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nah,, Dr. Andrew Wakefield should encounter worse things than just Anderson cooper

Atticus Draco said:
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nah,, Dr. Andrew Wakefield should encounter worse things than just Anderson cooper

Yet, Cooper did a very good job.

The Real Royal King said:
Yet, Cooper did a very good job.

i dunno,, i didnt watch it,, but,,
i would love to kick this doctor’s A$$!
i wish he drank at the same bar i do

Jenny McCarthy is gonna be soooo pissed.

timzank said:
Jenny McCarthy is gonna be soooo pissed.

i am curious to see how she responds to this

i know many women (mothers) that was taken in by this jerk!
jeeze!

Working in the medical community I can not tell you the damage this man and Jenny McCarthy have done to an entire generation and the amount of work and re-education we now have to do thanks to these 2 people.

Atticus Draco said:
i dunno,, i didnt watch it,, but,,
i would love to kick this doctor’s A$$!
i wish he drank at the same bar i do

You’re invited to have a beer with me instead. Country Club. Dive. You chose the venue. We even have a gay C&W bar in Austin. Plays Patsy Cline endlessly. And, the impromptu floor shows are great entertainment. Take visitors there from time-to-time. As long as you don’t wear jeans, boots, flannel or leather, no one will hit on you. Some good cold Dos Equis.

tatboy said:
Working in the medical community I can not tell you the damage this man and Jenny McCarthy have done to an entire generation and the amount of work and re-education we now have to do thanks to these 2 people.

I don’t work in the medical field, but you are absolutely correct. The matter should have been studied, to be sure, but no one should have proceeded on such shaky findings.

Good. This fraud caused a number of parents to refuse to get their kids vaccinated which lead to dire results. In addition, it released upon an unsuspecting world a plethora of gullible, ignorant and sophomoric celebrities who read an article about this pathetic charlatan’s study and who, then in turn, tried to pass themselves off as experts on Autism and its etiology.

Maybe this will shut Jenny McCarthy up for good.

According to other news articles,

“The journal (British medical journal) also claims Wakefield was paid nearly $700,000 by lawyers looking to file suit against vaccine makers. All the way through the paper we see Dr. Wakefield chizzeling the data, falsifying medical histories of children, and essentially concocting a picture which was the picture he was contracted to find by lawyers hoping to sue vaccine manufacturers and to create a vaccine scare.”

I think one reason it took so long to get this story out is because it went against the left wing media narrative of big pharma is evil and trial lawyers are good.

ordinary said:
“The journal (British medical journal) also claims Wakefield was paid nearly $700,000 by lawyers looking to file suit against vaccine makers

And this fact was discussed in Newsweek years ago and no one asked “WTF?????”

The Real Royal King said:
You’re invited to have a beer with me instead. Country Club. Dive. You chose the venue. We even have a gay C&W bar in Austin. Plays Patsy Cline endlessly. And, the impromptu floor shows are great entertainment. Take visitors there from time-to-time. As long as you don’t wear jeans, boots, flannel or leather, no one will hit on you. Some good cold Dos Equis.

lol,, thank you,, but cordially,, no thank you
i mean,, do they even let you fight in a place like that?

at my place,, when a ruckus begins,, they kinda just push you out the back door,, let you finish it out in the alley

I guess this is better “journalism” than inviting some born-again christian actor to comment on unexplained deaths of some fish.

My gosh, it is blue moon? The Mediaite comment boards have consensus!

tatboy said:
Working in the medical community I can not tell you the damage this man and Jenny McCarthy have done to an entire generation and the amount of work and re-education we now have to do thanks to these 2 people.

As a member of the medical research community, I could not agree with you more. Because of this jerk, the UK fell below herd immunity for measles, mumps and rubella. And guess what happened? The UK has been suffering from recurrent measles outbreaks since. In 1998 (the year the Lancet paper was published) there were 56 confirmed measles cases. By 2006, with immunization rates that went below 70% a could years earlier, the UK had 449 cases within the first few months, almost all of which were seronegative children.

And to make matters worse, the paranoia he instilled in these poor mothers has carried over to other vaccines, as well.

More Liberty2 said:
I guess this is better “journalism” than inviting some born-again christian actor to comment on unexplained deaths of some fish.

Yeah, it certainly is. Wakefield has a lot to answer for.

Atticus Draco said:
i mean,, do they even let you fight in a place like that?

I haven’t been around any fights there, but after grandfathers, a father, uncles, cousins telling me countless jokes premised on gays being feminine, raging queens, I was surprised to learn in college that most are anything but ….

At any rate, I can’t stand Patsy Cline.

There’s a great dive over by the university with 36 tapped beers and a wrap around deck.

The Real Royal King said:
At any rate, I can’t stand Patsy Cline.

why you gotta be dissing Cline?!
whats up?!
might as well bash Loretta Lynn while you’re at it!!

No study based on 12 people is anything more than a jumping off point that may later lead to something. The interview didn’t give me much information, and seemed to blame this guy for everything. Why would a medical journal even report on such a small study? None of this makes any sense.

I didn’t think it was a ‘take down’ too much was based on a journal I’m un-familiar with and on an investigative journalist who probably has no medical knowledge.

lane said:
Why would a medical journal even report on such a small study?

There are many studies with smaller sample sizes than this that we have learned a lot from. Case studies of HM, for example.

By the way, the British Medical Journal is a renowned medical journal and the journalist, Brian Deer, has made his name doing investigative work in the medical community. Both he and the journal reporting this story are well-respected.

This was one of Anderson’s better interviews. Anyone who would make a medical decision based on only 12 case studies is an idiot and that includes Jenny McCarthy and Jim Carrey.

This is a perfect example of why people should not take advice from celebrities about anything. They are unqualified and uninformed. The media also deserves some blame for giving credibility to the results of this bogus study by having McCarthy and Carrey on their programs.

The Real Royal King said:
Some good cold Dos Equis.

Now you’re talkin’!

Was the BMJ study done using grant money? That automatically makes it wrong from what I hear.

Fact: I still would rather keep the extra crap out of shots anyway!

lane said:
No study based on 12 people is anything more than a jumping off point that may later lead to something. The interview didn’t give me much information, and seemed to blame this guy for everything. Why would a medical journal even report on such a small study? None of this makes any sense.

I didn’t think it was a ‘take down’ too much was based on a journal I’m un-familiar with and on an investigative journalist who probably has no medical knowledge.

This wasn’t necessarily response to Wakefield’s study. This is about the past 13 years of his study being repeatedly refuted by multiple studies, research leaders in the field and in numerous countries, and how he is now being accused of deliberate fraud rather than of publishing an inaccurate study.

If you’re interested in getting a better grasp of this, I’d watch the clip again or google Wakefield and the Lancet.

Wakefield is being very cute, as my dad would say. Based on Wakefield’s study from 1998, he wasn’t complaining about or sending up a red flag about vaccine dangers. His purpose was to discredit the MMR vaccine because it was a grouped vaccine; he wanted it broken out into individual vaccines. His argument was that the grouping caused danger, not the vaccine contents themselves. He did this in an attempt to get his patent through on an individual Measles vaccine so he could sell it to the pharmaceutical companies. When this still failed, and he found that he caused alarm regarding vaccines in general, his tone changed altogether.

By the way, the original study never even supported a conclusive link between autism and vaccines, merely an unsupported implication. How me made a multimillion dollar career out of this is ridiculous!

This is a good post. Did this story write itself?

Journalists are always supposed to be hated and spit on.

Cooper knew before the doc what the British Medical said.

I’m dumb enuff but also smart enuff that I knew about Jenny McCarthy and her kids.

All I could think was the pain that people feel when a word or 2 can hurt.

notsofast said:
And this fact was discussed in Newsweek years ago and no one asked “WTF?????”

Newsweek asked, apparently. But since they’re part of the “liberal lamestream media,” it’s safe to assume you were one of the people who failed to say “WTF” back then, too.

It is very sad that she bought into BS.

But you shouldn’t ever argue with the truth.

Paul Westlake said:
Newsweek asked, apparently. But since they’re part of the “liberal lamestream media,” it’s safe to assume you were one of the people who failed to say “WTF” back then, too.

Actually, I have been promoting and dealing with “journalistic integrity” since 1998.

They all tell you stories. Which one do you want to hear?

The Real Royal King said:
Atticus Draco said:
i mean,, do they even let you fight in a place like that?
I haven’t been around any fights there, but after grandfathers, a father, uncles, cousins telling me countless jokes premised on gays being feminine, raging queens, I was surprised to learn in college that most are anything but ….

At any rate, I can’t stand Patsy Cline.

There’s a great dive over by the university with 36 tapped beers and a wrap around deck.

For a Texan you don’t really seem to like Texas.

also…stop bullying people that don’t agree with you.

lazzzlo said:
Actually, I have been promoting and dealing with “journalistic integrity” since 1998.

It’s an issue close to my heart as well. I don’t pretend there are perfect journalists out there, but the labeling of all non-Fox, non-conservative media as “liberal” and “biased” and part of the “lamestream” is a self-fulfilling prophecy. Maybe people would take these stories and the follow-ups more seriously if we were having an honest dialog in and about the media, instead of listening to a bunch of people cry wolf all the time. Certainly, knee-jerk reactions that label anything uncomfortable as being motivated by political bias aren’t helpful. I know I’m the guy that made a science story into a political tirade, but the shoe fits in this case, when people like NSF – a shill for conservative media if ever there was one around here – are complaining that a Newsweek story wasn’t taken seriously. What the hell do conservatives expect when they attack and debase the messengers all day, every day? Nobody trusts anything anymore. Journalism may deserve a kick in the ass, but not at all in the way the right wing believes. That’s for damn sure.

JacksonGT said:
Wakefield is being very cute, as my dad would say. Based on Wakefield’s study from 1998, he wasn’t complaining about or sending up a red flag about vaccine dangers. His purpose was to discredit the MMR vaccine because it was a grouped vaccine; he wanted it broken out into individual vaccines. His argument was that the grouping caused danger, not the vaccine contents themselves. He did this in an attempt to get his patent through on an individual Measles vaccine so he could sell it to the pharmaceutical companies. When this still failed, and he found that he caused alarm regarding vaccines in general, his tone changed altogether.

By the way, the original study never even supported a conclusive link between autism and vaccines, merely an unsupported implication. How me made a multimillion dollar career out of this is ridiculous!

if it comes out this his sole motive was profit, that would put this guy close to a hitler type evil coursing through his blood.
and i really couldn’t imagine the pain parents like jenny mccarthy go through when they discover their kid is autistic so that although might have been influential with her idiotic statements against vaccination, it was done with a pure heart.

since there has already been a partisan post on this uniting topic, i will just add that it seems like the most gullible dope to fall for this charade would bethose idiots who watch glen beck and have there drop-out-uncle teach their kids american history while hording canned beans in their fallout shelter.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
since there has already been a partisan post on this uniting topic…

Guilty as charged.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
…i will just add that it seems like the most gullible dope to fall for this charade would bethose idiots who watch glen beck and have there drop-out-uncle teach their kids american history while hording canned beans in their fallout shelter.

But I didn’t go that far! Still… no arguments here. ;-)

Paul Westlake said:
Guilty as charged.

But I didn’t go that far! Still… no arguments here. ;-)

no, not you…

ordinary said:
I think one reason it took so long to get this story out is because it went against the left wing media narrative of big pharma is evil and trial lawyers are good.

ChiliPeppersFan said:
Paul Westlake said:
Guilty as charged.

But I didn’t go that far! Still… no arguments here. ;-)

no, not you…

ordinary said:
I think one reason it took so long to get this story out is because it went against the left wing media narrative of big pharma is evil and trial lawyers are good.

I missed that one! Thanks.

I was prepared to take my medicine for being the one to kick-off the politics on this one, but alas, a rightie DID beat me to it!

LOL

Honestly, nobody wanted to tell Jenny McCarthy that her beliefs might be false.

I like the fact that writers get the time to delve. Life isn’t easy, be honest.

Do y’all always have to touch the goal first?

Is it that important?

Paul Westlake said:
Newsweek asked, apparently. But since they’re part of the “liberal lamestream media,” it’s safe to assume you were one of the people who failed to say “WTF” back then, too.

Wrong again, ahole libby.

It made no sense to argue that it was the Thiomersal in vaccines that caused Autism, when independent studies showed there was not difference in Autism incident rates between those who were vaccinated and those who were not.

But you libs wanted to bludgeon the pharmaceutical companies , so you latched on to this canard and propagated it.

Now kindly STFU until YOU know what you are talking about, shitforbrains.

notsofast said:
Wrong again, ahole libby.

What a wordsmith you are.

notsofast said:
It made no sense to argue that it was the Thiomersal in vaccines that caused Autism, when independent studies showed there was not difference in Autism incident rates between those who were vaccinated and those who were not.

But you libs wanted to bludgeon the pharmaceutical companies , so you latched on to this canard and propagated it.

Bullshit. The liberals didn’t jump on this at all. In fact, it hasn’t really been much of a partisan issue from the beginning. There have been scares about the MMR since its inception, but most people continued to have their children vaccinated, liberal and conservative alike. The only partisan issue here is that a chump like you can spend 364 days of the year shitting on media outlets like Newsweek, only to cite them as an example on day 365 when it serves your argument.

notsofast said:
Now kindly STFU until YOU know what you are talking about, shitforbrains.

You just broke the irony meter… again! Maybe you should consider taking your finger out of the socket.

The Real Royal King said:
I haven’t been around any fights there, but after grandfathers, a father, uncles, cousins telling me countless jokes premised on gays being feminine, raging queens, I was surprised to learn in college that most are anything but …. At any rate, I can’t stand Patsy Cline. There’s a great dive over by the university with 36 tapped beers and a wrap around deck.

Dive bars don’t have 36 tapped beers.

Paul Westlake said:
The liberals didn’t jump on this at all.

BS- Many of your benighted celebrity chumps attacked the pharmaceutical companies for the MMR vaccination and advocated other parents stop their children from getting it. Oprah and Larry King had the dullards McCarthy and Jim Carry on as “experts” on this.

So do STFU because you know nothing and there has been not one scientifically reviewd study that indicates that the MMR vaccination caused Aurism; as a matter of fact, the opposite has been shown – no more likely to become autistic between those who receive the vaccination and . those who don’t receive it.

Paul Westlake said:
You just broke the irony meter…

No, that would be you- the author of some of the most stupid and easily disprovable claims talks about others not knowing what they are talking about.

Priceless.

RichS said:
Dive bars don’t have 36 tapped beers.

They do at America’s largest university campus.

lazzzlo said:
also…stop bullying people that don’t agree with you.

I wasn’t bullying Atticus. He is one of the few articulate and humorous rightists here. You are another.

RichS said:
Dive bars don’t have 36 tapped beers.

Never been to Austin, have ya?

notsofast said:
Many of your benighted celebrity chumps attacked the pharmaceutical companies for the MMR vaccination and advocated other parents stop their children from getting it. Oprah and Larry King had the dullards McCarthy and Jim Carry on as “experts” on this.

Oh, I see. I few idiot celebrities bought into it and you want that to translate to liberals campaigning against MMR. So what? Nobody in political or policy circles was calling for the MMR to be abolished. You never know what you’re talking about but you always know who you hate, no matter what the facts may be. Putz.

notsofast said:
So do STFU because you know nothing and there has been not one scientifically reviewd study that indicates that the MMR vaccination caused Aurism; as a matter of fact, the opposite has been shown – no more likely to become autistic between those who receive the vaccination and . those who don’t receive it.

One, I never defended the original study, and I never bought into it, because I had an MMR, as did all of my siblings and friends and none of us has become autistic. So I don’t know who you’re arguing with but it ain’t me.

Two, has it never dawned on you that telling people to STFU on the internet is about the most impotent thing you can say? I know you’re a self-hating bigot, but do you have to telegraph it so openly. It’s declasse.

notsofast said:
No, that would be you- the author of some of the most stupid and easily disprovable claims talks about others not knowing what they are talking about.

If my claims have been so easily disprovable, why haven’t you been able to disprove any?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA

FICA FUTA FICA FUTA WOOOO!!!!!

That isn’t disproving a claim because it wasn’t a claim, it was a misstatement. And I still beat your ass in that debate on the other, ACTUALLY important points. And just to finish the revisit on that, 7% of the first few grand on a paycheck is not much of a tax… if you’ll remember. So spout off all you like, preacher. I’m fine with any objective observer grading our work here. 100% fine with it. You can’t make that claim with a straight face.

Paul Westlake said:
If my claims have been so easily disprovable, why haven’t you been able to disprove any?

Ahole- YOU are the one who said employees pay for their unemployment insurance among other fantasies of your demented mind.

Paul Westlake said:
it wasn’t a claim, it was a misstatement

LMAO

Spin it ass wipe, spin it!

notsofast said:
Ahole- YOU are the one who said employees pay for their unemployment insurance among other fantasies of your demented mind.

notsofast said:
LMAO

Spin it ass wipe, spin it!

Wow, your foul language and insults are just so convincing. I realize you perceive it as a weakness to admit to making a mistake – thinking social security when we were talking unemployment – but serious people perceive it as honest and confident. You are not a serious person. And the proof is that you still think you won that debate. The point you were making was meaningless, because employers factor every cost into the total compensation of an employee, including FUTA, and many include the FUTA payments as justification for a lower wage. So, essentially, the employees DO pay for unemployment, even if indirectly. And you know how I know these things? Because I was hiring manager in a major corporation for years. You don’t have that experience, do you? No, you don’t. In fact, it’s clear you don’t have any experience with anything at all… except your anus.

Paul Westlake said:
Journalism may deserve a kick in the ass, but not at all in the way the right wing believes. That’s for damn sure.

Even the BMJ noted that “unbalanced media reporting” is partially responsible for this debacle. So, I’d say that journalism definitely deserves a “kick in the ass.” Many of them are not much more than propagandists.

notsofast said:
But you libs wanted to bludgeon the pharmaceutical companies , so you latched on to this canard and propagated it.

ordinary said:
I think one reason it took so long to get this story out is because it went against the left wing media narrative of big pharma is evil and trial lawyers are good.

Not sure which are worse: journalists or plaintiffs’ lawyers.

Pitiful, pathetic story. All those children, all those families, all the wasted time and money that could better have been used to understand and research Autism. And the years…wasted.

This should serve as a warning to all those conspiracy theorists……because that’s who bought into these lies.

Judge Mental said:
Many of them are not much more than propagandists.

For whom? That’s the question too many people seem to be answering wrong.

Paul Westlake said:
For whom? That’s the question too many people seem to be answering wrong.

It’s a well known fact that journalists skew to the left:

“In the most recent survey, 40% of journalists described themselves as being on the left side of the political spectrum (31% said they were “a little to the left” and 9% “pretty far to the left”)…. According to 2002 Gallup data in ‘The American Journalist,’ only 17% of the public characterized themselves as leaning leftward, and 41% identified themselves as tilting to the right. In other words, journalists are still more than twice as likely to lean leftward than the population overall.”

http://www.journalism.org/node/2304

Judge Mental said:
It’s a well known fact that journalists skew to the left:

“In the most recent survey, 40% of journalists described themselves as being on the left side of the political spectrum (31% said they were “a little to the left” and 9% “pretty far to the left”)…. According to 2002 Gallup data in ‘The American Journalist,’ only 17% of the public characterized themselves as leaning leftward, and 41% identified themselves as tilting to the right. In other words, journalists are still more than twice as likely to lean leftward than the population overall.”

http://www.journalism.org/node/2304

Nothing new in any of that, except that the trend is toward fewer liberal reporters. However, the aspect that everyone gets wrong – and I mean everyone – is that those very journalists don’t make the rules. They don’t set editorial policy and they don’t deal with the advertisers that pay the bills. While it is obvious that journalists tend to be liberal (it comes with the territory of open-mindedness, which is why fewer conservatives even consider journalism), what is less obvious is the conservative bias in editorial policy. For instance, during the health care debate, you would have had to strain very hard to hear any mention of the single payer option favored by liberals and progressives on any outlet, from the networks to the cables. The public option, when it was mentioned at all, was almost always described as dead on arrival, even when liberals knew there were plenty of votes to scrounge up for that provision.

So, it really cuts both ways. But the more significant, and more damaging, form of censorship is the one of omission. When a liberal reports a story with a slant, you at least know the story and can usually see through the slant. But when a story is simply quashed, there is no “you decide” part of the equation, which hurts us all. And there’s no chance to even argue with the slant because the slant is, in itself, opaque. And I’m not even saying it’s always a conservative slant that drives the bias of omission, but it IS always corporate and it always represents a commercial conflict of interest. We can’t trust anyone with a commercial conflict of interest. And while reporter may have personal, and even commercial, agendas, it’s their bosses who run the media empires who have the most at stake, and are the most commercially conflicted.