What’s behind the white-out, Sherlock?

LOL

Well, now that that’s finished..

(can’t wait for the RINO comments and the bigoted ones from BARACKMUSTGO (black and white).

Shepard Smith is the “most respected newscaster” by liberals only when liberals like what he has to say.

FOX Lies!
right?

Bill Huggins said:
LOL

Well, now that that’s finished..

(can’t wait for the RINO comments and the bigoted ones from BARACKMUSTGO (black and white).

How could shep be a RINO when he’s a democrat? Think before you post, please!

SHEP SAID BILLY GRAHM IS DEAD “THE LATE BILLY…”

LOL

Jaurez said:
How could shep be a RINO when he’s a democrat? Think before you post, please!

HAhahahahaha. THIS is what I’m talking about. LOL

oh yeah. sheperd smith. credibility personified.

Jaurez said:
How could shep be a RINO when he’s a democrat? Think before you post, please!

http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/2091132

this makes absolutely no difference. even after shep took up the cause begun with jon stewart shaming the republicans about there abandonment of 9/11 workers, there were still people siding with what they really have respect for…and it’s not 9/11 responders.

Too late Shep.

The One has been damaged in the eyes of many, as he claims the title of Captain Transparency, while hiding everything about himself, from his birth records to his college transcripts.

@ Shep Smith: Thank You, Hopefully conservatives will shut up now because Fox News has confirmed the truth.

Now that the trio of Smith, O’Reilly and Beck all agree there is no doubt Obama is an American can we now ignore the birthers and get back to discussing real issues?

The facts surrounding President Obama’s birth have been known for years. He was clearly born in Honolulu, Hawaii and no where else. Facts are more important than political affiliation. Birthers should start their own party so they will stand for the lies they have been spreading for years.

The Republicans have played along with them to make political capital. Republicans are no more than a group of Nazis who will tell the biggest lies possible and eventually, just as under Hitler, most of the population will believe anything that is repeated enough no mater how false.

Even I love Shepard Smith. DON’T YOU FOX ON ME!!!

Bill Huggins said:
http://www.answerbag.com/q_view/2091132

is that site generally reliable?

ChiliPeppersFan said:
is that site generally reliable?

no…

murphy0071 said:
The facts surrounding President Obama’s birth have been known for years. He was clearly born in Honolulu, Hawaii and no where else. Facts are more important than political affiliation. Birthers should start their own party so they will stand for the lies they have been spreading for years.

The Republicans have played along with them to make political capital. Republicans are no more than a group of Nazis who will tell the biggest lies possible and eventually, just as under Hitler, most of the population will believe anything that is repeated enough no mater how false.

we could only hope.
http://hotair.com/archives/2011/04/12/trump-says-hed-probably-run-as-independent-if-he-doesnt-win-republican-nomination/

lol. I thought he was going to say something terrible (like a bad news).

Which hospital does it list?
What is the name of the doctor?
Why does it say his fathers race is “African”?

Oh thats right….That was a “certification of live birth”, which anyone can get and can’t even be used to sign little Johnny up for pee wee baseball, and not the legitimate long form birth certificate.

Sounds like Shep has been getting his misinformation from Bill O’Really!!

murphy0071 said:
Republicans are no more than a group of Nazis

Bill Huggins said:
HAhahahahaha. THIS is what I’m talking about. LOL

It is? Gawd, you’re dumb.

skoorbekim said:
no…

how do you view http://www.politifact.com/

ChiliPeppersFan said:
is that site generally reliable?

No.

skoorbekim said:

Weird you think Republicans are Nazis? I don’t even think that but thanks for your honesty for once.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
how do you view http://www.politifact.com/

I don’t.

QUOTE:
Well there it is. The most respected newscaster at the most watched and dominant cable news network has weighed in on the controversy surrounding Barack Obama’s citizenship
UNQUOTE
Well, hey, did you get that, everyone?
the MOST RESPECTED newscaster (absolutely) is SHEPERD SMITH !!!
the MOST WATCHED and dominant cable news network (for sure) is FOXNEWS !!!!

It;’s about time you admitted it, Mediate.

How much you want to bet that Hannity still has Corsi on to hype his stupid “book?”

Nothing will make the crazy people accept that Obma is American.

The end.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
how do you view http://www.politifact.com/

I take it or leave it based on how they interpret what is said…
I’m not the type to blindly follow a couple of editors in St Petersburg…

Okay , Sheppy . Why does Obama have Jean Paul Ludwig’s SS# ?

Sigh.

Well, good. Glad you cleared that up, Shep.

Now, how about:

The hidden college records.

The lack of Law Review History.

Obama’s Conneticut social security number.

Clear that up for me, Shep.

Paging Gov. Neil Abercrombie.

catfishjuggling said:
How much you want to bet that Hannity still has Corsi on to hype his stupid “book?”

Nothing will make the crazy people accept that Obma is American.

The end.

Sure there could. The actual birth certificate or at least the physician that gave him birth coming out at saying that he/she did so.

Bill Huggins says:

Hey, where’s your cousin, dildo buggins?

Many birthers acknowledge Obama was born in Hawaii…
We just want to know why he refuses to show the BC…
Doth protest too much?

Now will MSNBC come out with a statement against the 9/11 truthers? I shall wait for this. :)

catfishjuggling said:
How much you want to bet that Hannity still has Corsi on to hype his stupid “book?”

It doesn’t need the hype,
It’s #1 on Amazon and hasn’t even been released yet…

But here comes that pesky Khalid al Mansour issue again:
http://wwwtwosetsofbooks.blogspot.com/2011/04/breaking-ben-smith-comes-clean-on-lie.html

skoorbekim said:
Many birthers acknowledge Obama was born in Hawaii…
We just want to know why he refuses to show the BC…
Doth protest too much?

Mark Belling even said that his issue was in wondering why Obama refuses to show his BC when most people can proudly and easily do so. Belling accepts that Obama is born in Hawaii (as do I), but I find it weird that someone at the Presidential level (R or D) wouldn’t just produce a copy for historical sake at least.

I’m personally interested in his law school papers and credit card/cash filings for his election. :)

WCinWI said:
Now will MSNBC come out with a statement against the 9/11 truthers? I shall wait for this. :)

4.25.11 D Rattigan show

” Truthers are just as insane as Birthers , they have no basis in fact!”

Maybe if you did a little checking you would know this, also who using your kind of tactics? Oh my 5 yr old. See when he gets in trouble he likes to blame his younger brother saying “He did the same thing!” The far right is very immature ..

WCinWI said:
Sure there could. The actual birth certificate or at least the physician that gave him birth coming out at saying that he/she did so.

Aren’t you supposed to be busy working on your Masters or being not thin? He released it. You crazy people pretend it is not real.

Thus my point.

WCinWI said:
Now will MSNBC come out with a statement against the 9/11 truthers? I shall wait for this. :)

Now will ToiletinWI come out with a statement apologizing for comparing the First Lady of the United States to a monkey. I wont hold my breath.

catfishjuggling said:
You crazy people pretend it is not real.

he did not…
that Cert of Live Birth was notarized in June of 2007…

NOBAMA 2012 said:
“Fox News can confirm the president of the United States is a citizen of the United States,”

Well…waiting, waiting, still waiting for the “confirmation” but not holding our breath…

What some Ole Miss dropout says carries about as much credibility as a screen door on a submarine.

Anyone who believes that Obozo is not hiding something, after spending hundreds of thousands of dollars, if not millions, fighting numerous eligibility lawsuits in numerous states and signing an Executive Order his first day in office, sealing ALL his personal records, has to be the most naive person on the planet or dumb as a box of rocks.

Only 21 more months ’til we evict the incompetent, hypocritical, racist, Marxist Grifter from the Oval Office & cancel “Amateur Hour” at the White House.

Like Margaret Thatcher once said, Socialism only works ’til you run out of other peoples’ money.

NOBAMA 2012

“Liberalism is just Communism sold by the drink.” P.J.O’Rourke

Not to mention Shep is on record saying he “loves Keith Olbermann”. That must make you crazy.

catfishjuggling said:
Aren’t you supposed to be busy working on your Masters or being not thin? He released it. You crazy people pretend it is not real.

Thus my point.

Shouldn’t you be stalking someone? Er…wait.

Georgia999 said:
QUOTE:Well there it is. The most respected newscaster at the most watched and dominant cable news network has weighed in on the controversy surrounding Barack Obama’s citizenshipUNQUOTEWell, hey, did you get that, everyone?the MOST RESPECTED newscaster (absolutely) is SHEPERD SMITH !!!the MOST WATCHED and dominant cable news network (for sure) is FOXNEWS !!!! It;’s about time you admitted it, Mediate.

um Mcds sells more “burgers” than anyone else would you say they make the best burgers? Or Chevy sells way more cars than BMW or Benz or Ferrari does that make Chevy cars better than the others? nah see it’s all marketing & Fox News markets better than any other news co.

catfishjuggling said:
Aren’t you supposed to be busy working on your Masters or being not thin? He released it. You crazy people pretend it is not real.

Thus my point.

I already have my masters. :) Working on other things. Stop being a stalker.

And don’t yell at me because I try to follow Michelle’s “Move” idea. You should try conquering that feat yourself.

A COLB is not an actual Birth Certificate. Even John McCain’s BC is out there WITH the physician’s name!

Its nice to see the Mediate Birther Contingent is out in full force today.

There’s NO getting around the FACT that Obama clearly has something to hide and it CAN’T be good.

Mr Smith goes to town and proclaims he knows the world. Mr Smith must be the last of his generation believing the world is lead by leaders swearing on their grandmother’s graves that they know all the answers and not followed by followers who just want common sense and facts. So much for Fox News. TP where are you?

The Tea Weasel® said:
Its nice to see the Mediate Birther Contingent is out in full force today.

Right on cue. ;)

skoorbekim said:
he did not…that Cert of Live Birth was notarized in June of 2007…

Do any of you trolls ever leave your basement or have you never seen the real world? That is when the copy he ordered was printed.

Doesn’t matter. You’ll keep moving the goalposts. Thanks for proving my point though.

Jaurez said:
There’s NO getting around the FACT that Obama clearly has something to hide and it CAN’T be good.

His enormous penis?

The Tea Weasel® said:
His enormous penis?

Keep your fantasies to yourself.

Shep, we already know he’s a citizen. Catch up, this is a natural born controversy.

Shepard Smith IS the one oasis of sanity on Fox News. He had the guts to make fun of Glenn Beck right on camera (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z6gyCBBRv9g) before most people even knew who he was. I’m not sure how much longer Ailes and Co. will keep Shep on, but for now, he’s the only one there with any integrity.

Jaurez said:
Right on cue. ;)

I am always prompt when Commissioner Gordon shines the BATSHIT light, Lowrez. And the Batshitters are out in force today. It must really really reaaaaaally be depressing for you when the NEWS department of Fox comes out of the closet as a believer of Barry’s divine right to be American President. Oh well, you still have the OPINION department of Fox to fall back on to reinforce the batshit.

catfishjuggling said:
That is when the copy he ordered was printed.

It is not a “copy”…

His SSN might be a copy…

FYI: Simpleton smith IS A D-CRAT
I’m amazed that he took time away from his usual videos of bear “humor” to inject this lie into the broadcast.

catfishjuggling said:
Do any of you trolls ever leave your basement or have you never seen the real world? That is when the copy he ordered was printed.

Doesn’t matter. You’ll keep moving the goalposts. Thanks for proving my point though.

The BC’s I have seen (from multiple states) show cursive writing on the official document. Why do you have a problem with him showing any of this stuff? It should be commonplace. Compare John McCain’s to Obama’s. There are stark differences. And it is my understanding that there was an individual born around the same time as Obama that could get an actual BC. It’s called being transparent. You don’t have to like it, but if you want an issue to be a non-issue, work with facts and not conjecture.

Levin says:

You’re funny. Every time shep comes out and sings the liberal song you loons claim he’s going to get fired for doing so and it hasn’t happened, yet. Keep the laughs coming!

why is my comment not printed? thanks

skoorbekim said:
It is not a “copy”…

His SSN might be a copy…

Belling thinks that there is legitimate concern that the real reason Obama doesn’t release the official BC is because it could bring down his book “Dreams of my Father”…I’d never considered that angle before. And Belling’s not some righty nut. He says that people that don’t think he’s born in the US are nuts, but that to put the issue to bed, Obama should produce his actual BC. I don’t think that’s an unfair thing to do.

Know what this story needs?
Some “Chicka Chicka Boom Boom”

WCinWI said:
I already have my masters. :) Working on other things. Stop being a stalker.And don’t yell at me because I try to follow Michelle’s “Move” idea. You should try conquering that feat yourself.A COLB is not an actual Birth Certificate. Even John McCain’s BC is out there WITH the physician’s name!

You responded to my post. Yeah. I’m the stalker.

If you direct a comment at me I have to respond.

I’m pretty ok on the fitness end. Have run 2 marathons already this year. But thanks for the fake concern.

WCinWI said:
issue to bed, Obama should produce his actual BC. I don’t think that’s an unfair thing to do.

there has got to be a reason he does not want it released…
this will not go away… Libs might think this helps them in 2012 but I think they are missing the point… Obama’s monetary policies are crashing… people are frustrated… the Birther question is a way to vent…

skoorbekim said:
It is not a “copy”…

His SSN might be a copy…

What about the Connecticut number series? It’s an interesting question, but there’s no law that says you have to get your SSN from a Social Security office in the state where you reside. Nowadays, they are all processed centrally and the assignment is based on the zip code of the return address. My guess (and that’s all it is) is that Obama got his SSN as a child living in Indonesia and the application was just processed in Connecticut. A commenter here made another suggestion and that is that Obama’s return address was mistyped, the initial “9″ typed as a “0″ which would turn a Hawaiian zip code into one from Connecticut.

http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2010/02/obamas-social-security-number/

WCinWI said:
The BC’s I have seen (from multiple states) show cursive writing on the official document. Why do you have a problem with him showing any of this stuff? It should be commonplace. Compare John McCain’s to Obama’s. There are stark differences. And it is my understanding that there was an individual born around the same time as Obama that could get an actual BC. It’s called being transparent. You don’t have to like it, but if you want an issue to be a non-issue, work with facts and not conjecture.

Umm, not for nothing, but I had to get a birth certificate from my state DOH and it looks like Barry’s COLB. Recently I was going thru some of my mom’s papers and found one of the photostat copies like you describe.
Why do you suppose the state gave me a COLB instead of a copy of what my mom had in her file. Is it all a vast left wing conspiracy? Maybe my actual birth certificate lists me as a Muslim (it doesn’t even mention religion, actually). Maybe, just cause you wanna believe Barry is different from other Americans, you will refuse to face facts. But that’s OK, America has always had its share of people out of touch with reality, and you can be a proud member of that group.
I just hope the birther movement has enough steam to keep going thru 2012. It’s the Obama 2012 Secret Weapon.

PS: Shep was just trying to save the Republicans from themselves, but they refuse to believe.

Jaurez said:
Bill Huggins says:

Hey, where’s your cousin, dildo buggins?

Huhhuhhuh. Ask your mOm.

The Tea Weasel® said:
Umm, not for nothing, but I had to get a birth certificate from my state DOH and it looks like Barry’s COLB. Recently I was going thru some of my mom’s papers and found one of the photostat copies like you describe.
Why do you suppose the state gave me a COLB instead of a copy of what my mom had in her file. Is it all a vast left wing conspiracy? Maybe my actual birth certificate lists me as a Muslim (it doesn’t even mention religion, actually). Maybe, just cause you wanna believe Barry is different from other Americans, you will refuse to face facts. But that’s OK, America has always had its share of people out of touch with reality, and you can be a proud member of that group.
I just hope the birther movement has enough steam to keep going thru 2012. It’s the Obama 2012 Secret Weapon.

PS: Shep was just trying to save the Republicans from themselves, but they refuse to believe.

I don’t care what Obama’s religion is. I believe he’s agnostic or atheist. One of the two. That’s a non-issue for me. I just prefer transparency. The Governor of the state of Hawaii said that he saw Obama’s BC. Therefore, one exists and until it’s produced in copy form, it’s going to be an issue.

Shep won’t save anything for Republicans since he isn’t one. As I said, produce the documentation and the issue is dropped.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
What about the Connecticut number series? It’s an interesting question, but there’s no law that says you have to get your SSN from a Social Security office in the state where you reside. Nowadays, they are all processed centrally and the assignment is based on the zip code of the return address. My guess (and that’s all it is) is that Obama got his SSN as a child living in Indonesia and the application was just processed in Connecticut. A commenter here made another suggestion and that is that Obama’s return address was mistyped, the initial “9″ typed as a “0″ which would turn a Hawaiian zip code into one from Connecticut. http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2010/02/obamas-social-security-number/

first 3 numbers are the Area #’s… 1961 SS #’s issued based on state of residence…
local SS offices handle the case load…
Why would Obama’s mom wait so many years before asking for his SSN?

The Tea Weasel® said:
Umm, not for nothing, but I had to get a birth certificate from my state DOH and it looks like Barry’s COLB. Recently I was going thru some of my mom’s papers and found one of the photostat copies like you describe.
Why do you suppose the state gave me a COLB instead of a copy of what my mom had in her file. Is it all a vast left wing conspiracy? Maybe my actual birth certificate lists me as a Muslim (it doesn’t even mention religion, actually). Maybe, just cause you wanna believe Barry is different from other Americans, you will refuse to face facts. But that’s OK, America has always had its share of people out of touch with reality, and you can be a proud member of that group.
I just hope the birther movement has enough steam to keep going thru 2012. It’s the Obama 2012 Secret Weapon.

PS: Shep was just trying to save the Republicans from themselves, but they refuse to believe.

Or better yet, have Obama issue an executive order stating that the Hospital that he was born in has permission to make his birth document official. That would prove the hospital and physician issue alone and the issue is put to bed.

There is a concerted effort to shut down free speech by MSM! Hang a man why don’t you for doubt!

skoorbekim said:
first 3 numbers are the Area #’s… 1961 SS #’s issued based on state of residence…
local SS offices handle the case load…
Why would Obama’s mom wait so many years before asking for his SSN?

What’s the SS issue? I don’t really pay attention to all of it. I just hear bits and pieces all over. I just think that clarification from the actual hospital and actual doctor would put it to rest.

WCinWI said:
What’s the SS issue? I don’t really pay attention to all of it. I just hear bits and pieces all over. I just think that clarification from the actual hospital and actual doctor would put it to rest.

TP: Obama’s certified Social Security Number, 042-68-4425, according to his selective service card filled out in July 1980, was originally issued to a Jean Paul Ludwig of Connecticut in 1977. Jean Paul Ludwig was born in 1890 and died in either Hawaii or California in 1981 having two social security numbers issued to him.
Q: Is there anyone who argues that President Obama’s Social Security Number is not 042-68-4425?
TP: The first three digits of a Social Security Number are called the Area Number. (Prior to 1972 the area number represented the state in which the card was issued. After 1972 the area number was based on zip codes of the mailing address provided.) Connecticut’s area numbers range from 040-049; Hawaii’s area numbers range from 575-576.
TP: Obama’s maternal mother Madelyn Dunham worked part-time at the Probate Office of the Honolulu Courthouse that has access to death notices and social security numbers.

WCinWI said:
I don’t care what Obama’s religion is. I believe he’s agnostic or atheist. One of the two. That’s a non-issue for me. I just prefer transparency. The Governor of the state of Hawaii said that he saw Obama’s BC. Therefore, one exists and until it’s produced in copy form, it’s going to be an issue.

Shep won’t save anything for Republicans since he isn’t one. As I said, produce the documentation and the issue is dropped.

No, he never saw it. He can’t because it’s against the law. Obama can’t produce it in copy form. It’s against the law. He was given a COLB, which is what everyone gets. The state of Hawaii validates its authenticity.

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/01/22/hawaii-law-bars-release-of-obama-birth-certificate/

It just….never…..ends. Oh by the way, Obama got all C’s and D’s in college.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2636781/posts

I bet he got some amazing yay back in his day.

im_lovin_it said:
No, he never saw it. He can’t because it’s against the law.

why can others who were born the same week in Honolulu release theirs?

Colorado_Conservative said:
Which hospital does it list?
What is the name of the doctor?
Why does it say his fathers race is “African”?

Oh thats right….That was a “certification of live birth”, which anyone can get and can’t even be used to sign little Johnny up for pee wee baseball, and not the legitimate long form birth certificate.

Sounds like Shep has been getting his misinformation from Bill O’Really!!

False. You can use it to join pee wee baseball and, get a United States passport. And it can even be used by the Secret Service and the Federal Election Commission to verify him for the office. Don’t like the guy’s policies? Fine. But join us back on planet earth please. You can use your birth certificate to verify that you are, in fact, an earthling. Because the rest of us have doubts.

Roger only allowed him to say that because Shep w2as thyreatening to hold his breath until he passed out again.

Ask the other on air personalities and I bet you don’t get the same answer.

im_lovin_it said:
No, he never saw it. He can’t because it’s against the law. Obama can’t produce it in copy form. It’s against the law. He was given a COLB, which is what everyone gets. The state of Hawaii validates its authenticity.

http://www.aolnews.com/2011/01/22/hawaii-law-bars-release-of-obama-birth-certificate/

It just….never…..ends. Oh by the way, Obama got all C’s and D’s in college.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2636781/posts

I bet he got some amazing yay back in his day.

Ok, so who was the physician that assisted with his birth and what’s the situation with the SS?

WCinWI said:
Or better yet, have Obama issue an executive order stating that the Hospital that he was born in has permission to make his birth document official. That would prove the hospital and physician issue alone and the issue is put to bed.

Or better yet, Barry should just let this issue keep simmering as a distraction for the GOP. It can only help him, and his political strategists wake up each morning with new ideas on how to keep people (like you) dividing your own party.

Keep up the good work WC. Just remember the mantra “obama born in kenya” and you’ll make the guys over at the DNC very, very happy.

RogerAilesIsSexy said:
False. You can use it to join pee wee baseball and, get a United States passport. And it can even be used by the Secret Service and the Federal Election Commission to verify him for the office. Don’t like the guy’s policies? Fine. But join us back on planet earth please. You can use your birth certificate to verify that you are, in fact, an earthling. Because the rest of us have doubts.

I would prefer a document that wasn’t just a printout and instead had the signature of a physician.

skoorbekim said:
why can others who were born the same week in Honolulu release theirs?

http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/Obamas_birth_is_easily_verified_but_few_choose_to_do_so.html

The Tea Weasel® said:
Or better yet, Barry should just let this issue keep simmering as a distraction for the GOP. It can only help him, and his political strategists wake up each morning with new ideas on how to keep people (like you) dividing your own party.

Keep up the good work WC. Just remember the mantra “obama born in kenya” and you’ll make the guys over at the DNC very, very happy.

No, Obama was born in Hawaii. I just wish to know who his practicing physician was. I tend to lean towards the legality of issues and the legal world likes to deal with paper trails. Hence, if a document was produced from the hospital to show that X was the practicing physician, that would be more than adequate.

A shoe will beat Obama. Count it. :)

skoorbekim said:
why can others who were born the same week in Honolulu release theirs?

Because they had copies of the BC made before the new law took effect. I have a copy of my original BC my mother had made. I cannot get a copy from my state like my mom’s copy, only a COLB.

I swear its amazing some people’s inability to grasp simple logic.

WCinWI said:
Ok, so who was the physician that assisted with his birth and what’s the situation with the SS?

And one for you……

http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/Obamas_birth_is_easily_verified_but_few_choose_to_do_so.html

WCinWI said:
No, Obama was born in Hawaii. I just wish to know who his practicing physician was. I tend to lean towards the legality of issues and the legal world likes to deal with paper trails. Hence, if a document was produced from the hospital to show that X was the practicing physician, that would be more than adequate.

A shoe will beat Obama. Count it. :)

His practicing physician was Satan. Happy now?

Unfortunately all the Republicans have to run against Barry is a well-chewed slipper. Not worried.

Moving goal posts. Always moving.

Everything you say he’s done is impeachable. Maybe instead of posting here all day you should spend your time getting one of the patriotic new members of the House to draw up articles?

Call me when that is done. Until then. Yawn.

Once again, as usual, like always, Shep is carrying Obama’s water, again.

Sept. 1st 2008 – Obama’s own cabinet member, Gov. Bill Richardson slips at the Democratic National Convention in Denver, Colorado and tells TV viewers that “Barack Obama is an immigrant…he is one of us…”

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wba6LUpeadk&feature=related

With this bold proclamation, I think that Shep is vying for Katie Couric’s anchor chair.

The Tea Weasel® said:
His practicing physician was Satan. Happy now?

Unfortunately all the Republicans have to run against Barry is a well-chewed slipper. Not worried.

That would be Dr. Satan. A noted physician in the House of 1000 Corpses. Sounds like a great place for a demonic socialist czar-monger like Obama to be born.

im_lovin_it said:
And one for you……

http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/Obamas_birth_is_easily_verified_but_few_choose_to_do_so.html

I’m not contesting his birth. :) Nice try at a straw man argument though.

im_lovin_it said:
http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/Obamas_birth_is_easily_verified_but_few_choose_to_do_so.html

Form 1 of Birth only required on relative’s signature to notify the Office of Vital Records he was born…
again… I accept he was born in Hawaii…

WCinWI said:
Or better yet, have Obama issue an executive order stating that the Hospital that he was born in has permission to make his birth document official. That would prove the hospital and physician issue alone and the issue is put to bed.

or better yet, he could do nothing and let fruitcakes like yourself, who are not going to vote for him no matter what, continue to act like a toddler who needs her diaper change,

The Tea Weasel® said:
Because they had copies of the BC made before the new law took effect. I have a copy of my original BC my mother had made. I cannot get a copy from my state like my mom’s copy, only a COLB.

I swear its amazing some people’s inability to grasp simple logic.

So then issue an executive order stating that Obama could release the name of the practicing physician that is listed on official hospital records. That should be easy to do.

As I said, seeing the reports for his election campaign donations and his legal papers is of more interest to me. :)

The Tea Weasel® said:
Because they had copies of the BC made before the new law took effect. I have a copy of my original BC my mother had made. I cannot get a copy from my state like my mom’s copy, only a COLB.

FOIA?
CNN said it would apply…

ChiliPeppersFan said:
or better yet, he could do nothing and let fruitcakes like yourself, who are not going to vote for him no matter what, continue to act like a toddler who needs her diaper change,

Sure – he could continue to do so. :) I just happen to like truthful politicians. It’d be better for him to be honest and come out with the BC and to come out and say that he’s not a religious guy. That’s all. Apparently, being transparent isn’t that important to ya.

WCinWI said:
I’m not contesting his birth. :) Nice try at a straw man argument though.

skoorbekim said:
Form 1 of Birth only required on relative’s signature to notify the Office of Vital Records he was born…
again… I accept he was born in Hawaii…

You guys are hilarious. We think he was born here. We just want to know who the doctor was that day. Really? Is that really your point?

im_lovin_it said:
And one for you……

http://www.staradvertiser.com/news/breaking/Obamas_birth_is_easily_verified_but_few_choose_to_do_so.html

someone already did this…where the hell was that? oh yea!
http://www.mediaite.com/tv/how-to-interview-donald-trump-the-birther-debunkers-guide-to-the-universe/

im_lovin_it said:
You guys are hilarious. We think he was born here. We just want to know who the doctor was that day. Really? Is that really your point?

If you were born during a holiday vacation to Canada, would you be a Canadian citizen?

ChiliPeppersFan said:
or better yet, he could do nothing and let fruitcakes like yourself, who are not going to vote for him no matter what, continue to act like a toddler who needs her diaper change,

So, you’re saying that Bush could have done something to get your vote last time he ran? Why don’t you think before you post?

skoorbekim said:
Form 1 of Birth only required on relative’s signature to notify the Office of Vital Records he was born…
again… I accept he was born in Hawaii…

Belling’s book angle is the one that has the most appeal to me. Apparently his mom was young and a liberal and so there may not be someone listed or some other person that his actual father could be listed. I think that makes the most logical sense. Who knows – like I said, if he’s just not a religious dude come out with it. Same with the BC.

WCinWI said:
So then issue an executive order stating that Obama could release the name of the practicing physician that is listed on official hospital records. That should be easy to do.

As I said, seeing the reports for his election campaign donations and his legal papers is of more interest to me. :)

Maybe Barry is not the least bit interested in tamping down the stupidity in the GOP. It does play in his favor. The smarter members of the GOP have wonder what has happened to the Grand Old Party.

As for the reports, just trundle your narrow ass on over to the FEC and start researching. Maybe you can find the mythical Obama Silver Bullet in there.

WCinWI said:
Sure – he could continue to do so. :) I just happen to like truthful politicians. It’d be better for him to be honest and come out with the BC and to come out and say that he’s not a religious guy. That’s all. Apparently, being transparent isn’t that important to ya.

this whole thing has got me laughing hysterically, but just for the hell of it, what makes you think he is either agnostic or an atheist?

WCinWI said:
I think that makes the most logical sense. Who knows – like I said, if he’s just not a religious dude come out with it. Same with the BC.

There is also the British National aspect…

im_lovin_it said:
You guys are hilarious. We think he was born here. We just want to know who the doctor was that day. Really? Is that really your point?

Since I’ve seen that on multiple BCs that’d be a nice starting point. I think most people want to know about his father. That’s the main issue now. I’d like to see the name of his mother and father on the BC. Who cares what religion he is? He’s agnostic or an atheist.

WCinWI said:
Sure – he could continue to do so. :) I just happen to like truthful politicians..

A) what exactly is dishonest about him ignoring you? Maybe he likes his privacy, as do I?

B) Truthful politicians. Isn’t that what they call one of those….ummm….oxymorons?

skoorbekim said:
If you were born during a holiday vacation to Canada, would you be a Canadian citizen?

What are you talking about? Canada, eh?!?! Again, if you believe he was born in Hawaii and is eligible, what else is there?

Jaurez said:
So, you’re saying that Bush could have done something to get your vote last time he ran? Why don’t you think before you post?

I’d vote for Gary Johnson in 2012 if he can show me he won’t totally abandon the poor and middle class.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
this whole thing has got me laughing hysterically, but just for the hell of it, what makes you think he is either agnostic or an atheist?

Too many reasons to list on why he’s an agnostic or atheist person.

skoorbekim said:
Many birthers acknowledge Obama was born in Hawaii…
We just want to know why he refuses to show the BC…
Doth protest too much?

If that’s the case, the legality of his Presidency is not an issue to you and the answer is, none of your business.

The Tea Weasel® said:
Maybe he likes his privacy,

He’s POTUS…

WCinWI said:
Since I’ve seen that on multiple BCs that’d be a nice starting point. I think most people want to know about his father. That’s the main issue now. I’d like to see the name of his mother and father on the BC. Who cares what religion he is? He’s agnostic or an atheist.

If you believe he was born in Hawaii and is eligible for presidency, why do you want to know these other things? His father? His grades? Who the doctor was?

You keep saying Obama’s defeat is certain. Well, with people like you running around, his re-election is certain.

Did it occur to Shphard that there are likely millions of citizens of the US that are ineligible to serve in the office of POTUS?

Here’s a guy is throwing in for Obama 1000%, but watches as a CNN investigator exposes exactly nothing.
It is amazing that they can get people with a straight face to explain that the reason the white house will not allow acess to the original is because there will still be someone who doesn’t believe. That is the answer! I’m not kidding!
After being told that, I would think the interviewer might drop back to maybe 999 9/10%. but no it’s still 1000% but with an incredulous look on his face. Yeah that’s 1000% alright.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/04/25/birthers.obama.hawaii/index.html?hpt=C1

The Tea Weasel® said:
A) what exactly is dishonest about him ignoring you? Maybe he likes his privacy, as do I?

B) Truthful politicians. Isn’t that what they call one of those….ummm….oxymorons?

A) When it comes out eventually that he’s not who he says he is, I’ll be smiling and you’ll be dumbfounded. I try to be fair on issues.

B) Only the D’s my friend….some R’s….but mostly D’s….

skoorbekim said:
why can others who were born the same week in Honolulu release theirs?

Because they have their original copies. Lots of people don’t. Obama is a good candidate for being one of them.

What’s the source of Obama’s SSN? How do we know he’s used that number? Or that it belongs to the other guy?

im_lovin_it said:
What are you talking about? Canada, eh?!?! Again, if you believe he was born in Hawaii and is eligible, what else is there?

answer my question [please]…
if your father and mother were vacationing in Canada/Mexico when you were born, would you be a Canadian/Mexican citizen?

Pablo said:
What’s the source of Obama’s SSN? How do we know he’s used that number?

Obama used it on his 1981 selective service card…

Nacho said:
If that’s the case, the legality of his Presidency is not an issue to you and the answer is, none of your business.

Actually, Birthers are contesting a more major issue: Obama’s legacy.

murphy0071 said:
The facts surrounding President Obama’s birth have been known for years. He was clearly born in Honolulu, Hawaii and no where else.

That is not the issue — only a handful of nutcases think he was born in another country.

Also, in a majority of states including Hawaii, following an adoption the original birth certificate is locked away and only a court order can allow it to be released. (Good luck with that, Donald Trump)

The issue, therefore, has been the name on the amended birth certificate — whether it says Barack Hussein Obama II or Barry Soetoro. As far as I know, it is legal for a person to resume using his or her birth name, even if there is an amended birth certificate on file that shows a different name.

The only question remaining for me would be, whether Mr Obama was ever asked to swear that he’d never been known by a different name. For instance, when he applied for a license to practice law in the State of Illinois, did he swear truthfully or not?

If not, then this might be a source of embarrassment, but that is all. I doubt that the Illinois Bar Association will make an issue of this technical detail.

EVEN BECK WEIGHS IN ON THE BC …. AND TRUMP!

“Beck pointed out that Trump hangs out the same circles as Soros, “However they donate to the same candidates and entities such as DSCC. In December 2009, The New York Post mentioned a private party hosted by Nouriel Roubini including Oliver Stone, George Soros, and Donald Trump.” The Beck crew pointed out that Trump keeps interesting company for a Tea Party candidate…Anybody else find it odd that he would say let’s get off of George Soros, because he’s at the money level and power player enough to know how much that kind of money can make a difference.”

“Beck and company attacked Trump’s birtherism, “His whole campaign is based on the whole birther nonsense. Pat then brought up the AP story that noted that no Trump investigators have been seen in Hawaii, “Apparently, the short is all that Hawaii ever releases for anyone…including the President. They then kept hammering at Trump’s birtherism, “For him to release his own birth certificate, you would have to be advocating for him to be above the law. You cannot. They can’t release it. Even to the president. He can examine it himself there. Would you believe him if he examined it and said it looked real? Would ya? I’d love to see that.”

OOPS! ….

im_lovin_it said:
If you believe he was born in Hawaii and is eligible for presidency, why do you want to know these other things? His father? His grades? Who the doctor was?

You keep saying Obama’s defeat is certain. Well, with people like you running around, his re-election is certain.

I never said that I’m 100% certain that he’s eligible for Presidency. That’s why an actual BC would take care of this issue.

WHarropson said:
It is amazing that they can get people with a straight face to explain that the reason the white house will not allow acess to the original is because there will still be someone who doesn’t believe.

The White House doesn’t control the original, nor is it subject to federal law. It is the property of the State of Hawaii.

skoorbekim said:
answer my question [please]…
if your father and mother were vacationing in Canada/Mexico when you were born, would you be a Canadian/Mexican citizen?

I’d be my mom and dad’s baby boy, son of an Irish dad, and an American mom and carry both an American passport and an Irish one.

skoorbekim said:
answer my question [please]…
if your father and mother were vacationing in Canada/Mexico when you were born, would you be a Canadian/Mexican citizen?

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/28/us/politics/28mccain.html

And now….

im_lovin_it said:
You guys are hilarious. We think he was born here. We just want to know who the doctor was that day. Really? Is that really your point?

Jaurez said:
So, you’re saying that Bush could have done something to get your vote last time he ran? Why don’t you think before you post?

the difference being bush lied and thousands of americans and hundreds of thousands iraqis died because he was withholding documents. and that comparison is only useful if you believe obaman is hiding something.

im_lovin_it said:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/28/us/politics/28mccain.html
And now….

If you are born on US military installation….
Senate Resolution 511 of April 2008 declared McCain eligible

Sept. 1st 2008 – Obama’s own cabinet member, Gov. Bill Richardson slips at the Democratic National Convention in Denver, Colorado and tells TV viewers that “Barack Obama is an immigrant…he is one of us…”
See latest post

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s5OUdj_YIpo

The Tea Weasel® said:
I’d be my mom and dad’s baby boy, son of an Irish dad, and an American mom and carry both an American passport and an Irish one.

so not a Canadian citizen?

im_lovin_it said:
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/02/28/us/politics/28mccain.html

And now….

Answer his question.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
the difference being bush lied and thousands of americans and hundreds of thousands iraqis died because he was withholding documents. and that comparison is only useful if you believe obaman is hiding something.

What’s behind the white-out on the cert? Where’s his thesis? Where’s his grades? Case closed. He’s hiding a lot.

WHarropson said:
It is amazing that they can get people with a straight face to explain that the reason the white house will not allow acess to the original is because there will still be someone who doesn’t believe.

The White House cannot allow access to it. It is not under their control, nor is it subject to their decree. It is not Obama’s property. It belongs to the State of Hawaii. Everything you need to know about the status of that document can be found here:

http://hawaii.gov/health/vital-records/obama.html

Shepard Smith should be THROWN OFF THE AIR. What a deceptive person!! Does he really think that his statement is the end-all of this issue? What a fool……………………..

It is common knowledge that Obama has NO BIRTH CERTIFICATE on File in Hawaii. Tim Adams, the 2008 Chief Elections clerk for Hawaii, researched all of Hawaii’s records to verify Obama’s citizenship and stated: “THERE IS NO BIRTH CERTIFICATE FOR OBAMA”, in addition, he stated that his boss said there was “NO BIRTH CERTIFICATE FOR OBAMA”, and that everyone working there “KNEW IT”. He also stated there were “NO HOSPITAL RECORDS FOR OBAMA”. These are THE facts — has anyone read the new handbook The Obama Birth Certificate Question? If not, it has a question and answer format and factually answers the most important questions regarding the Obama birth certificate and his eligibility to be President. There are 15 questions and answers and there are documents in it too. I wish everyone would get the FACTS — we are SO TIRED of hearing about 2 newspaper birth announcements made 8 days later, with no details of WHERE he was born, and giving a false address, that mean NOTHING. What about, then, the newspaper ARTICLES before the 2008 election that stated Obama was “KENYAN-BORN”?????????

WCinWI said:
Too many reasons to list on why he’s an agnostic or atheist person.

please…just a couple.

When I say “Birth Certificate” — it means LONG FORM birth certificate — just for clarity………

Pablo said:
The White House cannot allow access to it. It is not under their control, nor is it subject to their decree. It is not Obama’s property. It belongs to the State of Hawaii

Than why have one if nobody can see it?
CNN claims that a FOIA could release it…

skoorbekim said:
so not a Canadian citizen?

At the very least, Obama could make a statement and say “I don’t have my original BC because of X and this is the only document that I’ve got.” I’d give him some credibility there. But until there is an actual birth certificate OR documentation from a hospital record that X doctor provided assistance, there’s not going to be any end game.

Which is why to me, his religion or birth place doesn’t matter. He’ll lose on gas prices alone – which will be traced back to his own words. :)

skoorbekim said:
so not a Canadian citizen?

Let’s see..Irish passport…check, American passport…check…..Canadian passport…………………………………………………………………………………………………..nope. Not Canadian.

as a tried and true conservative I continue to be amazed at the few conservatives and the many liberals who keep this issue alive…let’s move on to the more crtical issues of our country growing increasingly more socialist in its governance under Obama. Today’s USA Today notes that we are at the highest level of ‘dependancy on the state’ in our history (with New York at the head of the pack in entitlements — no surprise…with California and other left-leaning – and liberal voting states close behind!)

Just look at the pattern…

Bill O’Reilly has come out strongly against the Trump birther campaign
Glenn Beck has dismissed Trump, even laughed at him
Greg Gutfeld of RedEye has announced that no one should take Trump seriously
Shep Smith of Fox News is strongly coming out against the Trump birther nonsense.
Etc.

But over at MSNBC they run at least one Trump / birther segment every hour.

This just goes to prove the point I have been making from the get-go….The liberal media is the main force in keeping this Trump birther garbage in the headlines as a big story. They pretend mock outrage that the story won’t go away, and then run another story on it…hour after hour, night after night, week after week. Trump gets ten times as much coverage from the liberal media as all the other candidates combined.

And why? Well, that’s easy to explain. The liberal afraid is DEATHLY AFRAID of dealing with the real issues of the day — stagnant economy, chronic unemployment, out-of-control deficits, a failed military policy, a porous border, etc. They need something they can defend about Obama, and THE ONLY THING they can come up with his place of birth. So don’t expect the liberal media to give up on this story any time soon.

Jay Ray said:
When I say “Birth Certificate” — it means LONG FORM birth certificate — just for clarity………

Oh we know what you mean *wink wink*. I have heard rumors about Obama’s “long form” too. Michelle seems quite happy with his “long form”, but I have to ask….why are you so concerned with his “long form”.

The Tea Weasel® said:
Let’s see..Irish passport…check, American passport…check…..Canadian passport…………………………………………………………………………………………………..nope. Not Canadian.

well, well, well…
so if Canadian parents made a weekend trip to Buffalo and had their child in the great city of Buffalo, would the child be a US citizen?

skoorbekim said:
Than why have one if nobody can see it?
CNN claims that a FOIA could release it…

Nobody needs to see it. They issue perfectly legal certifications of birth. Lots of people get them and use them to prove their citizenship.

CNN is wrong. Those records are exempt from FOIA.

Shep didn’t say “naturalized citizen.”
Period.

Pablo said:
CNN is wrong. Those records are exempt from FOIA.

CNN Birthers///////////////////////////

felixw said:
Just look at the pattern…

Bill O’Reilly has come out strongly against the Trump birther campaign
Glenn Beck has dismissed Trump, even laughed at him
Greg Gutfeld of RedEye has announced that no one should take Trump seriously
Shep Smith of Fox News is strongly coming out against the Trump birther nonsense.
Etc.

But over at MSNBC they run at least one Trump / birther segment every hour.

This just goes to prove the point I have been making from the get-go….The liberal media is the main force in keeping this Trump birther garbage in the headlines as a big story. They pretend mock outrage that the story won’t go away, and then run another story on it…hour after hour, night after night, week after week. Trump gets ten times as much coverage from the liberal media as all the other candidates combined.

And why? Well, that’s easy to explain. The liberal afraid is DEATHLY AFRAID of dealing with the real issues of the day — stagnant economy, chronic unemployment, out-of-control deficits, a failed military policy, a porous border, etc. They need something they can defend about Obama, and THE ONLY THING they can come up with his place of birth. So don’t expect the liberal media to give up on this story any time soon.

And yet here you are, helping to keep the birther nonsense alive. Good job.

skoorbekim said:
Obama used it on his 1981 selective service card…

Where is there a clean copy of that documet? Everything I’m seeing has the SSN blacked out, which is the only way I can see them releasing it. They do not pass people’s SSN’s out. They’re virtually always redacted.

skoorbekim said:
well, well, well…
so if Canadian parents made a weekend trip to Buffalo and had their child in the great city of Buffalo, would the child be a US citizen?

He would be a Canadian Anchor Baby and root for the Bills.

Fox has sold out the Tea Party!
Just another “mainstream media outlet.”
Obama is an alien, of sorts. ; )

This is so sad. Who cares what Shepard Smith says? Mediaite looks pretty desperate here. This is like middle school not at all like a news source. Anyone ever notice Shep can’t even read a teleprompter? And how about that bear on the trampoline? A real professional he.

skoorbekim said:
why can others who were born the same week in Honolulu release theirs?

They can? Lets see theirs. Do you have a link?

mickeymat said:
This is so sad. Who cares what Shepard Smith says? Mediaite looks pretty desperate here. This is like middle school not at all like a news source. Anyone ever notice Shep can’t even read a teleprompter? And how about that bear on the trampoline? A real professional he.

Here ya go, some more Teaflogger Scorched Earth policy… If you aren’t with us…you are dead to us.

mickeymat said:
This is so sad. Who cares what Shepard Smith says? Mediaite looks pretty desperate here. This is like middle school not at all like a news source. Anyone ever notice Shep can’t even read a teleprompter? And how about that bear on the trampoline? A real professional he.

This is the definition of a weak argument.

Nacho said:
They can? Lets see theirs. Do you have a link?

This has been explained to Mike, but he does not seem to be able to grasp the explanation.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
please…just a couple.

No need to – religion is not an issue this election cycle. :) I think Coulter said that months ago she thought he was one or the either. I don’t know if she made a decision as to which. I didn’t believe it then, but now I do. Too many signs point to that case.

skoorbekim said:
If you are born on US military installation….
Senate Resolution 511 of April 2008 declared McCain eligible

Yeah. If you are born in Hawaii you are a Hawaiian, right?

WCinWI said:
Answer his question.

Ohh! Why how direct of you!

im_lovin_it said:
Yeah. If you are born in Hawaii you are a Hawaiian, right?

Ohh! Why how direct of you!

Sure, but is he natural born?

Nacho said:
They can? Lets see theirs. Do you have a link?

http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=105347

I know it’s wnd… but still…

Grades-hidden

Thesis-hidden or never wrote one

College funding-unknown

SSN-ambiguous at best

Client list while practicing law-hidden

“Transparency!”

Shep Smith the most respected journalist at FOX according to MEDIAITE-MATTERS.
HAHAHAHA!
Bret Baier blows him out of the water in ratings and credibility.
Now for the facts:
1) Obama was born in Hawaii
2) Obama is afraid of what his real birth certificate will reveal about his father or religion
3) CNN, MSNBC and left wing shill sites like this one are far more obsessed with this issue than most conservatives. In truth, we want him out because of his deep disdain for everything this country represents. Its traditions, history and freedoms.

im_lovin_it said:
Yeah. If you are born in Hawaii you are a Hawaiian, right?

what if his father was a British citizen?

Prince in the House of Saud born in Manhattan is still a Saudi citizen…

skoorbekim said:
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=105347

I know it’s wnd… but still…

The Tea Weasel® said:
Because they had copies of the BC made before the new law took effect. I have a copy of my original BC my mother had made. I cannot get a copy from my state like my mom’s copy, only a COLB.

I swear its amazing some people’s inability to grasp simple logic.

im_lovin_it said:
Yeah. If you are born in Hawaii you are a Hawaiian, right?

Ohh! Why how direct of you!

Why are you against Obama doing either of two things?

1. Releasing the original COB.
2. If COB doesn’t exist, variety of reasons, then state that he doesn’t have one.

I think it’s poor journalism that the connections that are legitimate, are being brushed over like they’re nothing. As I said, the legal world likes to deal with hard facts. Perhaps these facts exist, but if they do, they don’t exist in the land of public opinion where elections are decided.

I’d merely like to see the COB for historical sake anyways. The COB could verify or dismiss the book that “he” wrote.

AmeriCuda said:
Shep Smith the most respected journalist at FOX according to MEDIAITE-MATTERS.
HAHAHAHA!
Bret Baier blows him out of the water in ratings and credibility.
Now for the facts:
1) Obama was born in Hawaii
2) Obama is afraid of what his real birth certificate will reveal about his father or religion
3) CNN, MSNBC and left wing shill sites like this one are far more obsessed with this issue than most conservatives. In truth, we want him out because of his deep disdain for everything this country represents. Its traditions, history and freedoms.

1) True
2) False
3) False

Thanks for playing!

Jay Ray said:
It is common knowledge that Obama has NO BIRTH CERTIFICATE on File in Hawaii. Tim Adams, the 2008 Chief Elections clerk for Hawaii, researched all of Hawaii’s records to verify Obama’s citizenship and stated: “THERE IS NO BIRTH CERTIFICATE FOR OBAMA”, in addition, he stated that his boss said there was “NO BIRTH CERTIFICATE FOR OBAMA”, and that everyone working there “KNEW IT”. He also stated there were “NO HOSPITAL RECORDS FOR OBAMA”. These are THE facts — has anyone read the new handbook The Obama Birth Certificate Question? If not, it has a question and answer format and factually answers the most important questions regarding the Obama birth certificate and his eligibility to be President. There are 15 questions and answers and there are documents in it too. I wish everyone would get the FACTS — we are SO TIRED of hearing about 2 newspaper birth announcements made 8 days later, with no details of WHERE he was born, and giving a false address, that mean NOTHING. What about, then, the newspaper ARTICLES before the 2008 election that stated Obama was “KENYAN-BORN”?????????

so now you just want to lie about stuff? you guys are a joke, really.

Honolulu confirms Adams employment

by DR. CONSPIRACY on JUNE 10, 2010 in BIRTH CERTIFICATE, TIM ADAMS

This is a followup to my report on the Tim Adams radio appearance.

In an email reply, the Secretary of the City Clerk’s office for the City and County of Honolulu (the office that contains the Elections division) told me:

Our records indicate that Mr. Adams was employed in a clerical position as an Elections Clerk. Our office does not have access to birth records. Birth records are handled by the State of Hawaii, Department of Health.

Tim Adams never claimed to have access to birth records, and this confirms that he didn’t, which makes it all the more improbable that Adams knew that Barack Obama “had no long form birth certificate.”

I’m not publishing the name of the secretary who replied to me possibly to reduce the number of additional emails she gets with the same question.
http://www.obamaconspiracy.org/2010/06/honolulu-confirms-adams-employment/

WCinWI said:
No need to – religion is not an issue this election cycle. :) I think Coulter said that months ago she thought he was one or the either. I don’t know if she made a decision as to which. I didn’t believe it then, but now I do. Too many signs point to that case.

“Ann Coulter told me so”

WCinWI said:
Why are you against Obama doing either of two things?

1. Releasing the original COB.
2. If COB doesn’t exist, variety of reasons, then state that he doesn’t have one.

I think it’s poor journalism that the connections that are legitimate, are being brushed over like they’re nothing. As I said, the legal world likes to deal with hard facts. Perhaps these facts exist, but if they do, they don’t exist in the land of public opinion where elections are decided.

I’d merely like to see the COB for historical sake anyways. The COB could verify or dismiss the book that “he” wrote.

You are like a dog with a bone. When people claim liberal are the ones keeping this going, I shall just point to you as evidence that liberals come in a distance third to you and you.

The Tea Weasel® said:
And yet here you are, helping to keep the birther nonsense alive. Good job.

Once again, when I criticize Trump, I get attacked by the liberals here. And by doing so, they just prove my point. They love Trump, and are doing everything possible to boost this buffoon’s visibility.

But it won’t work, and Obama will get thrashed in next year’s election because his supporters won’t engage on the economy, the deficit and real issues. Instead liberals live in a fantasy world in which the next election will be decided by a piece of paper in Hawaii. They are in for a rude surprise when they find the voters make decisions based on real issues, not ones manufactured by the liberal press.

The Tea Weasel® said:
You are like a dog with a bone. When people claim liberal are the ones keeping this going, I shall just point to you as evidence that liberals come in a distance third to you and you.

I don’t keep squat going. I comment on a part of American history that I find appalling. Simple as that. Honesty will come out eventually, one way or the other. :) There are far too many other issues (neocon Obama, gas regulator Obama, etc.) that will be his political demise.

skoorbekim said:
http://www.wnd.com/?pageId=105347

I know it’s wnd… but still…

That copy was released in 5-5-1966

Let’s see somebody get one that was released after 2007. That’s all it would take to call bullshit on that claim.

Anyone else here with a job? Some of you are way too prolific in your posting to be working.

Before you ask. I’m in outside sales and check this from my phone between appointments, mainly for grins.

1) True
2) False
3) False

Thanks for playing!
————

Msnbc told me so…

Nacho said:
“Ann Coulter told me so”

Actually, I don’t like Coulter overall. I think she can be ok at certain times, but overall not my cup o’ tea. I heard this when she was randomly on Hannity. :)

WCinWI said:
Why are you against Obama doing either of two things?

1. Releasing the original COB.
2. If COB doesn’t exist, variety of reasons, then state that he doesn’t have one.

I think it’s poor journalism that the connections that are legitimate, are being brushed over like they’re nothing. As I said, the legal world likes to deal with hard facts. Perhaps these facts exist, but if they do, they don’t exist in the land of public opinion where elections are decided.

I’d merely like to see the COB for historical sake anyways. The COB could verify or dismiss the book that “he” wrote.

I’m not against it. He can’t do it. You are making circular arguments. You keep saying how you have no doubts that he is eligible, yet you keep making all of these further issues. As someone posted awhile ago, the goalposts keep moving.

Is Obama a natural born? Well, what do you mean? Were you there when the Constitution was being written up? You agree he is native born, so he has citizenship by birth. Are you trying to say he still isn’t a natural born citizen? The argument is now that his dad wasn’t a citizen so he isn’t?

WCinWI said:
Why are you against Obama doing either of two things?

1. Releasing the original COB.
2. If COB doesn’t exist, variety of reasons, then state that he doesn’t have one.

It isn’t a matter of what we’re for or against. It’s a matter of what he needs to do, which is absolutely nothing. This is such a dead end road. Why should he do anything more than he’s already done which is release a perfectly legal proof of citizenship? They LOVE this stuff. Why do you think the MSM is pushing Trump as the new GOP star? Same reason they were selling us Huckabee last time.

It would not shock me to find that Trump is in on the gag. He has been working for Jeff Immelt for years now, hasn’t he. And MSNBC is The Birther Channel, is it not? Trump gets what he wants more than anything: attention. Obama gets a live grenade in the GOP primary field. It’s certainly plausible.

catfishjuggling said:
Anyone else here with a job? Some of you are way too prolific in your posting to be working.

Before you ask. I’m in outside sales and check this from my phone between appointments, mainly for grins.

I run a company in the morning and trade stocks and occasionally annoy WC in the afternoon. Mediaite is a guilty pleasure.

catfishjuggling said:
Anyone else here with a job? Some of you are way too prolific in your posting to be working.

Before you ask. I’m in outside sales and check this from my phone between appointments, mainly for grins.

I’m playing phone tag with state insurance companies. I love doing the nickel and dime dance with funding to keep a kid in treatment and away from their crazy parents. But hey, we’re all Taxed Enough Already, right?

Pablo said:
It isn’t a matter of what we’re for or against. It’s a matter of what he needs to do, which is absolutely nothing. This is such a dead end road. Why should he do anything more than he’s already done which is release a perfectly legal proof of citizenship? They LOVE this stuff. Why do you think the MSM is pushing Trump as the new GOP star? Same reason they were selling us Huckabee last time.

It would not shock me to find that Trump is in on the gag. He has been working for Jeff Immelt for years now, hasn’t he. And MSNBC is The Birther Channel, is it not? Trump gets what he wants more than anything: attention. Obama gets a live grenade in the GOP primary field. It’s certainly plausible.

Uh oh. Someone has twigged to the game. Get Carville on the phone.

felixw said:
Once again, when I criticize Trump, I get attacked by the liberals here. And by doing so, they just prove my point.

Who has attacked you for criticizing Trump?

You get responses for your extreme wingnut views and your tendentious support of FoxNews, not for criticizing Trump.

WCinWI said:
No need to – religion is not an issue this election cycle. :) I think Coulter said that months ago she thought he was one or the either. I don’t know if she made a decision as to which. I didn’t believe it then, but now I do. Too many signs point to that case.

no need to for nutsacks like you because you already have your mind made up. if you choose you use your own mind instead of parroting the likes of ann coulter you might learn something. you might even learn something from reading…not just spewing you right-wing bull…the articles posted here at mediaite.

Graham, unlike me, has spoken with the President about his beliefs, yet even I know that Graham’s statement is a falsehood:

So one Sunday, I put on one of the few clean jackets I had, and went over to Trinity United Church of Christ on 95th Street on the South Side of Chicago. And I heard Reverend Jeremiah A. Wright deliver a sermon called “The Audacity of Hope.” And during the course of that sermon, he introduced me to someone named Jesus Christ. I learned that my sins could be redeemed. I learned that those things I was too weak to accomplish myself, He would accomplish with me if I placed my trust in Him. And in time, I came to see faith as more than just a comfort to the weary or a hedge against death, but rather as an active, palpable agent in the world and in my own life.
It was because of these newfound understandings that I was finally able to walk down the aisle of Trinity one day and affirm my Christian faith. It came about as a choice, and not an epiphany. I didn’t fall out in church, as folks sometimes do. The questions I had didn’t magically disappear. The skeptical bent of my mind didn’t suddenly vanish. But kneeling beneath that cross on the South Side, I felt I heard God’s spirit beckoning me. I submitted myself to His will, and dedicated myself to discovering His truth and carrying out His works.
It seems like President Obama’s beliefs about what makes him a Christian line up pretty well with Graham’s, and certainly doesn’t rest his spiritual conversion on a membership card

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/msnbcs-lawrence-o%E2%80%99donnell-gets-owned-by-rev-franklin-graham-during-interview/

WCinWI said:
Actually, I don’t like Coulter overall. I think she can be ok at certain times, but overall not my cup o’ tea. I heard this when she was randomly on Hannity. :)

LOL, But that’s still why you think Obama is Atheist or Agnostic’ “Ann Coulter told me so”

im_lovin_it said:
I’m not against it. He can’t do it. You are making circular arguments. You keep saying how you have no doubts that he is eligible, yet you keep making all of these further issues. As someone posted awhile ago, the goalposts keep moving.

Is Obama a natural born? Well, what do you mean? Were you there when the Constitution was being written up? You agree he is native born, so he has citizenship by birth. Are you trying to say he still isn’t a natural born citizen? The argument is now that his dad wasn’t a citizen so he isn’t?

No – I believe that he was born in Hawaii. That has no effect on his natural birth status.

Nacho said:
LOL, But that’s still why you think Obama is Atheist or Agnostic’ “Ann Coulter told me so”

No – his action or inaction told me so.

WCinWI said:
WCinWI

in case your also lazy enough to skip that link, it was from tommy christopher.

skoorbekim said:
Prince in the House of Saud born in Manhattan is still a Saudi citizen…

That’s a foreign Prince. He’s not subject to US jurisdiction. A non royal Saudi child born in Manhattan would be a natural born US citizen. And they might also be a Saudi citizen, depending on Saudi law.

WCinWI said:
No – his action or inaction told me so.

please, for your own sake, read tc’s piece, it is worth it.

Pablo said:
It isn’t a matter of what we’re for or against. It’s a matter of what he needs to do, which is absolutely nothing. This is such a dead end road. Why should he do anything more than he’s already done which is release a perfectly legal proof of citizenship? They LOVE this stuff. Why do you think the MSM is pushing Trump as the new GOP star? Same reason they were selling us Huckabee last time.

It would not shock me to find that Trump is in on the gag. He has been working for Jeff Immelt for years now, hasn’t he. And MSNBC is The Birther Channel, is it not? Trump gets what he wants more than anything: attention. Obama gets a live grenade in the GOP primary field. It’s certainly plausible.

I totally get where you’re coming from. I believe that Trump is a plant. I like Trump as strictly a media personality, not as a GOP candidate. I am coming at the BC issue from a historical context type of issue more than anything else. I’m flummoxed why none of his grades, etc. have been looked into.

I volunteer politically. At the end of the day, this isn’t a topic that’s discussed out in the mainstream of every day politicking. It’s not an issue at the end of the day for me personally, but I think it deserves fair scrutiny in the online world and if it’s lucky enough to get a shed of light in the mainstream world. Awesome. If not, life moves on.

Candidate Obama didn’t have a record. President Obama does. He will fail on that alone. It won’t be easy, but it’s possible.

The Tea Weasel® said:
Uh oh. Someone has twigged to the game. Get Carville on the phone.

Meanwhile, they’re not talking about Libya, Afghanistan, the budget, gas prices, unemployment or the crashing dollar. Nor are we.

Pablo said:
A non royal Saudi child born in Manhattan would be a natural born US citizen

not if the parents did not want him to be…

ChiliPeppersFan said:
please, for your own sake, read tc’s piece, it is worth it.

Already did. It won’t change my personal opinion on the matter. We all are allowed our own views on religion – whether they exist or don’t exist. I fully believe that Obama is either agnostic or an atheist. His actions and inaction have proven this opinion to me. I don’t need some political commentary person telling me what is shown by words and action or inaction. Simple as that.

Plus, I give TC a lot of credit for being a true liberal. Many liberals can’t defend their talking points. I give O’Donnell credit for actually coming out and saying that he’s a socialist. Doesn’t mean I like the guy, but at least I can respect his honesty on the matter.

::::bealzebubba steps in::::

hey…just came to see what’s new…………nope. nothing. bye guys!!

::::bealzebubba steps out::::

WCinWI said:
Candidate Obama didn’t have a record. President Obama does. He will fail on that alone. It won’t be easy, but it’s possible.

Yup, except it may not be that hard. But a buffoon like Trump in the mix could be a very serious problem. Birthers will not take this guy down. They will not help to take this guy down. Historians will have fun with this, but we won’t. It’s a dead end.

WCinWI said:
I fully believe that Obama is either agnostic or an atheist.

Obama believes in Obama.

Pablo said:
Meanwhile, they’re not talking about Libya, Afghanistan, the budget, gas prices, unemployment or the crashing dollar. Nor are we.

That stuff is boring and hard. We want crazy!

Pablo said:
Meanwhile, they’re not talking about Libya, Afghanistan, the budget, gas prices, unemployment or the crashing dollar. Nor are we.

Busy on vacation, as Congress is wont to be….

Shepherd Smith, “the most respected newscaster”? You mean the guy that derives gratification from the hapless Bear on a trampoline, ad nauseum? NO, he is not respectable as he has been using that cruel gag for a year now. However, his news delivery is effective and, certainly, FOX news is the best.

As for the “Birth Certificate”: The fact that so many Politicos, Left and Right, are trying to convince me that all is copacetic, tells me, to be very wary as something is amiss. I don’t know that is, but our President could do the correct and simple thing, and solve this conundrum.

If our President cannot provide his bonafides, then, he should resign, immediately!

WCinWI said:
No – I believe that he was born in Hawaii. That has no effect on his natural birth status.

Are you asking if his mother had a Caesarian Section performed?
How would that affect his citizenship status?

skoorbekim said:
not if the parents did not want him to be…

The parents don’t get to decide. A child born in America (that is not one of a couple of very narrow exceptions relating to jurisdiction) is a US citizen. The 14th Amendment does not include a parental consent requirement.

Since Obama’s mother was an American, I think it’s safe to assume that Obama is a citizen; perhaps he has dual citizenship. We don’t need rocket science, or Shep, to conclude this for us. Where legitimate concern lies is, that if Obama was born in any other country, than the US, he isn’t eligible to run for US president. Period…. Lefties should stop trying to make this discussion into something it actually isn’t.

Pablo said:
Yup, except it may not be that hard. But a buffoon like Trump in the mix could be a very serious problem. Birthers will not take this guy down. They will not help to take this guy down. Historians will have fun with this, but we won’t. It’s a dead end.

I agree. That’s why up until recently, I don’t pay regards to anything Birther. I’m of the notion that you can’t turn back the clock on the issue until he’s out of office. I think Mitt, Pawlenty and Palin coming out against the Birther stuff is important. Capehart even came out as pro Palin for about 30 secs when she said that he was born in Hawaii.

There is no actual person that thinks Trump has any credibility in a GOP Field. Ron Paul has more chances of winning the nomination. Both Trump and RP are non-starters. The media is being fooled and it will be to their own detriment, not the GOP (if one still exists in 2012), that will lose.

The Tea Weasel® said:
I run a company in the morning and trade stocks and occasionally annoy WC in the afternoon. Mediaite is a guilty pleasure.

And I’m John Wayne.

Pablo said:
The parents don’t get to decide. A child born in America (that is not one of a couple of very narrow exceptions relating to jurisdiction) is a US citizen. The 14th Amendment does not include a parental consent requirement.

You are wrong…

The Tea Weasel® said:
Busy on vacation, as Congress is wont to be….

I’m referring to the News Holes.

Pablo said:
The parents don’t get to decide. A child born in America (that is not one of a couple of very narrow exceptions relating to jurisdiction) is a US citizen. The 14th Amendment does not include a parental consent requirement.

I think if clarity was provided to the 14th amendment, this could help matters out. There is a fraction of society that believes natural born pertains to mother-father and not born or not born in the US. I think that’s a fair assessment too.

skoorbekim said:
You are wrong…

OK. Prove it. What law or statute allows a parent to opt a child out of it’s natural American citizenship?

newzmaker said:
Since Obama’s mother was an American, I think it’s safe to assume that Obama is a citizen; perhaps he has dual citizenship. We don’t need rocket science, or Shep, to conclude this for us. Where legitimate concern lies is, that if Obama was born in any other country, than the US, he isn’t eligible to run for US president. Period…. Lefties should stop trying to make this discussion into something it actually isn’t.

You mean lefties like Donald Trump.

WCinWI said:
Pablo said:
Yup, except it may not be that hard. But a buffoon like Trump in the mix could be a very serious problem. Birthers will not take this guy down. They will not help to take this guy down. Historians will have fun with this, but we won’t. It’s a dead end.

I agree. That’s why up until recently, I don’t pay regards to anything Birther. I’m of the notion that you can’t turn back the clock on the issue until he’s out of office. I think Mitt, Pawlenty and Palin coming out against the Birther stuff is important. Capehart even came out as pro Palin for about 30 secs when she said that he was born in Hawaii.

There is no actual person that thinks Trump has any credibility in a GOP Field. Ron Paul has more chances of winning the nomination. Both Trump and RP are non-starters. The media is being fooled and it will be to their own detriment, not the GOP (if one still exists in 2012), that will lose.

That would be disappointing. I hope Trump gets the Repugnantcan nomination.

Pablo said:
OK. Prove it. What law or statute allows a parent to opt a child out of it’s natural American citizenship?

http://www.uniset.ca/naty/BNA1948.htm

http://books.google.com/books/download/A_treatise_on_the_foreign_powers_and_jur.pdf?id=1vqPAAAAMAAJ&hl=en&capid=AFLRE703VlN__gZO7PM7qo1meNiJAUIvLQ7HOibh8qMIstX1LBsHyOEdVk_6_LIbqA2VFowNLsRWFlMViZh3npt-2gF–DTIwg&continue=http://books.google.com/books/download/A_treatise_on_the_foreign_powers_and_jur.pdf%3Fid%3D1vqPAAAAMAAJ%26output%3Dpdf%26hl%3Den

WCinWI said:
I think if clarity was provided to the 14th amendment, this could help matters out.

The 14th is pretty clear on the subject:

Section 1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

The only way one can be born here and not be a US Citizen is if they fall under a jurisdiction exception which include foreign diplomats as well as some convoluted issue surrounding sovereign Indian nations. Set that jurisdiction clause aside and the language couldn’t be any clearer.

skoorbekim said:
http://www.uniset.ca/naty/BNA1948.htm

http://books.google.com/books/download/A_treatise_on_the_foreign_powers_and_jur.pdf?id=1vqPAAAAMAAJ&hl=en&capid=AFLRE703VlN__gZO7PM7qo1meNiJAUIvLQ7HOibh8qMIstX1LBsHyOEdVk_6_LIbqA2VFowNLsRWFlMViZh3npt-2gF–DTIwg&continue=http://books.google.com/books/download/A_treatise_on_the_foreign_powers_and_jur.pdf%3Fid%3D1vqPAAAAMAAJ%26output%3Dpdf%26hl%3Den

The British Crown does not set US citizenship rules. Sorry. You’ll need to find something in OUR laws, not Britain’s.

Pablo,
the 14th amendment does not force people to become US citizens… It is up to the parents…
Wong Kim Ark is a case in point…

Jaurez said:
And I’m John Wayne.

No. You are Jeff Merril, horse milker.

Actual facts, or anything disconfirming to their beliefs, will just make conspiracy theorists even crazier and more aggressive. It’s one of the traits of the behavior.

That, and they tend to watch Fox News and be dumb as a bag of hammers.

Pablo said:
The 14th is pretty clear on the subject:

The only way one can be born here and not be a US Citizen is if they fall under a jurisdiction exception which include foreign diplomats as well as some convoluted issue surrounding sovereign Indian nations. Set that jurisdiction clause aside and the language couldn’t be any clearer.

Except there are several historical people that think there is questioning in that word “naturalized” in the context of the Founders. I understand your view on the matter, however then you’re siding with a liberal talking point (which is entirely fair) when it comes to the Dream Act.

Skippy said:
No. You are Jeff Merril, horse milker.

Whatsamatta, tea weasel. Did I hit a nerve? Does that guy know you’re stalking him, still? Kinda weird. Hope he has lost of guns.

lots

Prom Night Dumpster Baby

your screen name is vile…

skoorbekim said:
Prom Night Dumpster Baby

your screen name is vile…

He’s your a-typical progressive.

skoorbekim said:
Pablo,
the 14th amendment does not force people to become US citizens… It is up to the parents…
Wong Kim Ark is a case in point…

How is it up to the parents? Show me.

Wong Kim Ark had nothing to do with his parents’ consent or objection. It had to do with the Chinese Exclusion Act. That law was struck down on the basis of the 14th, and Wong was found to be a citizen by virtue of having been born in the US. Holding:

“A child born in the United States, of parent[s] of Chinese descent, who, at the time of his birth, are subjects of the Emperor of China, but have a permanent domicil[e] and residence in the United States, and are there carrying on business, and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity under the Emperor of China, becomes at the time of his birth a citizen of the United States.”

That supports my argument, not yours.

Pablo said:
Wong Kim Ark had nothing to do with his parents’ consent or objection. It had to do with the Chinese Exclusion Act. That law was struck down on the basis of the 14th, and Wong was found to be a citizen by virtue of having been born in the US. Holding:

Wong Kim Ark involved the parents wanting the child to be a US citizen… Father had to prove he was in the country legally and owned property…
The child was not automatically a US citizen… If the father did not want the child to be a US citizen he would have remained a chinese national…

WCinWI said:
Except there are several historical people that think there is questioning in that word “naturalized” in the context of the Founders.

The Constitution has been amended as per the Founders instruction. That view now prevails. I think the 14th was poorly thought out, but it is the law and there is no question upon whom it bestows citizenship at birth.

WCinWI said:
Pablo said:
The parents don’t get to decide. A child born in America (that is not one of a couple of very narrow exceptions relating to jurisdiction) is a US citizen. The 14th Amendment does not include a parental consent requirement.

I think if clarity was provided to the 14th amendment, this could help matters out. There is a fraction of society that believes natural born pertains to mother-father and not born or not born in the US. I think that’s a fair assessment too.

Exactly, Paul. Many nations allow dual citizenship. The US technically does not. The child decides upon citizenship upon attaining majority, or not. The US assumes US citizenship if no decision is made.

skoorbekim said:
Wong Kim Ark involved the parents wanting the child to be a US citizen…

Wong was an adult at the time and his parents’ desire was irrelevant to the case. Wong wanted to be a citizen and his legal argument was that he was born here. He won. Period.

skoorbekim said:
The child was not automatically a US citizen…

Wong’s problem was the Chinese Exclusion Act, which was struck down by his case.

If the father did not want the child to be a US citizen he would have remained a chinese national…

Again, where do you find that? It isn’t in US v. Wong.

Pablo said:
WCinWI said:
Except there are several historical people that think there is questioning in that word “naturalized” in the context of the Founders.

The Constitution has been amended as per the Founders instruction. That view now prevails. I think the 14th was poorly thought out, but it is the law and there is no question upon whom it bestows citizenship at birth.

What an excellent answer. The 14th Amendment could be rescinded, of course, but that would likely cause more problems than it would solve, and it is highly unlikely that the rescinding amendment would pass the amending process.

What a stupid thing for Shep to say because only by revealing his birth certificate can Obummer prove where he was born. Actually, Fox News doesn’t have all that stellar a record of accuracy in reporting, and I think Shep Smith should shut-up.

Jaurez said:
Whatsamatta, tea weasel. Did I hit a nerve? Does that guy know you’re stalking him, still? Kinda weird. Hope he has lost of guns.

Jeffy,

I told you time and time again.

Your stupidity gives you away every single time. You are as transparent as Karen’s 5 yr old underwear.

Pablo said:
The Constitution has been amended as per the Founders instruction. That view now prevails. I think the 14th was poorly thought out, but it is the law and there is no question upon whom it bestows citizenship at birth.

So then you’re in favor of the Dream Act?

Pablo said:
Again, where do you find that? It isn’t in US v. Wong.

The father was in the country leagally and owned property in the US when Ark was born — this was a major consideration in the ruling…

Let us not lose track of the issue at hand… The US can not force a baby to be a US citizen if his father or mother do not wish him to be…

In other news, a new video out:

http://hotair.com/archives/2011/04/26/video-perusing-the-public-record-of-barack-obamas-life/

I really want to emphasize Pablo’s point about amendments. Framers’ intent does not factor in the interpretation of an amendment. To the extent interpretation factors in at all, you’d look and the intent of those proposing the amendment. Therein lies one of the pitfalls. Amendments should be rare and never merely for social policy, to which witness the prohibition amendment. Once you’ve got the amendment, however, it is the definitive law on the subject at hand.

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
14th Amendment could be rescinded, of course, but that would likely cause more problems than it would solve, and it is highly unlikely that the rescinding amendment would pass the amending process.

IMHO, they should have put a date limit on the birthright citizenship, similar to the exception in the POTUS qualifications that let those who were born British subjects be eligible…since just about everyone was at the time. They needed to settle the question for former slaves, but in doing so they left the door wide open for all of time.

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
Amendments should be rare and never merely for social policy, to which witness the prohibition amendment. Once you’ve got the amendment, however, it is the definitive law on the subject at hand.

They why they made them really, really hard to do. :)

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
Framers’ intent does not factor in the interpretation of an amendment.

?!
it has everything to do with it…

TristramShandy said:
What a stupid thing for Shep to say because only by revealing his birth certificate can Obummer prove where he was born. Actually, Fox News doesn’t have all that stellar a record of accuracy in reporting, and I think Shep Smith should shut-up.

He has “revealed” the definitive document used to sustain claims of citizenship.

Pablo said:
THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
14th Amendment could be rescinded, of course, but that would likely cause more problems than it would solve, and it is highly unlikely that the rescinding amendment would pass the amending process.

IMHO, they should have put a date limit on the birthright citizenship, similar to the exception in the POTUS qualifications that let those who were born British subjects be eligible…since just about everyone was at the time. They needed to settle the question for former slaves, but in doing so they left the door wide open for all of time.

That would have worked.

skoorbekim said:
THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
Framers’ intent does not factor in the interpretation of an amendment.

?!
it has everything to do with it…

Sorry, not for an amendment. You’re simply wrong.

skoorbekim said:
The father was in the country leagally and owned property in the US when Ark was born — this was a major consideration in the ruling…

Let us not lose track of the issue at hand… The US can not force a baby to be a US citizen if his father or mother do not wish him to be…

skoorbekim said:
The father was in the country leagally and owned property in the US when Ark was born — this was a major consideration in the ruling…

Let us not lose track of the issue at hand… The US can not force a baby to be a US citizen if his father or mother do not wish him to be…

Yes.

The issue here is how the birfhers are full of it, and now the racist POS birfhers want to embarrass themselves again demanding Obama’s college records. As if THAT were to disqualify him from the presidential office.

RACIST MORONS!

skoorbekim said:
Let us not lose track of the issue at hand… The US can not force a baby to be a US citizen if his father or mother do not wish him to be…

Yes, let’s not lose track of that. Show me the portion of the US Code or a SCOTUS holding that says a parent can opt it’s American born child out of it’s American citizenship. If that’s true, it must be written into law somewhere. Where is it?

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
Sorry, not for an amendment. You’re simply wrong.

Constitutional lawyers look at congressional debate to establish intent of the Amendments…

THE REAL ROYAL KING said:
Sorry, not for an amendment. You’re simply wrong.

Well, the first 10 are on the Founders. But for the rest, nope. The Framers would shit themselves over several of the newer ones.

Pablo said:
Yes, let’s not lose track of that. Show me the portion of the US Code or a SCOTUS holding that says a parent can opt it’s American born child out of it’s American citizenship. If that’s true, it must be written into law somewhere. Where is it?

Pablo,
I have greatly enjoyed our debate… but I have to go…
I will do some research on that question of foreign parents refusing their child’s US citizenship……
I also thank you for the Ark discussion, I brought it up based on memory and forget some of the more important details…
have a good day…

skoorbekim said:
Constitutional lawyers look at congressional debate to establish intent of the Amendments…

Right, which doesn’t involve the founders, excepting the first 10. No Founders were involved in drafting the 14th.

WCinWI said:
So then you’re in favor of the Dream Act?

I’m in favor of reading the plain language of the Amendment. The Dream Act refers to people not born here, doesn’t it? Kids who were brought here illegally and young? I don’t see how that plays into birthright citizenship.

Nacho said:
Who has attacked you for criticizing Trump?

You get responses for your extreme wingnut views and your tendentious support of FoxNews, not for criticizing Trump.

Whenever I put up a comment critical of Trump, I get attacked…by liberals, not conservatives. The pattern is overwhelming and obvious. And no surprise there, since this whole Trump birther nonsense is kept on the news because of liberals. The more liberal the outlet, the more attention they give to Trump. Anyone can see that.

The leftists can’t defend Obama’s failed agenda — it has been a total disaster and they know it — they can only defend his PLACE OF BIRTH. But I’m afraid that won’t help much in the election, where US citizenship is a requirement, not a qualification.

Coming to mediaite and seeing the senior editor say things like:

“The most respected newscaster at the most watched and dominant cable news ” makes me smile; finally mediaite staff recognize that FNC is where its at — both for truth and fact and for viewers.

Good job Colby.

skoorbekim said:
Constitutional lawyers look at congressional debate to establish intent of the Amendments…

Glad you came around.

Shep and Obama’s Liberal Statist Media are “all wee-weed up” and wetting their pants while trying to cover for Obama!

It’s not over according to Hannity who had TRUMP on his radio show today!

Go, TRUMP! Keept it up! Get in Obama’s face!

Pablo said:
Well, the first 10 are on the Founders. But for the rest, nope. The Framers would shit themselves over several of the newer ones.

One of the most fascinating areas of the law, and largely untethered, is the selective incorporation and application to the States of certain of the Bill of Rights provisions. Incorporation is a question which had to be settled, but it seems to me it needed to be all or none.

juan said:
Shep and Obama’s Liberal Statist Media are “all wee-weed up” and wetting their pants while trying to cover for Obama!

It’s not over according to Hannity who had TRUMP on his radio show today!

Go, TRUMP! Keept it up! Get in Obama’s face!

What did KKKlownnity say with the Donald’s gonads in his mouth?

felixw said:
Whenever I put up a comment critical of Trump, I get attacked…by liberals, not conservatives. The pattern is overwhelming and obvious. And no surprise there, since this whole Trump birther nonsense is kept on the news because of liberals. The more liberal the outlet, the more attention they give to Trump. Anyone can see that.

The leftists can’t defend Obama’s failed agenda — it has been a total disaster and they know it — they can only defend his PLACE OF BIRTH. But I’m afraid that won’t help much in the election, where US citizenship is a requirement, not a qualification.

Don’t you hate it when libruls like that Commie Hannity have Trump on the air again TODAY?

Skippy said:
Yes.

The issue here is how the birfhers are full of it, and now the racist POS birfhers want to embarrass themselves again demanding Obama’s college records. As if THAT were to disqualify him from the presidential office.

RACIST MORONS!

What’s a “birfher”? Do you talk with a lisp, too? Should I even axe? Did liberals put the “s” in lisp, by the way?

His college records, transcripts, and admission records would go a long way to proving to you dummies that 0bama is a socialist loving dunce, who got in through affirmative action, and or who paid his way. Not that it would matter to you, however. It all points to character, you understand? Not that that matters to you, however.

His SSN controversy would go a long way to proving that he is a felon. Not that it would matter to you, however. His passport information would go a long way to proving what nationality best suited his needs at the time. Once again pointing to his character, or lack thereof. Not that it would matter to you, BUT, some of us would just love to LAUGH our asses off at your choice of “leader” of the free world. And laugh even harder at how fast you all change your screen names (again) to defend him against all of us racist POS’s. LOL. Clown.

Skippy said:
What did KKKlownnity say with the Donald’s gonads in his mouth?

Joseph Glackin said:
Don’t you hate it when libruls like that Commie Hannity have Trump on the air again TODAY?

Cutesy names and spellings in every post. Are you ALL in the 3rd grade???

Skippy said:
Jeffy,

I told you time and time again.

Your stupidity gives you away every single time. You are as transparent as Karen’s 5 yr old underwear.

Uh, you’re the one who gave yourself away tea glackin. Btw, find those docs, yet? LOL!

ndanielson said:
Cutesy names and spellings in every post. Are you ALL in the 3rd grade???

Those 2 are the same stalker. Hence, the same cutesy names.

Skippy said:
What did KKKlownnity say with the Donald’s gonads in his mouth?

He questioned TRUMP’s flip-flops, but agreed with TRUMP that America is GREAT, but Obama has it in decline!

WCinWI said:
In other news, a new video out: http://hotair.com/archives/2011/04/26/video-perusing-the-public-record-of-barack-obamas-life/

Many thanks for that video!

Telling isn’t it?

ndanielson said:
What’s a “birfher”? Do you talk with a lisp, too? Should I even axe? Did liberals put the “s” in lisp, by the way?

His college records, transcripts, and admission records would go a long way to proving to you dummies that 0bama is a socialist loving dunce, who got in through affirmative action, and or who paid his way. Not that it would matter to you, however. It all points to character, you understand? Not that that matters to you, however.

His SSN controversy would go a long way to proving that he is a felon. Not that it would matter to you, however. His passport information would go a long way to proving what nationality best suited his needs at the time. Once again pointing to his character, or lack thereof. Not that it would matter to you, BUT, some of us would just love to LAUGH our asses off at your choice of “leader” of the free world. And laugh even harder at how fast you all change your screen names (again) to defend him against all of us racist POS’s. LOL. Clown.

Are you truly so ignorant about the workings of American society?

Let me give you another angle you moron racist birfhers have overlooked.

You bring up Obama’s passport. You know what agency issues passports, you moron! The Department of State. So go ahead, continue elaborating idiotic conspiracy theories because maybe you know who is the Secretary of State.

Maybe, just maybe, the Secretary of State is hiding something about Obama.

MORON RACIST BIRFHERS!

juan said:
He questioned TRUMP’s flip-flops, but agreed with TRUMP that America is GREAT, but Obama has it in decline!

0bama can’t do much without his sheep, so it is not just 0bama that has it in decline.

Joe the weasel skipper, Hannity appreciates you listening as do I. Ching, Ching…$$$$$!

But Barry still can’t produce a BC!

LOL

Shimp Smith has got to be the only bufoon on FOX. All stations need one, and SHIMP is it! So Shimp, show us the birth certificate.

Skippy said:
Are you truly so ignorant about the workings of American society?

Let me give you another angle you moron racist birfhers have overlooked.

You bring up Obama’s passport. You know what agency issues passports, you moron! The Department of State. So go ahead, continue elaborating idiotic conspiracy theories because maybe you know who is the Secretary of State.

Maybe, just maybe, the Secretary of State is hiding something about Obama.

MORON RACIST BIRFHERS!

Clinton was at the DOS when 0bama went to Pakistan??? Who knew? Hey, what’s a “birfher”?

Jaurez said:
Those 2 are the same stalker. Hence, the same cutesy names.

And of course you have proof.

Like this:

Factor, remember mikey,woogy,mutt,beverly,cecil?All the same olbyloon. He is now calling himself cw. A coward is right! Yes, I am jeff and I changed my name to royalking and I am man enough to admit it, unlike the coward little mikey. He reasorts to “anon”, also.
Posted by: jeff / royalking / olby sucks / Jaurez at March 21, 2007 1:27 AM

Seek professional mental help, Jeffy.

CAconservative said:
Shimp Smith has got to be the only bufoon on FOX. All stations need one, and SHIMP is it! So Shimp, show us the birth certificate.

I think Shimp must be the one they squawk about when they say Fox lies. Just goes to show, that they will believe exactly what they want from anyone, as long as it fits their world view. Hey, do you know what a “birfher” is?

ndanielson said:
Cutesy names and spellings in every post. Are you ALL in the 3rd grade???

JUST USING LANGUAGE YOUR BAGGER BRETHREN SEEM COMFORTABLE WITH.
If you want intelligent conversation, learn the name of the President and admit that 53% of the voters chose him.
Granted, he ran against a geriatric windbag and a stage prop from the tundra, but your party nominated them.
He won. Get over it. If he is as pathetic as you claim, he should be easy to beat.
Who you got?

Joseph Glackin said:
JUST USING LANGUAGE YOUR BAGGER BRETHREN SEEM COMFORTABLE WITH.If you want intelligent conversation, learn the name of the President and admit that 53% of the voters chose him.Granted, he ran against a geriatric windbag and a stage prop from the tundra, but your party nominated them.He won. Get over it. If he is as pathetic as you claim, he should be easy to beat.Who you got?

youre right joe, my mom just got her draft notice too. lol

Skippy said:
And of course you have proof.

Like this:

Seek professional mental help, Jeffy.

You proved you can copy and paste and phony up a post. Nothing else.

Joseph Glackin said:
Granted, he ran against a geriatric windbag and a stage prop from the tundra, but your party nominated them.

Our primaries are open, and your liberal media nominated the dunce McCain. It also gave us Palin. Palin is more American than your boy could ever hope to be, birfher boy. I’d be as angry as you if I had 0bama as my president, too. LOL. Birfher boy.

ndanielson said:
Our primaries are open, and your liberal media nominated the dunce McCain. It also gave us Palin. Palin is more American than your boy could ever hope to be, birfher boy. I’d be as angry as you if I had 0bama as my president, too. LOL. Birfher boy.

Birfher boy is also Bath tub boys numero uno fan. Make sense?

Looks like shep just pissed off the fringe.

Jaurez said:
Those 2 are the same stalker. Hence, the same cutesy names.

You’re projecting again. You apparently have too many names for you to remember. Don’t expect me to.
Why don’t we all just call you scheisskopf? It’s easy to remember, and fits so well.
I’m using the name my parents gave me. Tea Weasel is on his own dime.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
Looks like shep just pissed off the fringe.

Another one? Wow.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
Looks like shep just pissed off the fringe.

Say, if u c the veritable buddhist tell him I said hello. ;)

Jaurez said:
Another one? Wow.

Que?

Jaurez said:
Say, if u c the veritable buddhist tell him I said hello. ;)

If i see the wizard I’ll tell him you’re still waiting on that brain. Is that good enough?

Joseph Glackin said:
Don’t you hate it when libruls like that Commie Hannity have Trump on the air again TODAY?

Once again the buffoon liberal Glackin attacks me for criticizing Trump. Yet he is so stupid, he doesn’t comprehend that he just proves my point.

Jaurez said:
Birfher boy is also Bath tub boys numero uno fan. Make sense?

Birfher boy could talk like the late William F. Buckley, and still not make sense. He just needs a coherent thought, which he can’t possibly have as an 0bama supporter. Huh, birfher boy?

Now all he has to do is convince the rest of the douchebags at Fox News.

Eric said:
Now all he has to do is convince the rest of the douchebags at Fox News.

well first start with chris matthews, he is on this every day

cjd ohio 1 said:
well first start with chris matthews, he is on this every day

I would say start with Beck, but…..ya know…

felixw said:
Once again the buffoon liberal Glackin attacks me for criticizing Trump. Yet he is so stupid, he doesn’t comprehend that he just proves my point.

Quit twisting, flix. I’m noting how WRONG you are about it being liberals who are touting Trump.
He’s all over the Fascist Oligarchic Xenophobia Netwokr.

ndanielson said:
Birfher boy could talk like the late William F. Buckley, and still not make sense. He just needs a coherent thought, which he can’t possibly have as an 0bama supporter. Huh, birfher boy?

Not his fault you’re a conspiracy nut, notsosmart.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
Looks like shep just pissed off the fringe.

And placated the sheep. He’s going for the sheep demographic. It sure didn’t take much! LOL. Fox only lies sometimes, huh lib-lib? I just can’t use the oxymoron moniker for you. If two words don’t go together and worse than those two, I don’t know of them.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
I would say start with Beck, but…..ya know…

beck is not a birther though

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
Not his fault you’re a conspiracy nut, notsosmart.

Yes, we are being conspired against as a country. By the socialist in the house, and his followers. What’s your point?

You know, notsosmart, I’m really beginning to think that you’re a liberal masquerading as a conservative.

cjd ohio 1 said:
beck is not a birther though

true, but neither is matthews. He’s just in love with the crazy.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
true, but neither is matthews. He’s just in love with the crazy.

matthews and beck are both nuts

When will Shep take on all the other 0bama mysteries???

Birfher boy? You addressed the passport, keep going birfher boy!

ndanielson said:
What’s a “birfher”? Do you talk with a lisp, too? Should I even axe? Did liberals put the “s” in lisp, by the way?

His college records, transcripts, and admission records would go a long way to proving to you dummies that 0bama is a socialist loving dunce, who got in through affirmative action, and or who paid his way. Not that it would matter to you, however. It all points to character, you understand? Not that that matters to you, however.

His SSN controversy would go a long way to proving that he is a felon. Not that it would matter to you, however. His passport information would go a long way to proving what nationality best suited his needs at the time. Once again pointing to his character, or lack thereof. Not that it would matter to you, BUT, some of us would just love to LAUGH our asses off at your choice of “leader” of the free world. And laugh even harder at how fast you all change your screen names (again) to defend him against all of us racist POS’s. LOL. Clown.

cjd ohio 1 said:
matthews and beck are both nuts

You forgot to throw Shultz and Hannity in there too, but crazy sells. Why else do you think Gary Busey lasted so long on The Apprentice?

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
You forgot to throw Shultz and Hannity in there too, but crazy sells. Why else do you think Gary Busey lasted so long on The Apprentice?

so true….lol

cjd ohio 1 said:
well first start with chris matthews, he is on this every day

Chris Matthew’s isn’t a douchebag.

Eric said:
Chris Matthew’s isn’t a douchebag.

i disagree there

Eric said:
Chris Matthew’s isn’t a douchebag.

You don’t want to fight this battle.

Eric said:
Chris Matthew’s isn’t a douchebag.

He’s an enema bottle. Ask lib-lib what the difference is.

The_Reasonable_Lib said:
You don’t want to fight this battle.

You couldn’t battle your way out of an inverted douche bag with birfher boy standing on it.

LOL I go get a haircut, come back and ndan has come to reduced the conversation to “you’re a dick” level.

Jaurez said:
Say, if u c the veritable buddhist tell him I said hello. ;)

And John Wayne/Jeff Meril has resorted to vowels for words.

I think it’s dinnertime….Ruth’s Chris anyone?

Garth said:
As you can see, this kind of news gets the baggers panties all bunched up. Facts and baggers is like oil and water.

What is Obama hiding and why?

juan said:
What is Obama hiding and why?

Why are birfhers so racist and stupid (R)?

FOX NEWS LIES FOX NEWS LI—wait what?

ndanielson said:
You couldn’t battle your way out of an inverted douche bag with birfher boy standing on it.

ROFL!

I agree with dipshit. He IS a U.S. citizen, which is what dipshit said. That does NOT mean he is a “natural born citizen” as required by the Constitution.

And no, that isn’t a birth certificate. It is a certificate of live birth. Not the same thing. 0bama’s sister has one, too, and she was NOT born in the U.S.

darwin-t said:
That does NOT mean he is a “natural born citizen” as required by the Constitution.

ROFLMAO….and the Constitution, a fine document by the way, defines “natural born citizenship” where exactly?

darwin-t said:
And no, that isn’t a birth certificate. It is a certificate of live birth.

Actually, it IS the same thing. Even “long form” birth certificates are called certificates of live birth. Read the very top.
http://www.greeleygazette.com/press/wp-content/uploads/2010/04/Three-star-Lakin-2.jpg
See? LOL. Obama’s COLB IS his birth certificate.

darwin-t said:
0bama’s sister has one, too, and she was NOT born in the U.S.

Yes, she has one, but it says she was born in Jakarta, Indonesia as required by Hawaiian statutes. Obama’s states where he was born, Honolulu, HI. Case closed.

When Bachmann, Santorum, and even Glen Beck for chrissakes are not with you — you teabaggers have fallen off the edge into the abyss of ignorance and profound stupidity.

This is just like Iraq and WMD. Bush, Cheney and Rumsfeld misrepresented the facts (call it what you will – either lies or distortions) and the sheep in this country swallowed the story hook, line and sinker. At one point, 66% of the population believed in this lie.

Then, when the facts came out with the testimony of head weapons inspector David Kay, Bush started saying there were no WMD in Iraq. But half those sheep refused to believe Bush when he recanted and 33% of the people still believe there are WMD hidden somewhere in the Middle East.

The bottom line is, once a story has been created in the minds of these simple people, their belief systems outweigh any rational thought. I thought that if Bill O came out and ended the birther nonsense, that would be the end of it. Now, we have Huckabee, Bachmann and a host of other conservatives coming out against the birther conspiracy, yet the trolls keep it alive.

Shep is the only voice of reason…again. He is the only one with any kind of integrity on that entire network. Seriously. He is.

What is Shep doing on FOX? He’s always been the level-headed one. Imagine this country where the most right-wing extremist looks and acts like Shep. Christ almighty, we’d basically be living in a fucking utopia.

Who left the sock drawer open!

Joseph Glackin said:
Quit twisting, flix. I’m noting how WRONG you are about it being liberals who are touting Trump.
He’s all over the Fascist Oligarchic Xenophobia Netwokr.

Earth to Joseph Glackin, can you hear us? Earth to Joseph Glackin. Come down from outer space Mr. Glackin!

Come down from outer space and pay attention to reality. I know how painful that is for far left kool aid drinkers. But here are the facts:

Bill O’Reilly has come out on Fox against Trump
Glenn Beck has come out on Fox against Trump
Greg Gutfeld has come out on Fox against Trump
Shep Smith has come out on Fox against Trump
Etc.

It’s your friends at MSNBC that are giving Mr. Trump the most free publicity and have the most vested in his candidacy. And if you had half a brain, you would realize it without me needing to tell you.

It’s only a matter of time before Roger Ailes kills himself, all his news anchors and Beck……the ship is sinking and the rats are, well they’re still rats.

felixw said:
Earth to Joseph Glackin, can you hear us? Earth to Joseph Glackin. Come down from outer space Mr. Glackin!

Come down from outer space and pay attention to reality. I know how painful that is for far left kool aid drinkers. But here are the facts:

Bill O’Reilly has come out on Fox against Trump
Glenn Beck has come out on Fox against Trump
Greg Gutfeld has come out on Fox against Trump
Shep Smith has come out on Fox against Trump
Etc.

It’s your friends at MSNBC that are giving Mr. Trump the most free publicity and have the most vested in his candidacy. And if you had half a brain, you would realize it without me needing to tell you.

And Trump has a bit every Mon. on F#X. So What?
You blamed the left. I observed Hannity gave him a platform.
Is YOUR skin as thin as Trump’s?
I didn’t know you were such a sensitive pussy, Felix.
I’ll be gentler next time.

Joseph Glackin said:
I’ll be gentler next time.

Try being smarter. That will be more helpful.

Joseph Glackin said:
And Trump has a bit every Mon. on F#X. So What?
You blamed the left. I observed Hannity gave him a platform.
Is YOUR skin as thin as Trump’s?
I didn’t know you were such a sensitive pussy, Felix.
I’ll be gentler next time.

P.S. If I had half a brain, I’d still be too smart to believe the crap you swallow daily.

Shep Smith could not have said that about Fox News a year ago. Why does it take some people so long to see the light.

Joseph Glackin said:
P.S. If I had half a brain, .

end of statement

Pablo said:
The White House doesn’t control the original, nor is it subject to federal law. It is the property of the State of Hawaii.

You are one of two people who have corrected me here. When I say the White House I mean Obama. When I say release it I mean request a photocopy of the original. A request from the WH I’m certain you both agree would be honored by the state of Hawaii. The reason the WH refuses is that even if they did, there would be people who would call it phony. But how about the rest of us who want to see one with original signatures? I would believe it.

WHarropson said:
A request from the WH I’m certain you both agree would be honored by the state of Hawaii.

It’s against Hawaiian law. Even Beck says so.

“Beck and company attacked Trump’s birtherism, “His whole campaign is based on the whole birther nonsense. Pat then brought up the AP story that noted that no Trump investigators have been seen in Hawaii, “Apparently, the short is all that Hawaii ever releases for anyone…including the President. They then kept hammering at Trump’s birtherism, “For him to release his own birth certificate, you would have to be advocating for him to be above the law. You cannot. They can’t release it. Even to the president. He can examine it himself there. Would you believe him if he examined it and said it looked real? Would ya? I’d love to see that.”
http://www.politicususa.com/en/glenn-beck-donald-trump

Alice67 said:
It’s against Hawaiian law. Even Beck says so.

Not true. The state of Hawaii will release copy of original peruant to a freedom of information request. I know there is a lot of bad info out there, I heard the same thing as well. Watch the second video on this page and you will see.

http://www.cnn.com/2011/POLITICS/04/25/birthers.obama.hawaii/index.html?hpt=C2

Now you know that the protection of the document proving Obama’s eligibility has gotten a little wierd when you start getting information about how illegal it is for Obama to get a copy.

You could see that Client number nine guy start to squirm when he got a dose of “why you cant see it” rational from the CNN investigator. He was a 1000% believer in the nativity of Obama and still found himself squirming.

It is illegal for the POTUS to get a copy of the original.. That’s squirm material right there!

Oh, by the way. To get a copy of the State certification is $7. Correct me but I think the CNN investigator said the freedom of information request was free. Now what’s the excuse?

Just to make sure you see the right video on the page it is the one with the inscription:
“Evidence shows Obama born in Hawaii ”

It’s the one with Spitzer who squirms at the results of the report.

The humor coming from this “birth” issue is never ending. Naturally that is not enough his transcripts come into question and that is not enough so we have to bring in his medical transcripts because we are sure he is “hiding something” somewhere. There are of course many opinions as to what he is “hiding” based on little or no facts. The passion involved becomes a psychosis for many.

So OK let’s say hypothetically there is something that disqualifies him. What then he steps down and Biden steps up? Really! That’s a solution? In the end with the election on the near horizon this issue will be put to rest and the extremism will take a different form. That is the way of any psychosis.

Trump in his arrogant way is an opportunist who sees an easy way to get attention. He has gotten plenty of it. Why? The Media loves to feed the populace what it thrives on sensationalism and what is often classified as the crazies. It is said that common sense is not a very common thing. It appears that it is becoming even less common these days. We are focusing on everything but the most important things we need to. No matter what the outcome of the next election if we don’t COLLECTIVELY regain a proper focus we will be in dire straits. There is merit to the statement “United we stand divided we fall”.

WHarropson said:
Oh, by the way. To get a copy of the State certification is $7. Correct me but I think the CNN investigator said the freedom of information request was free. Now what’s the excuse?

I saw the video with Spitzer. He clearly was making the same point most individuals make “why doesn’t he just show it and get this over with”. Gary also clearly stated that the administration feels that it would not resolve the issue because there are people who would not accept the document as valid either so why bother. You may but many still won’t. I think they will eventually bother to produce it in time and at a time most politically beneficial.

If they don’t produce it they will be sending the message that those who cherish the rule of law regarding elegibility are fools. Those patriotic constitutionalist Americans are to be derided. Obama should do what a man would do and magnanimously offer all the hidden evidence. But he is aperantly no that big a man.

WHarropson said:
If they don’t produce it they will be sending the message that those who cherish the rule of law regarding elegibility are fools. Those patriotic constitutionalist Americans are to be derided. Obama should do what a man would do and magnanimously offer all the hidden evidence. But he is aperantly no that big a man.

I guess he’s having too much fun watching the teafloggers do the crazy dance.

WHarropson said:
If they don’t produce it they will be sending the message that those who cherish the rule of law regarding elegibility are fools. Those patriotic constitutionalist Americans are to be derided. Obama should do what a man would do and magnanimously offer all the hidden evidence. But he is aperantly no that big a man.

“Aperantly he is having too much fun watching teafloggers do the crazy dance….

WHarropson said:
If they don’t produce it they will be sending the message that those who cherish the rule of law regarding elegibility are fools. Those patriotic constitutionalist Americans are to be derided. Obama should do what a man would do and magnanimously offer all the hidden evidence. But he is aperantly no that big a man.

“Aperantly” Obama is having too much fun watching the teafloggers do the crazy dance….

I miss……www.zapposer.com

But Fox News lies……….

WHarropson says:
Obama should do what a man would do and magnanimously offer all the hidden evidence. But he is aperantly no that big a man.

……………………………………….
A real winner!

Alice67 said:
It’s against Hawaiian law. Even Beck says so.

“Beck and company attacked Trump’s birtherism, “His whole campaign is based on the whole birther nonsense. Pat then brought up the AP story that noted that no Trump investigators have been seen in Hawaii, “Apparently, the short is all that Hawaii ever releases for anyone…including the President. They then kept hammering at Trump’s birtherism, “For him to release his own birth certificate, you would have to be advocating for him to be above the law. You cannot. They can’t release it. Even to the president. He can examine it himself there. Would you believe him if he examined it and said it looked real? Would ya? I’d love to see that.”
http://www.politicususa.com/en/glenn-beck-donald-trump

I’ve never heard of such gibberish. Of course, as everyone knows now, it is perfectly legal for the person whose birth is in question to release a copy of their own birth certificate.

How else could someone get a job or anything else where one is required???!!!! And, yes, I have had to produce my BC several times in my life!

Is Obama’s Kenyan grandmother LYING when she stated in testimony that she “was present at Obama’s birth” and then stated “in Mombasa” ?? NO —
Does everyone want to know the REAL answers ?? Why doesn’t FOX and other media outlets state why the form only states the name of the hospital and does not state that the birth took place there? Also–anyone could then and even NOW, walk into a hospital in Hawaii with any infant, say the infant was born at home, get him checked out and receive the VERY SAME Certificate of Live Birth, signed with a doctor’s signature…………………………………that is what this is. Obama knows he was born in Kenya. OBAMA IS A LIAR. Someone from Kenya WILL come forward……………..wait for it

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/blog/2011/apr/27/barack-obama-birth-certificate-statement#zoomed-picture

check it out. I think it answers your questions about the hospital and the testimony by the attending M.D. David A. Smilian (?) that the baby named was born alive and on the date and time listed on the certificate and names the hospital. .

Jay Ray says:
Is Obama’s Kenyan grandmother LYING when she stated in testimony that she “was present at Obama’s birth” and then stated “in Mombasa” ?? NO —…………………. That’s not what she said, she didn’t speak english well and someone answered for her, then she corrected them!

Does everyone want to know the REAL answers ?? Why doesn’t FOX and other media outlets state why the form only states the name of the hospital and does not state that the birth took place there? Also–anyone could then and even NOW, walk into a hospital in Hawaii with any infant, say the infant was born at home, get him checked out and receive the VERY SAME Certificate of Live Birth, signed with a doctor’s signature…………………………………that is what this is. Obama knows he was born in Kenya. OBAMA IS A LIAR. Someone from Kenya WILL come forward……………..wait for it
Clown, you can’t walk into any hospital and get them to lie and say they were born there! The state wouldn’t allow it! At best they would act as a witness, in part and be clear, about that being all they were! You don’t want facts, you want to lie and hate!

This has gotten to the point of being worse than ignorant. But many of us have said the president could release the copy of the original and some people will still say he wasn’t born here and sure enough, plenty of them are on this site posting with their lack of even average intelligence. Surely some of these folks would qualify as imbeciles they are so dense. The president was born in the USA and is a natural born citizen and – wait for it- THE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES! Any claims to the contrary are demonstrating their ignorance. You need to give it up. As the president said, we have had enough of the side shows and carnival barkers. It is time for these fools to come up with some real solutions or just shut up. You are doing the USA and the rest of the citizenry no favors and you are using up good air.

WHarropson said:
If they don’t produce it they will be sending the message that those who cherish the rule of law regarding elegibility are fools. Those patriotic constitutionalist Americans are to be derided. Obama should do what a man would do and magnanimously offer all the hidden evidence. But he is aperantly no that big a man.

I am a patriotic constitutionalist American and don’t feel derided. You have derided Obama as not being a man because he hasn’t accommodated your wishes. Your dislike of the man is apparent. Given your dislike or more likely hatred of him how would any document produced be accepted as valid by those who feel as you do? I am not a fan of BHO but I also believe there is nothing to gain by demanding what will be provided eventually (i.e. next election). I believe there is enough information given and that hasn’t been sufficient for those consumed by hatred under the guise of “right to know what he is hiding”.

Jay Ray said:
Is Obama’s Kenyan grandmother LYING when she stated in testimony that she “was present at Obama’s birth” and then stated “in Mombasa” ?? NO —Does everyone want to know the REAL answers ?? Why doesn’t FOX and other media outlets state why the form only states the name of the hospital and does not state that the birth took place there? Also–anyone could then and even NOW, walk into a hospital in Hawaii with any infant, say the infant was born at home, get him checked out and receive the VERY SAME Certificate of Live Birth, signed with a doctor’s signature…………………………………that is what this is. Obama knows he was born in Kenya. OBAMA IS A LIAR. Someone from Kenya WILL come forward……………..wait for it

Again we have another example of hatred deriving a point of view on little or no facts. The definition of psychosis: a psychiatric disorder such as schizophrenia or mania that is marked by delusions, hallucinations, incoherence, and DISTORTED PERCEPTIONS OF REALITY.