The more Romney talks about healthcare, the more accepted Obamacare becomes.

Mittens has a penchant for putting his hooves in his mouth. He will soon cease giving these ad hoc interviews. 

Don’t hold your breath, he’d change his mind soon. 

“One is to have clinics where people are treated at low cost or no cost. The other is to do as I suggest, which is to have, if you will, tax breaks given to people who have insurance.””

How do you draw from that ^ that he is advocating “having Americans get free health care from government-run clinics.”

Wow.  You really do just hear what you want to hear, huh?  My five year-old has better comprehension skills than you. 

“no cost”  means free you idiot.

“The other is to do as I suggest,”

I can see two plausible solutions, find one more palatable and therefore recommend it before the other.

Working in the health care industry, there are already community clinics that non-profit hospitals maintain. This is clearly what he was referring to. Hospitals merely write-off these debts just as they do with brain surgeries and so on.

Why everyone is shocked about this, I have no clue.

No – It means that the health system gets to write it off and ask for larger tax breaks.  A more subsidized form of health care.

Nothing is free. Keep up.

Hospitals already maintain these types of clinics.

Liberals don’t know what actually goes into health care. I don’t claim to know it as I don’t work on the RN/PA-C side of things, but I at least know certain financials on the construction and how clinics/hospitals attract themselves to build in a new city.

Don’t mind them – they know not what they speak.

Go back to cruising those Palin blogs.

One can see quite readily why you rise so reliably to Mitt Romney’s defense: both of are so full of bafflegab, bullshit, doublespeak, gobbledygoop & nonsense, what with all your densely packed incoherence & boldishy irreconcilable assertions.  

Romney is like a closet Democrat…i love it…when election time comes we are going to get a race with actual candidates.

‘Low-cost/no-cost’ health care is a Lib wet dream. The ‘cost’ will still be high; it’s just that Libs want those EVIL millionaires & billionaires like George Soros and Jeffy Immelt to pay for it. Same thing with ‘Big Education.’ Your haughty, elite faculty members and admin people at colleges will still live like the 1%-ers they are.

Romney spitballed the idea of having “clinics where people are treated
at low cost or no cost” as a solution to federal laws about urgent or
emergency care.

Bingo.  We need to get all those emergency room costs out of the health insurance rate base.  Poor people are forced to use the ER for primary care.  The government could provide cheap clinics in poor areas for much less money.  We are all paying for it anyway, either through higher health insurance rates or through the government providing primary care clinics.  Specialist care could be obtained through referrals to VA hospitals.  I’d rather put money in VA hospitals than see Kaiser Permanente and their ilk continue to screw the public.  But conservative politicians piss themselves at the prospect of a public option.  Hell, we could probably put a lot of unemployed people to work in the process.

Maybe he will get elected and fix it.

Yeah, son, that’s why only 34% are in favor of it.

But I do appreciate your inability to face facts and reality.

Just a very few more hints on your ‘understanding’ of how “the health care industry” works, and I bet the folks at this site could combine their knowledge & powers of deduction into a collective that determines precisely which nursing home it was for which you moved bedpans around.

Is there anything you don’t know? One wonders how you hold up that enormous head.

In point of fact, the vast, vast majority of health care providers are liberals and Democrats. It is a caring industry. A people friendly industry. Naturally, conservatives and Republicans are not drawn to it. I can assure you we very well understand healthcare and all of the manifold flaws in the American system of healthcare delivery.

Amen, I say “Amen!”.

If the idea doesn’t come out of the messiahs mouth you just turn away, shows that your not an ideologue right? Just another Dem tool.

I think that whenever you have to type the word gobbledygoop, you probably have too much spare time on your hands.

I don’t like any of the candidates. Keep up! Now go back to commenting on EVERY comment thread like a dutiful poster.

You are trying to make health care a right versus left issue. That’s your problem. Now please, do as you said months ago and refrain from speaking to me. Thank you kindly.

Astute analysis.

I’ve worked on the BMD side. Nice try though.

What does “spitballed” mean, Tommy C.?

You really are a left-wing a-hole

There are walk-in urgent care clinics available at a much lower cost than ER care. VA hospitals can’t keep up with the demand on them now. We have personal experience on these issues. We used to provide our employees with full paid health insurance for them and their families with at that time a co-payment of $15.00. We caught them going to a local ER and using fictitous names (they were legal Hispanics) to avoid paying the co-payment. We now only provide health insurance for the employee only. If they want coverage for their family, they have to pay the group rate.  We have Kaiser for everyone including ourselves. Their care is as good or better than most and more affordable than most. I am a veteran and recently as part of a group from the VFW visited a major VA hospital in the Los Angeles Area. They were showing us the upgrades they were making to the facility. Guess who they told us they were using as a model…..Kaiser. I think you are misinformed and/or misguided in your criticism of Kaiser.  The public option is just another part of what is being replicated from the constitution of the former Soviet Union, chapter 7. You may want to read it. This all worked out so well for them. 

Fix it?
You mean like in Massachusetts?
The Model for “Obamacare”?

The problem is though that not only poor people use the ER. I don’t mean illegal immigrants or anything like that.

I mean that you have average Americans coming in for a common cold or other type of illness and they are paying for higher-priced medications and tools.

My mom is an expect in the field of health care. She was an RN for years and then went into a prominent position on the business side (it was a different side but since she has won awards, I’ll cloud that for online purposes). She doesn’t like the health care legislation and she is always commenting about how health care on the East Coast is so poor in relation to that of the Midwest.

I don’t think it’s as easy as going the public option route. My mom says that it has to be multiple things that occur, but none of it was the public option route. Part of the problem is that they brought legislators into the mix. The way they formed this thing was nuts.

Health care is not the same across the board and until Congress operates under this assumption, nothing passed will be effective.

I realistically think that you need to have a mix of people at the table. Four members of Congress, 4 members of Senate, seasoned health care professionals that have built many facilities, construction/GM contractors (people that manage the construction of facilities from the ground up essentially), hospital administrators that operate one hospital in a region, and health care administration that operate a wider health care system (some health care systems house clinics, rehab, hospitals, free clinics, pharmacies, etc. under their corporate structure), RN, medical auditor and a few more clinical staff. Until that is done, everything is for naught. This is possible, but Obama wasn’t the catalyst to do this.

62% of Dems in favor vs 12% 0f Republicans.

http://motherjones.com/kevin-drum/2011/11/kaisers-fascinating-obamacare-data

Government run clinics? No more private hospitals? I didn’t know Obamacare was a total takeover of health care! Please go on. 

I agree with your assessment on the urgent-cares. Many health clinics that operate normal business hours operate urgent care hours from the 5-8 PM hours at the same clinic sites.

There are also clinics that offer more specific health needs (ear infection, etc.) where you pay an upfront fee of $40-50 for all diagnoses that are covered by that specific site. They happen to be connected to pharmacy locations so that it’s a direct access point for people. These are becoming more important. That’s why you’re starting to see Walmart floating (not sure if they’re moving forward with it) the idea of having clinics on-site. 

Simple location health care education is something that would help out people. That’s why my health care company was interested in attempting to team up with local realtors as they sold homes to new clients. The more people know right away, the better it will be on the back end.

When did messdnc take over this site? Tommys a tool, I don’t even bother reading if it’s his article.
The sad part is he gets paid to be a fool.

Public option.  Get those poor people out of the ER.

I’m talking more about the very poor.  The unemployed who lack their own transportation.  When they have a crisis, it is usually an ambulance ride to an ER, the costs of which are paid by the rest of the ratepayers.  I don’t agree with idea of the mandate.  People who don’t have health insurance should be forced to go to public clinics, and if they have the means, be forced to repay some or all of the costs of their treatment.  The utopian fallacy of Obamacare is that everyone is entitled to the same quality of care.  That’s the idea behind the mandate.  The Brits did what I am suggesting after WW-II.  It morphed into their current system.  I don’t know if Kaiser is any better or worse than the others.  I just know they have a big share of the market.

One fairly obvious plus for Massachusetts is the fact that it is ranked first in the nation for uninsured residents. It’s not that surprising considering Massachusetts is one of only a handful of guaranteed issue states.
Massachusetts is in the Top 10 states for 12 of the measures (22 total) that are used to determine a state’s rank.
It has a low percentage of population without insurance (5 percent, down from last year’s 5.4 percent), a low occupational fatalities rate (3.0 deaths per 100,000 workers), a high availability of primary care physicians (191.3 physicians per 100,000 individuals of the population), and a relatively low geographic disparity (only 6.3 percent).
It also shows both low rates of infant mortality – 4.8 deaths per 1,000 live births – and high rates of immunization coverage – 93.4 percent of 19- to 35-month-olds received their necessary immunizations.
In addition, smoking declined in Massachusetts over the past five years from 18.5 percent of the population to 14.9 percent.

http://www.healthinsurance.org/massachusetts

Mitch, that’s called colorful writing.  Cut Tommy some slack.

Its funny how Dick Hertz was posting messages like some child. Then finally got banned and a little while later you’re online posting.
Coincidence?

I was also using some “colorful” writing.

Thanks for actually putting some thought and research into your post.  Something that used to be the norm here, but now seems rare given all the gratuitous insults from the younger set.

Medicare is increasingly mounting as baby boomers start hitting
retirement. The amount of money coming in is less than exiting, and as
such, it is perceived that the current generation of taxpayers does not
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Your point is well taken. However, if we are ever going to control health care costs, we have to address the illega and anchor baby issues. Urgent care and ER facilities can not even asj about legal citizenship. They have to provide treatment. These costs in states like CA are bankrupting the system..The politicians on both sides of the aisle refuse to address these issues. There should be a safety net for the legal and legitimate poor. For less than $200.00 I can get an ID with any name I want on it. This problem was also major cause of the housing market collapse.

“…Romney spitballed the idea of having “clinics where people are treated at low cost or no cost” as a solution to federal laws about urgent or emergency care.”We have had this for decades, it is called “MEDICAID”.  Nothing new here other than F-Chuck trying for another “gotcha”.

It means free to the recipient. But the money comes from the taxpayers. Free?

You forgot to mention that Ma has one of the highest insurance rates and also has many teaching hospitals.

Mitt, you really do think people should be responsible for their own health insurance, at least for those who can afford it. Be truthful. I doubt you will put any effort in repealing obamacare and i doubt that our supreme court will either. We are obligated to provide healthcare regardless of insurance so all this comes down to a simple issue of $$$$. And considering almost 50% of the population doesn’t pay any taxes, how on earth can we continue providing?
Obamacare will transform itself into universal care, thus providing the treasury with a whole new source of taxpayer dollars while our heath care will be based on cost effectiveness. And the elderly and young will be hit the hardest. So stay healthy folks.