smoking mouth shut.

Did Andrew Brietbart get a editing job over at Fox News?? Because it appears Fox News only showed a small clip of the comment that… of course, that was taken out of context just to to get their viewers riled-up!!

Yet another example of why Fox News viewers are the most uniformed!!

Thanks Purveyor–  I appreciate that you didn’t respond with a retort.   It’s especially appreciated after I attempted to write a calm, thoughtful response to something.

It’s probably true that some of us on the left can look to the future with rose-colored glasses.  But for me,  it’s about a continuous journey toward a more perfect union.   The Founding Fathers gave us a solid start with the Constitution.  Now, it’s up to us to make the American Dream a possibility for everyone in this country.  

I think we should look to the future with confidence because, if we make sure that the American Dream is still reachable for most people,  those people will want to pass that to their children….even if those children don’t necessarily look like us, talk like us, etc.   My fear is that if too much power/wealth is concentrated at the top, then the rest of the country will begin to lose faith in the American system and will look for an alternative.   Our system only works if the rising tide can lift all boats.  

To do that, we must find a way to preserve freedom (both political and market freedom), while ensuring basic protections for all citizens. 

One of the reasons I tend to favor a more active (but restrained) federal government is because I think that a more libertarian approach can unintentionally favor those who already have power and allow them to run roughshod over the folks who have none….leading to a net result of LESS freedom for the average person, not more.

At the same time, if we sacrifice all of the freedoms that America is known for, and allow government to have too much power, then we also lose.  

As I see it, the government has a critical role to play in promoting and maintaining the stability and prosperity of our country.   If any major segment of the society feels like they can’t succeed here, then that bodes ill for our country.  If the poor have no hope, it’s a problem….but it’s also a problem if there’s so much government control that hard work doesn’t pay off.   

It’s a very delicate balance that must be struck.

Great idea, Jim.  Let’s start loading up the railroad cars.  I like the sound of train whistles in the night.

What do you expect from a low life spawn of a labor thug who’s “activites” got him a little visit never to be seen or smelled again

Hilarious.  Repugs & cons (e.g., Palin) frequently use violence toned language against their opponents, but just listen to the right squeal when they are the targets.

How obnoxious are  you Tina_Tampax? The worthless Conservative goons and Tea Party thugs have been spewing this type of rhetoric since day one of Obama’s administration and now they are up in arms and indignant that someone has the gall to call them out. Once again the Conservatives show the world their hypocrisy.

These big, burly union guys are real scary and really, really tough.  Aren’t they?  lmao.

The ignorant leader talking to the ignorant audience of goons and stupids

The Unions in the U.S. are comprised of  less than 15% of the work force. Bring it on Jimmy, you may have a reunion with your father under Giants Stadium.

Sons of Bitches was a mephor for what? nice guys? They can go to hell was a Meiaphor for they can visit my congressional district?They are terrorists is a metaphor for we should all sit next to each other at Obamas, address to the joint secession? I believe Hoffas speech gives licensee for violence against the poor old gray haired Tea Party members.

The issue here is Union, and by extension, government intimidation. Hoffa’s remarks served only to unite and strengthen the Tea-Party. The Unions, and this administration are here only to serve the rank and file, and the legal citizens of this country. Hoffa’s imbecilic remarks, and by extension, Obimbo’s cowardly lack of condemnation of those remarks give further support to growing disapproval of the majority of legal Americans who are fed up with this type government through intimidation!!

I buy American, when the American made product is worthy of buying, not just because it was made here! I do own a foreign made car that was assembled here. If, and when American car makers decide to compete, and make vehicles on par, or better than foreign, I’ll buy one but, not until then. I will not reward incompetency with my hard earned Union-job dollar.

Should we also thank them for the retirement packages that are breaking local economy’s too?

Your comments are absolute bull crap. If it were not for unions, you would be lucky to survive many jobs. You wouldn’t have had any kind of benefits at any job you worked and working people died a whole lot earlier. Unions have proven to be necessary even now- when the first thing Republicans do when they get in power in several states is to screw working people. And no, I am not a union member. But I haven’t forgotten the history of what happened to working class people before the unions came to be. I will never forget those who even died to make America better for working people. It is not just the members of the military that gives us the freedom we enjoy in this country. Plenty of people died right here on this American soil because they fought for worker rights. This Labor Day we just celebrated wouldn’t have happened without the working people of this country and the unions they formed to protect workers. Whether you work a union job or not, the unions have made some of the most basic workers rights possible. And they are still needed or else the corporations that have taken business out of America would be treating workers overseas the same as America demands for workers here. It doesn’t happen that way; they revert to the early, pre-union behaviors they can get away with in too many of the countries they go to.

And the Unions that are openly supporting illegal aliens, what do you have to say about them? Have you asked them why they would support people who are saturating the work force, diminishing your negotiation power? What possible reason would the Union have to represent people who are not suppose to be here, and who are taking jobs from Americans? The very people who are driving down wages and benefit packages.
My support for my Union walked out the door the very minute they told us they were going to represent illegal alien parasites!! This is a Union that will openly sell out it’s rank and file legal citizen members to fatten their Union dues with illegal alien money. And it’s not just my Union, it’s almost all construction, and manufacturing Unions across the board. We have a real problem in this country, and it’s called Unions!!

like what violence are you refering to? The black baptist white supremacists pulling caucasians out of cars at the wiconsin Fair or was it the flash Tea Party mob attacks and muggings  in philidelphia and Chicago.

911 itself was conducted by right wing religious fanatics.

His mommy should have washed his mouth out with soap when he was a kid.  If that had happened, he would not be the kid that he is today.  Shameful!

Deemn, Normally I think it is petty to point out typos in a response to someones comment.  But it your case I am “pround” to point out your typo, in your condescending response to just4thefax.   

I watched on ABC not Fox.  His speech did indeed belittle and degrade the members of the Tea Party and if it was some other group  religon or race he aimed his mob hit  termnology at   the nation would be going nuts.  The comments were hatefull and were meant to incite the thugs and nut jobs on the left. To date I have never owned a gun but with biden and Obama firing class envy Carson Jackson and Waters firing racial hate  and hoffa now designating the tea party as sons of bitchs who his army will take out.   do you think I should own one?

Would you let these idiots know what a right to work state is? I owned a business in one and was embarrassed when I was told that I only had to pay my employees $3.00 per hour.

The Teaparter’s and Fox news are calling for a Civil War.

 No it isn’t, cause us people with brain cells watched the whole thing, unlike you that watched foxes edited video of it, notice they left out the part where he was talking about taking them out with their voting, but fox edited it to look like he was talking about taking them out as people, good ole Fox news, editing their way to the false truth 1 video at a time.

“Take me out,” Jimmy?  You don’t take me out — I take you out!

You are moronic to say the least.  You don’t take anyone out, you are a do nothing, wasted, old hack that doesn’t know what a true American really is.

I agree.

I agree.

The whole democratic party doesn’t have that kinda fight in them. Obama should have never caved on the default. Or the Bush tax cuts.. The Republicans depend on an un-educated electorate. I they usually have the middle class voting against their best interest. Whatever.I can’t do anything about it.

One word of warning to Obama, Hoffa, and the rest of the AntiAmerican Sons of Whores, Bring It On!  My Powder is Dry and my Weapons are Clean and Ready!  You UnChristian Ba§tards want to start something, We, the People will End It, no doubt!  Seems like another Hoffa needs to disappear!

You’re forgetting the whole “But everybody here’s got to vote. If we go back, and keep the eye on the prize…” part that begins your quotation.

It seems that you have entirely no interest either that the quote was taken out of context, and I suppose that I would have a more moving or rational debate with the wall beside me than I ever could from you. 

“Obama is lucky that the Hugo Chavez media is on his side”

Funny. I didn’t realize that the media in Venezuela is owned and operated by private corporations just like here. Cool story, bro.

Not exactly.

Wait. Obama ruined the economy? I thought it tanked in 2008.

You wouldn’t even know tolerance and acceptance if you sat down it and asphyxiated it with your double wide posterior.

Fox lied by the very act of only quoting from Mr. Hoffa what they knew would incite their foamy mouthed base into a tizzy, omitting key peripheral statements, knowing full and well that they were taking a rally to get out and vote completely out of its original context.

Who am I to argue with you though? Subtlety and nuance are the anathema to your chest-beating rank and file and if you can’t figure out that his allusion was to vote our conservative adversaries out of office then I can’t help your limited interpretive faculties at all. 

I’m giving you the benefit of the doubt, however. Perhaps you never even got past the headline and beelined it straight to the comments to unleash the brutal keyboard fury. I have my doubts, but I’m giving you a chance to read the full passage again.

“Everybody here has a vote. If we go back and we keep the eye on the prize. Let’s take these sons of bitches out and give America back to America where we belong”

So, are you savvy or are you herp da derp derpa derp?

Regarding the first paragraph:  I suppose one could “understand the spirit” of a Leni Riefenstahl film too?  Ouch!  I’m not sure if that is what you had in mind, but, just in case…  LOL
(Note: Respectfully, I may use words below that are not meant to be pejorative. But, are appropriate and carefully chosen, no offense is meant) Your disdain for searching history and/or the past for the solutions to the present concerns me, but I have to assume you’ve heard George Santayanna’s quote about “neglecting the past?”  Yet, here you are suggesting we do such?  Why?Sincerely, I do give you credit for NOT being coy or evasive, rather, you explain yourself, which coincidentally, exposes yourself to criticism, or “retort!,”  Thus gives us, you and I, the opportunity to look and examine…  With that in mind, I wonder why you seem to minimize the Founding Fathers and the Treatises they created?  Effectively, you turn what I see as a positvie into a negative?Respectfully, why do you belittle our countries origin?  Is it out of historical ignorance, of history, or do you disregard American History to facilitate your contemporary political agenda? Specifically, I view the summer of 1787, in Philadelphia as a virtual “miracle.”  To put together that disparate group of men and have them agree on a Constitution, then take copies of the documents back to their respective States for ratification, is NOT the hallmark of “compromise.” Yet, you perceive the document’s as such?  Hmm? As a student of debate and argumentation, “compromise” is by definition, a “lose-lose proposition” at best. With the exception of the 3/5ths clause, I find very little contained in the Constitution to call compromise.  In fact, the 3/5ths clause was an ANTI slavery position, not PRO, as is often asserted.  Hence, the 3/5ths clause laid the groundwork for eventual emancipation. (and war)Lastly, The Constitution contains all the necessary mechanisms to adapt, change, repair, improve as exigencies arise.  Its all in there.  The human being, the “fallen man” in all of us has failed to live up to the document, not the other way around.  I must note, that I am avoiding specificity at this time and staying within the realm of philosophy, as that is where I believe the clash of America’s political problems resides.  Ergo, who are we?  Are we the children of Jefferson, or soon to be the spawn of Marx?If and when you respond, I’ll tell you of an allegory that Plato wrote in his “Republic,” 2400 years ago.  Is, curiously very appropriate to our chat.Thank you.  This has been a civil give and take of our thoughts, not so much a debate.Purveyor

A history “reminder, not “lesson”:  You do recall that many of the Founders wrote letters such as we are doing so? Jefferson to Adams and so on….  Not that I put our correspondence in the same league, rather, just noting “the written word” offers such wonderful expression, don’t you agree?

My quip about “rose colored glasses” was really meant to be “philosophical humor” (oxymoron? LOL)
I just got to thinking about looking back, then, what about the optimist always looking forward, with “rose colored glasses”…LOL 

Anyway, I tried to respond to both of your letters at once.  I think I covered the subject?

Rhetoric is a bitch

“If you’re here to stand up, to get your musket, to fetch your bayonet
and to charge into the ranks, you are my brother and sister in this
fight,” the retired Army officer shouted. “You need to leave here
understanding one simple word. That word is: bayonet.”

– Allen West Tea Party rally for his campaign for the House of Representatives

Dispite the media hype, the Tea Party members hold views of fiscal responsibility that most of the public agrees with. It is not that union workers are bad but the union system which almost everybody know is really a political machine for the Democratic party. The due members pay should not be used to pad union officials very high pay and support any political activites or party without the members say so. “Sons of bitches”, “go to hell”, “racists” and whatever else are really just desperate measures from a political system that is steadily losing ground to the Tea Party. Remember, the House was won back and next time around the Presidency and the Senate could go Tea Party as well.

Thanks again, for your continued thoughtful, respectful responses….I’ll continue to respond in kind.  So, as with your comments, mine will be directly stated, but no offense is intended.

Let me first address what your appear to perceive as my willingness to “minimize the Founding Fathers”.

Simply put, the Constitution is a man-made document.  I DO believe that it is among the greatest examples of democratic government that exist…and I think it is worthy of mention with other documents of historical significance such as the Magna Carta, etc.   But it is still manmade.  It was not given to us on stone tablets by some higher power, nor is it a “sacred” document (whatever your religious persuasion may or may not be).  It’s true that there are very few documents like it in human history….but none of those historic documents is “the word of God” so to speak.  God didn’t create America.  As such, it is (and should be) subject to revision.   I believe it should be a living document….it was designed to stand the test of time.  That’s why it should be both “changeable” and “not too easy to change” at the same time.  

It DOES, in my view, represent a grand, high-minded compromise around a set of shared ideals….and I use the word “compromise” in a positive sense here.  I dispute this notion that compromise is inevitably a “lose-lose” proposition.  Frankly, I’m weary of the denigration of the notion of compromise.   It simply MUST happen for our government to work.  It is entirely possible to work together to advance shared ideals…there may be disagreements over HOW to do it, but if the things that are shared get advanced, nobody has “lost”.  

The Constitution, in fact, enshrines the idea of working together and compromise: 

Example 1:  Bicameral legislature.   Two houses were created because some of the founders from larger states wanted a legislature with proportional representation (later the House) , while others from small states wanted equal representation for all states (later, the Senate). This compromise was crucial to get all of the states to sign on. 

Example #2:  Three branches of government.  This is clearly intended to prevent any one branch of government from steam-rolling the process.  It creates “checks and balances” (although the constitution doesn’t explicitly use those terms).   The net effect of this is that each branch of government must pursue actions that will pass muster with the other branches.   

Example #3:  There were distinctly different factions involved in the creation of the Constitution.  Some, such as Alexander Hamilton, favored a stronger central government….while others, such as Jefferson, favored a more limited state-oriented government.  The end result is a compromise between those factions.  You can see the influences of both in the final product.

Ultimately, I think our nation currently faces a real crisis and Constitutional test.  Too many on both sides of the aisle are willing to bog down the entire system with procedural maneuvers and obstructionism. All of this is technically “Constitutional,”but this is a fast-paced time when our nation needs to be able to act quickly and decisively.    This calls on our leaders to find a way to make the system work.  Our system of government is reliant on the mutual participation of both sides….and when either side attempts to disrupt or delegitimize the process, it is a potential death-knell for the long-term stability of our system.  You could certainly argue that this is a case of our officials not living up to the Constitution…which I think is the majority of the problem.   But I also think it’s a call for reform…if our governmental structure is unable to govern effectively and to force our leadership to come to a decision, then we must make changes.  

We are, in effect, causing our own decline by our failure to work together and our failure to tackle the big problems that our country faces.   But until our leaders recognize that we can’t successfully solve big problems without at least some buy-in from both sides, we won’t fix anything.   That buy-in is what establishes legitimacy.  

As to your final question about whose “children” we are, I take issue with the premise of the question.   I feel that many people (often those on the political Right), present a false dichotomy.

We are not choosing between a libertarian-style, states-rights democracy and totalitarian Marxism.   It’s not an either/or proposition. There are, in reality MANY steps and variations in between.  We ARE debating the role/size of government.  

Personally, I think the answer is more nuanced.   The Articles of Confederation in the US (essentially a loose assemblage of state governments) didn’t work any better than Communism in the USSR, N. Korea, Cuba, etc.    Both approaches ultimately proved unsustainable because there were insufficient means for members/groups of society to resolve grievances and to prosper economically.  (I realize I’m painting with in broad brushstrokes here, but I don’t want to write a dissertation on this either.)   

jdubbellu 09/06/2011 05:26 AM in reply to 12voltman1 write, “you like this country? thank the tea party.”No, Jabba. I love my country in SPITE of the Tea Party. BTW, I saw your other comment that I look like a paedophile, an accusation you make without knowing anything about me. I wish I had your textbook “The Wit and Wisdom of Jabba the Hut” when I was a police officer so I could have learned from you how to instantly identify a sexual pervert from a single photograph — of a complete stranger at that. Except your book is composed of entirely blank pages.

There you go again, Jabba: “i was talking about the original tea party you twat. you liberal failures are the ignorant ones. you are nothing without the collective.”

I imagine you really do believe that with the contemporary Tea Party of today is dominant in the news that of COURSE anyone reading your earlier comment would assume you mean the ORIGINAL Boston Tea Party participants. Right. So, you stoop to calling someone a “twat.”

Based on the numerous examples of the trash you post, it’s clear that either you are unable to engage in thoughtful conversation, or don’t wish to do so. Either way, you’re a troll.

You and I seem to share a curse, we spend much time thinking? In fact, I suspect you even drive around with the radio off, content in your own thoughts? LOL I do.

Anyway, I am going to divide your comment in two, for practicality. So, where do I begin? “At the beginning” said the Queen of Hearts.

You cite the Magna Charta as a seminal document and I concur. You then mention the Constitution , almost, en passant, as I f the document(s) existence and being “man made” somehow diminished their importance. Are you sure they were “man made?” (not magical, or a hand appeared and wrote on the wall, but inspired those in attendance?)

I am not a religious man, rather, perhaps, an agnostic who prays in “fox holes!” LOL Still, I am not so conceited that I know beyond any doubt, that there is NOT a “great Spirit.” That being said, The BOOK that took me down path of Constitutional Law, (I read in 1990) is “MIRACLE at PHILADELPHIA,” by Catherine Brown. After reading about that long hot summer in 1787, and the very disparate group of men who comprised the Constitutional Convention, even the agnostic in me, realized something special (miraculous) had taken place.

YOUR POINT, regarding “compromise” fits nicely into my epiphany all those years ago. What you refer to as compromise was the “procedure,” (BUT, NOT THE RESULT) the day in and day out give and take. In fact, many of the delegates were either angry enough or dismayed to the point that they very much considered leaving the process. As I recall some did, only to return. Rhode Island was extremely recalcitrant and the last to ratify the
Constitution.

To recapitulate, your use of the word “compromise’ in this context, I concede, I never looked at it as process, rather, strictly as result. So, my compliments to you for adding to my knowledge and perception.

Now, go back in time and consider the great historical debates, treaties and documents, and peculiar obsession with law that came from the West and the Papacy, etc.. Ergo, we arrive at the Magna Charta, followed by the American Constitution…

WHATS NEXT? Is the journey over, has all been said and done, has God gone home?

3000, years from now will history view those documents in the same vein as the the Stone Tablets, Moses lugged down from the mountain? I apologize for the philosophical wanderings, but, I believe they are necessary for our conversation, as I see America’s current dilemma(s) as a need to articulate: “WHAT IS OUR NATIONAL PHILOSOPHY?” Despite all our talk about diversity, a Nation must possess a core philosophy or it cannot survive.

As a preface to your more tangible discussion, regarding the construct of Government, have you ever heard the theory that Some of the Founding Fathers, Franklin included, interacted with the Iroquois Indians, (Ho de nau sau ne) nation which had a tri-partite governance?

I wrote a paper on it. There are some books about it! Of course orthodox historian’s dispute the possibility. I found it intriguing! (I’ll dig it out)

I will work on the rest of your letter. Yes when you mention N. Korea and the USSR can upset the discussion. However, I sense your sincerity and am interested in where you thoughts are born of.

You and I seem to share a curse, we spend much time thinking? In fact, I suspect you even drive around with the radio off, content in your own thoughts? LOL I do.

Anyway, I am going to divide your comment in two, for practicality. So, where do I begin? “At the beginning” said the Queen of Hearts.

You cite the Magna Charta as a seminal document and I concur. You then mention the Constitution , almost, en passant, as I f the document(s) existence and being “man made” somehow diminished their importance. Are you sure they were “man made?” (not magical, or a hand appeared and wrote on the wall, but inspired those in attendance?)

I am not a religious man, rather, perhaps, an agnostic who prays in “fox holes!” LOL Still, I am not so conceited that I know beyond any doubt, that there is NOT a “great Spirit.” That being said, The BOOK that took me down path of Constitutional Law, (I read in 1990) is “MIRACLE at PHILADELPHIA,” by Catherine Brown. After reading about that long hot summer in 1787, and the very disparate group of men who comprised the Constitutional Convention, even the agnostic in me, realized something special (miraculous) had taken place.

YOUR POINT, regarding “compromise” fits nicely into my epiphany all those years ago. What you refer to as compromise was the “procedure,” (BUT, NOT THE RESULT) the day in and day out give and take. In fact, many of the delegates were either angry enough or dismayed to the point that they very much considered leaving the process. As I recall some did, only to return. Rhode Island was extremely recalcitrant and the last to ratify the
Constitution.

To recapitulate, your use of the word “compromise’ in this context, I concede, I never looked at it as process, rather, strictly as result. So, my compliments to you for adding to my knowledge and perception.

Now, go back in time and consider the great historical debates, treaties and documents, and peculiar obsession with law that came from the West and the Papacy, etc.. Ergo, we arrive at the Magna Charta, followed by the American Constitution…

WHATS NEXT? Is the journey over, has all been said and done, has God gone home?

3000, years from now will history view those documents in the same vein as the the Stone Tablets, Moses lugged down from the mountain? I apologize for the philosophical wanderings, but, I believe they are necessary for our conversation, as I see America’s current dilemma(s) as a need to articulate: “WHAT IS OUR NATIONAL PHILOSOPHY?” Despite all our talk about diversity, a Nation must possess a core philosophy or it cannot survive.

As a preface to your more tangible discussion, regarding the construct of Government, have you ever heard the theory that Some of the Founding Fathers, Franklin included, interacted with the Iroquois Indians, (Ho de nau sau ne) nation which had a tri-partite governance?

I wrote a paper on it. There are some books about it! Of course orthodox historian’s dispute the possibility. I found it intriguing! (I’ll dig it out)

I will work on the rest of your letter. Yes when you mention N. Korea and the USSR can upset the discussion. However, I sense your sincerity and am interested in where you thoughts are born of.

I forgot to add to my philosophical “wanderings.” I promised you a brief discussion on “Plato’s allegory of the statue.” I bet you couldn’t wait these past few days? LOL Actually, fits quite nicely into your comment and my response…

In Plato’s Republic the great man talks of a an Artist, a Sculptor, who fashions a statue, a sculpture of a perfect human being. (Think of Michelangelo’s David)

Yet, when the Artist and citizen’s try to find a human being that can match the perfection of the statue, no one can be found with that beauty and perfection.

DOES THTAT MAKE THE STATUE ANY LESS COMPELLING?

Question: Say a group of men, perhaps the most erudite of their time, had fought long and hard to be given the opportunity to create a PERFECT Government. They have great intellect and history as their guide and they create the perfect form of Government. Yet, when in practice and/or applied, the Governance falls short of the ideals of which such was born?

DOES THAT MAKE THE TREATISE ANY LESS COMPELLING?

In Plato’s Republic, the great man writes of an Artist, a Sculptor, who fashions a statue of a perfect human being. (think of Michelangelo’s David)

Yet, when when the piece de Art is completed, the Artist and the citizenry try, but, cannot find a human being that can match the beauty and perfection of the statue?

DOES THAT MAKE THE THE STATUE ANY LESS COMPELLING?

Moreover: Say a group of men, perhaps the most erudite of their time, who had fought long and hard to be acquire the opportunity to create a “perfect” Government. The men have have great intellect, plus history as their guide and they create the “perfect form of Government.” Yet, when put into practice and/or applied, the Governance falls short of the ideals of which such was born?

DOES THAT MAKE THE TREATISE ANY LESS COMPELLING?

When I used the phrase “lose, lose,” such was from an argumentation or debate lesson.
I’ve studied practical debate and one of the lessons is compromise, leads to “lose, lose,” while standing firm is generally considered the only way to achieve a Win, lose conclusion. Moreover, Win, win is virtually unobtainable, but achievable.

If you have ever participated in High School debate or graduate level communication courses, which teach Lawyers how to argue, you will find an actual formula that eliminates the political vagaries of the debate and actually puts scores and tactics into the measure of the opponents success or failure.

Ergo, a competent debater, can recognize an opponent’s weakness and exploit it. The problem is, A biased judge can just as easily dismiss the evidence and skill, thus rendering the debate moot. Moreover, the supporter’s of the loser, all to often, don’t admit defeat, as if their team lost, or won the game, so to speak.

Anyway, at this point you are bringing up questions that I suggest, we haven’t answered the precursor question’s for? You phrase the issue nicely by writing “We are debating the role and size of government.” I phrase the question a bit differently: “What is America’s National Philosophy?”

Once the answer is obtained to our questions, we can move forward to answer more and specific questions you and I ask of each other… Moreover, we can take a look at the “false dichotomy” that bothers you.

With all appropriate respect, for the purpose and continuation of our dialogue, (which I am enjoying) I just don’t want to prematurely delve into issues, prior to other issues having not been resolved, or, at least addressed.

Purveyor

Put him with his father..I’m a Uion Member and they are weak, in bed with the liiar Obama, and gathering to be apart of the coraling of the people.  The pied-piepers of the weak to follow.  The Uion leaders are the only one to reap the money and be comfortable in the greedy greenback.  They can’t even settle an agument between their own lazy-ass workers.  No greavance can be fiiled angainst another member.  The slossages make out, while the hosselers break their butts working.  as I said I’m a member by closed shop.  It’s work,,,it’s work with some lazy ass bastards that need to pound the streets.   Uion members get a mind of your own,,bring America together and and lest put Americans to work for a better America.  Get rid of the liers of GREED in DC…Shut your DAM mouths on telling us who to vote  for.  I’m an American and I’ll vote for the best person I believe  in!!  Maybe Rick Perry, and right to work state,,,just to piss you weak ass minded followers OFF!!