Right Wing Media Goes Nuts Over Obama’s “Mongrel” Comment; Others Follow Suit
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I’m afraid I must agree with the learned, now-facially hirsute Jon Stewart: Nothing President Obama does will ever make his critics happy. In an appearance on The View, President Obama spoke with rare honesty about the issue of race, but got “Breitbarted” for his trouble. The media have gone into a frenzy over his use of the word “mongrel,” and some in the right-wing media have embarked on a particularly tone-deaf outrage high.
What I found refreshing about the President’s remarks was his acknowledgment of the instinctive root of racial prejudice, that primitive suspicion of things that are different (what some scientists call the “reptilian brain“), with which we all struggle. For most of us, it is a nictitating impulse, but its echo still informs our actions to some degree.
This is the key difference in how Obama talks about race, the fact that he doesn’t regard racial resentment as an unforgivable sin, but rather, as something that often feels like it has legitimate roots. The biggest problem with race relations in America is denial.
Out of all of the points the President makes in this segment, however, all we hear from the media is a Beavis and Butthead-esque “He said ‘mongrel!’”
The remark has sparked varying degrees of outrage among conservatives, who seem most perplexed by the fact that Obama can get away with it, but a hypothetical Republican could not. That, and the relative merits of the words “mutt” and “mongrel.” At least Rush Limbaugh seems to know they’re the same thing, but still manages to be outraged.
This is silly on its face, since not only has President Obama used this self-deprecating imagery before, so have many of the working-class white people I grew up with. It is born of a sense that lacking a pedigree is not only not a negative, but a point of pride.
Just below the surface, though, is the fact that Obama was actually being nice about it. He said “that’s actually true for white America as well, but we just know more about it.”
What he didn’t have to say is that the deficit of pedigree among black people in America is the result of all of that abducting into slavery, raping, lynching, and epidemic incarceration at the hands of a racist criminal justice system. He was trying to be nice about it. The reason he “gets away with it” is his point of view. It’s the same reason you can “get away with” calling your girlfriend “Sweetie,” but some dude at a bar can’t. And given the way this has overshadowed his larger message, he didn’t, in fact, “get away with it.”
Still, opponents of the President, as bewhiskered Daily Show host Jon Stewart points out, are duty-bound to focus on this crap. Shame on the mainstream media for focusing on this remark, out of context, Breitbart-style.
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The racist junkie Limbaugh need not be offended. He is not a mongrel. He is a full-blooded, pure bred pig.
Sounds like the lizard brain has a hard time rationalizing its mongrel race experience. Maybe he should just STFU.
Instead of a dog, wouldn’t a much more appropriate pet for Obama have been a….wait for it…..black panther?
Badda bing! Thank you. I’ll be here all week. Try the veal.
Tommy, would you feel the same if Beck or Limbaugh said it? No need to answer, we all know you wouldn’t. That’s always the point, the utter hypocrisy of the left. The left gets away with saying things the right would be crucified for!! Macaca anyone!
ps, stratdude, you are an idiot of the highest order.
“This is silly on its face, since not only has President Obama used this self-deprecating imagery before, so have many of the working-class white people I grew up with.”
Ahhhhhhhhhhhhh, Tommy Christopher , always the BHO apologist.
I have never heard someone refer to themselves or others as mongrels with the exception of this person:
I shall never fight in the armed forces with a Negro by my side … Rather I should die a thousand times, and see Old Glory trampled in the dirt never to rise again, than to see this beloved land of ours become degraded by race mongrels, a throwback to the blackest specimen from the wilds. ”
— Robert C. Byrd,
Tommy, it looks like you had a kindred spirit in Byrd.
Obviously Robert Byrd is the only racist in the history of Congress. I never heard of Strom Thurmond.
I know I will get called a BHO apologist and shill and all the other regular crap from some here, but I feel like when it comes to race, he is damned if he does and damned if he doesn’t. If he talks about race, people will say enough already and give it a rest and his election proves we’re post-racial, etc. If he doesn’t talk about race, people will say he should be talking about race more and generating honest discussions about race, etc. Either way he can’t win.
Tone deaf is right.
Shameless one-note shrill whining is all we hear from he right wing noise machine.
It’s fake outrage 24/7.
Anything to hate Obama.
Ahhhhhh, give me Strom’s quote on blacks being mongrels.
Hey Shoot, I long for the bush year’s when the Dem’s showered him with love and support. FAUX OUTRAGE ALERT!!!
Strom never said anything negative about black people of course. He was never a Dixiecrat or segregationist.
Non-responsive .
Also the topic here is people using the word “mongrel” not Strom.
Try staying on topic.
Yes sir!
Does “nigra” count?
“I wanna tell you, ladies and gentlemen, that there’s not enough troops in the army to force the Southern people to break down segregation and admit the nigra race into our theaters, into our swimming pools, into our homes, and into our churches.” – Strom Thurmond
No
And you obviously never lived in the South. That’s how many in the South pronounce the word “negro.”
But you have your agenda, so keep trying.
“There are forces at work in this country today which would lead our people down the same pathway to the total state that was traveled by the people of Germany, of Italy, of Russia. Harry Truman, Tom Dewey and Henry Wallace are birds of one feather. All three are kowtowing to minority blocs by advocating the so-called civil-rights program. This time they can not fool the people and especially the Democrats of the South. The Jeffersonian Democrats have spewed out of their mouths that MONGREL outfit which captured our party at Philadelphia.” -Strom Thurmond
Thankfully you have no agenda and never have, oh beacon of geographical wisdom.
Right Wing Media Goes Nuts Over Obama’s “Mongrel” Comment; Others Follow Suit
Or, in other words,
Obama calls people mongrels, the right Wing Media merely comments about it, some pointing out the hypocrisy had a Republican said it; Left wing media goes Nuts claiming Right Wing Media outrage.
So predictable.
Like so many people and their comments around here, including those proclaiming independence.
Thanks, lib shill!
LOL. Like clockwork. Never saw that one coming!
Sorry- Paulmondo, I just don’t believe that you should refer to blacks as “mongrels” like you do.
OK, conservative shill!
writer says: “Instead of a dog, wouldn’t a much more appropriate pet for Obama have been a….wait for it…..black panther?”
Don’t quit your day job, “writer.”
One world, two universes. The universe on the right has Obama doing nothing right, no matter how many Republican ideas he incorporates. The universe on the left is calling out the purveyors of the world in which all pols on the right are great and all on the left are horrible for America. One world, two truths, two sets of facts, two realities.
Let’s see: who supports Communists? Rupert Murdoch!?! No dung! Get the facts about Glenn Beck’s boss:
http://www.sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/2010/06/glenn-becks-boss-faction-unto-himself.html
Exactly. Check out the blogs that Tommy links. You’d be hard pressed to find any real “outrage”, just bemusement and the point (and I agree that it’s a specious point) that a conservative couldn’t get away with saying that.
I suppose since there are no recent Keith Olbermann gaffes for Tommy to mildly tsk-tsk as a pretext for a screed arguing that conservatives have no right to point fingers, Tommy must gin up some sort of controversy for copy today.
Expecting honesty from the right wing on any issue? You are doomed to disappointment. What about the rest of the statement, nutso, as to segregation, swimming pools and the rest – miss that?
I don’t have a problem with it. I happen to agree with the President.
Jeez, the right-wing nuts are apoplectic, I am shocked.
Where were these loyal Americans when we had eight years of a drunk (choked on a pretzel my ass, that’s a drunk passing out and hitting the deck) half-wit president that couldn’t put sentences together without a script. who began a war of choice to satisfy his business cronies.
Then we have President Obama, tasked with cleaning up the huge mess Bush created — which includes the incestuous relationship he engendered between oil companies and its regulators
He should receive the benefit of every doubt after drunk driving Bush nearly crashed our country into a wall. And, it wasn’t for wont of trying either.
That is Republican’s strategy, cripple and hamstring the government of the people while in office, making it easier to regain control because your replacement spends their term office repairing the mess they leave.
TRAITORS!
Still, opponents of the President, as bewhiskered Daily Show host Jon Stewart points out, are duty-bound to focus on this crap. Shame on the mainstream media for focusing on this remark, out of context, Breitbart-style.
TC… I don’t recall hearing you complain when sites like… oh… um… Mediaite… were hyping a Twitter typo by Sarah Palin. Let’s see if I understand this correctly… the President says something pretty stupid (and even you must admit, it was about the least eloquent, lest intelligent way to say what he wanted to say), and it’s wrong for people to talk about it. Palin makes a typo on Twitter… and that’s worthy of news stories, comments, and repeated insults.
See… when people say the left is full of hacks (or the right, doesn’t matter)… that’s what they’re talking about. This faux outrage that says, “We must protect one person, and attack the other, even if we’re hypocritically doing so.”
Give me a break.
I guess no one saw the Movie ” Stripes ” with Bill Murray. We Americans are All Mutts. That is the truth, deal with it morons. I love the Fake Outrage. Jon Stewart is so right. I will be so glad when Obama kicks your butts again in 2012.
Who…the hate and frothing at the mouth via Founders_were_Liberal is hysterical. He’s the same coin, just different side. To him all things left are awesome…and just dandy, while things on the right are from evil boob. LOL…come one people, please stop being simple partisan hacks. If you actually think these politicians have your best interest at heart, regardless of party, then I have a bridge I’d like to sell you.
Partisan hack fools on the left, Partisan hack fools on the right.
ImNotBlue you make a great point. Tommy is no different than media matters or newsbusters. He’s clearly very biased, as is Mediaite. But that is ok. As long as we know it, then we can read and laugh at all these partisans.
This is precisely where the media and government want us, fighting each-other. And many of you fall for it hook-line-and-sinker.
Thomas J – Libertarian says:
July 30, 2010 at 2:10 pm
This is precisely where the media and government want us, fighting each-other. And many of you fall for it hook-line-and-sinker.
Indeed. But to be honest… it’s getting pretty damn boring.
I always enjoy partisan discussions about ‘honesty’ that incorporate words like ‘any’ and ‘all’ and ‘always’. Absolutes are so easily disproved.
Am I lying when I say ‘Obama bowed to King Abdullah’?
Am I lying when I say that Michael Steele hurts the republican party?
Am I lying when I say Howard Dean makes shit up to suit his agenda?
Am I lying when I say ‘Bush is too fiscally liberal’ and I have been saying that since 2002?
Am I lying when I say the left did to Bush exactly what they accuse the right of doing to Obama?
Am I lying when I say that Bush won Florida fair and square, and therefore the 2000 election?
Am I lying when I say that the left repeats lies that they know full well are lies?
Am I lying when I say their lies encourage me to lie too?
If I lie about lying does that make me honest?
Have to love the trademarked T.C. hyperbolic interpretation of commentary from the right:
“Outrage . . . gone into a frenzy . . . a particularly tone-deaf outrage high . . . “
Nobody simply had a discussion, they were “Outraged”! What was being pointed out is the hypocritical interpretations of the language over the past years. The linguistic double-standard has been used to charge “racism” with any opposition to this administration’s policy.
It has been the fashion for eight years to call Bush a Fascist, but do such with Obama and it is racist. I still recall the glorious moment during the campaign, after Obama used “Community Orginizer” as a resume enhancement in dozens of speeches, when McCain referred to him as a community organizer and he was accused of playing the race-card because that was a code word for him to remind his voters that Obama was a black man. Yet when Harry Reid calls him light-skinned, with no negro dialect, he gets a pass.
It’s amazing to me that the left considers Bush an alltime worst president but continually use him as a comparison for Obama.The main group keeping this story alive is the left but then again anything to keep the race card going.I don’t know about the rest of you but this is getting lame.Notice almost half of Tommy’s articles play into race. Typical baiter!!!!
Unfortunately, someone else at this site got that story, so the world will never know what I thought of it. However, as I’ve pointed out before, I have consistently defended Palin against unfair attacks. For example:
http://dailydose.us/2009/06/08/sarah-palin-plagiarism-charge-is-a-massive-overreach/
It’s much easier to presume bias in someone with whom you disagree, rather than honestly evaluate what they say on the merits.
Another example of the total access of a dictionary and formal education in the backgrounds of Republiscum intellectual dwarves. Keep it coming!
Once again, the libs have no idea that people are making fun of the way they report stories. When they would attack any conservative that said the same thing.
People like Rush goad them into attacks by doing what they would do. He feigns outrage at a minor statement and left goes mad. He gets them everytime.
Libs have no idea what they do and how stupid they look while doing it.
Speaking of self-delusion….
I counted Tommy’s articles in the column section. ELEVEN HAVE TO DO WITH RACE .I understand the Sherrad issue was newsworthy but don’t you think this is a little excessive? With 2 wars, Arizona, ( OOPS, MORE RACE FOR YOU),unemployment, the oil spill, taxes and elections you could focus on what really matters.That’s what most people worry about. I see where Obama is going, the black vote, the hispanic vote, the woman vote(why do you think he went on The View?)Maybe it’ll work for him in the 2010 elections .but I’m betting we’re a lot smarter than he gives us credit for.
“It’s much easier to presume bias in someone with whom you disagree, rather than honestly evaluate what they say on the merits.”
Well, frankly, in your links and reference to a “racist criminal justice system” and by your use term “pedigree”, you’ve made some personal assumptions as to the president making ‘delicate’ inferences.
The president didn’t use the term “mongrel” as a reference to socioeconomic ‘class’ or the sort of social status that is influenced by the hardships of public prejudices, but as response to Walters’ challenge that he term himself “biracial” because that is what he indeed is.
This wasn’t a delicate way of referencing historic wrongs or grievances, but rather the fact that this great country IS a great melting pot, where all races and ethnic groups have co-mingled. There is no racial, ethnic, or tribal purity here.
When Whoopie asks the president, “Who are we”, he replies “We are Americans”.
Frankly, you’d well to listen to what the president TRULY said too, Tommy.
The criminal justice system is racist. Despite the fact that minorities use and sell drugs no more than whites, they represent the vast majority of drug arrests.
The President’s comment is not especially noteworthy. But if a Fox pundit had said the same thing, this would have been the lead story on every MSNBC broadcast for the next week.
The President can get away with saying this. And no big deal. Then again, if he had put it on a sign at a tea party….
Boo hoo. Need some cheese?
“minorities use and sell drugs no more than whites”
“no more than”….hmmm. Would you mind citing the source of this statement of fact?
FearMonger many people have written about disparities in the drug arrests of whites and minorities. It’s hardly a secret. There is also a new book about it (which I recently read).
Here’s a recent example just for you:
A look at booking stats for California’s 25 most-populated areas finds that in Los Angeles County African-Americans have a marijuana-possession arrest rate that’s 332 percent higher than that for whites.
The report, “Targeting Blacks For Marijuana,” was released this week and found that across those 25 largest counties the pot-holding arrest rate for blacks was often at least double that of whites despite evidence that indicates African-Americans use cannabis at a lower rate. In L.A. County the percentage was more than quadruple.
The Drug Policy Alliance, which conducted and released the report, is using it to lobby for the passage of Prop. 19, the November ballot initiative in California that would legalize the possession of up to one ounce of weed for those older than 21.
Tommy Christopher says:
July 30, 2010 at 2:39 pm
Unfortunately, someone else at this site got that story, so the world will never know what I thought of it.
Bull.
The comment section is open to all, and you (as a commentator) have pretty much free reign to write what you want. If you wanted to put up another story about it, I certainly doubt Colby would have objected.
Furthermore, just as you did here… you could have written something in the comment section. You’ve done it before, as well as virtually all the other writers on this site. If there’s something you want to say, say it… the comments are open to everyone.
It’s much easier to presume bias in someone with whom you disagree, rather than honestly evaluate what they say on the merits.
Again, bull.
If you wanted to say something, you would have. The fact is you find one more “outrageous” and worthy of comment than the other. Congrats… you wrote something about Palin a year ago, when someone was claiming “plagiarism,” that clearly wasn’t there. However, it’s not really the same thing, is it?
As I said before, Palin will get attacked for a typo… and the left will scream “idiot,” and mock her ceaselessly for months on end. However, Obama will say something undeniably stupid and poorly worded, and the left will scream that the right is making too much of a big deal about it. How can you not see the hypocrisy?
But back to the original point… your article doesn’t show a fair hand… not by a long shot. If you want to play that game, didn’t Hannity (in the article posted here on Mediaite) give credit to Obama for going on “The View.” I guess that means he’s playing things down the middle, and is just calling them like he sees them. By your example, I guess Hannity isn’t one of those “out there Republicans who only sees negativity when they look at Obama.” Right?
Come on, TC… who are you trying to fool?
Picking on someone for Twitter typos is really, really lame.
paul, could you point that out to Royal King?
I’ll try but make no promises.
paul, again, please provide the statistic. Apparently you have them right at your finger tips so… how ’bout some real numbers?
You can understand the broad range of interpretation of this statement, right?
“despite evidence that indicates African-Americans use cannabis at a lower rate”
I’m sure I don’t need to explain to you that statistics are easily manipulated. The very fact that AA’s are a ‘minority’ would imply that they use drugs ‘at a lower rate’, right?
If Limbaugh or someone on Fox had used the term “mongrel” to describe the President, they’d be projecting the word upon him, but he’s allowed to use it to describe himself. Based on the ease with which it came out and the other phrasing that he’s used in the past, I’d say that it’s part of his personal definition.
If I’m not mistaken, there have been some prominent entertainers of mixed European ancestry who have used the term in the past to describe themselves and if I may take it to another arena, keeping focus on self-definition but removing the flashpoint of race… the old Jeff Foxworthy routine was “you might be a redneck if…”. He didn’t go around calling others rednecks because then he’d be assigning the label and that would not be socially acceptable.
You clearly have your mind made up and will refute any evidence I provide you, including the aforementioned bit from California. What’s the point then? You don’t want to be informed. You only want to say I’m wrong. Open up that mind a little.
OK I will try once more.
“Although African Americans comprise only 12.2 percent of the population and 13 percent of drug users, they make up 38 percent of those arrested for drug offenses and 59 percent of those convicted of drug offenses.”
http://www.drugpolicy.org/communities/race/
paul, I’m not sure you want to go there talking about crime percentages per capita. I’ve seen the FBI and DOJ stats, and believe me, they aren’t pretty and won’t help your argument.
Considering the number of people currently in prison for drug-related offenses, and the Drug Policy statistics I shared above, we can go there. I am fine with my argument thank you.
Blacks are just 13 percent of the population but they commit more than half the muggings and murders in the country. Hispanics commit violent crimes at about three times the white rate.
Although Jesse Jackson and Bill Cosby wring their hands over black-on-black mayhem, blacks actually commit more violent crime against whites than blacks. A black is about 39 times more likely to do violence to a white than the other way around, and no less than 130 times more likely to rob a white.
Every year there are about 15,000 black-on-white rapes but fewer than 900 white-on-black rapes. There are more than 3,000 gang rapes of whites by blacks—but white-on-black gang rapes are so rare they do not even show up in the statistics.
@ImNotBlue: Because I feel the President (or anyone) is entitled to describe themselves however they see fit, I’m not going to agree with your original point, but I am going to agree with your third comment.
If the Mediaite writers would become more involved with the comment section, I don’t think it’d so often devolve into what I’ve termed an AOL chat and there would be considerably fewer offensive comments or tit for tat, inane insult slugfests. I think the whole discussion could become elevated and the site considerably more relevant because those of us, you included, who would like to discuss the issues at hand wouldn’t so often feel that they’re wasting their keystrokes on something that would largely go unread.
You changed the subject from the drug war and criminal justice system to violent crimes, but, ah, OK.
Geez dude….project much? ‘Open up that mind’? Really? I’m asking for some real numbers instead of broad generalizations and you say I ‘don’t want to be informed’? CLEARLY I do want to be informed or I would not have asked. I’m resisting the urge to call you a JERK for once again going to the extreme over a simple request for you to back up your own statement.
I want to understand the whole assertion that you made (the judicial system is racist) and if it’s true I will respond appropriately. Got it? So far your cherry picked stats don’t mean shit.
If you wouldn’t mind, por favor, I’d also like to know what constitutes ‘drug offenses’. Are we talking just simple posession? This previous comment makes me think we are but I am seeking clarity…
“The Drug Policy Alliance, which conducted and released the report, is using it to lobby for the passage of Prop. 19, the November ballot initiative in California that would legalize the possession of up to one ounce of weed for those older than 21.”
btw… if The Drug Policy Alliance ‘conducted and released the report’ that supports the position they lobby for perhaps it should be taken with a grain of salt? Perhaps?
Sometimes bias enters into these things, you know.
The context in which the POTUS used the term fits within the definition.
And just when did you start caring about how African-Americans define themselves racially?
It is because you’d feel more comfortable defining them yourselves? Like you’ve did for the last 400 years?
Are you upset that African Americans are coming into their own and after spending centuries building this country as slaves and are taking a part in defining it moving forward?
Me thinks that’s the real issue…feeling a little left out of the conversation are you…cause nobody cares about your foolishness, because we “the younger generation” are moving past it. We’re not clinging on to your history of hatred and racial bigotry. We can’t wait till the day all you dinosaurs become EXTINCT!
We will dance on your graves, people of all colors and racial backgrounds, we will intermingle and choose who we love based on who they are and not the color of their skin. We will breed freely amongst the races and we will all cherish in our mongrelness.
How you like them apples?
Came across some older stats, paul. There so much out there about black on white crime (if you care to look) that citing it all would be exhausting. Just one more:
In 1989, the FBI reported the following:
A) Blacks commit 8 times more assaults than Whites. B) Blacks commit 9 times more rapes than Whites. C) Blacks commit 14 times more murders than Whites. D) Blacks commit 19 times more armed robberies. E) Black neighborhoods are 35 times more violent than White neighborhoods. F) There were 629,000 interracial attacks committed in 1985. Some nine out of every ten were committed by Blacks against Whites. G. Black males (6% of the population) make up 46% of the nation’s prison population.
“Black males (6% of the population) make up 46% of the nation’s prison population.?
Why is that? Drug arrests.
Excuse me but I listened to the View yesterday and I just listened to the above. Would someone please tell me where the word “Mongrel” came from? I didn’t hear Obama using the word Mongrel,,,I thought his explanation was excellent….He was logical and said nothing UNKIND!!
So paul, you choose to ignore all those stats about violent crime? When the media keeps spinning the line that blacks are always innocent victims of the oppressive white man, and fail to mention all the rest that’s going on every day, that doesn’t bother you? Not even a little?
“When the media keeps spinning the line that blacks are always innocent victims of the oppressive white man, and fail to mention all the rest that’s going on every day, that doesn’t bother you?”
Please provide examples of this.
Sure, paul. One good example would be when Al Sharpton intervened in the Freddy’s Fashion Mart case. You can google it. Al incited racial hatred that ended up getting people killed, and the media down-played it. Of course Al later claimed that he didn’t incite anything. Or look up the Tawana Brawley case, where Al did his thing again. As for crime stats, they’re all out there if you care to look them up. One more example. When white racists dragged a black man behind their car and killed him, there was quite a bit of media coverage. Now try to find coverage of the torture and murder of Channen Christian and her boyfriend by a black gang. You’ll need a microscope to find it, but the info is out there. It happened in Knoxville, TN.
Wow. No hatred there! Great job! You managed to contradict yourself in the very next sentence! Congratulations!
Dance away! How ’bout them apples?
I ask again…por favor….what (exactly) encompasses ‘drug arrests’?
It all depends on the color of those apples.
OK libs- you have convinced me- AAs are mongrels.
I never thought so, but your defending Barry’s comments has changed my mind.
I believe the left brings up drug arrests to divert attention away from the violent crimes category, which blacks commit in numbers WAY WAY beyond their numbers in the population. But that’s America’s best kept secret, and the left wing media intends to keep it that way.
Ah yes… and there’s the rub. That dang ol’ “per capita” qualifier really throws a monkey wrench in many-an-argument, doesn’t it?
I’m afraid pauls mind is already made up (which is, ironically, what he accused me of) but he stated clearly that he is fine with his argument. So far there seems to be a lot of conjecture about all these white folk who smoke a lot of pot but rarely get busted. Maybe they only smoke in their own homes? Maybe they never carry pot outside? Maybe they are less likely to become a dealer? Inquiring minds wanna know these things.
The automatic assumption that the police seek to arrest pot smokers based on race deserves scrutiny. If that is the basis for the claim that ‘the judicial system is racist’ then there are lots of pertinent questions that need to be asked and answered. Seriously.
I’ve been a stickler about the DOJ voter intimidation case dismissal because I believe strongly in race-neutral law enforcement. Justice should be blind. Period.
If it’s true that the sole factor of skin color causes unfair treatment I want to know about it, but I want to know the truth. Not some twisted version crafted to suit an agenda.
If we’re going to have a REAL discussion of these things we have to look at them objectively…. and that means asking ALL the pertinent questions.
Just a guess, but I wouldn’t be surprised if some of those violent crimes are included under the category of ‘drug arrests’. Same goes for ‘theft’ and ‘burglary’. I’m sure paul will let us know shortly.
“We will dance on your graves, people of all colors and racial backgrounds, we will intermingle and choose who we love based on who they are and not the color of their skin. We will breed freely amongst the races and we will all cherish in our mongrelness.
How you like them apples?”
What do you mean “we will”?
We’ve been doing that in this terrific giant melting pot of a country for some two hundred years, and I like them apples just fine.
Celebrating the extinction of hateful groups is not hatred, albeit a point of contention for those who are afraid of the changing demographics in this country.
The difference is we will be celebrating the end of the hatred and bigotry that has kept us divided for so long and is still being pushed by the propagandists who are such media darlings these days (hate sells and people have never stopped buying).
We will be celebrating the day when the dinosaurs who relish in creating division and discrimination all start to die off.
I hope you can understand the subtle distinction between the two. One party is hopeful and willing to share the sacrifices and rewards. The other hateful, greedy and will do anything they can to avoid sharing any of the burden (although they want all of the rewards).
Blacks are incarcerated at higher rates because they commit crime at higher rates. As for non-violent drug offenses, I think far too many people are in jail who can be dealt with less severely and expensively. But don’t forget, the disparate sentencing guidelines were put in place at the behest of black lawmakers who saw how the crack epidemic and associated violence was ravaging black urban communities across the country. If more blacks than whites are committing crimes out in the open in the streets and shooting each other in the process, it’s kind of hard to make the case that to even things up, police should despite limited resources make a greater effort to arrest white people smoking weed (or doing lines) in the privacy of their own homes.
I’d have to look it up, but I believe that after 1989 the FBI started including Hispanics in the ‘white’ category. The black stats were getting so embarrassing, something had to be done to balance things out.
Are you aware of the interracial rape statistics? The media and academia won’t go near this subject.
HAHAHA!! Touche Cecelia!
..and they have started to die off. I believe we will be a much closer knit society within 2 generations. I’ll be a happy old man for sure!
That’s absolutely right. But ONLY as perpetrators of crime. When tallying hate crime stats, for example, hispanics would be counted as victims only. As perps they were counted as white. Do the math on the numbers. That’s a fact.
Celebrating the extinction of hateful groups is not hatred
Spoken like a true anti-semite or KKK or NBPP member.
Once again, KUDOS SPINECRUSHER!!
The FBI keeps very detailed national records on crime. Dr. William Wilbanks, a criminologist at Florida International University, studied the data to find that in 1988 there were 9,406 cases of black-on-white rape and fewer than ten cases of white-on-black rape. Another researcher concludes that in 1989, blacks were three or four times more likely to commit rape than whites, and that black men raped white women thirty times as often as white men raped black women.
As I said, after ‘89 the numbers get skewed somewhat because they were becoming too politically incorrect.
(2007) “The custody incarceration rate for black males was 4,618 per 100,000. Hispanic males were incarcerated at a rate of 1,747 per 100,000. Compared to the estimated numbers of black, white, and Hispanic males in the U.S. resident population, black males (6 times) and Hispanic males (a little more than 2 times) were more likely to be held in custody than white males. At midyear 2007 the estimated incarceration rate of white males was 773 per 100,000.
“Across all age categories, black males were incarcerated at higher rates than white or Hispanic males. Black males ages 30 to 34 had the highest custody incarceration rate of any race, age, or gender group at midyear 2007.”
Source:
Sabol, William J., PhD, and Couture, Heather, Bureau of Justice Statistics, Prison Inmates at Midyear 2007 (Washington, DC: US Department of Justice, June 2008), NCJ221944, p. 7.
http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/pdf/pim07.pdf
“We will be celebrating the day when the dinosaurs who relish in creating division and discrimination all start to die off.”
Good luck with that…
Once everyone becomes fair skinned or we all have olive skin, then you’ll have people making distinctions based upon fair skin with pink undertones vs blue, or olive skin with golden tones vs brown.
The president made the obvious point that we all have a “reptilian” part of our brains. The key to countering racial divisiveness isn’t found in interbreeding. It’s found in making an honest and ongoing inventory of one’s own heart, rather than a constant finger-pointing at another.
Speaking of “the dinosaurs who relish in creating division and discrimination “…didn’t Rev. Al say we couldn’t counter racial divisiveness without ‘reparations’. I’m not sure if I heard that right….
I can sure feel the love in this statement tho….
“One party is hopeful and willing to share the sacrifices and rewards. The other hateful, greedy and will do anything they can to avoid sharing any of the burden (although they want all of the rewards).”
You realize you are talking about tens of millions of people, right SPINECRUSHER? That’s a mighty big hate-brush you paint with.
We live in a post-truth political world, and it’s clear from the reactions on these comments from the left and the right. One reality; two views. Actually, that’s an over-simplification as there are four truths about every event.
I think it’s great the the story author jumps in and makes clarifications: hats off to Christopher for interjecting when someone was making a false accusation at him!
Mediaite is one of the last bastions of anarchical, free-for-all commenting online, and one hopes that it stays this way. I just noticed that AOL has finally opened up their story boards for comments after a long time revamping their comment section. Now, Big Daddy AOL is moderating and distilling the discourse. Just as I suspected when they suspended it, now it sucks big time.
So hats off to Mediaite. The openness of debate and discussions here, name calling and all, reveals people true colors and portrays to the independent seekers of truth just how far off the wall some people are.
Obama brings all this on himself. He hasn’t done anything to create jobs(besides spend our tax dollars and those of future generations on B.S. jobs (census, etc.,) He is crushing the economic free enterprise system and the private sector all in the name of the state. comadant obama spends his time lecturing and degrading those who disagree with him. When he is not doing that he is off taking vacations or going on prime time television(just politics) how can he sue Arizona when he refuses to enforce the federal law(again, just politics got to get that Hispanic vote) Racism has never been worse since obama took office. obama is the worst president since jimmy carter
“So hats off to Mediaite. The openness of debate and discussions here, name calling and all, reveals people true colors and portrays to the independent seekers of truth just how far off the wall some people are.”
They need to work on their headlines. The headlines invariably put a leftward spin on a story in the way that Tommy Christopher inculcated his own contentions into the president’s words.
Should we say that the Mediaite headlines are Christophered?…
I do have a big brush…don’t be jealous, but it’s not for painting hate (is that possible?).
and sorry, Cecelia doesn’t own the market on opinions. I respect the voice, but I haven’t heard anything that would designate them as an expert on the subject. No offense please, just as GlennBeckReview said…this is open debate and discussion.
I do believe that the more we become mongrels the better off society will be, and I’m speaking from experience…a posteriori
Would others care to share their experience which lead them to believe that multiracialism has worked against equality and caused them to believe that races should not mix?
and FearMonger…nobody is here to love you…you’ve got the wrong website..sorry dude
“Would others care to share their experience which lead them to believe that multiracialism has worked against equality and caused them to believe that races should not mix?”
I’ve read all the post and didn’t see anyone voicing such a sentiment. On the other hand, you want an entire segment of the population to die.
The only person here who voiced a desire for less diversity was you.
You can always tell a Tommy Christopher headline as it reads like a Daily Kos blog title. And yes, INB, Tommy is a hyper-partisan. Everyone knows it. It doesn’t matter how much he bangs his head against the wall screaming “I’m not Keith Olbermann”. He is the Keith Olbermann of Mediaite. Basically, a punch line.
One other thing. You know why there will never be serious discussions on race even though the left continually says there needs to be? The race-baiting bomb-throwers like Tommy Christopher & Keith Olbermann are more interested in calling people racists than honestly talking about race.
you can’t stop death Cecelia….it’s coming, for me too. That was a question, this is a running commentary and was based off your comment “The key to countering racial divisiveness isn’t found in interbreeding. It’s found in making an honest and ongoing inventory of one’s own heart”
HAHAHAHAHA!!! I voiced a desire for less diversity, you nut-jobs really crack me up!! HAHAHAHAHA!!!
spin away, zoom-zoom-zooooooooooooooom
just because you don’t want honesty in the conversation doesn’t mean others don’t have a desire for it
Right wingers are outraged because they think with their racist, fearful reptilian brains! I gave up trying to reason with them a long time ago.
And Lonestar if you cant see the obvious racism in the attacks on Obama… he is foreign born, he is a secret Muslim, he hates white culture, his middle name is Hussein, he favors blacks, his parents never gave him a chance to understand American principles, he wants to destroy the country, we need to “take back our country”.. all of which have been widely said,..,then you ought to ask yourself why it is every hateful thing about Obama is widely accepted by the right wing.
How do you explain the depth of the hate right wingers feel? And their willingness to lie and use the most vicious names and hateful comparisons. Hitler, Stalin, Pol Pot all over a damned health care bill. Do you really think there are death panels in that bill? Why are such charges so easily spread?
My brother in law called him a N** and my niece said he was “beige butt” but both deny being racist.
Yes we can disagree with policy but there is something far deeper and deeply emotional going on and I can only think its fear of change and nothing represents change more than a black President.
So anyone on the right is deemed a racist by implication, even though the left plays the race-card by rote, and often without evidence. The slant is right there is the headline: Right Wing Media Goes Nuts, but there are no quotes to even support this accusation, simply links where the subject was discussed. It does not matter, with the left the accusation is reason enough to convict.
Tommy Christopher: you grew up with working-class white people? How big of you to say that. Thanks for reminding us that the story is really about you
Magister says:
July 30, 2010 at 4:31 pm
@ImNotBlue: Because I feel the President (or anyone) is entitled to describe themselves however they see fit, I’m not going to agree with your original point, but I am going to agree with your third comment.
He can describe himself however he wants… but he described a whole group of people. It doesn’t matter that he’s a member (half member) of those people. There are things you say in public, and things you don’t. I’m Jewish, and while may joke with friends about my clipping coupons… I’m not going to start saying that kind of stuff in public, it’s not funny and I’m going to offend more than just myself.
But either way, what was saying, was inartful (unartful?) at the very least. His point could have been made in a less aggressive way, which wouldn’t have offended (or potentially offended) anyone.
As to board moderation… I agree 100%. Although, I sometimes fear that they already do this, but under other S/N, which allows them to be loony like the rest of us. Anyway… things are starting to get really boring around here, wouldn’t you agree? Every day it feels like the same arguments over and over again. Starting to get really tiresome.
As to board moderation… I agree 100%.
You would. It works so well at the Koldys Phox Phan Klub. A mere handful of posters saying the most predictable things. Blackthong bleating, moaning an whining about New Hounds. Mindless, teenage girl-like rock star screams and hyrations, but involving the most mundane of Phox personalities. Simulating, indeed.
A HALF-TRUTH IS A WHOLE LIE.
AT FOX, WE NEVER DO ANYTHING HALF WAY.
I’ve never been convinced we are a melting pot. I think we’re more a rich stew with a thick, binding base. We keep much of the substance of our diverse origins. It is a most satisfying meal.
A HALF-TRUTH IS A WHOLE LIE.
AT FOX, WE NEVER DO ANYTHING HALF WAY.
The edited version of his appearance on The View can be seen at Breitbart’s newest site, BigMistake.com
and FearMonger…nobody is here to love you…you’ve got the wrong website..sorry dude
No idea what this refers to SPINECRUSHER but…. by all means keep up the hate for millons of your fellow Americans. It must keep you warm at night.
Vietnameravet says:
July 30, 2010 at 7:42 pm
Get over it. People are going to attack the President no matter who he is. People on the left said Bush was behind 9/11, said he should have been aborted, said he was a victim of fetal alcohol syndrome, made fun of his Texas roots, made fun of his Texas accent, made fun of his cowboy boots. The left has a hatred for all things southern. The left is bigoted towards middle america and the southern states. The left thinks they are better, smarter, etc. The left is the most hateful, bigoted group in this country. Stop whining about “racism”. It’s old, it’s tired and every time people on the left throw it out there, they lose another vote.
@ImNotBlue: As for the “mongrel”, I just think the President used it intellectually and he has more leeway with descriptive terms for himself or the group with which he identifies because it’s all part of his self-discovery and self-identification. If someone were to have projected it onto him, it’d have a different meaning. Perhaps there may be some wiggle room for the adjective to be used in analysis by someone from outside the group, but there wouldn’t be a lot of buffer.
For example, I’m southern born. In coming to terms with myself, I’ve had to examine my upbringing, roots and traditions. I’ve also had no problem taking a class in southern culture, but when my mother-in-law cracks wise about my native region, I have sometimes have offense. I’m not Jewish, therefore I’m somewhat limited in what I can say, but I have laughed at the jokes of Jon Stewart, Jackie Mason and the “Rhoda Morganstern” character, so that’s my “wiggle room”.
(There was a post somewhere back in the Mediaite archives that dealt with this same issue — the ability of one who belongs to a group to speak differently than those out — but I can’t find it with a quick search)
Otherwise, though I think better moderation would be quite welcome, when I mentioned better participation, I meant to elevate the discussion and to better flesh out the ideas. I think that if more commenters were to stay near the original subject and if our analysis of the analysis was being heard, there’d be a lot less tolerance for these endless exchanges of memes and insults, which would better the blog.
PS – @INB: I’ve only identified one potential staff sock puppet, but I’m not sure they’re a writer.
“You would. It works so well at the Koldys Phox Phan Klub. A mere handful of posters saying the most predictable things. Blackthong bleating, moaning an whining about New Hounds. Mindless, teenage girl-like rock star screams and hyrations, but involving the most mundane of Phox personalities. Simulating, indeed.”
Truth in advertising: TRRK is speaking of the site Johnny Dollar’s Place. He’s been banned there until he apologizes for a lie he told, otherwise His Nibs would be opining there now.
He can’t and it just kills him.
writer–don’t know if you’re still on here but this had me ROTFL, to get all teenager about it. “try the veal.” you’re killing!
That Mr. -0bama has more than once “confessed” his mongrelhood (he made the same remark when he debuted the new White House pooch, and I believe from the remarks he made about his honkey grandmother that he’s ashamed of his “white” hafl), has me convinced he’s OK with being called such. Further, that Webster’s New Riverside Dictionary defines mongrel as “a dog that results from interbreeding,” I shall unabashedly henceforth refer to Mr. -0bama as a son of a bitch.
Need facts not baseless claims.
some of the things i read on here i can’t believe
The Real Royal King says:
July 30, 2010 at 8:33 pm
It works so well at the Koldys Phox Phan Klub.
Obsesssssssssion.
Magister says:
July 30, 2010 at 9:51 pm
Again, I’ll agree that a member of the group can say something that an outsider can’t… but that said, I still think what he said falls under the “unprofessional” header. It just wasn’t the best way he could have said what he wanted to say.
Magister says:
July 30, 2010 at 10:00 pm
PS – @INB: I’ve only identified one potential staff sock puppet, but I’m not sure they’re a writer.
Oh?! Whom? Do tell!
I couldn’t agree with you more, although there’s little chicken-or-egg going on here. The preponderance of commenters who insult the writers here make a difficult case for them to spend their free time absorbing abuse.
When I was with Politics Daily, I used to spend hours a week conversing with commenters, but the trolls always take over, eventually.
You’ve been consistently productive and tenacious, but I’ve noticed a lot of good commenters staying away because of the decline in civility.
I wrote a column a few months ago suggesting a Twitter-only comments section, with moderation centered on follower/tweet count, as well as the usual. Twitter is very self-policing, since no one wants to destroy a Twitter identity that has lots of followers, but it still allows anonymity.
I was exercising hyperbole there. But for a story as slight as “refudiate,” no, we didn’t need a second story. I did, in fact, tweet about it, pointing out that it was not a typo at all. The f and p keys are nowhere near each other. She went on to say “refute” when she meant to say “refudiate.”
Personally, I thought it was worth a chuckle, not much more. Ditto her followup “Shakespeare” tweet, which is what I think really gave it legs. Again, I think everyone missed her point deliberately. She wasn’t comparing herself to Shakespeare, she was making a deliberately absurd, self-deprecating jab. I’ve done the same joke myself.
On the other hand, Palin has designed her media strategy so that attention to her Twitter and Facebook accounts is intense. She benefits greatly from this, but not in this case.
And I gave you that one link as an example of many, so when you say “Congrats… you wrote something about Palin a year ago,” that’s an example of the kind of bad faith that keeps writers from wasting their time conversing in this section. If facts don’t matter, and nothing we say is going to matter, why would we bother, especially when we could spend the time writing something we’d get paid for?
2 things. Most of my headlines end up getting changed by the editors, as this one was, so it was, in fact, de-Christophered.
Second, I didn’t “inculcate” anything. This is clearly a commentary piece, it hasn’t been presented otherwise.
See, this is another example. This kind of comment is not intended to start a conversation, but to end it before it begins, and it is factually bereft.
You’re wrong, EVERYTHING is about me. Just ask my editors.
Michelle, I assume you mean if Beck or Limbaugh had said the same about white people, since that’s the premise of my article? Yes, I would feel exactly the same if they had said this about white Americans. If you can’t understand the insider/outsider argument, try this: go up to a couple at a bar, and call the man whatever pet name you call your own partner, and see what happens.
Good on You Tom!!!!!!
Great stuff!!! II came to this thread with a certain dregree of fear but you case continues to make itself-these people are outraged out the sunrise if Obama comments on how beautiful it is!!!
JUST TOO FUNNY!
CHEERS
Cecelia, I’m glad we agree. I didn’t say his use of the word “mongrel” was a reference to historic wrongs. This was:
Here we go again, WRITER, I agree with all of your comments, perhaps that is why white people, especially women, are wary of walking through a black neighborhood.; however, if the whites are so racist , how die Obama become President. I’ll tell you why, because he used your own statistics (the crime rate in black areas) to note that the first thing he would do would be to “clean up crime amongst the YOUNG people” & that churches should also get involved..(not his church I’m sure) Look, I worked in an office in the early 60’s & a pleasant older black woman asked me how I felt about “colored” people, I don’t know why since I was always friendly with everyone; however, I was your typical tall blond haired whitey that some of the black men seemed to admire, I didn’t encourage it but I was always courteous, especially since we all worked in the same office. This woman asked me if I would ever date a black man, etc. I was a little surprised & politely answered “No”. She then attempted to brainwash me into thinking that, now these were her very words. “if we all get together, marry & have children, in time the black race will be gone & we will have a lovely GOLDEN race & then we can all live as one” When she saw the look on my face as I walked away, I knew she would never talk to me again & she never did. It is the blacks who are having problems “being black”. They seem to think that we think of them as “lesser” & especially in these times, it simply is not true. If whites feel they want to continue their own race, that is their naturally born right. Just as the chinese want to maintain their own race, their are other races that want the same. I don’t care how many movies are made about white girls falling in love with men, other than their own race, it does not happen in real life. I do believe that many black women are angry at the white women since their men seem to prefer white women and…I blame the white women for this. I can truly understand how a black woman must feel when a white woman is preferred over a black. If their own race is doing this, how must we feel..whites prefer being white & that is only natural and, if I am hurting anyone I am sorry but we have no problem with any other race, it is only the blacks that constantly hammer us with racist insults & exaggerations over remarks made. Of course whites will resent blacks for this constant bickering. Just leave us alone. We all have good employment, actually blacks have the best jobs in the government, in the schools, etc. What else do they want? Now that they have a black President it seems to have made matters worse, there is more of a racial divide than ever. There is cheap housing out there that young people can afford but, due to the violent crime, yes..by blacks, a white or even black person would avoid buying such a house and..this has impacted on our economy. I lived in a row home years ago, we were almost door to door, rows after rows of houses….NO CRIME!! Your statistics were right on WRITER & I admire you for commenting on it. If the blacks can decrease their crime rate, through their MANY churches that, are not arguing about the RIGHTS of blacks but of the RIGHTS of everyone to live in peace & security, without fear, without hate, with acceptance that God made you black and God made us WHITE, then, & only then, can we all live in peace, without racism!! God Bless America! Helen Nordo
Tommy Christopher says:
July 31, 2010 at 1:38 pm (Quote)
Mediaite Staff
“See, this is another example. This kind of comment is not intended to start a conversation, but to end it before it begins, and it is factually bereft.”
Well, if anyone would know about a comment not intended to start a conversation it would be a race-baiting bomb-thrower like yourself. Since you didn’t rebut my point, I’ll assume that you can’t. Everybody knows that the left isn’t interested in a discussion on race. What would you do with your time if you couldn’t go around calling everyone who disagrees with you a racist? That’s all people like you & Olbermann know. Like I said, race-baiting bomb throwers. Your idea of a discussion on race is everyone to the right of Nancy Pelosi saying “I’m a racist and I’d like to donate everything I own to the NAACP”.
“some in the right-wing media have embarked on a particularly tone-deaf outrage high.”
It’s worse than that. They seem to take every available opportunity to pervert and distort anything and everything this president says or does into something evil, scary, racist, socialist, marxist, communist or even philatelist!
The lefties had no need to distort Dumbya’s words; he conveniently distorted his OWN words.
Our erudite, well-spoken current president presents a challenge to the neocon-nutcase extreme. They have to create ever-bigger and more outrageous lies to counter Obama’s intellect and straightforwardness. As a result, the truth suffers – as do we all, ultimately.
Palin didn’t get ridiculed for making a Twitter goof, she was ridiculed for trying to DENY and DISGUISE her goof.
If I understand the matter correctly, she used the made-up word “refudiate” in a Twitter post. Upon learning of her error, she could have simply called it a typo and sent a corrected version. Instead, she retracted her post in an attempt to conceal her error – which needlessly drew attention to both her effort AND her error. She THEN tried to deflect attention by saying that Shakespeare invented words, too.
Thus was born the Bard of Wasilla.
Palin has no one to blame but herself for the ignominy she now suffers.
jrcmi says:
“Our erudite, well-spoken current president presents a challenge…”
Hah! Good one. Maybe he’s so smart because he was educated in all “57 states”? Here’s hoping that after his term is over he can serve as a “Corpse-man” (twice). Afterall, he’s written a couple books and “I mean, I do think at a certain point you’ve made enough money.” Of course, when he says something dumb he can just blame the white words on the teleprompter for “acting stupidly”. If he gets bored, he could always take a course on speaking “Austrian”. Looking forward to next memorial day maybe he’ll say (again), “as our nation honors its unbroken line of fallen heroes — and I see many of them in the audience here today — our sense of patriotism is particularly strong.” Those must be the “corpse-men” he keeps talking about. I could go on forever, but you get the point. Maybe, he should just resign already and focus his attention on bowling. I mean, did you seen that spectacle? “It was like Special Olympics, or something.”
Yep, dude’s a real genius. I know, I know, you can’t see he’s an idiot because that would be racist. So, I’ll just say, without a teleprompter that spells it’s words phonetically, he can come across as quite the dumbass.
You made no point to rebut. All you did was call me names, without anything to support what you’re saying. Provide examples of race-baiting, and explain why they’re race-baiting (and not legitimate points about race), and you’ve got a conversation.
Which right-wing site are you parroting your talking points from?
Obama should resign because he’s a bad bowler? Are you out of your mind?
I seem to recall Bush falling off a Segway, which isn’t easy to do. Did you campaign for HIS resignation?
Okay, that wasn’t a fair comparison to the kegling Obama . . . who was SOBER. Ahem.
You criticize Obama for believing he has done well financially, as if there’s something wrong with him feeling he’s accomplished that goal. Greed is good – whether you like it or not? He should keep on money-grubbing? All of Darth Cheney’s ill-gotten graft will do him scant good when he’s six-feet-under . . . and answering to his Maker for how he obtained all that wealth.
Some people can look beyond the immediate, material world. You, apparently, are not among them.
I wouldn’t be too quick to compare verbal gaffes between Obama and Bush, fella. Obama pales in comparison to his foot-in-mouth-diseased predecessor. A friend had a desk calendar that featured a daily “Bushism” on each page. Well over 300 of them – and it barely encompassed the first two years or so of his presiduncy.
Let’s shove a mic under YOUR big mouth 24/7 and listen to what comes out.
Obama “keeps talking” about corpse-men . . . NOT. You exaggerate due to your desperate need to find something – anything – to hang on him. You have thus joined your equally desperate fellow “neocon men.”
“White words”? Congratulations for working your racism into your jumbled mix. Unlike Bush, Obama WRITES the “white words” that appear on his ‘prompter . . . and not on his hand.
You had to go back years to find an Obama misstatement; Bush makes ‘em in his sleep.
You completely fail to mention the Babbling Bard of Wasilla. I don’t blame you.
Most folks would forgive a Bush or Palin an occasional faux pas. The problem is they KEEP tripping over their own tongues while trying to present an image of infallibility, thus encouraging the ridicule they receive.
Obama seeks to make amends when he errs. The cop in the Gates matter got a personal visit with the prez and seemed pleased at the outcome.
TC: Don’t waste your time on deafstar77, ImNotTrue and some others here. Rationality keeps a wide berth from these guys. If INT doesn’t like the words coming out of your mouth he’s more than happy to put other words in there that he’d much rather hear. Deefstar is so intellectually shallow he equates name-calling with thoughtful discussion – while obliviously telling us what “everybody” knows.
The right’s reliance on intellectual flyweights like Palin and John “Boner” will be their ultimate downfall – unless they manage to destroy the country first, of course.
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