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Sen. Jim DeMint: Obama Tried To ‘Burn Up The Clock’ To Create Debt Ceiling ‘Crisis’

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Republican Senator Jim DeMint appeared on Morning Joe and stated his uncomplicated view on the budget debate: “we need to stop spending more than we’re bringing in.” Yet Mika Brzezinski and Mike Barnicle questioned why Republicans were not more willing to negotiate or even “haggle” with Democrats about some potential revenue increases.

DeMint said Republicans weren’t going to ignore their pledge to the country to put a cap on spending, and suggested the false urgency of this budget crisis will not make them do it either:

“I know how things work and the President put [Vice President Joe] Biden in charge of a task force just to burn up the clock because they believe it’s all about creating a crisis and then we have to do something urgently, and we won’t do what needs to be done.”

Instead, DeMint reiterates the belief that many Republicans are now beginning to explain that if the debt ceiling isn’t raised, debts of the country will still be paid, but the only result will be deciding which government programs must be cut. And DeMint admits the Tea Party has had a beneficial impact on the Republican party, but they will not “put up with wobbly knees again here in Washington.” Although given that according to DeMint, the “Democrats are now to the left of Europe,” it seems that even if the Tea Party isn’t satisfied with Republicans in the end, where else could they realistically turn?

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  • http://www.zazzle.com/talkingpoints NORBIT Jr.

    DeMint is, as they say, spot-on.

    Everything Obama does is politics.
    After being branded a Socialist, Marxist, Communist and terrorist, it turns out that the President, at heart, is just another power-hungry, influence-peddling, community-organizing, Chicago politician!

  • Davo

    Even an honest Democrat could do a better job of dealing with America’s problems if they spent less time golfing, vacationing, and trying to make every move a political one. Hussein the Terrible is a complete failure, proving the theories of Communism and Keynesian economics sheer lunacy.

  • Colorado_Conservative

    We don’t have a Tax revenue problem…we have an over bloated Government spending problem with liberal socialists bent on destroying this country at the helm!!

  • Tedderman

    DeMint goes on to explain that he’s recently been declared “mentally insane!”

  • mugatu

    Who cares what Jim says, he has been trying to make himself a kingmaker and taking credit as the leader of the Tea Party.

    Oh, but, my favorite, I love these, always gives me a laugh. Great work on being a parrot, you forgot the Marxist word also. Don’t worry you will get it next time like the other sheeple:

    Colorado_Conservative said:
    We don’t have a Tax revenue problem…we have an over bloated Government spending problem with liberal socialists bent on destroying this country at the helm!!

  • mugatu

    Davo said:
    Even an honest Democrat could do a better job of dealing with America’s problems if they spent less time golfing, vacationing, and trying to make every move a political one. Hussein the Terrible is a complete failure, proving the theories of Communism and Keynesian economics sheer lunacy.

    Do you also have an issue with boehner literally taking 1 day off for every 3 working to golf? Did you protest when the GOBP took over the house and one of their first rules was to get 1 week vacation for every 2 weeks of work?

    Probably not but, good for you, you were able to get the communism Keynesian comments in, I seriously doubt you even know what those theories are but, fun to read.

    Were the other 9 year olds with the “Hussein the Terrible” line?

  • thinkerray

    The greedy, out-of-control, spend-aholics refuse to admit they are addicted to overspending. The addict is out to get his next fix; the Democrats want to tax the millionaires so they can keep on spending without any repercussions. One problem with taxing the millionaires is simple business fact. Tax the owner and business and they automatically have to jack the price of the product up which means the poor and middle class pay the new tax for the millionaire and the standard of living declines for the poor and middle class while the standard of living for the millionaire stays the same of increases. That is simply how business is run! So every time the dingbat, dimwits called Democrats shout to tax the businesses or millionaires (it could be any dollar level with them) – it really means they are trying to find another back door way to shaft “we the people.” I am taxed enough already and they need to cut back the spending by TRILLIONS of dollars and balance the budget. Continuing with the Demo”rats” greedy mentality is “mentally insane and fiscally irresponsible.

  • 2012freedom

    We don’t have a revenue problem we have a huge spending problem. We keep giving the government more and more money and they keep raising the spending levels higher each year. They will never stop unless the money dries up and they have no other choice. If they were committed to reducing spending we wouldn’t be $14 trillion in debt. All of them talk a good game but actions speak much louder than words. Giving them more revenue is like giving an addict more crack to cure them.

  • Azarkhan

    What better way to spend a slow summer afternoon than on a White House campaign gimmick aimed at pandering to young voters? Livestreaming at 2 p.m. ET, it’s the Twitter Town Hall, where the questions are limited to 140 characters but the answers will go on — and on, and on — for as long as The One’s train of thought can carry him.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2011/07/06/open-thread-president-to-solve-nations-problems-in-140-characters-or-less/

  • Greg

    For my money, the Brooks column sums things up nicely.

    “The members of this movement have no economic theory worthy of the name. Economists have identified many factors that contribute to economic growth, ranging from the productivity of the work force to the share of private savings that is available for private investment. Tax levels matter, but they are far from the only or even the most important factor.

    But to members of this movement, tax levels are everything. Members of this tendency have taken a small piece of economic policy and turned it into a sacred fixation. They are willing to cut education and research to preserve tax expenditures. Manufacturing employment is cratering even as output rises, but members of this movement somehow believe such problems can be addressed so long as they continue to worship their idol.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/05/opinion/05brooks.html?_r=2&ref=davidbrooks

    The fringe is being cast out from the thinking middle… the right’s split may never meet full remedy.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ed-Durffee/1311278663 Ed Durffee

    2012freedom said:
    We don’t have a revenue problem we have a huge spending problem. We keep giving the government more and more money and they keep raising the spending levels higher each year. They will never stop unless the money dries up and they have no other choice. If they were committed to reducing spending we wouldn’t be $14 trillion in debt. All of them talk a good game but actions speak much louder than words. Giving them more revenue is like giving an addict more crack to cure them.

    someone recently said: Republicans are for Rich People, Democrats are for Poor People. To get more votes they both need to create more of those you are for. I believe what he said is that Democrats must keep you poor because you will then vote for Democrats who tell you they will take care of all your needs, which they cant do. but good luck with all that. Why not vote in Republicans who feel its everyones right to make money, have jobs and become productive citizens and enjoy life. It is also said that only the lazy, those who dont care about education or getting ahead, embrace welfare, so be it. There will always be a liberal who will toss you a crumb now and again.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Ed-Durffee/1311278663 Ed Durffee

    Ed Durffee said:
    someone recently said: Republicans are for Rich People, Democrats are for Poor People. To get more votes they both need to create more of those you are for. I believe what he said is that Democrats must keep you poor because you will then vote for Democrats who tell you they will take care of all your needs, which they cant do. but good luck with all that. Why not vote in Republicans who feel its everyones right to make money, have jobs and become productive citizens and enjoy life. It is also said that only the lazy, those who dont care about education or getting ahead, embrace welfare, so be it. There will always be a liberal who will toss you a crumb now and again.

    Or will there?

  • smald4liberty

    It’s funny how the right wingers here are calling Obama the names, when for 6 of the 8 years, from 2000 too 2006 they had control of congress and the presidency, and then after bloating the budget with 2 unfunded tax breaks, 2 wars, and an unfunded medicare part D, they hand if off to the Democrats and Obama, and you call them the socialists? The only socialist program in the government is the health care for the Vets. I guess you really want to get rid of that? That’s what you are complaining about? This only proves that you don’t know the meaning of the word socialism proving you really don’t know what you are talking about, or you just like to say stupid things to make you feel good.

  • Greg

    Ed Durffee said:
    Or will there?

    If you look at the data on federal taxation, you see that this “someone” who said “something” was him(her)self being lazy in the construction of their worldview. More often than not, the Republican “red” states bleed the Democratic “blue” states. A more accurate assessment might be that, “Republicans pretend to hate the federal government and taxes but they are the first ones at the trough to drink deep of the hard earned money earned by American Democrats.”

    http://visualizingeconomics.com/2010/02/17/federal-taxes-paidreceived-for-each-state/

  • smald4liberty

    In the third world people are poor because of the rich, not becasue they are poor. And in this country you, as a working person, or small business, are becoming poor, becasue of the rich. Republicans want the government to fail for their political reasons, and if you are a working class Republican you will feel the pain, not the rich.

  • smald4liberty

    In 1970 1% of the rich had !% of the income. In 1980 the top 1% of the wealthy had 23% of the income, and it’s some where in the 50% right now. The rate of investment in the US has fallen, so the rich have become really lazy, and the reason is that they have captured the government for their benefit. The reason for this change in the tax system is not progressive anymore, as was it was in the 50, to 80′s. Taxing the rich to invest in the US worked for a long period, but if you allow them to move their money offshore then our economy suffers, and poverty goes up, and the rich win. Unregulated capitalism will destroy itself, Marx was right. Who ever said giving the rich all the money creates jobs? That hasn’t worked out to good, has it?

  • The Voice of Reason

    lol DeMint. Isn’t this the guy who started the recession?

  • Liberal Tormentor – tormenting liberals with logic and facts since 1972

    Conservative star Paul Ryan challenged Obama to a debate today:

    “Fearmongering won’t solve our debt crisis. Americans deserve a real debate. You pick: when and where?“

    I’d pay good money to see that!

  • MrTPar_taY

    O-Mao-Bama doesn’t like us Americans.

  • Rio

    Greg said:
    If you look at the data on federal taxation, you see that this “someone” who said “something” was him(her)self being lazy in the construction of their worldview. More often than not, the Republican “red” states bleed the Democratic “blue” states. A more accurate assessment might be that, “Republicans pretend to hate the federal government and taxes but they are the first ones at the trough to drink deep of the hard earned money earned by American Democrats.” http://visualizingeconomics.com/2010/02/17/federal-taxes-paidreceived-for-each-state/

    More devisive political muck. Is it your belief that red states just sit and wait for Uncle Sam to forcibly take tax dollars from blue staters so they can have one heck of a party with the cash? Or is it your belief that blue staters have to support the red state welfare queens?

    Start figuring out where the bulk of the mil bases are, the federal labs, the IRS, missile silos, reservations, vast amounts of federal lands. You people think since massive federal projects are housed in red states you should not have to pay your share for them?

    I think it’s time for red staters to up the freaking rent and then let you whine.

  • gene

    Tap the only product we can produce; ENERGY from our own Natural Resources and ye shall have:
    “JOBS, BABY, JOBS” All other products have been out sourced. If I have a job; I can pay my own
    way; I can pay taxes instead of taking taxes from someone else. This is the answer for:
    “INTERNAL REVENUES”

  • purveyor

    WHAT IS THERE TO TALK ABOUT?

    What is there to negotiate? The check Book is way in the Red, the Nation is broke!

    Since we cannot put money in the checking account, without printing more of it, America MUST, make cuts, Period! The Democrats can point the finger and whine, but such doesn’t change a thing. We need to make cuts, to write any checks.

    Identifying Government waste and corruption is not rocket science. We could start with all those trips our President takes in Air Force One… LOL

    The Roman Jurist Cicero once wrote:

    “He removes the greatest ornament of friendship, who takes away from it, respect.”

    International respect and/or, our self respect? We have much to recover…

    PURVEYOR OF RHETORIC

  • Rio

    purveyor said:
    WHAT IS THERE TO TALK ABOUT? What is there to negotiate? The check Book is way in the Red, the Nation is broke! Since we cannot put money in the checking account, without printing more of it, America MUST, make cuts, Period!

    No, no, no, they want us to keep visiting the loan sharks and,,,,,just spend THEIR money, everything will be just fine, just watch.

  • Simba

    smald4liberty said:
    ………………………, Marx was right. Who ever said giving the rich all the money creates jobs? That hasn’t worked out to good, has it?

    Giving the rich all of the money? Do you mean their money, that they worked hard to earn? Giving the rich their own money…. wow

  • Simba

    I pay thousands in taxes every year. Tax-filing time rolls around, I file, and still have to pay a couple hundred more, since my kids have grown and moved out.

    Approx. 50% of tax-filers receive a full refund for every dollar they pay throughout the year in taxes, plus several hundred, up to what $2,500 back due to Earned Income Credits…

    How, pray tell, is this “Pay their fair share” of taxes, as Obama and the Dems continue to parrot that the rich should pay their “Fair share”?

    I am far from rich, I am not anywhere close to the $250,000 “rich” measure, yet I still pay plenty of taxes.

  • valkyrie101

    I am not sure what DeMint says is very credible since he was the republican who announced a couple years ago the “Waterloo” strategy to oppose everything Obama tries to do in order to scuttle his presidency.

  • Tedderman

    That’s the point Simba, you and every one of us hard working, tax paying Americans who are earning a living are paying an average of 23% in taxes annually. The rich on the other hand, some of whom earn hundreds of millions annually pay only 16% on average. American corporations are running their money to offshore accounts and paying no taxes at all while conglomerates like G.E. are using an army of former IRS agents and accountants to get billions in refunds, that’s taxpayers money, your money going to G.E.. If you’re OK with that fine, but I’m not.

  • purveyor

    Rio said:
    No, no, no, they want us to keep visiting the loan sharks and,,,,,just spend THEIR money, everything will be just fine, just watch.

    The Socialist’s, is it a clever ploy, or do they really believe their own gibberish? Sometimes I have to conclude it is a sort of mass mesmerization, that allows them fall for this Leninesque slight of hand. Or, a strange pathology?

    I dearly wish it was funny, but it ain’t! LOL

    You make the call…….

  • Simba

    Teddermann…. Do you mean that you are fine with the millions of Americans who pay no taxes? ZERO taxes, and yet, they still receive “refunds” on the taxes that we paid into the system? They are the ones who benefit from the govt assistance programs the most. They go in and out of the welfare system, food stamps, MedicAid… etc. Yet, they never pay anything into it when they are earning a paycheck. They pay no share, let alone a “fair share”.

    I think everybody should pay a flat tax. No matter what they earn. If you make $5,000 a year or $5billion a year. Same percentage. No loopholes. No deductions for investments, etc… No tax “refunds” for taxes you didn’t even pay. Then, you could say that everybody pays their fair share.

  • Simba

    Tedderman said:
    …………….. American corporations are running their money to offshore accounts and paying no taxes at all while conglomerates like G.E. are using an army of former IRS agents and accountants to get billions in refunds, that’s taxpayers money, your money going to G.E.. If you’re OK with that fine, but I’m not.

    You do realize that you used Obama’s right-hand-man, Immelt, as your example? Special favors abound in the White House, no matter who resides there, no matter the letter behind their names.

    No I am not fine with it. That is why I favor a flat tax. No loopholes. No special interest taxbreaks.

  • The Dweller Ysul

    Simba said:
    Do you mean that you are fine with the millions of Americans who pay no taxes?

    The only “millions” not paying taxes are children. If you have a job, or buy a product, or own a home or a car, or hell, even if you receive a government check, you pay taxes. It’s not like this is brain surgery, Simba. Please try to keep up.

  • Simba

    The Dweller Ysul said:
    The only “millions” not paying taxes are children. If you have a job, or buy a product, or own a home or a car, or hell, even if you receive a government check, you pay taxes. It’s not like this is brain surgery, Simba. Please try to keep up.

    Everybody pays sales taxes, We are discussing Income Taxes. Dweller, Please, you try to keep up.

  • Simba

    And no, welfare recipients do not pay taxes.

    Just because you have a job doesn’t mean you pay taxes. The employer deducts taxes throughout the year, but you get every dollar back at the tax-filing time, if your earned income falls at a certain level…. ((( check out the tax tables at IRS.gov if you do not believe me ))) plus you get money back that you didn’t pay in, by taking the Earned Income Credit.

  • Jim R

    I’d like one Republican to answer whether they knew at the time when they were putting two wars, the largest social benefit in 40 years, and two massive tax cuts for the wealthy on the nation’s credit card if they’d be after the poor and middle class to eventually pay those bills – or did that just turn out too be an ancillary benefit?

    When every Democratic Administration since WWII has lowered the deficit and every Republican one since Nixon has added to it, with both Reagan and Bush II doubling the deficit, when will America finally recognize the hypocritical ideological dismantling of our country and quit listening to the liars that ran the deficit up in the first place?

  • http://www.zazzle.com/talkingpoints NORBIT Jr.

    Jim R said:
    I’d like one Republican to answer whether they knew at the time when they were putting two wars, the largest social benefit in 40 years, and two massive tax cuts for the wealthy on the nation’s credit card if they’d be after the poor and middle class to eventually pay those bills – or did that just turn out too be an ancillary benefit? When every Democratic Administration since WWII has lowered the deficit and every Republican one since Nixon has added to it, with both Reagan and Bush II doubling the deficit, when will America finally recognize the hypocritical ideological dismantling of our country and quit listening to the liars that ran the deficit up in the first place?

    Profligate government programs perpetuate generational dependency amongst the poor.

    How many more decades of blight must poor, predominantly minority communities endure before they can break free of their Democratic Overlords?

  • purveyor

    valkyrie101 said:
    I am not sure what DeMint says is very credible since he was the republican who announced a couple years ago the “Waterloo” strategy to oppose everything Obama tries to do in order to scuttle his presidency.

    What a fine idea. I am not sure of your assertion regarding DeMint, but, is similar to my attitude. President Obama is a Socialist who has always surrounded himself with Socialist relatives, friends and colleagues.

    Ergo, Obama is the antithesis of EVERYTHING our Founders bequeathed to us. Free enterprise, Liberty and personal responsibility. Hence, like a game of chess, I make every move, to counter the Socialists plan for the dissolution of America.

    PURVEYOR OF RHETORIC

  • purveyor

    Tedderman said:
    That’s the point Simba, you and every one of us hard working, tax paying Americans who are earning a living are paying an average of 23% in taxes annually. The rich on the other hand, some of whom earn hundreds of millions annually pay only 16% on average. American corporations are running their money to offshore accounts and paying no taxes at all while conglomerates like G.E. are using an army of former IRS agents and accountants to get billions in refunds, that’s taxpayers money, your money going to G.E.. If you’re OK with that fine, but I’m not.

    I read this once, was it in “Das Kapital?” Class envy, you assign blame to those have achieved success, then demand more and more until the incompetents and incapable are in positions of power? Noo, it was “Animal Farm,” thats it, and Stalin was the Jack Ass.

    “All Animals are equal, but some more than others.” Ouch!

    Purveyor

  • Jim R

    Correction: Reagan tripled the national debt. Must strive for accuracy.

  • cmikes

    Jim R said:
    Correction: Reagan tripled the national debt. Must strive for accuracy.

    But let’s put that in perspective. By expanding the total economy, Reagan’s tax cuts almost doubled the revenue coming into the federal government in the 1980s. It was the failure to hold the line on spending by the democrat controlled Congress that increased the deficit. Now that we have a Republican controlled House (where spending bills originate), if we could increase revenue by expanding the economy while controlling spending, we could start to solve this problem.

  • http://www.thecobraslair.com Cobra

    purveyor said:
    The Roman Jurist Cicero once wrote:

    “He removes the greatest ornament of friendship, who takes away from it, respect.”

    International respect and/or, our self respect? We have much to recover…

    The Roman Empire NEVER cut taxes during a time of war.

    Rio said:
    More devisive political muck. Is it your belief that red states just sit and wait for Uncle Sam to forcibly take tax dollars from blue staters so they can have one heck of a party with the cash? Or is it your belief that blue staters have to support the red state welfare queens?

    Actually, these states receive this much in federal aid for $1 in taxes:

    North Dakota ($2.03)
    New Mexico ($1.89)
    Mississippi ($1.84)
    Alaska ($1.82)
    West Virginia ($1.74)
    Montana ($1.64)
    Alabama ($1.61)
    South Dakota ($1.59)
    Arkansas ($1.53)

    New Mexico looks like the only State on that list Obama took in 2008.
    http://taxprof.typepad.com/taxprof_blog/2004/09/red_states_feed.html

    2012freedom said:
    We don’t have a revenue problem we have a huge spending problem. We keep giving the government more and more money and they keep raising the spending levels higher each year.

    America has a consumer (spender) based economy. If there’s no consumption (spending) the economy fails.

    Simba said:
    How, pray tell, is this “Pay their fair share” of taxes, as Obama and the Dems continue to parrot that the rich should pay their “Fair share”?

    George Soros paid 15% and General Electric payed no US federal taxes. What percent did YOU pay again?
    And do you think that’s fair?

    –Cobra

  • http://www.thecobraslair.com Cobra

    cmikes said:
    But let’s put that in perspective. By expanding the total economy, Reagan’s tax cuts almost doubled the revenue coming into the federal government in the 1980s. It was the failure to hold the line on spending by the democrat controlled Congress that increased the deficit. Now that we have a Republican controlled House (where spending bills originate), if we could increase revenue by expanding the economy while controlling spending, we could start to solve this problem.

    Ronald Reagan raised taxes ELEVEN (11) times while he was in office.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20030729-503544.html

    Whoops.

    –Cobra

  • Rio

    cmikes said:
    But let’s put that in perspective. By expanding the total economy, Reagan’s tax cuts almost doubled the revenue coming into the federal government in the 1980s. It was the failure to hold the line on spending by the democrat controlled Congress that increased the deficit. Now that we have a Republican controlled House (where spending bills originate), if we could increase revenue by expanding the economy while controlling spending, we could start to solve this problem.

    He’s not looking to solve anything, he’s reached all the way back to Reagan to redirect the focus on Obama’s miserable spending record. We can all google for the past and being as though we are living the present, we well know who is blowing through record amounts of not only our money but, printed and borrowed money.

    In his first 19 months, this administration added more to the national debt than all other presidents combined, whew! welcome to Obama world, I don’t think we need to waste time going over Reagan’s record when we have the mess the current occupant is making for us now. But, for some it’s a diversion.

    Obama Added More to National Debt in First 19 Months Than All Presidents from Washington Through Reagan Combined, Says Gov’t Data

    http://cnsnews.com/news/article/72404

  • cmikes

    George Soros paid 15% and General Electric payed no US federal taxes. What percent did YOU pay again?
    And do you think that’s fair?

    –Cobra

    Exactly, crony capitalism (or to call it by its original name, corporatism) has to stop. Just because GE and George Soros are huge supporters of President Obama doesn’t mean that they should get special deals and tax breaks.

  • cmikes

    “Ronald Reagan raised taxes ELEVEN (11) times while he was in office.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20030729-503544.html

    Whoops.

    –Cobra”

    Yes, he did close some loopholes. I don’t think he would be happy with Obama’s corporatism, for instance. But the fact remains he cut a lot more taxes than he raised. And just like JFK said in the 60′s, who expanded the economy and increased revenue with tax cuts, “A rising tide lifts all boats”.

  • Rio

    Cobra said:
    Actually, these states receive this much in federal aid for $1 in taxes:

    And your point is? That information is available all over the net, what isn’t as easy to find is the reason for the disparity in the way the federal dollars are redistributed. But, since this red v blue stater nonsense gets rehashed from time to time, I bothered to check into it years ago.

    The federal projects and lands and other items mentioned earlier located in red states have to be maintained and, it’s the responsibility of the nation as a whole because these federal projects benefit or are responsibility of the entire nation.

    Military bases, dams, TVA, Los Alamos, the IRS, Indian reservations, fed highways, energy projects, etc., pay up or move them into your urban areas. Start sticking the nuke waste material in DC where the recipients of the largest return on tax dollars reside.

  • purveyor

    Cobra said:
    The Roman Empire NEVER cut taxes during a time of war.

    You mean that is all you could garner from that quote?

    That is pathetic.

    You must be great date to an Art Gallery…

  • purveyor

    Cicero was a Roman Constitutionalist, and devotee of the Senate. Cicero dared to oppose Caesar’s assumption of power. He paid with his life.

    As I recall Cobra you are African American, and a racist. It shows in you’re writing as you are pathologically predisposed to dislike Western thought.

    Such is a by-product of African Theology, of which our Fearless Leader is an adherent, along with Socialism.

    I’d wager you’ve never seen a “Mid Summer Nights Dream”?

    PURVEYOR OF RHETORIC

  • The Dweller Ysul

    purveyor of racism said:
    as you are pathologically predisposed to dislike Western thought. Such is a by-product of African Theology, of which our Fearless Leader is an adherent, along with Socialism.

    Hey, Cicero, socialism IS the product of Western thought, and the only African theologian that the President likely adheres to is St. Augustine.

    And what does not having seen one of Shakespeare’s comedies have to do with anything? (Oh, that’s right, Jim DeMint is big flaming fairy, who actually fantasized on MoJo this morning that “we don’t have a revenue problem, we have spending problem…60%…blah, blah, blah.” Which is an interesting take on the current situation, since we’ve had historically low revenues for three years running, i.e. 14% of GDP vs. the customary 16-20%.)

    You know, purveyor, you’re being a real embarrassment to our race with this kind of posting.

  • http://www.facebook.com/people/Bruce-Kennedy/1439463341 Bruce

    purveyor said:
    Cicero was a Roman Constitutionalist, and devotee of the Senate. Cicero dared to oppose Caesar’s assumption of power. He paid with his life.

    As I recall Cobra you are African American, and a racist. It shows in you’re writing as you are pathologically predisposed to dislike Western thought.

    Such is a by-product of African Theology, of which our Fearless Leader is an adherent, along with Socialism.

    I’d wager you’ve never seen a “Mid Summer Nights Dream”?

    PURVEYOR OF RHETORIC

    I have but two questions, purveuyor. Is the food at the “Home” tolerable? And two, they don’t actually have padded cells anymore, do they? I can only hope they give you copious amounts of time outdoors, so that you may enjoy all that Mother Nature has to offer. I shant bore you with twenty first century politics. But rather leave you to your arcane nineteenth and twentieth century fantasies. Back in a simpler time when ideologies were black and white. Or should I say “red” and “white”? Obviously your obsession with mid-nineteenth century ideology played a major role in your move to the “Home”. And btw have you heard from Pyramus or Thisbe? There’s a chink in the wall.

  • purveyor

    “So we led him away to a cage, Beast that can talk read the sign.

    We pushed and prodded his frame, and questioned his story again.

    But soon we grew bored and we preyed, more like a freak, or publicity stunt.”

  • purveyor

    COMRADES, CITIZENS,

    “It is incumbent on every generation, to pay its own debts as it goes.”

    Thomas Jefferson

  • valkyrie101

    purveyor said:
    What a fine idea. I am not sure of your assertion regarding DeMint, but, is similar to my attitude. President Obama is a Socialist who has always surrounded himself with Socialist relatives, friends and colleagues. Ergo, Obama is the antithesis of EVERYTHING our Founders bequeathed to us. Free enterprise, Liberty and personal responsibility. Hence, like a game of chess, I make every move, to counter the Socialists plan for the dissolution of America. PURVEYOR OF RHETORIC

    You can always count on what I say as being true. Actually, the first socialists were are founding fathers because they included socialism in the Constitution when they provided for a federally owned military. If they had followed the non-socialist approach, apparently your approach, they would have provided for our military needs to be purchased from mercenary private contractors. And of course George Washington was our first socialist President when he established the First Bank, owned by the federal government.

  • purveyor

    valkyrie101 said:
    You can always count on what I say as being true. Actually, the first socialists were are founding fathers because they included socialism in the Constitution when they provided for a federally owned military. If they had followed the non-socialist approach, apparently your approach, they would have provided for our military needs to be purchased from mercenary private contractors. And of course George Washington was our first socialist President when he established the First Bank, owned by the federal government.

    Where do you come up with this stuff? LOL

  • Darr247

    GetTheRealStory said:
    This isn’t a joke.
    http://alturl.com/pyqwz

    Well, it wasn’t very entertaining, anyway. But YOU are certainly a joke.

  • Nature Is Freaky

    Nick Cave and the Bad Seeds
    “Easy Money”

    It’s difficult. It’s very tough.
    I said to the man who’d been sleeping rough
    To sit within a fragrant breeze
    All among the nodding trees
    That hang heavy with the stuff

    He threw his arms around my neck
    He brushed the tear from my cheek
    And held my soft white hand
    He was an understanding man
    He did not even barely hardly speak

    Easy money
    Rain it down on the wife and the kids
    Rain it down on the house where we live
    Rain until you got nothing left to give
    And rain that ever-loving stuff down on me

    All the things for which my heart yearns
    Gives joy in diminishing returns
    He kissed me on the mouth
    His hands they headed south
    And my cheek it burned

    Money, man, it is a bitch
    The poor, they spoil it for the rich
    With my face pressed in the clover
    I wondered when this would be over
    And at home we are all so guilty-sad

    Easy money
    Pour it down the open drain
    Pour it all through my veins
    Pour it down, yeah, let it rain
    And pour that ever-loving stuff down on me

    Now, I’m sitting pretty down on the bank
    Life shuffles past at a low interest rate
    In the money-coloured meadows
    And all the interesting shadows
    They leap up, then dissipate

    Easy money
    Easy money
    Easy money
    Rain it down on the wife and the kids
    Rain it down on the house where we live
    Rain it down until you got nothing left to give
    And rain that ever-loving stuff down on me.

  • Sidhekitten

    Let’s just cut to the heart of the matter. If you believe that being a progressive is the one true way, then put your money where your mouth is, send ALL of your money to Obama and your progressive buddies. If government is your religion then prove it, put your lives in the hands of your god, Soros um Obama. Beg for mercy from your great god so that he may save you. Quit trying to steal my money at the point of a gun.

    BTW, when did 250,000 become a million. Oh wait, it’s PROGRESSIVE math, 250,000 is a million if you are not a progressive. If you are a progressive then you get a pass, a “waiver” if you will. Kind of like how progressives feel about free speech, it is only for progressives. The TSA rape fest, it’s ok, since progressives should be waived through, while grandma has to take off her Depends. After all, Granny was ready to blow herself up in the name of Jesus, the whole “Prince of Peace” actually meant “Prince of Pieces”.

    Oh, and lets not forget, progressives need all of the airwaves, because disagreement with a progressive should be a capital crime. Quick, grab a bullwhip and a noose, we have non-democrats to string up, just like southern democrats taught us how to do. Oh my, Woodrow Wilson was so right, jail the dissenters by the thousands, re-segregate the federal workers, and warm up those informers, it’s time to party like the progressives of old.

  • valkyrie101

    purveyor said:
    Where do you come up with this stuff? LOL

    Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution provides for several government owned and run operations that you conservatives would call “socialist” institutions. And of course, the “First Bank” established by Washington with the support of Hamilton, is a matter of history. Try google on this stuff, its amazing.

  • purveyor

    valkyrie101 said:
    Article I, Section 8 of the Constitution provides for several government owned and run operations that you conservatives would call “socialist” institutions. And of course, the “First Bank” established by Washington with the support of Hamilton, is a matter of history. Try google on this stuff, its amazing.

    VALKYRIE,

    I do agree that the Federal Reserve has been a mistake. I think history agrees with you and I that such was added link in the Republic, that did more harm than good.

    How many times has such come and gone? two, three? Yet, “from the ashes…”

    BUT, the Socialist leap you make is inspired by your political inclinations, not reality.

    I guess, after further reflection, though, you make an interesting assertion, academically speaking, of course.

    Purveyor

  • Rio

    All the hype, WTF…winning the future, and Recovery Summer? We sure blew through that without any positive or notable improvement to employment or the economy. Now the questions are starting from the left, “Did Obama make it worse?” and Big Union’s Trumpka’s tweet yesterday, “Where are the jobs?” Well tee hee, the White House made Speaker Boehner’s very same question the issue/diversion. But, all those pamplets that will be distributed to the union locals will focus on Trumpka’s tweet and his question, where are the jobs?

    So, instead, is it LTF….losing the future? IMHO, yes.

    Respected Stanford economist John Taylor, perhaps the next chairman of the Federal Reserve, has analyzed the actual results of the ARRA. Not what the White House’s garbage-in, garbage-out models say happened, but what actually happened as gleaned from government statistics. Taylor, simply put, looked at whether consumers actually consumed and whether government actually spent in a way that produced real growth and jobs. His devastating conclusion:

    “Individuals and families largely saved the transfers and tax rebates. The federal government increased purchases, but by only an immaterial amount. State and local governments used the stimulus grants to reduce their net borrowing (largely by acquiring more financial assets) rather than to increase expenditures, and they shifted expenditures away from purchases toward transfers. Some argue that the economy would have been worse off without these stimulus packages, but the results do not support that view.”

    Indeed, the results are horrifying. The two-year-old recovery’s terrible tale of the tape: A 9.1 percent unemployment rate that’s probably closer to 16 percent counting the discouraged and underemployed, the worst income growth and weakest GDP growth of any upturn since World War II, a still-weakening housing market. Oh, and a trillion bucks down the tube. Oh, and two-and-a-half years … and counting … wasted during which time the skills of unemployed workers continue to erode and the careers of younger Americans suffer long-term income damage. Losing the future.

    More and, the comments are also worth a read:

    http://blogs.reuters.com/james-pethokoukis/2011/07/06/obama-really-might-have-made-it-worse/

  • valkyrie101

    purveyor said:
    VALKYRIE, I do agree that the Federal Reserve has been a mistake. I think history agrees with you and I that such was added link in the Republic, that did more harm than good. How many times has such come and gone? two, three? Yet, “from the ashes…” BUT, the Socialist leap you make is inspired by your political inclinations, not reality. I guess, after further reflection, though, you make an interesting assertion, academically speaking, of course. Purveyor

    Not the federal reserve, Washington established the First Bank, fully owned by the U.S. government, a socialist bank, which apparently was the model for Israel because they also use that model. The Post Office? Socialism, yet right their in the Constitution. My point is that government ownership is not unconstitutional.

  • purveyor

    valkyrie101 said:
    Not the federal reserve, Washington established the First Bank, fully owned by the U.S. government, a socialist bank, which apparently was the model for Israel because they also use that model. The Post Office? Socialism, yet right their in the Constitution. My point is that government ownership is not unconstitutional.

    VALKYRIE,

    Yes, I understand, or, I know what you are referring too. The progenitor of the Federal Reserve, was the “First Bank of the United States,” Chartered, in 1791. (Google the Fed reserve bank, and scroll down a bit) The same controversies accompanied both permutations.

    A Supreme Court case McCulloch v. Maryland legitimized the Bank. The Bank’s creation was urged, vigorously by James Madison and Alexander Hamilton, both FEDERALISTS, in the publication, “The Federalist Papers.” Hamilton and Madison were, “Conservative Republicans,” in todays terms.

    Their opponents, in Congress were “Anti-Federalists.” (Democrats, in today’s terms.)

    Curiously, the famed orator and word smith, Daniel Webster (My Hero) argued McCulloch for the Federalists.

    I don’t know how or why you choose to construe such as some kind of Socialism, or how it advances your Liberal inclinations, but I am mystified at your interpretation of history? Huh…

    PURVEYOR OF RHETORIC

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