This from Mr. Jumped-the-shark-and-actually-fall-INTO-the-jaws-of-the-shark Oblermann….lol

KO is mad at Jon because he included KO in some of the clips of extremists.

KO, if the shoe fits, wear it!

Those Taiwanese animators are at it again….

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hz31FDhY4qw

quick Mediaite make it so Jon Stewart comes out looking good in your article IF you write about it…lol

Krazy Keith will be out sick sometime next week!
That is the reality I would watch. Olberloon weeping in the bathtub while angrily tweeting!!

Jon, if you want to hang with Keith, just being left wing most of the time doesn’t cut it. You have to on the extreme left wing stratosphere 100% of the time, or you’re outta there.

Shark attacks Keith!
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writer said:
Jon, if you want to hang with Keith, just being left wing most of the time doesn’t cut it. You have to on the extreme left wing stratosphere 100% of the time, or you’re outta there.

Maybe Olbermann can threaten to kill Rushdie or the creators of South Park for Stewart to think Olbermann is cool…you know like Stewart did with Yusuf Islam.

dummy123 said:
Shark attacks Keith!
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lol…OMG!11 Poor shark.

Imagine the poor shark would have to sh^^ out that ugly load.

writer said:
Jon, if you want to hang with Keith, just being left wing most of the time doesn’t cut it. You have to on the extreme left wing stratosphere 100% of the time, or you’re outta there.

Jon specifically did that “equal editing” montage with a mind to avoid being accused by right wing pundits of being biased. Jon’s entire rally was an olive branch to those on both sides who wish to live with less fear, and more cooperation. Is that the same thing as “pandering”? Almost.

Latin2 said:
Imagine the poor shark would have to sh^^ out that ugly load.

Sh^t in, Sh^t out!

This was not a boat accident!

Olby’s cat cowers in fear while her nutball master tweet-rages his displeasure with fellow lefty Stewart . It could get even better than this in the next couple of days . Television personality Barry Obama to escape all the negative energy this week on a fun-filled 10 day vacation with his family . The cost of this vacation could have paid for over 20,000 American Recovery project road signs ( at $3,000.each) . But Barry will have a grand old time , so , it’s well worth it !

valkyrie101 said:
Jon specifically did that “equal editing” montage with a mind to avoid being accused by right wing pundits of being biased. Jon’s entire rally was an olive branch to those on both sides who wish to live with less fear, and more cooperation. Is that the same thing as “pandering”? Almost.

Steart announced this rally after Beck announced his; he paraphrased the title from Beck’s title; and the sub-theme of the rally, as expressed by numerous participants, was “let’s have some sanity – not Tea.”
Care to re-evaluate your analysis?

The montage really sums it up.

I liked the clip of Crazy Eddie Schultz lunging towards the camera while screaming, “REPUBLICANS LIE!!!”. Keith is right about the two sides not being equal, I’ve never seen anybody on Fox as deranged as Schultz.

The next time we hear about KO, he will be in the hospital somewhere saying” The last thing I remember was the guy pulling his fist back and screaming “What’s the frequency, Kenneth?”

valkyrie101 said:
Jon’s entire rally was an olive branch to those on both sides who wish to live with less fear, and more cooperation.

It most certainly was not. Not when you invite on to the stage and cheer a man who endorsed the public execution of a man who’s only “crime” was writing a book. Yusuf Islam said that Salman Rushdie should be burned alive!!! That’s not living with “less fear” and “more cooperation,” and to claim otherwise is an insult to the people who died as a result of the fatwa that Yusuf publicly, and repeatedly, endorsed.

Stewart vs. Olbermann???? This should be interesting. I’m putting my money on Stewart. Thumbs up for JS, thumbs down for KO.

While Olby fumes , meanwhile , in South Carolina , Democrat Senatorial candidate and future Nobel Prize winner Alvin Greene has a path to victory . If only Obama would come down and help him out ! ( But not help him out like he tried to help Kendrick Meek , right out of the race )

.http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:http://dailycaller.com/2010/10/28/alvin-greene-explains-his-strategy-for-victory-in-south-carolina/

————————————————————-
BREAKING NEWS on Chris Wallace’s show!

Sarah Palin has TAPE of CBS reporters conspiring to smear Joe Miller’s campaign!!

She says she’ll be releasing the tapes for national exposure – I’d assume sometime today.

Fight the corrupt Democratic Media!!!

I’m sure that Yusuf preferred that Rushdie be killed peacefully.

Hey, did ya hear about that Yemen woman arrested for sending those bombs?

Well, our lib friends are pointing out that she was just 22 and weighed only 110 lbs.

LOL

NORBIT said:
————————————————————-
BREAKING NEWS on Chris Wallace’s show!

Sarah Palin has TAPE of CBS reporters conspiring to smear Joe Miller’s campaign!!

She says she’ll be releasing the tapes for national exposure – I’d assume sometime today.

Fight the corrupt Democratic Media!!!

http://hotair.com/archives/2010/10/31/miller-campaign-claims-ktva-reporters-caught-on-tape-discussing-smear/

http://www.leftcoastrebel.com/2010/10/uh-oh-cbs-reporter-nick-mcdermott-and.html

How this is this guys skin???

=== http://www.goshops.org/ ====

Keep in mind that the sizes are in Chinese. A XXXL would fit a small child.

sarainitaly said:
http://hotair.com/archives/2010/10/31/miller-campaign-claims-ktva-reporters-caught-on-tape-discussing-smear/ http://www.leftcoastrebel.com/2010/10/uh-oh-cbs-reporter-nick-mcdermott-and.html

Thank you sara…keep up the good fight!
They can only lie & deceive for so long!!!

————– Whoa! —————

OLBERMANN vs. STEWART

Who’s the Big Dog in Left-Wing Media now?

My yuans are on Stewart!

Hey Olbermann,
Stewart ‘aint no Donny Deutsch!

fatso will never go after Stewert on his show he is a true coward

When I watch Olbermann I can’t tell if I am watching Comedy Central…so it’s all good.

…oh and I take one of those handbags wuxing….but please no shark or snake skin…that always reminds me of Olbermann.

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I think the Left is splintering a bit. On one side, we have the rabid leftists – the deep-down Modern Liberal Progressives. These are the people who really want the Socialism and they hate capitalism, morals, etc.

On the other side, we have the more-thoughtful liberals. These are the people who aren’t so tied to Leftism, but they dislike Conservatives. These people use more of their brains than the deep-down Lefty’s, but they were never really taught our history and what conservatism is about. Some of these people are what I call “conservative, but they don’t know it.”

What Olbermann is expressing is that these less-rabid liberals are seeing that liberalism does indeed suck. To Olbermann, these liberals are becoming traitors.

As for Stewart, Stewart had to try to explain what the rally was about because they don’t really know. They have no where to go. They now see Olbermann and the rabid Lefty’s as idiots, but they still dislike the Right.

What’s happening is Stewart is responding to the Tea Party by realizing that some of what they say is right. He just can’t go there. So Stewart and Olbermann will probably start to go at it a bit more.

This will all be interesting.

What it means is some of these soft liberals will discover conservatism and the conservatives will pick up some people. The rabid Left will be marginalized a bit. It should be interesting.

“As for Stewart, Stewart had to try to explain what the rally was about because they don’t really know. They have no where to go.”

You know it was a “save-Obama’s-ass” rally.

How insecure can Olbermann get? Its so obvious that he’s jealous of anyone who has more influence than himself (which is, unbeknownst to himself, just about everyone on cable news.) Just look at the envy he spews at ORielly, Beck and now Stewart.

And this is the left’s great hero?

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Keith Olbermann is just bitter because Stewart’s rally was a cable tv extravaganza with a touch of Comedy Central, MTV and VH1. Olbermann wanted a touch of Countdown, Hardball and Rachel Maddow though Stewart did make a joke at the expense of MSNBC, Fox News Olbermann, Matthews, O’reilly and Beck. Olbermann take jokes about him personally. His ego can’t take satire. O’Reilly will let his audience vote whether Stewart was a Pinhead or a Patriot. Beck, who uses satire as part of his spiel will critique it from a comedy perspective. The three rallies at the Mall gave us Comedy (Stewart), Commies (Ed Schultz) and Spirituality (Beck).

valkyrie101 said:
Jon’s entire rally was an olive branch to those on both sides

Unfortunately, actions are louder than words at a rally. When Stewart stops yelling “fuck you!” at the camera after showing some conservative in an out-of-context clip, I _might_ take him seriously. Until then, he’s just another left wing douche.

AnonymousFinch said:
Not when you invite on to the stage and cheer a man who endorsed the public execution of a man who’s only “crime” was writing a book. Yusuf Islam said that Salman Rushdie should be burned alive!!! That’s not living with “less fear” and “more cooperation,” and to claim otherwise is an insult to the people who died as a result of the fatwa that Yusuf publicly, and repeatedly, endorsed.

AF, haven’t you learned from Joy Behar that when a lib expresses hate it is just a joke.

I mean do you really think that lovable Yusuf meant Rushdie harm?

I mean read what he said as a participant of a panel on British TV:

Robertson: You don’t think that this man deserves to die?
Y. Islam: Who, Salman Rushdie?
Robertson: Yes.
Y. Islam: Yes, yes.
Robertson: And do you have a duty to be his executioner?
Y. Islam: Uh, no, not necessarily, unless we were in an Islamic state and I was ordered by a judge or by the authority to carry out such an act – perhaps, yes. ….

Robertson: Would you be part of that protest, Yusuf Islam, would you go to a demonstration where you knew that an effigy was going to be burned?
Y. Islam: I would have hoped that it’d be the real thing.”

OK, OK- that part sounds bad, but I’m sure it was taken out of context, you know, like Rev. Wright was.

From the NYTs:

” The musician known as Cat Stevens said in a British television program to be broadcast next week that rather than go to a demonstration to burn an effigy of the author Salman Rushdie, ”I would have hoped that it’d be the real thing.”

The singer, who adopted the name Yusuf Islam when he converted to Islam, made the remark during a panel discussion of British reactions to Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini’s call for Mr. Rushdie to be killed for allegedly blaspheming Islam in his best-selling novel ”The Satanic Verses.” He also said that if Mr. Rushdie turned up at his doorstep looking for help, ”I might ring somebody who might do more damage to him than he would like.”

”I’d try to phone the Ayatollah Khomeini and tell him exactly where this man is,” said Mr. Islam, who watched a preview of the program today and said in an interview that he stood by his comments.”

Well, I mean, damn, they are just words,don’t ya think?

It is only a “joke” when someone on the Left wants to protect another Leftis, but a HATE CRIME if it comes from a Conservative and then the MSM will make sure that person become a pariah…meanwhile Yusuf Islam is NOW A HERO to the Left and Mediaite.

I wish “D. Abrams” would log-in and tell some of his Krazy Keith stories…;)

Latin2 said:
It is only a “joke” when someone on the Left wants to protect another Leftis, but a HATE CRIME if it comes from a Conservative and then the MSM will make sure that person become a pariah…meanwhile Yusuf Islam is NOW A HERO to the Left and Mediaite.

And then there is this:

“High-level” political officials interfered in NBPP case, forced withdrawal

The US Civil Rights Commission has concluded in an extensive report that the strange decision to dismiss a case the Department of Justice had won by default against a New Black Panther Party activist for voter intimidation came after the involvement of political appointees. Furthermore, and most embarrassing, the 131-page report accuses the Department of Justice of attempting to cover up that involvement, and that the cover-up came from “high-level” officials in the DoJ. The USCRC concludes that the Civil Rights Division is “at war with its core mission”:

The Justice Department has tried to hide the involvement of high-level political officials in the dismissal of a controversial voter-intimidation lawsuit against members of the New Black Panther Party, a federal commission concluded in a draft report.

The U.S. Commission on Civil Rights said the department’s reversal in the case, which drew criticism from conservatives, indicates that its Civil Rights Division is failing to protect white voters and is “at war with its core mission of guaranteeing equal protection of the laws for all Americans.” …

The commission’s draft report said the department’s “repeated attempts to obscure” the involvement of political appointees in the dismissal “raise questions about what the Department is trying to hide. ”

The report accuses the Justice Department of stonewalling the commission’s investigation and of failing to turn over key documents and make witnesses available. Schmaler disputed that, saying the department provided more than 4,000 pages of documents.

Notice that the corrupt media has NOT reported on Yusuf Islam starring at the rally…only as a positive thing…even though he wanted to see LIBERAL writer Salman Rushdie murdered.

Corrupt MSM.

Norbit: whatever you do, don’t read Glynnis take on the corrupt bastards at CBS – she says it is an accident.

Bwahahahaha

What lefties do to protect other leftiies – their their own integrity into the trash heap of history.

Poor Glynnis – her take on the CBS reporters is truly an embarrassment.

The Left HAS NO INTEGRITY…just look at Mediaite writers.

TonyClifton said:
The montage really sums it up.

I liked the clip of Crazy Eddie Schultz lunging towards the camera while screaming, “REPUBLICANS LIE!!!”. Keith is right about the two sides not being equal, I’ve never seen anybody on Fox as deranged as Schultz.

Ladies and Gentlemen, Mr. Tony Clifton!

Latin2 said:
Notice that the corrupt media has NOT reported on Yusuf Islam starring at the rally…only as a positive thing…even though he wanted to see LIBERAL writer Salman Rushdie murdered.

Corrupt MSM.

It is disgraceful, and I really don’t get it. The Left spends SO much time accusing Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin, at al. of “inciting violence.” Those claims are wrongheaded and overblown, but I understand why they do it. But here is a guy who really, truly, unequivocally did incite violence, repeatedly. And people have died as a direct result of the fatwa that Yusuf endorsed. And what do liberals do? They CHEER the guy!!!

I don’t like to accuse the Left of bad faith. I think they’re wrong, but generally speaking I assume that they are doing what they believe is best for the country. But I just can’t reconcile this with good faith. I can’t understand how anyone can look at the public record on this thug and look the other way and cheer when he stands there on stage and shouts “Peace!” What kind of peace does he want where an author can’t write a novel critical of Islam without fear of being killed (specifically, burned alive, as Yusuf recommended for Salman Rushdie)? Is that peace? Seriously?

Yusuf still believes in the Peace Train. He just wishes that Rushdie had been lying on the tracks.

AnonymousFinch said:
It is disgraceful, and I really don’t get it. The Left spends SO much time accusing Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin, at al. of “inciting violence.” Those claims are wrongheaded and overblown, but I understand why they do it. But here is a guy who really, truly, unequivocally did incite violence, repeatedly. And people have died as a direct result of the fatwa that Yusuf endorsed. And what do liberals do? They CHEER the guy!!!

I don’t like to accuse the Left of bad faith. I think they’re wrong, but generally speaking I assume that they are doing what they believe is best for the country. But I just can’t reconcile this with good faith. I can’t understand how anyone can look at the public record on this thug and look the other way and cheer when he stands there on stage and shouts “Peace!” What kind of peace does he want where an author can’t write a novel critical of Islam without fear of being killed (specifically, burned alive, as Yusuf recommended for Salman Rushdie)? Is that peace? Seriously?

That is because Liberalism is a mental disorder.

I used to be a Liberal when I was young and DUMB, but then I grew up. The problem with most Liberals is that they are immature in their thinking which makes them hateful and blind.

They want socialism, but all they have to do is look at other countries where socialism has failed or is failing and see the truth…but they are too brainwashed or dumb.

That is why they take their major cues FROM COMEDIANS and Hollywood.

Latin2 said:
That is why they take their major cues FROM COMEDIANS and Hollywood.

And their history from leftist websites,TV and movies- Michael Moore M and Oliver Stone.

notsofast said:
And their history from leftist websites,TV and movies- Michael Moore M and Oliver Stone.

lol…Hollywood and sites that HATE the western world and the USA.

That is why you can’t trust the majority of the MSM. They want to be seen as thinking like the “cool kids” in the music, Hollywood and the entertainment industry…even though those people are idiots and don’t know anything. The majority of the MSM ARE FOLLOWERS, and can’t think rationally because they want to ‘fit in’ with the insiders and the corrupt.

AnonymousFinch said:
It most certainly was not. Not when you invite on to the stage and cheer a man who endorsed the public execution of a man who’s only “crime” was writing a book. Yusuf Islam said that Salman Rushdie should be burned alive!!! That’s not living with “less fear” and “more cooperation,” and to claim otherwise is an insult to the people who died as a result of the fatwa that Yusuf publicly, and repeatedly, endorsed.

So, you join Colbert in not wanting to get on board the peace train, is that about it? Your analysis of Yusuf’s position on Rushdie is in error. You’re big on free speech Finch, but apparently only when it suits your politics.

Latin2 said:
lol…Hollywood and sites that HATE the western world and the USA.

Anytime you hear a lib try to discuss the JFK assassination, it is a word- for-word recitation of the lies from Stone’s movie.

It is hilarious!

valkyrie101 said:
Your analysis of Yusuf’s position on Rushdie is in error.

Prove it.

On February 21, 1989, Yusuf Islam addressed students at Kingston University in London about his conversion to Islam and was asked about the controversy in the Muslim world and the fatwa calling for Salman Rushdie’s execution. He replied, “He must be killed. The Qur’an makes it clear – if someone defames the prophet, then he must die.”

valkyrie101 said:
So, you join Colbert in not wanting to get on board the peace train, is that about it? Your analysis of Yusuf’s position on Rushdie is in error. You’re big on free speech Finch, but apparently only when it suits your politics.

Then you haven’t checked out the links and are living in a delusion. We are not saying he doesn’t have free speech…we are saying that Yusuf Islam, FROM HIS OWN WORDS, advocates MURDERING people who want to have FREE speech or freedom to write and criticize Islam.

If someone advocates MURDERING people for just writing a book about a religious or historical figure that is EXTREMIST and dangerous.

valkyrie101 said:
So, you join Colbert in not wanting to get on board the peace train, is that about it? Your analysis of Yusuf’s position on Rushdie is in error.

NO IT IS NOT!

Watch this video and see it with your own eyes:

http://pajamasmedia.com/eddriscoll/2010/10/30/video-riding-the-peace-train/

The “Peace Train” is a farce.

AnonymousFinch said:
NO IT IS NOT!

Watch this video and see it with your own eyes:

http://pajamasmedia.com/eddriscoll/2010/10/30/video-riding-the-peace-train/

The “Peace Train” is a farce.

And that was not the only time Yusuf endorsed the fatwa. That’s just the only one caught on tape. And after that television program appeared, the NYT asked him about it and he said he stands by everything he said.

And valk, they were cheering him.

AnonymousFinch said:
NO IT IS NOT!

Watch this video and see it with your own eyes:

http://pajamasmedia.com/eddriscoll/2010/10/30/video-riding-the-peace-train/

The “Peace Train” is a farce.

She’ll have to get back to you AF…once she sees what Media Matters and Think Progress tells her what to THINK, and of course they will tell her it is the Conservatives fault that Yusuf Islam advocated MURDERING people who criticize a religion.

valkyrie101 said:
So, you join Colbert in not wanting to get on board the peace train, is that about it? Your analysis of Yusuf’s position on Rushdie is in error. You’re big on free speech Finch, but apparently only when it suits your politics.

And for the record, I’m not trying to prevent Yusuf from speaking. He can use his royalties from Peace Train to publish anything he wants. I’m just saying that after you get on television and say that an author should be burned alive (and do so when a fatwa has already been issued against that author) thereafter you should not invited to an event called “restoring sanity” and cheered from the stage. I would hope that position would be uncontroversial.

valkyrie101 said:
Your analysis of Yusuf’s position on Rushdie is in error.

Why is it libs can’t have opinions but must lie?

valk, your lies betray your ignorance.

notsofast said:
Why is it libs can’t have opinions but must lie?

valk, your lies betray your ignorance.

As I noted earlier…Liberalism is a mental disorder.

;)

AnonymousFinch said:
And that was not the only time Yusuf endorsed the fatwa.

Hey, he was the most MODERATE Muslim they could find!

Maybe Stewart invited Yusuf to try and restore his sanity. After all, calling for someone’s death just because they wrote a book is pretty insane.

I’m guessing Jon will be WPITW on Monday night. Perhaps Keith will be fed up enough to have a whole 15-30 minute special comment on how Jon always takes clips, puts them out of context, and makes up stuff to mock the media. That would be some justice.

Jon, the paragon of sanity, who had a moderate (cough, cough, cough) muslim at his restore “sanity?” rally yesterday.

CBS news is CORRUPT…pass the word, no accident at all.

yea,

Olbermann once again tries to get some press by riding Stewart and Colbert’s coat tails when both of them wipe their ass with Olbermann’s brand of punditry. the only guys that dig Olbermann are fat white college males in their early twenties; the rest who know who Olbermann is just love to hate him.

Back to the thread, KO is correct, there is no way that the left has been spreading the fear like the right has, so equating the left and right in his video montage was not fair to the left or MSNBC.

Oh come on valk – it is the white line-up at MSNBC that claims racism day in and day out.

Matters not, unless Jon Stewart takes his own advice and stops taking things out of context to make some comical point, his rally is meaningless. As we all know, he had one goal, to get more folks on the mall than Beck did….and at that he failed.

valkyrie101 said:
Back to the thread, KO is correct, there is no way that the left has been spreading the fear like the right has, so equating the left and right in his video montage was not fair to the left or MSNBC.

Valkyrie, did you watch that video? The one where Yusuf says that if they were burning Salman Rushdie in effigy, it wouldn’t be worth taking the time out to attend, but he would hope they would burn “the real thing,” in which case he’d be there. Do you think he’d be riding the Peace Train to the public burning?

valkyrie101 said:
Back to the thread, KO is correct, there is no way that the left has been spreading the fear like the right has, so equating the left and right in his video montage was not fair to the left or MSNBC.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zkYmS5ylCrk

valkyrie101 said:
Back to the thread, KO is correct, there is no way that the left has been spreading the fear like the right has, so equating the left and right in his video montage was not fair to the left or MSNBC.

I’m sure you want to go back to the thread after you got caught in a blatant lie.

valk, if Keith wasn’t know for playing it straight down the middle, I might disagree.

valkyrie101 said:
Back to the thread, KO is correct, there is no way that the left has been spreading the fear like the right has, so equating the left and right in his video montage was not fair to the left or MSNBC.

Did you just arrive on the planet?

Gotta go – almost time for football.

Valkyrie, maybe you should do the same before you dig any deeper

valkyrie101 said:
KO is correct, there is no way that the left has been spreading the fear like the right has,

Director Oliver Stone belittled the Holocaust during a shocking interview with the Sunday Times today, claiming that America’s focus on the Jewish massacre was a product of the “Jewish domination of the media.”

The director also defended Hitler and Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and railed against the “powerful lobby” of Jews in America.

Stone said that his upcoming Showtime documentary series “Secret History of America,” seeks to put Hitler and Communist dictator Joseph Stalin “in context.”

A few months ago, , libtalker Mike Malloy called Sarah Palin a “whore,” a “streetwalker,” and a “crazy bitch.” This is the same Malloy who called on Glenn Beck, Rush Limbaugh, and Bill O’Reilly to kill themselves and suggested that Republicans orchestrated the Christmas day bombing attempt to damage the Obama administration.

Or how about Bill Maher in 2007 lamenting that the assassination of Dick Cheney had failed. He has also wished for the death of Rush Limbaugh and Glenn Beck.

Rosie O’Donnell has quite a colorful history as well. Aside from being a 9/11 truther, she has called compared the Catholic Church to the Jonestown suicide cult, crudely mocked Chinese people, and has called American troops “terrorists.”

And of course we have Olbermann, who called Scott Brown an “irresponsible, homophobic, racist, reactionary, sexist, ex-nude model, tea bagging, supporter of violence against women and against politicians with whom he disagrees” and Michelle Malkin a “mashed-up bag of meat with lipstick on it.”

In fact, the latter Olbermann quote made the Culture and Media Institute’s list of the top 10 most disgusting attacks against conservative women.

Comparing Fox News’s comentators to MSNBCs is like comparing a rabid rottwiler to a pug puppy, there’s no comparison. Becks’ crazy conspiracy theories alone which tie every thing to Soros and ACORN(now defunct) are unquestionably far beyond anything MSNBC and Olbermann have ever done.

valkyrie101 said:
Your analysis of Yusuf’s position on Rushdie is in error.

Not sure if you’re simply ignorant of history, or are trying to re-write it. I remember when Stevens was making his hateful remarks regarding Rushdie.

Stewart is a lefty guy.
He does throw a bone to the right every once in awhile.
But Jon does play lots of out-of-context clips each night to crap mostly on the right.
Lets not knight Jon most righteous man on the planet please.

dummy123 said:
Stewart is a lefty guy.

who is currently being attacked by Olbermann and lefty guys on this site!

Latin2 said:
“As for Stewart, Stewart had to try to explain what the rally was about because they don’t really know. They have no where to go.”

You know it was a “save-Obama’s-ass” rally.

I agree, BUT I also think some of them are questioning what they voted for and they want Obama to change.. Again, they still don’t like conservatism and I think they are somewhat lost.

These people (the less rabid liberals) do need meaning in their lives. Some of them will find conservatism.

What I am describing is the beginnings of what I think is a big loss for the rabid left and an awakening for many soft-liberals.

The soft liberals have been fooled, but now they see that the rabid left’s ideas really do suck.

These soft liberals just need a place to go. The Right will welcome them with open arms (as long as they really do embrace conservatism.) I know i will.

Valk says:

Back to the thread,

In other words, “I LOST

Awwwwww! Poor widdle Keefey. His feewings have been hurt.

I dare him to mention Stewart on his program. Stewart will destroy him.

Tedderman said:
Comparing Fox News’s comentators to MSNBCs is like comparing a rabid rottwiler

Is like comparing you to someone who has a brain.

Dave Richards said:
Awwwwww! Poor widdle Keefey. His feewings have been hurt.

I dare him to mention Stewart on his program. Stewart will destroy him.

i just said these exact words to a friend on the phone; nobody can believe what an effin’ retard douche nozzle Olbermeh is to diss Stewart.

KO is an idiot.

We should have some pretty good YouTube on clips on Keith that should last until 2012 on Tuesday night.

Set those DVRs.

There is little doubt (okay, for me) that over the past two years – and certainly since Obama took over the Presidency – that the right has been far more guilty of fear mongering than the left. One obvious reason, if not the major one, is that Democrats control both branches of power and the opposition party tends to go a little batty when they’re in the minority. Yeah, duh.

But there is also little doubt that before Obama took over and when Bush and the Republicans ran things that the left was far more guilty of using scare language than their adversaries. For the same reason. And at the top of that list was Keith Olbermann.

Olbermann is correct that right now the political right (Beck in particular) is more guilty of inciting fear. But as the leader two years ago of a similar movement he has no ground to complain about over-the-top and ugly rhetoric. No grounds at all.

Fear mongering didn’t begin two years ago, Keith. And while it’s gotten worse, you’ve certainly done your part to make it so.

Do us a favor, just watch the World Series and, in your immortal words directed at Bush, shut the hell up.

Who watches Oberman? He wastes his time on the air repeating what Fox News says, most people watch Fox News instead of him. Why does he even have a job?

There’s a difference between “fear-mongering” and reporting the truth, I look up things Beck says all the time and haven’t found anything to be a lie yet.

Jerry Landry said:
There’s a difference between “fear-mongering” and reporting the truth, I look up things Beck says all the time and haven’t found anything to be a lie yet.

Just wait until GlennBeckReview reads your comment. You’re in trouble now!

You’re right Jerry, the left constantly ridicules Beck, but if you listen, it’s NEVER about the substance of what he says. Why, because it’s the truth!

Do they get their news from the Comedy Channel too?

Had the liberal news media been up front with obama, Clinton would have won the nomination.

If obama was a republican the liberal news media would have destroyed him over his relationship with Rev. Wright, William Ayers and half of the idiots he appointed. Republicans would have been forced to remove him from the list of nominee’s.

If it wasn’t for the “journolist’s” obama never would have been nominated.

If Gen. Colin Powell hadn’t ordered everyone to stop mentioning Wright and Ayers and called it a National Security Issue obama never would have won the nomination.

Right there is four quick reasons and explainations how obama won the nomination, without their help he would still be in Chicago riding bikes with William Ayers.

Wow. This Yusuf Islam meme of yours really sounds desperate. You guys are honestly trying to turn Cat Stevens into the new boogeyman? You’re honestly going to condemn the entire rally based on his participation? This new obsession of yours really makes you look like you’re grasping at straws.

If you want to criticize the rally, look at the substance of it. Don’t just repeat the same old talking points you get from your daily chain e-mail.

If Obama had been the R candidate, the media would’ve eviserated his lack of experience, as well as his history of radical associations.

Jerry Landry said:
Had the liberal news media been up front with obama, Clinton would have won the nomination. If obama was a republican the liberal news media would have destroyed him over his relationship with Rev. Wright, William Ayers and half of the idiots he appointed. Republicans would have been forced to remove him from the list of nominee’s. If it wasn’t for the “journolist’s” obama never would have been nominated. If Gen. Colin Powell hadn’t ordered everyone to stop mentioning Wright and Ayers and called it a National Security Issue obama never would have won the nomination. Right there is four quick reasons and explainations how obama won the nomination, without their help he would still be in Chicago riding bikes with William Ayers.

Good recap —–

It’s the Left-Wing PROPAGANDA mainstream media that’s been the problem for the past 50 years!!

Fight the Dishonest Democratic Mainstream Media!

GOP Candidates: BOYCOTT the Dishonest Democratic Mainstream Media!

Cubby said:
Wow. This Yusuf Islam meme of yours really sounds desperate. You guys are honestly trying to turn Cat Stevens into the new boogeyman? You’re honestly going to condemn the entire rally based on his participation? This new obsession of yours really makes you look like you’re grasping at straws.

If you want to criticize the rally, look at the substance of it. Don’t just repeat the same old talking points you get from your daily chain e-mail.

You mean like this Fatso;

Let’s see some video of the Stewart/Colbert rally;

oops lots of racism at Stewart/Colbert rally;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=88Cl7_w7SNQ&feature=player_embedded

…and lots of INSANITY. (the Conservative guy filming is the one chastising the OLD Commie who is using the “N” word and look at the “Brownie” sign at the beginning)

oh look MOVEON.ORG was there too;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U1RoX9TdsH0&feature=player_embedded

spreading the HATE and FEAR at the restore fear rally…which they apparently were doing.

oh and look INSANITY at the RESTORE SANITY rally…with fear included;

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IlMq1R-64Qc&feature=player_embedded

You mean LIKE THAT?

…oh and Chubster, let’s not forget the signs;

…with plenty of HATE…hate Beck and look a HITLER sign with Jewish Cantor as Hitler and other Conservatives as Hitler.

http://msnbcmedia2.msn.com/j/MSNBC/Components/Photo/_new/101030-sanity-hmed-10a.grid-6×2.jpg

from the MSNBC website.

So not only was there a terrorist supporter on the main stage, who advocates murdering people who question his religion and his prophet, but there was A LOT OF HATE and FEAR at the rally to restore sanity…and a lot of INSANITY.

Cubby said:
You guys are honestly trying to turn Cat Stevens into the new boogeyman?

Nope, just saying he’s a muslim asshole. This is not news. That Stewart and Colbert invited a muslim asshole to their party as some sort of peaceful icon is a f’ing joke, that’s what people are pointing out.

Hmmm….it seems that some of you here didn’t get the message to be more civil to each other. How dare you be so mean as to throw facts at Valkyrie???? If you were that mean to me, I wouldn’t respond either. You must be hate-mongers!

You’re Old News, Keith!

You’ve been replaced by the likes of Stewart & Colbert.

I’ve mentioned before that the anti Beck/Fox/Republican signs were out of line and totally not in the spirit of the day (which was overwhelmingly positive). And “chubster”? “fatso”? Wow. Just wow.

Speaking of being at a loss for words – “muslim asshole”. There is a LOT of ignorance in the comments on this board, but you’ve taken the middle-school playground tone to a whole new level.

Cubby said:
You guys are honestly trying to turn Cat Stevens into the new boogeyman?

New???? He has been every since he became a radical Muslim.

Cubby said:
Speaking of being at a loss for words – “muslim asshole”. There is a LOT of ignorance in the comments on this board, but you’ve taken the middle-school playground tone to a whole new level.

Yes, heaven forbid I look at something and describe what I see. If you enjoy wallowing in political correctness, have at it, but it’s just not for me.

Cubby said:
There is a LOT of ignorance in the comments on this board,

Yeah, and you are Exhibit A – Exhibit Z!

Cubby said:
Wow. This Yusuf Islam meme of yours really sounds desperate. You guys are honestly trying to turn Cat Stevens into the new boogeyman? You’re honestly going to condemn the entire rally based on his participation? This new obsession of yours really makes you look like you’re grasping at straws.

If you want to criticize the rally, look at the substance of it. Don’t just repeat the same old talking points you get from your daily chain e-mail.

My God! What has the world come to?? Now, this is the next step. It’s not enough to just cheer the extremist thug who repeatedly endorsed the murder of an innocent author. Now the leftists are going to mock anyone who questions the propriety of that cheering. The crowd was wrong to cheer him; I’m wrong to question the crowd. Wow! What a downside up view of the world.

When the fatwa came out against Rushdie, I was a liberal Democrat. I had voted for Mike Dukakis, and I hated George H.W. Bush. At that time, every good liberal would have defended Rushdie and condemned Yusuf Islam. I remember a group of my friends (I was in college at the time) all burning all of our Cat Stevens albums (most of which were vinyl or cassette at the time) in protest of what Stevens had done. We vowed to never listen to him again. Through the years, I have mostly abided by that rule (though, I admit, I do own a copy of Father and Son from itunes, but only because that song happened to have been playing on the radio when a big event in my life happened, and the song will always bring back memories of that day). The fact that today’s left embraces Yusuf is endemic of why I’m not a liberal anymore.

Cubby said:
I’ve mentioned before that the anti Beck/Fox/Republican signs were out of line and totally not in the spirit of the day

Ahhhhhhhhhhhh, the libs just could not stop their hate for one day- not for one day!

“Most of those pouring into the Mall Saturday appeared to be younger than 35, and the signs they carried showed a decidedly left-wing bent: “I hope this isn’t a trap,” “I masturbate to Christine O’Donnell,”Communism was a red herring.”

Most signs fit with the happy-go-lucky ethos of the rally, but others were crude. One sign had Hitler mustaches on pictures of Sarah Palin, Eric Cantor, Glenn Beck and John Boehner. The message said, “Afraid yet?” This is particularly insulting to Cantor, who is Jewish and in line to become House Majority Leader if Republicans win next week.

I thought for sure that mediaite would update their post script story with the vulgar signs and the all-white crowd. But I guess right now they are busy trying to defend CBS from the obvious “corruption” charges.

Really, the coverage is getting humorous; tea partiers are racist, the sanitizers are good.

Ignoring the facts don’t make them go away mediate.

Hey, notsofast, when you were diagnosed as clinically stupid, did your mommy throw you a party? Your insults are infantile! The only thing this site proves is that it attracts more open mouth breathers than people with the ability to use reasoning. For the love of God people the rally was showing the inherrent absurdity in the level of discourse today. Ergo the randomnness of the signage and the juxtaposing singers.

writer said:
On February 21, 1989, Yusuf Islam addressed students at Kingston University in London about his conversion to Islam and was asked about the controversy in the Muslim world and the fatwa calling for Salman Rushdie’s execution. He replied, “He must be killed. The Qur’an makes it clear – if someone defames the prophet, then he must die.”

Yes, that is the Islamic text anwer, vis a vis, the Koran. Now is that to say that Yusuf is suggesting that Rushdie should die? That his opinion is that Rushdie should die? If someone says, according to our teaching “he should die”, is that the same thing in your mind as saying “he must be killed.”? It is not the same. The former is the commentary of an Islamic scholar, the latter is a call to violence which Yusuf, “Peace Train” Stevens, abhors.

valkyrie101 said:
Yes, that is the Islamic text anwer, vis a vis, the Koran. Now is that to say that Yusuf is suggesting that Rushdie should die? That his opinion is that Rushdie should die? If someone says, according to our teaching “he should die”, is that the same thing in your mind as saying “he must be killed.”? It is not the same. The former is the commentary of an Islamic scholar, the latter is a call to violence which Yusuf, “Peace Train” Stevens, abhors.

Valkyrie, did you watch the I video I directed you to above? On that video, Yusuf is asked whether he would attend a protest where Rushdie is being burned in effigy. Yusuf responds that he would hope it would be the author himself, not just an effigy.

Stop making excuses for this monster. He has endorsed Rushdie’s death numerous times in numerous ways. Stop trying to excuse the inexcusable.

Yusuf doesn’t abhor violence. He is more than willing to endorse its use against those with opinions that vary from his.

valkyrie101 said:
Yes, that is the Islamic text anwer, vis a vis, the Koran.

By the way, this is an interesting admission. I thought Islam is the religion of peace, and the Koran is all about peace, and the only problem is that some “extremists” have “hijacked” the Koran.

Big Eddie said:
Olby’s cat cowers in fear while her nutball master tweet-rages his displeasure with fellow lefty Stewart . It could get even better than this in the next couple of days . Television personality Barry Obama to escape all the negative energy this week on a fun-filled 10 day vacation with his family . The cost of this vacation could have paid for over 20,000 American Recovery project road signs ( at $3,000.each) . But Barry will have a grand old time , so , it’s well worth it !

the real john t said:
Little eddie lies once again.

http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/10/27/1790701/in-india-obama-to-stay-at-site.html

Pig Eddie lies, is CAUGHT lying, REPEATS lies.

Pathological liars like Big Enema and Glenn Blech-h-h-h are charter members of the “Psycho Right.”

jrcmi said:
jrcmi says:
October 31, 2010 at 4:19 pm jrcmi(Quote)

You know you are a dullard when you depend on john t to tell you the difference between the truth and lies!

LOL

Anyone else sick of Jon yet? Hey Jon, get in the ring you fraud.

But will Jon be KO’s “Worst Person in the World?”

LOL

http://twitter.com/KeithOlbermann
Krazy Keith is really beginning to percolate!!
It sounds sick though…..it might need a few days off next week…hahahahahaha

Yusuf ISLAM is the GREATEST THREAT we as Americans face right now!!!!!!111 I mean just look at his NAME, the word ISLAM (which means MUSLIN) is RIGHT THERE!!!!!11 No doubt this folk singer was using Jon SPEWart’s lib rally as a vehicle to spread his MUSLIN AGENDA!!!!111

And Mr. Papshmear – I ALSO call it like I see it!!!!11 Like when I call Rev. Wright “that black asshole” and Barbara Streisand “that Jew asshole”!!!!!111 HahahAHAhAHAHAHahaha take THAT political correctness!!!!!111 I WISH I could reach through my computer and HIGH FIVE you!!!111

NORBUTT: “They can only lie & deceive for so long!!!”

. . . says the paid blogger.

notsohonest: “High-level” political officials interfered in NBPP case”

Says who? Cite your (right-wing) source if you’re so proud to relate this story.

“That is because Liberalism is a mental disorder. ”

Yeah, people thinking for themselves rather than goose-stepping behind whichever right-winger has the biggest mouth. Tsk-tsk.

notsobright: “Why is it libs can’t have opinions but must lie?”

Why do neocons steal posted material from other neocons?

“it is the white line-up at MSNBC that claims racism day in and day out. ”

And PROVES it . . . day in and day out.

notsofast said:
Is like comparing you to someone who has a brain.

How would YOU know?

Nevertheless, any objective viewing of Fakes “News” reveals rampant, open hostility and barely disguised calls for violence toward anything and anyone remotely to the right of Rupert Moredreck. His contempt for his own “fair and balanced” claim would be laughable if the consequences for journalism and the country weren’t so dire.

“I look up things Beck says all the time and haven’t found anything to be a lie yet.”

So the Tides Foundation employees SHOULD be shot? That’s what another viewer heard.

“Fight the Dishonest Democratic Mainstream Media!”

. . . says the paid blogger.

“GOP Candidates: BOYCOTT the Dishonest Democratic Mainstream Media!”

But if Dem candidates boycott the crooked right-wing media, they’re cowards! Got it!

“Ahhhhhhhhhhhh, the libs just could not stop their hate for one day- not for one day! . . . ”

You posted this swiped material before. Don’t multiply your sins.

“I guess right now [Mediaite is] busy trying to defend CBS from the obvious “corruption” charges.”

Why would they do so? Try to get past your biases and think clearly.

“Ergo the randomnness of the signage and the juxtaposing singers.”

You lost nottoosmart at “Ergo.”

notsofast said:
You know you are a dullard when you depend on john t to tell you the difference between the truth and lies!

LOL

No, I depend on the NEWSPAPER SOURCE linked by john t – a distinction lost on your hopelessly corrupted mind . . . such as it is.

Drab Eddie lies, is CAUGHT lying, REPEATS his lies . . . then has ANOTHER liar concur in ALL of the lies.

Pathetic. Corrupt.

Karl Spensen said:
Yusuf ISLAM is the GREATEST THREAT we as Americans face right now!!!!!!111 I mean just look at his NAME, the word ISLAM (which means MUSLIN) is RIGHT THERE!!!!!11 No doubt this folk singer was using Jon SPEWart’s lib rally as a vehicle to spread his MUSLIN AGENDA!!!!111

And Mr. Papshmear – I ALSO call it like I see it!!!!11 Like when I call Rev. Wright “that black asshole” and Barbara Streisand “that Jew asshole”!!!!!111 HahahAHAhAHAHAHahaha take THAT political correctness!!!!!111 I WISH I could reach through my computer and HIGH FIVE you!!!111

You know what, Karl, or whatever the fuck your real name is–I wonder if you’d have the balls to crack jokes about this to Salman Rushdie himself, or the families of any of the many people who were in fact killed by the fatwa that Yusuf Islam repeatedly endorsed. I’m glad you take such levity in the suffering of others for whom Mr. Islam’s conduct over the last 21 years is no laughing matter. Asshole.

jrcmi said:
notsohonest: “High-level” political officials interfered in NBPP case”

Says who? Cite your (right-wing) source if you’re so proud to relate this story.

Ahhhh, The Civil Rights Commission.

You are a massive ignoramus.

jrcmi said:
No, I depend on the NEWSPAPER SOURCE linked by john t – a distinction lost on your hopelessly corrupted mind . . . such as it is.

What did Eddie lie about?

Come on, child!

AnonymousFinch said:
I’m glad you take such levity in the suffering of others for whom Mr. Islam’s conduct over the last 21 years is no laughing matter.

Levity?!?!?!11 No WAY!!!111 We need to STOP Yusef ISLAM before he KILLS AGAIN!!!!!1111 His murderous rampage MUST STOP!!!!!111

I am SO GLAD the brave commenters are bringing this IMPORTANT ISSUE to the forefront because the rest of the LAMESTREAM media is silent on it (of COURSE!!!11)!!!11 Not even a word of it on my beloved FOXNATION.COM!!!!!111 From now on, I am coming to the Mediaite comments section for ALL of the news I can uze!!!!!111 THANKS GUYS!!!111

Good news for Jon Stewart – ‘Happy Days’ lasted 7 more seasons after Fonzi jumped the shark!

So take that, KO!

“We need to STOP Yusef ISLAM before he KILLS AGAIN!!!!!”

It’s the radical ideology that he gave support to that is the danger. We just had another example of that extremist thinking this weekend with the airplane bombs.

If we want the many moderate Muslims to defeat the radicals we need to help them in that battle.

Excusing or dismissing these comments by Cat Stevens/Yusuf Islam isn’t going to help them in that cause.

jrcmi said:
Pig Eddie lies, is CAUGHT lying, REPEATS lies.

Pathological liars like Big Enema and Glenn Blech-h-h-h are charter members of the “Psycho Right.”

What did he lie about ??

Holy Stinkbombs, Batman!! Did Olbermann just FART?

Is he still trying to figure out “if his jockstrap is half empty or half full?” Stupid effing jerk!

Didn’t George Soros help the Nazi’s by selling out the Jews during the war? Watch out Jon Leibowitz, Olbermans got got his marching orders.
http://political-lobotomy.blogspot.com/

Guess who isn’t in any of those montages – Rachel Maddow. You think Stewart and Colbert would have spared her if they found a clip of her spewing the same way Schultz does often and Keith does a bit less? Yeah, no. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, Rachel stands head and shoulders above the entire pack.

But…wasn’t that montage part of Colbert’s part of the skit? Which, in the long run, was part of the joint Stewart-Colbert rally? Olbermann must really hate Stewart because he never mentioned Colbert. Or he doesn’t feel like taking on both Stewart and Colbert.

Jerry Landry said:
There’s a difference between “fear-mongering” and reporting the truth, I look up things Beck says all the time and haven’t found anything to be a lie yet.

I’ve told GBR many times Glen Beck asks his viewers not to take his word but look it up for themselves. GBR always points to his site. He does that because he has a secret decoder ring to translate Beck and a special tin foil hate that speaks to him.

Stewartis a Liberal, but he is not a rabid Liberal. That make Olbermann feel alone in the world because Tingles does not complete him.

I agree with the general theme of news personalities taking their rhetoric way over the top, its not just cable either, radio, internet news, blogs, newspaper op-eds. And even comedy. I don’t thing Olbermann will have much trouble putting together a montage of things Stewart and Colbert have said on their shows that are just as one sided and mean spirited as anyone elses.

Paul Westlake said:
Guess who isn’t in any of those montages – Rachel Maddow. You think Stewart and Colbert would have spared her if they found a clip of her spewing the same way Schultz does often and Keith does a bit less? Yeah, no. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, Rachel stands head and shoulders above the entire pack.

Only if you subscribe to the thought that Jon Stewart’s opinion is always correct, as well as the end all be all of these kind of things.

Paul Westlake said:
You think Stewart and Colbert would have spared her if they found a clip of her spewing the same way Schultz does often and Keith does a bit less?

They could have used the clip of her falsely accusing a member of Congress of having “prior notice” of the Oklahoma City bombing, no?

maculae said:
But…wasn’t that montage part of Colbert’s part of the skit? Which, in the long run, was part of the joint Stewart-Colbert rally? Olbermann must really hate Stewart because he never mentioned Colbert. Or he doesn’t feel like taking on both Stewart and Colbert.

I don’t know if he hates Stewart but there has also been friction between the two. Olbermann is good friends with Craig Kilborn, the first host of the Daily Show. Kilborn allegedly hates Stewart because Stewart made the Daily Show a much bigger hit than Kilborn had.

rshaw said:
I agree with the general theme of news personalities taking their rhetoric way over the top, its not just cable either, radio, internet news, blogs, newspaper op-eds. And even comedy. I don’t thing Olbermann will have much trouble putting together a montage of things Stewart and Colbert have said on their shows that are just as one sided and mean spirited as anyone elses.

Yes, but when Stewart and Colbert do it, it’s usually mocking the people as is their jobs as comedians/satirical newscasters/pundits/talking guys. It’s why they’re on Comedy Central and NOT a real news channel. Despite what people think of either Stewart or Colbert, in the end, they are just comedians or “late-night hosts”. It’s not their job to present news as news. It’s their job to look at the absurdities of the day, deconstruct, reconstruct, mock it and then to get us to laugh. I watch them for a good laugh at just how truly messed up the news process is, and not necessarily for the news. And also because they both interview their guests better than most of the newscasters/pundits/whatever can. As comedians go they are hardly as one sided or mean spirited as Bill Maher can be. He can be hard to watch sometimes.

It becomes a problem when REAL news personalities take things too far. I expect news from the news channels. Not people screaming at each other or baseless name calling. I don’t want to watch Keith Olbermann have a debate between someone dressed as a clown and another person dressed as a witch. That’s what I expect from comedians not journalists on a network that claims to be news. Glenn Beck may claim to be whatever he wants. But he’s on a news channel that people watch for news. If he had a program on Comedy Central, he can say whatever he wants, and I would not care. The news channels thrive on taking things too far, pushing up their guy while dismissing the other guy. That’s not what news or even news analysis is about.

Latin2 said:
This from Mr. Jumped-the-shark-and-actually-fall-INTO-the-jaws-of-the-shark Oblermann….lol

What are you even taking about… Or do you just say thing unsupported in facts… Oh what am I saying, you are a Fox Low Information Viewer…

The cause of our low ranking in the world on Education…

notsofast said:
But will Jon be KO’s “Worst Person in the World?”

LOL

I doubt it…

notsofast said:
But will Jon be KO’s “Worst Person in the World?”

LOL

I doubt it…

writer said:
Jon, if you want to hang with Keith, just being left wing most of the time doesn’t cut it. You have to on the extreme left wing stratosphere 100% of the time, or you’re outta there.

And your proof is what… oh wait you have no proof…..

notsofast said:
But will Jon be KO’s “Worst Person in the World?”

LOL

I doubt it…

writer said:
Jon, if you want to hang with Keith, just being left wing most of the time doesn’t cut it. You have to on the extreme left wing stratosphere 100% of the time, or you’re outta there.

And your proof is what… oh wait you have no proof…..

notsofast said:
KO is mad at Jon because he included KO in some of the clips of extremists.

KO, if the shoe fits, wear it!

but if it doesn’t…. you don’t accept it…

JamesA1102 said:
I don’t know if he hates Stewart but there has also been friction between the two. Olbermann is good friends with Craig Kilborn, the first host of the Daily Show. Kilborn allegedly hates Stewart because Stewart made the Daily Show a much bigger hit than Kilborn had.

Stewart is good but he isn’t God… I like Stewart but his false equivalence is one of the problems with our media…. The reason there is a Keith Olbermann is because somebody had the courage to stand up and start speaking out against the illegal War in Iraq, Everyone allowed their 911 Emotions to be manipulated by the Republican Party and the Fox Propaganda Network….

Is Keith Olbermann without flaws of course not, he at times have gone a little over the top but not enough where I would lump him into a Fox News Category….

dummy123 said:
Krazy Keith will be out sick sometime next week!
That is the reality I would watch. Olberloon weeping in the bathtub while angrily tweeting!!

Really and you know this how…

valkyrie101 said:
Jon specifically did that “equal editing” montage with a mind to avoid being accused by right wing pundits of being biased. Jon’s entire rally was an olive branch to those on both sides who wish to live with less fear, and more cooperation. Is that the same thing as “pandering”? Almost.

At the expense of someones eles integrity… And that is wrong choice….

AnonymousFinch said:
Valkyrie, did you watch the I video I directed you to above? On that video, Yusuf is asked whether he would attend a protest where Rushdie is being burned in effigy. Yusuf responds that he would hope it would be the author himself, not just an effigy.
Stop making excuses for this monster. He has endorsed Rushdie’s death numerous times in numerous ways. Stop trying to excuse the inexcusable.
Yusuf doesn’t abhor violence. He is more than willing to endorse its use against those with opinions that vary from his.

Apparently you have no sense of humor, finch. That’s hardly an endorsement of violence against Rushdie but a quite British rebuke to Rushdie for starting the whole thing with Islam.

I’m fairly liberal and a definite fan of Jon Stewart. I thought his speech yesterday was great and his plea to bring the rhetoric down a few notches sincere.

However, while I don’t think that Cat Steven’s appearance should be the defining moment of the rally, I do think it was a mistake to have him perform. Calling for anyone’s death because of something they wrote is the epitome of insanity and fanaticism and should never be excused or tolerated by anyone who supports a free society.

valkyrie101 said:
Apparently you have no sense of humor, finch. That’s hardly an endorsement of violence against Rushdie but a quite British rebuke to Rushdie for starting the whole thing with Islam.

Hmm, I don’t know. I watched the clip as well and if it was a joke it wasn’t funny…. Calls for someone’s assasination don’t seem like something that should be taken lightly.

Judging from the majority of the posters here, sanity and civility seem to be a lost cause. Medication would do you people well to get over yourselves.

AnonymousFinch said:
It is disgraceful, and I really don’t get it. The Left spends SO much time accusing Glenn Beck, Sarah Palin, at al. of “inciting violence.” Those claims are wrongheaded and overblown, but I understand why they do it. But here is a guy who really, truly, unequivocally did incite violence, repeatedly. And people have died as a direct result of the fatwa that Yusuf endorsed. And what do liberals do? They CHEER the guy!!!

You really don’t get it? Well for one thing people who don’t read the right wing blogs probably don’t even know that happened, and for another it happened 20 fucking years ago. You guys really crack me up, where on the one hand 20 year old comments aren’t really relevant , but when it’;s something a liberal said it’s entirely unforgivable even 20 years later no matter what. Do you really expect that kind of hypocrisy to be meaningful?

Okay, wishing death on someone is pretty serious , but 20 years later he’s still supposed to be condemned for that comment and unfit to sing peace train at a rally for sanity? Holy freaking shit, are you kidding? Does that even remotely resemble anything like fairness, or even our own justice system? I just watched Hannity and his panel do the same thing and it’s just so hateful and partisan it’s embarrassing. Snap out of it. You’ll get agreement form other blind partisans but you’ll continue to embarrass yourself for the foolishness of it with decent reasonable people.
You probably missed the part of the rally where Jon said even reasonable people can lose it sometimes and they can look back and understand they over reacted and change their mind, and their course.

Just in case you’re interested in something like fairness and reasonable judgment of another human being you might want to read through this
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_Stevens%27_comments_about_Salman_Rushdie

Providentially, they kept in one important response to a final question posed directly to me by Geoffrey Robertson QC. At the end of the debate he asked me to imagine if Salman Rushdie was taken to court in Britain and the Jury found him ‘not guilty’ of any crime – Blasphemy or otherwise – and dismissed the case, what I would do. I clearly stated that I would have to accept the decision and fully abide by the law! And that was no joke.”

Whatever Stewart did we all know he attracted twice as many people to his rally than Glenn Beck’s rally, because most of the people in this country aren’t wingnut teabaggers, most of us are sane individuals.

Stewart/Colbert rally: 215,000
Beck rally: 87,000

http://i.imgur.com/AoxXh.jpg

AnonymousFinch said:
I don’t like to accuse the Left of bad faith. I think they’re wrong, but generally speaking I assume that they are doing what they believe is best for the country. But I just can’t reconcile this with good faith. I can’t understand how anyone can look at the public record on this thug and look the other way and cheer when he stands there on stage and shouts “Peace!” What kind of peace does he want where an author can’t write a novel critical of Islam without fear of being killed (specifically, burned alive, as Yusuf recommended for Salman Rushdie)? Is that peace? Seriously?

Why is it so hard to even consider that a human being might make a statement that they later regret and don’t really emotionally support? it was 20 years ago wasn’t it? Is the sum of a person’s life and belief contained in one careless moment? He didn’t actually commit murder you know so maybe he’d not condemned for life.

You want to understand the difference between that careless statement and what Glenn Beck does? It’s that Beck is doing it now night after night , day after day, making Nazi, communist, and fascist references on the average of twice every dam show. The cumulative effect of that continuous fear and hate mongering is much more relevant than a comment made 20 years ago.

Corvax said:
Only if you subscribe to the thought that Jon Stewart’s opinion is always correct, as well as the end all be all of these kind of things.

You keep telling yourself those little fantasies if you helps you sleep better.

AnonymousFinch said:
They could have used the clip of her falsely accusing a member of Congress of having “prior notice” of the Oklahoma City bombing, no?

I don’t know what you’re talking about, but if she did, it’s probably true. If it isn’t then she probably issued a correction.

Rachel takes any notion of fair journalism in your minds to a level you can’t handle or appreciate. Meanwhile, on Fox net, they couple an image of two Republican presidents in a golf cart waving to a packed baseball stadium with “God Bless America” but there’s nothing going on here. No jingoism in mainstream media, just liberal hatred of everything holy and American. Whatever.

OK, boys, break’s over. Heads back up your asses…

AnonymousFinch said:
My God! What has the world come to?? Now, this is the next step. It’s not enough to just cheer the extremist thug who repeatedly endorsed the murder of an innocent author. Now the leftists are going to mock anyone who questions the propriety of that cheering. The crowd was wrong to cheer him; I’m wrong to question the crowd. Wow! What a downside up view of the wor

Maybe it’s possible to forgive someone for something ugly they said 20 years ago? MAybe that’s something a fair minding human being is willing to do.

Do you honestly have any idea how he feels and thinks now and how his attitudes may have changed over the past 20 years? I’m thinking you don’t and it really doesn’t matter to you , because condemning him for things he said 20 years ago helps the partisan agenda.

guys, the `rally` will be forgotten by Tuesday. Nobody will give shit about him and he can go back to sniping and being the most trusted man in America.

Now, that is an indictment of America if there ever was one.

Who cares, who is up for another rally. Make them a daily affair.

The rally for people who think Jon is a self righteous twit.
The rally for people who thinks he gives a shit
The rally for comedy central to stop banning Mohammed
The rally for people who forgot to wipe.

Hell, you could probably hit 500,000 for that one.

AnonymousFinch said:
I don’t like to accuse the Left of bad faith. I think they’re wrong, but generally speaking I assume that they are doing what they believe is best for the country. But I just can’t reconcile this with good faith. I can’t understand how anyone can look at the public record on this thug and look the other way and cheer when he stands there on stage and shouts “Peace!” What kind of peace does he want where an author can’t write a novel critical of Islam without fear of being killed (specifically, burned alive, as Yusuf recommended for Salman Rushdie)? Is that peace? Seriously?

You’re a lying, hypocritical piece of shit. I have never seen you assume anything but the absolute worst in every liberal person and idea you encounter. And Yusuf is a turncoat for our side, you fucking moron! He became a traitor to his homeland and family so he could advance the cause of universal peace and the thanks he gets for it in conservative circles is to be slandered and impugned with motives that belonged to childish upbringing he abandoned long ago. If fucking Shin Bet thinks this guy is cool, who the FUCK do you think you are to say otherwise? What special inside information do you have that negates their years and years of operational cooperation with Yusuf? Hmm? You’re an idiot on your best fucking day. Jackass!

Paul Westlake said:
Guess who isn’t in any of those montages – Rachel Maddow. You think Stewart and Colbert would have spared her if they found a clip of her spewing the same way Schultz does often and Keith does a bit less? Yeah, no. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, Rachel stands head and shoulders above the entire pack.

I just watched Maddow praising Stewart for his speech saying that while she is a liberal capital L and small l, she definitely supports the idea of You go then I go, that he used in his analogy. Right after that Lawrence of Donnell praised Stewart. I guess Keith is on his own in that group.

While on the right be prepared to hear a lot about comments Yusaf Islam made 20 years ago and other sundry foolishness.

Oh, now rallies don’t matter, eh? When we watching the right inflate Beck’s crowd to the hundreds of thusands, it was all just so it could be forgotten within a week. Sure it was. Beck is on the air four hours a day. He is the darling of the right wing, is featured in Fox programming and talked about in everyone else’s programming day and night. Yet he could must a mere 87k. Stewart/Colbert are on the air one hour a day, four days a week, and are talked about once a week in the “funnies” section of E block, and they drew nearly three times the Beck crowd.

Typical right wing rhetoric, the numbers matter, until they don’t matter anymore. Elections count, unless conservatives lose, then we want our country back. What a bunch of fucking crybabies.

CosmosDan said:
I just watched Maddow praising Stewart for his speech saying that while she is a liberal capital L and small l, she definitely supports the idea of You go then I go, that he used in his analogy. Right after that Lawrence of Donnell praised Stewart. I guess Keith is on his own in that group.

While on the right be prepared to hear a lot about comments Yusaf Islam made 20 years ago and other sundry foolishness.

Exactly. Keith has fallen victim to his own anger – which I understand, but don’t condone. Rachel is totally on an even keel. O’Donnell is still too new but I really lke what I see so far. Very bold, very self-aware. Good stuff.

Paul Westlake said:
OK, boys, break’s over. Heads back up your asses…

Oh Paul, I just busted out on that one. LOL!!

I DVRed the MSNBC lineup tonight. I love politics, but the World Series is something you watch live! ;-)

CosmosDan said:
Oh Paul, I just busted out on that one. LOL!!

:D

Paul Westlake said:
Stewart/Colbert are on the air one hour a day, four days a week, and are talked about once a week in the “funnies” section of E block, and they drew nearly three times the Beck crowd.

I don’t know if it was three times or not but thousands were turned away who went to fill up pubs and restaurants in DC because they couldn’t get in with the 200,000+ of us that were already in there. Plus there were smaller rallies in over 1000 cities WORLD WIDE. The one in Seattle had about 4000 people. This all in a little over a month since it was announced. That ought to speak to something about the truth of people getting fucking sick of the exaggerated hateful partisanship , division and extremes hyped by the media and political discourse.

CosmosDan said:
I don’t know if it was three times or not but thousands were turned away who went to fill up pubs and restaurants in DC because they couldn’t get in with the 200,000+ of us that were already in there. Plus there were smaller rallies in over 1000 cities WORLD WIDE. The one in Seattle had about 4000 people. This all in a little over a month since it was announced. That ought to speak to something about the truth of people getting fucking sick of the exaggerated hateful partisanship , division and extremes hyped by the media and political discourse.

I find the pissing match between both rallies comical. At the end of the day neither of them actually mean anything. The only thing that matters is when citizens vote on election day. Everything else is inconsequential. These rallies couldnt have possibly changed anybody’s mind on their politics and if they did shame on you.

AnyThing Too Add said:
At the expense of someones eles integrity… And that is wrong choice….

How do you mean that? Let’s be clear. There is hateful hyperbole that focuses on divisive language and serves no useful purpose in informing us or problem solving, on both sides, as clearly demonstrated in the montage offered. You may want to argue who does it more often and who is more extreme, but that was not the point being made at the time. The point is that it’s done far to often and is a failing of our media 24 hour so called news channels.

Corvax said:
I find the pissing match between both rallies comical. At the end of the day neither of them actually mean anything. The only thing that matters is when citizens vote on election day. Everything else is inconsequential. These rallies couldnt have possibly changed anybody’s mind on their politics and if they did shame on you.

I hope you don’t mind if other people find value and meaning in different things than you do

CosmosDan said:
I don’t know if it was three times or not but thousands were turned away who went to fill up pubs and restaurants in DC because they couldn’t get in with the 200,000+ of us that were already in there. Plus there were smaller rallies in over 1000 cities WORLD WIDE. The one in Seattle had about 4000 people. This all in a little over a month since it was announced. That ought to speak to something about the truth of people getting fucking sick of the exaggerated hateful partisanship , division and extremes hyped by the media and political discourse.

You better believe it. I was there with my fiancee and it was great. The crowd was awesome. Minor issues that crop up in any crowd were minimal and smoothed over quickly. The signs were hilarious! Impossible to get anywhere near the stage by the time we got there around 1pm, after dealing with serpentine lines at the metro stops, but it was worth the effort. I think a lot of people just wanted to be there in spirit, even if they didn’t get to take in much of the show. Lot’s of really smart. funny, pissed off optimists. A pretty amazing display of Americanism. First time I marched or rallied since the Iraq war protests in NYC. Same people – the sane. ;-)

Corvax said:
I find the pissing match between both rallies comical. At the end of the day neither of them actually mean anything. The only thing that matters is when citizens vote on election day. Everything else is inconsequential. These rallies couldnt have possibly changed anybody’s mind on their politics and if they did shame on you.

If everything else is inconsequential, why did the Tea Party become a story at all? You’re right that the only polls that count happen on election day, but the Tea Partiers sure as hell didn’t respect the vote in 2008. The GOP and their conservative supporters have acted as though the electorate stole the Presidency from them since Obama was elected, and now the vote is suddenly sacrosanct? If the Dems don’t lose as much as you think they will on Tuesday, will you be singing the same tune? I think not.

Paul Westlake said:
Yet he could must a mere 8

And that is why , you’ll continue to be the biggest joke on Mediaite ( aside from TRRK … maybe ) Any fair-minded reasonable human being could take one look at the photos or video of the Beck rally and know the crowd was well wellll above 87k. You are a fucking hack of the highest order.

Paul Westlake said:
Yet he could must a mere 87k.

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Paul Westlake said:
If the Dems don’t lose as much as you think they will on Tuesday, will you be singing the same tune? I think not.

I dont believe I have ever posted a prediction about the upcoming election anywhere, so I dont know how you can imply anything about me as it pertains to that.

murf said:
And that is why , you’ll continue to be the biggest joke on Mediaite ( aside from TRRK … maybe ) Any fair-minded reasonable human being could take one look at the photos or video of the Beck rally and know the crowd was well wellll above 87k. You are a fucking hack of the highest order.

87k is the only official estimate of the Beck rally. The same company estimated this Saturday at 215k.

- http://www.cbsnews.com/8301-503544_162-20021284-503544.html

Those are the facts. Any fair-minded person would take the non-partisan estimates by the same company as a good measure. Aw, poor baby. It doesn’t fit the self-aggrandizing narrative of the conservative reactionaries. Since the company was hired by CBS News, it must be a liberal plot. Sure, that’s what it is. Talk about a hack. You’re not much of a hack, but you match the description perfectly. Good grief!

Corvax said:
I dont believe I have ever posted a prediction about the upcoming election anywhere, so I dont know how you can imply anything about me as it pertains to that.

Your predictions aren’t the issue, the fact that the Tea Party and the people who support them instantly ignored the results of the 2008 election and decided to rail against government spending just when it was needed most IS the issue. You can wax poetic about how elections matter in 2010, but people of your political persuasion didn’t see things that way in November 2008. Sorry, but I find your faux civic nobility unconvincing.

Paul Westlake said:
Your predictions aren’t the issue, the fact that the Tea Party and the people who support them instantly ignored the results of the 2008 election and decided to rail against government spending just when it was needed most IS the issue. You can wax poetic about how elections matter in 2010, but people of your political persuasion didn’t see things that way in November 2008. Sorry, but I find your faux civic nobility unconvincing.

Elections matter equally every time they happen as they set the table for the future ie: future elections/decisions. 2008 didnt matter any more or less than 2010 outside of the fact maybe 2008 held more weight because it included the Presidential election.

I’m officially convinced that you people would rather be at odds with each other than have an open discussion even if it means agreeing to disagree in the end.

Who really cares about what the numbers were at the rallies? You think that makes one any more or less legit than the other?

Folks: pay attend to Covax and Paul Westlake. This is how it’s done.

bealzebubba said:
I’m officially convinced

Is that registered somewhere? ;-)

bealzebubba said:
Who really cares about what the numbers were at the rallies?

The cons did when they were “winning.” Now that the Stewart rally was bigger, it “doesn’t matter.” If you always thought none of it mattered, good for you. But, while numbers aren’t the whole story, large differences in turnout can be a bit of a message in itself.

I love a good debate… I really do. But there are some comments that so egregiously and condescendingly distort the facts, I’m not going to bother with the niceties. Most people who have dealt with me here know that much about me. I’m as big an asshole as the rest when I feel the need, but I rarely start with the personal attacks, a la notsofast and company. In this environment, unilateral disarmament is defeat. ;-)

Paul Westlake said:
If everything else is inconsequential, why did the Tea Party become a story at all?

Cable news needs something polarizing to get viewership and sell advertising.

nitsowit: “You are a massive ignoramus.”

You are a liar . . . and a thief. The material you quoted WAS NOT directly from any “commission,” as you imply. You won’t try to prove otherwise because you would REVEAL yourself as a liar and a thief if you did. I’ll do it for you.

“What did he lie about?”

His link to a newspaper article did not substantiate his claims. Among other details, he said the president was going on an expensive “pleasure trip” and implied that half the U. S. Navy and 1,600 White House personnel were going with him – even though his own linked article said the prez was going to India to meet a group of business people. john t’s link to a separate newspaper article (http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/10/27/1790701/in-india-obama-to-stay-at-site.html) proved many of Big Enema’s falsehoods. (Obama is, in fact, going on an extended trip through much of Asia.) I even suggested the possibility that Eddie’s linked article contained an honest error (I don’t think the White House has 1,600 personnel, as reported), which should give one pause. Nevertheless, he stuck with it . . .and stunk with it . . . and SUNK with it.

Big Ugghie COMPOUNDED his original lie by repeating it after john t and I both called him on it.

Bag Eddie counted on nitsowits like YOU to blindly take his word as a fellow neocon stooge. As we can all see, it worked handily.

You lift articles from right-wing sources like hotair.com. The “Civil Rights Commission” article you “borrowed” appeared at:

hotair.com/archives/2010/10/29/high-level-political-officials-interfered-in-nbpp-case-forced-withdrawal/

- and was linked to and reported on by other sites.

You either present such articles as your own or fail to reveal their provenance – as if you could utter an original thought or, God forbid, an actual FACT. Anyone with a brain (present company widely excluded) can discern this with a little effort.

You only seem to provide sources when they’re NOT from right-wing media, perhaps as a way of concealing the widespread impact of neocon media and overstate the impact of “liberal” media.

You steal entire articles outright, which is plagiarism – i.e., THEFT.

I’m glad you’re not a lib; they don’t want you. Sensible cons would think twice about their malodorous association with you, as well. You are a sycophant, a liar, a thief and a wretched waste of human flesh.

“Why is it so hard to even consider that a human being might make a statement that they later regret and don’t really emotionally support?”

Because a changeable mind is a WEAK mind! Well, maybe not. . . .

Paul W. – Maddow did, indeed, say that a congressman had prior knowledge. To her great credit, she apologized either later in the same show or the next one. She corrects her errors quickly – rather than ignoring them or stonewalling like Fakes “News” after they were caught deliberately using archive footage to “pad the crowd” at a tea party event.

Maddow’s error was inadvertent. Fakes’ “error” was purposeful and hardly unusual for them. (Maybe notsohonest could work there – unless he steals Sham Hammity’s comb).

“Typical right wing rhetoric, the numbers matter, until they don’t matter anymore.”

A right-wing bumper sticker, there. Deficit numbers didn’t matter for eight years until a Dem entered the White House.

“These rallies couldn’t have possibly changed anybody’s mind on their politics and if they did shame on you.”

Because a changeable mind . . . never mind.

I took the Sanity/Fear rally as, essentially, special programming for ComCentral – which is no knock on them! Stewart and Colbert can both be very funny. Colbert sometimes reaches ethereal heights of lunatic-right hilarity!

If the rally truly gets some of our more tightly-wound citizens to lighten up a bit it will have more than served its purpose.

“You are a fucking hack of the highest order.”

I’m hereby creating “Goddamwin’s Law”; whoever resorts to the f-bomb first loses the argument.

I don’t care who had a bigger crowd. It’s alarming that so many people showed up at Blech-h-h-h’s “Restoring My Bank Account” rally. There is merit in the observation that, despite weeks and weeks of relentless on-air pimping on Fakes “News” and in the supposedly “liberal” media, Beck’s crowd was relatively modest.

Thankfully, Lincoln was right: there are only so many gullible people.

Corvax said:
Elections matter equally every time they happen as they set the table for the future ie: future elections/decisions. 2008 didnt matter any more or less than 2010 outside of the fact maybe 2008 held more weight because it included the Presidential election.

When you made this comment…

Corvax said:
Only if you subscribe to the thought that Jon Stewart’s opinion is always correct, as well as the end all be all of these kind of things.

…I assumed you were speaking from a conservative perspective that assumes all people who like Rachel Maddow and/or Jon Stewart are incurable victims of liberal media bias. And if that’s your opinion, it’s safe to assume you’re a conservative. If you care about these issues enough to comment on Mediaite, and you’re a conservative, you probably support the Tea Party. And if you support the Tea Party, then you are supporting a movement that ignored the will of the people after the 2008 election and attempted to thwart the agenda of the duly elected President by a large majority of Americans. Correct me if I’m wrong on any of these points. But if I’m right, than any claim you make to valuing the sanctity of the vote over all other types of political expression is simply not true. If you support the Tea Party, you support a group that cares less about majority rule than about winning, and includes leaders who say they’re willing to use “second amendment remedies” to get their way in politics, and followers who agree. The sanctity of the vote? Depends on who wins to the Tea Party and their corporate bosses. That’s not democracy, it’s a temper tantrum.

And 215 thousand people just showed up on the Washington Mall to say enough is enough, lock the child in its bedroom until it cries itself to sleep already, even if it means locking Keith in his room, too. A lot of people think that’s significant. Nobody has any idea what will happen on Tuesday, but one thing is for certain, any Tea Partiers who win office are destined to disappoint their base. The Tea Party is already over, even though we may see the buses crisscrossing the country for another two years.

“I rarely start with the personal attacks, a la notsofast and company. ”

Me, either. When I call someone a liar and/or thief, I bring proof.

AnyThing Too Add said:
Stewart is good but he isn’t God… I like Stewart but his false equivalence is one of the problems with our media…. The reason there is a Keith Olbermann is because somebody had the courage to stand up and start speaking out against the illegal War in Iraq, Everyone allowed their 911 Emotions to be manipulated by the Republican Party and the Fox Propaganda Network…. Is Keith Olbermann without flaws of course not, he at times have gone a little over the top but not enough where I would lump him into a Fox News Category….

I never called Stewart god nor did I take a side. I was just trying to provide some background as to why there is friction between the two of them.

Corvax said:
Cable news needs something polarizing to get viewership and sell advertising.

Cable news or Fox News? There’s plenty out there to use to polarize the electorate, why the Tea Party? C’mon.

jrcmi said:
“I rarely start with the personal attacks, a la notsofast and company. ”

Me, either. When I call someone a liar and/or thief, I bring proof.

Exactly. But I guess it’s true, facts really do have a well-known liberal bias. No wonder it’s such a challenge for conservatives to believe in them. ;-)

Paul Westlake said:
If everything else is inconsequential, why did the Tea Party become a story at all?

Cable news needs something polarizing to get viewership and sell advertising.

Paul Westlake said:
When you made this comment…

…I assumed you were speaking from a conservative perspective that assumes all people who like Rachel Maddow and/or Jon Stewart are incurable victims of liberal media bias. And if that’s your opinion, it’s safe to assume you’re a conservative. If you care about these issues enough to comment on Mediaite, and you’re a conservative, you probably support the Tea Party. And if you support the Tea Party, then you are supporting a movement that ignored the will of the people after the 2008 election and attempted to thwart the agenda of the duly elected President by a large majority of Americans. Correct me if I’m wrong on any of these points. But if I’m right, than any claim you make to valuing the sanctity of the vote over all other types of political expression is simply not true. If you support the Tea Party, you support a group that cares less about majority rule than about winning, and includes leaders who say they’re willing to use “second amendment remedies” to get their way in politics, and followers who agree. The sanctity of the vote? Depends on who wins to the Tea Party and their corporate bosses. That’s not democracy, it’s a temper tantrum.

And 215 thousand people just showed up on the Washington Mall to say enough is enough, lock the child in its bedroom until it cries itself to sleep already, even if it means locking Keith in his room, too. A lot of people think that’s significant. Nobody has any idea what will happen on Tuesday, but one thing is for certain, any Tea Partiers who win office are destined to disappoint their base. The Tea Party is already over, even though we may see the buses crisscrossing the country for another two years.

Just because I have conservative views does not mean that I associate myself with the Tea Party. I independently have my own conservative views. I also dont watch any cable news political programming. I watch NHL hockey in the winter or I am outside in the summer. I collect my news from sites like this that are a melting pot in which I can sort out the opinions on my own. I like using sites on both sides of the aisle that provide links to articles so I dont have to find them myself. Examples such as MIchael Savage’s website I know that I am going to be pointed in the direction of conservative favored articles, media matters will most likely point me in a more liberal direction.

I love that by having conservative values I must be some kind of “tea bagger” or Fox News fanboy of some sort.

As far as your Jon Stewart comment goes I dont watch him nor have an opinion of him. I go to Comedy Central to watch South Park not collect my political news. I certainly dont watch Maddow’s programming. The extent of my cable news opinion show viewing is probably O’Reilly for a combined 20 minutes a month when a hockey game is in intermission.

I come to this website so I dont actually have to waste my time watching the cable news programs. Its like sportscenter for politics. I like the user face of this website and provides easy political discussion to cleanse my pallet when I so choose.

Paul Westlake said:
Cable news or Fox News? There’s plenty out there to use to polarize the electorate, why the Tea Party? C’mon.

Its not limited to the tea party. Pick a topic any topic on cable news. Its sensationalized and packaged to be more entertainment than information.

Corvax, you’re a wealth of contradictions. You claim to not watch cable news while simultaneously acting like a cable news expert. It’s not your “conservative values” that made me automatically lump you in with the ultra-righties around here, it was your apparent assumption that I idolized Jon Stewart, which I don’t, and which my comment did not reflect. You say you have conservative values and that’s fair enough, but if you think you’re getting a balance of information by visiting Mediaite and Savage, you’re a lot more blinded by your bias than your initial comment to me suggested I am for pointing out that Stewart’s montage didn’t include Maddow. I’m liberal, to be sure, but I drop in on redstate and wnd and bigjournalism, etc, all the time. I think they’re nuts and I don’t bother commenting because I don’t want to give them the traffic, but I check them out. If Mediaite is as far “left” as you get, you’re missing the bigger picture.

And finally, if you don’t watch Jon Stewart or have an opinion of Jon Stewart, if you don’t watch cable news, and spend most of your time outdoors or watching hockey, why the fuck were you compelled to pick out my comment for rebuttal in the first place? Seriously, dude. What the fuck? LOL

Paul Westlake said:
why the fuck were you compelled to pick out my comment for rebuttal in the first place? Seriously, dude. What the fuck? LOL

Who do you want me to pick out on this site? Royal King or his alias Iris? Ted? There is a reason I dont quote people like them, they add nothing to the discussion and are bottom feeders.

Corvax said:
Who do you want me to pick out on this site? Royal King or his alias Iris? Ted? There is a reason I dont quote people like them, they add nothing to the discussion and are bottom feeders.

OK, I get it. But that implies you expected to engage me seriously on a legitimate topic. If that’s the case, why approach me with an assumption that pigeonholes me before you’ve even allowed me to respond? I don’t mind defending my conjecture. But I do mind being expected defend opinions I don’t really have. And when that’s the starting point of the conversation, I don’t really know what you expect in return other than what you got. If you want to make a serious point about my first comment in this thread, I’ll wipe the slate clean and listen to what you have to say.

Mediaite is just more of the problem. You create fake fights between people. Olbermann’s reaction was pretty even tempered, yet this article makes it sound like he had a tantrum.

valkyrie101 said:
So, you join Colbert in not wanting to get on board the peace train, is that about it? Your analysis of Yusuf’s position on Rushdie is in error. You’re big on free speech Finch, but apparently only when it suits your politics.

I’m going to go back and find all your posts where you were tearing your hair out over John Hagee being with Beck at his rally.

valkyrie101 said:
Back to the thread, KO is correct, there is no way that the left has been spreading the fear like the right has, so equating the left and right in his video montage was not fair to the left or MSNBC.

When I flick through the channels msnbc with maddow, oberman, and mathews are the most obnoxious lie telling people on tv. They each dedicate most of their topics to Fox News because they average three times the viewers, jealous. It’s not entertaining or enjoyable for any reasonable person to listen to that garbage.

Wouldn’t their ratings increase if they stopped squabbling like little sissys all the time? Why do they Fear or care so much about Fox?

Did this weekend Comedy Channel Rally get into the Guinness Book of World Records for the biggest Comedy Show?

I’m sure the people who attended the rally found it a lot of fun, but if the rally’s main purpose was a call to rational and civil discourse, I can’t see that it has accomplished that in many of the very people who are saluting it.

It seems this Cat Stevens thing has gone on for days…

Yes. The singer formerly known as Cat Stevens joined in the fatwa against Salman Rushdie and as @AnonymousFinch remembers, there were some album burnings in protest and the thing that sticks out for me is that Natalie Merchant had a beautiful rendition of “Peace Train” on (I believe) her solo debut and she publicly announced that she wouldn’t be performing it again, nor it wouldn’t appear on future pressings.

When Yusuf took the stage, just like when his commercial used to run at night and every other time that I’ve seen him over the years, I immediately think back to the Rushdie situation and I recall the Merchant version. It’s the instinctual reaction of my mind.

I also understand that he’s rejected his previous views and my second thought after the Rushdie thing used to be whether he had done it for profit, but now the fellow seems at peace and he hasn’t stepped over the line since, nor has he killed Salman Rushdie, so I’m willing to grant him forgiveness.

So, yes. At one time for a short period, he held a position which is antithetical to everything that I believe and it will forever be in my computer as my first thought, with my second now going toward his peaceful demeanor and my third usually focusing on how it’s not really a great song.

And of course, the above chain of thought didn’t ruin the rally for me.

(Now what does any of this have to do with Keith Olbermann? I posted a swipe at his twitter nonsense to a post on Saturday night and I really wanted to file a longer diatribe about how his background helped put him on Stewart’s shitlist and makes him unwatchable, but we’re now up to almost 200 comments, which means that nobody would ever read it and it wouldn’t be worth the effort.)

Magister said:
It seems this Cat Stevens thing has gone on for days…

Yes. The singer formerly known as Cat Stevens joined in the fatwa against Salman Rushdie and as @AnonymousFinch remembers, there were some album burnings in protest and the thing that sticks out for me is that Natalie Merchant had a beautiful rendition of “Peace Train” on (I believe) her solo debut and she publicly announced that she wouldn’t be performing it again, nor it wouldn’t appear on future pressings.

When Yusuf took the stage, just like when his commercial used to run at night and every other time that I’ve seen him over the years, I immediately think back to the Rushdie situation and I recall the Merchant version. It’s the instinctual reaction of my mind.

My problem with your otherwise thoughtful analysis is Yusuf hasn’t rejected his prior views, he’s denied them. There’s a big difference between saying “I said that, and boy was I wrong” and “I never said that.” The former is an act of contrition, the latter an act of misrepresentation. The former shows regret, the latter shows deception.

And that implicates the more recent problems with Yusuf. A few years ago he was denied access to the US because he was on a terrorist watch list for donating large sums of money to “Muslim charities” than were known fronts for terrorist organizations (particularly Hamas). He has had very public connections with a number of extreme Muslim clerics who preach jihad against the US. And in 2007 when asked by the NYT whether he was willing to denounce Hamas as a terrorist organization, he refused to do so, saying the status of Hamas is a “very, very difficult question.”.

Yusuf has changed his beliefs; he’s just improved his messaging. If he comes forward and admits that he called fir Rushdie’s death, explains why we was wrong, and takes some money that would otherwise go to his “Muslim charities” and donates to the families of people who were killed by The Satanic Verses fatwa, I’ll re-buy his greatest hits album and look forward to his next tour. Until then, I ain’t cheering the thug.

I also understand that he’s rejected his previous views and my second thought after the Rushdie thing used to be whether he had done it for profit, but now the fellow seems at peace and he hasn’t stepped over the line since, nor has he killed Salman Rushdie, so I’m willing to grant him forgiveness.

So, yes. At one time for a short period, he held a position which is antithetical to everything that I believe and it will forever be in my computer as my first thought, with my second now going toward his peaceful demeanor and my third usually focusing on how it’s not really a great song.

And of course, the above chain of thought didn’t ruin the rally for me.

(Now what does any of this have to do with Keith Olbermann? I posted a swipe at his twitter nonsense to a post on Saturday night and I really wanted to file a longer diatribe about how his background helped put him on Stewart’s shitlist and makes him unwatchable, but we’re now up to almost 200 comments, which means that nobody would ever read it and it wouldn’t be worth the effort.)

Magister said:
It seems this Cat Stevens thing has gone on for days…

Yes. The singer formerly known as Cat Stevens joined in the fatwa against Salman Rushdie and as @AnonymousFinch remembers, there were some album burnings in protest and the thing that sticks out for me is that Natalie Merchant had a beautiful rendition of “Peace Train” on (I believe) her solo debut and she publicly announced that she wouldn’t be performing it again, nor it wouldn’t appear on future pressings.

When Yusuf took the stage, just like when his commercial used to run at night and every other time that I’ve seen him over the years, I immediately think back to the Rushdie situation and I recall the Merchant version. It’s the instinctual reaction of my mind.

I also understand that he’s rejected his previous views and my second thought after the Rushdie thing used to be whether he had done it for profit, but now the fellow seems at peace and he hasn’t stepped over the line since, nor has he killed Salman Rushdie, so I’m willing to grant him forgiveness.

So, yes. At one time for a short period, he held a position which is antithetical to everything that I believe and it will forever be in my computer as my first thought, with my second now going toward his peaceful demeanor and my third usually focusing on how it’s not really a great song.

And of course, the above chain of thought didn’t ruin the rally for me.

(Now what does any of this have to do with Keith Olbermann? I posted a swipe at his twitter nonsense to a post on Saturday night and I really wanted to file a longer diatribe about how his background helped put him on Stewart’s shitlist and makes him unwatchable, but we’re now up to almost 200 comments, which means that nobody would ever read it and it wouldn’t be worth the effort.)

Sorry, let me try that again.

My problem with your otherwise thoughtful analysis is that Yusuf hasn’t rejected his prior views, he’s denied them. There’s a big difference between saying “I said that, and boy was I wrong” and “I never said that.” The former is an act of contrition, the latter an act of misrepresentation. The former shows regret, the latter shows deception.

And that implicates the more recent problems with Yusuf. A few years ago he was denied access to the US because he was on a terrorist watch list for donating large sums of money to “Muslim charities” than were known fronts for terrorist organizations (particularly Hamas). He has had very public connections with a number of extreme Muslim clerics who preach jihad against the US. And in 2007 when asked by the NYT whether he was willing to denounce Hamas as a terrorist organization, he refused to do so, saying the status of Hamas is a “very, very difficult question.”

Yusuf has NOT changed his beliefs; he’s just improved his messaging. If he comes forward and admits that he called fir Rushdie’s death, explains why we was wrong, and takes some money that would otherwise go to his “Muslim charities” and donates it to the families of people who were killed by the Satanic Verses fatwa, I’ll re-buy his greatest hits album and look forward to his next tour. Until then, I ain’t cheering the thug.

GrrrlRomeo said:
jrc

A salient point.

KO has been on TDS in the past. Stewart recently did a clip montage of Keith’s more, er, EFFUSIVE moments and kidded him for it. Keith featured the Daily Show bit on his own show, admitting he should tone it down a little. KO also showed some of an SNL bit that teased him for his, well, effusiveness.

My point: these people know each other. Like other human beings, they can have differences and still like each other. If Keith was upset for Craig Kilborn as a friend, that’s understandable, but it also doesn’t mean he’ll take his annoyance out on Stewart just because HE wound up with the job.

One of my best friends is, of all things, a very conservative priest. We argue and fuss ‘n fume at each other – but our friendship is far stronger than our philosophical differences, which are profound.

“msnbc with maddow, oberman, and mathews are the most obnoxious lie telling people on tv. ”

Cite? Proof?

Rachel Maddow, PhD, Rhodes scholar, Oxford, is an honest-to-gawd academic who knows how to do research. Olbermann was a reporter and he knows how to discern facts. Matthews’ background was in government service and he knows how things work there. Maddow and KO, at least, cite their sources when they speak on particular issues. I’m not as familiar with Matthews’ show.

By contrast, Fakes “News” people seem to rely a lot on the “some say” meme; e.g., “Some say kangaroos would make great bellhops” – statements that are tossed out without any supporting evidence. Not always, but often enough to make ‘some” wonder about their commitment to documented truths.

“Why do they Fear or care so much about Fox?”

Fear? No. They, like me, must care about being LIED to. I tend to take offense when a “Fox hound” says something I know is either not true or is a mischaracterization. i refer strictly to matters of known fact, not opinions. Disagree with me? Fine – but don’t try to “snow” me.

“if the rally’s main purpose was a call to rational and civil discourse, I can’t see that it has accomplished that in many of the very people who are saluting it.”

Kudos for trying, regardless.

GrrrlRomeo said:
Mediaite is just more of the problem. You create fake fights between people. Olbermann’s reaction was pretty even tempered, yet this article makes it sound like he had a tantrum.

(This should have been at the top of my post, which started out as a response to GR.)

I love JS & Colbert…but Keith is the man. When it comes to politics – especially dealing with the ridiculous right – I would rather have a lot of serious with a dash of funny, not the other way around. Nothing at all funny about Fox, the tea party, etc. JS seems to be suffering a bit of Stockholm syndrome (even though I loved his excellent speech toward the end). Keith will NEVER kowtow to the right, ratings be damned.

jrcmi said:
Rachel Maddow, PhD, Rhodes scholar, Oxford, is an honest-to-gawd academic who knows how to do research.

Right, like when she claimed that a member of Congress had “prior notice” of the Oklahoma City bombings.

CosmosDan said:
Maybe it’s possible to forgive someone for something ugly they said 20 years ago? MAybe that’s something a fair minding human being is willing to do.

Maybe some remorse would help. Islam doesn’t have any.

Paul Westlake said:
And 215 thousand people just showed up on the Washington Mall to say enough is enough, lock the child in its bedroom until it cries itself to sleep already, even if it means locking Keith in his room, too.

Did they say that? I thought they showed up for a free concert/comedy show.

jrcmi said:
nitsowit: “You are a massive ignoramus.” You are a liar . . . and a thief. The material you quoted WAS NOT directly from any “commission,” as you imply. You won’t try to prove otherwise because you would REVEAL yourself as a liar and a thief if you did. I’ll do it for you. “What did he lie about?” His link to a newspaper article did not substantiate his claims. Among other details, he said the president was going on an expensive “pleasure trip” and implied that half the U. S. Navy and 1,600 White House personnel were going with him – even though his own linked article said the prez was going to India to meet a group of business people. john t’s link to a separate newspaper article (http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2010/10/27/1790701/in-india-obama-to-stay-at-site.html) proved many of Big Enema’s falsehoods. (Obama is, in fact, going on an extended trip through much of Asia.) I even suggested the possibility that Eddie’s linked article contained an honest error (I don’t think the White House has 1,600 personnel, as reported), which should give one pause. Nevertheless, he stuck with it . . .and stunk with it . . . and SUNK with it. Big Ugghie COMPOUNDED his original lie by repeating it after john t and I both called him on it. Bag Eddie counted on nitsowits like YOU to blindly take his word as a fellow neocon stooge. As we can all see, it worked handily. You lift articles from right-wing sources like hotair.com. The “Civil Rights Commission” article you “borrowed” appeared at: hotair.com/archives/2010/10/29/high-level-political-officials-interfered-in-nbpp-case-forced-withdrawal/ – and was linked to and reported on by other sites. You either present such articles as your own or fail to reveal their provenance – as if you could utter an original thought or, God forbid, an actual FACT. Anyone with a brain (present company widely excluded) can discern this with a little effort. You only seem to provide sources when they’re NOT from right-wing media, perhaps as a way of concealing the widespread impact of neocon media and overstate the impact of “liberal” media. You steal entire articles outright, which is plagiarism – i.e., THEFT. I’m glad you’re not a lib; they don’t want you. Sensible cons would think twice about their malodorous association with you, as well. You are a sycophant, a liar, a thief and a wretched waste of human flesh. “Why is it so hard to even consider that a human being might make a statement that they later regret and don’t really emotionally support?” Because a changeable mind is a WEAK mind! Well, maybe not. . . . Paul W. – Maddow did, indeed, say that a congressman had prior knowledge. To her great credit, she apologized either later in the same show or the next one. She corrects her errors quickly – rather than ignoring them or stonewalling like Fakes “News” after they were caught deliberately using archive footage to “pad the crowd” at a tea party event. Maddow’s error was inadvertent. Fakes’ “error” was purposeful and hardly unusual for them. (Maybe notsohonest could work there – unless he steals Sham Hammity’s comb). “Typical right wing rhetoric, the numbers matter, until they don’t matter anymore.” A right-wing bumper sticker, there. Deficit numbers didn’t matter for eight years until a Dem entered the White House. “These rallies couldn’t have possibly changed anybody’s mind on their politics and if they did shame on you.” Because a changeable mind . . . never mind. I took the Sanity/Fear rally as, essentially, special programming for ComCentral – which is no knock on them! Stewart and Colbert can both be very funny. Colbert sometimes reaches ethereal heights of lunatic-right hilarity! If the rally truly gets some of our more tightly-wound citizens to lighten up a bit it will have more than served its purpose. “You are a fucking hack of the highest order.” I’m hereby creating “Goddamwin’s Law”; whoever resorts to the f-bomb first loses the argument. I don’t care who had a bigger crowd. It’s alarming that so many people showed up at Blech-h-h-h’s “Restoring My Bank Account” rally. There is merit in the observation that, despite weeks and weeks of relentless on-air pimping on Fakes “News” and in the supposedly “liberal” media, Beck’s crowd was relatively modest. Thankfully, Lincoln was right: there are only so many gullible people.

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TfT says:
“CBS news is CORRUPT…pass the word, no accident at all.”

Get the facts:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/10/31/sarah-palin-joe-miller_n_776595.html

Facts from Huff post. LOL

Pablo said:
Maybe some remorse would help. Islam doesn’t have any.

If you say so Kreskin……….. I’m sure you know.

Jerry Landry said:
When I flick through the channels msnbc with maddow, oberman, and mathews are the most obnoxious lie telling people on tv. They each dedicate most of their topics to Fox News because they average three times the viewers, jealous. It’s not entertaining or enjoyable for any reasonable person to listen to that garbage.

Wouldn’t their ratings increase if they stopped squabbling like little sissys all the time? Why do they Fear or care so much about Fox?

They spend about 10% of their time on Fox News. You obviously don’t watch much. And Maddow doesn’t do anything remotely like your description. Hack it up righty, that hairball is getting bigger. LOL

Pablo said:
Did they say that? I thought they showed up for a free concert/comedy show.

Aw, the shitty implication that non-conservatives only care about free stuff rears its ugly head… again. Go collect your medicaid check, moocher.

By the way, yes, they did say that. I was there, and I was listening. Pay attention sometime. You might stumble upon a fact.

Pablo said:
Maybe some remorse would help. Islam doesn’t have any.

Yusuf is a million times the man you’ll ever be. He owes nothing to anyone. If anything, you owe him a debt of gratitude. Ingrate.

AnonymousFinch said:

My problem with your otherwise thoughtful analysis is that Yusuf hasn’t rejected his prior views, he’s denied them. There’s a big difference between saying “I said that, and boy was I wrong” and “I never said that.” The former is an act of contrition, the latter an act of misrepresentation. The former shows regret, the latter shows deception.

I understand the difference. I don’t understand the apparent contradictions between some of his statements but since it was all 20 years ago I don’t feel the need to condemn him for a 20 year old statement or to trash the rally for his presence there.

And that implicates the more recent problems with Yusuf. A few years ago he was denied access to the US because he was on a terrorist watch list for donating large sums of money to “Muslim charities” than were known fronts for terrorist organizations (particularly Hamas). He has had very public connections with a number of extreme Muslim clerics who preach jihad against the US. And in 2007 when asked by the NYT whether he was willing to denounce Hamas as a terrorist organization, he refused to do so, saying the status of Hamas is a “very, very difficult question.”

Because Hamas is more than just it’s military branch. We make demands about what we want to hear from Muslims about certain people and groups but we rarely seem willing to listen to them about the actions of Israel and our own deeds in the Middle East.

Cecelia said:
I’m sure the people who attended the rally found it a lot of fun, but if the rally’s main purpose was a call to rational and civil discourse, I can’t see that it has accomplished that in many of the very people who are saluting it.

It’s not a pill that has an instant affect. I think it requires an ongoing extended effort.

Paul Westlake said:
You better believe it. I was there with my fiancee and it was great. The crowd was awesome. Minor issues that crop up in any crowd were minimal and smoothed over quickly. The signs were hilarious! Impossible to get anywhere near the stage by the time we got there around 1pm, after dealing with serpentine lines at the metro stops, but it was worth the effort. I think a lot of people just wanted to be there in spirit, even if they didn’t get to take in much of the show. Lot’s of really smart. funny, pissed off optimists. A pretty amazing display of Americanism. First time I marched or rallied since the Iraq war protests in NYC. Same people – the sane. ;-)

It was a great thing to be a part of. Glad I went. Didn’t bump into anybody from the web, not surprising in that crowd but it would have been fun to do so.

“Anytime you hear a lib try to discuss the JFK assassination, it is a word- for-word recitation of the lies from Stone’s movie.”

Yep, the left-wing Commie fanatic Oswald who may have been a backup to mafia-paid hitmen actually tried and almost succeeded in shooting a right-wing ret’d general a few days before he killed JFK. But cokehead Stone and the Hollyweird shitheads like Damon and baby-Sean Penn have their heads in their own asses, breathing their own farts without dilution from the outside atmosphere. Alinsky and the Commie leftist in the USSR had it all over Goebbels, who was a second-rate propagandist compared to these traitors.

“msnbc with maddow, oberman, and mathews are the most obnoxious lie telling people on tv. ”

Thank you for the truest observation on this particular thread today…! Maddow never puts the conservative side in any perspective and Olbermann is one long ridiculous rant with only ultra-left kiss-ups on his unwatched program [compared to Sean & O'Reilly---Greta is a half-wit].

A PhD from Oxford can be obtained by memorizing Bukharin’s “The ABC of Communism” which Nikolai wrote before being the millionth victim of Stalin’s Party Purge in the late ’30s. Maddow is simply a Marxist, pure and simple, while Olbermann is suffering from some sort of megalomania and is a sick psycho like Stalin. Matthews is an under-educated Irish cop who knows which side his bread is buttered on, but occasionally forgots to stay with the program. He’s a low IQ dude with occasional flashes of common sense interlarded with the latest Marxist party line info from his Oval Office minders. I worked in two Dem presidential races on their national staff and know how feebleminded the leftist lemmings are.

“Yusuf is a million times the man you’ll ever be. ” How do you know Pablo, shithead? Westlake has all the sure-fire arrogance and infinite stupidity of a born retarded liberal, morally and ethically retarded even if occasionally an idiot-savant like the Rain Man on crack or good coke…!

David, you’re a fear-mongering sophist with nothing but obsolete talking points. You have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about whatsoever. I know potted plants with more insight into political science. What a joke.

David Mangan said:
“Yusuf is a million times the man you’ll ever be. ” How do you know Pablo, shithead? Westlake has all the sure-fire arrogance and infinite stupidity of a born retarded liberal, morally and ethically retarded even if occasionally an idiot-savant like the Rain Man on crack or good coke…!

Thanks for proving my point before I even made it, moron. You should try having your brains scooped out, might help.

jrcmi said:
A salient point.

KO has been on TDS in the past. Stewart recently did a clip montage of Keith’s more, er, EFFUSIVE moments and kidded him for it. Keith featured the Daily Show bit on his own show, admitting he should tone it down a little. KO also showed some of an SNL bit that teased him for his, well, effusiveness.

My point: these people know each other. Like other human beings, they can have differences and still like each other. If Keith was upset for Craig Kilborn as a friend, that’s understandable, but it also doesn’t mean he’ll take his annoyance out on Stewart just because HE wound up with the job.

One of my best friends is, of all things, a very conservative priest. We argue and fuss ‘n fume at each other – but our friendship is far stronger than our philosophical differences, which are profound.

“msnbc with maddow, oberman, and mathews are the most obnoxious lie telling people on tv. ”

Cite? Proof?

Rachel Maddow, PhD, Rhodes scholar, Oxford, is an honest-to-gawd academic who knows how to do research. Olbermann was a reporter and he knows how to discern facts. Matthews’ background was in government service and he knows how things work there. Maddow and KO, at least, cite their sources when they speak on particular issues. I’m not as familiar with Matthews’ show.

By contrast, Fakes “News” people seem to rely a lot on the “some say” meme; e.g., “Some say kangaroos would make great bellhops” – statements that are tossed out without any supporting evidence. Not always, but often enough to make ’some” wonder about their commitment to documented truths.

“Why do they Fear or care so much about Fox?”

Fear? No. They, like me, must care about being LIED to. I tend to take offense when a “Fox hound” says something I know is either not true or is a mischaracterization. i refer strictly to matters of known fact, not opinions. Disagree with me? Fine – but don’t try to “snow” me.

“if the rally’s main purpose was a call to rational and civil discourse, I can’t see that it has accomplished that in many of the very people who are saluting it.”

Kudos for trying, regardless.

So you’re trying to tell us how smart these liberals are?

In case you missed it, the math is not in your favor:

smart * wrong = wrong.

Liberalism always ends up hurting people over time so it’s wrong. The fact that some smart people embrace liberalism just means they are wrong too. Maybe the smarter ones are wrong sooner?

Alz says:
“Liberalism always ends up hurting people over time so it’s wrong.”

Social security hurts people? Unemployment insurance hurts people? Anti-trust regulations hurt people? The Civil Rights Act of 1964 hurt people? I could go on for an hour.

Alz, you’re not even close to being correct with this baseless assertion. Have any more FoxPAC/Limbaugh lies to share with us?

Don’t bother; we’re sick of the deceit that comes from you and your ilk.

Jerry Landry says:
“When I flick through the channels msnbc with maddow, oberman, and mathews are the most obnoxious lie telling people on tv.”

Either you don’t ever watch Beck, or if you do watch Beck, then you actually believes the utter nonsense that comes out of his mouth. If your beliefs are in line with Beck’s (totally unreal), then yes, what Olbermann and Maddow say will seem to you like lies.

Actually, Maddow is human and errors from time to time. She’s also a journalist, so she later corrects her mistakes. Beck, on the other hand, has entire narratives that are sprinkled with a few facts to make them seem real, and NEVER comes back and corrects his false claims.

I know that rational explanation won’t penetrate. I try to get through to Beckerheads when they chase me to FB to claim how wonderful their hero, the liar, hypocrite and fraud, Glenn Beck is. I can’t get through. FoxPAC, and especially Beck, have created an alternative, unreal understanding of our world. That’s why we need a centrist rally to call for sanity, to show how we really cooperate in real life every day.

Then we get biased, extremist observations like: Pablo says, “Did they say that? I thought they showed up for a free concert/comedy show.”

Of course, Pablo doesn’t know why 215,000 people went to the National Mall, but spouting off makes him a proud reactionary.

I hope Obermann takes time to read some of this: he needs to calm down his rhetoric and stop saying things that he knows to be untrue. When he calls O’Donnell a “witch,” he knows damn well that she USED TO BE a witch. When he says that she IS a witch, it puts him in the same category –ARE YOU READING THIS OLBERMANN? — as Glenn Beck who claims that Van Jones is a Communist. I don’t know if Beck does know whether Van Jones is an EX-Communist or not; but he still makes that false claim. It’s still a lie.

If Olbermann doesn’t want to be thrown in with the crazies, then he needs to discipline himself. He can’t act, or tweet, like no one is watching.

http://www.olbermannwatch.com/

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GlennBeckReview said:
Alz says:
“Liberalism always ends up hurting people over time so it’s wrong.”

Social security hurts people? Unemployment insurance hurts people? Anti-trust regulations hurt people? The Civil Rights Act of 1964 hurt people? I could go on for an hour.

Alz, you’re not even close to being correct with this baseless assertion. Have any more FoxPAC/Limbaugh lies to share with us?

Don’t bother; we’re sick of the deceit that comes from you and your ilk.

You’re leaving out information that it seems all liberals leave out:

1) Liberalism creates dependency
2) Liberalism is unaffordable – liberals just ignore budgets

As for the Civil Rights Act, remember, it was the Democrats who voted against it, including Gore’s Dad! Republicans voted for it.

Unemployment insurance is okay as long as it doesn’t create dependency and as long as we can afford it.

See, now that’s too hard for you to grasp – is it?

GlennBeckReview said:
Jerry Landry says:
“When I flick through the channels msnbc with maddow, oberman, and mathews are the most obnoxious lie telling people on tv.”

Yes Jerry, from a normal person’s point of view, those MSNBC people are simply wrong.

BUT, from a Modern Liberal/Progressive belief system, those people are good.

The problem is liberalism ends up hurting people over time so the MSNBC viewpoints are mostly wrong.

He did not jump the shark, he brought reasonable Americans together, ie, united Americans. Inspired by the rally, I want to keep the ball roling. Please help by checking out The Movement to Restore Unity Facebook page I created. Here is the link: http://www.facebook.com/twitter/#!/pages/The-Movement-to-Restore-Unity/169072223119070

On October 30, 2010, I witnessed a profound moment in the history of America. What may have started out as a joke turned into a pivotal moment in the healing of American divisions. Hundreds of thousands of people gathered on Washington in support, not so much of a couple comedians, but in support of their country. They came determined to present the best part of us despite logistical and probably financial difficulties. They came to show the side of America that still has civility and a sense of humor. They came to reconnect with other Americans who want to see things “taken down a notch” and restored to the untied country we have been and can be again.

The experience was enjoyable, enlightening, inspiring, and most of all healing. The healing will spread. It must spread. Deep down it is what all Americans truly want; a strong, united country. Our country has faced many challenges; we have always prevailed and we will again. This is what makes our country great. The sense of greatness is so pervasive in the heart of Americans that we know no other way to be. Yes, we have fallen into a crevice of confusion, frustration, and division, but this problem is an opportunity to learn about ourselves and what we are capable of. Just as we united after September 11th, and the world united around, us we can come back even stronger than before.

I walked away from The Rally to Restore Sanity not wanting it to end. I walked away feeling better, feeling inspired, and most of all feeling empowered to keep the ball rolling. The unity I felt among my fellow Americans in our countries capitol is what we all need to feel, to heal, and to get our country back on track. Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert got things started. I want to do my part to keep the ball rolling. Please help me with The Movement to Restore Unity, for unity will bring us back to sanity, after all we all know, united we stand, divided we fall.

Alz said:
1) Liberalism creates dependency
2) Liberalism is unaffordable – liberals just ignore budgets

That’s a lie and you know it. Reagan exploded the deficit, Bush Sr. blew it up even more. Clinton wiped it out and delivered a surplus. W wiped out the surplus and gave us the biggest deficit in history. Obama has added 20% of the total in emergency spending, and his biggest agenda item is slated to reduce the deficit by $100m over ten years. Bush put his biggest ticket items off-budget – Afghanistan, Iraq, prescription drug benefit. The entire arc of history proves conclusively that Republicans are lying sacks of shit when it comes to budget discipline. Even Donald Trump says the Democrats handle the economy better. You can preach your platitudes all day long, but lies are lies and truth is truth and people with brains can tell the difference.

Alz said:
As for the Civil Rights Act, remember, it was the Democrats who voted against it, including Gore’s Dad! Republicans voted for it.

You really don’t know anything about American history at all, do you? What’s next, Republicans aren’t bigots for wanting to treat gays as second class citizens because Lincoln emancipated the slaves? You really need to stop sniffing glue, you don’t have many brain cells left!

Alz said:
liberalism ends up hurting people over time

No it doesn’t. Liberalism literally created the United States. Conservatives back then were called “Tories” and they sided with the British. And they’ve been siding against the American Dream ever since. Liberals brought medicare, medicaid, social security, the Erie Canal, the National Park system, and on and on and on. Conservatives brought outsourcing, off-shoring, tax sheltering, deregulation, union busting, and mythologies about family farms being lost to the estate tax (it has never happened one single time in America – not once!). Liberalism ends up exalting people over time, conservatism is just a death trap for everyone but the well-connected. You can make up your own mind, but not your own facts. Deal with it.

Paul Westlake said:
No it doesn’t. Liberalism literally created the United States. Conservatives back then were called “Tories” and they sided with the British. And they’ve been siding against the American Dream ever since. Liberals brought medicare, medicaid, social security, the Erie Canal, the National Park system, and on and on and on. Conservatives brought outsourcing, off-shoring, tax sheltering, deregulation, union busting, and mythologies about family farms being lost to the estate tax (it has never happened one single time in America – not once!). Liberalism ends up exalting people over time, conservatism is just a death trap for everyone but the well-connected. You can make up your own mind, but not your own facts. Deal with it.

Dud, our Founders were Conservative: limited government and individual freedom.

Liberalism IN BOTH PARTIES has brought pain and unsustainability. Liberals dream up ideas to make people dependent AND they never figure out how to pay for the programs.

This is why the Tea party ideas are growing. it’s people trying to get around BOTH parties and move back to our roots.

Paul Westlake said:
That’s a lie and you know it. Reagan exploded the deficit, Bush Sr. blew it up even more. Clinton wiped it out and delivered a surplus. W wiped out the surplus and gave us the biggest deficit in history. Obama has added 20% of the total in emergency spending, and his biggest agenda item is slated to reduce the deficit by $100m over ten years. Bush put his biggest ticket items off-budget – Afghanistan, Iraq, prescription drug benefit. The entire arc of history proves conclusively that Republicans are lying sacks of shit when it comes to budget discipline. Even Donald Trump says the Democrats handle the economy better. You can preach your platitudes all day long, but lies are lies and truth is truth and people with brains can tell the difference.

You really don’t know anything about American history at all, do you? What’s next, Republicans aren’t bigots for wanting to treat gays as second class citizens because Lincoln emancipated the slaves? You really need to stop sniffing glue, you don’t have many brain cells left!

Yes, Reagan exploded the deficit, but it was way down by the time he left – still big, but down. Obama is spending, spending and spending. So did Bush.

As i said, this is why the Tea Party is growing – it’s to stop the liberalism in BOTH parties.

Christine Tuttle said:
He did not jump the shark, he brought reasonable Americans together, ie, united Americans. Inspired by the rally, I want to keep the ball roling. Please help by checking out The Movement to Restore Unity Facebook page I created. Here is the link: http://www.facebook.com/twitter/#!/pages/The-Movement-to-Restore-Unity/169072223119070

On October 30, 2010, I witnessed a profound moment in the history of America. What may have started out as a joke turned into a pivotal moment in the healing of American divisions. Hundreds of thousands of people gathered on Washington in support, not so much of a couple comedians, but in support of their country. They came determined to present the best part of us despite logistical and probably financial difficulties. They came to show the side of America that still has civility and a sense of humor. They came to reconnect with other Americans who want to see things “taken down a notch” and restored to the untied country we have been and can be again.

The experience was enjoyable, enlightening, inspiring, and most of all healing. The healing will spread. It must spread. Deep down it is what all Americans truly want; a strong, united country. Our country has faced many challenges; we have always prevailed and we will again. This is what makes our country great. The sense of greatness is so pervasive in the heart of Americans that we know no other way to be. Yes, we have fallen into a crevice of confusion, frustration, and division, but this problem is an opportunity to learn about ourselves and what we are capable of. Just as we united after September 11th, and the world united around, us we can come back even stronger than before.

I walked away from The Rally to Restore Sanity not wanting it to end. I walked away feeling better, feeling inspired, and most of all feeling empowered to keep the ball rolling. The unity I felt among my fellow Americans in our countries capitol is what we all need to feel, to heal, and to get our country back on track. Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert got things started. I want to do my part to keep the ball rolling. Please help me with The Movement to Restore Unity, for unity will bring us back to sanity, after all we all know, united we stand, divided we fall.

The problem is Stewart is on the wrong side. Liberalism always ends up hurting people over time – despite the stated intentions.

The correct approach is to move back to the Constitution and force us all to make changes through the provided mechanisms – Amendments. This way, we will all think about what we are doing and it is mor elikely that we will say so to ideas that we can’t afford. This will kill some good programs, but if we don’t have a fiscally sound country, does it matter?

I’m sure the rally was inspiring, but inspiring to what? We have some major problems that need solving. Liberalism is not up to the task because liberalism generally creates more problems.

We have to go back to our roots. It’s the only way.

Alz said:
our Founders were Conservative: limited government and individual freedom.

Totally, 100% ass backwards. They were liberals fighting against the entrenched powers of wealth and privilege wielded by the aristocracy in both government and commerce. The Tea Party was as much a protest against corporate power as it was against the crown. The people who supported the British Empire were the Tories, who were the conservatives of their day. Conservative means “don’t change the system.” The system was Britain. They didn’t want the upheaval that came with making demands that would lead to war. Conservatives are the nostalgia police – the only “change” they ever want to see is the one that takes the country back to some imagined glory time that never really existed. Which you illustrate perfectly when you say…

Alz said:
This is why the Tea party ideas are growing. it’s people trying to get around BOTH parties and move back to our roots.

The “Tea Party” WAS growing. It plateaued a while ago now. By the way, social security works, is solvent through 2037, and is easily paid for beyond that with minor adjustments. Medicare has become a problem because parts C and D have been structured around making insurance companies rich. If we cut out the middleman, we’d fix the whole problem much more easily – same obviously goes for the entire health care industry. But who insisted on keeping the insurance companies in the loop? Yep, conservatives having a hissy fit over “soooooocialism oooooooohh.”

Alz said:
Yes, Reagan exploded the deficit, but it was way down by the time he left – still big, but down. Obama is spending, spending and spending. So did Bush.

As i said, this is why the Tea Party is growing – it’s to stop the liberalism in BOTH parties.

Spending does not equal liberalism. Just because it qualifies as “spending,” doesn’t mean it’s a liberal policy. Two unnecessary wars is far from liberal. Massive subsidies for big oil is far from liberal. And slashing revenue in the form of massive tax cuts for the already massively wealthy, who could already create dozens of new companies if they wanted to but don’t, with or without the tax cut, is far, far from liberal. In fact, liberals understand that taxing idle wealth while giving write-offs for investments in start-ups is the best way to inject idle wealth into the economy. There is a price for the convenience of minted currency with the backing of government edict, financed by the people, and that is the right of the financiers, the people, to demand that the currency and financial apparatus we all benefit from, be designed to benefit more, rather than less, of the population.

That’s liberal, and I’m proud to stand behind that principle, because the better the design, the more wealth is created for all of us, even the wealthy. Get that, the wealthy get even wealthier under liberal policy than they do under the conservative policies designed to favor their interests. Why? Because the wealth comes from the people, and when the system squeezes the people, it hurts the entire economy, as we saw when GNP dropped in 2008 for the first time since 1949. The wealthy will always get wealthier, no matter what types of policy we put in place. What matters is HOW they get wealthy. The more the system is designed to reward investment in emerging business, the more dynamic and wealthy the economy is overall. And the higher tax receipts from idle wealth that sits on the sidelines can always be put to good use.

There is no comparison between colonial America and today. Nor is there a good comparison between today’s economy and any part of American history prior to WWI, when we started to enter the global industrial age. Post-WWII is the modern American economy, built on manufacturing, the leftover of war, and the constant construction, addition, upgrade and maintenance of infrastructure. The post-manufacturing age began with Reagan, and the results have been devastating. America, once the most powerful industrial engine in the world, has been reduced to an importer nation for half or more of its staple goods. The manufacturing economy has been converted to a consumption economy, but without the manufacturing base to prop it up, the economy has slowly shed its ability to provide the ever-rising tide of living-wage jobs and new business opportunities. We still have the most productive and resilient workforce on the planet, which is why we’ve lasted this long, but if we don’t get back on a liberal economic track with the American economy soon, nothing else will matter. And if you think what Obama has done so far is truly getting us back to the type of economy that makes all great nations great, you don’t know what a truly liberal economic agenda really looks like. He’s barely liberal by many standards, but if the stimulus had been twice as large and allocated all the money that went to tax cuts on infrastructure, unemployment would be hovering around 7% or less right now and new businesses of all types would be cropping up to service the new projects and the networks they leave behind.

But ooohhh, soooocialism. I get it. OK, just felt like writing that. I’ll go back to sniping at your sophistry with snarky pellets again later. ;-)

AnonymousFinch said:
Right, like when she claimed that a member of Congress had “prior notice” of the Oklahoma City bombings.

As I noted in another thread, she corrected herself on-air either during that show or on her next one.

Compared to literally THOUSANDS of deliberate lies from Fakes “News,” that’s all you got? Sad.

Big Enema: “Caught early , rabies in humans is quite treatable .”

Caught in multiple lies, that’s all you got? Unsurprising.

CosmosDan said:
If you say so Kreskin……….. I’m sure you know.

Based on his vast knowledge of their culture . . . more likely “HALF-vast.”

“A PhD from Oxford can be obtained by memorizing Bukharin’s “The ABC of Communism” ”

You can’t knock down Maddow, so you (try to) knock down OXFORD?

I dread potential neocon control of our educational system if rocket scientists like YOU take the wheel. Your, er, “unique” psychological insights into MSNBC hosts say more about your OWN mental difficulties than any THEY might have.

“Liberalism always ends up hurting people over time so it’s wrong. ”

MORE profound insights. I have seen the light . . . shining through your skull.

“1) Liberalism creates dependency”

It helps people improve themselves. Public education, public health and assistance to those in need produces better people and a better country.

“2) Liberalism is unaffordable – liberals just ignore budgets”

“Deficits don’t matter.” – Dick Cheney

“As for the Civil Rights Act, remember, it was the Democrats who voted against it, including Gore’s Dad! Republicans voted for it.”

Ridiculous. Yes, Gore, Sr. may have voted against his own party’s legislation, but the DEMS controlled Congress and passed this law. Your attempt at revisionist history makes you at least as big a liar as fellow neocon stooges nitsowit and Big Enema. Enjoy the company.

Paul W.: We’re are wasting our time on “Alz-heimer,” I’m afraid. It’s so sad that reasonable and thoughtful cons are in such short supply, here. We appear to get the desperate, deluded and discarded ones.

Even so, kudos for exceptionally well-informed and pertinent responses.

Paul Westlake said:
Totally, 100% ass backwards. They were liberals fighting against the entrenched powers of wealth and privilege wielded by the aristocracy in both government and commerce.

Sorry, you dufus, the Founders WERE the wealthy and privileged! These people had much to lose and they stuck their necks out. They could have sat back and lived happily ever after, but they decided to fight.

And some of them lived near British strongholds.

It’s amazing how you liberals instantly adapt your facts to match your preconceived notions.

The Founders WERE NOT overly wealthy. They were, at best, upper middle-class. Many were from far more meager circumstances. The real wealth was held back in England.

Alz said:
“1) Liberalism creates dependency
2) Liberalism is unaffordable – liberals just ignore budgets”

Paul Westlake says:
“That’s a lie and you know it.”

I don’t think most reactionaries do know that their delusions are not false. FoxPAC and other right wing media have created a myth building reality that convinces people that deregulation (for example) is good for Main St.

Eventually, people will figure out that corporations are out for one thing: their profits, everything else be damned.

The top tax rate needs to go up. That’s a fact of history:
http://www.sharethisurlaboutglennbeck.com/2010/10/vote-you-cast-may-bite-you-in-ass.html

Alz said:
Sorry, you dufus, the Founders WERE the wealthy and privileged! These people had much to lose and they stuck their necks out. They could have sat back and lived happily ever after, but they decided to fight.

And some of them lived near British strongholds.

It’s amazing how you liberals instantly adapt your facts to match your preconceived notions.

Dude, their status in society didn’t dictate their policies. There are plenty of rich liberals around and always have been in America. But their power paled in comparison to both the crown and the corporate monopolies, which was why they threw the tea in Boston harbor in the first place. And as they crafted our new nation, they deliberately created multiple layers of checks and balances to not only control government power, but private power, as well. Those are the facts. And the constitution is the proof. Even with conservative elements around (slavers), they created mechanisms for slavery’s ultimate demise. They just didn’t predict that the conservatives would be so violent about it. Conservatives have mostly been a drag on American progress since its founding. Conservatives don’t DO radical progressive change like a revolution to establish a new nation. Conservatives like things as they are, or “used to be,” and the closest thing we’ll ever see to a true conservative “revolution” is exactly what just happened last night – the Republicans that were elected ALL represent entrenched corporate interests, to a person. When the conservatives revolt, nations get thrown back whole centuries at a time. When liberals revolt, whole nations are born. That’s the reality. If you can argue me down without just calling me names, I’d LOVE to hear what you have to say. Seriously. My notions are based on the historical record. What part of the historical record are your ideas based on?

GlennBeckReview said:
I don’t think most reactionaries do know that their delusions are not false. FoxPAC and other right wing media have created a myth building reality that convinces people that deregulation (for example) is good for Main St.

Eventually, people will figure out that corporations are out for one thing: their profits, everything else be damned.

I agree. Some people are uneducated and don’t read outside their chosen ideology, except in settings like this, and their arguments show it. But some have just enough nuance to know they’re on thin ice. I have to be honest, if McCain had won, the failed supply-side ideology would be that much more obvious right now. Obama came along just in time to catch all the blame…

- http://www.thepresidentialcandidates.us/thanks-for-blaming-it-on-the-black-guy/1223/

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