White House Counterterrorism Chief John Brennan somewhat countered that claim, saying he had no knowledge of the use of that technique.

Claiming ignorance of the matter does not counter the claim. It just means he didn’t know about it. See Michael Iskoff: Bin Laden’s death rekindles ‘enhanced’ interrogation debate

In addition, a senior U.S. intelligence official told NBC News investigative producer Robert Windrem that both Mohammed, who was repeatedly waterboarded by the CIA, and al Libi, who was aggressively interrogated but not waterboarded, provided the nom de guerre of the courier. Mohammed was among the “high-value detainees” subjected to specially approved “enhanced” interrogations at secret sites overseas, including CIA-run prisons in Poland, Romania, Thailand and elsewhere, according to U.S. officials.

This doesn’t reignite the debate, it ends it.

MEDIAite HEADLINE READS: John Brennan Counters Claim That Waterboarding Led To Actionable Intel On Bin Laden. This is based on Brennan’s answer to this assertion of ” not to my knowledge “.

Brennan has never been a straight talker .
And he should not be .

NOTSOFAST Old Timer!!

Hhahahahahahahabababaabhahahahahaha

When is Mediaite and MSNBC going to comment on the racism that was part of this raid? UBL’s codename was “Geronimo”, one of the greatest Native-American leaders ever to live. Comparing one of the greatest Native-Americans to the greatest terrorist in the world is nothing short of abject and profound racism.

As an AA, BHO should have been sensitive enough to have realized this, and his failure to remedy this blatant transgression of decency and decorum shows he needs sensitivity training.

I call on Al Sharpton to render his services, forthwith!

Hey, don’t be surprised.
Liberals have a lot aof back peddling to do here, you are going to hearing a lot of twaddle.

NOTHING TO SEE HERE FOLKS! JUST THE FOX ENTERTAINMENT CHANNEL GIVING THEIR HALF TRUTHS AND MISLEADING BANTER!

Hey, don’t be surprised.
Liberals have a lot of back peddling to do here, you are going to be hearing a lot of twaddle.

Don’t you wish this thing had and edit feature?

Barack Must Go said:
MEDIAite HEADLINE READS: John Brennan Counters Claim That Waterboarding Led To Actionable Intel On Bin Laden. This is based on Brennan’s answer to this assertion of ” not to my knowledge “.

I’m more and more aware of the disingenuousness of the media at large. God forbid, they should write accurate headlines and not mischaracterize statements. I thought Cheney had said that waterboarding led to the intel used to find Osama- not at all, he said it’s POSSIBLE. No wonder none of us rely on journ0lists like we did a decade ago.

notsofast said:
When is Mediaite and MSNBC going to comment on the racism that was part of this raid? UBL’s codename was “Geronimo”, one of the greatest Native-American leaders ever to live. Comparing one of the greatest Native-Americans to the greatest terrorist in the world is nothing short of abject and profound racism.

As an AA, BHO should have been sensitive enough to have realized this, and his failure to remedy this blatant transgression of decency and decorum shows he needs sensitivity training.

I call on Al Sharpton to render his services, forthwith!

If you think that’s bad Baraq’s first choice was to call Osama ” My Cousin Vinny “. They figured with the cast of ” Jersey Shore ” in Italy they could get away with the no respect aspect , but for some unknown reason chickened out at the last minute.

from MSNBC:

Bin Laden’s death rekindles ‘enhanced’ interrogation debate
Did high-pressure questioning of suspected terrorists lead to al-Qaida leader?

The trail that led to the doorstep of Osama bin Laden in Pakistan began years earlier with aggressive interrogations of al-Qaida detainees at the U.S. detention facility at Guantanamo Bay and CIA “black site” prisons overseas, according to U.S. officials.

It was those sometimes controversial interrogations that first produced descriptions of members of bin Laden’s courier network, including one critical Middle Eastern courier who along with his brother was protecting bin Laden at his heavily fortified compound in Abbottabad on Sunday. Both the courier and his brother were among those killed, along with bin Laden, in the dramatic raid by U.S. special forces.

’20th hijacker’ may have fingered courier
The identity of at least one of the detainees who provided early information about the courier who led to bin Laden could be politically explosive. According to a U.S. official, that detainee was notorious Saudi al-Qaida operative and accused 9/11 conspirator Mohammed al-Qahtani, who was subjected to some of the most humiliating interrogations at Guantanamo. Among the enhanced interrogation techniques used on him were being forced to wear a woman’s bra, being led around on a leash and forced to perform dog tricks and being subjected to cold temperatures that twice required his hospitalization, according to a later U.S. military report.

In the end, U.S. officials say, it took years of patient intelligence work — including information gleaned from multiple detainees and other sources of intelligence — to enable the CIA to figure out who the courier was.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/42863247/ns/world_news-death_of_bin_laden/

BlueBunny said:
NOTHING TO SEE HERE FOLKS! JUST THE FOX ENTERTAINMENT CHANNEL GIVING THEIR HALF TRUTHS AND MISLEADING BANTER!

This is an MSLSD story genius. I know, you could often mistake them for being Fox News, as they are the network about Fox News, but this is a rare non-Fox News story on MSLSD.

A BIG KUDOS to George W Bush for giving the go-ahead to conduct water-boarding intelligence gathering on terrorists that led to the death of Osama!!!

I will also give credit to Obama for allowing our troops to go in and kill him!!

Pablo said:
This is an MSLSD story genius. I know, you could often mistake them for being Fox News, as they are the network about Fox News, but this is a rare non-Fox News story on MSLSD.

This guy is just a troll trying to make liberals look bad. Ignore him for my sake.

http://gatewaypundit.rightnetwork.com/2011/05/figures-obama-prosecutes-seals-for-slapping-top-terrorist-praises-seals-for-shooting-osama-in-the-head/

Clarity and consistency were never Obama’s strengths.

In November 2009 the Obama Administration charged 4 Navy SEALS with assault for slapping terrorist mastermind Ahmed Hashim Abed and giving him a fat lip.
One of the Navy SEALS was cleared of charges in April 2010.
The SEALS were accused of mistreating a wanted Iraqi terrorist who was behind the murder of 4 US contractors in Fallujah in 2004.

It was 2004: Fallujah, Iraq. Four civilian U.S. contractors were transporting supplies for a catering company. They were ambushed, killed, their bodies burned and dragged through the streets, then hung from a bridge on the Euphrates River. A NAVY SEAL TEAM captured one of the military’s “most wanted” terrorists, the one responsible for the heinous crime. Now 4 of our bravest and finest are facing prosecution because the scumbag terrorist claimed he got a bloody lip while in their custody.

Last night Barack Obama praised the Navy SEALS for shooting Osama Bin Laden in the head and killing his son.

LOL!

Yeah, and maybe today’s not Tuesday!

These progressives, they try to contort reality to fit their own paralyzed view of the world – while conservatives are always left to re-build the shattered pieces of their folly!!
LOL!@!!!

Whata hoot of a headline; I listened tothis discussion and mediaite got it wrong in the explanation.

Obama and his media suck-ups would be wise to not put hehimself on a pedestal for this action…..taking credit for it to himelf will not enure theone to the general public; it fact, it will disgust them. I trust the media is smarter than that, well……maybe not, but if the media does praise hehimself they will be sorry.

Waterboarding my behind, they got nothing from KSM while waterboarding. The Neocons and the crazies are out and justifying their madness.

NORBIT Jr. said:
LOL!

Yeah, and maybe today’s not Tuesday!

These progressives, they try to contort reality to fit their own paralyzed view of the world – while conservatives are always left to re-build the shattered pieces of their folly!!
LOL!@!!!

And in doing so they (Liberals) blame America and the American people for the worlds problems…..Liberals like to compare Christians to those who cut off peoples heads in the name of their god. Liberals are more concerned that a terrorist has rights then they are about the innocent victims the terrorist killed.
Liberalism is an indoctrinated disease by our infested school system!!

Change the headline. “I don’t know” is not a counter-claim. I’m not sure if ‘I don’t know is EVERY A claim. Kind of the absence of a claim.

As to the waterboarding, I’d feel better if the Counter-terrorism chief of the US DID know the answer to the question, he certainly should. The claims are that the enhanced interrogation led to the courier’s alias, the alias EVENTUALLY leads to the actual courier. The courier leads to Bin Laden.

From what I’ve seen, Hillary Clinton answers these difficult questions directly. As soon as someone asks her, we’ll know the answer.

Barack Must Go said:
If you think that’s bad Baraq’s first choice was to call Osama ” My Cousin Vinny “. They figured with the cast of ” Jersey Shore ” in Italy they could get away with the no respect aspect , but for some unknown reason chickened out at the last minute.

Another faceplant piece of witticism from BMG. The guy has the makings of a conservative comedian, which is to say he’s not funny, but thinks he’s hilarious.

I love this…cons are making a lot of noise about this little bit of nothing between King and Brennan in hopes it might drown out the accolades being thrown Obama’s way. Sorry folks, your fearless Kenyan Muslim leader had the balls to keep pressing the search and OK the raid when the intelligence was actionable.

Oh yea, and the whole waterboarding thing…didn’t we hang Jap soldiers for doing the same thing in WWII? I guess if Boosh and Sheeny said its OK, well it must be totally in the Constitution.

I think there is only one way to wash a Muslim Terrorist before burial and that is a good clean dipping of Water Boarding.

The enshroud terrorist are outraged that the SEALS buried bin Laden in the Arabian Sea at least that is more human then their tactics against their enemies, beheading with a dull sword.

These enshrouded fearful terrorists are pigs and cowards that won’t stand soldier to soldier in an honorable war. These Muslim terrorists dishonor their ancestors who use to firght bravely and die honorable in the field.

So illegal and immoral torture done years ago are a direct rout to our Commander in Chief’s decisions this past weekend?

No. You cannot draw that line.

It was a plethora of information gathered through a lot of intelligence sources that lead to unearthing the location last year.

It is a proven FACT that torture does not work and leads to bad information. Just as John McCain.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WX3-RgglIFg

"Real" American said:
Oh yea, and the whole waterboarding thing…didn’t we hang Jap soldiers for doing the same thing in WWII?

No. Not the same thing. Not even close.

The Japanese were a bit more inventive.

“Mohammed did not reveal the names while being subjected to the simulated drowning technique known as waterboarding, former officials said. He identified them many months later under standard interrogation, they said, leaving it once again up for debate as to whether the harsh technique was a valuable tool or an unnecessarily violent tactic.”

I’ll say it again:

“Mohammed did not reveal the names while being subjected to the simulated drowning technique known as waterboarding, former officials said. He identified them many months later under standard interrogation, they said, leaving it once again up for debate as to whether the harsh technique was a valuable tool or an unnecessarily violent tactic.”

One more time. Nw try to remember:

“Mohammed did not reveal the names while being subjected to the simulated drowning technique known as waterboarding, former officials said. He identified them many months later under standard interrogation, they said, leaving it once again up for debate as to whether the harsh technique was a valuable tool or an unnecessarily violent tactic.”

Hidden deep in this article: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110502/ap_on_re_us/us_bin_laden_hunt_for_bin_laden

and there is no debate. A civilized nation does not condone torture – no matter what you call it.

Pablo said:
Claiming ignorance of the matter does not counter the claim. It just means he didn’t know about it. See Michael Iskoff: Bin Laden’s death rekindles ‘enhanced’ interrogation debate This doesn’t reignite the debate, it ends it.

You are confusing “causation,” “correlation,” and “coincidence.” You’re saying waterboarding must have worked, because, look, we waterboarded that guy, and that guy also said something helpful! In fact, all we know at this point is that officials were able to get the information without waterboarding, from Libi. When did Mohammad give up that information? In response to what?

I know Cheney wants to be vindicated for torturing people so hard he can’t stand it, and he’s using your reasoning. But he is wrong and so are you.

This is the same John Brennan getting his facts completely wrong as reported here earlier:

Administration Backs Off Tale Of Osama Bin Laden Using Wife As Human Shield

“It was a fitting end for the America’s most wanted man. As President Barack Obama’s Deputy National Security Adviser John Brennan told it, a cowardly Osama bin Laden used his own wife as a human shield in his final moments. Except that apparently wasn’t what happened at all.

Hours later, other administration officials were clarifying Brennan’s account. Turns out the woman that was killed on the compound wasn’t bin Laden’s wife. Bin Laden may have not even been using a human shield. And he might not have even been holding a gun.

The narrative first unfolded in a televised briefing at the White House.”

.
When is “I don’t know” a counter to anything other than a charge that you most certainly do possess specific knowledge.

Mediaite headlines seem to go from bad to worse on a daily basis.

Rgentum said:
You are confusing “causation,” “correlation,” and “coincidence.” You’re saying waterboarding must have worked, because, look, we waterboarded that guy, and that guy also said something helpful! In fact, all we know at this point is that officials were able to get the information without waterboarding, from Libi. When did Mohammad give up that information? In response to what?

I know Cheney wants to be vindicated for torturing people so hard he can’t stand it, and he’s using your reasoning. But he is wrong and so are you.

Take it up with Isikoff.

Timothy Wright said:
“Mohammed did not reveal the names while being subjected to the simulated drowning technique known as waterboarding, former officials said. He identified them many months later under standard interrogation, they said, leaving it once again up for debate as to whether the harsh technique was a valuable tool or an unnecessarily violent tactic.”

I’ll say it again:

“Mohammed did not reveal the names while being subjected to the simulated drowning technique known as waterboarding, former officials said. He identified them many months later under standard interrogation, they said, leaving it once again up for debate as to whether the harsh technique was a valuable tool or an unnecessarily violent tactic.”

One more time. Nw try to remember:

“Mohammed did not reveal the names while being subjected to the simulated drowning technique known as waterboarding, former officials said. He identified them many months later under standard interrogation, they said, leaving it once again up for debate as to whether the harsh technique was a valuable tool or an unnecessarily violent tactic.”

Hidden deep in this article: http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20110502/ap_on_re_us/us_bin_laden_hunt_for_bin_laden

and there is no debate. A civilized nation does not condone torture – no matter what you call it.

.
You can repeat it ad nauseum and it will still not change the fact that no one has claimed that KSM revealed their “names” under enhanced interrogation.

He has been reported by many sources that KSM revealed their nom de guerres. It took four years, additional info from at least one other high value detainee and extensive intelligence analysis to finally identify them by their legal names as opposed to their undercover names.

Once that break trough came it took several more years to actually physically locate them.

IOW, the long journey to find them and ultimately UBL started with that very first step of knowledge given up by KSM that they even existed. You can’t find something that you don’t even know exists.

Pablo said:
No. Not the same thing. Not even close.

writer said:
The Japanese were a bit more inventive.

Really? Care to enlighten us? Care to explain the nuanced differences between 1943 waterboarding and 2008 waterboarding from your extensive direct knowledge? Care to explain why U.S. Generals classified it as illegal during Vietnam? Why a Texas LEO was sent to jail for 10 years for employing it in the 80′s? Oh wait, are you going to use the specious argument about foreign prisons or “special facilities”, and somehow argue that it couldn’t be applied the same way to our soldiers and civilians?

Wait for it…here comes the slippery slope of rationalization and justification….

“Real” American, my wife’s grandad was one of the Bridge on the River Kwai prisoners. I took his word for it.

writer said:
“Real” American, my wife’s grandad was one of the Bridge on the River Kwai prisoners. I took his word for it.

So, he was cool with torture? My dad was in the South Pacific in WWII, my grandfather in France in WWI, both saw the inhuman acts the Geneva convention was opposed to. Suddenly we have become those folks in the name of expediency.

“Real” American, you asked us to enlighten you on how anything could be worse than water boarding. I gave you an example.

Grammie said: You can repeat it ad nauseum and it will still not change the fact that no one has claimed that KSM revealed their “names” under enhanced interrogation.

He has been reported by many sources that KSM revealed their nom de guerres. It took four years, additional info from at least one other high value detainee and extensive intelligence analysis to finally identify them by their legal names as opposed to their undercover names.

Once that break trough came it took several more years to actually physically locate them.

IOW, the long journey to find them and ultimately UBL started with that very first step of knowledge given up by KSM that they even existed. You can’t find something that you don’t even know exists.

Listen Grammie, it’s quit apparent that torture didn’t work because look how quickly they got additional information after the torture STOPPED!! If they were torturing me I wouldn’t tell them a thing … why?? because I believe they’re going to killl me, so I would take my secrets with me. PLAIN AND SIMPLE. So forget all of the BS..IT DOESN’T WORK

For instance, the Japanese would hardly give the workers enough water to live. Then, if one fell out in the hundred and ten degree heat, he would be beheaded. Things like that.

writer said:
“Real” American, you asked us to enlighten you on how anything could be worse than water boarding. I gave you an example.

Really? Would you be so kind as to show where I asked anything of the kind?

Never said torture was okay. My original post said that the Japanese did much worse. And they did.

This waterboarding thing just drives you liberals mad….

When gathering intelligence, you look a a wide range of data. Waterboarding is just one technique. If you find that the person who was waterboarded lied, (base on other actionable intelligence) you can get them to quickly strart telling the truth with the simple threat of waterboarding.

When the truth starts coming, so do the rewards for telling the truth….

Does waterboarding work….you bet it does.

Did it work for the Japanese????…NO!…They were using it solely for torture….we don’t do that.

I have to admit the right’s talent of excusing all the bush era atrocities is interesting to watch. I guess it is a case of Stockholm syndrome being played out before our eyes.

Perhaps, in time, this love of the torturer in chief and the abandonment of the values that made the USA great will subside. I hope so, for their sake and our collective sake.

If the Japanese water boarded the Kwai prisoners, it would have been one of the few times they were giving them any water.

writer said:
Never said torture was okay. My original post said that the Japanese did much worse. And they did.

So some torture (waterboarding) is OK?

Nope. Just pointing out that in wartime, Americans are far from the worst.

"Real" American said:
didn’t we hang Jap soldiers for doing the same thing in WWII? I

Regarding Those Claims About WWII Waterboarding

“…..regarding Paul Begala’s recent claim that the U.S. executed Japanese prisoners after WWII for waterboarding. The first thing he learned in his research is that the people in question where not — as Begala and some lefty bloggers claim — executed for waterboarding. (National Review had a good post addressing that this weekend citing the International Military Tribunal for the Far East, a.k.a. Tokyo Trials, in which “only seven Japanese war criminals were executed. Every one of them was convicted of either being complicit in or directly committing atrocities and murder on a grand scale.”)

In his research he found that not only was no one executed for waterboarding, but no one was prosecuted for waterboarding either:

There were 5 cases where Japanese citizens (one was a Japanese civilian) were prosecuted for torture that INCLUDED as part of the torture charges “water torture.” The first problem is they were also charged with much worse things along with “water torture.” The second is that the “water torture” that took place then is not the same as CIA “waterboarding.”

Links are provided from U.C. Berkley War Crimes Study Center, go read through each of the cases:

http://wizbangblog.com/content/2009/04/27/regarding-those-claims-about-wwii-waterboarding.php

National Review provides a condensed discription of the same information on each of the cases:

At the International Military Tribunal for the Far East, a.k.a. Tokyo Trials, that Begala says McCain is referring to, only seven Japanese war criminals were executed. Every one of them was convicted of either being complicit in or directly comitting atrocities and murder on a grand scale.

http://www.nationalreview.com/corner/180923/sorry-paul-begala-youre-still-wrong/mark-hemingway

BatBoy said:
This waterboarding thing just drives you liberals mad

What drives us “liberals” mad is that until Boosh and Sheeny came along, America stood for humane treatment of prisoners, a stance that allowed us to prosecute those that did not reciprocate. Now that we have crossed the line, we have no moral high ground, and no strength of world opinion to back us up. We are now the ones torturing prisoners. This has removed any possible inhibitions for other countries to treat our soldiers who become POWs any better. I guess American/Judeo-Christian values are mutable for BatBoy.

"Real" American said:
So some torture (waterboarding) is OK?

The threat of it is much more powerful.

Unfortunate, but as the Marines proved in their island hopping, sometimes you start treating the enemy like they’re treating you.

"Real" American said:
This has removed any possible inhibitions for other countries to treat our soldiers who become POWs any better.

Most Americal POW’s end up with a bullet in the head and left to be picked up by US Forces! Thank god there are few of them because of our overwhelming fire power.

Wise up! You are quoting liberal “hand wringing” text book crap! There is a “Real” world out here…unfortunately for you liberals…you can nor will you ever see it.

writer said:
Nope. Just pointing out that in wartime, Americans are far from the worst.

Let me get this straight. Waterboarding is torture. Torture is not OK. Waterboarding is banned by the Geneva Convention. Americans are involved in torturing foreign prisoners, something we did not do before Boosh and Sheeny. Obama has banned waterboarding.
So waterboarding is a crime? We have openly admitted waterboarding.
Does that about sum it up?

I wonder if the open knowledge of waterboarding (and its criminal nature) had any effect on the U.S. troops that killed Afghani civilians for sport (and were dumbass enough to pose for pics with their “trophies”). Sure the troops are getting prosecuted….but are the people who waterboarded?

BatBoy said:
Most Americal POW’s end up with a bullet in the head and left to be picked up by US Forces!

Really? Could you give me some examples of that. I would prefer they not be log shaped and covered with shit.

“Real”, if you think we never got rough with prisoners until Bush came along, more power to you. Not saying it’s right. Saying it’s war.

"Real" American said:
Really? Could you give me some examples of that. I would prefer they not be log shaped and covered with shit.

Try Nick Berg….he was a contractor….he lost his head and probably wished he had been shot.

If you want t list….here you go. http://www.usvetdsp.com/pwmia_iraq.htm

I guess Bush could have done like FDR. Lock up anyone who even resembles the enemy.

BatBoy said:
Try Nick Berg….he was a contractor….he lost his head and probably wished he had been shot. If you want t list….here you go. http://www.usvetdsp.com/pwmia_iraq.htm

Thanks, that’s a sad list. But it is mostly MIA’s, and long on names and short on facts. Not what I would call in any way conclusive. But thanks for Googling that up.

writer said:
I guess Bush could have done like FDR. Lock up anyone who even resembles the enemy.

I am surprised he didn’t try it…..or did he?

Again, just saying that such things weren’t a Bush monopoly. And no, Bush didn’t go as far as FDR and lock up people based on their appearance.

I wonder if Bush or Cheney will now apologize for scapegoating the intelligence community after 911 and for the faulty intel during the Iraq war. It looks like they were wrong about our intelligence community, and they didn’t torture anyone to get this info.

Apologize now.

writer said:
I guess Bush could have done like FDR. Lock up anyone who even resembles the enemy.

I hope you aren’t serious Gitmo was filled with people who did absolutely nothing wrong, farmers, taxi drivers etc. who just looked like scary Muslims, you are a joke.

Yeah, Edith. They just grabbed random citizens. Not ones who had been in battle or anything.

P.S. Is that why Obama is keeping it open? Protecting us from all those farmers?

writer said:
P.S. Is that why Obama is keeping it open? Protecting us from all those farmers?

Many reasons.

http://www.theatlanticwire.com/politics/2011/01/two-years-later-guantanamo-still-open/21397/

Why the right doesn’t think we can handle our own prisoners on our own soil is also telling about how much the right hates the USA.

Obama is on the right? He’s keeping it open.

writer said:
Yeah, Edith. They just grabbed random citizens. Not ones who had been in battle or anything.

Having a Casio watch was enough to detain people.

And then there were all the children that the bush admin spirited away.
http://my.firedoglake.com/kgosztola/2011/04/27/the-guantanamo-children-these-arent-what-youd-call-little-league-terrorists/

And Obama is keeping it open because……

writer said:
Obama is on the right? He’s keeping it open.

you clearly didn’t the read the content of the link.

Congress Is a Roadblock

Fear, Not Logic, Guides Congress

etc.

Good thing we had a Democratic congress Obama’s first couple of years in.

writer said:
And Obama is keeping it open because……

Okay.

There are three branches of power. Our “seperation of power”

Judicial

Legislative

and

Executive.

The POTUS cannot close GITMO without congress.

http://blog.reidreport.com/2011/04/democratic-memo-why-barack-obama-cant-close-gitmo-or-try-ksm-in-new-york/

The USA hating right use fear and terror to scare people into thinking our judicial system in the USA is inferior and not able to handle a tough job.

And who controlled congress the first couple of years of this administration?

writer said:
Good thing we had a Democratic congress Obama’s first couple of years in.

Unfortunately without enough votes some things cannot pass. I am sure the town in Illinois that would have been the new gitmo would have benefited from all those jobs and development to support the military and guards. Oh well…

As long as they’re locked up, I don’t care where. Edith was implying that they’re all just common folk.

writer said:
And Obama is keeping it open because……

because if those guys weren’t insurgents/terrorists, they are now. And now we have keep them alive to keep them from becoming martyrs to the movement.

Let me introduce you to Boosh’s Tar Baby – Gitmo Bay.

So keeping them in prison through an Illinois winter is preferable to Gitmo? Whatever.

Timothy Wright said:
Unfortunately without enough votes some things cannot pass. I am sure the town in Illinois that would have been the new gitmo would have benefited from all those jobs and development to support the military and guards. Oh well…

And that would be better because….?

Timothy Wright said:
Unfortunately without enough votes some things cannot pass. I am sure the town in Illinois that would have been the new gitmo would have benefited from all those jobs and development to support the military and guards. Oh well…

Wrong, it wasn’t going to affect, just that town in Illinois. We, Illinois residents from that ares did not want it…..at all.

"Real" American said:
Really? Could you give me some examples of that. I would prefer they not be log shaped and covered with shit.

Spc. Alex Ramon Jimenez
Pfc. Joseph John Anzack
Pvt. Byron Wayne Fouty
Pfc. Kristian Menchaca
Pfc. Thomas Lowell Tucker

Let me know when you’re done with those.

Rio said:
Wrong, it wasn’t going to affect, just that town in Illinois. We, Illinois residents from that ares did not want it…..at all.

Right, you’d rather have Cubans doing all those jobs, huh?

Hey, wait a minute…

Rio said:
Wrong, it wasn’t going to affect, just that town in Illinois. We, Illinois residents from that ares did not want it…..at all.

from that area.

The left’s cruelty is becoming clear. A tropical island with ocean view, or Illinois in wintertime? Such barbarity!

Timothy Wright said:
Why the right doesn’t think we can handle our own prisoners on our own soil is also telling about how much the right hates the USA.

No, it isn’t you moron. The right thinks that POW’s aren’t entitled to Constitutional protections. We’re a lot like Obama and Eric Holder in that regard, except that we’re not willing to make a mockery of the civilian justice system as some perverted sort of political kabuki.

writer said:
So keeping them in prison through an Illinois winter is preferable to Gitmo? Whatever.

Those poor goatherders and cab drivers wouldn’t have turned into murderous jihadis if only we’d have sent them to idyllic Northwest Illinois instead of the Caribbean hellhole that is Club Gitmo. It’s tragic, really.

Pablo said:
Right, you’d rather have Cubans doing all those jobs, huh? Hey, wait a minute…

The majority didn’t want it for various reasons, did not want to be a target, didn’t want terrorists on US soil, let alone IL, that area doesn’t have enough homes, schools, etc. to support the influx of required personnel.

That district was a dem stronghold, the dem US Rep had promoted the prison and was beaten badly,

That’s why people flock to Illinois in the winter, instead of the Caribbean.

writer said:
That’s why people flock to Illinois in the winter, instead of the Caribbean.

Have you seen the lengths Cubans will go to to escape that awful weather?

That’s the only reason.

"Real" American said:
Care to explain the nuanced differences between 1943 waterboarding and 2008 waterboarding from your extensive direct knowledge?

Sure. The Japanese version killed people. It was a very different thing. You could look it up.

writer said:
That’s the only reason.

Why else would you flee such a worker’s paradise? They’ve got free health care and everything.

If you can’t trust Danny Glover and Sean Penn, who can you trust?

writer said:
If you can’t trust Danny Glover and Sean Penn, who can you trust?

Mel Gibson. And Bruce Willis.

"Real" American said:
I wonder if the open knowledge of waterboarding (and its criminal nature) had any effect on the U.S. troops that killed Afghani civilians for sport (and were dumbass enough to pose for pics with their “trophies”). Sure the troops are getting prosecuted….but are the people who waterboarded?

We just had 20 or so troops invade a sovereign country without any sort of permission, invade a private home and kill at least 5 people, one of whom was an unarmed man whose body they absconded with, right after they committed arson and torched said house.

Would you like to prosecute them, “Real American”? I’d like to buy them dinner and drinks.

And Richard Branson. On one of those lifestyles of the rich shows, he has his own island and a toilet with no walls surrounding it so he can overlook the sea.

This is the same POS who said yesterday that UBL was killed as he shot at the Seals.

Today we learn that UBL had no weapon and that his wife and children were in his room withe he was murdered.

Who cares about the PC’s and their info when you could have taken UBL alive?

You blew it Barry!

notsofast said:
Today we learn that UBL had no weapon and that his wife and children were in his room withe he was murdered.

Dude, don’t do it. This is a war and that wasn’t a murder. That was eliminating an enemy. Let “Real American” wrangle with the legal nuances.

HA, just think SEAL Teams were called “assassination squads” when W was President, but no longer. It is soooo funny to watch the media change their tune now that Obama ordered the mission.

Kudo’s to Obama for having the balls to do so; shame on the media for pretending that the policies that Obama “inherited” weren’t responsible for this mission success. The public knows it despite the media’s attempt to diminish it; just makes them look tlike the small minded individuals they really are.

Pablo said:
We just had 20 or so troops invade a sovereign country without any sort of permission, invade a private home and kill at least 5 people, one of whom was an unarmed man whose body they absconded with, right after they committed arson and torched said house. Would you like to prosecute them, “Real American”? I’d like to buy them dinner and drinks.

LOL Pablo, nice diversion. They were on an assigned mission, OK’ed by the CinC.. The soldiers I was referencing tossed a nade at a teenaged boy for sport, and took pics of themselves with the corpse. They are being prosecuted for same. I am sure, with your all encompassing Google knowledge, you are aware of the case. What I was curious about was whether or not criminal activity in one part of the military fomented a feeling that “it’s all good”. You know, Sheeny leading by example.

Mediaite, Brennan didn’t counter the waterboarding claim-he issued a non-denial denial. He said he had no knowledge, he didn’t deny it, which he obviously could have. You even concede it was a ‘somewhat’ counter. So, why do you not say that in your headline?

"Real" American said:
They were on an assigned mission, OK’ed by the CinC..

The CinC doesn’t run Pakistan, a sovereign country.

The soldiers I was referencing tossed a nade at a teenaged boy for sport, and took pics of themselves with the corpse.

Those are shitheads who deserve no respect. But you were also taking about our interrogators who, speaking of diversions, have nothing to do with the nitwits in Afghanistan.

What I was curious about was whether or not criminal activity in one part of the military fomented a feeling that “it’s all good”.

The military didn’t conduct the enhanced interrogations. Are you still curious?

Pablo said:
The CinC doesn’t run Pakistan, a sovereign country.

Thanks for that clarification. So now this whole affair was a bad idea, is that your point? Should we have waited patiently for Osama to skitter across the border into our sights? Is that your point? Or are you just yapping to yap?

Pablo said:
<The military didn’t conduct the enhanced interrogations. Are you still curious?

Yes. I stay curious. I see you swallow. Oops I mean I see you swallow the company line about “enhanced interrogations”. With that attitude, you should be a slam dunk to get a job holding Sheeny’s pecker while he pees. The interrogators, the nitwits and all of the contractors/soldiers/agency folks all represent American and its values. When they lose sight of what we stand for, well then we are no better than that which we hate.

"Real" American said:
Thanks for that clarification. So now this whole affair was a bad idea, is that your point? Should we have waited patiently for Osama to skitter across the border into our sights? Is that your point? Or are you just yapping to yap?

No, I’m looking for some intellectual honesty and ideological consistency. I see that I’m looking in the wrong place.

TfT says:
HA, just think SEAL Teams were called “assassination squads” when W was President, but no longer. It is soooo funny to watch the media change their tune now that Obama ordered the mission.
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What’s sooooo funny about it? The fact that it didn’t happen! What was the source that any media called the noble SEALS…”assassination squads”? This might be hard because they never did! The hate of teas, goes on and on!

timcajun said:
What’s sooooo funny about it? The fact that it didn’t happen! What was the source that any media called the noble SEALS…”assassination squads”? This might be hard because they never did! The hate of teas, goes on and on!

Wrong, dumbass.

timcajun said:
TfT says:
HA, just think SEAL Teams were called “assassination squads” when W was President, but no longer. It is soooo funny to watch the media change their tune now that Obama ordered the mission.
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What’s sooooo funny about it? The fact that it didn’t happen! What was the source that any media called the noble SEALS…”assassination squads”? This might be hard because they never did! The hate of teas, goes on and on!

google your quote … dick cheneys assassination squads . just look for yourself . now the media is saying “from a death squad to heros overnight” !!!!! IDIOT

"Real" American said:
Thanks for that clarification. So now this whole affair was a bad idea, is that your point? Should we have waited patiently for Osama to skitter across the border into our sights? Is that your point? Or are you just yapping to yap?

Yes. I stay curious. I see you swallow. Oops I mean I see you swallow the company line about “enhanced interrogations”. With that attitude, you should be a slam dunk to get a job holding Sheeny’s pecker while he pees. The interrogators, the nitwits and all of the contractors/soldiers/agency folks all represent American and its values. When they lose sight of what we stand for, well then we are no better than that which we hate.

YOU ARE AN IDIOT … normally i debate without name calling . this is not calling names it’s just letting you know the truth as all see you . the CIA interrogated the prisoners and obtained important info in the act . now the leftist cheer the only thing that has gone right for their guy . get over it quick as the price of gas and milk is still over $4 a gallon .

Brennan is a lying bastard.

Rumsfeld said it did.

Panetta said it did.

http://j.mp/lMUE2w

Peter King said it did.

Jay Carney tapped danced around the issue, never denying it.

Chief John Brennan weakly countered that claim, saying he had no knowledge of the use of that technique.

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/obama-administration-officials-woefully-unprepared-for-waterboarding-questions/

Sounds like it did.

THE MAN says:
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Thank you for the “tea spin” IDIOT!

If you believe waterboarding works, you must believe you would sell out everything you believe in to avoid pain.

In other words, you are just another politician.

Think about how you would react to any kind of torture. Really think about it, and do not give me the argument that any means is justified to save lives because doing stupid things does not save lives and torture is stupid.

I can understand the desire to torture people who deserve it, but that is not interrogation.