Black is hilarious – thanks for posting this.

Beck and Olby are the two biggest egomaniac douchebags on cable news.

The only difference is with Keith you get one side of the story and with Glenn you get made up stories.

Great Companion piece, Tommy. Maybe you could do one on this earlier story too:

Liberals Outraged by Labeling Bias, But Only If It Involves Fox

The latest meme among the legions of lefty Fox-haters is that FNC “distorted” or “skewed” the ObamaCare debate by instructing employees to call the “public option” the “government option” or some variation of that. The horror!

Of course none of the Fox-haters uttered a word of criticism when National Public Radio officially instructed employees to drop the “pro-life” and “pro-choice” labels in favor of “abortion rights opponent” and “abortion rights advocate,” labels that clearly frame the debate favorably for the pro-choice position (who wants someone’s rights denied them, after all?).

So Fox’s critics are now in the awkward position of having to admit that if Fox is nothing but a partisan shill, than (by the labeling logic) NPR is no better.

And in fact NPR is far from the only outlet to incorporate a labeling bias into its reporting on the abortion issue. The AP and UPI style books both recommend that reporters use the term “abortion rights.” But the very notion that there is a “right” to have an abortion skews the issue towards the pro-choice side of the debate.

AP’s recommended labels do make the issue a bit less obscure – neither side of the debate is “anti-life” or “anti-choice” (despite the claims of many, many individuals on the pro-choice side of that debate). But they undoubtedly skew the issue towards the liberal position.

Likewise, while Fox’s replacement of the “public option” label with “government option” made the proposal sound less appealing, it also presented the issue more accurately and in far less vague (arguably propagandistic) terminology. But don’t take Fox’s word for it. Even Time Magazine’s health care reporter Kate Pickert defended Fox’s decision:

Most Americans did not understand what the “public option” was. The term, in fact, seemed almost intentionally non-descriptive. Scores of journalists asked me during the health care debate to explain to them what the public option was – and these were folks interested in the news and paying attention to the issue…

Given all of this, was it really useful for readers and viewers for reporters to use the term “public option,” which leaves out two very important words – “insurance” and “government”? I think no. In my own reporting, I sometimes just used the term “public option.” One other occasions, I made an effort to add descriptors and qualifiers or say “public plan.”…

There’s nothing wrong with saying “government-run plan.” That’s what the public option would have been.

*****UPDATE: Slate’s Jack Shaefer comes to Fox’s defense as well, and echoes some of the same points made here regarding abortion terminology. The piece’s sub-heading reads: “If using the phrase government option is spinning the news, so is using public option.” Shafer concludes thusly:

That the Washington managing editor of Fox News disagrees with the journalistic pack on how to cover a story is no crime against journalism. Hell, he should be celebrated as a minor hero and given a balsa-wood and tin plaque to commemorate his independence.

There are reasons to hate Fox News. This isn’t one of them.

Read more: http://newsbusters.org/blogs/lachlan-markay/2010/12/09/liberals-outraged-labeling-bias-only-if-it-involves-fox#ixzz17ej7tBFe

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
The latest meme among the legions of lefty Fox-haters is that FNC “distorted” or “skewed” the ObamaCare debate by instructing employees to call the “public option” the “government option” or some variation of that. The horror!

We already have a topic about the public option and terminology so take your Newsbusters copy pasta and get the fuck out ouf this thread and go there, mkay.

Jesus Christ, this is why you got banned 9 times!

Now back to the topic…..

Oh, did I make BFD mad again!? Shocking!!

Hey Tommy, the History Channel has often gone wall to wall Nazi 24/7… Oh, never mind. You don’t get it about anything.

TristramShandy said:
Hey Tommy, the History Channel has often gone wall to wall Nazi 24/7… Oh, never mind. You don’t get it about anything.

Comparing the History Channel to Glen Beck? Really? LMAO!!

Fact: Photoshop. No problem. Funny comedy routine video to boot. Liberal propaganda machine in action but again it’s just ‘Slime in the Ice machine Mediaite style”.

SarahP said:
Comparing the History Channel to Glen Beck? Really? LMAO!!

Fact: Thanks, Glenn beck does allot of history segments.

i can see how some people might enjoy beck, but seriously, you guys cannot believe the horseshit this guy talks about can you?
i know ko goes over the top but he is enjoyable to watch. at least for me, his grasp and weaving in of contemporary pop culture throughout his show is both witty and funny.
beck just has to understand that no matter what he thinks of obama, our country can withstand even beck’s crazy conspiracy theories. after all, we made it 8 years through arguably the worst president ever.

Just4thefax said:
Fact: Thanks, Glenn beck does allot of history segments.

Maybe but you haven’t passed remedial English.

SarahP, you’ve been laughing your ass off so much lately that I’m surprised you’re even still around. I think you and the Black Death have a lot in common, you both have been making people sick for centuries.

Why does Dwight Schrute keep posting on Mediaite?

TristramShandy said:
SarahP, you’ve been laughing your ass off so much lately that I’m surprised you’re even still around. I think you and the Black Death have a lot in common, you both have been making people sick for centuries.

For centuries? You taking your medication as directed. You make it so easy Tristram with your trite, banal posts.. The funny part is, you somehow have come to believe you have something clever to say when in fact you are a simple goof. LMAO!! And have been doing it for centuries!!

PS – Keep em coming…please.

someone in another post made an apt comparison of beck to father coughlin and when history looks back on beck, that is exactly what he will be…just another sad religious nut who makes his money peddling hate.

I think everyone needs to stop with the damn Nazi talk. The only people as bad as Nazi’s are actual Nazi’s. The group responsible for the largest genocide in the history of our 4.5 BILLION year old planet. 6 MILLION Jews killed. It’s enough already.

Just4thefax said:
Fact: Photoshop. No problem. Funny comedy routine video to boot. Liberal propaganda machine in action but again it’s just ‘Slime in the Ice machine Mediaite style”.

Don’t you dare sully Marvin Zinder’s legacy by comparing his work to that of Beck’s.

Ok, so today is my first day to post here. I’ve been coming here for months because I really like the site. But this particular piece forced me to register in order to make a comment. First off, I am a proud american who happens to be a conservative republican. I love to watch fox news and glenn beck…but come on guys, this video was very funny! If we can’t laugh at ourselves sometimes then we’re taking everything way too serious. Relax a little, enjoy life and realize that nothing any of us say here will change anything. Keep up the good work mediaite!!!!!!!!! peace.

Thank you for calling out your colleague for putting out a hit piece under the guise of “The aim is to eliminate extraneous Nazi references from the national discourse… ”

And most of all, thanks for bringing back that Lewis Black clip, it’s golden.

Just for fun though, tell us how many times Beck makes certain references.

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
The latest meme among the legions of lefty Fox-haters is that FNC “distorted” or “skewed” the ObamaCare debate by instructing employees to call the “public option” the “government option” or some variation of that. The horror!

On the list of “when is Fox News not the News?” that story certainly isn’t a big deal since it was technically true. The question is why did a news source “not their opinion shows but the news, choose that phase? Was it for accuracy’s sake, or based on reaction?

This happens to be the exact phrase that Republican pollster Frank Luntz had advised Republicans to begin using to describe the public option — on Sean Hannity’s show, no less.

Speaking to Hannity in August 2009, Luntz said that “if you call it a ‘public option,’ the American people are split,” but that “if you call it the ‘government option,’ the public is overwhelmingly against it.”

So, it’s at least interesting that someone would say that on their network, and then instructions get sent out for the “NEWS” people to use that phrase. Still, it’s small potatoes. However;

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
Of course none of the Fox-haters uttered a word of criticism when National Public Radio officially instructed employees to drop the “pro-life” and “pro-choice” labels in favor of “abortion rights opponent” and “abortion rights advocate,” labels that clearly frame the debate favorably for the pro-choice position (who wants someone’s rights denied them, after all?).

What the hell kind of logic is this? Abortion rights is more positive than pro choice? I never liked the terms pro choice and pro life because they seemed far to innocuous about a serious issue. I’m both pro choice and pro life, but the issue of abortion is not included in wither of those descriptions. If you see abortion as an immoral act of taking a life then having the term used in the description , even with rights, doesn’t make it more atractive than pro choice, probably less so. IMO that argument and comparison is pretty spurious.

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
But the very notion that there is a “right” to have an abortion skews the issue towards the pro-choice side of the debate.

As long as abortion is legal, the right exists, so again, a spurious argument

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
There’s nothing wrong with saying “government-run plan.” That’s what the public option would have been.

I agree, Government run insurance option , seems accurate to me. Neither public option or government option explains anything in a descriptive way. Of course then it depends on the nature of the discussion about the government run option and I’d bet $50 that we’d find far more negative comments than positive or neutral if we could go back and check.

Pokerdude777 said:
Ok, so today is my first day to post here. I’ve been coming here for months because I really like the site. But this particular piece forced me to register in order to make a comment. First off, I am a proud american who happens to be a conservative republican. I love to watch fox news and glenn beck…but come on guys, this video was very funny! If we can’t laugh at ourselves sometimes then we’re taking everything way too serious. Relax a little, enjoy life and realize that nothing any of us say here will change anything. Keep up the good work mediaite!!!!!!!!! peace.

spot on pokerdude…one of the funniest things on saturday night live last year was ben afflack (who i think, sucks as an actor) doing keith olbermann and talking about his cat.

Nacho said:
Thank you for calling out your colleague for putting out a hit piece under the guise of “The aim is to eliminate extraneous Nazi references from the national discourse… ”

And most of all, thanks for bringing back that Lewis Black clip, it’s golden.

It was and is very funny.” Nazi Tourettes” I remember howling when I first heard it.

“Earlier today, Mediaite’s Matt Schneider compiled a rather damning list of examples of Keith Olbermann making Nazi references”

Which made little Tommy cry. But it gave him the opportunity to write about Glenn beck. Little Tommy is happy again.

Ahhh, you jokers! now you’ve dug this one out after been called out on your Olberman Nazi reference. Jokers.

Hawk11 said:
I think everyone needs to stop with the damn Nazi talk. The only people as bad as Nazi’s are actual Nazi’s. The group responsible for the largest genocide in the history of our 4.5 BILLION year old planet. 6 MILLION Jews killed. It’s enough already.

I will happily agree with you that Hitler’s Nazis were some bad people but we must not leave out the communists! Mao Tse Tung, for instance, murdered perhaps 60,000,000 of his own people and “good old Joe” (Stalin as he was called by FDR) murdered as many as 10,000,000 Russians. Comparitively, Hitler was a lightweight when it came to genocide.

That said, the Nazis are about a LOT more than genocide, although their agenda ultimately leads to such. For the moment, then, I believe Mr. Beck is talking about the economic philosophies of the Nazis, which is a sysstem where the government runs all businesses (banks, factories, etc.) and systems (healthcare, media, infrastructure, transportation, etc.). Do current government actions not resemble the Nazis in your view? Be honest with yourself as you think about GM, Chrysler, -0bamacare, current activities of the FCC and it pertains to the media and internet, banks, amtrak, etc.

Pokerdude777 said:
Ok, so today is my first day to post here. I’ve been coming here for months because I really like the site. But this particular piece forced me to register in order to make a comment. First off, I am a proud american who happens to be a conservative republican. I love to watch fox news and glenn beck…but come on guys, this video was very funny! If we can’t laugh at ourselves sometimes then we’re taking everything way too serious. Relax a little, enjoy life and realize that nothing any of us say here will change anything. Keep up the good work mediaite!!!!!!!!! peace.

Welcome Pokerdude! I would hope your optimism would not fade but this is without doubt one of the most partisan sites one could hope to find. You’d have a better chance of hitting a royal flush on the river at the Bellagio while holding 7-2 offsuit in the hole than seeing some folks “laugh at themselves” on this site.

To my knowlage Glenn as never given the Hitler salute… Olbermann has.

pyrope said:

That said, the Nazis are about a LOT more than genocide, although their agenda ultimately leads to such. For the moment, then, I believe Mr. Beck is talking about the economic philosophies of the Nazis, which is a sysstem where the government runs all businesses (banks, factories, etc.) and systems (healthcare, media, infrastructure, transportation, etc.). Do current government actions not resemble the Nazis in your view? Be honest with yourself as you think about GM, Chrysler, -0bamacare, current activities of the FCC and it pertains to the media and internet, banks, amtrak, etc.

The government doesn’t own healthcare. The government trying to help to insure those without healthcare in order to help bring down the cost of healthcare. The idea of the public option was not to take over the whole healthcare system, it was to give people an option that would have people actually shopping for healthcare to get the best deal and keep the industry honest. No, that doesn’t resemble Nazi’s
GM just went public again. The bailout of GM and Chrysler was a loan that saved well over a million jobs across the country. No, that doesn’t resemble the Nazi’s
Hate to remind you but the bank bailout was Bush/Cheney. Were what they did resemble Nazi’s to you? I don’t think so, but what the people who run the banks did might be in question.

You go on believing that what is going on in certain circumstances resembles a fascist government, but it’s just not the case. As long as there is a congress there can be no fascism. It’s impossible to convince those who take “Mr. Beck” as being any kind of authority on anything that they need to expand their thoughts and look to different sources. Personally, I’ve realized that it’s a lost cause trying to relate to those that post on here that are such ardent supporters of this entertainer. He knows who his base is and he caters to them. He’s a very well paid game show host. He is what the right wing needs at 5pm. And please don’t lecture me about those on the left. I disagree with them just as much.

Fact: Hawk11 The government doesn’t own healthcare. Not yet but there trying too. So, if you want healthcare buy it. If you want GM buy it. If you want Glenn Beck watch it. If you don’t want to watch Glenn Beck turn him off but when government runs and controls systems cars, banks, healthcare you lose control of your freedoms little by little because they are the only ones you have and are being cut shorter by the day. Government run service are the ones that buy 2000.00 hammers or 5000.00 toilets or try to repair roads and bridges with the lowest bidder not the best one for the job. When has anything that the government controls worked well? No not Medicare it’s having problems paying for Dr. Care. No not social security it’s going bankrupt. Look, why where you born entitled for all this? Birds in nature are more responsible than people out there once they get pushed out of the nest that’s it no more freebees. Zilch nada nothing. As far as the left they are always wrong. That’s the fact.

Hitler was the ultimate authoritarian dictator and to call Obama and the Democrat’s policies Nazi-like is a sick joke. The Republicans, however, in their unified zeal to destroy Obama, and, possibly, America, at the same time, is a reality that is currently staring us in the face. Why the right hates everything European is that the Europeans are very gun shy about authoritarian government and fascism. They’ve been there done that and have learned a deep lesson about authoritarianism. The Germans, especially, are the most peace loving people on the planet and will remain that way for many more years to come. Also, most every Euroepan country is a social democracy which means that while they are basically capitalistic they also incorporate many policies that we would consider, shudder, shudder, socialistic. That’s why they have better health, education and social welfare, etc. And it’s why with even current cut backs world wide, they still take much better care of their citizens. Unfortunately, Americans have never really had a fascist fling and the rightwing seems hell bent on tipping over much of what’s made this country great. Most European governments, even the conservative led ones, are miles to the left of the Democratic Party. Beck is a psycopathic agitator and it’s very sad that he’s taken so seriously by people who are mesmerized by him and the rightwing media outlet run by Rupert Murdoch. While Murdoch is no Joseph Goebbels, he’s still a pretty sick meglomaniac.

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
Liberals Outraged by Labeling Bias, But Only If It Involves Fox

We are all a hypocrites, regardless of political philosophy:

http://today.yougov.com/news/2010/12/08/negativeity-american-apple-pie/

Here’s hoping that Keith ate food that’ll make him taste extra sweet tonight!

Lean Forward to swallow Tommy.

Left calls the right Nazis, right call left Nazis.

Can’t we agree that neither are actually Nazis?

Hawk11 said:
I think everyone needs to stop with the damn Nazi talk. The only people as bad as Nazi’s are actual Nazi’s. The group responsible for the largest genocide in the history of our 4.5 BILLION year old planet. 6 MILLION Jews killed. It’s enough already.

exactly

ganymede said:
Hitler was the ultimate authoritarian dictator and to call Obama and the Democrat’s policies Nazi-like is a sick joke. The Republicans, however, in their unified zeal to destroy Obama, and, possibly, America, at the same time, is a reality that is currently staring us in the face. Why the right hates everything European is that the Europeans are very gun shy about authoritarian government and fascism. They’ve been there done that and have learned a deep lesson about authoritarianism. The Germans, especially, are the most peace loving people on the planet and will remain that way for many more years to come. Also, most every Euroepan country is a social democracy which means that while they are basically capitalistic they also incorporate many policies that we would consider, shudder, shudder, socialistic. That’s why they have better health, education and social welfare, etc. And it’s why with even current cut backs world wide, they still take much better care of their citizens. Unfortunately, Americans have never really had a fascist fling and the rightwing seems hell bent on tipping over much of what’s made this country great. Most European governments, even the conservative led ones, are miles to the left of the Democratic Party. Beck is a psycopathic agitator and it’s very sad that he’s taken so seriously by people who are mesmerized by him and the rightwing media outlet run by Rupert Murdoch. While Murdoch is no Joseph Goebbels, he’s still a pretty sick meglomaniac.

That was so incoherent it is almost impossible to understand. Do you suppose that, Englad, Greece, Germany, and Spain warning us not to go down the path to Socialism has anything to do with how great their countries are. They have learned their lessons and are moving away from Socialism while Obama is full steam ahead towards it. The Europeans are not miles to the left of Democrats, the Obama administration is miles to the left of Castro.

Also, socialized medicine in Europe is not nearly as good as the systems we have here. I lived in Europe for a while and know this first hand. Yes, the people have care but it is bad, waits are long, it is rationed, and taxes are through the roof.

The dumbest ting you said was some babbling about Democrats are not like Nazis but, Republicans, well, tha’s a different story. Your comment, makes no sense.

http://crazyconservative.wordpress.com/

Seeing 2012 From My Window said:
Great Companion piece, Tommy. Maybe you could do one on this earlier story too:

Liberals Outraged by Labeling Bias, But Only If It Involves Fox

The AP/UPI style manuals were the first thing that came to mind when I saw the Fox piece (the NPR observation is less compelling), but I quarrel with the abortion example, mainly because the prior labels were more pejorative in the opposite direction.

However, the premise that Fox News has just as much right to set their editorial style as the AP is compelling, at least enough to give them some cover. The problem is that there’s a pretty clear connection between this and the Luntz memo, plus Sammon’s own politics.

Still, I think most honest conservatives wink, at best, at the notion that Fox doesn’t have a conservative bias. Hell, Fox kinda winks at it.

” the most horrific tragedy in human history”

I beg to disagree – try counting the number of women killed by men in domestic situations – don’t forget “honour killings”, and all the other perverse permutations devised by men to destroy women. Now that is a “horrific tragedy”.

Hawk11 said:
GM just went public again.

Has it? Then tell me please why -0bama appointed a government stooge to run it? And Chrysler? Is that not still run by the government? (ANSWER: YES)

Hawk11 said:
The government doesn’t own healthcare.

It does now; it’s called -0bamacare

Hawk11 said:
Hate to remind you but the bank bailout was Bush/Cheney. Were what they did resemble Nazi’s to you? I don’t think so, but what the people who run the banks did might be in question.

I never said Bush was right did I? And the government still dictates policy to not only many banks, but to FMAC, FNMA, and quite a few other privately owned entities. Soon, if -0bama, Capps, Lloyd, and Sunstein have their way, the -0bama regime will control the media–including the internet.

You can split hairs and argue semantics all you want, but if you think this country is not suffering under the boot of a despicable mixture of fascisim, socialism, communism most normally referred to as “progressivism” then you are sadly mistaken. If you think if this regime succeeds you will still live in a free country, you are tragically mistaken.

Study your history and look at what’s happening over the last 100 years throughout the world. Do you think the country of my birth (Greece) was in the economic dungheap it is in now when I left there to come here in 1966? I will tell you; it was NOT, but I am one of the lucky ones who saw the writing on the wall. The once wealthy people in Greece have either left or lost all their money.

Now, with the same analytical eye, look at what’s going on in Portugal, Spain, Italy, Ireland, and even in the UK. What got them into the shape they’re in? The answer is so easy a cave man could get it: Deficit spending and Debt!

You think it cannot happen here? You think the John Maynard Keynes model that posits that debt and deficits won’t ruin the US economy? Look at your personal finances–could you, in your personal life, do what our government (and the aforementioned governments) have and are doing? Of course you could not, but if you think what the -0bama regime is doing now (nationalizing industries and banks) will make things better, then there is no hope for you–your mind is beyond redemption.

EricBoisen said:
Left calls the right Nazis, right call left Nazis. Can’t we agree that neither are actually Nazis?

Can we not also agree that communism and fascism are pretty much the same thing? A formula for failure.

pyrope said:
Has it? Then tell me please why -0bama appointed a government stooge to run it? And Chrysler? Is that not still run by the government? (ANSWER: YES)

Actually, the answer is no. I believe Chrysler is now own by Fiat (an Italian company). Also, If you just loaned someone billions of dollars wouldn’t you want someone to oversee it? Has GM become profitable? Yes.

Next

pyrope said:
It does now; it’s called -0bamacare

What about medicare? Do you disagree with that? The most efficient healthcare system in the country and run by the government for over 50 years. Does the government run the entire healthcare system? No. There’s Cigna, Wellpoint, Blue Cross, United Healthcare…None of them government owned. FOX would just have you believe with talking points that Obama’s healthcare plan (which is also mainly republican ideas) is a government takeover… it’s not.

Ok, Now here’s a history lesson for you… In the past 50 years the 2 presidents who raised the debt more than anyone were G W Bush and (wait for it) Ronald Reagan. The last time it went up was during World War II. Reagan’s were for the cause of trickle down economics. How did that work out? As a matter of fact, Bush did the same thing. How did that work out? As a matter of fact, republicans want it again now. How will that work out?

Fact: On12/11/2010 Go Navy beat Army!

Hawk11 said:
“The government doesn’t own healthcare.”

pyrope says
“It does now; it’s called -0bamacare”

Pyrope, don’t even pretend going forward that you have a clue about what you’re talking about.

Regulation does not equal ownership. Your “information” is nothing more than programming by the programmers (propagandists).

Let’s get real, Tommy and everyone else equating Olbermann with Beck: From January 19 to Oct 15th of this year, Beck has referred to:

Hitler 218 times, Germany 252 times and Nazis 267 times. That is compared to addressing a real problem this country faces, Bin Laden 45 times. Like many other topics, Beck seems ignorant to Godwin’s Law and its upshot (Beck loses the argument).
http://www.sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/2010/11/glenn-beck-meet-godwins-law.html

Tommy, did you forget that Beck suffers from Nazi Tourette’s Syndrome?
http://www.sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/2010/07/still-doubt-that-beck-is-hypocrite.html

GlennBeckReview said:
Let’s get real, Tommy and everyone else equating Olbermann with Beck: From January 19 to Oct 15th of this year, Beck has referred to:

Hitler 218 times, Germany 252 times and Nazis 267 times. That is compared to addressing a real problem this country faces, Bin Laden 45 times. Like many other topics, Beck seems ignorant to Godwin’s Law and its upshot (Beck loses the argument).
http://www.sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/2010/11/glenn-beck-meet-godwins-law.html

Tommy, did you forget that Beck suffers from Nazi Tourette’s Syndrome?
http://www.sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/2010/07/still-doubt-that-beck-is-hypocrite.html

It’s a little insulting that you make points that I addressed in my article, as though you had never read it. In fact, the points you raise are the entire basis for this piece.

Tommy Christopher says:
“It’s a little insulting that you make points that I addressed in my article, as though you had never read it.”

You’re right; my bad. I apologize but have to wonder when…

Oregon Conservative says:
“Here’s hoping that Keith ate food that’ll make him taste extra sweet tonight!
Lean Forward to swallow Tommy.”

How is that not VERY insulting? You provide a counter balance to the Olbermann story, and this “conservative” (more like reactionary) gets a pass on his insult? (I know, mine was born of sloppy laziness; but OC’s is just nasty and vulgar.)

Tommy Christopher said:
It’s a little insulting that you make points that I addressed in my article, as though you had never read it. In fact, the points you raise are the entire basis for this piece.

You’ll have to cut GlennBeckReview a little slack, Tommy. He’s insane. It isn’t his fault.

GlennBeckReview said:
Regulation does not equal ownership.

Mussolini just blew you a kiss from the great beyond. What a good little fascist you’d be!

GlennBeckReview said:
Tommy Christopher says:
“It’s a little insulting that you make points that I addressed in my article, as though you had never read it.”

You’re right; my bad. I apologize but have to wonder when…

Oregon Conservative says:
“Here’s hoping that Keith ate food that’ll make him taste extra sweet tonight!
Lean Forward to swallow Tommy.”

How is that not VERY insulting? You provide a counter balance to the Olbermann story, and this “conservative” (more like reactionary) gets a pass on his insult? (I know, mine was born of sloppy laziness; but OC’s is just nasty and vulgar.)

I expect nothing from trolls. Ironically, you’re drawing a false equivalence there.

This isn’t breaking news, and it’s not accurate.

Glenn Beck talks about national socialism a lot, but he rarely if ever actually invokes Hitler or uses Nazi as a political curse word. He does, however, talk quite frequently and accurately about the ideological links between Progressivism and Hitler’s national socialist party (and occasionally Mussolini’s Italian fascist party, which is essentially national socialism) and how Joseph Goebbels admired many of Woodrow Wilson’s top advisers.

Tommy, why not follow MSNBC’s request to LEAN all the way FORWARD and spread them. LMAO

That’s because he IS a wannabe Nazi. Guten morgen, Glenn & Republiscum. (Der abschaum der menschheit.) Ja! Wiederbetaetigung, nein?? Jawohl!!

Tony Westover says:
“This isn’t breaking news, and it’s not accurate. Glenn Beck talks about national socialism a lot, but he rarely if ever actually invokes Hitler….”

Writing of “not accurate, ” 218 times in 9 months is “rarely?” That’s more than once/day. Tony, you’ve been taken in, hoodwinked by a performance artist to such as extent that you can’t hear what you’re being told unless you want to hear it, such as:

“….talk quite frequently and accurately about the ideological links between Progressivism and Hitler’s national socialist party (and occasionally Mussolini’s Italian fascist party, which is essentially national socialism) and how Joseph Goebbels admired many of Woodrow Wilson’s top advisers.”

Actually, just one adviser, the propagandist and that is according to Beck who has never shared that document (Goebbels’ diary I believe.) Problem with believing anything that comes out of Beck’s mouth is that so much of it is flat-out made up.
http://www.sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/2010/12/glenn-becks-bare-knuckle-smash-mouth.html

How do you know that Beck is “accurate about the ideological links between Progressivism and Hitler’s national socialist party?” How often do you actually fact-check Beck? You do realize that the progressives in the Roosevelt Administration fought Hitler’s Germany in WWII, right? Ideological link indeed! I’d like to bring up the well documented links (cooperation) between American capitalists and Hitler’s regime, but they are beside the point, which is that you’re being sold a bill of goods by a con man. I just don’t think that there’s a place in politics for snake oil or its salesman.

And on the number of Hitler references:
http://www.sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/2010/11/glenn-beck-meet-godwins-law.html

Hawk11 said:
Actually, the answer is no. I believe Chrysler is now own by Fiat (an Italian company). Also, If you just loaned someone billions of dollars wouldn’t you want someone to oversee it? Has GM become profitable? Yes.

Fiat did NOT pay the US government the full amount of money loaned to it. Neither did they pay the union legacy costs. Fiat is merely running things at Chrysler now.

Hawk11 said:
What about medicare? Do you disagree with that? The most efficient healthcare system in the country and run by the government for over 50 years.

Medicare is in the hole some $10 TRILLION. If that’s your idea of efficient healthcare, you need to take four bottles of laxitive because you are full of something you should purge from your body.

Hawk11 said:
Ok, Now here’s a history lesson for you… In the past 50 years the 2 presidents who raised the debt more than anyone were G W Bush and (wait for it) Ronald Reagan.

While Ronald Reagan raised the debt because Jimmy Carter had gutted the military and our intel networks in the Middle East, I don’t let him off the hook for having done so. In fact, I have taken Mr. Reagan to task because during his administration silver was selling for about $2.30 on the spot market and he should have put the dollar back on the silver standard. He did not. (Silver closed today ~$28.60. So, instead of having a dollar that’s worth something, we have a dollar that’s not worth the paper it’s printed on.)

You have apparently missed my admonishing comments on GW Bush, as well. I did not support bailing out banks and I did not support bailing out automakers. In our history, I have noted Hudson, Studebaker, Kaiser, Deusenberg, Frazier, Hutchison, and MANY other automakers have faded into history. No one bailed them out because it was right to let them fail–one should eschew rewarding bad behavior and I don’t think even you would throw good money after bad.

GlennBeckReview said:
Pyrope, don’t even pretend going forward that you have a clue about what you’re talking about.
Regulation does not equal ownership. Your “information” is nothing more than programming by the programmers (propagandists).

GBR, if two things are constant, one is that Polaris will orient us toward the north and the other is that you will defend the indefensible while attacking fact like a toothless chihuahua going after Charles Manson. I will admit that I have only read <1,100 pages of HR 3962 Affordable Health Care for America Act and speak with authority when I tell you it is the most convoluted, poorly written, confusing piece of legislation I have ever read. (And I've read some!) The biggest problem I have with it is so much of the writing is ambiguous–it can be interpreted in any of several ways–and if you think that's OK, ask yourself whether you would sign a contract that was not specific. I hope you would say you would NOT! Well, this is a binding contract but the trouble is, it can be enforced in any manner of ways. Even more troubling is that the terms and conditions of key parts of this "contract" can be changed through Executive Order, so it could be applied one way during one administration and another way in another administration. What kind of insanity is that? Then, one must examine the "exceptions" to this legislation–exempted are the Federal government and labor unions. For the rest of us, if we ever give up our private coverage (or if we can no longer pay for it or if our insurance company goes out of business–which it likely will), we must forever accept whatever we may get from -0bamacare. In five years, anyone coming of age will have NO CHOICE BUT -0BAMACARE. Finally, the costs of -0bamacare is paid for by 10 years of revenue but only covers its operation for 6 years. In other words, -0bamacare is starting at a 40% deficit. Now if you are so niaive as to think that's a good idea, you're in a heap of trouble.

Hawk11 said:
As a matter of fact, republicans want it again now. How will that work out?

If you’re saying that you’re against more deficit spending, if you’re saying that you’re against piling up more debt, then we have grounds for agreement. This country MUST get its financial house in order or our economy will end up like the country of my birth.

Oregon Conservative says:
“Here’s hoping that Keith ate food that’ll make him taste extra sweet tonight!
Lean Forward to swallow Tommy.”

GlennBeckReview says:
“How is that not VERY insulting? You provide a counter balance to the Olbermann story, and this “conservative” (more like reactionary) gets a pass on his insult? (I know, mine was born of sloppy laziness; but OC’s is just nasty and vulgar.)”

Tommy Christopher says:
Mediaite Staff
“I expect nothing from trolls. Ironically, you’re drawing a false equivalence there.”

Fair enough; trolls are not worth remarking about. Got that. What I’ve had to sleep on, though, is the “false equivalence” that you claim I’m “drawing.” First, that certainly wasn’t my intention. I was drawing a CONTRAST between the conscious and vulgar insult that was flung at you without apology and my lazy, strident and misplaced criticism that you perceived as a “little” insult to which I did apologize. I just don’t see that as an equivalence, false or otherwise.

If you’re claiming that OC did not insult you, then I’m baffled. OC’s vulger insult and my inadvertent, little insult are not equivalent except they are both insults (as you perceived them). There is nothing false about that, but there is a huge difference between them and your reaction to them. That’s what I was pointing to.

I’m not after an apology or a response Tommy, just an understanding (if we have one).

GlennBeckReview said:
“Pyrope, don’t even pretend going forward that you have a clue about what you’re talking about.
Regulation does not equal ownership. Your “information” is nothing more than programming by the programmers (propagandists).”

pyrope says:
“GBR, if two things are constant, [bla bla bla]. Now if you are so niaive as to think that’s a good idea, you’re in a heap of trouble.”

Nothing you wrote about that bill counters what I wrote, that control (regulation) does not equal ownership. Since you claim that it does, explain to the world why your understanding of this highly legal document matters. You don’t seem bright enough to understand legalese.

You prefer that health insurance companies be allowed to put the screws to their customers. If you think that is a good idea, they it’s you who’s in a heap of trouble there sock-puppet, pyrope.

Both Beck, Olberman, or any pundit who over invokes Hitler to prove a point are terribly wrong. IMHO referencing Hitler too much trivializes his evils. I love Louis Black’s humor on this topic.

Glenn Beck was certainly in the news with his 08/28/10 rally “Restoring Honor” at the footsteps of the Washington monument in the US capital. It was officially t restore America’s values. Whose American values I wonder. It was claimed to be above politics yet it featured many second amendment rights speakers. The 2nd amendment is the right to bear arms. What of the 75 percent of US citizens who want restrictions on semi automatic assault weapons. Is the Beck rally crowd for the men who carried semi automatic weapons at Obama Health Care rallies. NRA supporter Ted Nugent will be a key note speaker. Sarah Palin, former Republican Alaska governer, Republican John McCain’s running mate 2008 is a gung ho supporter of the NRA too.

The Beck rally denounced by some civil rights leaders because it was on the same date, and site , Lincoln Memorial, of the Rev. Martin L. King speech 47 years ago. . My source is the Washington Post. One of the main protesters is Al Sharpton who in his own way, as controversial as Beck. He held a “Restoring the Dream” rally. One thing I say is I am definitely for free speech. In my opinion one doesn’t stop any free speech. The way to counteract any demonstration is to stage or be part of a counterdemonstration. Free speech no matter how heinous is protected by the US Constitution. I support Sharpton’s right to hold a counter rally. I don’t necessarily mean I support his views or Beck’s for that matter. The emotional conservative pundit claimed the event was nonpolitical in nature. It was quite Christian with many of the speakers urging a turning back toward Christ. It was reported in the Washington Post that Beck claimed the date of his rally was a mere coincidence. It was a divine intervention. Is it just me or does that statement hinge of grandiose in terms of religiosity? The conservative pundit is a Mormon. I am in no way criticizing Mormonism. I am merely stating a fact.

One recent rumor is that the right wing pundit raped and murdered a young woman in 1990. Yes you read that c

However there are people who think the commentator is problematic. There is a site sponsored by Glenn Beck that is known as 912project. There are nine principles outlined. The first one is America is good. I think this can be interpreted in at least two ways. America being Americans are good. That is they are hard working people who love freedom. The second interpretation is the US is full of major problems such as in no particular order, racism, poverty, pollution, poor economy etc. In other words Americans are basically good but there are major problems in this nation. There are folks who are of the opinion that principle 2 and principle 7 are contradictory. These principles are listed on Beck’s 912.project.com site. It’s named in reference to the first day post 9/11/01. You can see the full list of what Beck and his 912 supporters are urged to believe in at http://www.912project.com. The arguement is if you believe in the LORD then its only right to give money to charities. As I see it the pundit isn’t saying not to give to charities. I believe principle #7 is related to US govt. spending, ie taxes. However the fact is taxes are how the US public pays for US govt. services. As much as many of hate the IRS we need to pay for services somehow. Plus the reality that with the tax cuts going to the most wealthy, this leaves the heaviest tax burden to the middle class. He is on record saying he is not for Christian churches that espouse social justice. He states social justice is a code word for Communism. Reverand Jim Wallis of the Christian group, Sojourners. He believes social justice is the heart of Christianity. Wallis mentions Martin Luther King, Desmond Tutu and Mother Theresa as shining examples of doing social justice, ie helping those less fortunate. Reverend Cannon Chemberlin, president of the National Council of Churches of 100,1000 churches, 45 million members strongly felt Beck was wrong too.
Here is the official mission statement from the Sojourners web site. Our mission is to articulate the biblical call to social justice, inspiring hope and building a movement to transform individuals, communities, the church, and the world.

I wonder how compassionate Glenn Beck is when its on record he said the victims of Katrina were “scumbags.” Please note the vast majority of people effected by the Katrina hurricane were poor blacks. I realize its presuming Glenn Beck called the New Orleans Katrina victims “Scumbags” because they were poor and black. He says in his own words he’s referring to the one’s who didn’t get out. Well its pretty difficult to leave with not enough money, resources to leave. The rightwing pundit said “Of those who decided to stay.” Did he ever consider they couldn’t leave?
There is a site that closely resembles the 912project.com. It is http://www.912project.us. It includes info on the 912project plus some information on Beck and editorials mostly critical of Obama. It is an official site for Glenn Beck.

Lastly Polifact.com did a scorecard for Glenn Beck’s statements. They wrote what was true, partly true, half truth and “Pants on Fire” lies. You can check it out at http://www.politifacts.com that shows what G. Beck statements are totally true. Statements that are barely true. What ones are half or partly true. The ones that are lies and the ones that are lies of the “pants on fire” type. http://www.politifact.com/personalities/glenn-beck/statements/
Or if unable to get to the link just go to the polifacts.com site and click on Glenn Beck. In essence some of what he says is true. While others are half truths, lies and pants on fire lies. You can see the detail of the specific remarks.

Glenn Beck only references the nazis when comparing different types of socialism. After all, the nazis were socialists AND environmentalists. Hitler himself said in Mein Kampf that the only difference between nazism and communism is the racialist and nationalistic aspects of his philosophy. Democrats are nazi-light, why else do they want to shut down Fox News and talk radio? Only nazis support censorship, libertarians and conservatives believe it’s the marketplace that should decide who stays and who goes. Do you remember George W. Bush ever attacking the left-wing media? No. Even when Bill O’reilly gave him a chance to do it, he refused.
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greg454 says:

“Democrats are nazi-light, why else do they want to shut down Fox News and talk radio?”

I’ve never heard of anyone who wants to shut down talk radio, but Fox and News do not belong together in a sentence. Fox is a propaganda outlet. They’re not fair and balanced by any stretch, and they have been exposed as being compelled to shape their news reporting in a certain manner to enhance the conservative/reactionary (anti-reform) slant not to mention spewing a long litany of lies and false claims.

For many, they should be avoided as a source of information for three reasons: Glenn Beck, Glenn Beck and Glenn Beck.

GlennBeckReview said:
Nothing you wrote about that bill counters what I wrote, that control (regulation) does not equal ownership

To control a thing is to own it but without responsibility for its failure. Under -0bamacare, the government controls healthcare. Under the various stimulus plans and government takeovers of industries, the government, in essence, “owns” them. Dancing around the issues and technicalities do not exclude you from the facts of the matter.