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Marc Lamont Hill: The Guest Who Tells Bill O’Reilly He’s Wrong About Everything

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Liberal commentator and professor Marc Lamont Hill was fired from Fox News in October, but that hasn’t stopped his regular appearances sparring with Bill O’Reilly on top-rated cable news show The O’Reilly Factor.

And last night’s segment perfectly exemplified the fresh air Hill brings to the program and the network – he’s not afraid to tell the host he’s completely wrong.

Last night’s lead segment featured O’Reilly continuing to air the endless loop of the National Geographic footage of the same Black Panthers yelling the same things about crackers, and questions about why the NAACP wasn’t doing anything about it. O’Reilly thought it was a a double standard, but as he often does, he hedged it, “Am I wrong here?”

Marc Lamont Hill had an answer. “Yeah, you’re absolutely wrong here,” he said. The rest of the debate featured comments like “what you’re saying is counter-factual” and “you have wildly unfair and unrealistic, and to some extent, patronizing expectations for the NAACP.”

This was fun too:

O’Reilly: I’m not a smart guy like you.
Hill: I concede that point.

This was about the closest the two came to agreeing on anything: “If I were to make a list of priorities for the NAACP, challenging the racism in the tea parties wouldn’t be one or two or three,” said Hill.

There wasn’t shouting and there weren’t threats to cut a mic. It wasn’t pundits predictably sparring either. This was just a case of a strong difference of opinion given the airtime to debate the issue at hand. It’s something you see so rarely on cable news – and what makes O’Reilly so consistently successful.

Here’s the segment:

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  • http://apostrophejones.com Apostrophe jones

    Hill is wrong on most everything , but he is funny and clever about it . A good guest .

  • writer

    O’Reilly should take a lesson from Olbermann and only have on guests who agree with him.

  • notsofast

    I get the feeling that Hill was the one who wrote Abbott and Costello’s “Who’s on First.”

  • notsofast

    Apostrophe jones said:
    Hill is wrong on most everything , but he is funny and clever about it . A good guest .

    No, no, no- you must think like a lib- since he is on FOX, he must be a “negro” or an “Uncle Tom.”

  • MichelleF

    Writer, this is weird for me, but I have to disagree with you here. I think some of Bill’s best segments are when he brings on crazy libs and just lets them go. They usually end of burying themselves far better than we could. I NEVER agree with Hill, but he’s not hateful like alot of libs. He’s just always wrong!

  • writer

    Just a rhetorical statement, Michelle. We all know Olbermann will never have on anyone who disagrees with him.

  • ChuckfromTacoma

    Hill is an entertaining guest at all times. He is full of shit, but funny.
    I just find it amusing to watch such a smart, well educated man come to such bizarre, wrong conclusions.
    Hill is, by far, my favorite rat bastard commie commentator.

  • whytee

    Sometimes I enjoy Bill O’Reilly, but he is a dinosaur. That kind of agenda-laden non-discussion is so boring. I just hope these guys enjoy it while it lasts.

  • Azarkhan

    I’ve seen Hill on RedEye; he was quick and funny, even while impeccably dressed in his trademark suit.

    It is interesting (ironic?) that he was fired after a quarrel with David Horowitz. Horowitz was an editor for the radical 60′s magazine Ramparts and also worked with Huey Newton and the Black Panther party. The murder of Betty Van Patter, allegedly by the Panthers after she discovered financial improprieties while serving as their bookkeeper, finally opened his eyes.

  • notsofast

    MichelleF said:
    I NEVER agree with Hill, but he’s not hateful like alot of libs. He’s just always wrong!

    Agree, but what is scary is that he is teaching at a university and has the logic and reasoning of a fool.

  • notsofast

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    whytee said:
    Sometimes I enjoy Bill O’Reilly, but he is a dinosaur. I just hope these guys enjoy it while it lasts.

    O’Reilly has been #1 in his time spot for 10 years.

    You sound like a dina-sore.

  • Karol

    Hill talks so fast it is hard to understand what he is saying. I thought the firing in October was wise for Fox and I continue to wonder why Hill is frequently on the O’Reilly show. He is a distraction and I usually find something else to do during that hour.

  • atreyue

    It’s a shame that this article is presented on its face as a mini-profile of Mr. Hill and is in reality an indictment of Fox’s coverage of the NBPP and NAACP and Megyn Kelly’s interview. I think there are some major points raised in this interview that merit serious discussion and an article that highlighted the actual substance of the interview instead of this one could have fostered that discussion. Instead it’s left to the people who decide to watch the clip in spite of the article to bring up the more important aspects in the comments.

    I think the most important thing was the different definitions of racism that O’Reilly and Hill had, and that difference is at the heart of all these interconnected news stories. O’Reilly thinks any individual can be racist. Hill thinks only people with institutional power can be racist. Which one of them is right?

  • Averreauxii

    Hill is awesome. I love it when he tosses the grenades back into O’Reilly’s lap when Billo makes sophomoric juvenile remarks. I lean left but I’m a frequent O-Factor viewer because of this sort of interactions. His show is so much better than KO. It’s why his show beats the more ideological Hannity & Beck programs. The only segment I hate watching is “The Ingraham Angle” because I know what she’s going to say before she opens her pie-hole. She’s a dogmatic conservative zealot. She swings from George W. Bush’s nuts all the time and is a psychotic obsessive compulsive Obama hater on everything he or Michelle Obama does. The other panelists are ok because there’s at least some reasoning behind their positions even though some (see Dick Morris) lie through their teeth to make/raise money.

  • felixw

    I think that Fox is smart to put leftwingers on O’Reilly’s show. It results in the kind of frank and open give-and-take that you never hear on MSNBC or CNN. But Fox should find a more credible spokesperson for liberal views than Professor Hill, who takes such extreme positions that he could never convince the undecided in any debate. In the world of Marc Lamont Hill, criminals are always more trustworthy than cops, more government is the solution to every problem, etc. His responses are so knee-jerk and off-the-wall that he can hardly score any points against O’Reilly. Isn’t there any reasonable liberal out there who can actually debate and not just present reheated socialist class war dogmas?

  • Averreauxii

    atreyue said:

    I think the most important thing was the different definitions of racism that O’Reilly and Hill had, and that difference is at the heart of all these interconnected news stories. O’Reilly thinks any individual can be racist. Hill thinks only people with institutional power can be racist. Which one of them is right?

    It’s complicated. They are both right since they are seeing the same thing through different lenses. Racism has a POWER behind it that denies access of a particular item to the person being discriminated against due to the racial prejudice. Think of the Jim Crow laws (blacks denied equal access) or apartheid in S. Africa. There’s a big difference between racism and normal prejudice which can be racial, religious, ethnic etc. Anyone can be prejudiced or bigoted in some way, only some can be truly racist since they can use their prejudice to subjugate others.

    Of course there’s the other definition when it comes to believing your own race is intrinsically better or superior to another. This is the basis of separatist groups like the KKK and the NBP. That’s also a racist demeanor. Bah!

  • tjames

    If the other cable channels would learn to have both sides of an argument presented their ratings would go up. I enjoyed this type of discussion. No veins pop out of necks and no one needs blood pressure medication during a commercial. These are two men who have very different opinions but are willing to sit and talk about them.

    But I would still love to see KO come on the O-factor. That would just be great!

  • http://www.heartland.org/environmentandclimate-news.org/ClimateConference4 Just Tex

    How is lying about the Tea Party “advocating for people of color”?

    Hill, like the NAA(L)CP live in a very different universe, where facts spring from their mind. Not from reality.

  • Iris

    Grampy nutso Billo is #1 in YOUR demographic (you know, like old) , hence the term dinosaur and enjoy it while it lasts is because all the young people aren’t into that fox news nastiness and lack of civility so they will eventually not be watched. K?

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/ronke-a/509394975 ronke a

    Enjoyable exchange between the two, but Marc didn’t answer Bill’s questions. While this video was different from the Mk v. KP one, I still enjoyed watching Megyn give Kelly the beat-down.

  • MichelleF

    All right, I’ve had ENOUGH of the liberal race-baiting!!

    There are NO more racists in the tea-party than there are in the population as a whole. If you can find evidence to dispute that, I’d LOVE to see it. Oh and please sure the evidence doesn’t come from Media Matters, Daily Kos, MSNBC, Think Progress, etc. Carry on race-baiters!

  • Iris

    Hey Shelley , check out the “What if the Tea Party were Black ” video, It’s great, maybe it will help you understand and not hate so much

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Stephen-Hogan/179500970 Stephen Hogan

    writer said:
    O’Reilly should take a lesson from Olbermann and only have on guests who agree with him.

    I’d rather him not. The last thing we need is another pundit relying on sycophants on either side of the political aisle.

  • MichelleF

    Iris,
    You continue to be a moron. If you have evidence that the % of racists is greater in the TP than the overall population, why don’t you go ahead and post. it. Otherwise, SHUTTY!!

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Val-Anderson/100000119994645 Val Anderson

    I am always so terribly embarrassed when La Mont is on O Rielly, he (Marc) is so stupid I have no idea how he can teach at a college, and beside all that he is a racist, his only perspective is through black colored glasses, I wonder how he treats his white students??? Does he give grade them lower than his black students? People like La Mont thrive on racism, plus the fool can not tell the truth about the BP and Naacp, so if he can’t tell the truth why is he on the OReilly show, Actually my husband always turns O’Reilly off when La Mont is on

  • notsofast

    Iris said:
    Hey Shelley , check out the “What if the Tea Party were Black ” video, It’s great, maybe it will help you understand and not hate so much

    Says the lib hate machine.

  • The Real Royal King

    MichelleF said:
    Iris,
    You continue to be a moron. If you have evidence that the % of racists is greater in the TP than the overall population, why don’t you go ahead and post. it. Otherwise, SHUTTY!!

    This is not Compound W, Michelle in Utah, and Iris is not your Sister Wife. You don’t get to tell her to Shutty.

  • notsofast

    The Real Royal King said:
    This is not Compound W, Michelle in Utah, and Iris is not your Sister Wife. You don’t get to tell her to Shutty.

    Wrong, moron!

  • MichelleF

    You don’t get to tell her to Shutty.

    Ah, I think I just did, Royal Race-Baiter.

  • Big_F-ing_Deal

    MichelleF said:
    Writer, this is weird for me, but I have to disagree with you here.

    Jesus F**king Salamander, Michelle…you don’t understand sarcasm very well do ya?

    That’s what happens when you don’t have a sense of humor. lol

  • Iris

    Shutty Shelley, Little scared of Black people Shutty Shelley. Maybe if you tried really , really hard you could hate just a little more

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Chris-Lindhartsen/704548889 Chris Lindhartsen

    It’s a fun little segment and I’m with Marc on this, but the larger point I’d make is this is how a discussion is done, even if it’s still a little confrontational, vs the event the other day with Kelly vs Powers that really didn’t make any points at all. Good on Bill on Marc, and fair points on both sides to an extent…

  • MichelleF

    Iris, the only thing I hate is liberal race-baiters such as yourself, BFD, Royal Race-baiter, Ted, John, and the rest. Keep it up though, I think it’s a great strategy to call anyone who doesn’t agree with Obama a racist. You should win by a landslide with it in the upcoming elections!!

  • atreyue

    Averreauxii said:
    It’s complicated. They are both right since they are seeing the same thing through different lenses. Racism has a POWER behind it that denies access of a particular item to the person being discriminated against due to the racial prejudice. Think of the Jim Crow laws (blacks denied equal access) or apartheid in S. Africa. There’s a big difference between racism and normal prejudice which can be racial, religious, ethnic etc. Anyone can be prejudiced or bigoted in some way, only some can be truly racist since they can use their prejudice to subjugate others.

    Of course there’s the other definition when it comes to believing your own race is intrinsically better or superior to another. This is the basis of separatist groups like the KKK and the NBP. That’s also a racist demeanor. Bah!

    I don’t think they can both be right. Either racism is a synonym for bigotry or racism is only the application of bigotry by one person who holds power over another (which is what Hill tries to assert). The latter seems to be a very convenient definition for people who are members of minority groups. The reality is that your station in life doesn’t determine whether you can be deemed a racist. Racists need to be singled out and condemned wherever they are and no one should get a pass. The things you list are the actions of racists who have power. What happens when other racists are allowed to come to power because their actions and beliefs were explained away when they weren’t in power?

    Steve left out of his article that the basis for Hill’s insistence that O’Reilly is wrong is that by Hill’s definition of racism, only Whites can be labeled as racist, and that the NAACP only exists to defend Blacks and it’s unfair to expect them to ever denounce a black person, as that would be against the charter of the NAACP. That’s Hill’s “logic”.

  • Iris

    Shutty Shelly, I think you meant just one of the things you hate since you’re on this site 24/7 talking about all the things you hate.

  • atreyue

    Chris Lindhartsen said:
    It’s a fun little segment and I’m with Marc on this, but the larger point I’d make is this is how a discussion is done, even if it’s still a little confrontational, vs the event the other day with Kelly vs Powers that really didn’t make any points at all. Good on Bill on Marc, and fair points on both sides to an extent…

    Why do you agree with Marc? I don’t think anyone can really be said to have made a point using faulty logic, they just said stuff (this is a lesson that Powers is now being forced to learn, hopefully Megyn will wake up and start applying that same refusal to entertain bullshit to the other side of the aisle as well). How that stuff was said shouldn’t be allowed to affect the veracity of what was said.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bill-Adkins/1585417987 Bill Adkins

    Just Tex said:
    How is lying about the Tea Party “advocating for people of color”? Hill, like the NAA(L)CP live in a very different universe, where facts spring from their mind. Not from reality.

    It might be wrong to lie about the Tea Party. But that’s not what has happened here. Selling T-shirts that say, “Yup, I’m a racist” is NOT a way to distance yourself from racists. Winking at racism isn’t, either. Using the lie that ‘everytime a conservative disagrees with you you holler racism’ is itself playing a lame race card. Marc Lamont Hill kicked O’Lielly’s ass.

  • honeyd

    I had to laugh, his argument was so convoluted and illogical, he confused even himself.

  • thetroll01

    Hill is nothing more than a fast-talking carnival barker, trying to convince the slow witted that what he is selling is actually good for you.

  • RTB

    Just because hill tells oreily he ‘s wrong on everything doesnt mean hill’s right about everything. Why fox has this guy on is beyond comprehension, im guessing they re trying to tap into a maury povich/ jerry springer type of audience and appeal to them to bulk up ratings, i mean why else would he be on? He’s not subjective at all, he’s racially and politically bias, why have a guest like that on?
    A couple night ago oreily asked him point blank has the naacp ever condone a racist comment or rant from another black ever, he had no answer danced around the question and replied thats not the naccps job. I believe that was on wednesday’ s show. It s hard to call someone an idiot who has a phd, but clearly hill has a typical case of black myopia.

  • writer

    Bill Adkins says the left doesn’t yell ‘racist’ at everyone they disagree with. And he’s always one of the first to do it. LOL

  • http://www.thecobraslair.com Cobra

    atreyu writes:

    “Racists need to be singled out and condemned wherever they are and no one should get a pass. “

    So given American History, and its treatment of non-whites, this country should NOT get a pass?

    RTB:

    “A couple night ago oreily asked him point blank has the naacp ever condone a racist comment or rant from another black ever, he had no answer danced around the question and replied thats not the naccps job. “

    Again…the contention that both you and O’Reilly makes is that EVERY Black person, group or organization is responsible for the actions, statements or comments of every other Black person. O’Reilly works on a network that hired Mark Fuhrman. How many of the almost entirely White on-air personalities on Fox News have officially denounced and repudiated the words of RECORDED statements of Mark Furhman?

    Bill O’Reilly and many posters here hold minorities to a DIFFERENT standard. But hey, that’s the history of America in regards to race, right?

    –Cobra

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Isidro-Garcia/1622148780 Isidro Garcia

    O’Reilly can actually be level headed compared to loonies like Hannity, Beck, Ingraham and assorted nuts like Tancredo, Palin,and Limbaugh. I could do worse if he was the last speaker heard before the end of days.

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