This is the point the Obama administration and especially the secretary of state seem to miss. You cannot negotiate with people that refuse to recognize your existence and publicly advocate for your destruction.

The idea that Israel should sit down and talk with any government that contains elements of Hamas or Hezbollah is just plain wrong. If this administration was really serious about this, they would demand that the Palestinians honor the first parts of every peace plan that has been put forth:

1) Recognize Israel’s right to exist
2) Renounce terrorism and all that advocate it.

Instead the Palestinians decided to go with Hamas, which has in its very charter a call to kill all Jews. Until Obama clearly denounces them for this, nothing happens. And expecting the UN (home of institutional anti-semitism since 1948) to act responsibly towards Israel is just plain naive.

Hooray for Bibi for making this point repeatedly.

The Islamists have no desire to negotiate anything. As long as they can keep the “palestinian conflict” alive, they have the cloak they need to continue with their open “jihad”. What excuse could they use for their fanaticism once a Palestine is created?

There’s only one way to deal with the Islamo-Nazis. The same way the original Nazis were dealt with

Im missing something did Obama say that Israel should negotiate with Hamas?

Now, I have said repeatedly that core issues can only be negotiated in direct talks between the parties. And I indicated on Thursday that the recent agreement between Fatah and Hamas poses an enormous obstacle to peace. No country can be expected to negotiate with a terrorist organization sworn to its destruction. We will continue to demand that Hamas accept the basic responsibilities of peace: recognizing Israel’s right to exist, rejecting violence, and adhering to all existing agreements. And we once again call on Hamas to release Gilad Shalit, who has been kept from his family for five long years.

brownsound said:
The Islamists have no desire to negotiate anything.

Correct. They are using Israel as the excuse to pursue the death of the Jews. Sadly they are not the first with that goal and will not be the last. The Nazis were also not the first. They were just the most efficient.

and thats a direct quote from Obama you guys invent things to get upset about

does anyone else think netayahu just a tad creepy?

sorry, netanyahu

insideguy said:
Im missing something did Obama say that Israel should negotiate with Hamas?

HIllary has been pushing Israel to negotiate. Obama has repeatedly suggested that they negotiate with Fatah even after the Fatah-Hamas deal. He pretty much said so last week. Even while condemning Hamas, he was calling for negotiations with Fatah. As if they are separate.

insideguy said:
And we once again call on Hamas to release Gilad Shalit, who has been kept from his family for five long years.

I’m sorry. Did Obama even mention that? Has Hillary mentioned it? Did Bush or Rice mention it? George Mitchell? Tony Blair? Anyone? The UN? No. They ignore it as if it is some minor little item on their checklist. This is the prime example of the double standard the world applies to Israel. An Israeli soldier kidnapped and held captive for 5 years is a minor inconvenience while a Hamas militant leader killed is a major issue.

Yep he mentioned it its from his speech. And it was a prominent quote from his speech.

insideguy said:
and thats a direct quote from Obama you guys invent things to get upset about

Really? 1967 borders with “mutually agreed upon swaps?” Who do you think suggested that the development of non-contested Israeli land was a problem for the Palestinians to exploit? Obama and company. Until they mentioned it, it had never come up before.

There is no need to invent anything. It is all there in the public record. On this issue, this administration is flat out on the wrong side.

And until Obama calls for the release of Galid Shalit, he is simply not really helping.

He says in the speech that the Fatah-Hamas alliance is an enormous obstacle to negotiations which to me says that negotiations cant happen as long as this relationship continues so whats the deal. Like I said all of this are from his mouth Im unsure of what you guys are upset about.

Well, you can always do what Barry suggests: surrender.

He just did in his speech Keeva that is a direct quote!

The release of Shalit should be REQUIRED before anything else happens. Period.

why do you guys say that notsofast did you just read what i printed why do you guys do this?

All Obama can do is ask this from Hamas, Its up to Israel to negotiate the release of him. He is not a us soldier the USA is not going to go in and rescue him.

Keeva would you like me to cut and paste bushes speech form 2007 he says the same things about the 67 borders with mutual swaps. Im so tired of this it doesn’t matter to you guys.

insideguy said:
He says in the speech that the Fatah-Hamas alliance is an enormous obstacle to negotiations

It is more than an obstacle. It is a show stopper. If he was serious he would call on Fatah to walk away from the Hamas deal and not for Hamas to change their stance.

The real problem is that most of the world would be a lot happier if Israel just went away. They pay lip service to peace, but never ever hold the Palestinians responsible for any of their actions. The protests at the border last week where militants tried to illegally enter Israel from Lebanon and Syria happened right under the nose of UN “peacekeepers,” who ignored it. Did you hear a reference to that from the administration?

How about the fact that the Arab world calls Israeli independence day “The Great Catastrophe?” Any mention of that? Any mention of Hezbollah’s massive illegal stockpile of missiles and rockets? How about the massive weapons cache in Gaza? No, no and no. It has long been world policy (including the US) to turn a blind eye to this stuff while constantly holding Israel to a different standard.

insideguy said:
Keeva would you like me to cut and paste bushes speech form 2007 he says the same things about the 67 borders with mutual swaps. Im so tired of this it doesn’t matter to you guys.

No need. Bush was just as bad about it. No US President since Truman has been even close to decent about it. This is not just about Obama. It is about long standing US policy to coddle the Palestinian terrorists as if they are not terrorists. Need I even start with Hillary’s pal, the murderer Arafat?

I realize you think he meant one thing, but it is not at all what was meant. Nor what was said.

Why am I so adamant? Well, when you lose friend to Palestinian terrorists, you kind of lose any kind of tolerance for their endless games. And I have lost more than one friend to those murderers.

No president crosses these lines you want Obama to cross. Are you correct on many of the things you say yes. My point is that Obama could have filled his speech with all of the above things you just mentioned and you guys would still attack him. Bush didn’t mention these things neither one did, because there are certain lines us presidents don’t cross for a variety of reasons. I really don’t know what else to say. All I ask is please be consistent when you boy or girl gets into office. Honestly what Obama said in this speech is no different and in some respects asks even more of the palestinians than other president both deems and republicans have asked. Obama breaths and you guys call him a terrorist loving socialist freak.

insideguy said:
No president crosses these lines you want Obama to cross. Are you correct on many of the things you say yes. My point is that Obama could have filled his speech with all of the above things you just mentioned and you guys would still attack him. Bush didn’t mention these things neither one did, because there are certain lines us presidents don’t cross for a variety of reasons. I really don’t know what else to say. All I ask is please be consistent when you boy or girl gets into office. Honestly what Obama said in this speech is no different and in some respects asks even more of the palestinians than other president both deems and republicans have asked. Obama breaths and you guys call him a terrorist loving socialist freak.

There is world of difference between notsofast and Keeva.

This is so true Who is Salacious:) One has a logical Brain who thinks and the other may be a monkey with a key board:) Your cool Keeva:)

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The more you guys talk, the rounder your mouths gets.

BTW, do you use Vaseline or KY Jelly to create new orifices on your inflatable Michelle Obama doll?

great one notsofast you are a great representation of the right you are hilarious. The right needs someone funny maybe you should look into becoming a comedian.

insideguy said:
No president crosses these lines you want Obama to cross.

You mean like telling other countries what to do about their borders while ignoring his own?

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The right needs someone funny maybe you should look into becoming a comedian.

You already are son.

After all,you’re the reason God created the middle finger.

DO you guys have a conservative quote book with about 10 quotes that you picked up from the heritage foundation and repeat them over and over whats the deal? Please post something original or even more outlandish put up a good argument.

insideguy said:
Please post something original or even more outlandish put up a good argument.

Take your own advice, son.

Oh I think I could take a survey about who puts up a better argument and you would finish somewhere between last, dead last, and forgot to start.

insideguy said:
heritage foundation a

*drink*

insideguy said:
Oh I think I could take a survey about who puts up a better argument and you would finish somewhere between last, dead last, and forgot to start.

Yes, an MSNBC survey, son.

Keep talking, someday you’ll say something intelligent.

Wow Jaurez not sure what that meant but thats the most original thing you’ve posted in months:)

Insideguy -

I know I got a little hot there, but this issue is very close to me. I try to generally be more reasonable. Thanks for understanding. I suspect we agree on a lot of other stuff.

By the way, I am adamantly No Party Affiliation and maintain that both sides (Dem/GOP, Liberal/Conservative, whatever) are equally bad these days. It is really a shame since the nation really needs actual leadership right now and not this endless tit for tat that both sides seem to revel in. This is not to say that Obama is not trying. He is. But both parties are so hell bent on the game instead of governance, that no president really has a chance.

Look at the border comment above. Is there still a problem? Yes. But the simple fact is that between the last year or so of Bush and this administration, almost every single GOP demand for border security has been filled, yet they still claim nothing has been done. Democrats are no better, trying to blame literally everything on the last administration, when they had the Congress for the last 2 years of Bush and had a large hand in making this mess. As if they did not vote to authorize 2 wars, Gitmo, Patriot Act and massive deficit spending.

It is this pointless blame game that has us stagnated.

insideguy said:
DO you guys have a conservative quote book with about 10 quotes that you picked up from the heritage foundation and repeat them over and over whats the deal?

Both sides just endlessly repeat the same nonsense. And when one side takes over power, they simply swap talking points. Kind of sad if you ask me.

Look at the border comment above. Is there still a problem? Yes. But the simple fact is that between the last year or so of Bush and this administration, almost every single GOP demand for border security has been filled, yet they still claim nothing has been done. Democrats are no better, trying to blame literally everything on the last administration, when they had the Congress for the last 2 years of Bush and had a large hand in making this mess. As if they did not vote to authorize 2 wars, Gitmo, Patriot Act and massive deficit spending.

It is this pointless blame game that has us stagnated.

You know Keeva just that paragraph means to me that you are open minded and intelligent. Your the kind of voter both parties are fighting for, but the extremes on both sides overwhelm the argument. I hope things change in this next year or two but I have a feeling its gonna get really ugly.

It’s not that they miss it, it’s that they don’t care. They can’t care. They are driven by their belief system and their belief system drives them to work to force everything to be “equal”. They MUST tear down Israel. They must elevate the Palestinians.

The Syrians are killing many of their own people, we’re giving money to Egypt when we don’t know who is running Egypt, we’re in Libya for some odd reason, we’ve ignored the true problem of Iran and somehow Obama springs into action and demands that Israel give up land!!!

Watch and absorb the video “How Modern Liberals Think” at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c .

Once people start to figure out the patterns of how these types of liberals think, you can see why they do what they do.

But let’s be clear, the liberals know exactly what the consequences are of Israel giving up the land, it’s that they find the consequences acceptable – just like they find the consequences of their ideas in the inner cities (hopelessness, despair and death) acceptable. If they didn’t find the consequences acceptable, they would have aced five decades ago.

insideguy said:
You know Keeva just that paragraph means to me that you are open minded and intelligent. Your the kind of voter both parties are fighting for, but the extremes on both sides overwhelm the argument. I hope things change in this next year or two but I have a feeling its gonna get really ugly

Thanks. I see the same in you and some others around here as well. I think this is going to be a tremendously ugly campaign season, but maybe that is what is needed. Something so ugly and so bad that those of us in the middle finally toss the lot of them out.

Obama made no such demand Alz he suggested it. And as the president of the country that has given Israel 130 billion dollars over the years with 20 billion more on the way he has that right. He has done no different than the last president did. You just cant or wont see it.

notsofast said:
The more you guys talk, the rounder your mouths gets.

BTW, do you use Vaseline or KY Jelly to create new orifices on your inflatable Michelle Obama doll?

You are either some deranged Palingate/Code Pink–type operative playing a character to perpetuate the current Republican stereotype to be mined that they’ve all degraded into vile vapid thugs,or, you really are just a vile vapid thug.

Think about it, I contrast your conservative viewpoint on Israel with Keeva’s: and you respond with a Michelle Obama blow-up doll crack.

Who is Salacious Crumb said:
Think about it, I contrast your conservative viewpoint on Israel with Keeva’s: and you respond with a Michelle Obama blow-up doll crack.

LOL

I liked that, son. It was purely to respond to libs like Ted/Garth/Dirk/ Sam M/Girth Brick, etc.

Was I wrong, son?

notsofast said:
LOL

I liked that, son. It was purely to respond to libs like Ted/Garth/Dirk/ Sam M/Girth Brick, etc.

Quoting myself and insideguy might cause confusion to who you’re “really” responding to.

notsofast said:
Was I wrong, son?

I don’t know: it depends on if you’re really a deranged liberal or a deranged conservative?

he’s just deranged

insideguy said:
he’s just deranged

Sure. Of course. Whatever you say. I believe you! (pushes button to summon Security).No, seriously, I do (continues to press button for Security.) We will discuss it 1st. thing in the morning.
Quick, get the sedative!

The Palestinians are only hurting themself by not negotiating peace with Israel. It’s hard to feel sorry for someone who cuts their nose off to spite their face. Personally, since there has never been peace in that part of the world I see no reason to believe that there ever will be.

Netanyahu Talks Obama Doctrine With Hannity: ‘You Can’t Negotiate With People Who Want To Kill You’

I loved watching Hannity try his hardest get Netenyahu to criticize Obama. lol. The more he tried the more Netanayho praised Obama. Poor Sean had to rely on his trusty backup of propogandists to do it for him. That was one time I enjoyed watching Hannity!!!! LOL

After this current visit by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu us ” real ” American people can add ‘ DOORMAT ‘ to Barack’s long list of embarrassing accomplishments……FLUSH.

Barack Must Go said:
Netanyahu Talks Obama Doctrine With Hannity: ‘You Can’t Negotiate With People Who Want To Kill You’

Uhmmmmm, isn’t that what Obama said from day one…lol

Barack Must Go said:
After this current visit by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu us ” real ” American people can add ‘ DOORMAT ‘ to Barack’s long list of embarrassing accomplishments……FLUSH.

Is that the best you got?

insideguy said:
Oh I think I could take a survey about who puts up a better argument and you would finish somewhere between last, dead last, and forgot to start.

There’s a survey already happening and you’re losing, badly. In fact, you’re getting skunked.

darladoon said:
does anyone else think netayahu just a tad creepy?

lol…are you the same bimbet who found it outrageous that I said Moore was ugly inside and out?

glenn113 said:
Is that the best you got?

You’ve worn out your kneepads. Get another pair.

insideguy said:
But the simple fact is that between the last year or so of Bush and this administration, almost every single GOP demand for border security has been filled, yet they still claim nothing has been done.

Nonsense. You let Obama lie to you and take it as Holy Gospel delivered from on high. Take the fence issue. Not nearly enough has been done. The GAO says that 44% of the border is under operational control and only 15% is totally controlled.

Further, who has claimed that NOTHING has been done? Obama lies, and you applaud.

insideguy said:
Im missing something did Obama say that Israel should negotiate with Hamas?

Yes.

And yet, no matter how hard it may be to start meaningful negotiations under the current circumstances, we must acknowledge that a failure to try is not an option.

notsofast said:
You already are son. After all,you’re the reason God created the middle finger.

that joke wasn’t funny the first hundred times you repeated it.

notsofast said:
Well, you can always do what Barry suggests: surrender.

wait, so he didn’t kill osama bin laden?

notsofast said:
The more you guys talk, the rounder your mouths gets. BTW, do you use Vaseline or KY Jelly to create new orifices on your inflatable Michelle Obama doll?

Notsofast projecting his fantasies.

Alz said:
It’s not that they miss it, it’s that they don’t care. They can’t care. They are driven by their belief system and their belief system drives them to work to force everything to be “equal”. They MUST tear down Israel. They must elevate the Palestinians. The Syrians are killing many of their own people, we’re giving money to Egypt when we don’t know who is running Egypt, we’re in Libya for some odd reason, we’ve ignored the true problem of Iran and somehow Obama springs into action and demands that Israel give up land!!! Watch and absorb the video “How Modern Liberals Think” at http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaE98w1KZ-c . Once people start to figure out the patterns of how these types of liberals think, you can see why they do what they do. But let’s be clear, the liberals know exactly what the consequences are of Israel giving up the land, it’s that they find the consequences acceptable – just like they find the consequences of their ideas in the inner cities (hopelessness, despair and death) acceptable. If they didn’t find the consequences acceptable, they would have aced five decades ago.

alz, do you purposely try to sound like a walking hypocritical stereotype? we just sanctioned syria and as we have seen obama has been slow to act in all the revolutions in the arab spring.

Pablo said:
Nonsense. You let Obama lie to you and take it as Holy Gospel delivered from on high. Take the fence issue. Not nearly enough has been done. The GAO says that 44% of the border is under operational control and only 15% is totally controlled. Further, who has claimed that NOTHING has been done? Obama lies, and you applaud.

what does this have to do with israel? oh wait nothing.

what I find funny is all the beckerheads here who are going to talk about israel being set up. Netanyahu just said support for israel is at an all time high and these morons are trying to make it sound like obama is proping up palestine to destroy israel. It’s pretty damn funny.

Barack Must Go said:
After this current visit by Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu us ” real ” American people can add ‘ DOORMAT ‘ to Barack’s long list of embarrassing accomplishments……FLUSH.

did you find his birthcertificate yet?

Nationman said:
what does this have to do with israel? oh wait nothing.

It has to do with the comment I quoted and was responding to, you moron. I realize that it’s hard to post 7 intelligent comments in a row, but maybe you could set your sights a little lower, like maybe 1 in a row. Baby steps.

Pablo said:
It has to do with the comment I quoted and was responding to, you moron. I realize that it’s hard to post 7 intelligent comments in a row, but maybe you could set your sights a little lower, like maybe 1 in a row. Baby steps.

fine then let’s engage this nonsense. How do you feel about every president since ronald reagan supporting amnesty?

Pablo said:

Further, who has claimed that NOTHING has been done? Obama lies, and you applaud.

please, don’t act like every chance you idiots get you don’t use hyperbole to comment on the situation.

Nationman said:
fine then let’s engage this nonsense. How do you feel about every president since ronald reagan supporting amnesty?

What nonsense is that? Who has said anything about amnesty? You can go play in the weeds if you like, but I’m not coming with you.

Pablo said:
What nonsense is that? Who has said anything about amnesty? You can go play in the weeds if you like, but I’m not coming with you.

but I thought conservatives we’re supposed to be tough on illegal immigration? it’s just a confusing situation and I was hoping for clarification.

JasonMays said:
You’ve worn out your kneepads. Get another pair.

That’s oldie. Anything better?

Again, I just loved watching Hannity try and get Netanyaho to play politics and criticize Obama. The more he tried the more Netanyaho praised Obama so Hannity had to fall to his back-up propandists to do it instead. I loved it! Poor Sean had a bad night.

Yea I loved that to glenn. It drives him crazy when politicians don’t play his game. The sad thing is that Hannity kissed this guys ass more than he would any guy from this country who is a democrat. Hannity wishes Netanyaho was our president for life. The guy drives me nuts. I really thought Hannity was gonna try and make a move on him.

Oh and when Bibi loses the next election Hannity will blame the liberal democrats in the united states bank on it.

glenn113 said:
Again, I just loved watching Hannity try and get Netanyaho to play politics and criticize Obama. The more he tried the more Netanyaho praised Obama so Hannity had to fall to his back-up propandists to do it instead. I loved it! Poor Sean had a bad night.

Poor Sean had such a bad night that Netanyaho was on his show – good friends. Next…….

I would love to hear what Netanyahu has to say about Obimbo behind closed doors.

Nationman said:
alz, do you purposely try to sound like a walking hypocritical stereotype? we just sanctioned syria and as we have seen obama has been slow to act in all the revolutions in the arab spring.

Do the research. The sanctions are “baby-ish” and they’ll do nothing. Why not support the anti-Hezbollah people there? Why are we involved with Libya? Why aren’t we doing something in Bahrain?

Why is Obama throwing Israel under bus while things are such a mess? Wake up.

uhhhhh im awake Alz. How bout these whys Why did Bush give the CIA director a medal after 9-11? Why wasn’t he fired? Why did the first bush leave the iraqi people hanging after the first gulf war to be massacred. Why did the second bush land on an aircraft carrier and declared mission accomplished when the war had barely started? Why did Reagen send our marines to be blown up in Beruit and then run away? I could ask a lot of why also.

insideguy said:
uhhhhh im awake Alz. How bout these whys Why did Bush give the CIA director a medal after 9-11? Why wasn’t he fired? Why did the first bush leave the iraqi people hanging after the first gulf war to be massacred. Why did the second bush land on an aircraft carrier and declared mission accomplished when the war had barely started? Why did Reagen send our marines to be blown up in Beruit and then run away? I could ask a lot of why also.

Can’t deal with reality so you change the subject. Typical of you and other leftists.

But the Palestinians say that they got Hamas to acknowledge Israel’s right to exist. I guess you can’t negotiate with people that just want to lie to you.